Vandals force historic steam train out of Newport

South Wales Argus: ON THE MOVE: The locomotive which stands alongside the river in Newport ON THE MOVE: The locomotive which stands alongside the river in Newport

A VINTAGE locomotive which stands on Newport’s riverfront is being given away to a new home in Blaenavon.

The Forester locomotive and truck, on Kingsway, is popular among children and train enthusiasts.

But over the years, the council has been forced to shell out time and again on repairing and maintaining the engine, as it was subject to repeated vandalism. The repairs total is believed to be in excess of £10,000.

As a result, the authority has donated it to the Pontypool and Blaenavon Railway. There it will be restored and may even be put back into use.

The locomotive has no connection with Newport, but was refurbished by its former owner British Steel and put on display opposite the bus station to represent Newport’s coal and steel industry. Built by Andrew Barclay Sons & Co, the engine started life at Newport Tinplate Company in Abercarn in 1911. It was later used by British Steel at the Ebbw Vale steelworks.

Its new home, Pontypool and Blaenavon Railway, is run by volunteers and offers the public a chance to experience a working steam and diesel railway line.

Richard Flannigan, who helps run Cwmbran model railway exhibition, said: “I think it would be great, especially if they put it back in working order. That would be fantastic. Pontypool and Blaenavon Railway have come on leaps and bounds in the last couple of years.”

Keen historian and Newport councillor Charles Ferris said he understood repairs had cost the council more than £10,000 over the years, so it was a good idea it was being moved for it to be properly restored. He said: “It think that would be the best thing for it.”

COMMENT: It’s sad to see it go

WHAT a shame that Newport’s distinctive vintage steam locomotive, a fixture on the riverfront for years, will no longer be seen in the city.

The 1911 Forester locomotive was originally used by the Newport Tinplate Company in Abercarn, before being used at the steelworks in Ebbw Vale.

It was refurbished by British Steel to serve as a reminder of the importance to Newport of the coal and steel industries.

And it has stood for many years on a small piece of track on the site of the old Blaenavon Wharf alongside the Usk on the Kingsway.

Thousands of children have enjoyed playing on the engine since then, pretending to be drivers or firemen.

Sadly, the cost of repairing the locomotive (one councillor estimates this to be in excess of £10,000 over the years) following a string of vandal attacks means the engine is to steam out of Newport for the last time.

The good news is it is to have a new permanent home at the popular Pontypool and Blaenavon Railway.

Whether the engine will be restored to working order or simply continue its life as a static exhibit remains to be seen.

We are pleased the locomotive will be going to a good home.

But it is nevertheless disappointing that a little piece of Newport’s history will disappear from the riverfront.

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9:46am Fri 9 Nov 12

Crazydad says...

It would have been better to relocate this to the Kingsway Centre where it would be better preserved.

Or to the indoor marke and bring those intereted people into an underused and struggling centre.

keep it in Newport.
It would have been better to relocate this to the Kingsway Centre where it would be better preserved. Or to the indoor marke and bring those intereted people into an underused and struggling centre. keep it in Newport. Crazydad
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11:11am Fri 9 Nov 12

rhinestine says...

It's always full of goth teens, drinking and starting fires and skateboarding all over that place. The police drive past and do nothing.

It's always kids and teenagers causing problems, perhaps an old style of policing would be better in this day and age, namley a clip around the ear, and not all this PC rubbish! everyone knows the law!

Bring back the birch too!
It's always full of goth teens, drinking and starting fires and skateboarding all over that place. The police drive past and do nothing. It's always kids and teenagers causing problems, perhaps an old style of policing would be better in this day and age, namley a clip around the ear, and not all this PC rubbish! everyone knows the law! Bring back the birch too! rhinestine
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11:26am Fri 9 Nov 12

Dai the Milk says...

rhinestine wrote:
It's always full of goth teens, drinking and starting fires and skateboarding all over that place. The police drive past and do nothing.

It's always kids and teenagers causing problems, perhaps an old style of policing would be better in this day and age, namley a clip around the ear, and not all this PC rubbish! everyone knows the law!

Bring back the birch too!
Got to agree Rhinestone. A terrible shame that some youngsters don't respect our heritage. Maybe a month working down the pit or in a steelworks without wages would be a better punishment from the courts than some of the silly sentences doled out. That's assuming they are ever caught. It's going to a very good home though. A site right next to one of the mines where coal was originally sent from to Newport.
[quote][p][bold]rhinestine[/bold] wrote: It's always full of goth teens, drinking and starting fires and skateboarding all over that place. The police drive past and do nothing. It's always kids and teenagers causing problems, perhaps an old style of policing would be better in this day and age, namley a clip around the ear, and not all this PC rubbish! everyone knows the law! Bring back the birch too![/p][/quote]Got to agree Rhinestone. A terrible shame that some youngsters don't respect our heritage. Maybe a month working down the pit or in a steelworks without wages would be a better punishment from the courts than some of the silly sentences doled out. That's assuming they are ever caught. It's going to a very good home though. A site right next to one of the mines where coal was originally sent from to Newport. Dai the Milk
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11:37am Fri 9 Nov 12

sperduti says...

well just about sums up newport!!!!
well just about sums up newport!!!! sperduti
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11:51am Fri 9 Nov 12

Radio Wales says...

Very sad to see it disappear, I've always enjoyed the sight of it being there.
However, it's good to see it going to a good home where it will be respected.
The way we allow our young to destroy our hard-worked for heritage is shameful. It has be brought to an end before all we have is denigrated as we steadily regress to an animal state of nothingness,
Very sad to see it disappear, I've always enjoyed the sight of it being there. However, it's good to see it going to a good home where it will be respected. The way we allow our young to destroy our hard-worked for heritage is shameful. It has be brought to an end before all we have is denigrated as we steadily regress to an animal state of nothingness, Radio Wales
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12:07pm Fri 9 Nov 12

rhinestine says...

Yes, glad its going to a more respectful and relevant environment.

Wonder what it will be replaced by??
Yes, glad its going to a more respectful and relevant environment. Wonder what it will be replaced by?? rhinestine
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12:12pm Fri 9 Nov 12

brian819@btinternet.com says...

Deterioration to an artefact such as this displayed in the open air is bound to happen. It is a shame that a site somewhere indoors could not have been found right from the start.
However, that wasn't done and Newport has lost a valuable relic of a time gone by. I wonder whether Blaenavon will make the same mistake. Maybe not if it is going to be renovated and brought back into service. If it is only to be used as another static attraction it probably won't. Good luck to it whatever its future.
Deterioration to an artefact such as this displayed in the open air is bound to happen. It is a shame that a site somewhere indoors could not have been found right from the start. However, that wasn't done and Newport has lost a valuable relic of a time gone by. I wonder whether Blaenavon will make the same mistake. Maybe not if it is going to be renovated and brought back into service. If it is only to be used as another static attraction it probably won't. Good luck to it whatever its future. brian819@btinternet.com
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1:17pm Fri 9 Nov 12

Katie Re-Registered says...

It's sad that there are goths and vandals who are able to roam free and give vent to their anarchic destructive tendencies - wouldn't have happened when the Roman 10th Legion was stationed here!
It's sad that there are goths and vandals who are able to roam free and give vent to their anarchic destructive tendencies - wouldn't have happened when the Roman 10th Legion was stationed here! Katie Re-Registered
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1:47pm Fri 9 Nov 12

Llanmartinangel says...

This, like graffiti and littering are a direct result of liberal attitudes. There is no sanction for youngsters behaving badly. We saw only last week, a convicted murderer who had previously been given an ASBO for terrorising a community.
This, like graffiti and littering are a direct result of liberal attitudes. There is no sanction for youngsters behaving badly. We saw only last week, a convicted murderer who had previously been given an ASBO for terrorising a community. Llanmartinangel
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3:01pm Fri 9 Nov 12

Dee-Gee says...

Right, because there was no littering or graffiti back the Old Days, not a bit of it.

The Keep Britain Tidy charity, founded in 1954, was set up to do just that - KEEP Britain tidy, because it was as shiny as a new pin back then, all thanks to the lack of liberal attitudes.!
Right, because there was no littering or graffiti back the Old Days, not a bit of it. The Keep Britain Tidy charity, founded in 1954, was set up to do just that - KEEP Britain tidy, because it was as shiny as a new pin back then, all thanks to the lack of liberal attitudes.! Dee-Gee
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3:07pm Fri 9 Nov 12

Valleymonkey says...

Just put a concrete slab down in its place - Remove all the statues and sell off the open parklands to affordable housing developments or gipsy camps. Newport City - don't stop on your way through to Cardiff.
Just put a concrete slab down in its place - Remove all the statues and sell off the open parklands to affordable housing developments or gipsy camps. Newport City - don't stop on your way through to Cardiff. Valleymonkey
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3:27pm Fri 9 Nov 12

Forename Surname says...

Valleymonkey wrote:
Just put a concrete slab down in its place - Remove all the statues and sell off the open parklands to affordable housing developments or gipsy camps. Newport City - don't stop on your way through to Cardiff.
Good idea to relocate to Pontypool and Blaenavon Railway.

It's a shame that the minority of selfish idiots manage to cause so much damage and negativity in Newport (though you have to be retarded to think that Newport is the only place on earth with social problems). At least you don't get run down by maniacs or stabbed on your doorstep like you do in wonderful Cardiff.
[quote][p][bold]Valleymonkey[/bold] wrote: Just put a concrete slab down in its place - Remove all the statues and sell off the open parklands to affordable housing developments or gipsy camps. Newport City - don't stop on your way through to Cardiff.[/p][/quote]Good idea to relocate to Pontypool and Blaenavon Railway. It's a shame that the minority of selfish idiots manage to cause so much damage and negativity in Newport (though you have to be retarded to think that Newport is the only place on earth with social problems). At least you don't get run down by maniacs or stabbed on your doorstep like you do in wonderful Cardiff. Forename Surname
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3:43pm Fri 9 Nov 12

rhinestine says...

THE BIRCH IS THE ANSWER TO MOST PROBLEMS!
THE BIRCH IS THE ANSWER TO MOST PROBLEMS! rhinestine
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3:57pm Fri 9 Nov 12

lowandhardandinthecorner says...

It's too easy to blame the young for this deterioration. I noticed a couple of years ago ( when I took my grandson to see it ) that the truck contained a very active wasps nest.
The timbers of the truck were falling apart as a result of the insect infestation. A timely replacement of timbers would have prevented the consequent lop-sided appearance of the truck, as regards the engine, it's virtually indestructible and I don't believe any significant damage has been done to it.
It's too easy to blame the young for this deterioration. I noticed a couple of years ago ( when I took my grandson to see it ) that the truck contained a very active wasps nest. The timbers of the truck were falling apart as a result of the insect infestation. A timely replacement of timbers would have prevented the consequent lop-sided appearance of the truck, as regards the engine, it's virtually indestructible and I don't believe any significant damage has been done to it. lowandhardandinthecorner
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4:15pm Fri 9 Nov 12

wagtail says...

Replace the train with a statue of Bob Bright looking towards Cardiff, with an inscription

"What could have been"
Replace the train with a statue of Bob Bright looking towards Cardiff, with an inscription "What could have been" wagtail
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4:21pm Fri 9 Nov 12

Rugby Warrior Paulo says...

What a shame. Perhaps they could fill the space with another charity shop.
What a shame. Perhaps they could fill the space with another charity shop. Rugby Warrior Paulo
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5:04pm Fri 9 Nov 12

dailoco says...

Have anybody heard the same comment told to me that the loco is to broken for spares ? And not rebuilt.When this loco was sent to Llanwern I was told that it connected to an air line and driven into the workshop.
Have anybody heard the same comment told to me that the loco is to broken for spares ? And not rebuilt.When this loco was sent to Llanwern I was told that it connected to an air line and driven into the workshop. dailoco
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5:31pm Fri 9 Nov 12

Dolieboy says...

What logic, an estimated 10k has been spent on it. How much does a CCTV camera cost ?

Better still electrify it, when they see someone vandalising it, turn the juice on, that will give them a shock - literally.
What logic, an estimated 10k has been spent on it. How much does a CCTV camera cost ? Better still electrify it, when they see someone vandalising it, turn the juice on, that will give them a shock - literally. Dolieboy
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5:38pm Fri 9 Nov 12

Dave on his Soapbox says...

....yet again a minority of miscreants have won and the law abiding tax paying citizens have to suffer from them and the failings of the police and council to act.
Where is the city centre CCTV cameras and action to stamp out this criminal behaviour which will only move onto some other point.
Take a look at http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/uk-england-bri
stol-20248535
Secondly around the time of the Ryder Cup…remember that….the council stated an aim to make Newport a tourist attraction and wasn’t the train one of the things that would ‘draw’ people here…..another failed council idea/policy
....yet again a minority of miscreants have won and the law abiding tax paying citizens have to suffer from them and the failings of the police and council to act. Where is the city centre CCTV cameras and action to stamp out this criminal behaviour which will only move onto some other point. Take a look at http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-england-bri stol-20248535 Secondly around the time of the Ryder Cup…remember that….the council stated an aim to make Newport a tourist attraction and wasn’t the train one of the things that would ‘draw’ people here…..another failed council idea/policy Dave on his Soapbox
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5:51pm Fri 9 Nov 12

ianzemma says...

Rugby Warrior Paulo wrote:
What a shame. Perhaps they could fill the space with another charity shop.
Don't be silly..tescos will snap that spot up pronto!
[quote][p][bold]Rugby Warrior Paulo[/bold] wrote: What a shame. Perhaps they could fill the space with another charity shop.[/p][/quote]Don't be silly..tescos will snap that spot up pronto! ianzemma
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7:29pm Fri 9 Nov 12

Llanmartinangel says...

Dave on his Soapbox wrote:
....yet again a minority of miscreants have won and the law abiding tax paying citizens have to suffer from them and the failings of the police and council to act.
Where is the city centre CCTV cameras and action to stamp out this criminal behaviour which will only move onto some other point.
Take a look at http://www.bbc.co.uk

/news/uk-england-bri

stol-20248535
Secondly around the time of the Ryder Cup…remember that….the council stated an aim to make Newport a tourist attraction and wasn’t the train one of the things that would ‘draw’ people here…..another failed council idea/policy
A tourist attraction? Of course. It must be up there with Chernobyl, Bury Port and Dungeness B power station.
[quote][p][bold]Dave on his Soapbox[/bold] wrote: ....yet again a minority of miscreants have won and the law abiding tax paying citizens have to suffer from them and the failings of the police and council to act. Where is the city centre CCTV cameras and action to stamp out this criminal behaviour which will only move onto some other point. Take a look at http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-england-bri stol-20248535 Secondly around the time of the Ryder Cup…remember that….the council stated an aim to make Newport a tourist attraction and wasn’t the train one of the things that would ‘draw’ people here…..another failed council idea/policy[/p][/quote]A tourist attraction? Of course. It must be up there with Chernobyl, Bury Port and Dungeness B power station. Llanmartinangel
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7:40pm Fri 9 Nov 12

emlynkide says...

yep, here we go again, giving in to the vandels, no wonder newport is full of them, they know they can get away with it, bring back the stocks.
yep, here we go again, giving in to the vandels, no wonder newport is full of them, they know they can get away with it, bring back the stocks. emlynkide
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8:23pm Fri 9 Nov 12

arjwain says...

how many things have to change .that train has been there for years yet this generation of kids cant look after anything or admire anything . they have to destroy it .
but instead of correcting our youths of today things are moved out of there way
maybe if the police got a bit strict with them they just might get a little scared to be arrested .
how many things have to change .that train has been there for years yet this generation of kids cant look after anything or admire anything . they have to destroy it . but instead of correcting our youths of today things are moved out of there way maybe if the police got a bit strict with them they just might get a little scared to be arrested . arjwain
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8:23pm Fri 9 Nov 12

arjwain says...

how many things have to change .that train has been there for years yet this generation of kids cant look after anything or admire anything . they have to destroy it .
but instead of correcting our youths of today things are moved out of there way
maybe if the police got a bit strict with them they just might get a little scared to be arrested .
how many things have to change .that train has been there for years yet this generation of kids cant look after anything or admire anything . they have to destroy it . but instead of correcting our youths of today things are moved out of there way maybe if the police got a bit strict with them they just might get a little scared to be arrested . arjwain
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9:02pm Fri 9 Nov 12

chris227 says...

the police only seem interested in motoring matters concentrating their efforts on speeding motorists or anything that's easy to to get a quick result and raise cash. this is the same force that was blowing their own trumpet in this same newspaper a couple of weeks ago, the result of the general public failing to report crime. Its about time that the police had a permanent foot presence in the town centre and the courts started levying appropriate fines on vandals etc.
the police only seem interested in motoring matters concentrating their efforts on speeding motorists or anything that's easy to to get a quick result and raise cash. this is the same force that was blowing their own trumpet in this same newspaper a couple of weeks ago, the result of the general public failing to report crime. Its about time that the police had a permanent foot presence in the town centre and the courts started levying appropriate fines on vandals etc. chris227
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9:13pm Fri 9 Nov 12

mikewelsh says...

Simple....... put "CAMERAS" up.!!!!
Simple....... put "CAMERAS" up.!!!! mikewelsh
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11:40pm Fri 9 Nov 12

Slider02 says...

And how many years it it going to take them to rebuild something that was once build from scratch in under a week?
And how many years it it going to take them to rebuild something that was once build from scratch in under a week? Slider02
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9:17am Sat 10 Nov 12

wilkolima says...

Apart from wanton vandalism, the issue is one of responsibility that goes with ownership. Newport has a long, sad history of 'providing' facilities or goodies and then walking away from them thinking that the job is done. It's like buying a puppy - a dog's not just for Christmas, etc. Look at the pedestrianised river banks - life buoys stolen and not replaced, weeds growing from between the paving stones (and even out of Newport Bridge), bushes allowed to grow so high that they obstruct any view of the river. Using the same vandalism argument, and judging by the recent damage done to the Millennium footbridge right next to this steam train, does this mean that the bridge will now be removed because of the cost of repairs?

The country's social problems are not going to be solved within this generation or the next, so preventative measures are needed to safeguard taxpayers' property and prosecute those that damage or steal them: CCTV is only useful if manned and acted upon in a timely and appropriate manner, supported by pro-active street wardens and Gwent police assigned to patrol the streets 24/7 'to serve and protect'.
Apart from wanton vandalism, the issue is one of responsibility that goes with ownership. Newport has a long, sad history of 'providing' facilities or goodies and then walking away from them thinking that the job is done. It's like buying a puppy - a dog's not just for Christmas, etc. Look at the pedestrianised river banks - life buoys stolen and not replaced, weeds growing from between the paving stones (and even out of Newport Bridge), bushes allowed to grow so high that they obstruct any view of the river. Using the same vandalism argument, and judging by the recent damage done to the Millennium footbridge right next to this steam train, does this mean that the bridge will now be removed because of the cost of repairs? The country's social problems are not going to be solved within this generation or the next, so preventative measures are needed to safeguard taxpayers' property and prosecute those that damage or steal them: CCTV is only useful if manned and acted upon in a timely and appropriate manner, supported by pro-active street wardens and Gwent police assigned to patrol the streets 24/7 'to serve and protect'. wilkolima
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9:17am Sat 10 Nov 12

Lucha Libre says...

rhinestine wrote:
It's always full of goth teens, drinking and starting fires and skateboarding all over that place. The police drive past and do nothing.

It's always kids and teenagers causing problems, perhaps an old style of policing would be better in this day and age, namley a clip around the ear, and not all this PC rubbish! everyone knows the law!

Bring back the birch too!
Skateboarding goths?? Now that's something I'd pay good money to see.. I've heard it all now what next emos on pogos!
Some people's ignorance cracks me up..
[quote][p][bold]rhinestine[/bold] wrote: It's always full of goth teens, drinking and starting fires and skateboarding all over that place. The police drive past and do nothing. It's always kids and teenagers causing problems, perhaps an old style of policing would be better in this day and age, namley a clip around the ear, and not all this PC rubbish! everyone knows the law! Bring back the birch too![/p][/quote]Skateboarding goths?? Now that's something I'd pay good money to see.. I've heard it all now what next emos on pogos! Some people's ignorance cracks me up.. Lucha Libre
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3:42pm Sat 10 Nov 12

rhinestine says...

Lucha Libre wrote:
rhinestine wrote:
It's always full of goth teens, drinking and starting fires and skateboarding all over that place. The police drive past and do nothing.

It's always kids and teenagers causing problems, perhaps an old style of policing would be better in this day and age, namley a clip around the ear, and not all this PC rubbish! everyone knows the law!

Bring back the birch too!
Skateboarding goths?? Now that's something I'd pay good money to see.. I've heard it all now what next emos on pogos!
Some people's ignorance cracks me up..
Your ignorant, as I have seen it with my own eyes. You are obviously one of the pc brigade and don't like the truth.
[quote][p][bold]Lucha Libre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rhinestine[/bold] wrote: It's always full of goth teens, drinking and starting fires and skateboarding all over that place. The police drive past and do nothing. It's always kids and teenagers causing problems, perhaps an old style of policing would be better in this day and age, namley a clip around the ear, and not all this PC rubbish! everyone knows the law! Bring back the birch too![/p][/quote]Skateboarding goths?? Now that's something I'd pay good money to see.. I've heard it all now what next emos on pogos! Some people's ignorance cracks me up..[/p][/quote]Your ignorant, as I have seen it with my own eyes. You are obviously one of the pc brigade and don't like the truth. rhinestine
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5:06pm Sat 10 Nov 12

Limestonecowboy says...

rhinestine wrote:
THE BIRCH IS THE ANSWER TO MOST PROBLEMS!
Didn'y know that - I know someone who having trouble with dandruff - I shall inform!
[quote][p][bold]rhinestine[/bold] wrote: THE BIRCH IS THE ANSWER TO MOST PROBLEMS![/p][/quote]Didn'y know that - I know someone who having trouble with dandruff - I shall inform! Limestonecowboy
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12:30am Sun 11 Nov 12

muzzy73 says...

Lucha Libre wrote:
rhinestine wrote:
It's always full of goth teens, drinking and starting fires and skateboarding all over that place. The police drive past and do nothing.

It's always kids and teenagers causing problems, perhaps an old style of policing would be better in this day and age, namley a clip around the ear, and not all this PC rubbish! everyone knows the law!

Bring back the birch too!
Skateboarding goths?? Now that's something I'd pay good money to see.. I've heard it all now what next emos on pogos!
Some people's ignorance cracks me up..
Um does no 1 know the differences between Goths, Emos and skaters? and any way I don't blame the kids I BLAME THE PARENTS, I bet if you actually caught one of the kids vandalizing the train and took them home the parents would say ok i will sort it out , then behind closed dorrs NOTHING ,The problem is kids have no respect and parents (some) dont give a dam just as long as the kids are not under there feet , & yes i do have kids myself but i do know where they are every night IN MY HOUSE !!!!
[quote][p][bold]Lucha Libre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rhinestine[/bold] wrote: It's always full of goth teens, drinking and starting fires and skateboarding all over that place. The police drive past and do nothing. It's always kids and teenagers causing problems, perhaps an old style of policing would be better in this day and age, namley a clip around the ear, and not all this PC rubbish! everyone knows the law! Bring back the birch too![/p][/quote]Skateboarding goths?? Now that's something I'd pay good money to see.. I've heard it all now what next emos on pogos! Some people's ignorance cracks me up..[/p][/quote]Um does no 1 know the differences between Goths, Emos and skaters? and any way I don't blame the kids I BLAME THE PARENTS, I bet if you actually caught one of the kids vandalizing the train and took them home the parents would say ok i will sort it out , then behind closed dorrs NOTHING ,The problem is kids have no respect and parents (some) dont give a dam just as long as the kids are not under there feet , & yes i do have kids myself but i do know where they are every night IN MY HOUSE !!!! muzzy73
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1:50pm Tue 13 Nov 12

Readthepaper says...

A very sad day indeed!

My wife remembers when it first came to the City when she was but a child of 9 years old!

Lucha Libra, fairplay to you!
A fine comment!

First TJ's, now the train! This city's becoming a sad place yo!
A very sad day indeed! My wife remembers when it first came to the City when she was but a child of 9 years old! Lucha Libra, fairplay to you! A fine comment! First TJ's, now the train! This city's becoming a sad place yo! Readthepaper
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