Parties clash over Newport parking row (From South Wales Argus)

Tory Fourweather got the cheek saying Newport could be changed for the better.

His party couldnt change Newport for the better so they were booted out.

They were given a chance with their liberal friends and failed to deliver.

Hopefully they wont get that chance ever again.

Tosh, "Independent voter" ! I don't knoe about "independent" but such comments are what one would expect from a dyed in the wool old Labour!
This administation has no vision or ambition and therefore Newport residents have no hope.

Independentvoter wrote:
Tory Fourweather got the cheek saying Newport could be changed for the better.

His party couldnt change Newport for the better so they were booted out.

They were given a chance with their liberal friends and failed to deliver.

Hopefully they wont get that chance ever again.

Independent voter is correct, they had plenty of chance to improve things but didn't. The way to manage this whole affair is for those who live in Newport to use the buses to get into town. This would support a very good bus system, reduce traffic and save them money. If you add the cost of petrol/diesel and the bus fares it would work out somewhere near the transport costs. This would also result in a better environment and a lot less gas emissions into the atmosphere. Those who live outside Newport like me would be quite happy to pay a small charge for car parking in Newport, I go about once a month to Newport so the cost of car parking is minimal.

Councillor David Fouweather you tight git!
I can't believe you won't pay a quid to parking in Newport for 3 hours.

I'm so over this issue and so is everyone else, there are far more important petitions to sign and causes to fight in Newport and there will be more too.

Let's fight for what is "right and just" not just for the rights of car owners.

Let's fight to buy Cardiff Wales Airport !! We could get the bus to Newport, then the train to Barry, then the bus to the airport, then the plane to Magaluf - that should please today's commentators.

does a pound really matter when it comes to the decision whether to come to newport or not.i know things are tough but saving a pound wont change anyones life,

The last administration had just four years to start to bring Newport into the 21st century.
Four years is nothing when compared to 30 plus years of Labour over-spending and total mismanagement of the council's finances.
Auditors praised the Tory-Lib Dem coalition and the city was turning a corner. It was slow, because there was much to do.
The coalition wasn't turned out because of what it was doing in Newport. It lost its seats because Labour told lies and frightened their "non-voters" into voting by telling them their benefits would be stopped. By local politicians!!! Not very intelligent, but then their supporters generally aren't.
The fiasco with Chris Evans is a joke. Naughty boy Chris is to be told off - maybe sent to the tower, who knows? by "Nanny" Deborah Davies.
Chris could do the sensible thing and tell his fogeys to stick their party where the sun doesn't shine and do the decent thing and go independent.
Labour is a hidebound, old fashioned, sclerotic party and Chris would be better out of it.
Of course he won't do that, even though Labour can do without him.
What is the problem with this lot?
I mean who could be scared of nasty Bright or his deputy, whoever that is, or the Mayor, or Allan Morris, or Bob Poole? It's a joke. They're silly old men who have worked the system well for years.
Many of them have second homes when many Newport people have none. but this is the reality of a hypocritical party.
Ask them about it next time you meet up at Lysaghts or in Allt-yr-Yn where the Ringland "representative", Bright lives.

james jackson wrote:
The last administration had just four years to start to bring Newport into the 21st century. Four years is nothing when compared to 30 plus years of Labour over-spending and total mismanagement of the council's finances. Auditors praised the Tory-Lib Dem coalition and the city was turning a corner. It was slow, because there was much to do. The coalition wasn't turned out because of what it was doing in Newport. It lost its seats because Labour told lies and frightened their "non-voters" into voting by telling them their benefits would be stopped. By local politicians!!! Not very intelligent, but then their supporters generally aren't. The fiasco with Chris Evans is a joke. Naughty boy Chris is to be told off - maybe sent to the tower, who knows? by "Nanny" Deborah Davies. Chris could do the sensible thing and tell his fogeys to stick their party where the sun doesn't shine and do the decent thing and go independent. Labour is a hidebound, old fashioned, sclerotic party and Chris would be better out of it. Of course he won't do that, even though Labour can do without him. What is the problem with this lot? I mean who could be scared of nasty Bright or his deputy, whoever that is, or the Mayor, or Allan Morris, or Bob Poole? It's a joke. They're silly old men who have worked the system well for years. Many of them have second homes when many Newport people have none. but this is the reality of a hypocritical party. Ask them about it next time you meet up at Lysaghts or in Allt-yr-Yn where the Ringland "representative", Bright lives.

dont see the connection with having a second home, its not a crime to do well for your self, very bitter comments indeed,,,

One Labour councillor steps out of line, gets a slap, says he has every faith in his leaders. We can see that Power is very centralised in this council. I would say less than 5 of the old labour guard are running our 'democratic' council when it comes to managing the votes.
Smoke,mirrors and sleight of hand!

What an utter nonsense this argument is. There are NO council run car parks of any size left in the centre of Newport apart from Park Square which is the wrong end of town for the market traders. They are arguing about nothing. I wish that this newspaper and the councillors of whatever party addressed something that's important instead of this pathetic minor controversy. Oh, and I demand free buses for young mothers and their children. Much more sensible than subsidising people who can afford to run cars.

portforever There's nothing wrong with owning a second home if one has worked hard.
Most of the lifestyle adopted by these dental technicians and steel workers is because Newport ratepayers are so generous. They really wanted these Labour politicians to be well rewarded for their "hard" work.
Endless cabinet posts, special allowances, first class travel, free parking passes for the city centre car parks (ironic), Luncheon vouchers, while council staff had to pay, living it up in the Mansion House, again courtesy of the ratepayers. The list goes on. Not bitter at all, just pointing out that these are not working for the people of Newport, but for themselves. So, it's not a crime to do well for oneself, but the way one does well, should have been looked at - and stopped, long ago.

james jackson wrote:
portforever There's nothing wrong with owning a second home if one has worked hard. Most of the lifestyle adopted by these dental technicians and steel workers is because Newport ratepayers are so generous. They really wanted these Labour politicians to be well rewarded for their "hard" work. Endless cabinet posts, special allowances, first class travel, free parking passes for the city centre car parks (ironic), Luncheon vouchers, while council staff had to pay, living it up in the Mansion House, again courtesy of the ratepayers. The list goes on. Not bitter at all, just pointing out that these are not working for the people of Newport, but for themselves. So, it's not a crime to do well for oneself, but the way one does well, should have been looked at - and stopped, long ago.

am afraid that in a ideal world you are right, but as we know people get on any way they can, always have and always will.

Let's put this issue to bed,and get on with restoring NCC before it's too late.With Mark's & Sparks doing a runner,this is Newport Market big chance to fill the void li urge Newport City Council to give it full support with schemes,incentives and ideas to restore the pride of Newport,and give one finger to this failing dinosaur.

portforever wrote:

james jackson wrote:
portforever There's nothing wrong with owning a second home if one has worked hard. Most of the lifestyle adopted by these dental technicians and steel workers is because Newport ratepayers are so generous. They really wanted these Labour politicians to be well rewarded for their "hard" work. Endless cabinet posts, special allowances, first class travel, free parking passes for the city centre car parks (ironic), Luncheon vouchers, while council staff had to pay, living it up in the Mansion House, again courtesy of the ratepayers. The list goes on. Not bitter at all, just pointing out that these are not working for the people of Newport, but for themselves. So, it's not a crime to do well for oneself, but the way one does well, should have been looked at - and stopped, long ago.

am afraid that in a ideal world you are right, but as we know people get on any way they can, always have and always will.

The point is Portforever that James Jackson is entitled to his views with which may folk agree - and the essential point is that Councillors are public servants who should serve the best interests of the public and the town. If theytdon't they should expect to be criticised and criticised hard. At one time you could get away with it but in these days of instant mass communication you can't. That's why dictatorships running failed states control and censor the press and internet.

Woodgnome wrote:

portforever wrote:

james jackson wrote: portforever There's nothing wrong with owning a second home if one has worked hard. Most of the lifestyle adopted by these dental technicians and steel workers is because Newport ratepayers are so generous. They really wanted these Labour politicians to be well rewarded for their "hard" work. Endless cabinet posts, special allowances, first class travel, free parking passes for the city centre car parks (ironic), Luncheon vouchers, while council staff had to pay, living it up in the Mansion House, again courtesy of the ratepayers. The list goes on. Not bitter at all, just pointing out that these are not working for the people of Newport, but for themselves. So, it's not a crime to do well for oneself, but the way one does well, should have been looked at - and stopped, long ago.

am afraid that in a ideal world you are right, but as we know people get on any way they can, always have and always will.

The point is Portforever that James Jackson is entitled to his views with which may folk agree - and the essential point is that Councillors are public servants who should serve the best interests of the public and the town. If theytdon't they should expect to be criticised and criticised hard. At one time you could get away with it but in these days of instant mass communication you can't. That's why dictatorships running failed states control and censor the press and internet.

just could not see the connection in having 2 houses,iam a retired steelworker and i own 3 houses,does that make me a bad person or no good at my job, dont get it at all, but yes we are always entitled to our views and thats fine bt me..

Woodgnome wrote:

portforever wrote:

james jackson wrote: portforever There's nothing wrong with owning a second home if one has worked hard. Most of the lifestyle adopted by these dental technicians and steel workers is because Newport ratepayers are so generous. They really wanted these Labour politicians to be well rewarded for their "hard" work. Endless cabinet posts, special allowances, first class travel, free parking passes for the city centre car parks (ironic), Luncheon vouchers, while council staff had to pay, living it up in the Mansion House, again courtesy of the ratepayers. The list goes on. Not bitter at all, just pointing out that these are not working for the people of Newport, but for themselves. So, it's not a crime to do well for oneself, but the way one does well, should have been looked at - and stopped, long ago.

am afraid that in a ideal world you are right, but as we know people get on any way they can, always have and always will.

The point is Portforever that James Jackson is entitled to his views with which may folk agree - and the essential point is that Councillors are public servants who should serve the best interests of the public and the town. If theytdon't they should expect to be criticised and criticised hard. At one time you could get away with it but in these days of instant mass communication you can't. That's why dictatorships running failed states control and censor the press and internet.

just could not see the connection in having 2 houses,iam a retired steelworker and i own 3 houses,does that make me a bad person or no good at my job, dont get it at all, but yes we are always entitled to our views and thats fine bt me..

Portforever, yes you are quite right and you are fully entitled to buy as many houses as you like - and that applies to Councillors too. I don't think the point made makes the author "bitter" however.

It's simply that much of their high life has been funded by Newport's council tax payers.
I am not bitter at all, I just like to see a fairly level playing field!

and if you had the chance of the high life you would say no thank you.what high life, many companies have luncheon vouchers,and free parking for certain workers.i pay a lot of tax and have no problem with them living as you put it the high life, just wish they had some common sence and did a better job.my boss drives a company car and earns 3 times what i get , you could argue he is living of my back , seems like some people want them to get no perks at all for doing a job i would not want as its too frustrating with endless boring meetings, i say good luck to anyone who can get something from there job as long as its legal and does not offend people.

portforever wrote:
and if you had the chance of the high life you would say no thank you.what high life, many companies have luncheon vouchers,and free parking for certain workers.i pay a lot of tax and have no problem with them living as you put it the high life, just wish they had some common sence and did a better job.my boss drives a company car and earns 3 times what i get , you could argue he is living of my back , seems like some people want them to get no perks at all for doing a job i would not want as its too frustrating with endless boring meetings, i say good luck to anyone who can get something from there job as long as its legal and does not offend people.

I'm not talking of Newport now but as a general approach that argument is totally misconceived. You are on your own with that view. What private companies do is a matter for them or the shareholders . What public servants do with public money is a matter for the electorate.

Forgetting Newport and to give an example I recall a major public scandal in relation to the MP's expenses fiasco.On your argument you must think that was OK!!

i knew a newport councillor who used to finish a night shift and then attend the councill meetings, so he gets to park where you cant ,oh no dear me that cant be right can it, or perish the idea that he got a free lunch costing a few pounds .i simply dont get you lot because you dont get something you dont want anyone else getting it either, very sad,,,

portforever wrote:
i knew a newport councillor who used to finish a night shift and then attend the councill meetings, so he gets to park where you cant ,oh no dear me that cant be right can it, or perish the idea that he got a free lunch costing a few pounds .i simply dont get you lot because you dont get something you dont want anyone else getting it either, very sad,,,

You are obviously quite determined to miss the point!!

Woodgnome wrote:

portforever wrote: i knew a newport councillor who used to finish a night shift and then attend the councill meetings, so he gets to park where you cant ,oh no dear me that cant be right can it, or perish the idea that he got a free lunch costing a few pounds .i simply dont get you lot because you dont get something you dont want anyone else getting it either, very sad,,,

You are obviously quite determined to miss the point!!

dont see your point at all, seems like you think people should give up there time for your benifit, you need to get in the real world.

If councillors get free luncheon vouchers, then so should lowly-paid council workers. You know, the ones who empty our bins and look after the public space that we complain about.
As Woodgnome says. Private companies can do what they like' Public servants can't continue to sponge off the public who pay their very decent wages. More than enough to cover lunch and parking. It's good that that councillor worked and then attended a meeting but so do most people who are not retired. Life isn't fair as we all know, but Labour, the party of the working man, ticks all the boxes when it comes to ripping off their constituents!
And portforever doesn't know that we don't get perks. It's just that some of us are principled enough to turn them down...

if its that good why dont you lot with your principles have a go at it, maybe its a bit to like hard work for you , very bitter indeed,,,

I might, one day. I enjoy hard work Always have done.

Port has certainly had his button pressed. He's such an eager apologist for Labour Councillors, it's beginning to look like he is one! Great entertainment,

the gnome has spoken, and yes maybe iam one as you put it,and if iam i will enjoy all i get from people like you, so thanks again for my high life, but got to go know to watch waterloo road as its more entertaining than you are, so at the end of all this rubbish i win and you plebs lose,because you see cream will always rise to the top and thats me, goodbye and thanks for the fun sure we will jaust again on another topic,,,

Typical labour apologist portforever torfaen council is the lights turned off refuse collection halved councillors expenses massively increased and coincidentally its a labour stronghold ,well done the labour sheeple voting with intelligence not!!

Typo missed 'just like ' before torfaen

county mad wrote:
Typical labour apologist portforever torfaen council is the lights turned off refuse collection halved councillors expenses massively increased and coincidentally its a labour stronghold ,well done the labour sheeple voting with intelligence not!!

you realise it was "massively increased" to about £13k basic salary...

A basic state pension is £5584 and most of 'em are way past pension age. That's just fpr voting how you're told

Woodgnome wrote:
A basic state pension is £5584 and most of 'em are way past pension age. That's just fpr voting how you're told

Why are most councilors past pension age? Possibly because most of us can't afford to give up full-time work to accept a £13k salary. How would you remedy this? Increase the salary, but then you get public outcry. The reason most councilors are white, 60 year old men, is because they're the ones who can AFFORD to be a councilor.

If you read the Argus the £13k is for back bench Councillors - they say very little and just turn up and are told how to vote and that's why noone wants to do it. The so called "Leaders" with the power get considerably more that £13k.There is no place for party politics -especially old Labour - in Councils and that's what strangles them.

Whatintheworld you say " most of us can't afford to give up full-time work to accept a £13k salary, only white 60yr old men "

It should be in your Heart and Soul to stand up for your community and fight their causes not your Pay Packet !

You sound like a serving councillor trying to justify a payrise ?

sadly having been to the bank in newport today it is now going to take a miracle to save this run down hovel row upon row upon row of empty shops pubs all boarded up how have things got so bad.

its time for Bob bright the old fool to hang up his hat

is Bob still doing private dentures more money than nhs