Five options for Newport gipsy sites revealed (From South Wales Argus)

Keith Barnett wrote:
How come they don't nominate somewhere like Goldtops or nicer areas of Newport? I wonder??

Independentvoter wrote:
When the sites are finally agreed on and built, I hope that there are strict rules imposed on these sites where, if anyone from the travelling community is found guilty of stealing from local neighbourhoods or dumping illegal waste in country lanes, unruly behaviour or the theft of scrap metal, etc etc etc then they will be removed from site and banned from returning to Newport for a substantial amount of time.

Llanmartinangel wrote:
Pigs might fly. Travel around the proximity of any site, official or otherwise and you'll see that they do as they want. The authorities are terrified of dealing with it. Check out Rover Way in Cardiff or the site north of Bristol.

Outthere wrote:
Can anyone answer this? Do gypsies pay Council Tax and Water Rates, if not then why is my money being used to create sites that will not be looked after and bring down the local area that they will be sited and how are they allowed to tap into the mains water. If I dont pay my Tax and Rates I will be fined and my water would be switched off. May be selling up and being a gypsie is the way forward. They seem to be better off.

Welshgirl91 wrote:
I understand that people don't want to live by travellers but if I just took the time to get to no some of them then u could comment not all travellers are bad I have a couple of friends that are travellers and I myself am not one so it just goes to show that they are not all what you think they are even they need somewhere to stay have u ever thought that they want to stay together and are fed up of being moved maybe you should think about that before you winge if they do move and cause trouble then complain what's the point in winging now they got to go somewhere

james.dyer7@ntlworld
.com wrote:
welshgirl - You would know if they lived next door to you. Ok dont buy a house. Find a site and buy it.

Welshgirl91 wrote:
Think of it this way if you was a gypsy or a traveller that didn't cause trouble and wanted to settle down as a family but has been moved so many times because of the reputation other travellers have how would you feel

Keith Barnett wrote:
How come they don't nominate somewhere like Goldtops or nicer areas of Newport?
I wonder??

Howie' wrote:

Keith Barnett wrote:
How come they don't nominate somewhere like Goldtops or nicer areas of Newport?
I wonder??

What part of Goldtops is not either tarmacked or built on? bit difficult to see where they could put a site in that area. Allt-Yr-Yn of course is on the list but they have an area in Brickyard Lane which has been used as a small Gypsy site for several years now, where the residents have settled in to the local community without any problems.

Jones 707 wrote:
Have they gone stark raving mad. The A449 is a gateway to the city and opposite the Celtic Manor who still have plans for major investments. Would appear Labour are up to their old tricks again. Hope Terry doesn't pull the plug, because if he did, that would be millions of pounds, and job losses we can ill afford.

amandaajd1 wrote:
I think some people commenting, have to remember why travellers/ gypsies have the name they do...and why nobody wants them living in the area they live in...they have brought it all on themselves....do u think that if they were nice trust worthy friendly people...people would be petitioning against having sites near their homes....read most of the above comments...there is not many people want them near their homes.,

james.dyer7@ntlworld
.com wrote:
pinpong - your comments make no sense. What do you mean? All the sites except Ringland are in Tory areas. Bob Bright is Council leader adn Newport is Labour. So what do you mean?

wagtail wrote:
All three labour councillors in Ringland were contacted by many local residents to follow the lead set by the Langstone community,
Now I know why these so called councillors did NOTHING !!!!!
The report says a yard off the A449 is earmarked, ain't this the dual carriageway between the Coldra & Raglan.
Mr Terry Matthews v Mr Bob Bright. Any odds offered ??????

casto wrote:
put them in ringland.theyll soon get fed up of the pilfering that goes on over there.and move on

Keith Barnett wrote:
It's born and BRED not bread!

Welshman76 wrote:
I think many of us including me stereotype all the travellers due to what we see on tv and read in papers and the only way to sell papers and get people to watch the tv is to exaggerate and show only the bad side of all humans. Many comments are made without all the facts. The Pontypool traveller site charge £130 per week per pitch so comments about not contributing financially are ill conceived http://www.torfaenho mes.co.uk/uploads/do cs/docs_1303392015.d oc and apparently there is only one portaloo for the whole site. I guess that the travellers are not too keen on integrating into our society when this is how they are treated. It's a very hard subject as I wouldn't want them on my doorstep but can also see that society has demonised the whole lot when maybe there are only a few bad eggs as there are in our society. Most of the reporting in the argus is about crime committed by non travellers!! I think the first effort is to get everyone to be rightly informed and to integrate more. The dealings I've had with travellers has been no different from people I see everyday but like I said the preconceptive views are difficult to see past.

Welshman76 wrote:
I think many of us including me stereotype all the travellers due to what we see on tv and read in papers and the only way to sell papers and get people to watch the tv is to exaggerate and show only the bad side of all humans. Many comments are made without all the facts. The Pontypool traveller site charge £130 per week per pitch so comments about not contributing financially are ill conceived http://www.torfaenho

mes.co.uk/uploads/do

cs/docs_1303392015.d

oc and apparently there is only one portaloo for the whole site. I guess that the travellers are not too keen on integrating into our society when this is how they are treated. It's a very hard subject as I wouldn't want them on my doorstep but can also see that society has demonised the whole lot when maybe there are only a few bad eggs as there are in our society. Most of the reporting in the argus is about crime committed by non travellers!! I think the first effort is to get everyone to be rightly informed and to integrate more. The dealings I've had with travellers has been no different from people I see everyday but like I said the preconceptive views are difficult to see past.

pinpong wrote:
It seems to me that all the tory councillors got out and represented their residents whilst the three ringland ones, Bobby Bright, Emma Corten and Malocolm Linton did nothing. Well Ringland if you vote labour you get poor representation. You have two sites in your area.

cwmbran man wrote:
As we live in a democracy, and most people dont want them around, find them somewhere out the way and forcibly site them there or nowhere, stop pandering to the rabble and look after the council tax payers.

Llanmartinangel wrote:
Pigs might fly. Travel around the proximity of any site, official or otherwise and you'll see that they do as they want. The authorities are terrified of dealing with it. Check out Rover Way in Cardiff or the site north of Bristol.

Cymru Am Beth wrote:

Welshman76 wrote:
I think many of us including me stereotype all the travellers due to what we see on tv and read in papers and the only way to sell papers and get people to watch the tv is to exaggerate and show only the bad side of all humans. Many comments are made without all the facts. The Pontypool traveller site charge £130 per week per pitch so comments about not contributing financially are ill conceived http://www.torfaenho mes.co.uk/uploads/do cs/docs_1303392015.d oc and apparently there is only one portaloo for the whole site. I guess that the travellers are not too keen on integrating into our society when this is how they are treated. It's a very hard subject as I wouldn't want them on my doorstep but can also see that society has demonised the whole lot when maybe there are only a few bad eggs as there are in our society. Most of the reporting in the argus is about crime committed by non travellers!! I think the first effort is to get everyone to be rightly informed and to integrate more. The dealings I've had with travellers has been no different from people I see everyday but like I said the preconceptive views are difficult to see past.

I would like to take your mind back to when the Tinkers inhabited a site over by Maesglas some years ago.
The Council (taxpayers) had a massive bill to clear up the waste.
One of their kind, using someone elses wireless connection, poured nothing but scorn on Newport.
Calling Newport people scum etc.
I think that you have it the wrong way around.
There are a few good eggs, but mostly bad ones amongst these sort.
The views are not preconcieved, 'the truth is out there'.
They are different from other people.
They are not interested in becoming part of the community. They choose to be outcasts and I do not see why we, (as taxpayers) should have to accomodate their way of life.
Answer me please, what they give back to society in return for helping them?

cwmbran man wrote:

Welshman76 wrote:
I think many of us including me stereotype all the travellers due to what we see on tv and read in papers and the only way to sell papers and get people to watch the tv is to exaggerate and show only the bad side of all humans. Many comments are made without all the facts. The Pontypool traveller site charge £130 per week per pitch so comments about not contributing financially are ill conceived http://www.torfaenho


mes.co.uk/uploads/do


cs/docs_1303392015.d


oc and apparently there is only one portaloo for the whole site. I guess that the travellers are not too keen on integrating into our society when this is how they are treated. It's a very hard subject as I wouldn't want them on my doorstep but can also see that society has demonised the whole lot when maybe there are only a few bad eggs as there are in our society. Most of the reporting in the argus is about crime committed by non travellers!! I think the first effort is to get everyone to be rightly informed and to integrate more. The dealings I've had with travellers has been no different from people I see everyday but like I said the preconceptive views are difficult to see past.

Very funny this one, that 130 is covered by benefits, so effectively, your taxes are paying for them to ruin your environment, classic.

Cymru Am Beth wrote:

Welshman76 wrote:
I think many of us including me stereotype all the travellers due to what we see on tv and read in papers and the only way to sell papers and get people to watch the tv is to exaggerate and show only the bad side of all humans. Many comments are made without all the facts. The Pontypool traveller site charge £130 per week per pitch so comments about not contributing financially are ill conceived http://www.torfaenho mes.co.uk/uploads/do cs/docs_1303392015.d oc and apparently there is only one portaloo for the whole site. I guess that the travellers are not too keen on integrating into our society when this is how they are treated. It's a very hard subject as I wouldn't want them on my doorstep but can also see that society has demonised the whole lot when maybe there are only a few bad eggs as there are in our society. Most of the reporting in the argus is about crime committed by non travellers!! I think the first effort is to get everyone to be rightly informed and to integrate more. The dealings I've had with travellers has been no different from people I see everyday but like I said the preconceptive views are difficult to see past.

I would like to take your mind back to when the Tinkers inhabited a site over by Maesglas some years ago.
The Council (taxpayers) had a massive bill to clear up the waste.
One of their kind, using someone elses wireless connection, poured nothing but scorn on Newport.
Calling Newport people scum etc.
I think that you have it the wrong way around.
There are a few good eggs, but mostly bad ones amongst these sort.
The views are not preconcieved, 'the truth is out there'.
They are different from other people.
They are not interested in becoming part of the community. They choose to be outcasts and I do not see why we, (as taxpayers) should have to accomodate their way of life.
Answer me please, what they give back to society in return for helping them?

Woodgnome wrote:
James 3210 - all is not lost yet. There have to be further consutations to get planning permission for the sites. Suggest you get on to NCC and tell them you want a proper job on consultation.

james.dyer7@ntlworld
.com wrote:
welshman ......uuuuumm Please distinguish between travellers and gypsies please. This is the crux of the matter.

Welshman76 wrote:

james.dyer7@ntlworld

.com wrote:
welshman ......uuuuumm Please distinguish between travellers and gypsies please. This is the crux of the matter.

Don't be so pedantic, you know that my posts are in reference to both gypsies and travellers. Everyone is posting as if normal society is angelic and all our problems are caused by travellers/gypsies when in fact most of our issues are caused by the people within our own communities. Try looking at things from having a foot in both camps instead of a biased and often media fuelled nonsensical viewpoint!

Welshman76 wrote:

Cymru Am Beth wrote:

Welshman76 wrote: I think many of us including me stereotype all the travellers due to what we see on tv and read in papers and the only way to sell papers and get people to watch the tv is to exaggerate and show only the bad side of all humans. Many comments are made without all the facts. The Pontypool traveller site charge £130 per week per pitch so comments about not contributing financially are ill conceived http://www.torfaenho mes.co.uk/uploads/do cs/docs_1303392015.d oc and apparently there is only one portaloo for the whole site. I guess that the travellers are not too keen on integrating into our society when this is how they are treated. It's a very hard subject as I wouldn't want them on my doorstep but can also see that society has demonised the whole lot when maybe there are only a few bad eggs as there are in our society. Most of the reporting in the argus is about crime committed by non travellers!! I think the first effort is to get everyone to be rightly informed and to integrate more. The dealings I've had with travellers has been no different from people I see everyday but like I said the preconceptive views are difficult to see past.

I would like to take your mind back to when the Tinkers inhabited a site over by Maesglas some years ago. The Council (taxpayers) had a massive bill to clear up the waste. One of their kind, using someone elses wireless connection, poured nothing but scorn on Newport. Calling Newport people scum etc. I think that you have it the wrong way around. There are a few good eggs, but mostly bad ones amongst these sort. The views are not preconcieved, 'the truth is out there'. They are different from other people. They are not interested in becoming part of the community. They choose to be outcasts and I do not see why we, (as taxpayers) should have to accomodate their way of life. Answer me please, what they give back to society in return for helping them?

What about all the other fly tipping that goes on from 'normal society' and the littering that goes on frequently. This is a cost to the tax payer as well!

emlynkide wrote:
i said it before and ill say it again there,s a perfect place just outside the civic centre, there,s shops,doctors, schools, every thing they would want.

chris227 wrote:
there is also a nice hard standing outside the welsh assembly building in the bay of plenty having looked down there the facilities are plentiful with no expense spared (just like the towns and the areas they claim to represent!!) there are toilets a canteen and a gift shop.

cwmbran man wrote:
It's a shame our country has come to this, where we just are not allowed to tell it as it is, and therefore cure problems as we did decades ago, if this was the 60's we could be honest and say your a bloody nuisance, your unwanted now *iss off before we have you arrested for loitering, litter dropping, theft etc, instead its oh dear the poor gypsys we cant discriminate and tell them to their faces what a complete bloody nuisance they are, because they have rights for this, right to that, well so do i, and i also pay my bills, pay tax, income and council, contribute to my locality, and live my life crime free, perhaps these bloody pikeys will take a leaf out of my book, much more likely though they go about their pilfering ways with all honest residents picking up their tab.

Welshgirl91 wrote:
I understand that people don't want to live by travellers but if I just took the time to get to no some of them then u could comment not all travellers are bad I have a couple of friends that are travellers and I myself am not one so it just goes to show that they are not all what you think they are even they need somewhere to stay have u ever thought that they want to stay together and are fed up of being moved maybe you should think about that before you winge if they do move and cause trouble then complain what's the point in winging now they got to go somewhere

cwmbran man wrote:
It's a shame our country has come to this, where we just are not allowed to tell it as it is, and therefore cure problems as we did decades ago, if this was the 60's we could be honest and say your a bloody nuisance, your unwanted now *iss off before we have you arrested for loitering, litter dropping, theft etc, instead its oh dear the poor gypsys we cant discriminate and tell them to their faces what a complete bloody nuisance they are, because they have rights for this, right to that, well so do i, and i also pay my bills, pay tax, income and council, contribute to my locality, and live my life crime free, perhaps these bloody pikeys will take a leaf out of my book, much more likely though they go about their pilfering ways with all honest residents picking up their tab.

chris227 wrote:
is this a ruling from westminster or those clowns down the WAG

sunrise123 wrote:
I really don't have any problem with Newport making an official traveller site. At least if it was official, they would have to keep it clean and not be able to leave the mess they usually do... What I do take offence at is the lack of NI contributions and tax paid by travellers.... Perhaps Newport could put a Tax inspector and someone from the DWP on the gate of the site to check exactly who is using it.... After all if you expect my council to provide you with something, you had better be putting something in the pot that pays for it....

Cymru Am Beth wrote:

sunrise123 wrote:
I really don't have any problem with Newport making an official traveller site. At least if it was official, they would have to keep it clean and not be able to leave the mess they usually do... What I do take offence at is the lack of NI contributions and tax paid by travellers.... Perhaps Newport could put a Tax inspector and someone from the DWP on the gate of the site to check exactly who is using it.... After all if you expect my council to provide you with something, you had better be putting something in the pot that pays for it....

I think you will find that these officials would be too scared to do what you suggest.
These people are known to be very violent if you upset them and like to be left alone to carry out their illegal activities in peace, without intereference from the authorities.
I am afraid that there is a law for them and another law for the rest of us.
I would like to find out when or if for that matter, the HMRC last visited that well known fortification at Rover Way.

sunrise123 wrote:

Cymru Am Beth wrote:

sunrise123 wrote:
I really don't have any problem with Newport making an official traveller site. At least if it was official, they would have to keep it clean and not be able to leave the mess they usually do... What I do take offence at is the lack of NI contributions and tax paid by travellers.... Perhaps Newport could put a Tax inspector and someone from the DWP on the gate of the site to check exactly who is using it.... After all if you expect my council to provide you with something, you had better be putting something in the pot that pays for it....

I think you will find that these officials would be too scared to do what you suggest.
These people are known to be very violent if you upset them and like to be left alone to carry out their illegal activities in peace, without intereference from the authorities.
I am afraid that there is a law for them and another law for the rest of us.
I would like to find out when or if for that matter, the HMRC last visited that well known fortification at Rover Way.

I think you will find there is only one law of the land. To say they will get violent is a cop-out. Football fans get violent and the authorities manage to police them...
I stand by what I said....
If they want official sites they have to obey the laws we have....

Welshman76 wrote:
Unless there is a site for them then they will continue to park up where they feel like and cause a mess on playing fields, lay bys etc. by having a site it would be much easier to move them on if they park illegally as there would be provision. It also doesn't matter whether we like them or not because the only way to get rid of them would be by ethnic cleansing, we have to find a way of giving them less excuses for the way they behave otherwise they will rock up wherever they feel like and cost taxpayers more than necessary

sunrise123 wrote:

Cymru Am Beth wrote:

sunrise123 wrote: I really don't have any problem with Newport making an official traveller site. At least if it was official, they would have to keep it clean and not be able to leave the mess they usually do... What I do take offence at is the lack of NI contributions and tax paid by travellers.... Perhaps Newport could put a Tax inspector and someone from the DWP on the gate of the site to check exactly who is using it.... After all if you expect my council to provide you with something, you had better be putting something in the pot that pays for it....

I think you will find that these officials would be too scared to do what you suggest. These people are known to be very violent if you upset them and like to be left alone to carry out their illegal activities in peace, without intereference from the authorities. I am afraid that there is a law for them and another law for the rest of us. I would like to find out when or if for that matter, the HMRC last visited that well known fortification at Rover Way.

I think you will find there is only one law of the land. To say they will get violent is a cop-out. Football fans get violent and the authorities manage to police them... I stand by what I said.... If they want official sites they have to obey the laws we have....