University to suspend Caerleon courses next year

COURSES SUSPENDED: Caerleon campus

COURSES SUSPENDED: Caerleon campus

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UNIVERSITY chiefs are to suspend recruitment to English and history courses based at Caerleon this year due to the low number of people signing up.

Following accusations by a Newport church leader that the courses were being axed, a spokeswoman for the University of South Wales revealed that the decision to suspend recruitment to the two courses had been based on applicant numbers and the desire to provide "a high quality student experience".

She did not comment on claims that education and sports courses were following suit, but said that new psychology courses at Caerleon have been introduced to attract more students.

She said: "For courses to provide the best experience for students, cohorts need to be more substantial than the numbers that have applied for 2014 entry [to English and history].

"The decision to suspend is therefore part of normal university business which regularly sees it open new courses and close others to reflect changing patterns of student demand.

"Students already studying on these courses at Caerleon will be able to continue their studies at their existing campus."

Newport church leader, and prospective Liberal Democrat parliamentary candidate Paul Halliday, told the Argus today that he has written to education minister Huw Lewis and the chairman of the university's board of governors, Andrew Wilkinson, over reports he says he's received from students that courses were being taken away from Caerleon, and that the campus was being "closed by stealth".

In response the university's spokeswoman said their "commitment to a sustainable university in Newport is absolutely unchanged" but said the university's estate is being assessed.

She said: "We recognise its importance to the regeneration of the city and the future of the region, and we see the university as a huge part of that.

"In common with the whole higher education sector, the university operates in a hugely competitive market, but no decisions have been taken on the university estate in the long term, and we are now carefully assessing, from the evidence, what the future shape of that estate should be."

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3:15pm Mon 9 Jun 14

KarloMarko says...

Goodbye Caerleon then as we circle the wagons of dying academe and notch the VPs salary and pension up to "world class" levels. Cos they're worth it...

Nice bit of develoment land for Terry Mathews though...shame all the golf balls would end up in the river.
Goodbye Caerleon then as we circle the wagons of dying academe and notch the VPs salary and pension up to "world class" levels. Cos they're worth it... Nice bit of develoment land for Terry Mathews though...shame all the golf balls would end up in the river. KarloMarko
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7:42pm Mon 9 Jun 14

artsfan says...

KarloMarko wrote:
Goodbye Caerleon then as we circle the wagons of dying academe and notch the VPs salary and pension up to "world class" levels. Cos they're worth it...

Nice bit of develoment land for Terry Mathews though...shame all the golf balls would end up in the river.
Am KarloMarko #1 fan now after this post :)
[quote][p][bold]KarloMarko[/bold] wrote: Goodbye Caerleon then as we circle the wagons of dying academe and notch the VPs salary and pension up to "world class" levels. Cos they're worth it... Nice bit of develoment land for Terry Mathews though...shame all the golf balls would end up in the river.[/p][/quote]Am KarloMarko #1 fan now after this post :) artsfan
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11:08pm Mon 9 Jun 14

PaulHalliday says...

I like how they use the term 'sustainable' they also haven't committed to the campus. Questions still need to be answered.
I like how they use the term 'sustainable' they also haven't committed to the campus. Questions still need to be answered. PaulHalliday
  • Score: 17

12:24am Tue 10 Jun 14

displayed says...

"UNIVERSITY chiefs are to suspend recruitment to English and history courses "
Youv'e gotta b joking,
The only thing the locals understand is slam and their own history, while they try to re-rite ours!
"UNIVERSITY chiefs are to suspend recruitment to English and history courses " Youv'e gotta b joking, The only thing the locals understand is slam and their own history, while they try to re-rite ours! displayed
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12:47pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Katie Re-Registered says...

I envisage a time fast approaching when all education and learning becomes 100 per cent vocational and merely a tool to serve the interests of the corporate world, where there is no place for people who can think and express themselves outside of its all encompassing workhouse.
I envisage a time fast approaching when all education and learning becomes 100 per cent vocational and merely a tool to serve the interests of the corporate world, where there is no place for people who can think and express themselves outside of its all encompassing workhouse. Katie Re-Registered
  • Score: 5

1:56pm Tue 10 Jun 14

all.at.sea says...

This really doesn't surprise me. I have just finished a BA (Hons) course at the University and have found the whole course a let down, it's as if the lecturers have lost enthusiasm and are going through the motions. There was a lack of communication from the lecturers and in several cases messages and e-mails have gone unanswered that were of important nature and related to either dissertations, projects or elements of guidance which would have been necessary for work to be produced. In the end I purchased several "For Dummy" books and taught myself as there was no help offered at all or guidance over elements of the course. I feel thoroughly dissappointed in the course and university and feel that this was something that has been in the planning for a while, even pre-merger with Glamorgan University.
This really doesn't surprise me. I have just finished a BA (Hons) course at the University and have found the whole course a let down, it's as if the lecturers have lost enthusiasm and are going through the motions. There was a lack of communication from the lecturers and in several cases messages and e-mails have gone unanswered that were of important nature and related to either dissertations, projects or elements of guidance which would have been necessary for work to be produced. In the end I purchased several "For Dummy" books and taught myself as there was no help offered at all or guidance over elements of the course. I feel thoroughly dissappointed in the course and university and feel that this was something that has been in the planning for a while, even pre-merger with Glamorgan University. all.at.sea
  • Score: 7

4:28pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Barney01 says...

I think you will find this is the first of many courses to be axed (suspended in their terms). The Caerleon Campus is being run down since the takeover (merger in their terms) and Caerleon Campus is now looking more like a ghost town. When eventually the Caerleon Campus is sold off the impact on the Caerleon Village will be massive. The loss of staff from Newport Campus (not Glamorgan) has been huge so no doubt the loss of students from Newport Campus (not Glamorgan) will follow. They may make a token gesture and keep the City Campus as goodwill but for how long! Caerleon Campus is doomed just like all staff and students who worked or studied there. Very sad decisions made for everyone locally.
I think you will find this is the first of many courses to be axed (suspended in their terms). The Caerleon Campus is being run down since the takeover (merger in their terms) and Caerleon Campus is now looking more like a ghost town. When eventually the Caerleon Campus is sold off the impact on the Caerleon Village will be massive. The loss of staff from Newport Campus (not Glamorgan) has been huge so no doubt the loss of students from Newport Campus (not Glamorgan) will follow. They may make a token gesture and keep the City Campus as goodwill but for how long! Caerleon Campus is doomed just like all staff and students who worked or studied there. Very sad decisions made for everyone locally. Barney01
  • Score: 26

4:39pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Dave on his Soapbox says...

Isn’t the restrictive covenant restricting the use of the land it is on from other uses...... lapsed or due to soon?

Also since the takeover by Glamorgan….as per the want of the WAG education minister at that time…to reduce the number of duplicated courses …… there are many course that are no longer being run in Newport…

And just like Newport City Council who are replacing many of the comprehensive schools with modern buildings…..the sale of this site just like Allt yr yn……will allow for the funding of stage 2 & 3 of the city centre campus….and further centralisation onto one site in Gwent.
Isn’t the restrictive covenant restricting the use of the land it is on from other uses...... lapsed or due to soon? Also since the takeover by Glamorgan….as per the want of the WAG education minister at that time…to reduce the number of duplicated courses …… there are many course that are no longer being run in Newport… And just like Newport City Council who are replacing many of the comprehensive schools with modern buildings…..the sale of this site just like Allt yr yn……will allow for the funding of stage 2 & 3 of the city centre campus….and further centralisation onto one site in Gwent. Dave on his Soapbox
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5:44pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Dai Rear says...

Katie Re-Registered wrote:
I envisage a time fast approaching when all education and learning becomes 100 per cent vocational and merely a tool to serve the interests of the corporate world, where there is no place for people who can think and express themselves outside of its all encompassing workhouse.
People go to Uni because they are aware of a time (mine0 when few went and a good job was guaranteed. Not so now.
I think Katie is referring to the 18th century idea of Oxford and Cambridge as an annexe to the Grand Tour. They aren't now Katie. Frankly unless you intend to follow a profession where a degree is a necessity and go to a good Uni it's pretty much a waste of your money.
[quote][p][bold]Katie Re-Registered[/bold] wrote: I envisage a time fast approaching when all education and learning becomes 100 per cent vocational and merely a tool to serve the interests of the corporate world, where there is no place for people who can think and express themselves outside of its all encompassing workhouse.[/p][/quote]People go to Uni because they are aware of a time (mine0 when few went and a good job was guaranteed. Not so now. I think Katie is referring to the 18th century idea of Oxford and Cambridge as an annexe to the Grand Tour. They aren't now Katie. Frankly unless you intend to follow a profession where a degree is a necessity and go to a good Uni it's pretty much a waste of your money. Dai Rear
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5:45pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Dai Rear says...

should be (mine) not (mine9
should be (mine) not (mine9 Dai Rear
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8:11am Wed 11 Jun 14

EyeOnWales says...

People should be more worried about the impact of this long term. The University South Wales are clearly going to abandon the Gwent/Newport regions. Where will students in this part of Wales go? The Welsh Gov and USW are going to create a massive brain drain. It's two fingers up from the authorities in Wales to the south east!
People should be more worried about the impact of this long term. The University South Wales are clearly going to abandon the Gwent/Newport regions. Where will students in this part of Wales go? The Welsh Gov and USW are going to create a massive brain drain. It's two fingers up from the authorities in Wales to the south east! EyeOnWales
  • Score: 7

9:10am Wed 11 Jun 14

Dai Rear says...

EyeOnWales wrote:
People should be more worried about the impact of this long term. The University South Wales are clearly going to abandon the Gwent/Newport regions. Where will students in this part of Wales go? The Welsh Gov and USW are going to create a massive brain drain. It's two fingers up from the authorities in Wales to the south east!
Did it occur to you that the choices made by students in "this part of Wales" might have some bearing on the subject? No? Must be "the authorities" then, mustn't it?
If it helps, my children aimed for Leeds, Plymouth, Reading & Birmingham Universities and no Welsh ones were on their list. Quite usual I think you'll find.
[quote][p][bold]EyeOnWales[/bold] wrote: People should be more worried about the impact of this long term. The University South Wales are clearly going to abandon the Gwent/Newport regions. Where will students in this part of Wales go? The Welsh Gov and USW are going to create a massive brain drain. It's two fingers up from the authorities in Wales to the south east![/p][/quote]Did it occur to you that the choices made by students in "this part of Wales" might have some bearing on the subject? No? Must be "the authorities" then, mustn't it? If it helps, my children aimed for Leeds, Plymouth, Reading & Birmingham Universities and no Welsh ones were on their list. Quite usual I think you'll find. Dai Rear
  • Score: -5

12:20pm Wed 11 Jun 14

welsh_n_proud says...

Dai Rear wrote:
EyeOnWales wrote:
People should be more worried about the impact of this long term. The University South Wales are clearly going to abandon the Gwent/Newport regions. Where will students in this part of Wales go? The Welsh Gov and USW are going to create a massive brain drain. It's two fingers up from the authorities in Wales to the south east!
Did it occur to you that the choices made by students in "this part of Wales" might have some bearing on the subject? No? Must be "the authorities" then, mustn't it?
If it helps, my children aimed for Leeds, Plymouth, Reading & Birmingham Universities and no Welsh ones were on their list. Quite usual I think you'll find.
Well that's lovely for you and your children but we're not all able to move around the country for our higher education. Some young adults need to, or want to, remain near the family home for their education. Others may have children, or disabilities, and family and friend support networks available to them in Newport which they wouldn't have if they had to go elsewhere for their education, and having to leave the area for their education would cut them off from such opportunities.

I'm just completing a Masters at Caerleon, the only reason I have been able to do the degree I wanted and needed to do to advance my career is because it was available here in Newport.

If I had had to go to Treforest or central Cardiff everyday, the travel cost alone would have made it impossible for me and thus I would not be able to restart my career after having my children. Equally, if I had to attend evening lecturers in those places, it would have made childcare a nightmare when my husband was also out for work.

It is not justified to consistently suck the life out of Caerleon, the 'slow burn' effect of gradually removing courses and reducing the number of students until the students who could still choose the study there will decide that Caerleon is not the campus for them, and then giving the excuse to close the campus completely.

HE should be spread around, not centralised in Cardiff and Pontypridd. Land may be valuable, but students' (and staff's) futures are infinitely more valuable, although they cannot be quantified as easily, and must not be discarded so easily.

There could be alternatives for Caerleon which don't involve ultimate closure (as staff at Caerleon have been told, they have less than 4 years until the campus closes permanently), such as using the facilities to offer further as well as higher education, evening courses, a tie-in with Coleg Gwent for example.

All our MPs and AMs need to take this threat seriously and DO SOMETHING to protect higher education in Newport.
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]EyeOnWales[/bold] wrote: People should be more worried about the impact of this long term. The University South Wales are clearly going to abandon the Gwent/Newport regions. Where will students in this part of Wales go? The Welsh Gov and USW are going to create a massive brain drain. It's two fingers up from the authorities in Wales to the south east![/p][/quote]Did it occur to you that the choices made by students in "this part of Wales" might have some bearing on the subject? No? Must be "the authorities" then, mustn't it? If it helps, my children aimed for Leeds, Plymouth, Reading & Birmingham Universities and no Welsh ones were on their list. Quite usual I think you'll find.[/p][/quote]Well that's lovely for you and your children but we're not all able to move around the country for our higher education. Some young adults need to, or want to, remain near the family home for their education. Others may have children, or disabilities, and family and friend support networks available to them in Newport which they wouldn't have if they had to go elsewhere for their education, and having to leave the area for their education would cut them off from such opportunities. I'm just completing a Masters at Caerleon, the only reason I have been able to do the degree I wanted and needed to do to advance my career is because it was available here in Newport. If I had had to go to Treforest or central Cardiff everyday, the travel cost alone would have made it impossible for me and thus I would not be able to restart my career after having my children. Equally, if I had to attend evening lecturers in those places, it would have made childcare a nightmare when my husband was also out for work. It is not justified to consistently suck the life out of Caerleon, the 'slow burn' effect of gradually removing courses and reducing the number of students until the students who could still choose the study there will decide that Caerleon is not the campus for them, and then giving the excuse to close the campus completely. HE should be spread around, not centralised in Cardiff and Pontypridd. Land may be valuable, but students' (and staff's) futures are infinitely more valuable, although they cannot be quantified as easily, and must not be discarded so easily. There could be alternatives for Caerleon which don't involve ultimate closure (as staff at Caerleon have been told, they have less than 4 years until the campus closes permanently), such as using the facilities to offer further as well as higher education, evening courses, a tie-in with Coleg Gwent for example. All our MPs and AMs need to take this threat seriously and DO SOMETHING to protect higher education in Newport. welsh_n_proud
  • Score: 16

12:26pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Dai Rear says...

Would you not suppose that student choice is still the main factor though and that students are influenced by what employers may think of their choice? E.g how easy would it be to get a decent job if you'd been to The University of Mid Bedfordshire (Luton Tech)?
Would you not suppose that student choice is still the main factor though and that students are influenced by what employers may think of their choice? E.g how easy would it be to get a decent job if you'd been to The University of Mid Bedfordshire (Luton Tech)? Dai Rear
  • Score: -5

10:31pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Independentvoter says...

welsh_n_proud wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
EyeOnWales wrote:
People should be more worried about the impact of this long term. The University South Wales are clearly going to abandon the Gwent/Newport regions. Where will students in this part of Wales go? The Welsh Gov and USW are going to create a massive brain drain. It's two fingers up from the authorities in Wales to the south east!
Did it occur to you that the choices made by students in "this part of Wales" might have some bearing on the subject? No? Must be "the authorities" then, mustn't it?
If it helps, my children aimed for Leeds, Plymouth, Reading & Birmingham Universities and no Welsh ones were on their list. Quite usual I think you'll find.
Well that's lovely for you and your children but we're not all able to move around the country for our higher education. Some young adults need to, or want to, remain near the family home for their education. Others may have children, or disabilities, and family and friend support networks available to them in Newport which they wouldn't have if they had to go elsewhere for their education, and having to leave the area for their education would cut them off from such opportunities.

I'm just completing a Masters at Caerleon, the only reason I have been able to do the degree I wanted and needed to do to advance my career is because it was available here in Newport.

If I had had to go to Treforest or central Cardiff everyday, the travel cost alone would have made it impossible for me and thus I would not be able to restart my career after having my children. Equally, if I had to attend evening lecturers in those places, it would have made childcare a nightmare when my husband was also out for work.

It is not justified to consistently suck the life out of Caerleon, the 'slow burn' effect of gradually removing courses and reducing the number of students until the students who could still choose the study there will decide that Caerleon is not the campus for them, and then giving the excuse to close the campus completely.

HE should be spread around, not centralised in Cardiff and Pontypridd. Land may be valuable, but students' (and staff's) futures are infinitely more valuable, although they cannot be quantified as easily, and must not be discarded so easily.

There could be alternatives for Caerleon which don't involve ultimate closure (as staff at Caerleon have been told, they have less than 4 years until the campus closes permanently), such as using the facilities to offer further as well as higher education, evening courses, a tie-in with Coleg Gwent for example.

All our MPs and AMs need to take this threat seriously and DO SOMETHING to protect higher education in Newport.
I totally disagree with what you are saying. I too speak as a student studying a law pathway for my Bachelor of Laws degree which includes studying free choice module tutorials at the campus.

Can you please enlighten me to who has been told that this campus is closing down as this is totally untrue.

Suspending a course due to lack of interest by students is a common practice in every university in the UK.

For the benefit of non-students and contributors this means that if I ran a life painting course and no one applied to study the course then I would obviously suspend the course - wouldn't you !

Good story though but it got a bit out of hand. Good try.
[quote][p][bold]welsh_n_proud[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]EyeOnWales[/bold] wrote: People should be more worried about the impact of this long term. The University South Wales are clearly going to abandon the Gwent/Newport regions. Where will students in this part of Wales go? The Welsh Gov and USW are going to create a massive brain drain. It's two fingers up from the authorities in Wales to the south east![/p][/quote]Did it occur to you that the choices made by students in "this part of Wales" might have some bearing on the subject? No? Must be "the authorities" then, mustn't it? If it helps, my children aimed for Leeds, Plymouth, Reading & Birmingham Universities and no Welsh ones were on their list. Quite usual I think you'll find.[/p][/quote]Well that's lovely for you and your children but we're not all able to move around the country for our higher education. Some young adults need to, or want to, remain near the family home for their education. Others may have children, or disabilities, and family and friend support networks available to them in Newport which they wouldn't have if they had to go elsewhere for their education, and having to leave the area for their education would cut them off from such opportunities. I'm just completing a Masters at Caerleon, the only reason I have been able to do the degree I wanted and needed to do to advance my career is because it was available here in Newport. If I had had to go to Treforest or central Cardiff everyday, the travel cost alone would have made it impossible for me and thus I would not be able to restart my career after having my children. Equally, if I had to attend evening lecturers in those places, it would have made childcare a nightmare when my husband was also out for work. It is not justified to consistently suck the life out of Caerleon, the 'slow burn' effect of gradually removing courses and reducing the number of students until the students who could still choose the study there will decide that Caerleon is not the campus for them, and then giving the excuse to close the campus completely. HE should be spread around, not centralised in Cardiff and Pontypridd. Land may be valuable, but students' (and staff's) futures are infinitely more valuable, although they cannot be quantified as easily, and must not be discarded so easily. There could be alternatives for Caerleon which don't involve ultimate closure (as staff at Caerleon have been told, they have less than 4 years until the campus closes permanently), such as using the facilities to offer further as well as higher education, evening courses, a tie-in with Coleg Gwent for example. All our MPs and AMs need to take this threat seriously and DO SOMETHING to protect higher education in Newport.[/p][/quote]I totally disagree with what you are saying. I too speak as a student studying a law pathway for my Bachelor of Laws degree which includes studying free choice module tutorials at the campus. Can you please enlighten me to who has been told that this campus is closing down as this is totally untrue. Suspending a course due to lack of interest by students is a common practice in every university in the UK. For the benefit of non-students and contributors this means that if I ran a life painting course and no one applied to study the course then I would obviously suspend the course - wouldn't you ! Good story though but it got a bit out of hand. Good try. Independentvoter
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8:28am Fri 13 Jun 14

EyeOnWales says...

Independentvoter wrote:
welsh_n_proud wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
EyeOnWales wrote:
People should be more worried about the impact of this long term. The University South Wales are clearly going to abandon the Gwent/Newport regions. Where will students in this part of Wales go? The Welsh Gov and USW are going to create a massive brain drain. It's two fingers up from the authorities in Wales to the south east!
Did it occur to you that the choices made by students in "this part of Wales" might have some bearing on the subject? No? Must be "the authorities" then, mustn't it?
If it helps, my children aimed for Leeds, Plymouth, Reading & Birmingham Universities and no Welsh ones were on their list. Quite usual I think you'll find.
Well that's lovely for you and your children but we're not all able to move around the country for our higher education. Some young adults need to, or want to, remain near the family home for their education. Others may have children, or disabilities, and family and friend support networks available to them in Newport which they wouldn't have if they had to go elsewhere for their education, and having to leave the area for their education would cut them off from such opportunities.

I'm just completing a Masters at Caerleon, the only reason I have been able to do the degree I wanted and needed to do to advance my career is because it was available here in Newport.

If I had had to go to Treforest or central Cardiff everyday, the travel cost alone would have made it impossible for me and thus I would not be able to restart my career after having my children. Equally, if I had to attend evening lecturers in those places, it would have made childcare a nightmare when my husband was also out for work.

It is not justified to consistently suck the life out of Caerleon, the 'slow burn' effect of gradually removing courses and reducing the number of students until the students who could still choose the study there will decide that Caerleon is not the campus for them, and then giving the excuse to close the campus completely.

HE should be spread around, not centralised in Cardiff and Pontypridd. Land may be valuable, but students' (and staff's) futures are infinitely more valuable, although they cannot be quantified as easily, and must not be discarded so easily.

There could be alternatives for Caerleon which don't involve ultimate closure (as staff at Caerleon have been told, they have less than 4 years until the campus closes permanently), such as using the facilities to offer further as well as higher education, evening courses, a tie-in with Coleg Gwent for example.

All our MPs and AMs need to take this threat seriously and DO SOMETHING to protect higher education in Newport.
I totally disagree with what you are saying. I too speak as a student studying a law pathway for my Bachelor of Laws degree which includes studying free choice module tutorials at the campus.

Can you please enlighten me to who has been told that this campus is closing down as this is totally untrue.

Suspending a course due to lack of interest by students is a common practice in every university in the UK.

For the benefit of non-students and contributors this means that if I ran a life painting course and no one applied to study the course then I would obviously suspend the course - wouldn't you !

Good story though but it got a bit out of hand. Good try.
Totally untrue? The demolition of buildings, the closing of courses, the sacking of large numbers of staff, the steady reduction in student numbers, culling the student union reps on the campus, and cutting the sports teams on the campus...who knows, maybe you are right, maybe they wont 'close' the campus, it's just nobody will have any reason to go there any more.

The point in all this is that no one has been told the campus is closing, as far as the powers that be are concerned, everything is business as normal, and Caerleon will of course continue to be a University Campus. But at the same time, courses are closing, with more to follow, and staff who are not sacked are being moved to Glamorgan institutions. Nobody might have said the words 'the campus is being closed', but you will need to work very hard to convince anyone, including yourself, that the truth is anything other than opposite to that statement.
[quote][p][bold]Independentvoter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welsh_n_proud[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]EyeOnWales[/bold] wrote: People should be more worried about the impact of this long term. The University South Wales are clearly going to abandon the Gwent/Newport regions. Where will students in this part of Wales go? The Welsh Gov and USW are going to create a massive brain drain. It's two fingers up from the authorities in Wales to the south east![/p][/quote]Did it occur to you that the choices made by students in "this part of Wales" might have some bearing on the subject? No? Must be "the authorities" then, mustn't it? If it helps, my children aimed for Leeds, Plymouth, Reading & Birmingham Universities and no Welsh ones were on their list. Quite usual I think you'll find.[/p][/quote]Well that's lovely for you and your children but we're not all able to move around the country for our higher education. Some young adults need to, or want to, remain near the family home for their education. Others may have children, or disabilities, and family and friend support networks available to them in Newport which they wouldn't have if they had to go elsewhere for their education, and having to leave the area for their education would cut them off from such opportunities. I'm just completing a Masters at Caerleon, the only reason I have been able to do the degree I wanted and needed to do to advance my career is because it was available here in Newport. If I had had to go to Treforest or central Cardiff everyday, the travel cost alone would have made it impossible for me and thus I would not be able to restart my career after having my children. Equally, if I had to attend evening lecturers in those places, it would have made childcare a nightmare when my husband was also out for work. It is not justified to consistently suck the life out of Caerleon, the 'slow burn' effect of gradually removing courses and reducing the number of students until the students who could still choose the study there will decide that Caerleon is not the campus for them, and then giving the excuse to close the campus completely. HE should be spread around, not centralised in Cardiff and Pontypridd. Land may be valuable, but students' (and staff's) futures are infinitely more valuable, although they cannot be quantified as easily, and must not be discarded so easily. There could be alternatives for Caerleon which don't involve ultimate closure (as staff at Caerleon have been told, they have less than 4 years until the campus closes permanently), such as using the facilities to offer further as well as higher education, evening courses, a tie-in with Coleg Gwent for example. All our MPs and AMs need to take this threat seriously and DO SOMETHING to protect higher education in Newport.[/p][/quote]I totally disagree with what you are saying. I too speak as a student studying a law pathway for my Bachelor of Laws degree which includes studying free choice module tutorials at the campus. Can you please enlighten me to who has been told that this campus is closing down as this is totally untrue. Suspending a course due to lack of interest by students is a common practice in every university in the UK. For the benefit of non-students and contributors this means that if I ran a life painting course and no one applied to study the course then I would obviously suspend the course - wouldn't you ! Good story though but it got a bit out of hand. Good try.[/p][/quote]Totally untrue? The demolition of buildings, the closing of courses, the sacking of large numbers of staff, the steady reduction in student numbers, culling the student union reps on the campus, and cutting the sports teams on the campus...who knows, maybe you are right, maybe they wont 'close' the campus, it's just nobody will have any reason to go there any more. The point in all this is that no one has been told the campus is closing, as far as the powers that be are concerned, everything is business as normal, and Caerleon will of course continue to be a University Campus. But at the same time, courses are closing, with more to follow, and staff who are not sacked are being moved to Glamorgan institutions. Nobody might have said the words 'the campus is being closed', but you will need to work very hard to convince anyone, including yourself, that the truth is anything other than opposite to that statement. EyeOnWales
  • Score: 4

9:09am Fri 13 Jun 14

Save Caerleon University says...

EyeOnWales wrote:
Independentvoter wrote:
welsh_n_proud wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
EyeOnWales wrote:
People should be more worried about the impact of this long term. The University South Wales are clearly going to abandon the Gwent/Newport regions. Where will students in this part of Wales go? The Welsh Gov and USW are going to create a massive brain drain. It's two fingers up from the authorities in Wales to the south east!
Did it occur to you that the choices made by students in "this part of Wales" might have some bearing on the subject? No? Must be "the authorities" then, mustn't it?
If it helps, my children aimed for Leeds, Plymouth, Reading & Birmingham Universities and no Welsh ones were on their list. Quite usual I think you'll find.
Well that's lovely for you and your children but we're not all able to move around the country for our higher education. Some young adults need to, or want to, remain near the family home for their education. Others may have children, or disabilities, and family and friend support networks available to them in Newport which they wouldn't have if they had to go elsewhere for their education, and having to leave the area for their education would cut them off from such opportunities.

I'm just completing a Masters at Caerleon, the only reason I have been able to do the degree I wanted and needed to do to advance my career is because it was available here in Newport.

If I had had to go to Treforest or central Cardiff everyday, the travel cost alone would have made it impossible for me and thus I would not be able to restart my career after having my children. Equally, if I had to attend evening lecturers in those places, it would have made childcare a nightmare when my husband was also out for work.

It is not justified to consistently suck the life out of Caerleon, the 'slow burn' effect of gradually removing courses and reducing the number of students until the students who could still choose the study there will decide that Caerleon is not the campus for them, and then giving the excuse to close the campus completely.

HE should be spread around, not centralised in Cardiff and Pontypridd. Land may be valuable, but students' (and staff's) futures are infinitely more valuable, although they cannot be quantified as easily, and must not be discarded so easily.

There could be alternatives for Caerleon which don't involve ultimate closure (as staff at Caerleon have been told, they have less than 4 years until the campus closes permanently), such as using the facilities to offer further as well as higher education, evening courses, a tie-in with Coleg Gwent for example.

All our MPs and AMs need to take this threat seriously and DO SOMETHING to protect higher education in Newport.
I totally disagree with what you are saying. I too speak as a student studying a law pathway for my Bachelor of Laws degree which includes studying free choice module tutorials at the campus.

Can you please enlighten me to who has been told that this campus is closing down as this is totally untrue.

Suspending a course due to lack of interest by students is a common practice in every university in the UK.

For the benefit of non-students and contributors this means that if I ran a life painting course and no one applied to study the course then I would obviously suspend the course - wouldn't you !

Good story though but it got a bit out of hand. Good try.
Totally untrue? The demolition of buildings, the closing of courses, the sacking of large numbers of staff, the steady reduction in student numbers, culling the student union reps on the campus, and cutting the sports teams on the campus...who knows, maybe you are right, maybe they wont 'close' the campus, it's just nobody will have any reason to go there any more.

The point in all this is that no one has been told the campus is closing, as far as the powers that be are concerned, everything is business as normal, and Caerleon will of course continue to be a University Campus. But at the same time, courses are closing, with more to follow, and staff who are not sacked are being moved to Glamorgan institutions. Nobody might have said the words 'the campus is being closed', but you will need to work very hard to convince anyone, including yourself, that the truth is anything other than opposite to that statement.
Ref Independentvoter says...

q...Can you please enlighten me to who has been told that this campus is closing down
a...It was announced to during a staff meeting in November, by the Julie Lydon the Vice-Chancellor, that both Newport City, but particularity Caerleon was under threat due to falling numbers across the University.

q... as this is totally untrue.
a... Its still open for speculation but unfortunately not totally untrue either. My personal opinion is that they are waiting to see how they do in recruitment, and we'll hear more September

q... Suspending a course due to lack of interest by students is a common practice in every university in the UK.
a...True but not valid in this case. The history course recruited more numbers in Caerleon than the history course in Treforest, yet it is the history course in Caerleon which is being closed. It's a similar story for English. This is despite the fact that applicants to the University are being deliberately steered to the ex Glamorgan courses in preference to the Newport courses.
[quote][p][bold]EyeOnWales[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Independentvoter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welsh_n_proud[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]EyeOnWales[/bold] wrote: People should be more worried about the impact of this long term. The University South Wales are clearly going to abandon the Gwent/Newport regions. Where will students in this part of Wales go? The Welsh Gov and USW are going to create a massive brain drain. It's two fingers up from the authorities in Wales to the south east![/p][/quote]Did it occur to you that the choices made by students in "this part of Wales" might have some bearing on the subject? No? Must be "the authorities" then, mustn't it? If it helps, my children aimed for Leeds, Plymouth, Reading & Birmingham Universities and no Welsh ones were on their list. Quite usual I think you'll find.[/p][/quote]Well that's lovely for you and your children but we're not all able to move around the country for our higher education. Some young adults need to, or want to, remain near the family home for their education. Others may have children, or disabilities, and family and friend support networks available to them in Newport which they wouldn't have if they had to go elsewhere for their education, and having to leave the area for their education would cut them off from such opportunities. I'm just completing a Masters at Caerleon, the only reason I have been able to do the degree I wanted and needed to do to advance my career is because it was available here in Newport. If I had had to go to Treforest or central Cardiff everyday, the travel cost alone would have made it impossible for me and thus I would not be able to restart my career after having my children. Equally, if I had to attend evening lecturers in those places, it would have made childcare a nightmare when my husband was also out for work. It is not justified to consistently suck the life out of Caerleon, the 'slow burn' effect of gradually removing courses and reducing the number of students until the students who could still choose the study there will decide that Caerleon is not the campus for them, and then giving the excuse to close the campus completely. HE should be spread around, not centralised in Cardiff and Pontypridd. Land may be valuable, but students' (and staff's) futures are infinitely more valuable, although they cannot be quantified as easily, and must not be discarded so easily. There could be alternatives for Caerleon which don't involve ultimate closure (as staff at Caerleon have been told, they have less than 4 years until the campus closes permanently), such as using the facilities to offer further as well as higher education, evening courses, a tie-in with Coleg Gwent for example. All our MPs and AMs need to take this threat seriously and DO SOMETHING to protect higher education in Newport.[/p][/quote]I totally disagree with what you are saying. I too speak as a student studying a law pathway for my Bachelor of Laws degree which includes studying free choice module tutorials at the campus. Can you please enlighten me to who has been told that this campus is closing down as this is totally untrue. Suspending a course due to lack of interest by students is a common practice in every university in the UK. For the benefit of non-students and contributors this means that if I ran a life painting course and no one applied to study the course then I would obviously suspend the course - wouldn't you ! Good story though but it got a bit out of hand. Good try.[/p][/quote]Totally untrue? The demolition of buildings, the closing of courses, the sacking of large numbers of staff, the steady reduction in student numbers, culling the student union reps on the campus, and cutting the sports teams on the campus...who knows, maybe you are right, maybe they wont 'close' the campus, it's just nobody will have any reason to go there any more. The point in all this is that no one has been told the campus is closing, as far as the powers that be are concerned, everything is business as normal, and Caerleon will of course continue to be a University Campus. But at the same time, courses are closing, with more to follow, and staff who are not sacked are being moved to Glamorgan institutions. Nobody might have said the words 'the campus is being closed', but you will need to work very hard to convince anyone, including yourself, that the truth is anything other than opposite to that statement.[/p][/quote]Ref Independentvoter says... q...Can you please enlighten me to who has been told that this campus is closing down a...It was announced to during a staff meeting in November, by the Julie Lydon the Vice-Chancellor, that both Newport City, but particularity Caerleon was under threat due to falling numbers across the University. q... as this is totally untrue. a... Its still open for speculation but unfortunately not totally untrue either. My personal opinion is that they are waiting to see how they do in recruitment, and we'll hear more September q... Suspending a course due to lack of interest by students is a common practice in every university in the UK. a...True but not valid in this case. The history course recruited more numbers in Caerleon than the history course in Treforest, yet it is the history course in Caerleon which is being closed. It's a similar story for English. This is despite the fact that applicants to the University are being deliberately steered to the ex Glamorgan courses in preference to the Newport courses. Save Caerleon University
  • Score: 5

2:01pm Fri 13 Jun 14

Independentvoter says...

This is all news to me. I heard that one teacher handed in her notice a few weeks back - The Open University have just started fresh courses at the campus - many tutorials are on held on the weekends only. Well if this is true then they have certainly kept this one quite and I will certainly join any campaign to keep the campus open !!!!.
This is all news to me. I heard that one teacher handed in her notice a few weeks back - The Open University have just started fresh courses at the campus - many tutorials are on held on the weekends only. Well if this is true then they have certainly kept this one quite and I will certainly join any campaign to keep the campus open !!!!. Independentvoter
  • Score: 2

4:39pm Fri 13 Jun 14

Save Caerleon University says...

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  • Score: 0

9:49pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Megzd94 says...

I'm the course rep for English and I cannot even begin to express how much this has affected people I know. 3 part timers on my course now have to travel to treforest and they feel that they have bad health problems. They feel they have been discriminated against. Myself and other course reps are doing all we can try and save our courses. I feel the reason why our courses are not having enough interest from potential students is because they could be advertised better. There is a rumor going round that the campus is closing because right now it is like a ghost town, half the courses have moved and half the rooms I pass are always empty. I am upset by this as the campus is such a lovely place to study and its such a shame.
I'm the course rep for English and I cannot even begin to express how much this has affected people I know. 3 part timers on my course now have to travel to treforest and they feel that they have bad health problems. They feel they have been discriminated against. Myself and other course reps are doing all we can try and save our courses. I feel the reason why our courses are not having enough interest from potential students is because they could be advertised better. There is a rumor going round that the campus is closing because right now it is like a ghost town, half the courses have moved and half the rooms I pass are always empty. I am upset by this as the campus is such a lovely place to study and its such a shame. Megzd94
  • Score: 1

10:04pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Megzd94 says...

Sorry ment to say 3 part timers on my course now have to travel to treforest and they suffer bad health problems*
Sorry ment to say 3 part timers on my course now have to travel to treforest and they suffer bad health problems* Megzd94
  • Score: -1

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