Five options for Newport gipsy sites revealed

Five sites for Newport gipsy sites revealed

Five sites for Newport gipsy sites revealed

First published in News

FIVE potential sites for the controversial gipsy sites in Newport have been revealed.

A special committee of councillors has put forward its preferred locations in Ringland, Allt-yr-yn and Marshfield.

They include a permanent site for up to three families at the former road safety centre on Hartridge Farm Road, and a potential smaller site on the former Ringland allotments.

This was welcomed by travellers who said they were close to local services and schools, but opposed by developer St Modwyn who is concerned about the size of the site.

Brickyard Lane in Allt-yr-yn could also house up to four plots if the need arose in future.

The preferred place for a transit sites would be a yard off the A449, the committee said, which was welcomed by the travelling community who said it had good links to major roads.

Land on Celtic Way, Marshfield, was chosen as an alternative transit site if the preferred option could not be developed.

The original shortlist of 11 sites which has been whittled down to these five, caused anger among the community.

More than 7,100 comments were received by the council highlighting a total of 40,000 issues concerning an earlier shortlist of 11 sites.

Each was read and analysed by an in-house team and were considered by the group before they compiled their latest list.

A report to councillors says there was an immediate need for 17 residential plots for families already on the housing waiting list, and seven transit pitches.

A survey conducted by the Welsh Government in July found 59 caravans sited in the city - 21 on lawful sites and 38 on unauthorised ones.

Newport doesn’t have a designated Gipsy and traveller site, which breaches Welsh Government policy, and suggested encampments must be included in the authority’s Local Development Plan (LDP), which sets out how the city will be developed in the coming years.

Managed sites would help the council tackle the continuing problem of illegal encampments.

The committee's recommendation will be discussed at a meeting on Monday before being reported to cabinet, but the final decision on whether to amend or replace the five sites already identified in the deposit LDP will be made by full council in early 2013.

COMMENT: Council has no choice

THERE will be mixed reaction to Newport council’s list of preferred sites for Gipsy and traveller sites in the city.

Residents whose areas are no longer on the council’s list will be jubilant. Those council tax payers who live near the five areas earmarked to become sites will be furious and ready to extend their protests.

We understand their concerns and we have reported the depth of feeling shown at public meetings after the initial 11-strong shortlist was unveiled in September.

More than 7,000 objections were lodged with the council.

The harsh reality is that these sites have to go somewhere in Newport. The Welsh Government insists on it.

The alternative would be to see the Welsh Government failing to approve Newport’s Local Development Plan, which sets out plans for future development and land use in the city.

There will no doubt be celebrations in places like Langstone, where there were huge protests against the prospect of a Gipsy site in the vicinity, to greet its removal fromthe shortlist.

Residents in Ringland and Marshfield will not feel so happy.

We doubt if anyone would welcome a site being opened near their properties.

The council has no choice. It has to earmark residential and transit sites for Gipsies and travellers.

Now it has done so and there will be more protests to follow.

But this is remains a problem to which there is no easy solution.

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6:08pm Tue 23 Oct 12

Independentvoter says...

When the sites are finally agreed on and built, I hope that there are strict rules imposed on these sites where, if anyone from the travelling community is found guilty of stealing from local neighbourhoods or dumping illegal waste in country lanes, unruly behaviour or the theft of scrap metal, etc etc etc then they will be removed from site and banned from returning to Newport for a substantial amount of time.
When the sites are finally agreed on and built, I hope that there are strict rules imposed on these sites where, if anyone from the travelling community is found guilty of stealing from local neighbourhoods or dumping illegal waste in country lanes, unruly behaviour or the theft of scrap metal, etc etc etc then they will be removed from site and banned from returning to Newport for a substantial amount of time. Independentvoter
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6:17pm Tue 23 Oct 12

Llanmartinangel says...

Pigs might fly. Travel around the proximity of any site, official or otherwise and you'll see that they do as they want. The authorities are terrified of dealing with it. Check out Rover Way in Cardiff or the site north of Bristol.
Pigs might fly. Travel around the proximity of any site, official or otherwise and you'll see that they do as they want. The authorities are terrified of dealing with it. Check out Rover Way in Cardiff or the site north of Bristol. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: -1

6:39pm Tue 23 Oct 12

Bommaz says...

City Wildlife Care have been looking for a new premises for three years and asked for help, but nothing, The charity would be able to operate more efficiently and take on staff and carry out more education programs something like the old driving centre would be brilliant for them and the local community, maybe we should use this issue to get them some help as they do such great work and would probably pay their bills
City Wildlife Care have been looking for a new premises for three years and asked for help, but nothing, The charity would be able to operate more efficiently and take on staff and carry out more education programs something like the old driving centre would be brilliant for them and the local community, maybe we should use this issue to get them some help as they do such great work and would probably pay their bills Bommaz
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7:26pm Tue 23 Oct 12

wagtail says...

All three labour councillors in Ringland were contacted by many local residents to follow the lead set by the Langstone community,
Now I know why these so called councillors did NOTHING !!!!!
The report says a yard off the A449 is earmarked, ain't this the dual carriageway between the Coldra & Raglan.
Mr Terry Matthews v Mr Bob Bright. Any odds offered ??????
All three labour councillors in Ringland were contacted by many local residents to follow the lead set by the Langstone community, Now I know why these so called councillors did NOTHING !!!!! The report says a yard off the A449 is earmarked, ain't this the dual carriageway between the Coldra & Raglan. Mr Terry Matthews v Mr Bob Bright. Any odds offered ?????? wagtail
  • Score: 0

7:32pm Tue 23 Oct 12

VoiceOfDaPort says...

Gypsies in Marshfield? Next your be telling us they've changed from tarmacing drives to stone chipping them.
Gypsies in Marshfield? Next your be telling us they've changed from tarmacing drives to stone chipping them. VoiceOfDaPort
  • Score: 0

7:53pm Tue 23 Oct 12

Outthere says...

Can anyone answer this? Do gypsies pay Council Tax and Water Rates, if not then why is my money being used to create sites that will not be looked after and bring down the local area that they will be sited and how are they allowed to tap into the mains water. If I dont pay my Tax and Rates I will be fined and my water would be switched off. May be selling up and being a gypsie is the way forward. They seem to be better off.
Can anyone answer this? Do gypsies pay Council Tax and Water Rates, if not then why is my money being used to create sites that will not be looked after and bring down the local area that they will be sited and how are they allowed to tap into the mains water. If I dont pay my Tax and Rates I will be fined and my water would be switched off. May be selling up and being a gypsie is the way forward. They seem to be better off. Outthere
  • Score: 1

7:55pm Tue 23 Oct 12

chris227 says...

why not in a field between newport and monmouth then they can create as much noise as they want **** fight, dog fight bare knuckle fight and what ever else these people get up to. The sad thing is from experience of friends in gloucester your house becomes absolutely worthless when they set up camp next door and you cannot sell it at whatever the price.
why not in a field between newport and monmouth then they can create as much noise as they want **** fight, dog fight bare knuckle fight and what ever else these people get up to. The sad thing is from experience of friends in gloucester your house becomes absolutely worthless when they set up camp next door and you cannot sell it at whatever the price. chris227
  • Score: 0

8:08pm Tue 23 Oct 12

Magor says...

There is a council run site in Avonmouth that is always empty,send them there.
There is a council run site in Avonmouth that is always empty,send them there. Magor
  • Score: -1

8:29pm Tue 23 Oct 12

Keith Barnett says...

How come they don't nominate somewhere like Goldtops or nicer areas of Newport?
I wonder??
How come they don't nominate somewhere like Goldtops or nicer areas of Newport? I wonder?? Keith Barnett
  • Score: 0

11:58pm Tue 23 Oct 12

stanclif says...

If they are travellers why are they allowed to stay as long as they like,I am a caravanner and I am charged by the day when on a site, do they?? why not put a time limit on them ,say a month then move on like a traveller ?.
If they are travellers why are they allowed to stay as long as they like,I am a caravanner and I am charged by the day when on a site, do they?? why not put a time limit on them ,say a month then move on like a traveller ?. stanclif
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5:14am Wed 24 Oct 12

gathin says...

Well, that's authoritarian-impose
d "democracy" for you,folks.
Well, that's authoritarian-impose d "democracy" for you,folks. gathin
  • Score: 0

5:17am Wed 24 Oct 12

gathin says...

Well, that's authoritarian-impose
d "democracy" for you,folks.
Well, that's authoritarian-impose d "democracy" for you,folks. gathin
  • Score: 0

5:17am Wed 24 Oct 12

gathin says...

Well, that's authoritarian-impose
d "democracy" for you,folks.
Well, that's authoritarian-impose d "democracy" for you,folks. gathin
  • Score: 0

5:37am Wed 24 Oct 12

Mudwolf says...

Keith Barnett wrote:
How come they don't nominate somewhere like Goldtops or nicer areas of Newport? I wonder??
One of the sites is at Allt-yr-yn.
[quote][p][bold]Keith Barnett[/bold] wrote: How come they don't nominate somewhere like Goldtops or nicer areas of Newport? I wonder??[/p][/quote]One of the sites is at Allt-yr-yn. Mudwolf
  • Score: -1

5:44am Wed 24 Oct 12

gathin says...

The key-word here is "proposed." They had to put one of the more affluent areas in there to appear as though we're all in this together. There should be a revolt over this- they keep pushing and pushing and it has to stop somewhere. Why the tax-paying public should have to put up with paying lots of tax and having no say on how it's spent is beyond me.
The key-word here is "proposed." They had to put one of the more affluent areas in there to appear as though we're all in this together. There should be a revolt over this- they keep pushing and pushing and it has to stop somewhere. Why the tax-paying public should have to put up with paying lots of tax and having no say on how it's spent is beyond me. gathin
  • Score: -1

8:14am Wed 24 Oct 12

Welshgirl91 says...

I understand that people don't want to live by travellers but if I just took the time to get to no some of them then u could comment not all travellers are bad I have a couple of friends that are travellers and I myself am not one so it just goes to show that they are not all what you think they are even they need somewhere to stay have u ever thought that they want to stay together and are fed up of being moved maybe you should think about that before you winge if they do move and cause trouble then complain what's the point in winging now they got to go somewhere
I understand that people don't want to live by travellers but if I just took the time to get to no some of them then u could comment not all travellers are bad I have a couple of friends that are travellers and I myself am not one so it just goes to show that they are not all what you think they are even they need somewhere to stay have u ever thought that they want to stay together and are fed up of being moved maybe you should think about that before you winge if they do move and cause trouble then complain what's the point in winging now they got to go somewhere Welshgirl91
  • Score: 1

8:18am Wed 24 Oct 12

james.dyer7@ntlworld.com says...

travellers or gypsies?
travellers or gypsies? james.dyer7@ntlworld.com
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8:20am Wed 24 Oct 12

Woodgnome says...

Now we know why we elect Councillors - obviously for razor sharp analysis of all the facts.

What a good idea - slow moving caravans joining the A449 from the salt store. Absolutely brilliant!!
Now we know why we elect Councillors - obviously for razor sharp analysis of all the facts. What a good idea - slow moving caravans joining the A449 from the salt store. Absolutely brilliant!! Woodgnome
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8:27am Wed 24 Oct 12

Cymru Am Beth says...

Independentvoter wrote:
When the sites are finally agreed on and built, I hope that there are strict rules imposed on these sites where, if anyone from the travelling community is found guilty of stealing from local neighbourhoods or dumping illegal waste in country lanes, unruly behaviour or the theft of scrap metal, etc etc etc then they will be removed from site and banned from returning to Newport for a substantial amount of time.
Absolutely agree.
But it probably won't happen, because of human rights.
[quote][p][bold]Independentvoter[/bold] wrote: When the sites are finally agreed on and built, I hope that there are strict rules imposed on these sites where, if anyone from the travelling community is found guilty of stealing from local neighbourhoods or dumping illegal waste in country lanes, unruly behaviour or the theft of scrap metal, etc etc etc then they will be removed from site and banned from returning to Newport for a substantial amount of time.[/p][/quote]Absolutely agree. But it probably won't happen, because of human rights. Cymru Am Beth
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8:30am Wed 24 Oct 12

amandaajd1 says...

As long as they pay their rates just like we all have, I have no problems, as long as they don't go round robbing off us people that pay our way in life, who have to save our pennies to get our luxuries.....charge them ground rent just like my mother inlaw has to pay on her caravan...or by per night, like I have to pay, when I go away in mine...they SHOULD NOT....SHOULD NOT live without paying bills, I have to work to keep my roof over my head...and my 16 year old son is trying to find part time evening work, after he has finished school...to get his luxuries..everyone should be treated the same...not different...just because they are called travellers....(next time a bill comes in, I gonna send it back with a letter stating that I am a traveller, see if I can live for free)
As long as they pay their rates just like we all have, I have no problems, as long as they don't go round robbing off us people that pay our way in life, who have to save our pennies to get our luxuries.....charge them ground rent just like my mother inlaw has to pay on her caravan...or by per night, like I have to pay, when I go away in mine...they SHOULD NOT....SHOULD NOT live without paying bills, I have to work to keep my roof over my head...and my 16 year old son is trying to find part time evening work, after he has finished school...to get his luxuries..everyone should be treated the same...not different...just because they are called travellers....(next time a bill comes in, I gonna send it back with a letter stating that I am a traveller, see if I can live for free) amandaajd1
  • Score: -1

8:30am Wed 24 Oct 12

Cymru Am Beth says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
Pigs might fly. Travel around the proximity of any site, official or otherwise and you'll see that they do as they want. The authorities are terrified of dealing with it. Check out Rover Way in Cardiff or the site north of Bristol.
Exactly.
These areas become 'no go areas' for the police and officials, who are terrified of upsetting them and the circle of lawlessness remains unbroken.
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: Pigs might fly. Travel around the proximity of any site, official or otherwise and you'll see that they do as they want. The authorities are terrified of dealing with it. Check out Rover Way in Cardiff or the site north of Bristol.[/p][/quote]Exactly. These areas become 'no go areas' for the police and officials, who are terrified of upsetting them and the circle of lawlessness remains unbroken. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: 0

8:32am Wed 24 Oct 12

Cymru Am Beth says...

Outthere wrote:
Can anyone answer this? Do gypsies pay Council Tax and Water Rates, if not then why is my money being used to create sites that will not be looked after and bring down the local area that they will be sited and how are they allowed to tap into the mains water. If I dont pay my Tax and Rates I will be fined and my water would be switched off. May be selling up and being a gypsie is the way forward. They seem to be better off.
Answer.
Political correctness and human rights, simples.
[quote][p][bold]Outthere[/bold] wrote: Can anyone answer this? Do gypsies pay Council Tax and Water Rates, if not then why is my money being used to create sites that will not be looked after and bring down the local area that they will be sited and how are they allowed to tap into the mains water. If I dont pay my Tax and Rates I will be fined and my water would be switched off. May be selling up and being a gypsie is the way forward. They seem to be better off.[/p][/quote]Answer. Political correctness and human rights, simples. Cymru Am Beth
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8:43am Wed 24 Oct 12

Cymru Am Beth says...

They are treated as a 'special case' and the Council has a duty to provide these sites.
With all the cash that they don't declare, they could afford to pay for this site themselves.
They should also be made to pay rates.
By the comments posted on here, there doesn't seem to be much support for them.
Wherever they decide to put the site, watch the crime rate go up (massaged to not reflect the true position) in the area and instances of illlegal dumping.
Most are not proper gypsies anyway.
They are 'Irish Tinkers'.
They are not wanted in Ireland for the reasons quoted above, so unfortunately they come here and take advantage of our 'namby pamby' system.
They are treated as a 'special case' and the Council has a duty to provide these sites. With all the cash that they don't declare, they could afford to pay for this site themselves. They should also be made to pay rates. By the comments posted on here, there doesn't seem to be much support for them. Wherever they decide to put the site, watch the crime rate go up (massaged to not reflect the true position) in the area and instances of illlegal dumping. Most are not proper gypsies anyway. They are 'Irish Tinkers'. They are not wanted in Ireland for the reasons quoted above, so unfortunately they come here and take advantage of our 'namby pamby' system. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: 1

9:00am Wed 24 Oct 12

Llanmartinangel says...

Welshgirl91 wrote:
I understand that people don't want to live by travellers but if I just took the time to get to no some of them then u could comment not all travellers are bad I have a couple of friends that are travellers and I myself am not one so it just goes to show that they are not all what you think they are even they need somewhere to stay have u ever thought that they want to stay together and are fed up of being moved maybe you should think about that before you winge if they do move and cause trouble then complain what's the point in winging now they got to go somewhere
Perhaps we could get you to interview them then before they get given their pitch. Do you seriously imagine that they got the reputation they have for nothing? Then maybe you can explain why none of the chosen sites are anywhere near a councillor's house or an Assembly Member for that matter. Ask any estate agent: if your house overlooks a gypsy site you may be able to rent it out but you'll never be able to sell it.
[quote][p][bold]Welshgirl91[/bold] wrote: I understand that people don't want to live by travellers but if I just took the time to get to no some of them then u could comment not all travellers are bad I have a couple of friends that are travellers and I myself am not one so it just goes to show that they are not all what you think they are even they need somewhere to stay have u ever thought that they want to stay together and are fed up of being moved maybe you should think about that before you winge if they do move and cause trouble then complain what's the point in winging now they got to go somewhere[/p][/quote]Perhaps we could get you to interview them then before they get given their pitch. Do you seriously imagine that they got the reputation they have for nothing? Then maybe you can explain why none of the chosen sites are anywhere near a councillor's house or an Assembly Member for that matter. Ask any estate agent: if your house overlooks a gypsy site you may be able to rent it out but you'll never be able to sell it. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 0

9:08am Wed 24 Oct 12

Welshgirl91 says...

I understand where you are coming from llanmartinangel but they are not all the same you can not judge all travellers or gypsies by the standees of 1 of them it's like everyone think kids these days are out of control but not all children are the same there was a story recently of 2 girls that handed in £500 or the group of boy that helped a old man not every 1 can be judged te same just because of one person
I understand where you are coming from llanmartinangel but they are not all the same you can not judge all travellers or gypsies by the standees of 1 of them it's like everyone think kids these days are out of control but not all children are the same there was a story recently of 2 girls that handed in £500 or the group of boy that helped a old man not every 1 can be judged te same just because of one person Welshgirl91
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9:12am Wed 24 Oct 12

Welshgirl91 says...

Think of it this way if you was a gypsy or a traveller that didn't cause trouble and wanted to settle down as a family but has been moved so many times because of the reputation other travellers have how would you feel
Think of it this way if you was a gypsy or a traveller that didn't cause trouble and wanted to settle down as a family but has been moved so many times because of the reputation other travellers have how would you feel Welshgirl91
  • Score: 0

9:22am Wed 24 Oct 12

Welshgirl91 says...

Why by a house they are people just like the rest of us they have rights and its againt their nature if they want to live in a caravan then let them I don't no what all the fuss is about
Why by a house they are people just like the rest of us they have rights and its againt their nature if they want to live in a caravan then let them I don't no what all the fuss is about Welshgirl91
  • Score: 0

9:24am Wed 24 Oct 12

amandaajd1 says...

Let them live in a caravan....but also charge them the same rates as us normal people have to pay....whether it be a house or caravan..we should all have to pay our way in life....
Let them live in a caravan....but also charge them the same rates as us normal people have to pay....whether it be a house or caravan..we should all have to pay our way in life.... amandaajd1
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9:25am Wed 24 Oct 12

james.dyer7@ntlworld.com says...

welshgirl - You would know if they lived next door to you. Ok dont buy a house. Find a site and buy it.
welshgirl - You would know if they lived next door to you. Ok dont buy a house. Find a site and buy it. james.dyer7@ntlworld.com
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9:30am Wed 24 Oct 12

amandaajd1 says...

I think some people commenting, have to remember why travellers/ gypsies have the name they do...and why nobody wants them living in the area they live in...they have brought it all on themselves....do u think that if they were nice trust worthy friendly people...people would be petitioning against having sites near their homes....read most of the above comments...there is not many people want them near their homes.,
I think some people commenting, have to remember why travellers/ gypsies have the name they do...and why nobody wants them living in the area they live in...they have brought it all on themselves....do u think that if they were nice trust worthy friendly people...people would be petitioning against having sites near their homes....read most of the above comments...there is not many people want them near their homes., amandaajd1
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9:37am Wed 24 Oct 12

Welshgirl91 says...

james.dyer7@ntlworld
.com
wrote:
welshgirl - You would know if they lived next door to you. Ok dont buy a house. Find a site and buy it.
One of the site on the short list is close to my home don't see me complaining they got to live somewhere and like I said if they cause trouble then complain they are not all the same not all of them are trouble makers some are decent people trying to get on with their lives as a family
[quote][p][bold]james.dyer7@ntlworld .com[/bold] wrote: welshgirl - You would know if they lived next door to you. Ok dont buy a house. Find a site and buy it.[/p][/quote]One of the site on the short list is close to my home don't see me complaining they got to live somewhere and like I said if they cause trouble then complain they are not all the same not all of them are trouble makers some are decent people trying to get on with their lives as a family Welshgirl91
  • Score: 0

9:38am Wed 24 Oct 12

Llanmartinangel says...

Welshgirl91 wrote:
Think of it this way if you was a gypsy or a traveller that didn't cause trouble and wanted to settle down as a family but has been moved so many times because of the reputation other travellers have how would you feel
I'm not a traveler. I've worked for 41 years non stop, paid tax all that time, never stolen, dumped rubbish and now own my own house. It goes without saying that there may be odd law abiding people of those communities but you don't explain why (a) they turn their sites into dumps or (b) why we have to fund THEIR way of life but THEY don't fund ours. Neither have you said how its fair that those who have bought property can have it devalued by the tax funded provision of these sites.
[quote][p][bold]Welshgirl91[/bold] wrote: Think of it this way if you was a gypsy or a traveller that didn't cause trouble and wanted to settle down as a family but has been moved so many times because of the reputation other travellers have how would you feel[/p][/quote]I'm not a traveler. I've worked for 41 years non stop, paid tax all that time, never stolen, dumped rubbish and now own my own house. It goes without saying that there may be odd law abiding people of those communities but you don't explain why (a) they turn their sites into dumps or (b) why we have to fund THEIR way of life but THEY don't fund ours. Neither have you said how its fair that those who have bought property can have it devalued by the tax funded provision of these sites. Llanmartinangel
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9:42am Wed 24 Oct 12

amandaajd1 says...

Hear hear...llanmartinang
el
Hear hear...llanmartinang el amandaajd1
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9:43am Wed 24 Oct 12

Welshgirl91 says...

I get what your saying all I am trying to say is that not all of them are the same everyone seems to tar them all with the same brush I have quite a few traveller and gypsy friends that don't cause trouble
I get what your saying all I am trying to say is that not all of them are the same everyone seems to tar them all with the same brush I have quite a few traveller and gypsy friends that don't cause trouble Welshgirl91
  • Score: 0

9:45am Wed 24 Oct 12

james.dyer7@ntlworld.com says...

welshgirl - How near? Seems the ideal spot then for all the gypsies. AND i hope they are real gypsies and not the other scroungers. If they were looking to settle down they would have. - in a place they pay for.
welshgirl - How near? Seems the ideal spot then for all the gypsies. AND i hope they are real gypsies and not the other scroungers. If they were looking to settle down they would have. - in a place they pay for. james.dyer7@ntlworld.com
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9:58am Wed 24 Oct 12

Keith Barnett says...

James - good idea, we have found the perfect place near Welshgirl 91.
I hear that there are some other gypsies in other parts of Wales looking as well.
Let us know the area Welshgirl and we'll get it sorted
James - good idea, we have found the perfect place near Welshgirl 91. I hear that there are some other gypsies in other parts of Wales looking as well. Let us know the area Welshgirl and we'll get it sorted Keith Barnett
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10:04am Wed 24 Oct 12

Howie' says...

Keith Barnett wrote:
How come they don't nominate somewhere like Goldtops or nicer areas of Newport?
I wonder??
What part of Goldtops is not either tarmacked or built on? bit difficult to see where they could put a site in that area. Allt-Yr-Yn of course is on the list but they have an area in Brickyard Lane which has been used as a small Gypsy site for several years now, where the residents have settled in to the local community without any problems.
[quote][p][bold]Keith Barnett[/bold] wrote: How come they don't nominate somewhere like Goldtops or nicer areas of Newport? I wonder??[/p][/quote]What part of Goldtops is not either tarmacked or built on? bit difficult to see where they could put a site in that area. Allt-Yr-Yn of course is on the list but they have an area in Brickyard Lane which has been used as a small Gypsy site for several years now, where the residents have settled in to the local community without any problems. Howie'
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10:11am Wed 24 Oct 12

Llanmartinangel says...

Howie' wrote:
Keith Barnett wrote:
How come they don't nominate somewhere like Goldtops or nicer areas of Newport?
I wonder??
What part of Goldtops is not either tarmacked or built on? bit difficult to see where they could put a site in that area. Allt-Yr-Yn of course is on the list but they have an area in Brickyard Lane which has been used as a small Gypsy site for several years now, where the residents have settled in to the local community without any problems.
Curiously, the two gypsy families living there don't want the newcomers either.(Story covered in the Argus two weeks ago). They were very vociferous about the damage to their (Romany) image caused by the influx of the Irish community who's reputation they know well. It was they who mentioned 'rubbish' and 'fly-tipping'.
[quote][p][bold]Howie'[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Keith Barnett[/bold] wrote: How come they don't nominate somewhere like Goldtops or nicer areas of Newport? I wonder??[/p][/quote]What part of Goldtops is not either tarmacked or built on? bit difficult to see where they could put a site in that area. Allt-Yr-Yn of course is on the list but they have an area in Brickyard Lane which has been used as a small Gypsy site for several years now, where the residents have settled in to the local community without any problems.[/p][/quote]Curiously, the two gypsy families living there don't want the newcomers either.(Story covered in the Argus two weeks ago). They were very vociferous about the damage to their (Romany) image caused by the influx of the Irish community who's reputation they know well. It was they who mentioned 'rubbish' and 'fly-tipping'. Llanmartinangel
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10:39am Wed 24 Oct 12

Jones 707 says...

Have they gone stark raving mad. The A449 is a gateway to the city and opposite the Celtic Manor who still have plans for major investments. Would appear Labour are up to their old tricks again. Hope Terry doesn't pull the plug, because if he did, that would be millions of pounds, and job losses we can ill afford.
Have they gone stark raving mad. The A449 is a gateway to the city and opposite the Celtic Manor who still have plans for major investments. Would appear Labour are up to their old tricks again. Hope Terry doesn't pull the plug, because if he did, that would be millions of pounds, and job losses we can ill afford. Jones 707
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11:06am Wed 24 Oct 12

Llanmartinangel says...

Jones 707 wrote:
Have they gone stark raving mad. The A449 is a gateway to the city and opposite the Celtic Manor who still have plans for major investments. Would appear Labour are up to their old tricks again. Hope Terry doesn't pull the plug, because if he did, that would be millions of pounds, and job losses we can ill afford.
I think that with the money our Terry has already invested in a legal team, he needn't worry too much. The one thing Abu Hamza and other terrorists have shown us is that if you've got lawyers you can tie things up in the courts for donkeys years. This is supposed to be Newport's ten year plan.
[quote][p][bold]Jones 707[/bold] wrote: Have they gone stark raving mad. The A449 is a gateway to the city and opposite the Celtic Manor who still have plans for major investments. Would appear Labour are up to their old tricks again. Hope Terry doesn't pull the plug, because if he did, that would be millions of pounds, and job losses we can ill afford.[/p][/quote]I think that with the money our Terry has already invested in a legal team, he needn't worry too much. The one thing Abu Hamza and other terrorists have shown us is that if you've got lawyers you can tie things up in the courts for donkeys years. This is supposed to be Newport's ten year plan. Llanmartinangel
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11:12am Wed 24 Oct 12

Woodgnome says...

Llanmartinangel may be right but the Council's costs of all this is being paid by you know who - us!! If NCC lose they could well have to pay Terry's costs as well - again paid for by you know who!
Llanmartinangel may be right but the Council's costs of all this is being paid by you know who - us!! If NCC lose they could well have to pay Terry's costs as well - again paid for by you know who! Woodgnome
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11:37am Wed 24 Oct 12

Llanmartinangel says...

Correct Woodgnome. This whole stupid charade is being paid for by us. In that respect the honest and hard working are always coughing up for the needs and wishes of people we don't need/ can't deport/ have human rights etc.
Correct Woodgnome. This whole stupid charade is being paid for by us. In that respect the honest and hard working are always coughing up for the needs and wishes of people we don't need/ can't deport/ have human rights etc. Llanmartinangel
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1:58pm Wed 24 Oct 12

Cymru Am Beth says...

amandaajd1 wrote:
I think some people commenting, have to remember why travellers/ gypsies have the name they do...and why nobody wants them living in the area they live in...they have brought it all on themselves....do u think that if they were nice trust worthy friendly people...people would be petitioning against having sites near their homes....read most of the above comments...there is not many people want them near their homes.,
Absolutely spot on.
[quote][p][bold]amandaajd1[/bold] wrote: I think some people commenting, have to remember why travellers/ gypsies have the name they do...and why nobody wants them living in the area they live in...they have brought it all on themselves....do u think that if they were nice trust worthy friendly people...people would be petitioning against having sites near their homes....read most of the above comments...there is not many people want them near their homes.,[/p][/quote]Absolutely spot on. Cymru Am Beth
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2:03pm Wed 24 Oct 12

pinpong says...

It seems to me that all the tory councillors got out and represented their residents whilst the three ringland ones, Bobby Bright, Emma Corten and Malocolm Linton did nothing. Well Ringland if you vote labour you get poor representation. You have two sites in your area.
It seems to me that all the tory councillors got out and represented their residents whilst the three ringland ones, Bobby Bright, Emma Corten and Malocolm Linton did nothing. Well Ringland if you vote labour you get poor representation. You have two sites in your area. pinpong
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2:03pm Wed 24 Oct 12

pinpong says...

It seems to me that all the tory councillors got out and represented their residents whilst the three ringland ones, Bobby Bright, Emma Corten and Malocolm Linton did nothing. Well Ringland if you vote labour you get poor representation. You have two sites in your area.
It seems to me that all the tory councillors got out and represented their residents whilst the three ringland ones, Bobby Bright, Emma Corten and Malocolm Linton did nothing. Well Ringland if you vote labour you get poor representation. You have two sites in your area. pinpong
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2:08pm Wed 24 Oct 12

james.dyer7@ntlworld.com says...

pinpong - your comments make no sense. What do you mean? All the sites except Ringland are in Tory areas. Bob Bright is Council leader adn Newport is Labour. So what do you mean?
pinpong - your comments make no sense. What do you mean? All the sites except Ringland are in Tory areas. Bob Bright is Council leader adn Newport is Labour. So what do you mean? james.dyer7@ntlworld.com
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2:44pm Wed 24 Oct 12

Bobevans says...

THere is already a very suitable site in Newport for a Gypsy camp. The civic centre has excess space due to the cutbacks and has space for at least a dozen caravans. There is aready the hardstaning in the car park and water & seweridge services so there would be almost zero cost and during the day they could use the toilet and catering facilities at the civic centre so problem solved. Preferred location the civic centre.
THere is already a very suitable site in Newport for a Gypsy camp. The civic centre has excess space due to the cutbacks and has space for at least a dozen caravans. There is aready the hardstaning in the car park and water & seweridge services so there would be almost zero cost and during the day they could use the toilet and catering facilities at the civic centre so problem solved. Preferred location the civic centre. Bobevans
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2:44pm Wed 24 Oct 12

Bobevans says...

THere is already a very suitable site in Newport for a Gypsy camp. The civic centre has excess space due to the cutbacks and has space for at least a dozen caravans. There is aready the hardstaning in the car park and water & seweridge services so there would be almost zero cost and during the day they could use the toilet and catering facilities at the civic centre so problem solved. Preferred location the civic centre.
THere is already a very suitable site in Newport for a Gypsy camp. The civic centre has excess space due to the cutbacks and has space for at least a dozen caravans. There is aready the hardstaning in the car park and water & seweridge services so there would be almost zero cost and during the day they could use the toilet and catering facilities at the civic centre so problem solved. Preferred location the civic centre. Bobevans
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2:46pm Wed 24 Oct 12

james.dyer7@ntlworld.com says...

b0obe vans - been done before. not very helpful
b0obe vans - been done before. not very helpful james.dyer7@ntlworld.com
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5:16pm Wed 24 Oct 12

pinpong says...

james.dyer7@ntlworld
.com
wrote:
pinpong - your comments make no sense. What do you mean? All the sites except Ringland are in Tory areas. Bob Bright is Council leader adn Newport is Labour. So what do you mean?
Simple really James. Ringland is the only labour ward in the mix. Ringland is represented By Bobby who by the way lives in the leafy suburb of Allt-Yr-Yn.
All the other sites are in tory wards. Marshfield, Allt-yr-yn and Langstone.
[quote][p][bold]james.dyer7@ntlworld .com[/bold] wrote: pinpong - your comments make no sense. What do you mean? All the sites except Ringland are in Tory areas. Bob Bright is Council leader adn Newport is Labour. So what do you mean?[/p][/quote]Simple really James. Ringland is the only labour ward in the mix. Ringland is represented By Bobby who by the way lives in the leafy suburb of Allt-Yr-Yn. All the other sites are in tory wards. Marshfield, Allt-yr-yn and Langstone. pinpong
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5:30pm Wed 24 Oct 12

casto says...

put them in ringland.theyll soon get fed up of the pilfering that goes on over there.and move on
put them in ringland.theyll soon get fed up of the pilfering that goes on over there.and move on casto
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6:06pm Wed 24 Oct 12

james.dyer7@ntlworld.com says...

pinpong - Yes but what do you mean? Still makes no sense. Who are you critical of and whY
pinpong - Yes but what do you mean? Still makes no sense. Who are you critical of and whY james.dyer7@ntlworld.com
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7:05pm Wed 24 Oct 12

dky1899 says...

#castro .... exactly. Some of the potentially racist comments on here about the gypsies are amazing. If you want to look at scroungers, criminals and scruffs and the like...lets be honest, you just have to read the Argus or look around you to realise that a few gypsy families are hardly going to have any noticeable impact on what Newport already has!
#castro .... exactly. Some of the potentially racist comments on here about the gypsies are amazing. If you want to look at scroungers, criminals and scruffs and the like...lets be honest, you just have to read the Argus or look around you to realise that a few gypsy families are hardly going to have any noticeable impact on what Newport already has! dky1899
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7:10pm Wed 24 Oct 12

james.dyer7@ntlworld.com says...

DKY - I THINK YOU HAVE MISSED THE POINT. real GYPSIES ARE A BIT DIFFERENT THAN THE TRAVELLERS AND iRISH TINKERS, MAKE NO BONES ABOUT IT THEY ARE NOT WANTED AND ARE MAINLY SCROUNGERS.
DKY - I THINK YOU HAVE MISSED THE POINT. real GYPSIES ARE A BIT DIFFERENT THAN THE TRAVELLERS AND iRISH TINKERS, MAKE NO BONES ABOUT IT THEY ARE NOT WANTED AND ARE MAINLY SCROUNGERS. james.dyer7@ntlworld.com
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7:19pm Wed 24 Oct 12

SASHA.P says...

What the heck are NCC thinking?I love the way they have labelled the site adjacent to the a449 as plot adjacent what they should say is site located on the BULMORE ROAD Caerleon close to good travel routes??two narrow lanes catsash road and the bulmore road are the only way out to this site! loads of river bank to fly tip into the river and out of site yeah just perfect oh yes do know what im not even going to waste my breath I just hope they will be paying the £1400 council tax rate that we do to live here and thats not me being snobby thats me being angry because I pay it also that site is on a flood plain ???why are they allowed to develop on a flood plain there are loads of places Newport own that they can be sited that are more suitable what about that place opposite the gwent that never did get made into a new hospital you could fit as many as you like there they may actually improve the site given half a chance because as it is thats just an eyesore ...
What the heck are NCC thinking?I love the way they have labelled the site adjacent to the a449 as plot adjacent what they should say is site located on the BULMORE ROAD Caerleon close to good travel routes??two narrow lanes catsash road and the bulmore road are the only way out to this site! loads of river bank to fly tip into the river and out of site yeah just perfect oh yes do know what im not even going to waste my breath I just hope they will be paying the £1400 council tax rate that we do to live here and thats not me being snobby thats me being angry because I pay it also that site is on a flood plain ???why are they allowed to develop on a flood plain there are loads of places Newport own that they can be sited that are more suitable what about that place opposite the gwent that never did get made into a new hospital you could fit as many as you like there they may actually improve the site given half a chance because as it is thats just an eyesore ... SASHA.P
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8:41pm Wed 24 Oct 12

SASHA.P says...

wagtail wrote:
All three labour councillors in Ringland were contacted by many local residents to follow the lead set by the Langstone community,
Now I know why these so called councillors did NOTHING !!!!!
The report says a yard off the A449 is earmarked, ain't this the dual carriageway between the Coldra & Raglan.
Mr Terry Matthews v Mr Bob Bright. Any odds offered ??????
This site is on the bulmore road caerleon acces via bulmore road or catsash has the slipway coming down off the a449 and there is a small paliside fenced off area usually full of grit and materials also happens to be opposite a filed that just the year before last the gyspsies illegally filled with about 100 horses overnight into a field full of ragwort think it belonged to the celtic manor or somebody private they think a pile of rubble on the floor entrance to the field is going to stop the travellers moving more in?
[quote][p][bold]wagtail[/bold] wrote: All three labour councillors in Ringland were contacted by many local residents to follow the lead set by the Langstone community, Now I know why these so called councillors did NOTHING !!!!! The report says a yard off the A449 is earmarked, ain't this the dual carriageway between the Coldra & Raglan. Mr Terry Matthews v Mr Bob Bright. Any odds offered ??????[/p][/quote]This site is on the bulmore road caerleon acces via bulmore road or catsash has the slipway coming down off the a449 and there is a small paliside fenced off area usually full of grit and materials also happens to be opposite a filed that just the year before last the gyspsies illegally filled with about 100 horses overnight into a field full of ragwort think it belonged to the celtic manor or somebody private they think a pile of rubble on the floor entrance to the field is going to stop the travellers moving more in? SASHA.P
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9:38pm Wed 24 Oct 12

amandaajd1 says...

casto wrote:
put them in ringland.theyll soon get fed up of the pilfering that goes on over there.and move on
Casto I am from ringland, born and bread...there is no more trouble here than anywhere else in Newport...
[quote][p][bold]casto[/bold] wrote: put them in ringland.theyll soon get fed up of the pilfering that goes on over there.and move on[/p][/quote]Casto I am from ringland, born and bread...there is no more trouble here than anywhere else in Newport... amandaajd1
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9:57pm Wed 24 Oct 12

chris227 says...

bob evans your right as always my friend you have found a perfect solution put the fun loving travelling folk who don't wish to confirm to society due to their culture at the civic centre.,
bob evans your right as always my friend you have found a perfect solution put the fun loving travelling folk who don't wish to confirm to society due to their culture at the civic centre., chris227
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9:57pm Wed 24 Oct 12

Keith Barnett says...

It's born and BRED not bread!
It's born and BRED not bread! Keith Barnett
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10:19pm Wed 24 Oct 12

amandaajd1 says...

Lol..predictive dictionary....but thanks Keith for pointing that out....;)
Lol..predictive dictionary....but thanks Keith for pointing that out....;) amandaajd1
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11:13pm Wed 24 Oct 12

RugbyNo8 says...

The gipsy community are "travellers". So why should we be forced to give up parts of our city to people who decide to play the discrimination card when they want somewhere to stay. A bit of a joke. Nothing against them but I think that they should stick to their morals and travel
The gipsy community are "travellers". So why should we be forced to give up parts of our city to people who decide to play the discrimination card when they want somewhere to stay. A bit of a joke. Nothing against them but I think that they should stick to their morals and travel RugbyNo8
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11:32pm Wed 24 Oct 12

Welshman76 says...

I think many of us including me stereotype all the travellers due to what we see on tv and read in papers and the only way to sell papers and get people to watch the tv is to exaggerate and show only the bad side of all humans. Many comments are made without all the facts. The Pontypool traveller site charge £130 per week per pitch so comments about not contributing financially are ill conceived http://www.torfaenho
mes.co.uk/uploads/do
cs/docs_1303392015.d
oc and apparently there is only one portaloo for the whole site. I guess that the travellers are not too keen on integrating into our society when this is how they are treated. It's a very hard subject as I wouldn't want them on my doorstep but can also see that society has demonised the whole lot when maybe there are only a few bad eggs as there are in our society. Most of the reporting in the argus is about crime committed by non travellers!! I think the first effort is to get everyone to be rightly informed and to integrate more. The dealings I've had with travellers has been no different from people I see everyday but like I said the preconceptive views are difficult to see past.
I think many of us including me stereotype all the travellers due to what we see on tv and read in papers and the only way to sell papers and get people to watch the tv is to exaggerate and show only the bad side of all humans. Many comments are made without all the facts. The Pontypool traveller site charge £130 per week per pitch so comments about not contributing financially are ill conceived http://www.torfaenho mes.co.uk/uploads/do cs/docs_1303392015.d oc and apparently there is only one portaloo for the whole site. I guess that the travellers are not too keen on integrating into our society when this is how they are treated. It's a very hard subject as I wouldn't want them on my doorstep but can also see that society has demonised the whole lot when maybe there are only a few bad eggs as there are in our society. Most of the reporting in the argus is about crime committed by non travellers!! I think the first effort is to get everyone to be rightly informed and to integrate more. The dealings I've had with travellers has been no different from people I see everyday but like I said the preconceptive views are difficult to see past. Welshman76
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12:26am Thu 25 Oct 12

James3210 says...

I live near the Allt-yr-yn site.

From the Council’s website I note that the “consultation process” commenced on 7 September 2012. However, but for the actions of 3 conservative councillors hand-delivering letters (on or after 27 September 2012) to some of the local residents living just South of Junction 27 of the M4 motorway which alerted them to the gypsy site proposals and brought to their attention the existence of the relevant page on the Council’s website relating to these proposals, I would never have known about the proposals as I, like many other local residents, had no reason to access the Council’s website on/after 7 September 2012.

It is unacceptable that no councillor chose to extend the same courtesy to those local residents living just North of Junction 27, who only became aware of the proposals by word of mouth from the residents living just South of Junction 27.

I found out about the proposals less than 4 days before the end of the "consultation process" (4 October 2012) and only just managed to submit my objections in time. It appears that the “consultation process” was deliberately designed to fly below the radar of the very residents who would be most affected if the proposals went ahead, thus reducing their ability, in whole or in part, to enter into any meaningful consultation and to express their objections, if any. Furthermore, any local residents without internet access and who had not received notification of the proposals via any other means (which no doubt included a disproportionately large number of residents over the age of 65) will, even now, be completely unaware of the proposals. As a result of such underhand tactics, I believe that the Council's “consultation process” is undemocratic, tainted with indirect age discrimination, lacks transparency and is therefore fatally flawed. The behaviour of the Council in this respect has significantly undermined my trust and confidence in my elected officials who are meant to represent my interests and views.

Can we force the Council to re-rerun the entire consultation process but this time actually consult with the citizens of Newport? Any thoughts?
I live near the Allt-yr-yn site. From the Council’s website I note that the “consultation process” commenced on 7 September 2012. However, but for the actions of 3 conservative councillors hand-delivering letters (on or after 27 September 2012) to some of the local residents living just South of Junction 27 of the M4 motorway which alerted them to the gypsy site proposals and brought to their attention the existence of the relevant page on the Council’s website relating to these proposals, I would never have known about the proposals as I, like many other local residents, had no reason to access the Council’s website on/after 7 September 2012. It is unacceptable that no councillor chose to extend the same courtesy to those local residents living just North of Junction 27, who only became aware of the proposals by word of mouth from the residents living just South of Junction 27. I found out about the proposals less than 4 days before the end of the "consultation process" (4 October 2012) and only just managed to submit my objections in time. It appears that the “consultation process” was deliberately designed to fly below the radar of the very residents who would be most affected if the proposals went ahead, thus reducing their ability, in whole or in part, to enter into any meaningful consultation and to express their objections, if any. Furthermore, any local residents without internet access and who had not received notification of the proposals via any other means (which no doubt included a disproportionately large number of residents over the age of 65) will, even now, be completely unaware of the proposals. As a result of such underhand tactics, I believe that the Council's “consultation process” is undemocratic, tainted with indirect age discrimination, lacks transparency and is therefore fatally flawed. The behaviour of the Council in this respect has significantly undermined my trust and confidence in my elected officials who are meant to represent my interests and views. Can we force the Council to re-rerun the entire consultation process but this time actually consult with the citizens of Newport? Any thoughts? James3210
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1:23am Thu 25 Oct 12

casto says...

Keith Barnett wrote:
It's born and BRED not bread!
lol.keith,another example of prime stock,well brought up !!, not.use knowledge.not spelling assistance.lol
[quote][p][bold]Keith Barnett[/bold] wrote: It's born and BRED not bread![/p][/quote]lol.keith,another example of prime stock,well brought up !!, not.use knowledge.not spelling assistance.lol casto
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6:33am Thu 25 Oct 12

Mudwolf says...

As a Calor gas salesman I very much look forward to the Gypsy's being given a home here in Newport. I don't think they should restrict their plans to one site but develop them all, Newport could become the travellers destination of choice and I can make a fortune keeping them supplied with Propane.
As a Calor gas salesman I very much look forward to the Gypsy's being given a home here in Newport. I don't think they should restrict their plans to one site but develop them all, Newport could become the travellers destination of choice and I can make a fortune keeping them supplied with Propane. Mudwolf
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7:37am Thu 25 Oct 12

Woodgnome says...

James 3210 - all is not lost yet. There have to be further consutations to get planning permission for the sites. Suggest you get on to NCC and tell them you want a proper job on consultation.
James 3210 - all is not lost yet. There have to be further consutations to get planning permission for the sites. Suggest you get on to NCC and tell them you want a proper job on consultation. Woodgnome
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8:59am Thu 25 Oct 12

Cymru Am Beth says...

Welshman76 wrote:
I think many of us including me stereotype all the travellers due to what we see on tv and read in papers and the only way to sell papers and get people to watch the tv is to exaggerate and show only the bad side of all humans. Many comments are made without all the facts. The Pontypool traveller site charge £130 per week per pitch so comments about not contributing financially are ill conceived http://www.torfaenho mes.co.uk/uploads/do cs/docs_1303392015.d oc and apparently there is only one portaloo for the whole site. I guess that the travellers are not too keen on integrating into our society when this is how they are treated. It's a very hard subject as I wouldn't want them on my doorstep but can also see that society has demonised the whole lot when maybe there are only a few bad eggs as there are in our society. Most of the reporting in the argus is about crime committed by non travellers!! I think the first effort is to get everyone to be rightly informed and to integrate more. The dealings I've had with travellers has been no different from people I see everyday but like I said the preconceptive views are difficult to see past.
I would like to take your mind back to when the Tinkers inhabited a site over by Maesglas some years ago.
The Council (taxpayers) had a massive bill to clear up the waste.
One of their kind, using someone elses wireless connection, poured nothing but scorn on Newport.
Calling Newport people scum etc.
I think that you have it the wrong way around.
There are a few good eggs, but mostly bad ones amongst these sort.
The views are not preconcieved, 'the truth is out there'.
They are different from other people.
They are not interested in becoming part of the community. They choose to be outcasts and I do not see why we, (as taxpayers) should have to accomodate their way of life.
Answer me please, what they give back to society in return for helping them?
[quote][p][bold]Welshman76[/bold] wrote: I think many of us including me stereotype all the travellers due to what we see on tv and read in papers and the only way to sell papers and get people to watch the tv is to exaggerate and show only the bad side of all humans. Many comments are made without all the facts. The Pontypool traveller site charge £130 per week per pitch so comments about not contributing financially are ill conceived http://www.torfaenho mes.co.uk/uploads/do cs/docs_1303392015.d oc and apparently there is only one portaloo for the whole site. I guess that the travellers are not too keen on integrating into our society when this is how they are treated. It's a very hard subject as I wouldn't want them on my doorstep but can also see that society has demonised the whole lot when maybe there are only a few bad eggs as there are in our society. Most of the reporting in the argus is about crime committed by non travellers!! I think the first effort is to get everyone to be rightly informed and to integrate more. The dealings I've had with travellers has been no different from people I see everyday but like I said the preconceptive views are difficult to see past.[/p][/quote]I would like to take your mind back to when the Tinkers inhabited a site over by Maesglas some years ago. The Council (taxpayers) had a massive bill to clear up the waste. One of their kind, using someone elses wireless connection, poured nothing but scorn on Newport. Calling Newport people scum etc. I think that you have it the wrong way around. There are a few good eggs, but mostly bad ones amongst these sort. The views are not preconcieved, 'the truth is out there'. They are different from other people. They are not interested in becoming part of the community. They choose to be outcasts and I do not see why we, (as taxpayers) should have to accomodate their way of life. Answer me please, what they give back to society in return for helping them? Cymru Am Beth
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10:28am Thu 25 Oct 12

james.dyer7@ntlworld.com says...

mudwolf - see you got your konk in on this one as well.
mudwolf - see you got your konk in on this one as well. james.dyer7@ntlworld.com
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1:38pm Thu 25 Oct 12

username2 says...

Welshman76, a voice of reason. It's a very complicated situation and needs to be discussed as such.
Welshman76, a voice of reason. It's a very complicated situation and needs to be discussed as such. username2
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1:50pm Thu 25 Oct 12

cwmbran man says...

Welshman76 wrote:
I think many of us including me stereotype all the travellers due to what we see on tv and read in papers and the only way to sell papers and get people to watch the tv is to exaggerate and show only the bad side of all humans. Many comments are made without all the facts. The Pontypool traveller site charge £130 per week per pitch so comments about not contributing financially are ill conceived http://www.torfaenho

mes.co.uk/uploads/do

cs/docs_1303392015.d

oc and apparently there is only one portaloo for the whole site. I guess that the travellers are not too keen on integrating into our society when this is how they are treated. It's a very hard subject as I wouldn't want them on my doorstep but can also see that society has demonised the whole lot when maybe there are only a few bad eggs as there are in our society. Most of the reporting in the argus is about crime committed by non travellers!! I think the first effort is to get everyone to be rightly informed and to integrate more. The dealings I've had with travellers has been no different from people I see everyday but like I said the preconceptive views are difficult to see past.
Very funny this one, that 130 is covered by benefits, so effectively, your taxes are paying for them to ruin your environment, classic.
[quote][p][bold]Welshman76[/bold] wrote: I think many of us including me stereotype all the travellers due to what we see on tv and read in papers and the only way to sell papers and get people to watch the tv is to exaggerate and show only the bad side of all humans. Many comments are made without all the facts. The Pontypool traveller site charge £130 per week per pitch so comments about not contributing financially are ill conceived http://www.torfaenho mes.co.uk/uploads/do cs/docs_1303392015.d oc and apparently there is only one portaloo for the whole site. I guess that the travellers are not too keen on integrating into our society when this is how they are treated. It's a very hard subject as I wouldn't want them on my doorstep but can also see that society has demonised the whole lot when maybe there are only a few bad eggs as there are in our society. Most of the reporting in the argus is about crime committed by non travellers!! I think the first effort is to get everyone to be rightly informed and to integrate more. The dealings I've had with travellers has been no different from people I see everyday but like I said the preconceptive views are difficult to see past.[/p][/quote]Very funny this one, that 130 is covered by benefits, so effectively, your taxes are paying for them to ruin your environment, classic. cwmbran man
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2:07pm Thu 25 Oct 12

ringlandgirl says...

pinpong wrote:
It seems to me that all the tory councillors got out and represented their residents whilst the three ringland ones, Bobby Bright, Emma Corten and Malocolm Linton did nothing. Well Ringland if you vote labour you get poor representation. You have two sites in your area.
Hi PinPong, Emma Corten here.

I'm not sure when you contacted me with your thoughts and concerns as this stream of comments doesn't include your full name, however, I feel that I should make it clear that your quote, which includes my name isn't actually correct.

While the consultation was happening I fielded many calls, letters and emails from residents. I meticulously replied to each one and forwarded comments, letters and emails on to be included as part of the scrutiny. I also put forward representations based on what residents had said to me.

I am here to represent the views of the residents and businesses in the Ringland ward, which I did do and will continue to do. I tried to draw further attention to the Consultation process by hand delivering leaflets and by communicating to residents via Twitter and Facebook.

There will be a Ringland ward meeting at the Community Centre on November 6th from 6.30pm. This item is on the agenda.

Also, please be clear that this is a shortlist of proposed sites – there are still many processes that this has to go through and if the residents of Ringland decide that they want to fight this then that’s what will happen. Councillors are not here to represent our views – we’re here to represent the views of Ringland.
[quote][p][bold]pinpong[/bold] wrote: It seems to me that all the tory councillors got out and represented their residents whilst the three ringland ones, Bobby Bright, Emma Corten and Malocolm Linton did nothing. Well Ringland if you vote labour you get poor representation. You have two sites in your area.[/p][/quote]Hi PinPong, Emma Corten here. I'm not sure when you contacted me with your thoughts and concerns as this stream of comments doesn't include your full name, however, I feel that I should make it clear that your quote, which includes my name isn't actually correct. While the consultation was happening I fielded many calls, letters and emails from residents. I meticulously replied to each one and forwarded comments, letters and emails on to be included as part of the scrutiny. I also put forward representations based on what residents had said to me. I am here to represent the views of the residents and businesses in the Ringland ward, which I did do and will continue to do. I tried to draw further attention to the Consultation process by hand delivering leaflets and by communicating to residents via Twitter and Facebook. There will be a Ringland ward meeting at the Community Centre on November 6th from 6.30pm. This item is on the agenda. Also, please be clear that this is a shortlist of proposed sites – there are still many processes that this has to go through and if the residents of Ringland decide that they want to fight this then that’s what will happen. Councillors are not here to represent our views – we’re here to represent the views of Ringland. ringlandgirl
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3:00pm Thu 25 Oct 12

cwmbran man says...

As we live in a democracy, and most people dont want them around, find them somewhere out the way and forcibly site them there or nowhere, stop pandering to the rabble and look after the council tax payers.
As we live in a democracy, and most people dont want them around, find them somewhere out the way and forcibly site them there or nowhere, stop pandering to the rabble and look after the council tax payers. cwmbran man
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3:39pm Thu 25 Oct 12

Llanmartinangel says...

cwmbran man wrote:
As we live in a democracy, and most people dont want them around, find them somewhere out the way and forcibly site them there or nowhere, stop pandering to the rabble and look after the council tax payers.
Amen to that
[quote][p][bold]cwmbran man[/bold] wrote: As we live in a democracy, and most people dont want them around, find them somewhere out the way and forcibly site them there or nowhere, stop pandering to the rabble and look after the council tax payers.[/p][/quote]Amen to that Llanmartinangel
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6:29pm Thu 25 Oct 12

pig says...

these people no matter gypsies or travellers,
are human beings.
these people no matter gypsies or travellers, are human beings. pig
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6:45pm Thu 25 Oct 12

james.dyer7@ntlworld.com says...

pig - so what?
pig - so what? james.dyer7@ntlworld.com
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7:13pm Thu 25 Oct 12

Darknet says...

Did anybody see BBC Wales News this evening? They were showing gypsies and the terrible animal cruelty they commit. They are just basically dumping their horses in farmers fields and if the farmer or landowner asks the gypsies to remove them, they get threatened and harass. Even worse some gypsies were dumping their horses and leaving them to die. They showed some scenes of deceased horses, it was very disturbing.


Fly tipping, stealing and being antisocial is one thing, but animal cruelty is just unacceptable. Gypsies have just become a massive problem, and the British government needs to clamp down on them before it becomes even worse.
Did anybody see BBC Wales News this evening? They were showing gypsies and the terrible animal cruelty they commit. They are just basically dumping their horses in farmers fields and if the farmer or landowner asks the gypsies to remove them, they get threatened and harass. Even worse some gypsies were dumping their horses and leaving them to die. They showed some scenes of deceased horses, it was very disturbing. Fly tipping, stealing and being antisocial is one thing, but animal cruelty is just unacceptable. Gypsies have just become a massive problem, and the British government needs to clamp down on them before it becomes even worse. Darknet
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7:18pm Thu 25 Oct 12

Woodgnome says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
Pigs might fly. Travel around the proximity of any site, official or otherwise and you'll see that they do as they want. The authorities are terrified of dealing with it. Check out Rover Way in Cardiff or the site north of Bristol.
Article from recent Horse and Hound Magazine -
"The number of loose and fly-grazing horses is soaring in South Wales, resulting in 500 calls to police in January, compared with around 24 a month in 2011.
Huge numbers of animals are owned by travellers in the area — including one man whom a local welfare charity estimates owns as many as 2,700 coloured cobs.
Equine charities have taken in horses from the Cardiff and Bridgend areas this winter.
“The local authorities have a massive problem,” said Nic de Brauwere of the charity Redwings and chairman of the National Equine Welfare Council (NEWC)."
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: Pigs might fly. Travel around the proximity of any site, official or otherwise and you'll see that they do as they want. The authorities are terrified of dealing with it. Check out Rover Way in Cardiff or the site north of Bristol.[/p][/quote]Article from recent Horse and Hound Magazine - "The number of loose and fly-grazing horses is soaring in South Wales, resulting in 500 calls to police in January, compared with around 24 a month in 2011. Huge numbers of animals are owned by travellers in the area — including one man whom a local welfare charity estimates owns as many as 2,700 coloured cobs. Equine charities have taken in horses from the Cardiff and Bridgend areas this winter. “The local authorities have a massive problem,” said Nic de Brauwere of the charity Redwings and chairman of the National Equine Welfare Council (NEWC)." Woodgnome
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7:54pm Thu 25 Oct 12

Welshman76 says...

Cymru Am Beth wrote:
Welshman76 wrote:
I think many of us including me stereotype all the travellers due to what we see on tv and read in papers and the only way to sell papers and get people to watch the tv is to exaggerate and show only the bad side of all humans. Many comments are made without all the facts. The Pontypool traveller site charge £130 per week per pitch so comments about not contributing financially are ill conceived http://www.torfaenho mes.co.uk/uploads/do cs/docs_1303392015.d oc and apparently there is only one portaloo for the whole site. I guess that the travellers are not too keen on integrating into our society when this is how they are treated. It's a very hard subject as I wouldn't want them on my doorstep but can also see that society has demonised the whole lot when maybe there are only a few bad eggs as there are in our society. Most of the reporting in the argus is about crime committed by non travellers!! I think the first effort is to get everyone to be rightly informed and to integrate more. The dealings I've had with travellers has been no different from people I see everyday but like I said the preconceptive views are difficult to see past.
I would like to take your mind back to when the Tinkers inhabited a site over by Maesglas some years ago.
The Council (taxpayers) had a massive bill to clear up the waste.
One of their kind, using someone elses wireless connection, poured nothing but scorn on Newport.
Calling Newport people scum etc.
I think that you have it the wrong way around.
There are a few good eggs, but mostly bad ones amongst these sort.
The views are not preconcieved, 'the truth is out there'.
They are different from other people.
They are not interested in becoming part of the community. They choose to be outcasts and I do not see why we, (as taxpayers) should have to accomodate their way of life.
Answer me please, what they give back to society in return for helping them?
What about all the other fly tipping that goes on from 'normal society' and the littering that goes on frequently. This is a cost to the tax payer as well!
[quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Welshman76[/bold] wrote: I think many of us including me stereotype all the travellers due to what we see on tv and read in papers and the only way to sell papers and get people to watch the tv is to exaggerate and show only the bad side of all humans. Many comments are made without all the facts. The Pontypool traveller site charge £130 per week per pitch so comments about not contributing financially are ill conceived http://www.torfaenho mes.co.uk/uploads/do cs/docs_1303392015.d oc and apparently there is only one portaloo for the whole site. I guess that the travellers are not too keen on integrating into our society when this is how they are treated. It's a very hard subject as I wouldn't want them on my doorstep but can also see that society has demonised the whole lot when maybe there are only a few bad eggs as there are in our society. Most of the reporting in the argus is about crime committed by non travellers!! I think the first effort is to get everyone to be rightly informed and to integrate more. The dealings I've had with travellers has been no different from people I see everyday but like I said the preconceptive views are difficult to see past.[/p][/quote]I would like to take your mind back to when the Tinkers inhabited a site over by Maesglas some years ago. The Council (taxpayers) had a massive bill to clear up the waste. One of their kind, using someone elses wireless connection, poured nothing but scorn on Newport. Calling Newport people scum etc. I think that you have it the wrong way around. There are a few good eggs, but mostly bad ones amongst these sort. The views are not preconcieved, 'the truth is out there'. They are different from other people. They are not interested in becoming part of the community. They choose to be outcasts and I do not see why we, (as taxpayers) should have to accomodate their way of life. Answer me please, what they give back to society in return for helping them?[/p][/quote]What about all the other fly tipping that goes on from 'normal society' and the littering that goes on frequently. This is a cost to the tax payer as well! Welshman76
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7:57pm Thu 25 Oct 12

Welshman76 says...

cwmbran man wrote:
Welshman76 wrote:
I think many of us including me stereotype all the travellers due to what we see on tv and read in papers and the only way to sell papers and get people to watch the tv is to exaggerate and show only the bad side of all humans. Many comments are made without all the facts. The Pontypool traveller site charge £130 per week per pitch so comments about not contributing financially are ill conceived http://www.torfaenho


mes.co.uk/uploads/do


cs/docs_1303392015.d


oc and apparently there is only one portaloo for the whole site. I guess that the travellers are not too keen on integrating into our society when this is how they are treated. It's a very hard subject as I wouldn't want them on my doorstep but can also see that society has demonised the whole lot when maybe there are only a few bad eggs as there are in our society. Most of the reporting in the argus is about crime committed by non travellers!! I think the first effort is to get everyone to be rightly informed and to integrate more. The dealings I've had with travellers has been no different from people I see everyday but like I said the preconceptive views are difficult to see past.
Very funny this one, that 130 is covered by benefits, so effectively, your taxes are paying for them to ruin your environment, classic.
Show me some proof that they pay this with benefits. I've put a balanced view forward and I'll stick to what I've said.
[quote][p][bold]cwmbran man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Welshman76[/bold] wrote: I think many of us including me stereotype all the travellers due to what we see on tv and read in papers and the only way to sell papers and get people to watch the tv is to exaggerate and show only the bad side of all humans. Many comments are made without all the facts. The Pontypool traveller site charge £130 per week per pitch so comments about not contributing financially are ill conceived http://www.torfaenho mes.co.uk/uploads/do cs/docs_1303392015.d oc and apparently there is only one portaloo for the whole site. I guess that the travellers are not too keen on integrating into our society when this is how they are treated. It's a very hard subject as I wouldn't want them on my doorstep but can also see that society has demonised the whole lot when maybe there are only a few bad eggs as there are in our society. Most of the reporting in the argus is about crime committed by non travellers!! I think the first effort is to get everyone to be rightly informed and to integrate more. The dealings I've had with travellers has been no different from people I see everyday but like I said the preconceptive views are difficult to see past.[/p][/quote]Very funny this one, that 130 is covered by benefits, so effectively, your taxes are paying for them to ruin your environment, classic.[/p][/quote]Show me some proof that they pay this with benefits. I've put a balanced view forward and I'll stick to what I've said. Welshman76
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8:05pm Thu 25 Oct 12

Welshman76 says...

Cymru Am Beth wrote:
Welshman76 wrote:
I think many of us including me stereotype all the travellers due to what we see on tv and read in papers and the only way to sell papers and get people to watch the tv is to exaggerate and show only the bad side of all humans. Many comments are made without all the facts. The Pontypool traveller site charge £130 per week per pitch so comments about not contributing financially are ill conceived http://www.torfaenho mes.co.uk/uploads/do cs/docs_1303392015.d oc and apparently there is only one portaloo for the whole site. I guess that the travellers are not too keen on integrating into our society when this is how they are treated. It's a very hard subject as I wouldn't want them on my doorstep but can also see that society has demonised the whole lot when maybe there are only a few bad eggs as there are in our society. Most of the reporting in the argus is about crime committed by non travellers!! I think the first effort is to get everyone to be rightly informed and to integrate more. The dealings I've had with travellers has been no different from people I see everyday but like I said the preconceptive views are difficult to see past.
I would like to take your mind back to when the Tinkers inhabited a site over by Maesglas some years ago.
The Council (taxpayers) had a massive bill to clear up the waste.
One of their kind, using someone elses wireless connection, poured nothing but scorn on Newport.
Calling Newport people scum etc.
I think that you have it the wrong way around.
There are a few good eggs, but mostly bad ones amongst these sort.
The views are not preconcieved, 'the truth is out there'.
They are different from other people.
They are not interested in becoming part of the community. They choose to be outcasts and I do not see why we, (as taxpayers) should have to accomodate their way of life.
Answer me please, what they give back to society in return for helping them?
With regards to your sentence about not being interested in becoming part of our society, I recall an article a few weeks ago where a group of travellers have integrated with the Glaslwch community so proof that some do try. Also I have been grateful for the way that travellers have asked for my scrap metal politely and done me a favour by removing it. There are not just negatives with this group of people! If the rest of society continue to behave and say what they have, there will never be any progress in finding a suitable way forward. Whether we like it or not, gypsies will be in the UK and potentially racist comments are not going to help. A solution needs to be found and I think only the people with the right information can make it.
[quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Welshman76[/bold] wrote: I think many of us including me stereotype all the travellers due to what we see on tv and read in papers and the only way to sell papers and get people to watch the tv is to exaggerate and show only the bad side of all humans. Many comments are made without all the facts. The Pontypool traveller site charge £130 per week per pitch so comments about not contributing financially are ill conceived http://www.torfaenho mes.co.uk/uploads/do cs/docs_1303392015.d oc and apparently there is only one portaloo for the whole site. I guess that the travellers are not too keen on integrating into our society when this is how they are treated. It's a very hard subject as I wouldn't want them on my doorstep but can also see that society has demonised the whole lot when maybe there are only a few bad eggs as there are in our society. Most of the reporting in the argus is about crime committed by non travellers!! I think the first effort is to get everyone to be rightly informed and to integrate more. The dealings I've had with travellers has been no different from people I see everyday but like I said the preconceptive views are difficult to see past.[/p][/quote]I would like to take your mind back to when the Tinkers inhabited a site over by Maesglas some years ago. The Council (taxpayers) had a massive bill to clear up the waste. One of their kind, using someone elses wireless connection, poured nothing but scorn on Newport. Calling Newport people scum etc. I think that you have it the wrong way around. There are a few good eggs, but mostly bad ones amongst these sort. The views are not preconcieved, 'the truth is out there'. They are different from other people. They are not interested in becoming part of the community. They choose to be outcasts and I do not see why we, (as taxpayers) should have to accomodate their way of life. Answer me please, what they give back to society in return for helping them?[/p][/quote]With regards to your sentence about not being interested in becoming part of our society, I recall an article a few weeks ago where a group of travellers have integrated with the Glaslwch community so proof that some do try. Also I have been grateful for the way that travellers have asked for my scrap metal politely and done me a favour by removing it. There are not just negatives with this group of people! If the rest of society continue to behave and say what they have, there will never be any progress in finding a suitable way forward. Whether we like it or not, gypsies will be in the UK and potentially racist comments are not going to help. A solution needs to be found and I think only the people with the right information can make it. Welshman76
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8:10pm Thu 25 Oct 12

James3210 says...

Woodgnome wrote:
James 3210 - all is not lost yet. There have to be further consutations to get planning permission for the sites. Suggest you get on to NCC and tell them you want a proper job on consultation.
I think I might just do that. Not one person I met in the 4 days prior to the end of the "public consultation" thought that there had been any consultation to speak of. The entire "public consultation" has been handled by the Council in a very underhand manner.
[quote][p][bold]Woodgnome[/bold] wrote: James 3210 - all is not lost yet. There have to be further consutations to get planning permission for the sites. Suggest you get on to NCC and tell them you want a proper job on consultation.[/p][/quote]I think I might just do that. Not one person I met in the 4 days prior to the end of the "public consultation" thought that there had been any consultation to speak of. The entire "public consultation" has been handled by the Council in a very underhand manner. James3210
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8:15pm Thu 25 Oct 12

james.dyer7@ntlworld.com says...

welshman ......uuuuumm Please distinguish between travellers and gypsies please. This is the crux of the matter.
welshman ......uuuuumm Please distinguish between travellers and gypsies please. This is the crux of the matter. james.dyer7@ntlworld.com
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9:17pm Thu 25 Oct 12

sunrise123 says...

land+ casto says...
5:30pm Wed 24 Oct 12
Put them in Ringland.they'll soon get fed up of the pilfering that goes on over there and move on.

I find your comments insulting, I know that they are many respectable people that live within the vicinity of Ringland. PS. I have corrected your English grammar.
land+ casto says... 5:30pm Wed 24 Oct 12 Put them in Ringland.they'll soon get fed up of the pilfering that goes on over there and move on. I find your comments insulting, I know that they are many respectable people that live within the vicinity of Ringland. PS. I have corrected your English grammar. sunrise123
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9:37pm Thu 25 Oct 12

emlynkide says...

i said it before and ill say it again there,s a perfect place just outside the civic centre, there,s shops,doctors, schools, every thing they would want.
i said it before and ill say it again there,s a perfect place just outside the civic centre, there,s shops,doctors, schools, every thing they would want. emlynkide
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11:18pm Thu 25 Oct 12

chris227 says...

there is also a nice hard standing outside the welsh assembly building in the bay of plenty having looked down there the facilities are plentiful with no expense spared (just like the towns and the areas they claim to represent!!) there are toilets a canteen and a gift shop.
there is also a nice hard standing outside the welsh assembly building in the bay of plenty having looked down there the facilities are plentiful with no expense spared (just like the towns and the areas they claim to represent!!) there are toilets a canteen and a gift shop. chris227
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12:21am Fri 26 Oct 12

Welshman76 says...

james.dyer7@ntlworld
.com
wrote:
welshman ......uuuuumm Please distinguish between travellers and gypsies please. This is the crux of the matter.
Don't be so pedantic, you know that my posts are in reference to both gypsies and travellers. Everyone is posting as if normal society is angelic and all our problems are caused by travellers/gypsies when in fact most of our issues are caused by the people within our own communities. Try looking at things from having a foot in both camps instead of a biased and often media fuelled nonsensical viewpoint!
[quote][p][bold]james.dyer7@ntlworld .com[/bold] wrote: welshman ......uuuuumm Please distinguish between travellers and gypsies please. This is the crux of the matter.[/p][/quote]Don't be so pedantic, you know that my posts are in reference to both gypsies and travellers. Everyone is posting as if normal society is angelic and all our problems are caused by travellers/gypsies when in fact most of our issues are caused by the people within our own communities. Try looking at things from having a foot in both camps instead of a biased and often media fuelled nonsensical viewpoint! Welshman76
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1:44am Fri 26 Oct 12

james.dyer7@ntlworld.com says...

welshman. - i am not biased, but more realistic. Pedantic is the wrong word. There is a big difference between real gypsies and travellers (who do not travel)I agree normal society is not angelic but most of normal society don't travel around in caravans.I am sorry to disagree with you but they do not help themselves.Both so called travellers and irish tinkers have no place in my book.I don't need a foot in bothjcamps thank you. There are many posting on here which indicate the horrendous behaviour of many of them.
welshman. - i am not biased, but more realistic. Pedantic is the wrong word. There is a big difference between real gypsies and travellers (who do not travel)I agree normal society is not angelic but most of normal society don't travel around in caravans.I am sorry to disagree with you but they do not help themselves.Both so called travellers and irish tinkers have no place in my book.I don't need a foot in bothjcamps thank you. There are many posting on here which indicate the horrendous behaviour of many of them. james.dyer7@ntlworld.com
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9:16am Fri 26 Oct 12

cwmbran man says...

Welshman76 wrote:
james.dyer7@ntlworld

.com
wrote:
welshman ......uuuuumm Please distinguish between travellers and gypsies please. This is the crux of the matter.
Don't be so pedantic, you know that my posts are in reference to both gypsies and travellers. Everyone is posting as if normal society is angelic and all our problems are caused by travellers/gypsies when in fact most of our issues are caused by the people within our own communities. Try looking at things from having a foot in both camps instead of a biased and often media fuelled nonsensical viewpoint!
Of course our societys are not idyllic and we do have home grown problems, however i see no benefit to our communities by importing more problems, crime, anti social behaviour and littering, is there not a piece of land near you that can be made available ?
[quote][p][bold]Welshman76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]james.dyer7@ntlworld .com[/bold] wrote: welshman ......uuuuumm Please distinguish between travellers and gypsies please. This is the crux of the matter.[/p][/quote]Don't be so pedantic, you know that my posts are in reference to both gypsies and travellers. Everyone is posting as if normal society is angelic and all our problems are caused by travellers/gypsies when in fact most of our issues are caused by the people within our own communities. Try looking at things from having a foot in both camps instead of a biased and often media fuelled nonsensical viewpoint![/p][/quote]Of course our societys are not idyllic and we do have home grown problems, however i see no benefit to our communities by importing more problems, crime, anti social behaviour and littering, is there not a piece of land near you that can be made available ? cwmbran man
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9:19am Fri 26 Oct 12

james.dyer7@ntlworld.com says...

cwmbran man - By me? No thanks.
cwmbran man - By me? No thanks. james.dyer7@ntlworld.com
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10:12am Fri 26 Oct 12

Cymru Am Beth says...

Welshman76 wrote:
Cymru Am Beth wrote:
Welshman76 wrote: I think many of us including me stereotype all the travellers due to what we see on tv and read in papers and the only way to sell papers and get people to watch the tv is to exaggerate and show only the bad side of all humans. Many comments are made without all the facts. The Pontypool traveller site charge £130 per week per pitch so comments about not contributing financially are ill conceived http://www.torfaenho mes.co.uk/uploads/do cs/docs_1303392015.d oc and apparently there is only one portaloo for the whole site. I guess that the travellers are not too keen on integrating into our society when this is how they are treated. It's a very hard subject as I wouldn't want them on my doorstep but can also see that society has demonised the whole lot when maybe there are only a few bad eggs as there are in our society. Most of the reporting in the argus is about crime committed by non travellers!! I think the first effort is to get everyone to be rightly informed and to integrate more. The dealings I've had with travellers has been no different from people I see everyday but like I said the preconceptive views are difficult to see past.
I would like to take your mind back to when the Tinkers inhabited a site over by Maesglas some years ago. The Council (taxpayers) had a massive bill to clear up the waste. One of their kind, using someone elses wireless connection, poured nothing but scorn on Newport. Calling Newport people scum etc. I think that you have it the wrong way around. There are a few good eggs, but mostly bad ones amongst these sort. The views are not preconcieved, 'the truth is out there'. They are different from other people. They are not interested in becoming part of the community. They choose to be outcasts and I do not see why we, (as taxpayers) should have to accomodate their way of life. Answer me please, what they give back to society in return for helping them?
What about all the other fly tipping that goes on from 'normal society' and the littering that goes on frequently. This is a cost to the tax payer as well!
I agree, but that is just one of the issues with gypsies.
Anyway, because other people do it, that does not absolve the so-called travellers, who are serial fly tippers and rubbish dumpers.
They do not contribute anything worthwhile to society.
They are not liked and they are not wanted, as evidenced by the overwhelming majority of views expressed here.
If they conformed to society, obeyed the laws of the land and paid their taxes, then there would be no complaints.
[quote][p][bold]Welshman76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Welshman76[/bold] wrote: I think many of us including me stereotype all the travellers due to what we see on tv and read in papers and the only way to sell papers and get people to watch the tv is to exaggerate and show only the bad side of all humans. Many comments are made without all the facts. The Pontypool traveller site charge £130 per week per pitch so comments about not contributing financially are ill conceived http://www.torfaenho mes.co.uk/uploads/do cs/docs_1303392015.d oc and apparently there is only one portaloo for the whole site. I guess that the travellers are not too keen on integrating into our society when this is how they are treated. It's a very hard subject as I wouldn't want them on my doorstep but can also see that society has demonised the whole lot when maybe there are only a few bad eggs as there are in our society. Most of the reporting in the argus is about crime committed by non travellers!! I think the first effort is to get everyone to be rightly informed and to integrate more. The dealings I've had with travellers has been no different from people I see everyday but like I said the preconceptive views are difficult to see past.[/p][/quote]I would like to take your mind back to when the Tinkers inhabited a site over by Maesglas some years ago. The Council (taxpayers) had a massive bill to clear up the waste. One of their kind, using someone elses wireless connection, poured nothing but scorn on Newport. Calling Newport people scum etc. I think that you have it the wrong way around. There are a few good eggs, but mostly bad ones amongst these sort. The views are not preconcieved, 'the truth is out there'. They are different from other people. They are not interested in becoming part of the community. They choose to be outcasts and I do not see why we, (as taxpayers) should have to accomodate their way of life. Answer me please, what they give back to society in return for helping them?[/p][/quote]What about all the other fly tipping that goes on from 'normal society' and the littering that goes on frequently. This is a cost to the tax payer as well![/p][/quote]I agree, but that is just one of the issues with gypsies. Anyway, because other people do it, that does not absolve the so-called travellers, who are serial fly tippers and rubbish dumpers. They do not contribute anything worthwhile to society. They are not liked and they are not wanted, as evidenced by the overwhelming majority of views expressed here. If they conformed to society, obeyed the laws of the land and paid their taxes, then there would be no complaints. Cymru Am Beth
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10:18am Fri 26 Oct 12

Howie' says...

emlynkide wrote:
i said it before and ill say it again there,s a perfect place just outside the civic centre, there,s shops,doctors, schools, every thing they would want.
A strange comment that I assume you are inferring that by placing the site outside of the Civic Centre that it would be putting the problem next to the Councillors. Councillors do not spend a great deal of time in the Civic so would hardly be affected unlike the local residents who live and reside there.
[quote][p][bold]emlynkide[/bold] wrote: i said it before and ill say it again there,s a perfect place just outside the civic centre, there,s shops,doctors, schools, every thing they would want.[/p][/quote]A strange comment that I assume you are inferring that by placing the site outside of the Civic Centre that it would be putting the problem next to the Councillors. Councillors do not spend a great deal of time in the Civic so would hardly be affected unlike the local residents who live and reside there. Howie'
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10:21am Fri 26 Oct 12

Howie' says...

chris227 wrote:
there is also a nice hard standing outside the welsh assembly building in the bay of plenty having looked down there the facilities are plentiful with no expense spared (just like the towns and the areas they claim to represent!!) there are toilets a canteen and a gift shop.
Do try and keep up Chris. Cardiff have already allocated their sites. We are discussing potential Newport sites.
[quote][p][bold]chris227[/bold] wrote: there is also a nice hard standing outside the welsh assembly building in the bay of plenty having looked down there the facilities are plentiful with no expense spared (just like the towns and the areas they claim to represent!!) there are toilets a canteen and a gift shop.[/p][/quote]Do try and keep up Chris. Cardiff have already allocated their sites. We are discussing potential Newport sites. Howie'
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12:06pm Fri 26 Oct 12

Llanmartinangel says...

Welshman, do a bit of your own research then and visit Rover Way or the site north of Bristol. Now I'm not suggesting that these model citizens are in any way responsible for the huge amounts of rubbish and scrap iron dumped all around them, I'm sure some other nasty people sneaked around and did it instead but, just in case they don't turn out to be the charitable, law abiding pillars of society you seem to suggest, can we put them next to your house?
Welshman, do a bit of your own research then and visit Rover Way or the site north of Bristol. Now I'm not suggesting that these model citizens are in any way responsible for the huge amounts of rubbish and scrap iron dumped all around them, I'm sure some other nasty people sneaked around and did it instead but, just in case they don't turn out to be the charitable, law abiding pillars of society you seem to suggest, can we put them next to your house? Llanmartinangel
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1:43pm Fri 26 Oct 12

Llanmartinangel says...

cwmbran man wrote:
It's a shame our country has come to this, where we just are not allowed to tell it as it is, and therefore cure problems as we did decades ago, if this was the 60's we could be honest and say your a bloody nuisance, your unwanted now *iss off before we have you arrested for loitering, litter dropping, theft etc, instead its oh dear the poor gypsys we cant discriminate and tell them to their faces what a complete bloody nuisance they are, because they have rights for this, right to that, well so do i, and i also pay my bills, pay tax, income and council, contribute to my locality, and live my life crime free, perhaps these bloody pikeys will take a leaf out of my book, much more likely though they go about their pilfering ways with all honest residents picking up their tab.
This does go to the very core of it though. The Argus recently carried a story of a guy fined £260.00 for throwing an apple core from his car window, mistakenly thinking that, as it was organic, it would quickly vanish or be of benefit to birds or insects. By contrast, the illegal gypsy encampment at Tredegar house turned the place into a toxic waste dump which cost thousands to clean up and no-one was prosecuted. Funny old world.
[quote][p][bold]cwmbran man[/bold] wrote: It's a shame our country has come to this, where we just are not allowed to tell it as it is, and therefore cure problems as we did decades ago, if this was the 60's we could be honest and say your a bloody nuisance, your unwanted now *iss off before we have you arrested for loitering, litter dropping, theft etc, instead its oh dear the poor gypsys we cant discriminate and tell them to their faces what a complete bloody nuisance they are, because they have rights for this, right to that, well so do i, and i also pay my bills, pay tax, income and council, contribute to my locality, and live my life crime free, perhaps these bloody pikeys will take a leaf out of my book, much more likely though they go about their pilfering ways with all honest residents picking up their tab.[/p][/quote]This does go to the very core of it though. The Argus recently carried a story of a guy fined £260.00 for throwing an apple core from his car window, mistakenly thinking that, as it was organic, it would quickly vanish or be of benefit to birds or insects. By contrast, the illegal gypsy encampment at Tredegar house turned the place into a toxic waste dump which cost thousands to clean up and no-one was prosecuted. Funny old world. Llanmartinangel
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4:33pm Fri 26 Oct 12

aevs74 says...

Welshgirl91 wrote:
I understand that people don't want to live by travellers but if I just took the time to get to no some of them then u could comment not all travellers are bad I have a couple of friends that are travellers and I myself am not one so it just goes to show that they are not all what you think they are even they need somewhere to stay have u ever thought that they want to stay together and are fed up of being moved maybe you should think about that before you winge if they do move and cause trouble then complain what's the point in winging now they got to go somewhere
Travellers can be and maybe your friends are ex students who are too lazy to work and like to smoke the funny stuff. Gypsies on the other hand are a totally different thing. I have had first hand experience of dealing with them and it is not pleasant. They don't have any respect for anyone or anything, they make most of the reprobates we read about on this website look like model citizens.
[quote][p][bold]Welshgirl91[/bold] wrote: I understand that people don't want to live by travellers but if I just took the time to get to no some of them then u could comment not all travellers are bad I have a couple of friends that are travellers and I myself am not one so it just goes to show that they are not all what you think they are even they need somewhere to stay have u ever thought that they want to stay together and are fed up of being moved maybe you should think about that before you winge if they do move and cause trouble then complain what's the point in winging now they got to go somewhere[/p][/quote]Travellers can be and maybe your friends are ex students who are too lazy to work and like to smoke the funny stuff. Gypsies on the other hand are a totally different thing. I have had first hand experience of dealing with them and it is not pleasant. They don't have any respect for anyone or anything, they make most of the reprobates we read about on this website look like model citizens. aevs74
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4:41pm Fri 26 Oct 12

Cymru Am Beth says...

cwmbran man wrote:
It's a shame our country has come to this, where we just are not allowed to tell it as it is, and therefore cure problems as we did decades ago, if this was the 60's we could be honest and say your a bloody nuisance, your unwanted now *iss off before we have you arrested for loitering, litter dropping, theft etc, instead its oh dear the poor gypsys we cant discriminate and tell them to their faces what a complete bloody nuisance they are, because they have rights for this, right to that, well so do i, and i also pay my bills, pay tax, income and council, contribute to my locality, and live my life crime free, perhaps these bloody pikeys will take a leaf out of my book, much more likely though they go about their pilfering ways with all honest residents picking up their tab.
Quite right.
If you tell the truth, you are branded a racist or unsympathetic.
As the saying goes though, 'the truth hurts'.
[quote][p][bold]cwmbran man[/bold] wrote: It's a shame our country has come to this, where we just are not allowed to tell it as it is, and therefore cure problems as we did decades ago, if this was the 60's we could be honest and say your a bloody nuisance, your unwanted now *iss off before we have you arrested for loitering, litter dropping, theft etc, instead its oh dear the poor gypsys we cant discriminate and tell them to their faces what a complete bloody nuisance they are, because they have rights for this, right to that, well so do i, and i also pay my bills, pay tax, income and council, contribute to my locality, and live my life crime free, perhaps these bloody pikeys will take a leaf out of my book, much more likely though they go about their pilfering ways with all honest residents picking up their tab.[/p][/quote]Quite right. If you tell the truth, you are branded a racist or unsympathetic. As the saying goes though, 'the truth hurts'. Cymru Am Beth
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5:03pm Fri 26 Oct 12

cwmbran man says...

Cymru beth, you forgot bigots, they will call us anything to prevent debate and common sense solutions.
Cymru beth, you forgot bigots, they will call us anything to prevent debate and common sense solutions. cwmbran man
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9:12pm Fri 26 Oct 12

ka5hya says...

What exactly are we getting out of the council? we pay our tax each month to basically have our rubbish removed twice a month. The street lighting in our area now gets switched off at 21.30 hours, incidently 2 cars have now been broken into. I have not seen a street cleaner in months, and the leaf fall season is again upon us, but no one is removing these hazards. I read this article and wonder how much this/these sites are going to cost the council and will they be raising the tax accordingly in April 2013 to offset the cost. Again we are paying for something that will never benefit the people who pay their council tax.
What exactly are we getting out of the council? we pay our tax each month to basically have our rubbish removed twice a month. The street lighting in our area now gets switched off at 21.30 hours, incidently 2 cars have now been broken into. I have not seen a street cleaner in months, and the leaf fall season is again upon us, but no one is removing these hazards. I read this article and wonder how much this/these sites are going to cost the council and will they be raising the tax accordingly in April 2013 to offset the cost. Again we are paying for something that will never benefit the people who pay their council tax. ka5hya
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10:11pm Fri 26 Oct 12

sunrise123 says...

I really don't have any problem with Newport making an official traveller site. At least if it was official, they would have to keep it clean and not be able to leave the mess they usually do... What I do take offence at is the lack of NI contributions and tax paid by travellers.... Perhaps Newport could put a Tax inspector and someone from the DWP on the gate of the site to check exactly who is using it.... After all if you expect my council to provide you with something, you had better be putting something in the pot that pays for it....
I really don't have any problem with Newport making an official traveller site. At least if it was official, they would have to keep it clean and not be able to leave the mess they usually do... What I do take offence at is the lack of NI contributions and tax paid by travellers.... Perhaps Newport could put a Tax inspector and someone from the DWP on the gate of the site to check exactly who is using it.... After all if you expect my council to provide you with something, you had better be putting something in the pot that pays for it.... sunrise123
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11:29pm Fri 26 Oct 12

chris227 says...

is this a ruling from westminster or those clowns down the WAG
is this a ruling from westminster or those clowns down the WAG chris227
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2:10am Sat 27 Oct 12

Howie' says...

chris227 wrote:
is this a ruling from westminster or those clowns down the WAG
Chris where have you been. This is a legal requirement passed by the UK Government, do try and keep up.
[quote][p][bold]chris227[/bold] wrote: is this a ruling from westminster or those clowns down the WAG[/p][/quote]Chris where have you been. This is a legal requirement passed by the UK Government, do try and keep up. Howie'
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8:56am Sat 27 Oct 12

Cymru Am Beth says...

sunrise123 wrote:
I really don't have any problem with Newport making an official traveller site. At least if it was official, they would have to keep it clean and not be able to leave the mess they usually do... What I do take offence at is the lack of NI contributions and tax paid by travellers.... Perhaps Newport could put a Tax inspector and someone from the DWP on the gate of the site to check exactly who is using it.... After all if you expect my council to provide you with something, you had better be putting something in the pot that pays for it....
I think you will find that these officials would be too scared to do what you suggest.
These people are known to be very violent if you upset them and like to be left alone to carry out their illegal activities in peace, without intereference from the authorities.
I am afraid that there is a law for them and another law for the rest of us.
I would like to find out when or if for that matter, the HMRC last visited that well known fortification at Rover Way.
[quote][p][bold]sunrise123[/bold] wrote: I really don't have any problem with Newport making an official traveller site. At least if it was official, they would have to keep it clean and not be able to leave the mess they usually do... What I do take offence at is the lack of NI contributions and tax paid by travellers.... Perhaps Newport could put a Tax inspector and someone from the DWP on the gate of the site to check exactly who is using it.... After all if you expect my council to provide you with something, you had better be putting something in the pot that pays for it....[/p][/quote]I think you will find that these officials would be too scared to do what you suggest. These people are known to be very violent if you upset them and like to be left alone to carry out their illegal activities in peace, without intereference from the authorities. I am afraid that there is a law for them and another law for the rest of us. I would like to find out when or if for that matter, the HMRC last visited that well known fortification at Rover Way. Cymru Am Beth
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10:14am Sat 27 Oct 12

sunrise123 says...

Cymru Am Beth wrote:
sunrise123 wrote:
I really don't have any problem with Newport making an official traveller site. At least if it was official, they would have to keep it clean and not be able to leave the mess they usually do... What I do take offence at is the lack of NI contributions and tax paid by travellers.... Perhaps Newport could put a Tax inspector and someone from the DWP on the gate of the site to check exactly who is using it.... After all if you expect my council to provide you with something, you had better be putting something in the pot that pays for it....
I think you will find that these officials would be too scared to do what you suggest.
These people are known to be very violent if you upset them and like to be left alone to carry out their illegal activities in peace, without intereference from the authorities.
I am afraid that there is a law for them and another law for the rest of us.
I would like to find out when or if for that matter, the HMRC last visited that well known fortification at Rover Way.
I think you will find there is only one law of the land. To say they will get violent is a cop-out. Football fans get violent and the authorities manage to police them...
I stand by what I said....
If they want official sites they have to obey the laws we have....
[quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sunrise123[/bold] wrote: I really don't have any problem with Newport making an official traveller site. At least if it was official, they would have to keep it clean and not be able to leave the mess they usually do... What I do take offence at is the lack of NI contributions and tax paid by travellers.... Perhaps Newport could put a Tax inspector and someone from the DWP on the gate of the site to check exactly who is using it.... After all if you expect my council to provide you with something, you had better be putting something in the pot that pays for it....[/p][/quote]I think you will find that these officials would be too scared to do what you suggest. These people are known to be very violent if you upset them and like to be left alone to carry out their illegal activities in peace, without intereference from the authorities. I am afraid that there is a law for them and another law for the rest of us. I would like to find out when or if for that matter, the HMRC last visited that well known fortification at Rover Way.[/p][/quote]I think you will find there is only one law of the land. To say they will get violent is a cop-out. Football fans get violent and the authorities manage to police them... I stand by what I said.... If they want official sites they have to obey the laws we have.... sunrise123
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11:40am Sat 27 Oct 12

Llanmartinangel says...

sunrise123 wrote:
Cymru Am Beth wrote:
sunrise123 wrote:
I really don't have any problem with Newport making an official traveller site. At least if it was official, they would have to keep it clean and not be able to leave the mess they usually do... What I do take offence at is the lack of NI contributions and tax paid by travellers.... Perhaps Newport could put a Tax inspector and someone from the DWP on the gate of the site to check exactly who is using it.... After all if you expect my council to provide you with something, you had better be putting something in the pot that pays for it....
I think you will find that these officials would be too scared to do what you suggest.
These people are known to be very violent if you upset them and like to be left alone to carry out their illegal activities in peace, without intereference from the authorities.
I am afraid that there is a law for them and another law for the rest of us.
I would like to find out when or if for that matter, the HMRC last visited that well known fortification at Rover Way.
I think you will find there is only one law of the land. To say they will get violent is a cop-out. Football fans get violent and the authorities manage to police them...
I stand by what I said....
If they want official sites they have to obey the laws we have....
That's all fine and dandy if the authorities will deal with it. They won't. Like I said, man throws apple core, gets £230 fine, gypsies trash Tredegar House field and no-one gets so much as a slap on the wrist. Once they get their sites they will run true to form.
[quote][p][bold]sunrise123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sunrise123[/bold] wrote: I really don't have any problem with Newport making an official traveller site. At least if it was official, they would have to keep it clean and not be able to leave the mess they usually do... What I do take offence at is the lack of NI contributions and tax paid by travellers.... Perhaps Newport could put a Tax inspector and someone from the DWP on the gate of the site to check exactly who is using it.... After all if you expect my council to provide you with something, you had better be putting something in the pot that pays for it....[/p][/quote]I think you will find that these officials would be too scared to do what you suggest. These people are known to be very violent if you upset them and like to be left alone to carry out their illegal activities in peace, without intereference from the authorities. I am afraid that there is a law for them and another law for the rest of us. I would like to find out when or if for that matter, the HMRC last visited that well known fortification at Rover Way.[/p][/quote]I think you will find there is only one law of the land. To say they will get violent is a cop-out. Football fans get violent and the authorities manage to police them... I stand by what I said.... If they want official sites they have to obey the laws we have....[/p][/quote]That's all fine and dandy if the authorities will deal with it. They won't. Like I said, man throws apple core, gets £230 fine, gypsies trash Tredegar House field and no-one gets so much as a slap on the wrist. Once they get their sites they will run true to form. Llanmartinangel
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5:41pm Sat 27 Oct 12

Welshman76 says...

Unless there is a site for them then they will continue to park up where they feel like and cause a mess on playing fields, lay bys etc. by having a site it would be much easier to move them on if they park illegally as there would be provision. It also doesn't matter whether we like them or not because the only way to get rid of them would be by ethnic cleansing, we have to find a way of giving them less excuses for the way they behave otherwise they will rock up wherever they feel like and cost taxpayers more than necessary
Unless there is a site for them then they will continue to park up where they feel like and cause a mess on playing fields, lay bys etc. by having a site it would be much easier to move them on if they park illegally as there would be provision. It also doesn't matter whether we like them or not because the only way to get rid of them would be by ethnic cleansing, we have to find a way of giving them less excuses for the way they behave otherwise they will rock up wherever they feel like and cost taxpayers more than necessary Welshman76
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7:11am Sun 28 Oct 12

Llanmartinangel says...

Welshman76 wrote:
Unless there is a site for them then they will continue to park up where they feel like and cause a mess on playing fields, lay bys etc. by having a site it would be much easier to move them on if they park illegally as there would be provision. It also doesn't matter whether we like them or not because the only way to get rid of them would be by ethnic cleansing, we have to find a way of giving them less excuses for the way they behave otherwise they will rock up wherever they feel like and cost taxpayers more than necessary
In the council's own report, it declines Plover Close as a site because of the possible impact on the sale of new houses at the entrance to Llaneern steelworks. So even the council are admitting that the proximity to a site wrecks house values. They clearly want the new council tax revenue from those housing. They are less bothered that people who've already bought houses can have their lives destroyed. That is the issue here. I would change the law to confiscate illegally parked vans like they do with untaxed vehicles.
[quote][p][bold]Welshman76[/bold] wrote: Unless there is a site for them then they will continue to park up where they feel like and cause a mess on playing fields, lay bys etc. by having a site it would be much easier to move them on if they park illegally as there would be provision. It also doesn't matter whether we like them or not because the only way to get rid of them would be by ethnic cleansing, we have to find a way of giving them less excuses for the way they behave otherwise they will rock up wherever they feel like and cost taxpayers more than necessary[/p][/quote]In the council's own report, it declines Plover Close as a site because of the possible impact on the sale of new houses at the entrance to Llaneern steelworks. So even the council are admitting that the proximity to a site wrecks house values. They clearly want the new council tax revenue from those housing. They are less bothered that people who've already bought houses can have their lives destroyed. That is the issue here. I would change the law to confiscate illegally parked vans like they do with untaxed vehicles. Llanmartinangel
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8:19am Tue 30 Oct 12

Cymru Am Beth says...

sunrise123 wrote:
Cymru Am Beth wrote:
sunrise123 wrote: I really don't have any problem with Newport making an official traveller site. At least if it was official, they would have to keep it clean and not be able to leave the mess they usually do... What I do take offence at is the lack of NI contributions and tax paid by travellers.... Perhaps Newport could put a Tax inspector and someone from the DWP on the gate of the site to check exactly who is using it.... After all if you expect my council to provide you with something, you had better be putting something in the pot that pays for it....
I think you will find that these officials would be too scared to do what you suggest. These people are known to be very violent if you upset them and like to be left alone to carry out their illegal activities in peace, without intereference from the authorities. I am afraid that there is a law for them and another law for the rest of us. I would like to find out when or if for that matter, the HMRC last visited that well known fortification at Rover Way.
I think you will find there is only one law of the land. To say they will get violent is a cop-out. Football fans get violent and the authorities manage to police them... I stand by what I said.... If they want official sites they have to obey the laws we have....
They may manage footballl fans, but the fact remains that if you upset these people they will exact revenge on you one way or another.
I agree also it is a 'cop out'.
That is the authorities 'cop out' of doing anything that would upset them for fear of being branded racist etc.
[quote][p][bold]sunrise123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sunrise123[/bold] wrote: I really don't have any problem with Newport making an official traveller site. At least if it was official, they would have to keep it clean and not be able to leave the mess they usually do... What I do take offence at is the lack of NI contributions and tax paid by travellers.... Perhaps Newport could put a Tax inspector and someone from the DWP on the gate of the site to check exactly who is using it.... After all if you expect my council to provide you with something, you had better be putting something in the pot that pays for it....[/p][/quote]I think you will find that these officials would be too scared to do what you suggest. These people are known to be very violent if you upset them and like to be left alone to carry out their illegal activities in peace, without intereference from the authorities. I am afraid that there is a law for them and another law for the rest of us. I would like to find out when or if for that matter, the HMRC last visited that well known fortification at Rover Way.[/p][/quote]I think you will find there is only one law of the land. To say they will get violent is a cop-out. Football fans get violent and the authorities manage to police them... I stand by what I said.... If they want official sites they have to obey the laws we have....[/p][/quote]They may manage footballl fans, but the fact remains that if you upset these people they will exact revenge on you one way or another. I agree also it is a 'cop out'. That is the authorities 'cop out' of doing anything that would upset them for fear of being branded racist etc. Cymru Am Beth
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