Appeal to decide if Newport council can take down religious sign

South Wales Argus: APPEAL CASE: The house in Maindee, Newport, where planning permission for this sign has been refused APPEAL CASE: The house in Maindee, Newport, where planning permission for this sign has been refused

A MAN has taken Newport council to a planning appeal after he was refused permission to keep an Islamic religious symbol on his house.

Mahmood Ali applied for permission to keep a sign, which includes the Islamic creed, at his house at Chepstow Road.

Planning officers refused, arguing the sign, under planning regulations, constitutes an obtrusive advertisement.

Mr Ali said the sign is not an advertisement and is simply there to bless the house.

The refusal of advertising consent will be subject to an public hearing in Newport Civic Centre on February 15.

In Arabic, the sign includes the declaration of the Islamic faith, the Islamic creed. It says: “There is no god but Allah and Mohammed is his messenger.” It is around two metres wide and 60cm in height and is made out of green lettering.

It is not lit, but Mr Ali has applied for permission to illuminate it.

Mr Ali argued that the sign’s green colour was chosen to reflect the ambience of the property’s character and its surroundings.

He said the “low voltage” lighting would only illuminate the symbols.

“The symbols are not an advertisement in any sense of the words used in daily life,” he said.

Under planning regulations, the term ‘advertisement’ has a broad meaning, and includes any word, letter, model, sign, placard, board or notice used for advertising, making an announcement or direction.

The council’s statement of case for the appeal said the sign “consists of letters and words that announce religious faith and so can be considered to be an advertisement,” and express planning consent is required.

It says the authority’s objection is on “amenity grounds only”.

The case reads: “The advertisement is prominently sited upon the host building and is also prominent within the (Kensington Place) conservation area. Its size and position on the building make it obtrusive.”

The statement said the property is domestic property and is not a mosque, where such signs might be expected.

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10:49am Mon 28 Jan 13

ninebalehigh says...

I shouldn't get involved, but how does a green sign on a pink house reflect the ambience of the property's character and surroundings?
I shouldn't get involved, but how does a green sign on a pink house reflect the ambience of the property's character and surroundings? ninebalehigh
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10:53am Mon 28 Jan 13

Mwy Eira says...

2 metres wide and 60 cm high - Why on earth does it have to be that big! A lot of people from various religions put a message by the front door to bless the house but it can only be read as you walk through or near the door. My neighbours are muslims and they express their religion by they way they live their lives and not through this type of thing. Quite shameful when you think how much money will have been wasted too.
2 metres wide and 60 cm high - Why on earth does it have to be that big! A lot of people from various religions put a message by the front door to bless the house but it can only be read as you walk through or near the door. My neighbours are muslims and they express their religion by they way they live their lives and not through this type of thing. Quite shameful when you think how much money will have been wasted too. Mwy Eira
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11:09am Mon 28 Jan 13

sherrie says...

I'm so glad I don't live next door to that.... It really looks quite ugly!
I'm so glad I don't live next door to that.... It really looks quite ugly! sherrie
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11:17am Mon 28 Jan 13

coalpicker says...

When is Newport intending to twin with
Mogadishu ? Sorry, should that read
Karachi ?
When is Newport intending to twin with Mogadishu ? Sorry, should that read Karachi ? coalpicker
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11:58am Mon 28 Jan 13

whatintheworld says...

"is also prominent within the (Kensington Place) conservation area."

That's why it's getting taken down. Don't want and riff raff near there.

In seriousness though, 2x1metre is a bit of a silly size
"is also prominent within the (Kensington Place) conservation area." That's why it's getting taken down. Don't want and riff raff near there. In seriousness though, 2x1metre is a bit of a silly size whatintheworld
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1:06pm Mon 28 Jan 13

Mr Bump. says...

coalpicker wrote:
When is Newport intending to twin with
Mogadishu ? Sorry, should that read
Karachi ?
I'm surprised this type of comment is allowed to remain on the Argus website.
[quote][p][bold]coalpicker[/bold] wrote: When is Newport intending to twin with Mogadishu ? Sorry, should that read Karachi ?[/p][/quote]I'm surprised this type of comment is allowed to remain on the Argus website. Mr Bump.
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1:49pm Mon 28 Jan 13

County says...

It must be illuminated because God can't see in the dark. If it gets taken down can I have the “There is no god" bit?
It must be illuminated because God can't see in the dark. If it gets taken down can I have the “There is no god" bit? County
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1:52pm Mon 28 Jan 13

blackandamber says...

Free speech (remember that) Mr Bump whether you approve or not. You should defend to the death Coalpicker's right to say it.
Free speech (remember that) Mr Bump whether you approve or not. You should defend to the death Coalpicker's right to say it. blackandamber
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1:53pm Mon 28 Jan 13

whatintheworld says...

We don't have free speech in the U.K. And rightly so
We don't have free speech in the U.K. And rightly so whatintheworld
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1:58pm Mon 28 Jan 13

coalpicker says...

Mr Bump should have seen the one I censored myself .
Mr Bump should have seen the one I censored myself . coalpicker
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3:19pm Mon 28 Jan 13

Mr Bump. says...

blackandamber wrote:
Free speech (remember that) Mr Bump whether you approve or not. You should defend to the death Coalpicker's right to say it.
Are you serious? It's nothing more than a bigoted comment, and has nothing whatsoever to do with this story.
[quote][p][bold]blackandamber[/bold] wrote: Free speech (remember that) Mr Bump whether you approve or not. You should defend to the death Coalpicker's right to say it.[/p][/quote]Are you serious? It's nothing more than a bigoted comment, and has nothing whatsoever to do with this story. Mr Bump.
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3:34pm Mon 28 Jan 13

coalpicker says...

Do I detect a smidgin of Gordon brown in that remark Mr BUMP ,you really should wear a crash helmet, or perhaps keep out of the sun ?
Do I detect a smidgin of Gordon brown in that remark Mr BUMP ,you really should wear a crash helmet, or perhaps keep out of the sun ? coalpicker
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7:05pm Mon 28 Jan 13

TJnewport says...

so what if this guy's got a 2 metre sign above his front door, who is it offending, ? Me ? no, you ? no, Mr Bump's spot on in his comments, Live & let live I say !!! life's too short...............
so what if this guy's got a 2 metre sign above his front door, who is it offending, ? Me ? no, you ? no, Mr Bump's spot on in his comments, Live & let live I say !!! life's too short............... TJnewport
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8:10pm Mon 28 Jan 13

NakedDancer says...

This may be appropriate for a mosque but not on a residential property. Its an eyesore but so is stone cladding and solar panels. Hence if the guy wants to devalue his property and those around it thats up to him. I doubt his neighbours are pleased though.

More worrying is his motivation...is he just trying to wind people up?. He who has the biggest most gawdy sign wins !
This may be appropriate for a mosque but not on a residential property. Its an eyesore but so is stone cladding and solar panels. Hence if the guy wants to devalue his property and those around it thats up to him. I doubt his neighbours are pleased though. More worrying is his motivation...is he just trying to wind people up?. He who has the biggest most gawdy sign wins ! NakedDancer
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9:34pm Mon 28 Jan 13

cath 872 says...

There is a house near 14 locks cafe that has a large christian sign on the side clear to anyone passing by. If the council want to remove the islamic sign then christian ones should go too. And jewish, buddhist or whatever. In fact ALL religious symbols should go. Even better - abolish religion and give women and gays a better life.
There is a house near 14 locks cafe that has a large christian sign on the side clear to anyone passing by. If the council want to remove the islamic sign then christian ones should go too. And jewish, buddhist or whatever. In fact ALL religious symbols should go. Even better - abolish religion and give women and gays a better life. cath 872
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10:31pm Mon 28 Jan 13

Mike_J says...

Reading some of these comments it really does sound like Islamophobia is getting more common.

I see a house every day to work which says
who will save you on the day of judgement:
a- allah
b - buddhist
or
C - CHRIST

Only today after reading this story I rang the council and found out that no one has complained and nothing would be done even though that is bigger than 2 meters by 1 meter on a 3 bedroom house.

The reason for me mentioning the size is that this house is a huge building and the 2 by 1 sign seems comparability small or the correct sizes and fits in nice.

The media once again showing one side (the one it wants to or someone has told them). Am sure we got a bigger problem such as our high street rather than worrying about an Islamic sign.

Green is for peace in Islam and the colour of the house is Yellow and not pink. But obviously you have only seen a 2 by 1 picture of the house.
Reading some of these comments it really does sound like Islamophobia is getting more common. I see a house every day to work which says who will save you on the day of judgement: a- allah b - buddhist or C - CHRIST Only today after reading this story I rang the council and found out that no one has complained and nothing would be done even though that is bigger than 2 meters by 1 meter on a 3 bedroom house. The reason for me mentioning the size is that this house is a huge building and the 2 by 1 sign seems comparability small or the correct sizes and fits in nice. The media once again showing one side (the one it wants to or someone has told them). Am sure we got a bigger problem such as our high street rather than worrying about an Islamic sign. Green is for peace in Islam and the colour of the house is Yellow and not pink. But obviously you have only seen a 2 by 1 picture of the house. Mike_J
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11:04pm Mon 28 Jan 13

Mr Bump. says...

cath 872 wrote:
There is a house near 14 locks cafe that has a large christian sign on the side clear to anyone passing by. If the council want to remove the islamic sign then christian ones should go too. And jewish, buddhist or whatever. In fact ALL religious symbols should go. Even better - abolish religion and give women and gays a better life.
As a non believer i'm all for getting rid of religion, but getting rid of religion wouldn't solve the problem of people like Coalpicker.
[quote][p][bold]cath 872[/bold] wrote: There is a house near 14 locks cafe that has a large christian sign on the side clear to anyone passing by. If the council want to remove the islamic sign then christian ones should go too. And jewish, buddhist or whatever. In fact ALL religious symbols should go. Even better - abolish religion and give women and gays a better life.[/p][/quote]As a non believer i'm all for getting rid of religion, but getting rid of religion wouldn't solve the problem of people like Coalpicker. Mr Bump.
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11:45pm Mon 28 Jan 13

Dee-Gee says...

Can't comment on the vagaries of planning law... but I'm pretty sure that a 60cm tall *illuminated* sign so ostentatiously displayed is not in keeping with the principal of modesty. Perhaps the imam will have a quiet word?
Can't comment on the vagaries of planning law... but I'm pretty sure that a 60cm tall *illuminated* sign so ostentatiously displayed is not in keeping with the principal of modesty. Perhaps the imam will have a quiet word? Dee-Gee
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12:18am Tue 29 Jan 13

Mike_J says...

Dee-Gee wrote:
Can't comment on the vagaries of planning law... but I'm pretty sure that a 60cm tall *illuminated* sign so ostentatiously displayed is not in keeping with the principal of modesty. Perhaps the imam will have a quiet word?
Maybe not being biased with a certain religion will help. Equality.

If one religious sign comes down and then all should. If one is reported why aint the other? Maybe people have personal scores to settle.
[quote][p][bold]Dee-Gee[/bold] wrote: Can't comment on the vagaries of planning law... but I'm pretty sure that a 60cm tall *illuminated* sign so ostentatiously displayed is not in keeping with the principal of modesty. Perhaps the imam will have a quiet word?[/p][/quote]Maybe not being biased with a certain religion will help. Equality. If one religious sign comes down and then all should. If one is reported why aint the other? Maybe people have personal scores to settle. Mike_J
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1:37am Tue 29 Jan 13

smokintheweed says...

This is not news. This is not important either.
This is not news. This is not important either. smokintheweed
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3:23am Tue 29 Jan 13

tomh2012 says...

I don't see why this should be accepted, with no intention of coming across as racist but this is Great BRITAIN but yet we constantly have to adapt our laws and way of living to accommodate for minorities, which may i add are not such a minority anymore. Its got to the point where staff at large chain shops and schools are no longer allowed to say merry christmas as it may offend the religious minorities. Fair enough that this person has their beliefs they are entitled to that as a human being but if somebody was a supporter of the nazi regime and made a swastika available for all to see then it would not be tolerated, so i ask why make acceptions for other beleifs and religions. There are many places of worship for many religions throughout newport where a persons feeling and loyalty to their religion can be shown there or from inside there homes.
I don't see why this should be accepted, with no intention of coming across as racist but this is Great BRITAIN but yet we constantly have to adapt our laws and way of living to accommodate for minorities, which may i add are not such a minority anymore. Its got to the point where staff at large chain shops and schools are no longer allowed to say merry christmas as it may offend the religious minorities. Fair enough that this person has their beliefs they are entitled to that as a human being but if somebody was a supporter of the nazi regime and made a swastika available for all to see then it would not be tolerated, so i ask why make acceptions for other beleifs and religions. There are many places of worship for many religions throughout newport where a persons feeling and loyalty to their religion can be shown there or from inside there homes. tomh2012
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6:22am Tue 29 Jan 13

Mr Bump. says...

tomh2012 wrote:
I don't see why this should be accepted, with no intention of coming across as racist but this is Great BRITAIN but yet we constantly have to adapt our laws and way of living to accommodate for minorities, which may i add are not such a minority anymore. Its got to the point where staff at large chain shops and schools are no longer allowed to say merry christmas as it may offend the religious minorities. Fair enough that this person has their beliefs they are entitled to that as a human being but if somebody was a supporter of the nazi regime and made a swastika available for all to see then it would not be tolerated, so i ask why make acceptions for other beleifs and religions. There are many places of worship for many religions throughout newport where a persons feeling and loyalty to their religion can be shown there or from inside there homes.
You might have no intention of coming across as racist, but you certainly do. Thankfully people with views like you are the Minority in this country.
[quote][p][bold]tomh2012[/bold] wrote: I don't see why this should be accepted, with no intention of coming across as racist but this is Great BRITAIN but yet we constantly have to adapt our laws and way of living to accommodate for minorities, which may i add are not such a minority anymore. Its got to the point where staff at large chain shops and schools are no longer allowed to say merry christmas as it may offend the religious minorities. Fair enough that this person has their beliefs they are entitled to that as a human being but if somebody was a supporter of the nazi regime and made a swastika available for all to see then it would not be tolerated, so i ask why make acceptions for other beleifs and religions. There are many places of worship for many religions throughout newport where a persons feeling and loyalty to their religion can be shown there or from inside there homes.[/p][/quote]You might have no intention of coming across as racist, but you certainly do. Thankfully people with views like you are the Minority in this country. Mr Bump.
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9:10am Tue 29 Jan 13

gathin says...

The swastika outdates all "modern" religious signs by probably a good few thousand years. It's the pagan symobol for the sun and only complete ignoramuses refer to it being from 1930s Germany.
Religion is complete slavery anyway and this man with it festooned on his house has really created his own chains.
Good old UK.. Immigration has completely failed, eh?
The swastika outdates all "modern" religious signs by probably a good few thousand years. It's the pagan symobol for the sun and only complete ignoramuses refer to it being from 1930s Germany. Religion is complete slavery anyway and this man with it festooned on his house has really created his own chains. Good old UK.. Immigration has completely failed, eh? gathin
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9:16am Tue 29 Jan 13

bobjones2011 says...

Get off your high horse Bump!
Get off your high horse Bump! bobjones2011
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9:18am Tue 29 Jan 13

coalpicker says...

Clearly , Mr Bump has not recovered
from Tony Blairs thirteen years of indoctrination.Obvio
usly, also, he has not researched the word Bigot, fits him like a glove.
Clearly , Mr Bump has not recovered from Tony Blairs thirteen years of indoctrination.Obvio usly, also, he has not researched the word Bigot, fits him like a glove. coalpicker
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10:11am Tue 29 Jan 13

tomh2012 says...

Bump- No racist remark made on my behalf. I have no hate for anybody but I do have strong views that Britain is slowly losing control from with in.
Gathin- you may refer to me as a ignoramus if you wish but show the general public a swastika and 8 maybe 9/10 will tell you it's the sign used by the nazis and have no idea it is a pagan symbol of sun.
Bump- No racist remark made on my behalf. I have no hate for anybody but I do have strong views that Britain is slowly losing control from with in. Gathin- you may refer to me as a ignoramus if you wish but show the general public a swastika and 8 maybe 9/10 will tell you it's the sign used by the nazis and have no idea it is a pagan symbol of sun. tomh2012
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10:14am Tue 29 Jan 13

Mervyn James says...

sherrie wrote:
I'm so glad I don't live next door to that.... It really looks quite ugly!
Some of us DO that's the trouble ! There is no reason to put signs up like that. It isn't a church, or licensed establishment that needs to. It is telling US Islam is there. No doubt the council will have no objection if I stick a flashing neon notice over my door Jesus is the way etc.... after all religious freedom is what we are about isn't it ? Why do I feel the council WON'T let me do that ? one rule for all. Will the council chicken out of saying take it down ? you read it here first !
[quote][p][bold]sherrie[/bold] wrote: I'm so glad I don't live next door to that.... It really looks quite ugly![/p][/quote]Some of us DO that's the trouble ! There is no reason to put signs up like that. It isn't a church, or licensed establishment that needs to. It is telling US Islam is there. No doubt the council will have no objection if I stick a flashing neon notice over my door Jesus is the way etc.... after all religious freedom is what we are about isn't it ? Why do I feel the council WON'T let me do that ? one rule for all. Will the council chicken out of saying take it down ? you read it here first ! Mervyn James
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10:17am Tue 29 Jan 13

gathin says...

Disinformation is the word, my friend.
The powers that be should teach people that little fact in school but without conditioning where would we be?
I do agree with you BTW that the UK is being fragmented from within and the public were/ are being forced to accept it or be called racist.
Nationalism would be a great thing in the UK unfortunately the stereotypical Brit is in the minority and we're only a generation (or maybe 2) away from an Islamic state.
Disinformation is the word, my friend. The powers that be should teach people that little fact in school but without conditioning where would we be? I do agree with you BTW that the UK is being fragmented from within and the public were/ are being forced to accept it or be called racist. Nationalism would be a great thing in the UK unfortunately the stereotypical Brit is in the minority and we're only a generation (or maybe 2) away from an Islamic state. gathin
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10:50am Tue 29 Jan 13

NakedDancer says...

Mervyn James wrote:
sherrie wrote:
I'm so glad I don't live next door to that.... It really looks quite ugly!
Some of us DO that's the trouble ! There is no reason to put signs up like that. It isn't a church, or licensed establishment that needs to. It is telling US Islam is there. No doubt the council will have no objection if I stick a flashing neon notice over my door Jesus is the way etc.... after all religious freedom is what we are about isn't it ? Why do I feel the council WON'T let me do that ? one rule for all. Will the council chicken out of saying take it down ? you read it here first !
Agreed. At best this is selfish pretentious behaviour with no consideration for other people, especially the neighbours. Houses are not advertising hoardings.

In a similar vein I dislike the growing number of inappropriate roadside memorials. I'm fed up of explaining them to the kids.

We seem to have lost some personal decorum in the UK that used to be applied to such subjects.
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sherrie[/bold] wrote: I'm so glad I don't live next door to that.... It really looks quite ugly![/p][/quote]Some of us DO that's the trouble ! There is no reason to put signs up like that. It isn't a church, or licensed establishment that needs to. It is telling US Islam is there. No doubt the council will have no objection if I stick a flashing neon notice over my door Jesus is the way etc.... after all religious freedom is what we are about isn't it ? Why do I feel the council WON'T let me do that ? one rule for all. Will the council chicken out of saying take it down ? you read it here first ![/p][/quote]Agreed. At best this is selfish pretentious behaviour with no consideration for other people, especially the neighbours. Houses are not advertising hoardings. In a similar vein I dislike the growing number of inappropriate roadside memorials. I'm fed up of explaining them to the kids. We seem to have lost some personal decorum in the UK that used to be applied to such subjects. NakedDancer
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11:01am Tue 29 Jan 13

NakedDancer says...

Mike_J wrote:
Reading some of these comments it really does sound like Islamophobia is getting more common.

I see a house every day to work which says
who will save you on the day of judgement:
a- allah
b - buddhist
or
C - CHRIST

Only today after reading this story I rang the council and found out that no one has complained and nothing would be done even though that is bigger than 2 meters by 1 meter on a 3 bedroom house.

The reason for me mentioning the size is that this house is a huge building and the 2 by 1 sign seems comparability small or the correct sizes and fits in nice.

The media once again showing one side (the one it wants to or someone has told them). Am sure we got a bigger problem such as our high street rather than worrying about an Islamic sign.

Green is for peace in Islam and the colour of the house is Yellow and not pink. But obviously you have only seen a 2 by 1 picture of the house.
Hmm. Green on yellow and lit up on a huge building - thats ok then, I'm sure the neighbours will love it.

When i was a kid we would have just laughed at a house with a large religious advert on it (of any religion) - indicating a nutter lived there. Unfortunately such things are more sensitive nowadays and Islamaphobia is indeed getting more common - partly due to un-neighbourly actions like this.
[quote][p][bold]Mike_J[/bold] wrote: Reading some of these comments it really does sound like Islamophobia is getting more common. I see a house every day to work which says who will save you on the day of judgement: a- allah b - buddhist or C - CHRIST Only today after reading this story I rang the council and found out that no one has complained and nothing would be done even though that is bigger than 2 meters by 1 meter on a 3 bedroom house. The reason for me mentioning the size is that this house is a huge building and the 2 by 1 sign seems comparability small or the correct sizes and fits in nice. The media once again showing one side (the one it wants to or someone has told them). Am sure we got a bigger problem such as our high street rather than worrying about an Islamic sign. Green is for peace in Islam and the colour of the house is Yellow and not pink. But obviously you have only seen a 2 by 1 picture of the house.[/p][/quote]Hmm. Green on yellow and lit up on a huge building - thats ok then, I'm sure the neighbours will love it. When i was a kid we would have just laughed at a house with a large religious advert on it (of any religion) - indicating a nutter lived there. Unfortunately such things are more sensitive nowadays and Islamaphobia is indeed getting more common - partly due to un-neighbourly actions like this. NakedDancer
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12:34pm Tue 29 Jan 13

let em swing says...

Islam with its prejudices and hatred of jews, other religions, homosexuals and women has no place in western societies, i think the sign should be removed and all new mosques opposed as this is nothing more than an expansionist ideology that aims to conquer rather than live alongside, get it down.
Islam with its prejudices and hatred of jews, other religions, homosexuals and women has no place in western societies, i think the sign should be removed and all new mosques opposed as this is nothing more than an expansionist ideology that aims to conquer rather than live alongside, get it down. let em swing
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12:40pm Tue 29 Jan 13

let em swing says...

Its also a snub to other religions in saying there is no god but allah, its clearly a wind up for others and is an example of this faiths perception that it is above all other faiths, the educated of course know that this is nonsense, as they are all equally irrelevant fairy stories.
Its also a snub to other religions in saying there is no god but allah, its clearly a wind up for others and is an example of this faiths perception that it is above all other faiths, the educated of course know that this is nonsense, as they are all equally irrelevant fairy stories. let em swing
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1:46pm Tue 29 Jan 13

gathin says...

They are just marking their territory like a dog or a cat would. They know the game and that councils and governments are powerless to stop 'em or be called racist. The common kaffir really doesn't realise yet how this is going to play out- pretty sure those controlling the UK immigration know exactly where this is all heading. The Islamic republic of ex-Britain!
They are just marking their territory like a dog or a cat would. They know the game and that councils and governments are powerless to stop 'em or be called racist. The common kaffir really doesn't realise yet how this is going to play out- pretty sure those controlling the UK immigration know exactly where this is all heading. The Islamic republic of ex-Britain! gathin
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1:47pm Tue 29 Jan 13

rhinestine says...

It's a disgrace really, if he wants to have these kind of signs, do it in a Muslim country where this kind of thing is acceptable and the norm.

The thing with Muslims and religion as a whole, is that it causes problems!

If I lived in a Muslim country and put a cross on the side of my house, I wonder what the reaction to that would be?

This millionaire made his fortune here in the UK no doubt, but has no respect for his neighbours, or any loyalty to the GB flag I bet, just out to cause problems and get a reaction.
It's a disgrace really, if he wants to have these kind of signs, do it in a Muslim country where this kind of thing is acceptable and the norm. The thing with Muslims and religion as a whole, is that it causes problems! If I lived in a Muslim country and put a cross on the side of my house, I wonder what the reaction to that would be? This millionaire made his fortune here in the UK no doubt, but has no respect for his neighbours, or any loyalty to the GB flag I bet, just out to cause problems and get a reaction. rhinestine
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1:48pm Tue 29 Jan 13

Dee-Gee says...

Mike_J wrote:
Dee-Gee wrote:
Can't comment on the vagaries of planning law... but I'm pretty sure that a 60cm tall *illuminated* sign so ostentatiously displayed is not in keeping with the principal of modesty. Perhaps the imam will have a quiet word?
Maybe not being biased with a certain religion will help. Equality.

If one religious sign comes down and then all should. If one is reported why aint the other? Maybe people have personal scores to settle.
I'm not 100% sure what you mean by "not being biased with a certain religion will help"? I'm going to assume that you mean that the person who reported it has something against Islam, but please let me know if I've misunderstood.

Unfortunately, it may be the case that it was reported spitefully, but as long as the law is applied equally to all religions when reports are received, that's all the planning officers can really do. Personally though, I'd think that it was probably more motivated by concerns about property values than any particular grudge. It's been a difficult decade for religious tolerance, and I can understand that religious communities must feel like the whole world's against them sometimes, especially if you read online comments.

But out in the real world, people generally want to just get on with their lives and not worry about stuff like that. They do worry about their house values though!
[quote][p][bold]Mike_J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dee-Gee[/bold] wrote: Can't comment on the vagaries of planning law... but I'm pretty sure that a 60cm tall *illuminated* sign so ostentatiously displayed is not in keeping with the principal of modesty. Perhaps the imam will have a quiet word?[/p][/quote]Maybe not being biased with a certain religion will help. Equality. If one religious sign comes down and then all should. If one is reported why aint the other? Maybe people have personal scores to settle.[/p][/quote]I'm not 100% sure what you mean by "not being biased with a certain religion will help"? I'm going to assume that you mean that the person who reported it has something against Islam, but please let me know if I've misunderstood. Unfortunately, it may be the case that it was reported spitefully, but as long as the law is applied equally to all religions when reports are received, that's all the planning officers can really do. Personally though, I'd think that it was probably more motivated by concerns about property values than any particular grudge. It's been a difficult decade for religious tolerance, and I can understand that religious communities must feel like the whole world's against them sometimes, especially if you read online comments. But out in the real world, people generally want to just get on with their lives and not worry about stuff like that. They do worry about their house values though! Dee-Gee
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2:01pm Tue 29 Jan 13

Dee-Gee says...

tomh2012 wrote:
I don't see why this should be accepted, with no intention of coming across as racist but this is Great BRITAIN but yet we constantly have to adapt our laws and way of living to accommodate for minorities, which may i add are not such a minority anymore. Its got to the point where staff at large chain shops and schools are no longer allowed to say merry christmas as it may offend the religious minorities. Fair enough that this person has their beliefs they are entitled to that as a human being but if somebody was a supporter of the nazi regime and made a swastika available for all to see then it would not be tolerated, so i ask why make acceptions for other beleifs and religions. There are many places of worship for many religions throughout newport where a persons feeling and loyalty to their religion can be shown there or from inside there homes.
It has NOT got to the point where staff at large chain stores and schools are not allowed to say Merry christmas - this is a stupid, paranoid lie that's been going for years, right back before Birmingham Council supposedly "banned Christmas" in 1997....
http://www.webcitati
on.org/632PVQm8Q

If you can tell me which stores and schools have banned saying "Merry Christmas", I will donate a day's pay to the "Keep Christ in Christmas Campaign", and campaign against the ban.
[quote][p][bold]tomh2012[/bold] wrote: I don't see why this should be accepted, with no intention of coming across as racist but this is Great BRITAIN but yet we constantly have to adapt our laws and way of living to accommodate for minorities, which may i add are not such a minority anymore. Its got to the point where staff at large chain shops and schools are no longer allowed to say merry christmas as it may offend the religious minorities. Fair enough that this person has their beliefs they are entitled to that as a human being but if somebody was a supporter of the nazi regime and made a swastika available for all to see then it would not be tolerated, so i ask why make acceptions for other beleifs and religions. There are many places of worship for many religions throughout newport where a persons feeling and loyalty to their religion can be shown there or from inside there homes.[/p][/quote]It has NOT got to the point where staff at large chain stores and schools are not allowed to say Merry christmas - this is a stupid, paranoid lie that's been going for years, right back before Birmingham Council supposedly "banned Christmas" in 1997.... http://www.webcitati on.org/632PVQm8Q If you can tell me which stores and schools have banned saying "Merry Christmas", I will donate a day's pay to the "Keep Christ in Christmas Campaign", and campaign against the ban. Dee-Gee
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2:05pm Tue 29 Jan 13

gathin says...

The UK is a Christian country.
It's not Saudi, Yemen, Kuwait or anywhere else. I'm agnostic where it comes to religion but thios is a Christian country. The adage "when in Rome" should have been enforced before this got out of hand and unfortunately it is now far,far too late.
The UK is a Christian country. It's not Saudi, Yemen, Kuwait or anywhere else. I'm agnostic where it comes to religion but thios is a Christian country. The adage "when in Rome" should have been enforced before this got out of hand and unfortunately it is now far,far too late. gathin
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2:12pm Tue 29 Jan 13

tomh2012 says...

Dee-Gee wrote:
tomh2012 wrote:
I don't see why this should be accepted, with no intention of coming across as racist but this is Great BRITAIN but yet we constantly have to adapt our laws and way of living to accommodate for minorities, which may i add are not such a minority anymore. Its got to the point where staff at large chain shops and schools are no longer allowed to say merry christmas as it may offend the religious minorities. Fair enough that this person has their beliefs they are entitled to that as a human being but if somebody was a supporter of the nazi regime and made a swastika available for all to see then it would not be tolerated, so i ask why make acceptions for other beleifs and religions. There are many places of worship for many religions throughout newport where a persons feeling and loyalty to their religion can be shown there or from inside there homes.
It has NOT got to the point where staff at large chain stores and schools are not allowed to say Merry christmas - this is a stupid, paranoid lie that's been going for years, right back before Birmingham Council supposedly "banned Christmas" in 1997....
http://www.webcitati

on.org/632PVQm8Q

If you can tell me which stores and schools have banned saying "Merry Christmas", I will donate a day's pay to the "Keep Christ in Christmas Campaign", and campaign against the ban.
Several friends and mutual contacts that worked in asda and sainsburys were told by management no to say merry Christmas but instead say happy holidays as some may be offended if their religion does not celebrate the birth of Christ. Same was said sever schools throughout Newport.
[quote][p][bold]Dee-Gee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tomh2012[/bold] wrote: I don't see why this should be accepted, with no intention of coming across as racist but this is Great BRITAIN but yet we constantly have to adapt our laws and way of living to accommodate for minorities, which may i add are not such a minority anymore. Its got to the point where staff at large chain shops and schools are no longer allowed to say merry christmas as it may offend the religious minorities. Fair enough that this person has their beliefs they are entitled to that as a human being but if somebody was a supporter of the nazi regime and made a swastika available for all to see then it would not be tolerated, so i ask why make acceptions for other beleifs and religions. There are many places of worship for many religions throughout newport where a persons feeling and loyalty to their religion can be shown there or from inside there homes.[/p][/quote]It has NOT got to the point where staff at large chain stores and schools are not allowed to say Merry christmas - this is a stupid, paranoid lie that's been going for years, right back before Birmingham Council supposedly "banned Christmas" in 1997.... http://www.webcitati on.org/632PVQm8Q If you can tell me which stores and schools have banned saying "Merry Christmas", I will donate a day's pay to the "Keep Christ in Christmas Campaign", and campaign against the ban.[/p][/quote]Several friends and mutual contacts that worked in asda and sainsburys were told by management no to say merry Christmas but instead say happy holidays as some may be offended if their religion does not celebrate the birth of Christ. Same was said sever schools throughout Newport. tomh2012
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2:35pm Tue 29 Jan 13

coalpicker says...

Minority Mr Bump ? read a few national
newspapers , you will find that you are in that category. Can recommend
Littlejohn in the Mail today. Please
accept my concern for your cataracts,
perhaps specsavers could be an option .
Minority Mr Bump ? read a few national newspapers , you will find that you are in that category. Can recommend Littlejohn in the Mail today. Please accept my concern for your cataracts, perhaps specsavers could be an option . coalpicker
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3:10pm Tue 29 Jan 13

Independentvoter says...

This is terrible news lol !

You would not see British people who have permanantly moved to Spain flying a British Flag or displaying a Christian sign outside any of their Cafes or Bars. Would you ?
This is terrible news lol ! You would not see British people who have permanantly moved to Spain flying a British Flag or displaying a Christian sign outside any of their Cafes or Bars. Would you ? Independentvoter
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3:11pm Tue 29 Jan 13

let em swing says...

Hope the local council workers will be getting police protection when they go to take it down, undoubtedly the Behead the Infidel rent a crew will be out for the day.
Hope the local council workers will be getting police protection when they go to take it down, undoubtedly the Behead the Infidel rent a crew will be out for the day. let em swing
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3:15pm Tue 29 Jan 13

let em swing says...

Surely with WAG funding this sign should also be displayed in welsh .
Surely with WAG funding this sign should also be displayed in welsh . let em swing
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3:20pm Tue 29 Jan 13

Mr Bump. says...

Coalpicker, it doesn't surprise me that you're a mail reader. I don't need to read right wing rags to form an opinion of my own.
Coalpicker, it doesn't surprise me that you're a mail reader. I don't need to read right wing rags to form an opinion of my own. Mr Bump.
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3:32pm Tue 29 Jan 13

Mr Bump. says...

rhinestine wrote:
It's a disgrace really, if he wants to have these kind of signs, do it in a Muslim country where this kind of thing is acceptable and the norm.

The thing with Muslims and religion as a whole, is that it causes problems!

If I lived in a Muslim country and put a cross on the side of my house, I wonder what the reaction to that would be?

This millionaire made his fortune here in the UK no doubt, but has no respect for his neighbours, or any loyalty to the GB flag I bet, just out to cause problems and get a reaction.
Rhinestein "If I lived in a Muslim country and put a cross on the side of my house, I wonder what the reaction to that would be?"
I imagine you'd stir them up further by setting it on fire and wear a pillowcase over your head. ;-)
[quote][p][bold]rhinestine[/bold] wrote: It's a disgrace really, if he wants to have these kind of signs, do it in a Muslim country where this kind of thing is acceptable and the norm. The thing with Muslims and religion as a whole, is that it causes problems! If I lived in a Muslim country and put a cross on the side of my house, I wonder what the reaction to that would be? This millionaire made his fortune here in the UK no doubt, but has no respect for his neighbours, or any loyalty to the GB flag I bet, just out to cause problems and get a reaction.[/p][/quote]Rhinestein "If I lived in a Muslim country and put a cross on the side of my house, I wonder what the reaction to that would be?" I imagine you'd stir them up further by setting it on fire and wear a pillowcase over your head. ;-) Mr Bump.
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3:51pm Tue 29 Jan 13

coalpicker says...

The Guardian,The Observer, The Argus
and The western mail,Also a
TGWU district Chairman, regional TUC
Representative ,County and local authority member ,Ex Coal Miner and Regular soldier serving in Korea, various countries in the middle east,and Europe. Very right wing ?
The Guardian,The Observer, The Argus and The western mail,Also a TGWU district Chairman, regional TUC Representative ,County and local authority member ,Ex Coal Miner and Regular soldier serving in Korea, various countries in the middle east,and Europe. Very right wing ? coalpicker
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4:02pm Tue 29 Jan 13

coalpicker says...

I suspect Mr Bump is so anti British
and PC, he would not recite Baa Baa Blacksheep to his grand children .
I suspect Mr Bump is so anti British and PC, he would not recite Baa Baa Blacksheep to his grand children . coalpicker
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4:25pm Tue 29 Jan 13

Dee-Gee says...

tomh2012 wrote:
Dee-Gee wrote:
tomh2012 wrote:
I don't see why this should be accepted, with no intention of coming across as racist but this is Great BRITAIN but yet we constantly have to adapt our laws and way of living to accommodate for minorities, which may i add are not such a minority anymore. Its got to the point where staff at large chain shops and schools are no longer allowed to say merry christmas as it may offend the religious minorities. Fair enough that this person has their beliefs they are entitled to that as a human being but if somebody was a supporter of the nazi regime and made a swastika available for all to see then it would not be tolerated, so i ask why make acceptions for other beleifs and religions. There are many places of worship for many religions throughout newport where a persons feeling and loyalty to their religion can be shown there or from inside there homes.
It has NOT got to the point where staff at large chain stores and schools are not allowed to say Merry christmas - this is a stupid, paranoid lie that's been going for years, right back before Birmingham Council supposedly "banned Christmas" in 1997....
http://www.webcitati


on.org/632PVQm8Q

If you can tell me which stores and schools have banned saying "Merry Christmas", I will donate a day's pay to the "Keep Christ in Christmas Campaign", and campaign against the ban.
Several friends and mutual contacts that worked in asda and sainsburys were told by management no to say merry Christmas but instead say happy holidays as some may be offended if their religion does not celebrate the birth of Christ. Same was said sever schools throughout Newport.
That is very concerning. Which ASDA and Sainsburys? And can you tell me which schools?
[quote][p][bold]tomh2012[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dee-Gee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tomh2012[/bold] wrote: I don't see why this should be accepted, with no intention of coming across as racist but this is Great BRITAIN but yet we constantly have to adapt our laws and way of living to accommodate for minorities, which may i add are not such a minority anymore. Its got to the point where staff at large chain shops and schools are no longer allowed to say merry christmas as it may offend the religious minorities. Fair enough that this person has their beliefs they are entitled to that as a human being but if somebody was a supporter of the nazi regime and made a swastika available for all to see then it would not be tolerated, so i ask why make acceptions for other beleifs and religions. There are many places of worship for many religions throughout newport where a persons feeling and loyalty to their religion can be shown there or from inside there homes.[/p][/quote]It has NOT got to the point where staff at large chain stores and schools are not allowed to say Merry christmas - this is a stupid, paranoid lie that's been going for years, right back before Birmingham Council supposedly "banned Christmas" in 1997.... http://www.webcitati on.org/632PVQm8Q If you can tell me which stores and schools have banned saying "Merry Christmas", I will donate a day's pay to the "Keep Christ in Christmas Campaign", and campaign against the ban.[/p][/quote]Several friends and mutual contacts that worked in asda and sainsburys were told by management no to say merry Christmas but instead say happy holidays as some may be offended if their religion does not celebrate the birth of Christ. Same was said sever schools throughout Newport.[/p][/quote]That is very concerning. Which ASDA and Sainsburys? And can you tell me which schools? Dee-Gee
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4:30pm Tue 29 Jan 13

Dee-Gee says...

I will keep my word and get on to this, though I do suspect it's the fault of some idiot manager whose understanding of equality legislation is gleaned through the tabloids, rather than actual corporate policy.
I will keep my word and get on to this, though I do suspect it's the fault of some idiot manager whose understanding of equality legislation is gleaned through the tabloids, rather than actual corporate policy. Dee-Gee
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5:04pm Tue 29 Jan 13

Anne teak says...

This is not a case 'free speech' as others have suggested.


There is no speaking involved.

As far as I know, the UK has not got a long tradition of 'free signage'.
This is not a case 'free speech' as others have suggested. There is no speaking involved. As far as I know, the UK has not got a long tradition of 'free signage'. Anne teak
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6:11pm Tue 29 Jan 13

Strider says...

smokintheweed wrote:
This is not news. This is not important either.
Agreed!!! It was only reported as the Argus knew the 200 + posts containing the usual tit for tat insults from Internet Rambo's shouting everyone down.. Well the Argus did well out of all those hits..
[quote][p][bold]smokintheweed[/bold] wrote: This is not news. This is not important either.[/p][/quote]Agreed!!! It was only reported as the Argus knew the 200 + posts containing the usual tit for tat insults from Internet Rambo's shouting everyone down.. Well the Argus did well out of all those hits.. Strider
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6:38pm Tue 29 Jan 13

let em swing says...

Strider wrote:
smokintheweed wrote:
This is not news. This is not important either.
Agreed!!! It was only reported as the Argus knew the 200 + posts containing the usual tit for tat insults from Internet Rambo's shouting everyone down.. Well the Argus did well out of all those hits..
Well its made the dailys so obviously its newsworthy.
[quote][p][bold]Strider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smokintheweed[/bold] wrote: This is not news. This is not important either.[/p][/quote]Agreed!!! It was only reported as the Argus knew the 200 + posts containing the usual tit for tat insults from Internet Rambo's shouting everyone down.. Well the Argus did well out of all those hits..[/p][/quote]Well its made the dailys so obviously its newsworthy. let em swing
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7:04pm Tue 29 Jan 13

llandaff says...

This sign is just is not necessary. Now that we know what it says, what purpose does it serve other than to inflict needless religious provocation on the neighbourhood? If the occupants of the house are believers in Islam then good luck to them. But in a democratic society I could not care less if they are and quite frankly don't want to know.They are not special.
This sign is just is not necessary. Now that we know what it says, what purpose does it serve other than to inflict needless religious provocation on the neighbourhood? If the occupants of the house are believers in Islam then good luck to them. But in a democratic society I could not care less if they are and quite frankly don't want to know.They are not special. llandaff
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7:36pm Tue 29 Jan 13

welshmen says...

No need for any religious sign over a domestic residence unless you want confrontation especially in our Country. This Religion is not compatible with Democracy, they don't like Jews Christians, they don't treat woman as equals, read the Koran it's quite explanative,

While this Religion keeps chipping away at our Christian based way of life and the Mp's keep sucking up to them for votes things will as mentioned get worse as there population exceeds the indigenous British, Religion is not a RACE don't be fooled by the PC posters here, we are entitled to debate anything we find of interest,Some one mention the Nazi's, there Leader Mr Hitler tried to spread his doctrine by bombing Europe, this Country and the rest of the world, he failed thank God, if he had tried not firing one bullet and relied on breeding the out come could have been the same as we are experiencing now....
No need for any religious sign over a domestic residence unless you want confrontation especially in our Country. This Religion is not compatible with Democracy, they don't like Jews Christians, they don't treat woman as equals, read the Koran it's quite explanative, While this Religion keeps chipping away at our Christian based way of life and the Mp's keep sucking up to them for votes things will as mentioned get worse as there population exceeds the indigenous British, Religion is not a RACE don't be fooled by the PC posters here, we are entitled to debate anything we find of interest,Some one mention the Nazi's, there Leader Mr Hitler tried to spread his doctrine by bombing Europe, this Country and the rest of the world, he failed thank God, if he had tried not firing one bullet and relied on breeding the out come could have been the same as we are experiencing now.... welshmen
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7:38pm Tue 29 Jan 13

let em swing says...

Tread carefully we now live in an orwelian state, cartoons get buildings burnt down by the religion of tolerance.
http://www.liveleak.
com/view?i=9cd_13569
13972
Tread carefully we now live in an orwelian state, cartoons get buildings burnt down by the religion of tolerance. http://www.liveleak. com/view?i=9cd_13569 13972 let em swing
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8:58pm Tue 29 Jan 13

Limestonecowboy says...

'Bless this House' is this what Sid James had over his front door?
'Bless this House' is this what Sid James had over his front door? Limestonecowboy
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9:18pm Tue 29 Jan 13

Riley2012 says...

This millionaire also owns the old lawn club across the road, i don't think he really cares about his neighbours going by the mess of once a lovely building now a big ruin ??.
This millionaire also owns the old lawn club across the road, i don't think he really cares about his neighbours going by the mess of once a lovely building now a big ruin ??. Riley2012
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9:47pm Tue 29 Jan 13

Dee-Gee says...

Well, it didn't take long for a debate that's basically about planning regulations to be hijacked by the shrieking Chicken Littles of the forum, did it?

Oh em gee a man put up a tacky sign on his house and is appealing against removing it... it's the end of days and civilization as we know it... the sky is falling!
Well, it didn't take long for a debate that's basically about planning regulations to be hijacked by the shrieking Chicken Littles of the forum, did it? Oh em gee a man put up a tacky sign on his house and is appealing against removing it... it's the end of days and civilization as we know it... the sky is falling! Dee-Gee
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10:52pm Tue 29 Jan 13

scraptheWAG says...

THIS IS HILARIOUS - Newport council worrying about a green sign in Maindee, most of newport now lies in absolute ruins Maindee looks like a shanty town shops and pubs all boarded up and smashed up a absolutely shocking state. Its a bit like worrying about a stain on your carpet when your roof has just collapsed.
THIS IS HILARIOUS - Newport council worrying about a green sign in Maindee, most of newport now lies in absolute ruins Maindee looks like a shanty town shops and pubs all boarded up and smashed up a absolutely shocking state. Its a bit like worrying about a stain on your carpet when your roof has just collapsed. scraptheWAG
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10:53pm Tue 29 Jan 13

foxy3rd says...

If I saw this sign I wouldn't know what it meant or related to.It could be advertising an Islamic denture repairers for all I know .But if he if he is advertising is it true,could be a case for the trading standards office.But look how often they let a certain local d.i.y. Store have a retirement,end of lease,change of ownership, stocktaking,change of underpants sale etc.etc.etc.with the same old face always there,don't expect much action
If he is trying to force his dogma on people then it's a different matter.If you asked which European country had forced a small neighbour to stop teaching it's children their own language and forced adults whose names they couldn't understand to change them,that the perpertrator would have been Stalinist Russia or nazi Germany.When one sees that the names that they were forced to take were biblical ones surnames such as Adam,Abraham,Daniel,
David,Isaac,Jeremiah
,John,Joseph,Moses etc.etc.etc.or Jones,it would surprise most people to learn that England had done it to Wales to keep control of Wales' natural resources to build the empire.Thin end of the wedge this sign.;-)
If I saw this sign I wouldn't know what it meant or related to.It could be advertising an Islamic denture repairers for all I know .But if he if he is advertising is it true,could be a case for the trading standards office.But look how often they let a certain local d.i.y. Store have a retirement,end of lease,change of ownership, stocktaking,change of underpants sale etc.etc.etc.with the same old face always there,don't expect much action If he is trying to force his dogma on people then it's a different matter.If you asked which European country had forced a small neighbour to stop teaching it's children their own language and forced adults whose names they couldn't understand to change them,that the perpertrator would have been Stalinist Russia or nazi Germany.When one sees that the names that they were forced to take were biblical ones surnames such as Adam,Abraham,Daniel, David,Isaac,Jeremiah ,John,Joseph,Moses etc.etc.etc.or Jones,it would surprise most people to learn that England had done it to Wales to keep control of Wales' natural resources to build the empire.Thin end of the wedge this sign.;-) foxy3rd
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10:24am Wed 30 Jan 13

rhinestine says...

Bottom line is, most people are fed up of the constant in your face, I got rights, I can do what I want attitude of people from other countries who decide to live here in the UK.

If people want to live here, no problem, support themselves, get a job and integrate and respect the country, fine, no problem.

But it seems a large portion of people who settle here do not want to integrate, they want to take over and take control, they see any opposition they may face as a breach of their human rights.
Bottom line is, most people are fed up of the constant in your face, I got rights, I can do what I want attitude of people from other countries who decide to live here in the UK. If people want to live here, no problem, support themselves, get a job and integrate and respect the country, fine, no problem. But it seems a large portion of people who settle here do not want to integrate, they want to take over and take control, they see any opposition they may face as a breach of their human rights. rhinestine
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11:27am Wed 30 Jan 13

Dee-Gee says...

You take issue with people having rights and being able to do what they want, rhinestine?

I think most people are happy for others to do what they want, as long as it's within the law and not bothering anyone.
You take issue with people having rights and being able to do what they want, rhinestine? I think most people are happy for others to do what they want, as long as it's within the law and not bothering anyone. Dee-Gee
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11:46am Wed 30 Jan 13

rhinestine says...

But this is bothering people, namely British people. I live in Wales, not a Muslim country, if I were in a muslim country I would not expect to see a fb flag, welsh flag or a cross plastered over a house.

Do you see the point? Integration and respect is the key here.
But this is bothering people, namely British people. I live in Wales, not a Muslim country, if I were in a muslim country I would not expect to see a fb flag, welsh flag or a cross plastered over a house. Do you see the point? Integration and respect is the key here. rhinestine
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11:48am Wed 30 Jan 13

welshmen says...

rhinestone: Well said, they are NOT allowed to integrate, that's the shame, most of the Asian population don't integrate if they did a doubt we'd have an issue, they do live a separate life in our Country no matter what the PC and Liberals want you to believe....
rhinestone: Well said, they are NOT allowed to integrate, that's the shame, most of the Asian population don't integrate if they did a doubt we'd have an issue, they do live a separate life in our Country no matter what the PC and Liberals want you to believe.... welshmen
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12:07pm Wed 30 Jan 13

username2 says...

If it's against planning, take it down. If it's not, don't. Not a problem.
If it's against planning, take it down. If it's not, don't. Not a problem. username2
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12:14pm Wed 30 Jan 13

rhinestine says...

Welshman - thank you, they don't want to bother with us, they just want to do as they would in their own country.

This sign is a glaring example of disregard for the folk around him and the domineering attitude that certain people who come to our great country have.
Welshman - thank you, they don't want to bother with us, they just want to do as they would in their own country. This sign is a glaring example of disregard for the folk around him and the domineering attitude that certain people who come to our great country have. rhinestine
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12:36pm Wed 30 Jan 13

Howie' says...

63 comments and counting, sorry I just fail to see what the problem is. It's a planning dispute and if this guy is in the right he will be allowed to keep his sign if not down it will come, just like any other planning issue. The only difference here is the guy is Muslim and that one word seems to bring out the best in people. If it had been a white Newportonian then this story would not have attracted a hand-full of comments.
63 comments and counting, sorry I just fail to see what the problem is. It's a planning dispute and if this guy is in the right he will be allowed to keep his sign if not down it will come, just like any other planning issue. The only difference here is the guy is Muslim and that one word seems to bring out the best in people. If it had been a white Newportonian then this story would not have attracted a hand-full of comments. Howie'
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1:39pm Wed 30 Jan 13

welshmen says...

While people fail to see or don't or wont see there is a problem, it will get more in your face, until the problem is addressed. Stories like this bring out other issues, get used to it because it's not going away....
While people fail to see or don't or wont see there is a problem, it will get more in your face, until the problem is addressed. Stories like this bring out other issues, get used to it because it's not going away.... welshmen
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1:49pm Wed 30 Jan 13

rhinestine says...

Howie' wrote:
63 comments and counting, sorry I just fail to see what the problem is. It's a planning dispute and if this guy is in the right he will be allowed to keep his sign if not down it will come, just like any other planning issue. The only difference here is the guy is Muslim and that one word seems to bring out the best in people. If it had been a white Newportonian then this story would not have attracted a hand-full of comments.
Your right, it would not have attracted so much attention, but what the sign says is provocative and the fact that, again, a Muslim is up in arms because they can't have their own way and obey our laws and integrate with our culture.

If the story was not in relation to Muslim, then the Argus would not have bothered printing it...would they?

It would be nice for a change for people to have some respect for the folk who live here.
[quote][p][bold]Howie'[/bold] wrote: 63 comments and counting, sorry I just fail to see what the problem is. It's a planning dispute and if this guy is in the right he will be allowed to keep his sign if not down it will come, just like any other planning issue. The only difference here is the guy is Muslim and that one word seems to bring out the best in people. If it had been a white Newportonian then this story would not have attracted a hand-full of comments.[/p][/quote]Your right, it would not have attracted so much attention, but what the sign says is provocative and the fact that, again, a Muslim is up in arms because they can't have their own way and obey our laws and integrate with our culture. If the story was not in relation to Muslim, then the Argus would not have bothered printing it...would they? It would be nice for a change for people to have some respect for the folk who live here. rhinestine
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1:53pm Wed 30 Jan 13

gathin says...

I think it still would have been posted as there's not an awful lot going on around town.
I'm just amazed that these posts, even though I agree and condone the majority of the public views, haven't been censored.
I think it still would have been posted as there's not an awful lot going on around town. I'm just amazed that these posts, even though I agree and condone the majority of the public views, haven't been censored. gathin
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2:11pm Wed 30 Jan 13

rhinestine says...

The whole country is at breaking point......
The whole country is at breaking point...... rhinestine
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2:59pm Wed 30 Jan 13

Mr Bump. says...

rhinestine wrote:
The whole country is at breaking point......
No it isn't.
[quote][p][bold]rhinestine[/bold] wrote: The whole country is at breaking point......[/p][/quote]No it isn't. Mr Bump.
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3:30pm Wed 30 Jan 13

welshmen says...

gathin wrote:
I think it still would have been posted as there's not an awful lot going on around town.
I'm just amazed that these posts, even though I agree and condone the majority of the public views, haven't been censored.
Censored for what? telling the truth? debating a UK & EU problem? freedom of speech is still available in this country....that's why we use this post...
[quote][p][bold]gathin[/bold] wrote: I think it still would have been posted as there's not an awful lot going on around town. I'm just amazed that these posts, even though I agree and condone the majority of the public views, haven't been censored.[/p][/quote]Censored for what? telling the truth? debating a UK & EU problem? freedom of speech is still available in this country....that's why we use this post... welshmen
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3:37pm Wed 30 Jan 13

county mad says...

I must have banged my head far worse than I thought I actually agree with rhinestine!!!
I must have banged my head far worse than I thought I actually agree with rhinestine!!! county mad
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3:56pm Wed 30 Jan 13

sillybilly43 says...

Mr Bump. wrote:
tomh2012 wrote:
I don't see why this should be accepted, with no intention of coming across as racist but this is Great BRITAIN but yet we constantly have to adapt our laws and way of living to accommodate for minorities, which may i add are not such a minority anymore. Its got to the point where staff at large chain shops and schools are no longer allowed to say merry christmas as it may offend the religious minorities. Fair enough that this person has their beliefs they are entitled to that as a human being but if somebody was a supporter of the nazi regime and made a swastika available for all to see then it would not be tolerated, so i ask why make acceptions for other beleifs and religions. There are many places of worship for many religions throughout newport where a persons feeling and loyalty to their religion can be shown there or from inside there homes.
You might have no intention of coming across as racist, but you certainly do. Thankfully people with views like you are the Minority in this country.
"In the minority"???? NO. I am a bit cheesed off with all the pandering to incomers. If you come...WELCOME, BUT take the ways of THIS country, not import the ways of your home country. SORTED
[quote][p][bold]Mr Bump.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tomh2012[/bold] wrote: I don't see why this should be accepted, with no intention of coming across as racist but this is Great BRITAIN but yet we constantly have to adapt our laws and way of living to accommodate for minorities, which may i add are not such a minority anymore. Its got to the point where staff at large chain shops and schools are no longer allowed to say merry christmas as it may offend the religious minorities. Fair enough that this person has their beliefs they are entitled to that as a human being but if somebody was a supporter of the nazi regime and made a swastika available for all to see then it would not be tolerated, so i ask why make acceptions for other beleifs and religions. There are many places of worship for many religions throughout newport where a persons feeling and loyalty to their religion can be shown there or from inside there homes.[/p][/quote]You might have no intention of coming across as racist, but you certainly do. Thankfully people with views like you are the Minority in this country.[/p][/quote]"In the minority"???? NO. I am a bit cheesed off with all the pandering to incomers. If you come...WELCOME, BUT take the ways of THIS country, not import the ways of your home country. SORTED sillybilly43
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3:58pm Wed 30 Jan 13

let em swing says...

Mr Bump. wrote:
rhinestine wrote:
The whole country is at breaking point......
No it isn't.
Yes it is.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Bump.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rhinestine[/bold] wrote: The whole country is at breaking point......[/p][/quote]No it isn't.[/p][/quote]Yes it is. let em swing
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4:49pm Wed 30 Jan 13

welshmen says...

let em swing wrote:
Mr Bump. wrote:
rhinestine wrote:
The whole country is at breaking point......
No it isn't.
Yes it is.
Definitely is....
[quote][p][bold]let em swing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Bump.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rhinestine[/bold] wrote: The whole country is at breaking point......[/p][/quote]No it isn't.[/p][/quote]Yes it is.[/p][/quote]Definitely is.... welshmen
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5:15pm Wed 30 Jan 13

Mr Bump. says...

sillybilly43 wrote:
Mr Bump. wrote:
tomh2012 wrote:
I don't see why this should be accepted, with no intention of coming across as racist but this is Great BRITAIN but yet we constantly have to adapt our laws and way of living to accommodate for minorities, which may i add are not such a minority anymore. Its got to the point where staff at large chain shops and schools are no longer allowed to say merry christmas as it may offend the religious minorities. Fair enough that this person has their beliefs they are entitled to that as a human being but if somebody was a supporter of the nazi regime and made a swastika available for all to see then it would not be tolerated, so i ask why make acceptions for other beleifs and religions. There are many places of worship for many religions throughout newport where a persons feeling and loyalty to their religion can be shown there or from inside there homes.
You might have no intention of coming across as racist, but you certainly do. Thankfully people with views like you are the Minority in this country.
"In the minority"???? NO. I am a bit cheesed off with all the pandering to incomers. If you come...WELCOME, BUT take the ways of THIS country, not import the ways of your home country. SORTED
Well you certainly live up to your name.
[quote][p][bold]sillybilly43[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Bump.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tomh2012[/bold] wrote: I don't see why this should be accepted, with no intention of coming across as racist but this is Great BRITAIN but yet we constantly have to adapt our laws and way of living to accommodate for minorities, which may i add are not such a minority anymore. Its got to the point where staff at large chain shops and schools are no longer allowed to say merry christmas as it may offend the religious minorities. Fair enough that this person has their beliefs they are entitled to that as a human being but if somebody was a supporter of the nazi regime and made a swastika available for all to see then it would not be tolerated, so i ask why make acceptions for other beleifs and religions. There are many places of worship for many religions throughout newport where a persons feeling and loyalty to their religion can be shown there or from inside there homes.[/p][/quote]You might have no intention of coming across as racist, but you certainly do. Thankfully people with views like you are the Minority in this country.[/p][/quote]"In the minority"???? NO. I am a bit cheesed off with all the pandering to incomers. If you come...WELCOME, BUT take the ways of THIS country, not import the ways of your home country. SORTED[/p][/quote]Well you certainly live up to your name. Mr Bump.
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7:12pm Wed 30 Jan 13

dragonlady1 says...

Australia has the right idea telling you that it is a Christian Country, if you don't like it then find somewhere else to live
Australia has the right idea telling you that it is a Christian Country, if you don't like it then find somewhere else to live dragonlady1
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7:53pm Wed 30 Jan 13

Mwy Eira says...

The picture shown on here is not actually the full sign. There are more words either side of what is shown. I assumed that this lovely old house had been turned in to a mosque and so assumed that they would have planning permission to put the sign up too - so it is an advertisement in my book. The fact it is not a mosque but a private dwelling who didn't seek planning permission - well more fool them. Some people think planning laws don't apply to them for some reason.

I agree with you Tomh2012
"There are many places of worship for many religions throughout newport where a persons feeling and loyalty to their religion can be shown there or from inside there homes."

They can also show it by they way they dress too.
The picture shown on here is not actually the full sign. There are more words either side of what is shown. I assumed that this lovely old house had been turned in to a mosque and so assumed that they would have planning permission to put the sign up too - so it is an advertisement in my book. The fact it is not a mosque but a private dwelling who didn't seek planning permission - well more fool them. Some people think planning laws don't apply to them for some reason. I agree with you Tomh2012 "There are many places of worship for many religions throughout newport where a persons feeling and loyalty to their religion can be shown there or from inside there homes." They can also show it by they way they dress too. Mwy Eira
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8:12pm Wed 30 Jan 13

dailoco says...

Most of the comments so far are very much to the point.The majority of Muslims do not even try to be a British subject,they live in little enclaves and many do not even speak our native tongue or even want to.
Yes it is correct to mention the wearing of the Christian cross in work,that is a no no but if a Muslim wants to wear a Burka no problem at all.
We are very close to a being a Islamic society and as one writer put it let's take a leaf out of Australia and tell this group of people integrate or leave and go back to a Country that has the same ( values) ?
Most of the comments so far are very much to the point.The majority of Muslims do not even try to be a British subject,they live in little enclaves and many do not even speak our native tongue or even want to. Yes it is correct to mention the wearing of the Christian cross in work,that is a no no but if a Muslim wants to wear a Burka no problem at all. We are very close to a being a Islamic society and as one writer put it let's take a leaf out of Australia and tell this group of people integrate or leave and go back to a Country that has the same ( values) ? dailoco
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10:15pm Wed 30 Jan 13

Mr Bump. says...

dailoco wrote:
Most of the comments so far are very much to the point.The majority of Muslims do not even try to be a British subject,they live in little enclaves and many do not even speak our native tongue or even want to.
Yes it is correct to mention the wearing of the Christian cross in work,that is a no no but if a Muslim wants to wear a Burka no problem at all.
We are very close to a being a Islamic society and as one writer put it let's take a leaf out of Australia and tell this group of people integrate or leave and go back to a Country that has the same ( values) ?
I've never read such paranoid rubbish in all my life. None of that, even if were true, which it isn't, has anything to do with the story.
[quote][p][bold]dailoco[/bold] wrote: Most of the comments so far are very much to the point.The majority of Muslims do not even try to be a British subject,they live in little enclaves and many do not even speak our native tongue or even want to. Yes it is correct to mention the wearing of the Christian cross in work,that is a no no but if a Muslim wants to wear a Burka no problem at all. We are very close to a being a Islamic society and as one writer put it let's take a leaf out of Australia and tell this group of people integrate or leave and go back to a Country that has the same ( values) ?[/p][/quote]I've never read such paranoid rubbish in all my life. None of that, even if were true, which it isn't, has anything to do with the story. Mr Bump.
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10:39pm Wed 30 Jan 13

dailoco says...

Wake up and see for yourself or are you to myopic to see what is happening to our Country
Wake up and see for yourself or are you to myopic to see what is happening to our Country dailoco
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10:50pm Wed 30 Jan 13

FreeSpirit77 says...

A lot a negative coments on this piece , all because it's a muslim sign . Britian today is made up of a lot of different people with different cultures and religions . Most of these different cultures and people are here because of British foreign policies , from colonial empire until today. Most comments on this piece really expose how shallow minded people are considering that we are living in the age of technology where information is on our finger tips. So much ignorance and hate towards a group of people whose nations have been invaded and destroyed by war for OIL . This sign is very small and most people don't even know what it means , now how can anyone with a brain worry about something they can't even read ?
A lot a negative coments on this piece , all because it's a muslim sign . Britian today is made up of a lot of different people with different cultures and religions . Most of these different cultures and people are here because of British foreign policies , from colonial empire until today. Most comments on this piece really expose how shallow minded people are considering that we are living in the age of technology where information is on our finger tips. So much ignorance and hate towards a group of people whose nations have been invaded and destroyed by war for OIL . This sign is very small and most people don't even know what it means , now how can anyone with a brain worry about something they can't even read ? FreeSpirit77
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10:55pm Wed 30 Jan 13

FreeSpirit77 says...

gathin wrote:
Disinformation is the word, my friend.
The powers that be should teach people that little fact in school but without conditioning where would we be?
I do agree with you BTW that the UK is being fragmented from within and the public were/ are being forced to accept it or be called racist.
Nationalism would be a great thing in the UK unfortunately the stereotypical Brit is in the minority and we're only a generation (or maybe 2) away from an Islamic state.
Gathin , how many muslim nations have we invaded and destroyed in the last ten years ? Now where do you think those people with destroyed properties in Libya , Iraq , Afghanistan etc where should they go ? We steal they OIL and destroy their nations , they come over here seeking asylum and they are treated like animals by shallow minded brain washed racists . That sign is in arabic and not a lot of people can even read that it. Why should people object to something they can't even read ?
[quote][p][bold]gathin[/bold] wrote: Disinformation is the word, my friend. The powers that be should teach people that little fact in school but without conditioning where would we be? I do agree with you BTW that the UK is being fragmented from within and the public were/ are being forced to accept it or be called racist. Nationalism would be a great thing in the UK unfortunately the stereotypical Brit is in the minority and we're only a generation (or maybe 2) away from an Islamic state.[/p][/quote]Gathin , how many muslim nations have we invaded and destroyed in the last ten years ? Now where do you think those people with destroyed properties in Libya , Iraq , Afghanistan etc where should they go ? We steal they OIL and destroy their nations , they come over here seeking asylum and they are treated like animals by shallow minded brain washed racists . That sign is in arabic and not a lot of people can even read that it. Why should people object to something they can't even read ? FreeSpirit77
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11:01pm Wed 30 Jan 13

FreeSpirit77 says...

Britian has invaded and destroyed several muslim nations and in the process living poor people in worse conditions in Iraq , Libya , Afghanistan , and soon Iran . If muslims are hated this much that they cant even put a muslim sign on their property in a land where they call home then it's a clear reflection of how much racism and ignorance Wales is swimming in. Most people cant even read in english in Newport and yet they object to an arabic sign on private property .
Britian has invaded and destroyed several muslim nations and in the process living poor people in worse conditions in Iraq , Libya , Afghanistan , and soon Iran . If muslims are hated this much that they cant even put a muslim sign on their property in a land where they call home then it's a clear reflection of how much racism and ignorance Wales is swimming in. Most people cant even read in english in Newport and yet they object to an arabic sign on private property . FreeSpirit77
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11:04pm Wed 30 Jan 13

FreeSpirit77 says...

Most people in Newport can't even read english and yet they object to an arabic sign on private property. This is racism shown by the council , and they are promoting ignorance keeping the masses well fed on commecrial nonsense propaganda. Let the man put up a sign on his property , it's his property. People need Freedom in this fake democracy.
Most people in Newport can't even read english and yet they object to an arabic sign on private property. This is racism shown by the council , and they are promoting ignorance keeping the masses well fed on commecrial nonsense propaganda. Let the man put up a sign on his property , it's his property. People need Freedom in this fake democracy. FreeSpirit77
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11:08pm Wed 30 Jan 13

FreeSpirit77 says...

dailoco wrote:
Wake up and see for yourself or are you to myopic to see what is happening to our Country
The politicians are destroying the country and not minority innocent people . Who makes the rules and laws in this country, its the government . They send the poor men kids to fight nonsense corparate OIL wars while they get richer and the poor people get more poorer.WAKE UP and stop hating
[quote][p][bold]dailoco[/bold] wrote: Wake up and see for yourself or are you to myopic to see what is happening to our Country[/p][/quote]The politicians are destroying the country and not minority innocent people . Who makes the rules and laws in this country, its the government . They send the poor men kids to fight nonsense corparate OIL wars while they get richer and the poor people get more poorer.WAKE UP and stop hating FreeSpirit77
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11:10pm Wed 30 Jan 13

FreeSpirit77 says...

welshmen wrote:
let em swing wrote:
Mr Bump. wrote:
rhinestine wrote:
The whole country is at breaking point......
No it isn't.
Yes it is.
Definitely is....
Politicians are causing the problems and certainly not the minorities so take your problems to the politicians who spend the tax payers money on corparate OIL wars .
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]let em swing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Bump.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rhinestine[/bold] wrote: The whole country is at breaking point......[/p][/quote]No it isn't.[/p][/quote]Yes it is.[/p][/quote]Definitely is....[/p][/quote]Politicians are causing the problems and certainly not the minorities so take your problems to the politicians who spend the tax payers money on corparate OIL wars . FreeSpirit77
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11:11pm Wed 30 Jan 13

FreeSpirit77 says...

Mwy Eira wrote:
2 metres wide and 60 cm high - Why on earth does it have to be that big! A lot of people from various religions put a message by the front door to bless the house but it can only be read as you walk through or near the door. My neighbours are muslims and they express their religion by they way they live their lives and not through this type of thing. Quite shameful when you think how much money will have been wasted too.
Can you even read arabic because most people in Newport can't even read english .
[quote][p][bold]Mwy Eira[/bold] wrote: 2 metres wide and 60 cm high - Why on earth does it have to be that big! A lot of people from various religions put a message by the front door to bless the house but it can only be read as you walk through or near the door. My neighbours are muslims and they express their religion by they way they live their lives and not through this type of thing. Quite shameful when you think how much money will have been wasted too.[/p][/quote]Can you even read arabic because most people in Newport can't even read english . FreeSpirit77
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11:14pm Wed 30 Jan 13

FreeSpirit77 says...

ninebalehigh wrote:
I shouldn't get involved, but how does a green sign on a pink house reflect the ambience of the property's character and surroundings?
Can you read arabic because most people in Newport can't even read english . Why should people worry about something they can't even read , this is supposed to be a FREE COUNTRY . Is racism part of democracy in Wales? I say its his property , the man must be allowed to put a sign .
[quote][p][bold]ninebalehigh[/bold] wrote: I shouldn't get involved, but how does a green sign on a pink house reflect the ambience of the property's character and surroundings?[/p][/quote]Can you read arabic because most people in Newport can't even read english . Why should people worry about something they can't even read , this is supposed to be a FREE COUNTRY . Is racism part of democracy in Wales? I say its his property , the man must be allowed to put a sign . FreeSpirit77
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11:15pm Wed 30 Jan 13

FreeSpirit77 says...

sherrie wrote:
I'm so glad I don't live next door to that.... It really looks quite ugly!
Shallow minded ignorance , you cant even read arabic or english so why should an arabic sign worry you ?
[quote][p][bold]sherrie[/bold] wrote: I'm so glad I don't live next door to that.... It really looks quite ugly![/p][/quote]Shallow minded ignorance , you cant even read arabic or english so why should an arabic sign worry you ? FreeSpirit77
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11:18pm Wed 30 Jan 13

FreeSpirit77 says...

coalpicker wrote:
When is Newport intending to twin with
Mogadishu ? Sorry, should that read
Karachi ?
Since the invasions of Iraq , Afghanistan , Libya and soon Iran we will see more muslims coming to seek asylum in Britian because we destroy they nations for OIL .Coal picker , blame your warmonger politicians and leave the innocent minorities out of your problems because you had problms way before they arrived.
[quote][p][bold]coalpicker[/bold] wrote: When is Newport intending to twin with Mogadishu ? Sorry, should that read Karachi ?[/p][/quote]Since the invasions of Iraq , Afghanistan , Libya and soon Iran we will see more muslims coming to seek asylum in Britian because we destroy they nations for OIL .Coal picker , blame your warmonger politicians and leave the innocent minorities out of your problems because you had problms way before they arrived. FreeSpirit77
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11:22pm Wed 30 Jan 13

FreeSpirit77 says...

whatintheworld wrote:
"is also prominent within the (Kensington Place) conservation area."

That's why it's getting taken down. Don't want and riff raff near there.

In seriousness though, 2x1metre is a bit of a silly size
Nonsense , you are one of those ignorance people with racist tendencies . You complain because it's a muslim sign however you can't even read arabic so whats your point ? It's his property let the man be free to do whatever he please. Where is the freedom ? This is nothing but muslim hate from shallow minded brain washed people.
[quote][p][bold]whatintheworld[/bold] wrote: "is also prominent within the (Kensington Place) conservation area." That's why it's getting taken down. Don't want and riff raff near there. In seriousness though, 2x1metre is a bit of a silly size[/p][/quote]Nonsense , you are one of those ignorance people with racist tendencies . You complain because it's a muslim sign however you can't even read arabic so whats your point ? It's his property let the man be free to do whatever he please. Where is the freedom ? This is nothing but muslim hate from shallow minded brain washed people. FreeSpirit77
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11:25pm Wed 30 Jan 13

FreeSpirit77 says...

Mervyn James wrote:
sherrie wrote:
I'm so glad I don't live next door to that.... It really looks quite ugly!
Some of us DO that's the trouble ! There is no reason to put signs up like that. It isn't a church, or licensed establishment that needs to. It is telling US Islam is there. No doubt the council will have no objection if I stick a flashing neon notice over my door Jesus is the way etc.... after all religious freedom is what we are about isn't it ? Why do I feel the council WON'T let me do that ? one rule for all. Will the council chicken out of saying take it down ? you read it here first !
Even if you live next door , you can't even read arabic , so what's your point ? People pay council taxes and still they are not free to do whatever they want in their private properties. Is this racism part of democracy ?
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sherrie[/bold] wrote: I'm so glad I don't live next door to that.... It really looks quite ugly![/p][/quote]Some of us DO that's the trouble ! There is no reason to put signs up like that. It isn't a church, or licensed establishment that needs to. It is telling US Islam is there. No doubt the council will have no objection if I stick a flashing neon notice over my door Jesus is the way etc.... after all religious freedom is what we are about isn't it ? Why do I feel the council WON'T let me do that ? one rule for all. Will the council chicken out of saying take it down ? you read it here first ![/p][/quote]Even if you live next door , you can't even read arabic , so what's your point ? People pay council taxes and still they are not free to do whatever they want in their private properties. Is this racism part of democracy ? FreeSpirit77
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11:32pm Wed 30 Jan 13

Wildethoughts says...

Mr Bump. wrote:
dailoco wrote:
Most of the comments so far are very much to the point.The majority of Muslims do not even try to be a British subject,they live in little enclaves and many do not even speak our native tongue or even want to.
Yes it is correct to mention the wearing of the Christian cross in work,that is a no no but if a Muslim wants to wear a Burka no problem at all.
We are very close to a being a Islamic society and as one writer put it let's take a leaf out of Australia and tell this group of people integrate or leave and go back to a Country that has the same ( values) ?
I've never read such paranoid rubbish in all my life. None of that, even if were true, which it isn't, has anything to do with the story.
"we are very close to being a Islamic society" "tell this group of people integrate or leave and go back to a country that has the same values"


Dear, dear me. Its not Muslims that are the problem in this country. Its attitudes like that that are racist and cause division within communities. How many Muslims do you actually know? I mean really know, not read about in the newspapers. Its racism not Muslims that that lead to fractured communities and mistrust/ fear of 'otherness'.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Bump.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dailoco[/bold] wrote: Most of the comments so far are very much to the point.The majority of Muslims do not even try to be a British subject,they live in little enclaves and many do not even speak our native tongue or even want to. Yes it is correct to mention the wearing of the Christian cross in work,that is a no no but if a Muslim wants to wear a Burka no problem at all. We are very close to a being a Islamic society and as one writer put it let's take a leaf out of Australia and tell this group of people integrate or leave and go back to a Country that has the same ( values) ?[/p][/quote]I've never read such paranoid rubbish in all my life. None of that, even if were true, which it isn't, has anything to do with the story.[/p][/quote]"we are very close to being a Islamic society" "tell this group of people integrate or leave and go back to a country that has the same values" Dear, dear me. Its not Muslims that are the problem in this country. Its attitudes like that that are racist and cause division within communities. How many Muslims do you actually know? I mean really know, not read about in the newspapers. Its racism not Muslims that that lead to fractured communities and mistrust/ fear of 'otherness'. Wildethoughts
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11:34pm Wed 30 Jan 13

FreeSpirit77 says...

FreeSpirit77 wrote:
Mervyn James wrote:
sherrie wrote:
I'm so glad I don't live next door to that.... It really looks quite ugly!
Some of us DO that's the trouble ! There is no reason to put signs up like that. It isn't a church, or licensed establishment that needs to. It is telling US Islam is there. No doubt the council will have no objection if I stick a flashing neon notice over my door Jesus is the way etc.... after all religious freedom is what we are about isn't it ? Why do I feel the council WON'T let me do that ? one rule for all. Will the council chicken out of saying take it down ? you read it here first !
Even if you live next door , you can't even read arabic , so what's your point ? People pay council taxes and still they are not free to do whatever they want in their private properties. Is this racism part of democracy ?
People can leave their christmas lights for the whole year on display , now would anyone complain about this ? The proplem is that people only want to hate because they want to blame other people for their own failures in life. This society in Wales is starting to blame minorities for their own life failures.
[quote][p][bold]FreeSpirit77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sherrie[/bold] wrote: I'm so glad I don't live next door to that.... It really looks quite ugly![/p][/quote]Some of us DO that's the trouble ! There is no reason to put signs up like that. It isn't a church, or licensed establishment that needs to. It is telling US Islam is there. No doubt the council will have no objection if I stick a flashing neon notice over my door Jesus is the way etc.... after all religious freedom is what we are about isn't it ? Why do I feel the council WON'T let me do that ? one rule for all. Will the council chicken out of saying take it down ? you read it here first ![/p][/quote]Even if you live next door , you can't even read arabic , so what's your point ? People pay council taxes and still they are not free to do whatever they want in their private properties. Is this racism part of democracy ?[/p][/quote]People can leave their christmas lights for the whole year on display , now would anyone complain about this ? The proplem is that people only want to hate because they want to blame other people for their own failures in life. This society in Wales is starting to blame minorities for their own life failures. FreeSpirit77
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11:42pm Wed 30 Jan 13

FreeSpirit77 says...

Wildethoughts wrote:
Mr Bump. wrote:
dailoco wrote:
Most of the comments so far are very much to the point.The majority of Muslims do not even try to be a British subject,they live in little enclaves and many do not even speak our native tongue or even want to.
Yes it is correct to mention the wearing of the Christian cross in work,that is a no no but if a Muslim wants to wear a Burka no problem at all.
We are very close to a being a Islamic society and as one writer put it let's take a leaf out of Australia and tell this group of people integrate or leave and go back to a Country that has the same ( values) ?
I've never read such paranoid rubbish in all my life. None of that, even if were true, which it isn't, has anything to do with the story.
"we are very close to being a Islamic society" "tell this group of people integrate or leave and go back to a country that has the same values"


Dear, dear me. Its not Muslims that are the problem in this country. Its attitudes like that that are racist and cause division within communities. How many Muslims do you actually know? I mean really know, not read about in the newspapers. Its racism not Muslims that that lead to fractured communities and mistrust/ fear of 'otherness'.
Muslims , are religious people most of them and yet our british culture is mainly about the opposite things which the muslims are against ie alcohol , cheap women who easily open their legs to anything, pub cultures, drugs etc. This is one reason why socialising and intergrating are very difficult in Britian between muslims and locals. However we go around the world forcing democracy and freedom in every nation yet we have no freedom in Britian to do whatever we want on our own private properties. You spoke of Australia, well Australia is a stolen nation which originally belongs to the native aborigines who are not christians. So the British colonials force their culture on other people in a stolen nation of Australia
[quote][p][bold]Wildethoughts[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Bump.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dailoco[/bold] wrote: Most of the comments so far are very much to the point.The majority of Muslims do not even try to be a British subject,they live in little enclaves and many do not even speak our native tongue or even want to. Yes it is correct to mention the wearing of the Christian cross in work,that is a no no but if a Muslim wants to wear a Burka no problem at all. We are very close to a being a Islamic society and as one writer put it let's take a leaf out of Australia and tell this group of people integrate or leave and go back to a Country that has the same ( values) ?[/p][/quote]I've never read such paranoid rubbish in all my life. None of that, even if were true, which it isn't, has anything to do with the story.[/p][/quote]"we are very close to being a Islamic society" "tell this group of people integrate or leave and go back to a country that has the same values" Dear, dear me. Its not Muslims that are the problem in this country. Its attitudes like that that are racist and cause division within communities. How many Muslims do you actually know? I mean really know, not read about in the newspapers. Its racism not Muslims that that lead to fractured communities and mistrust/ fear of 'otherness'.[/p][/quote]Muslims , are religious people most of them and yet our british culture is mainly about the opposite things which the muslims are against ie alcohol , cheap women who easily open their legs to anything, pub cultures, drugs etc. This is one reason why socialising and intergrating are very difficult in Britian between muslims and locals. However we go around the world forcing democracy and freedom in every nation yet we have no freedom in Britian to do whatever we want on our own private properties. You spoke of Australia, well Australia is a stolen nation which originally belongs to the native aborigines who are not christians. So the British colonials force their culture on other people in a stolen nation of Australia FreeSpirit77
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11:47pm Wed 30 Jan 13

FreeSpirit77 says...

What does it matter , most people in Newport can't even read english later on arabic sign. Let the man bless his property the way he wants too, he bought it and it's his private property. Really we need freedom from our government and our local councils .Politcians are destroying Britian and not minorities. So people should stop blaming others for their own failures in life. Blame the government who take the tax payers funds and send the poor men's kids to fight OIL corparate wars which only benefit the rich while the poor are getting more poorer in WALES.
What does it matter , most people in Newport can't even read english later on arabic sign. Let the man bless his property the way he wants too, he bought it and it's his private property. Really we need freedom from our government and our local councils .Politcians are destroying Britian and not minorities. So people should stop blaming others for their own failures in life. Blame the government who take the tax payers funds and send the poor men's kids to fight OIL corparate wars which only benefit the rich while the poor are getting more poorer in WALES. FreeSpirit77
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11:54pm Wed 30 Jan 13

FreeSpirit77 says...

rhinestine wrote:
Welshman - thank you, they don't want to bother with us, they just want to do as they would in their own country.

This sign is a glaring example of disregard for the folk around him and the domineering attitude that certain people who come to our great country have.
Do you want foreign people to fall on your feet because you are Welsh ? When one migrates to Australia , Canada etc should you go there and fall on the feet of the aborigines or the native canadian indians ? Do people ever think about how Britian and the USA have been forcing democracy in muslim nations and stealing OIL in the process? Some of these muslims come over seeking asylum all because of USA drones and british bombs dropped on them by our politicians . Your hate and anger should be directed to politicians and certainly not minorities struggling to be accepted in this racist nation.
[quote][p][bold]rhinestine[/bold] wrote: Welshman - thank you, they don't want to bother with us, they just want to do as they would in their own country. This sign is a glaring example of disregard for the folk around him and the domineering attitude that certain people who come to our great country have.[/p][/quote]Do you want foreign people to fall on your feet because you are Welsh ? When one migrates to Australia , Canada etc should you go there and fall on the feet of the aborigines or the native canadian indians ? Do people ever think about how Britian and the USA have been forcing democracy in muslim nations and stealing OIL in the process? Some of these muslims come over seeking asylum all because of USA drones and british bombs dropped on them by our politicians . Your hate and anger should be directed to politicians and certainly not minorities struggling to be accepted in this racist nation. FreeSpirit77
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12:01am Thu 31 Jan 13

Wildethoughts says...

The person who put this sign up may be a really bad neighbour, with disregard for how others around him are impacted by having to see this sign every day. He may be a religous fantatic. He may be lots of things. Doesn't mean all Muslims are. Thats the point, he does not represent all Muslims. He represents himself. Some Christians join the BNP and base their beliefs in Christianity. Some Jews are extremely homophobic. Some atheists are sexist and racist. Does not mean all are. Its called a stereotype. And it works to cause fear and prejudice, has demonstrated in many of the comments here. And as for "most people in Newport can't even read English" - point made I think. Need I say more!
The person who put this sign up may be a really bad neighbour, with disregard for how others around him are impacted by having to see this sign every day. He may be a religous fantatic. He may be lots of things. Doesn't mean all Muslims are. Thats the point, he does not represent all Muslims. He represents himself. Some Christians join the BNP and base their beliefs in Christianity. Some Jews are extremely homophobic. Some atheists are sexist and racist. Does not mean all are. Its called a stereotype. And it works to cause fear and prejudice, has demonstrated in many of the comments here. And as for "most people in Newport can't even read English" - point made I think. Need I say more! Wildethoughts
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12:43am Thu 31 Jan 13

karlos376 says...

to be honest no one should be preached religion . or pushed into others beliefs . i was christened but dont believe in any religions
i also believe that signs should not be published everywhere . or people knocking doors on a sunday afternoon.
to be honest no one should be preached religion . or pushed into others beliefs . i was christened but dont believe in any religions i also believe that signs should not be published everywhere . or people knocking doors on a sunday afternoon. karlos376
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12:47am Thu 31 Jan 13

karlos376 says...

Wildethoughts wrote:
The person who put this sign up may be a really bad neighbour, with disregard for how others around him are impacted by having to see this sign every day. He may be a religous fantatic. He may be lots of things. Doesn't mean all Muslims are. Thats the point, he does not represent all Muslims. He represents himself. Some Christians join the BNP and base their beliefs in Christianity. Some Jews are extremely homophobic. Some atheists are sexist and racist. Does not mean all are. Its called a stereotype. And it works to cause fear and prejudice, has demonstrated in many of the comments here. And as for "most people in Newport can't even read English" - point made I think. Need I say more!
hardly anyone in newport speaks english !!!!
[quote][p][bold]Wildethoughts[/bold] wrote: The person who put this sign up may be a really bad neighbour, with disregard for how others around him are impacted by having to see this sign every day. He may be a religous fantatic. He may be lots of things. Doesn't mean all Muslims are. Thats the point, he does not represent all Muslims. He represents himself. Some Christians join the BNP and base their beliefs in Christianity. Some Jews are extremely homophobic. Some atheists are sexist and racist. Does not mean all are. Its called a stereotype. And it works to cause fear and prejudice, has demonstrated in many of the comments here. And as for "most people in Newport can't even read English" - point made I think. Need I say more![/p][/quote]hardly anyone in newport speaks english !!!! karlos376
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8:25am Thu 31 Jan 13

let em swing says...

Good thread until it was hijacked by the UAF nutters, britain for the british, we are not an islamic state,im welsh, speak 2 languages, cant understand or want to this islamic nonsense, sign down.
Good thread until it was hijacked by the UAF nutters, britain for the british, we are not an islamic state,im welsh, speak 2 languages, cant understand or want to this islamic nonsense, sign down. let em swing
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9:00am Thu 31 Jan 13

gathin says...

FreeSpirit77 wrote:
gathin wrote: Disinformation is the word, my friend. The powers that be should teach people that little fact in school but without conditioning where would we be? I do agree with you BTW that the UK is being fragmented from within and the public were/ are being forced to accept it or be called racist. Nationalism would be a great thing in the UK unfortunately the stereotypical Brit is in the minority and we're only a generation (or maybe 2) away from an Islamic state.
Gathin , how many muslim nations have we invaded and destroyed in the last ten years ? Now where do you think those people with destroyed properties in Libya , Iraq , Afghanistan etc where should they go ? We steal they OIL and destroy their nations , they come over here seeking asylum and they are treated like animals by shallow minded brain washed racists . That sign is in arabic and not a lot of people can even read that it. Why should people object to something they can't even read ?
What the government(s) have done has had nothing to do with the population. Quite a few personalities have made benefited loads over these political, country grabs. It hasn't benefited the common man one iota. If you think that we should be subjected to mass immigration and non-conformism (from these immigrants) then well done for you 'cos I don't agree with you.
[quote][p][bold]FreeSpirit77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gathin[/bold] wrote: Disinformation is the word, my friend. The powers that be should teach people that little fact in school but without conditioning where would we be? I do agree with you BTW that the UK is being fragmented from within and the public were/ are being forced to accept it or be called racist. Nationalism would be a great thing in the UK unfortunately the stereotypical Brit is in the minority and we're only a generation (or maybe 2) away from an Islamic state.[/p][/quote]Gathin , how many muslim nations have we invaded and destroyed in the last ten years ? Now where do you think those people with destroyed properties in Libya , Iraq , Afghanistan etc where should they go ? We steal they OIL and destroy their nations , they come over here seeking asylum and they are treated like animals by shallow minded brain washed racists . That sign is in arabic and not a lot of people can even read that it. Why should people object to something they can't even read ?[/p][/quote]What the government(s) have done has had nothing to do with the population. Quite a few personalities have made benefited loads over these political, country grabs. It hasn't benefited the common man one iota. If you think that we should be subjected to mass immigration and non-conformism (from these immigrants) then well done for you 'cos I don't agree with you. gathin
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10:15am Thu 31 Jan 13

rhinestine says...

county mad wrote:
I must have banged my head far worse than I thought I actually agree with rhinestine!!!
lol!!!! I have turned you!! lol!! UP THE COUNTY! LOL!!

happy new year by the way, but UK is at breaking point, we are over crowded, and it needs to stop
[quote][p][bold]county mad[/bold] wrote: I must have banged my head far worse than I thought I actually agree with rhinestine!!![/p][/quote]lol!!!! I have turned you!! lol!! UP THE COUNTY! LOL!! happy new year by the way, but UK is at breaking point, we are over crowded, and it needs to stop rhinestine
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10:18am Thu 31 Jan 13

rhinestine says...

FreeSpirit77 wrote:
Most people in Newport can't even read english and yet they object to an arabic sign on private property. This is racism shown by the council , and they are promoting ignorance keeping the masses well fed on commecrial nonsense propaganda. Let the man put up a sign on his property , it's his property. People need Freedom in this fake democracy.
Well I assume you are from Newport, so does that mean you can't read either? Your blind that's for sure if you can't see what is happening to the country!
[quote][p][bold]FreeSpirit77[/bold] wrote: Most people in Newport can't even read english and yet they object to an arabic sign on private property. This is racism shown by the council , and they are promoting ignorance keeping the masses well fed on commecrial nonsense propaganda. Let the man put up a sign on his property , it's his property. People need Freedom in this fake democracy.[/p][/quote]Well I assume you are from Newport, so does that mean you can't read either? Your blind that's for sure if you can't see what is happening to the country! rhinestine
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10:23am Thu 31 Jan 13

rhinestine says...

FreeSpirit77 wrote:
rhinestine wrote:
Welshman - thank you, they don't want to bother with us, they just want to do as they would in their own country.

This sign is a glaring example of disregard for the folk around him and the domineering attitude that certain people who come to our great country have.
Do you want foreign people to fall on your feet because you are Welsh ? When one migrates to Australia , Canada etc should you go there and fall on the feet of the aborigines or the native canadian indians ? Do people ever think about how Britian and the USA have been forcing democracy in muslim nations and stealing OIL in the process? Some of these muslims come over seeking asylum all because of USA drones and british bombs dropped on them by our politicians . Your hate and anger should be directed to politicians and certainly not minorities struggling to be accepted in this racist nation.
You must be a Muslim by the way your ranting on. We do accept minorities, that's why so many are here. But the minorities don't accept us, our way of life our culture.

How dare you call Wales racist!
[quote][p][bold]FreeSpirit77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rhinestine[/bold] wrote: Welshman - thank you, they don't want to bother with us, they just want to do as they would in their own country. This sign is a glaring example of disregard for the folk around him and the domineering attitude that certain people who come to our great country have.[/p][/quote]Do you want foreign people to fall on your feet because you are Welsh ? When one migrates to Australia , Canada etc should you go there and fall on the feet of the aborigines or the native canadian indians ? Do people ever think about how Britian and the USA have been forcing democracy in muslim nations and stealing OIL in the process? Some of these muslims come over seeking asylum all because of USA drones and british bombs dropped on them by our politicians . Your hate and anger should be directed to politicians and certainly not minorities struggling to be accepted in this racist nation.[/p][/quote]You must be a Muslim by the way your ranting on. We do accept minorities, that's why so many are here. But the minorities don't accept us, our way of life our culture. How dare you call Wales racist! rhinestine
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12:15pm Thu 31 Jan 13

gathin says...

Probably a Muslim apologist.
The real problem will start when they march through town all hooded up with "Behead those kaffirs" placards!
Shouldn't have to wait too long for that, I suppose.
Probably a Muslim apologist. The real problem will start when they march through town all hooded up with "Behead those kaffirs" placards! Shouldn't have to wait too long for that, I suppose. gathin
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12:22pm Thu 31 Jan 13

username2 says...

FreeSpirit77 - Admirable effort, unfortunately rationality is not valued on these discussion boards.
FreeSpirit77 - Admirable effort, unfortunately rationality is not valued on these discussion boards. username2
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12:58pm Thu 31 Jan 13

rhinestine says...

username2 wrote:
FreeSpirit77 - Admirable effort, unfortunately rationality is not valued on these discussion boards.
Yes, that much is clear, not only on here but in the real world as to which we are commenting on!!!
[quote][p][bold]username2[/bold] wrote: FreeSpirit77 - Admirable effort, unfortunately rationality is not valued on these discussion boards.[/p][/quote]Yes, that much is clear, not only on here but in the real world as to which we are commenting on!!! rhinestine
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1:28pm Thu 31 Jan 13

Dee-Gee says...

rhinestine wrote:
But this is bothering people, namely British people. I live in Wales, not a Muslim country, if I were in a muslim country I would not expect to see a fb flag, welsh flag or a cross plastered over a house.

Do you see the point? Integration and respect is the key here.
The only reason this sign is a problem, is the size and obtrusive nature of it.

It's. A. Planning. Issue.

Not a religious issue - it could say "Talula Does The Hula From Hawaii" and it would still be a problem for most people. The fact that it's a Muslim sign is really only relevant to people who buy into this fantasy of "Muslim invasion." People are hard-wired to imagine end-of-days scenarios - yours is no different from the hundreds that have come before.

I take your point about Muslim countries not being particularly tolerent, and this is a great shame. It doesn't mean that's something we should aspire to ourselves.

Maybe one day we *will* be able to go to countries all over the world, where there are flags of every nation and symbols of every religion on display, showing people living side by side peacefully. I hope that ours is one of the first.
[quote][p][bold]rhinestine[/bold] wrote: But this is bothering people, namely British people. I live in Wales, not a Muslim country, if I were in a muslim country I would not expect to see a fb flag, welsh flag or a cross plastered over a house. Do you see the point? Integration and respect is the key here.[/p][/quote]The only reason this sign is a problem, is the size and obtrusive nature of it. It's. A. Planning. Issue. Not a religious issue - it could say "Talula Does The Hula From Hawaii" and it would still be a problem for most people. The fact that it's a Muslim sign is really only relevant to people who buy into this fantasy of "Muslim invasion." People are hard-wired to imagine end-of-days scenarios - yours is no different from the hundreds that have come before. I take your point about Muslim countries not being particularly tolerent, and this is a great shame. It doesn't mean that's something we should aspire to ourselves. Maybe one day we *will* be able to go to countries all over the world, where there are flags of every nation and symbols of every religion on display, showing people living side by side peacefully. I hope that ours is one of the first. Dee-Gee
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1:36pm Thu 31 Jan 13

Howie' says...

rhinestine wrote:
Howie' wrote:
63 comments and counting, sorry I just fail to see what the problem is. It's a planning dispute and if this guy is in the right he will be allowed to keep his sign if not down it will come, just like any other planning issue. The only difference here is the guy is Muslim and that one word seems to bring out the best in people. If it had been a white Newportonian then this story would not have attracted a hand-full of comments.
Your right, it would not have attracted so much attention, but what the sign says is provocative and the fact that, again, a Muslim is up in arms because they can't have their own way and obey our laws and integrate with our culture.

If the story was not in relation to Muslim, then the Argus would not have bothered printing it...would they?

It would be nice for a change for people to have some respect for the folk who live here.
Why is the sign provocative? It's not as though anyone would have known what it said if the Argus had not translated it. How is this 'Muslim up in arms because they can't have their own way and obey our laws and integrate with our culture' when all he is doing is appealing against a planning decision, something which I and many others have done? Can you explain what law he is not obeying and what Culture he should integrate in to?

110 comments mostly predicting the end of life as we know it just because some guy is appealing against a planning decision, you couldn't make it up.
[quote][p][bold]rhinestine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Howie'[/bold] wrote: 63 comments and counting, sorry I just fail to see what the problem is. It's a planning dispute and if this guy is in the right he will be allowed to keep his sign if not down it will come, just like any other planning issue. The only difference here is the guy is Muslim and that one word seems to bring out the best in people. If it had been a white Newportonian then this story would not have attracted a hand-full of comments.[/p][/quote]Your right, it would not have attracted so much attention, but what the sign says is provocative and the fact that, again, a Muslim is up in arms because they can't have their own way and obey our laws and integrate with our culture. If the story was not in relation to Muslim, then the Argus would not have bothered printing it...would they? It would be nice for a change for people to have some respect for the folk who live here.[/p][/quote]Why is the sign provocative? It's not as though anyone would have known what it said if the Argus had not translated it. How is this 'Muslim up in arms because they can't have their own way and obey our laws and integrate with our culture' when all he is doing is appealing against a planning decision, something which I and many others have done? Can you explain what law he is not obeying and what Culture he should integrate in to? 110 comments mostly predicting the end of life as we know it just because some guy is appealing against a planning decision, you couldn't make it up. Howie'
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1:41pm Thu 31 Jan 13

gathin says...

Nice "head in the clouds" post DeeGee!
Nice "head in the clouds" post DeeGee! gathin
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2:27pm Thu 31 Jan 13

rhinestine says...

Because they do not integrate, British people on the whole don't trust them, they hate the western ways according to their Koran. They do not come here to settle and be part of the community, they build their own community and hate anyone who is not a Muslim going anywhere near it.

If you walk into a Muslim area in Oldham you are likely to welcomed with a great deal of hostility because you are not a Muslim.

But, they don't mind getting free hand-outs and health care from our system when the vast majority are claiming benefits and do not care about the country, they only care about what they can get.

As stated, if I were to have a house in Yemen and plastered "there is only one god and one book, the bible" I would be lynched! Not asked by the local council to take it down.

But I would not do it, because I know that their laws and culture are dear to them, and would not want to cause offence.

It's about respect and not trying to take over and making out (in this case) that he is a victim of racism.
Because they do not integrate, British people on the whole don't trust them, they hate the western ways according to their Koran. They do not come here to settle and be part of the community, they build their own community and hate anyone who is not a Muslim going anywhere near it. If you walk into a Muslim area in Oldham you are likely to welcomed with a great deal of hostility because you are not a Muslim. But, they don't mind getting free hand-outs and health care from our system when the vast majority are claiming benefits and do not care about the country, they only care about what they can get. As stated, if I were to have a house in Yemen and plastered "there is only one god and one book, the bible" I would be lynched! Not asked by the local council to take it down. But I would not do it, because I know that their laws and culture are dear to them, and would not want to cause offence. It's about respect and not trying to take over and making out (in this case) that he is a victim of racism. rhinestine
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2:31pm Thu 31 Jan 13

Dee-Gee says...

Nice playground insult, gathin!

Care to challenge the content of the post, or shall we just skip straight to whose dad can beat up whose?
Nice playground insult, gathin! Care to challenge the content of the post, or shall we just skip straight to whose dad can beat up whose? Dee-Gee
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2:43pm Thu 31 Jan 13

let em swing says...

Things like this annoy me ... Ministers have ruled that men in polygamous marriages can receive state handouts for each wife, including additional income support, even though bigamy is illegal in the UK, guess which religion benefits from this ???
Things like this annoy me ... Ministers have ruled that men in polygamous marriages can receive state handouts for each wife, including additional income support, even though bigamy is illegal in the UK, guess which religion benefits from this ??? let em swing
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2:49pm Thu 31 Jan 13

Dee-Gee says...

rhinestine - this is not Oldham, this is not Yemen. This is Newport, a wonderful tolerant place to live, a few idiots not withstanding. And this is a ridiculous fuss over next to nothing.

Folk like you are just afraid of what's different. If it wasn't Muslims, you'd probably be wound up about What The Kids Are Wearing These Days, or the woman down the road who wears a skirt up to her backside.

Live and let live, eh?
rhinestine - this is not Oldham, this is not Yemen. This is Newport, a wonderful tolerant place to live, a few idiots not withstanding. And this is a ridiculous fuss over next to nothing. Folk like you are just afraid of what's different. If it wasn't Muslims, you'd probably be wound up about What The Kids Are Wearing These Days, or the woman down the road who wears a skirt up to her backside. Live and let live, eh? Dee-Gee
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3:06pm Thu 31 Jan 13

let em swing says...

Dee-Gee wrote:
rhinestine - this is not Oldham, this is not Yemen. This is Newport, a wonderful tolerant place to live, a few idiots not withstanding. And this is a ridiculous fuss over next to nothing.

Folk like you are just afraid of what's different. If it wasn't Muslims, you'd probably be wound up about What The Kids Are Wearing These Days, or the woman down the road who wears a skirt up to her backside.

Live and let live, eh?
Live and let live eh, try telling that to your muslim friends regarding homosexuality , lesbians or jews.
[quote][p][bold]Dee-Gee[/bold] wrote: rhinestine - this is not Oldham, this is not Yemen. This is Newport, a wonderful tolerant place to live, a few idiots not withstanding. And this is a ridiculous fuss over next to nothing. Folk like you are just afraid of what's different. If it wasn't Muslims, you'd probably be wound up about What The Kids Are Wearing These Days, or the woman down the road who wears a skirt up to her backside. Live and let live, eh?[/p][/quote]Live and let live eh, try telling that to your muslim friends regarding homosexuality , lesbians or jews. let em swing
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3:39pm Thu 31 Jan 13

welshmen says...

rhinestine, your preaching to the un- preachable, Guardian readers, BBC worshipers, PC worshipers, European Union lovers and Liberals, Germans used to say about Germany, i'ts a wonderful tolerant place to live in hormony , and from Austria came Adolf Hitler he wanted to rule the world the same as them...time to put this story to bed,
rhinestine, your preaching to the un- preachable, Guardian readers, BBC worshipers, PC worshipers, European Union lovers and Liberals, Germans used to say about Germany, i'ts a wonderful tolerant place to live in hormony , and from Austria came Adolf Hitler he wanted to rule the world the same as them...time to put this story to bed, welshmen
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3:39pm Thu 31 Jan 13

welshmen says...

rhinestine, your preaching to the un- preachable, Guardian readers, BBC worshipers, PC worshipers, European Union lovers and Liberals, Germans used to say about Germany, i'ts a wonderful tolerant place to live in hormony , and from Austria came Adolf Hitler he wanted to rule the world the same as them...time to put this story to bed,
rhinestine, your preaching to the un- preachable, Guardian readers, BBC worshipers, PC worshipers, European Union lovers and Liberals, Germans used to say about Germany, i'ts a wonderful tolerant place to live in hormony , and from Austria came Adolf Hitler he wanted to rule the world the same as them...time to put this story to bed, welshmen
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3:55pm Thu 31 Jan 13

Dee-Gee says...

letemswing, I actually DO have Muslim friends... some of them a lot more liberal than you. Were you aware that there are Muslim-run support groups for other LGBT Muslims? Not every Muslim is a literalist when it comes to their faith.

The Catholic church doesn't agree with homosexuality, or even contraception, but a fair number of Catholics use it anyway. You can't just look at the Koran, take it literally and then decide "Muslims are like this..." That's a child's view of the world.
letemswing, I actually DO have Muslim friends... some of them a lot more liberal than you. Were you aware that there are Muslim-run support groups for other LGBT Muslims? Not every Muslim is a literalist when it comes to their faith. The Catholic church doesn't agree with homosexuality, or even contraception, but a fair number of Catholics use it anyway. You can't just look at the Koran, take it literally and then decide "Muslims are like this..." That's a child's view of the world. Dee-Gee
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4:35pm Thu 31 Jan 13

let em swing says...

Im well aware not all muslims are intolerant terrorists, however nearly all terrorists are intolerant muslims.
Im well aware not all muslims are intolerant terrorists, however nearly all terrorists are intolerant muslims. let em swing
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4:36pm Thu 31 Jan 13

let em swing says...

And a fair proportion of what we would call average muslims are very slow to condemn islamist terrorism.
And a fair proportion of what we would call average muslims are very slow to condemn islamist terrorism. let em swing
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5:16pm Thu 31 Jan 13

welshmen says...

Dee-Gee wrote:
letemswing, I actually DO have Muslim friends... some of them a lot more liberal than you. Were you aware that there are Muslim-run support groups for other LGBT Muslims? Not every Muslim is a literalist when it comes to their faith.

The Catholic church doesn't agree with homosexuality, or even contraception, but a fair number of Catholics use it anyway. You can't just look at the Koran, take it literally and then decide "Muslims are like this..." That's a child's view of the world.
Unfortunately there about 70 Million who do take the Koran as their way of life and numbers are still growing....Catholics MIX with us and always have, it's not always US who wont mix, my sons used to invite there Asian friends around to birthday parties, only boys came, and mine were never invited to there kids birthday's, that's the way they were....
[quote][p][bold]Dee-Gee[/bold] wrote: letemswing, I actually DO have Muslim friends... some of them a lot more liberal than you. Were you aware that there are Muslim-run support groups for other LGBT Muslims? Not every Muslim is a literalist when it comes to their faith. The Catholic church doesn't agree with homosexuality, or even contraception, but a fair number of Catholics use it anyway. You can't just look at the Koran, take it literally and then decide "Muslims are like this..." That's a child's view of the world.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately there about 70 Million who do take the Koran as their way of life and numbers are still growing....Catholics MIX with us and always have, it's not always US who wont mix, my sons used to invite there Asian friends around to birthday parties, only boys came, and mine were never invited to there kids birthday's, that's the way they were.... welshmen
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7:00pm Thu 31 Jan 13

Mr Bump. says...

What's all this US rubbish? Don't lump me in the same category as you.
What's all this US rubbish? Don't lump me in the same category as you. Mr Bump.
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8:34pm Thu 31 Jan 13

welshmen says...

Who you aiming your 7:00 rant at bump
Who you aiming your 7:00 rant at bump welshmen
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11:09pm Thu 31 Jan 13

Mr Bump. says...

Seeing as there isn't a quote, let's have a guess. Ermmmmmm, must be the post before mine, rendering the use of a quote pointless, that used US in capital letters. Oh look it was posted by you. The only thing it seems you and i have in common is that i was unfortunate enough to have been born in the same country as you.
Seeing as there isn't a quote, let's have a guess. Ermmmmmm, must be the post before mine, rendering the use of a quote pointless, that used US in capital letters. Oh look it was posted by you. The only thing it seems you and i have in common is that i was unfortunate enough to have been born in the same country as you. Mr Bump.
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11:44pm Thu 31 Jan 13

Wildethoughts says...

What I would like to know is if these 'Muslims' keep themselves to themselves so much, and have such opposition to integrating, then how are we on the verge of this so called 'Islamic state'? Oh, and for those on here who have called for 'them' to go back to 'their own country', which country is that? Muslania? Where? Or would it be that most Muslims in Newport if they had to go back to where they came from, would have to go no further than the Gwent! Before you have an opinion, why not try getting an education that isn't based in what you read in the Daily Mail.
What I would like to know is if these 'Muslims' keep themselves to themselves so much, and have such opposition to integrating, then how are we on the verge of this so called 'Islamic state'? Oh, and for those on here who have called for 'them' to go back to 'their own country', which country is that? Muslania? Where? Or would it be that most Muslims in Newport if they had to go back to where they came from, would have to go no further than the Gwent! Before you have an opinion, why not try getting an education that isn't based in what you read in the Daily Mail. Wildethoughts
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6:09am Fri 1 Feb 13

gathin says...

So by the above rationale; it's impossible to be racist as the Muz aren't a race?
Well at least that's all cleared up now.
Islam really hasn't helped these poor unfortunates though has it? Is that a religionist statement as it is definitely not racism. Are you apologists just going to carry on flapping your gums till your homeland evaporates as another load of benefit-sucking immigrants arrive on the next plane in at Heathrow?
The answer to that is a definite "yes."
So by the above rationale; it's impossible to be racist as the Muz aren't a race? Well at least that's all cleared up now. Islam really hasn't helped these poor unfortunates though has it? Is that a religionist statement as it is definitely not racism. Are you apologists just going to carry on flapping your gums till your homeland evaporates as another load of benefit-sucking immigrants arrive on the next plane in at Heathrow? The answer to that is a definite "yes." gathin
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7:21am Fri 1 Feb 13

rhinestine says...

Dee-Gee wrote:
rhinestine - this is not Oldham, this is not Yemen. This is Newport, a wonderful tolerant place to live, a few idiots not withstanding. And this is a ridiculous fuss over next to nothing.

Folk like you are just afraid of what's different. If it wasn't Muslims, you'd probably be wound up about What The Kids Are Wearing These Days, or the woman down the road who wears a skirt up to her backside.

Live and let live, eh?
Tell that to the victims of 9/11 and the London Bomings.......... They wont "live and let live" .........
[quote][p][bold]Dee-Gee[/bold] wrote: rhinestine - this is not Oldham, this is not Yemen. This is Newport, a wonderful tolerant place to live, a few idiots not withstanding. And this is a ridiculous fuss over next to nothing. Folk like you are just afraid of what's different. If it wasn't Muslims, you'd probably be wound up about What The Kids Are Wearing These Days, or the woman down the road who wears a skirt up to her backside. Live and let live, eh?[/p][/quote]Tell that to the victims of 9/11 and the London Bomings.......... They wont "live and let live" ......... rhinestine
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8:26am Fri 1 Feb 13

gathin says...

Please??? 9/11 and the London bombings?? You're on the internet? DO SOME RESEARCH!
Please??? 9/11 and the London bombings?? You're on the internet? DO SOME RESEARCH! gathin
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8:53am Fri 1 Feb 13

welshmen says...

Mr Bump: Back to your insults again,if i comment and it includes the "US" i don't include you in that, i think of you as more of a Vichy Welsh....
Mr Bump: Back to your insults again,if i comment and it includes the "US" i don't include you in that, i think of you as more of a Vichy Welsh.... welshmen
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9:21am Fri 1 Feb 13

Howie' says...

rhinestine wrote:
Because they do not integrate, British people on the whole don't trust them, they hate the western ways according to their Koran. They do not come here to settle and be part of the community, they build their own community and hate anyone who is not a Muslim going anywhere near it.

If you walk into a Muslim area in Oldham you are likely to welcomed with a great deal of hostility because you are not a Muslim.

But, they don't mind getting free hand-outs and health care from our system when the vast majority are claiming benefits and do not care about the country, they only care about what they can get.

As stated, if I were to have a house in Yemen and plastered "there is only one god and one book, the bible" I would be lynched! Not asked by the local council to take it down.

But I would not do it, because I know that their laws and culture are dear to them, and would not want to cause offence.

It's about respect and not trying to take over and making out (in this case) that he is a victim of racism.
Nice rant Rhinestine, little in the way of facts and certainly none of my questions to you answered. I like the way you dropped in at the end that ' It's about respect and not trying to take over and making out (in this case) that he is a victim of racism'.
He's following our laws, what's disrespectful about that? I don't think he has rallied the 'Kensington Ninja' with the intention of taking over Maindee and where in the story does it say that he is claiming to be a victim of racism............al
though I could understand if he was, after reading some of the comments on here.

Here's a story for you Rhinestine, fresh from today's Guardian a story about future leaders of the Tory party:

Sajid Javid: The treasury minister is highly regarded on the right and would be the Tories' first Muslim leader and possible Prime Minister.

I'm sure that has put a smile on your face, Rhinestine.
[quote][p][bold]rhinestine[/bold] wrote: Because they do not integrate, British people on the whole don't trust them, they hate the western ways according to their Koran. They do not come here to settle and be part of the community, they build their own community and hate anyone who is not a Muslim going anywhere near it. If you walk into a Muslim area in Oldham you are likely to welcomed with a great deal of hostility because you are not a Muslim. But, they don't mind getting free hand-outs and health care from our system when the vast majority are claiming benefits and do not care about the country, they only care about what they can get. As stated, if I were to have a house in Yemen and plastered "there is only one god and one book, the bible" I would be lynched! Not asked by the local council to take it down. But I would not do it, because I know that their laws and culture are dear to them, and would not want to cause offence. It's about respect and not trying to take over and making out (in this case) that he is a victim of racism.[/p][/quote]Nice rant Rhinestine, little in the way of facts and certainly none of my questions to you answered. I like the way you dropped in at the end that ' It's about respect and not trying to take over and making out (in this case) that he is a victim of racism'. He's following our laws, what's disrespectful about that? I don't think he has rallied the 'Kensington Ninja' with the intention of taking over Maindee and where in the story does it say that he is claiming to be a victim of racism............al though I could understand if he was, after reading some of the comments on here. Here's a story for you Rhinestine, fresh from today's Guardian a story about future leaders of the Tory party: Sajid Javid: The treasury minister is highly regarded on the right and would be the Tories' first Muslim leader and possible Prime Minister. I'm sure that has put a smile on your face, Rhinestine. Howie'
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9:28am Fri 1 Feb 13

rhinestine says...

gathin wrote:
Please??? 9/11 and the London bombings?? You're on the internet? DO SOME RESEARCH!
Research what exactly? The fact that Muslims (not all Muslims it has to be said), do not like us, our ways, our culture, but come here and show no respect for our ways and try to take over with no remorse.

This sign is a statment, and becasue of opposition from the council, he can't accept it and want's to make a big thing of it.

Human rights and all this lark, it's a joke.

I wonder how many Muslims will be watching the game tomorrow? It was mentioned in a previous post, most were born in the Gwent.
[quote][p][bold]gathin[/bold] wrote: Please??? 9/11 and the London bombings?? You're on the internet? DO SOME RESEARCH![/p][/quote]Research what exactly? The fact that Muslims (not all Muslims it has to be said), do not like us, our ways, our culture, but come here and show no respect for our ways and try to take over with no remorse. This sign is a statment, and becasue of opposition from the council, he can't accept it and want's to make a big thing of it. Human rights and all this lark, it's a joke. I wonder how many Muslims will be watching the game tomorrow? It was mentioned in a previous post, most were born in the Gwent. rhinestine
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9:43am Fri 1 Feb 13

coalpicker says...

Mr Bump seems to think our regulations
are only for Christian Brits,others in our country can follow the ethos they brought with them when they were given
the privilege of living in the Uk. In the Muslim case, Honour killing, forced marriage,including infant females to old men.Female genital mutilation. Not forgetting the aberation of blowing themselves and others to bits. Pointing out these foibles will get Bump screaming Bigot ,perveyor of Islam aphobia,a glance around the world will indicate there is a hell of lot of both
,undoubtably, with justification
Mr Bump seems to think our regulations are only for Christian Brits,others in our country can follow the ethos they brought with them when they were given the privilege of living in the Uk. In the Muslim case, Honour killing, forced marriage,including infant females to old men.Female genital mutilation. Not forgetting the aberation of blowing themselves and others to bits. Pointing out these foibles will get Bump screaming Bigot ,perveyor of Islam aphobia,a glance around the world will indicate there is a hell of lot of both ,undoubtably, with justification coalpicker
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9:58am Fri 1 Feb 13

gathin says...

I'm not a fan of the mass immigration that is taking place and think it's going to end very badly for all of us indigenous locals but blaming the Muz for the very things that gave an excuse to take over their lands is lame. Go on youtube and type in "Loose change 9/11" for starters. There are so many anomalies and inconsistencies in the official story that I couldn't even start to list them. There is absolutely no way the Muz pulled off 9/11 or 7/7.
I'm not a fan of the mass immigration that is taking place and think it's going to end very badly for all of us indigenous locals but blaming the Muz for the very things that gave an excuse to take over their lands is lame. Go on youtube and type in "Loose change 9/11" for starters. There are so many anomalies and inconsistencies in the official story that I couldn't even start to list them. There is absolutely no way the Muz pulled off 9/11 or 7/7. gathin
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10:34am Fri 1 Feb 13

rhinestine says...

gathin wrote:
I'm not a fan of the mass immigration that is taking place and think it's going to end very badly for all of us indigenous locals but blaming the Muz for the very things that gave an excuse to take over their lands is lame. Go on youtube and type in "Loose change 9/11" for starters. There are so many anomalies and inconsistencies in the official story that I couldn't even start to list them. There is absolutely no way the Muz pulled off 9/11 or 7/7.
Rubbish!
[quote][p][bold]gathin[/bold] wrote: I'm not a fan of the mass immigration that is taking place and think it's going to end very badly for all of us indigenous locals but blaming the Muz for the very things that gave an excuse to take over their lands is lame. Go on youtube and type in "Loose change 9/11" for starters. There are so many anomalies and inconsistencies in the official story that I couldn't even start to list them. There is absolutely no way the Muz pulled off 9/11 or 7/7.[/p][/quote]Rubbish! rhinestine
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11:36am Fri 1 Feb 13

gathin says...

Is that you looking out from your box or have you actually researched anything?
Live in denial if you like but have a look at the other side of the arguement first otherwise you're being willfully ignorant.
Sort of like these religious types....
Is that you looking out from your box or have you actually researched anything? Live in denial if you like but have a look at the other side of the arguement first otherwise you're being willfully ignorant. Sort of like these religious types.... gathin
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12:48pm Fri 1 Feb 13

coalpicker says...

Seems there are quite a few on these
posts using Columbian sugar in their Tea .Denial is the order of the day,reminiscent of the thirties when Nazi lover the Duke of Windsor,
Lloyd George and many others declared how Churchill was a war
monger, clearly he could see what they were to stupid to understand,in the aftermath Churchill wanted a united Europe. I have no doubt he is spinning in his grave at the current
British situation,with the incursion of a creed which western Europe has fought for a thousand years .People
of Mr Bump's persasion could be designated Quisling without fear of contradiction..
Seems there are quite a few on these posts using Columbian sugar in their Tea .Denial is the order of the day,reminiscent of the thirties when Nazi lover the Duke of Windsor, Lloyd George and many others declared how Churchill was a war monger, clearly he could see what they were to stupid to understand,in the aftermath Churchill wanted a united Europe. I have no doubt he is spinning in his grave at the current British situation,with the incursion of a creed which western Europe has fought for a thousand years .People of Mr Bump's persasion could be designated Quisling without fear of contradiction.. coalpicker
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12:50pm Fri 1 Feb 13

username2 says...

Some of these comments are almost too depressing to read. How some people view the Islamic world as a homogenous, bubbling mass of terrorists is beyond me. Use your brains.
Some of these comments are almost too depressing to read. How some people view the Islamic world as a homogenous, bubbling mass of terrorists is beyond me. Use your brains. username2
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1:08pm Fri 1 Feb 13

coalpicker says...

Username2 is right, but he should have gone further,using his eyes and ears
also, because your brain on its own can be washed and chanelled. We have some very prominent Judas goats who are doing just that, contary to all the evidence
Username2 is right, but he should have gone further,using his eyes and ears also, because your brain on its own can be washed and chanelled. We have some very prominent Judas goats who are doing just that, contary to all the evidence coalpicker
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1:53pm Fri 1 Feb 13

rhinestine says...

I actually admire the Muslim fraternity in one respect; They stick together and all turn up to throw a barney if they can't have their own way or someone offends their belief.

Us (Brits) on the other hand just roll over and don't oppose anything! I wonder what the reaction of a Muslim country would be if millions of Brits went to there? Opened churches and marched through the their town once a year, and claimed benefits, got free medical care, stopped their kids singing traditional songs as it would cause us offence.......

Hmmmmm, I wonder........well I don't, because I know it would never happen and they would not let it happen! However, I bet if you went there and just blended in, not try and change their country and be self-sufficient, they would not mind you being there.

See my point? It's not about them being a Muslim, it's about fitting in and showing some respect.

And this man with his sign is not showing respect.
I actually admire the Muslim fraternity in one respect; They stick together and all turn up to throw a barney if they can't have their own way or someone offends their belief. Us (Brits) on the other hand just roll over and don't oppose anything! I wonder what the reaction of a Muslim country would be if millions of Brits went to there? Opened churches and marched through the their town once a year, and claimed benefits, got free medical care, stopped their kids singing traditional songs as it would cause us offence....... Hmmmmm, I wonder........well I don't, because I know it would never happen and they would not let it happen! However, I bet if you went there and just blended in, not try and change their country and be self-sufficient, they would not mind you being there. See my point? It's not about them being a Muslim, it's about fitting in and showing some respect. And this man with his sign is not showing respect. rhinestine
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8:06pm Fri 1 Feb 13

Mwy Eira says...

My problem with is it's size and the fact that they should have got planning permission. I couldn't care a less what language it was in or what religion the owner is. If it was in Hebrew I would also be asking why it had to be so big. It is by no means a small sign. Ignorance of planning laws is no excuse. It plainly looks like an advertisement as it makes it look like an official building and no, I can't read arabic. But then I can't read polish either but the polish signs are on polish shops not private dwellings. It is irrelevant what it says. It could say 'I love Elvis' and my view would still be the same.
My problem with is it's size and the fact that they should have got planning permission. I couldn't care a less what language it was in or what religion the owner is. If it was in Hebrew I would also be asking why it had to be so big. It is by no means a small sign. Ignorance of planning laws is no excuse. It plainly looks like an advertisement as it makes it look like an official building and no, I can't read arabic. But then I can't read polish either but the polish signs are on polish shops not private dwellings. It is irrelevant what it says. It could say 'I love Elvis' and my view would still be the same. Mwy Eira
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11:55pm Sat 2 Feb 13

displayed says...

"Mr Ali said the sign is not an advertisement and is simply there to bless the house"
The man's a fool if he thinks he can justify to the public he's not "making a statement" about his faith, by sticking up an electronic billboard, cos he wants it illuminated as well!

Was he born here or over there!
Why doesn't go over to his home country and see if the authorities are as gullible as they appear to be here!

“There is no god but Allah and Mohammed is his messenger.”
Wanna bet on it!

If he wants to serve "his god", that's up to him, just don't "shout it from his residential mosque", cos that's what he' s aiming for next!

Send him to the mountain, cos the mountain sure aint gonna come to him!
"Mr Ali said the sign is not an advertisement and is simply there to bless the house" The man's a fool if he thinks he can justify to the public he's not "making a statement" about his faith, by sticking up an electronic billboard, cos he wants it illuminated as well! Was he born here or over there! Why doesn't go over to his home country and see if the authorities are as gullible as they appear to be here! “There is no god but Allah and Mohammed is his messenger.” Wanna bet on it! If he wants to serve "his god", that's up to him, just don't "shout it from his residential mosque", cos that's what he' s aiming for next! Send him to the mountain, cos the mountain sure aint gonna come to him! displayed
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12:38am Sun 3 Feb 13

displayed says...

December 2012:
7.4
It should be noted that this is a domestic property in a predominantly residential area.

The building is not a mosque where signage of this type might be expected.

Yet!

5.1
The advertisement is already in place but has not been illuminated as yet.

He didn't apply for planning permission to put it up, only after!

Now he's trying to justify the sign!

He can't!

5.3
The text reads:
• With the will/grace of God (used in appreciation/thankfu
lness)
• May God grant him peace (used to refer to the Prophet Mohammed)
• There is no God but Allah and Mohammed is his messenger (Declaration of
Islamic faith - word Allah literally means God in Arabic - so this refers to there
only being one God...)

My God (used as an endearment/expressio
n)
The Council does not consider that this text amounts to a memorial.

They already got a mosque in Maindee, they don't need another one!

This used to be the UK, now its the uk:
useless kingdom!
December 2012: 7.4 It should be noted that this is a domestic property in a predominantly residential area. The building is not a mosque where signage of this type might be expected. Yet! 5.1 The advertisement is already in place but has not been illuminated as yet. He didn't apply for planning permission to put it up, only after! Now he's trying to justify the sign! He can't! 5.3 The text reads: • With the will/grace of God (used in appreciation/thankfu lness) • May God grant him peace (used to refer to the Prophet Mohammed) • There is no God but Allah and Mohammed is his messenger (Declaration of Islamic faith - word Allah literally means God in Arabic - so this refers to there only being one God...) My God (used as an endearment/expressio n) The Council does not consider that this text amounts to a memorial. They already got a mosque in Maindee, they don't need another one! This used to be the UK, now its the uk: useless kingdom! displayed
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8:15am Sun 3 Feb 13

gathin says...

Anybody want to bet that the council cave in?
Can't be discriminatory against minorities or some other gay excuse.
Anybody want to bet that the council cave in? Can't be discriminatory against minorities or some other gay excuse. gathin
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8:55am Sun 3 Feb 13

coalpicker says...

Well Gathin if they do fail to impose planning law ,the result for Newport will be horrendous . With another flush expected from Bulgaria and Romania
our countryside could in a very short time resemble Soweto.Failure to control
planning integrity will ensure we enjoy the living conditions now being experienced in most of Asia ,including disease we have eradicated. I dare not
name the Asian donor Countries or Ali Bump will have a racial seizure .
Well Gathin if they do fail to impose planning law ,the result for Newport will be horrendous . With another flush expected from Bulgaria and Romania our countryside could in a very short time resemble Soweto.Failure to control planning integrity will ensure we enjoy the living conditions now being experienced in most of Asia ,including disease we have eradicated. I dare not name the Asian donor Countries or Ali Bump will have a racial seizure . coalpicker
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10:43am Sun 3 Feb 13

Howie' says...

Thank you guys for the last four comments, sure put a smile on my face this morning after yesterdays display by Wales.........and I bet your not paranoid,lol.

'Failure to control
planning integrity will ensure we enjoy the living conditions now being experienced in most of Asia'. HaHa.

Think you will find it's the Tory's who are trying to do that!
Thank you guys for the last four comments, sure put a smile on my face this morning after yesterdays display by Wales.........and I bet your not paranoid,lol. 'Failure to control planning integrity will ensure we enjoy the living conditions now being experienced in most of Asia'. HaHa. Think you will find it's the Tory's who are trying to do that! Howie'
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12:40pm Sun 3 Feb 13

Mr Bump. says...

coalpicker wrote:
Well Gathin if they do fail to impose planning law ,the result for Newport will be horrendous . With another flush expected from Bulgaria and Romania
our countryside could in a very short time resemble Soweto.Failure to control
planning integrity will ensure we enjoy the living conditions now being experienced in most of Asia ,including disease we have eradicated. I dare not
name the Asian donor Countries or Ali Bump will have a racial seizure .
I don't know why you are bothered by Romanians, the vast majority are Christian. I would have thought you'd have welcomed a Christian influx to prevent your perceived Islamic takeover. We're not doomed the Romanians will save us.
[quote][p][bold]coalpicker[/bold] wrote: Well Gathin if they do fail to impose planning law ,the result for Newport will be horrendous . With another flush expected from Bulgaria and Romania our countryside could in a very short time resemble Soweto.Failure to control planning integrity will ensure we enjoy the living conditions now being experienced in most of Asia ,including disease we have eradicated. I dare not name the Asian donor Countries or Ali Bump will have a racial seizure .[/p][/quote]I don't know why you are bothered by Romanians, the vast majority are Christian. I would have thought you'd have welcomed a Christian influx to prevent your perceived Islamic takeover. We're not doomed the Romanians will save us. Mr Bump.
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12:48pm Sun 3 Feb 13

gathin says...

The Muz are the tip of the iceberg.
Immigration from anybody moving to the UK without a guaranteed job and/or £150,000 in the bank should be stopped.
These are the realities of living in Australia- they don't take scroungers and you must be able to pay your way.
The Rumanians are very fed up with the gyppos and want rid of them. guaranteed we'll be getting a lot of them.
Religion is a small part in the mass problem but 100% non-integration from muzzies really hasn't helped endear them in any country in Europe where the head-sheds are stating that the mass immigration of 2nd/3rd worlders has helped nothing.
Ask Frau Merkel and any other politician brave enough to tell the truth.
The Muz are the tip of the iceberg. Immigration from anybody moving to the UK without a guaranteed job and/or £150,000 in the bank should be stopped. These are the realities of living in Australia- they don't take scroungers and you must be able to pay your way. The Rumanians are very fed up with the gyppos and want rid of them. guaranteed we'll be getting a lot of them. Religion is a small part in the mass problem but 100% non-integration from muzzies really hasn't helped endear them in any country in Europe where the head-sheds are stating that the mass immigration of 2nd/3rd worlders has helped nothing. Ask Frau Merkel and any other politician brave enough to tell the truth. gathin
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5:48pm Sun 3 Feb 13

davetheraver says...

i agree job and money or no entry
the romanian gypsies are in my street now about a year ago never worked in time there about 10 live in 2 bed house
so must be getting benefits now and rent paid on house and two babies born into families in house.
you have to blame goverment they seem to roll over to easy on everything
abu qatada still here not deported yet you just put him on a plane but not here living in his house 1400 a month paid for by the taxpayer went to court on weekend to stop people protesting to say no human rights for terrorists
won case his lawyers fees paid by guess who us
i agree job and money or no entry the romanian gypsies are in my street now about a year ago never worked in time there about 10 live in 2 bed house so must be getting benefits now and rent paid on house and two babies born into families in house. you have to blame goverment they seem to roll over to easy on everything abu qatada still here not deported yet you just put him on a plane but not here living in his house 1400 a month paid for by the taxpayer went to court on weekend to stop people protesting to say no human rights for terrorists won case his lawyers fees paid by guess who us davetheraver
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6:08pm Sun 3 Feb 13

Wildethoughts says...

gathin wrote:
The Muz are the tip of the iceberg.
Immigration from anybody moving to the UK without a guaranteed job and/or £150,000 in the bank should be stopped.
These are the realities of living in Australia- they don't take scroungers and you must be able to pay your way.
The Rumanians are very fed up with the gyppos and want rid of them. guaranteed we'll be getting a lot of them.
Religion is a small part in the mass problem but 100% non-integration from muzzies really hasn't helped endear them in any country in Europe where the head-sheds are stating that the mass immigration of 2nd/3rd worlders has helped nothing.
Ask Frau Merkel and any other politician brave enough to tell the truth.
Thats the thing about people who are racist, they tend to be distinctly lacking in education. "Muz", "Rumanians" (where do they come from then, Rumania I suppose?) and the use of the word "gyppos". Why don't you at least learn to spell. Not that there is a correct spelling for the phrase "gyppo", the actual word is Gypsy, with a capital G. A group of people protected under the Race Relations Act (now the Equality Act 2012). I am very shocked that they South Wales Argus is even publishing such comments. And before you say it, no, there is no such thing as freedom of speech. It is a qualified right. If you don't know what that is, which I doubt you do gathin, then try reading. Go on, do everyone a favour and educated yourself. Not by reading the daily mail.
[quote][p][bold]gathin[/bold] wrote: The Muz are the tip of the iceberg. Immigration from anybody moving to the UK without a guaranteed job and/or £150,000 in the bank should be stopped. These are the realities of living in Australia- they don't take scroungers and you must be able to pay your way. The Rumanians are very fed up with the gyppos and want rid of them. guaranteed we'll be getting a lot of them. Religion is a small part in the mass problem but 100% non-integration from muzzies really hasn't helped endear them in any country in Europe where the head-sheds are stating that the mass immigration of 2nd/3rd worlders has helped nothing. Ask Frau Merkel and any other politician brave enough to tell the truth.[/p][/quote]Thats the thing about people who are racist, they tend to be distinctly lacking in education. "Muz", "Rumanians" (where do they come from then, Rumania I suppose?) and the use of the word "gyppos". Why don't you at least learn to spell. Not that there is a correct spelling for the phrase "gyppo", the actual word is Gypsy, with a capital G. A group of people protected under the Race Relations Act (now the Equality Act 2012). I am very shocked that they South Wales Argus is even publishing such comments. And before you say it, no, there is no such thing as freedom of speech. It is a qualified right. If you don't know what that is, which I doubt you do gathin, then try reading. Go on, do everyone a favour and educated yourself. Not by reading the daily mail. Wildethoughts
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6:09pm Sun 3 Feb 13

Wildethoughts says...

Equality Act 2010 to be precise. I know all you racists reading this will jump on that....oh no, you are totally unaware of the equality act!
Equality Act 2010 to be precise. I know all you racists reading this will jump on that....oh no, you are totally unaware of the equality act! Wildethoughts
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7:25pm Sun 3 Feb 13

coalpicker says...

Mr BUMP sorry to be late in reply,Do you not understand it is not just the ethos in their haversacks, its the numbers that are destroying every aspect of our infrastructure, infrastructure that we have put together so painfully ?Destruction of a society that has been a thousand years in the making is what we are watching,this planning matter is just one aspect.
Mr BUMP sorry to be late in reply,Do you not understand it is not just the ethos in their haversacks, its the numbers that are destroying every aspect of our infrastructure, infrastructure that we have put together so painfully ?Destruction of a society that has been a thousand years in the making is what we are watching,this planning matter is just one aspect. coalpicker
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10:02am Mon 4 Feb 13

coalpicker says...

The Equality act, now there is a piece
of social engineering that rivals the corn laws in its construction and sheer stupidity.It resembles a man buying a house suffering from severe subsidence,filling the cracks with pollyfilla expecting to stop the walls falling down. The equality act is an ill concieved tool, bending the marjority
to the needs of the minority. Watching the big question on sunday I listened to a Black man screaming for more Black policemen,keeping in mind that there is already a black police association and that has spawned a few officers we could well do without, artificialy inflating their numbers in relation to population
percentage would be disasterous,soon, using the equality act, only Pakistani officers will police pakistani's ,Negro officers Negro's ect ,ect, the whole concept of the equalty act is lunatic
and will come back to bite us .
The Equality act, now there is a piece of social engineering that rivals the corn laws in its construction and sheer stupidity.It resembles a man buying a house suffering from severe subsidence,filling the cracks with pollyfilla expecting to stop the walls falling down. The equality act is an ill concieved tool, bending the marjority to the needs of the minority. Watching the big question on sunday I listened to a Black man screaming for more Black policemen,keeping in mind that there is already a black police association and that has spawned a few officers we could well do without, artificialy inflating their numbers in relation to population percentage would be disasterous,soon, using the equality act, only Pakistani officers will police pakistani's ,Negro officers Negro's ect ,ect, the whole concept of the equalty act is lunatic and will come back to bite us . coalpicker
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4:45pm Mon 4 Feb 13

Wildethoughts says...

coalpicker wrote:
The Equality act, now there is a piece
of social engineering that rivals the corn laws in its construction and sheer stupidity.It resembles a man buying a house suffering from severe subsidence,filling the cracks with pollyfilla expecting to stop the walls falling down. The equality act is an ill concieved tool, bending the marjority
to the needs of the minority. Watching the big question on sunday I listened to a Black man screaming for more Black policemen,keeping in mind that there is already a black police association and that has spawned a few officers we could well do without, artificialy inflating their numbers in relation to population
percentage would be disasterous,soon, using the equality act, only Pakistani officers will police pakistani's ,Negro officers Negro's ect ,ect, the whole concept of the equalty act is lunatic
and will come back to bite us .
Ah, so you are an expert on the Equality Act are you. Then why dont you impress us all with your knowledge of it? Explain what the public duties are? No, dont give your opinion, knowledge please. For example, do you understand how the Act protects the rights of disabled people? Or the elderly? Or those who are carers?
And as for your views ofThe Big Question (which I too watched), there were a number of guests who were black, all have different views of positive action v positive discrimination (you probably don't understand what these mean). There is a need for more officers from BME groups in order to adequately police diverse communities. The Equality Act does not allow for positive discrimination in this sense (again, due to the fact that you have no knowledge of the act you do not understand this), however, it does allow for positive action. And as for "only Pakistani officers will police Pakistanis, Negro (I think you mean Black) officers Negros (you then say ect ect, I think you mean ETC)" what utter rubbish. More officers from BME groups simply means that the Police more adequately reflect communities which are ethnically diverse. Quite possibly the most stupid post on this entire page! And that is some achievement as there are some very impressively ignorant and stupid comments on here. Well done!
[quote][p][bold]coalpicker[/bold] wrote: The Equality act, now there is a piece of social engineering that rivals the corn laws in its construction and sheer stupidity.It resembles a man buying a house suffering from severe subsidence,filling the cracks with pollyfilla expecting to stop the walls falling down. The equality act is an ill concieved tool, bending the marjority to the needs of the minority. Watching the big question on sunday I listened to a Black man screaming for more Black policemen,keeping in mind that there is already a black police association and that has spawned a few officers we could well do without, artificialy inflating their numbers in relation to population percentage would be disasterous,soon, using the equality act, only Pakistani officers will police pakistani's ,Negro officers Negro's ect ,ect, the whole concept of the equalty act is lunatic and will come back to bite us .[/p][/quote]Ah, so you are an expert on the Equality Act are you. Then why dont you impress us all with your knowledge of it? Explain what the public duties are? No, dont give your opinion, knowledge please. For example, do you understand how the Act protects the rights of disabled people? Or the elderly? Or those who are carers? And as for your views ofThe Big Question (which I too watched), there were a number of guests who were black, all have different views of positive action v positive discrimination (you probably don't understand what these mean). There is a need for more officers from BME groups in order to adequately police diverse communities. The Equality Act does not allow for positive discrimination in this sense (again, due to the fact that you have no knowledge of the act you do not understand this), however, it does allow for positive action. And as for "only Pakistani officers will police Pakistanis, Negro (I think you mean Black) officers Negros (you then say ect ect, I think you mean ETC)" what utter rubbish. More officers from BME groups simply means that the Police more adequately reflect communities which are ethnically diverse. Quite possibly the most stupid post on this entire page! And that is some achievement as there are some very impressively ignorant and stupid comments on here. Well done! Wildethoughts
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2:59pm Mon 18 Feb 13

KHALID786 says...

The council has allowed the appeal. Thank you everyone for your positive comments and support.
The council has allowed the appeal. Thank you everyone for your positive comments and support. KHALID786
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10:32pm Tue 19 Feb 13

coalpicker says...

As an expert on the Equality act Wildthoughts are you talking about the excelent previous legislation for the disabled, or the current abortion, clearly
you are either Black or confused.Thanks for the abuse,now I know I have pressed the right buttons.
Incidently ,with this appeal the city
council have made a real pigs ear of planning in Newport .End of chat xxx.
As an expert on the Equality act Wildthoughts are you talking about the excelent previous legislation for the disabled, or the current abortion, clearly you are either Black or confused.Thanks for the abuse,now I know I have pressed the right buttons. Incidently ,with this appeal the city council have made a real pigs ear of planning in Newport .End of chat xxx. coalpicker
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