Gwent Police stand in for ambulances 81 times in one year (From South Wales Argus)
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Gwent Police stand in for ambulances 81 times in one year
7:10am Tuesday 8th January 2013 in News
PEOPLE with injuries including a stab wound to the chest and serious bleeding from the head, are among those Gwent Police have picked up or taken to hospital because no ambulance was available.
They are among 130 medical emergencies attended by police from November 2011-October 2012, 81 of which resulted in a trip to hospital.
On each occasion no ambulance vehicle, be it ambulance or rapid response, was available.
The figures, released by the Welsh Conservative Party following a Freedom of Information (FOI) request, heap more pressure on the Welsh Ambulance Services NHS Trust (WAST), already the subject of a review ordered by health minister Lesley Griffiths following months of declining performance.
As well as aforementioned cases, Gwent Police also attended medical emergencies such as an incident where an assault may have resulted in a collapsed lung, incidents of facial injuries, a woman found bleeding from the nose and mouth, a self-inflicted wrist injury, and a diabetes-related illness.
All seven highlighted cases were among the 81 needing a trip to hospital.
Three Welsh forces, Gwent, South Wales and North Wales, responded to the FOI request.
Like-for-like periods were not detailed, but the rate in Gwent appears considerably higher than in South Wales.
In the latter force area, police attended 30 medical emergencies instead of the ambulance service during May-November last year, with 13 people taken to hospital.
The rate of such instances in the South Wales is less than half of that here, based on the 12-month Gwent figure.
Examples from other parts of Wales include overdoses, a haemorrhaging woman in labour, and an elderly man who collapsed following a stroke.
A Gwent Police spokesman said the force works closely with emergency services taking "all necessary and appropriate steps to put the safety and wellbeing of members of the public first."
“Officers dealing with fast moving emergency situations do sometimes need to transport casualties to hospital rather than wait for an ambulance."
There is ongoing work to reduce instances where the police take people to hospital, and a trust spokesman said: "WAST and all four Welsh police forces are in frequent contact and building on the close relationship in support of each other and their staff.”
ARGUS COMMENT: Shocking to see figures
IT IS PERHAPS news to noone that our ambulance service in Wales leaves a lot to be desired.
Emergency response times have rarely been out of the headlines and the service is currently the subject of a review ordered by Health Minister Lesley Griffiths following months of declining performance.
But the result of a Freedom of Information request revealing the number of times police officers are taking injured or sick people to hospital because no ambulance is available are quite shocking.
We can perhaps understand that if police turn up at a crime scene and find someone badly injured their automatic response may well be to take that person to hospital straightaway.
But we would expect that to be a rare occurrence.
However, in Gwent police took people to hospital on 81 occasions in a year because no ambulance vehicle, be it ambulance or rapid response, was available.
That is just not good enough.
The ambulance service may argue that it is overstretched, but the same could also be said of our police force.
Let’s state clearly this is not an attack on ambulance staff, who we feel do a firstclass job. But there is obviously a flaw in the management of the service for its systems to break down with such worrying regularity.
Comments(12)
Bobevans
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9:17am Tue 8 Jan 13
Lesley Griffiths the health mister is in my view totaly not up to the job. Last year she faced a vote of no confidence at the assembly
She is almost invisible. Last time the ambulance failure blew up she announced another enquiry. No suprise that nothing has happned .
The electorate need the power to recall a minster where it is felt he or she is not up to the job and if ever there were a need for it it is with her.
The weak and useless Carwyn will do nothing. We can be sure of that. If he really gets rattled he may shuffle his bunch of failures around
Quiet how we get anything done I do not know. I guess Carwyn is to busy working on his vanity airport project to worry about little matters such as the WElsh NHS falling apart
Bobevans
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9:17am Tue 8 Jan 13
Lesley Griffiths the health mister is in my view totaly not up to the job. Last year she faced a vote of no confidence at the assembly
She is almost invisible. Last time the ambulance failure blew up she announced another enquiry. No suprise that nothing has happned .
The electorate need the power to recall a minster where it is felt he or she is not up to the job and if ever there were a need for it it is with her.
The weak and useless Carwyn will do nothing. We can be sure of that. If he really gets rattled he may shuffle his bunch of failures around
Quiet how we get anything done I do not know. I guess Carwyn is to busy working on his vanity airport project to worry about little matters such as the WElsh NHS falling apart
spanner100
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9:18am Tue 8 Jan 13
signal box
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9:23am Tue 8 Jan 13
Ambulance Control staff work under great stress trying to provide an Ambulance respond to emergency & urgent calls. WAG must now act to and reduce the size of the Welsh Ambulance Service the three present regions are big enough to be a service on there own and would be about the same size as the three Fire & Rescue Sevices lets see some action before more people die.
signal box
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9:23am Tue 8 Jan 13
Ambulance Control staff work under great stress trying to provide an Ambulance respond to emergency & urgent calls. WAG must now act to and reduce the size of the Welsh Ambulance Service the three present regions are big enough to be a service on there own and would be about the same size as the three Fire & Rescue Sevices lets see some action before more people die.
grazed
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9:34am Tue 8 Jan 13
Bobevans
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12:03pm Tue 8 Jan 13
signal box wrote:There is no need to split it. That would just increase costs and reduce efficiency
With reference to spanner100 comment regarding Ambulance Controllers these members of staff can only deploy a resource to an incident if they have an available vehicle to send. Hospital delays occur when patients wait on an Ambulance or in A&E on an Ambulance trolley for hours causing non availability for hours.
Ambulance Control staff work under great stress trying to provide an Ambulance respond to emergency & urgent calls. WAG must now act to and reduce the size of the Welsh Ambulance Service the three present regions are big enough to be a service on there own and would be about the same size as the three Fire & Rescue Sevices lets see some action before more people die.
The major problem remains and that is Ambulances being stuck at A&E's for hours
If the main problem is patients being lefy on Ambulance trolleys the solution appear to be simple. The hospitals buy some trolleys even at NHS prices they cannot cost more than £5K each which is far cheaper then having Ambulance tied up for hours on end
spanner100
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12:36pm Tue 8 Jan 13
Dave on his Soapbox
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5:59pm Tue 8 Jan 13
what is going to happen when the new hospital on the outskirts of Cwmbran is built and the centralisation that the WAG want to implement across Wales....when the ambulance service/NHS Wales...in not fit to deal with this?
Robindabank
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8:42pm Tue 8 Jan 13
insider2
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12:54am Wed 9 Jan 13
What the Police don't tell you is that when they attend a SERIOUS incident such as an Road Traffic Collision, then the call receives a high priority with the ambulance service and they seldom have to wait long for an ambulance. On the other hand a drunk who has been fighting and "needs a couple of stiches in a facial wound" is hardly a high priority, and it is them who they regularly transport as they are simply not a high priority for the over stretched ambulance service. They should understand that better than anybody as they too have to prioritise calls. You try getting the Police to attend a low priority incident on a week end.
The FIre service taking over the ambulance service??? Dont make us laugh, the only reason that they can provide a service is that they don't handle in a fortnight what the ambulance service do in one night.
The problem in hospitals is not lack of beds, but not enough hospital staff for ambulance staff to hand over duty of care to, they cannot simply drop them off at the A/E doors like the Police can!
It's this Welsh Assembly that is SOLEY to blame for the state of affairs!
spanner100 says...
8:58am Tue 8 Jan 13