UPDATE: Could Newport pull out of South Wales waste scheme?

A MEMBER of the ruling Labour group at Newport council says there are serious questions over plans to tie in the authority into a 25-year contract to burn rubbish.

Newport council is due next Tuesday to approve a business case for Prosiect Gwyrdd, which will see non-recyclable rubbish burned in a Cardiff incineration plant.

But one councillor in the ruling group, who did not want to be named, says the multi-million pound scheme has huge implications for Newport which will be tied into a contract for a quarter of a century.

Newport would not be alone in the deal, with Prosiect Gwyrdd being formed as a collaboration between the city, Caerphilly council, Monmouthshire, Cardiff and the Vale of Glamorgan.

The Argus understands that the Labour group is yet to discuss the matter.

The councillor has not indicated where their vote will lie.

If the council was to pull out of the scheme, set to launch in 2016, it would cost it at least £3 million in penalties.

"The length of the contract is an issue," said the councillor. "We are being asked to look at a contract that is going to affect not just our children but our children's children.

"It's a long time to be committing to one means of waste disposal."

The councillor claimed that the amount of waste that would be feeding the incinerator has been in decline, with reductions thanks to the efforts made to recycle in Wales.

He also raised fears that any harmful effects from pollutants would have an effect on people in Newport - despite official advice from Health Protection Agency that there is no significant impact.

The proposed incinerator, being built by waste firm Viridor, is located in Spytty, in Cardiff.

A report to council says the scheme will cost the authority £68 million over the life of the scheme - estimating it will be £60 million cheaper than continuing to put rubbish in landfill.

Councils have been motivated by Welsh Government to seek new solutions for waste in the face of potential European fines for missing landfill targets.

Councillors will have to approve the full business case for Prosiect Gwyrdd, and Viridor as a perferred bidder for the scheme, at the full council meeting on Tuesday.

A planned incinerator for Llanwern did not win approval by officers working on the project.

The business case, which will need to be approved by each partner authority, also needs approval from the Welsh Government which is covering part of the cost.

Newport have right to pull out of waste group A GREEN campaigner says that Newport councillors have every right to pull out of Prosiect Gwyrdd.

Pippa Bartolloti of the Stop Newport Incinerator Campaign claimed her group was advised by a barrister that the £3 million penalty need not be paid if circumstances change - such as if a new technology is found.

"Newport can have every right to say hang on a minute, everything has changed, and look at other ways to dispose of our waste. If they have got the guts they will do it," she said.

However opposition councillor David Fouweather claimed the council can't pull out and warned that the council could have to fill a financial black hole if it did.

He highlighted that savings from the scheme were included in the base budget.

A spokesman for Prosiect Gwyrdd said: "Given the financial benefit of the Prosiect Gwyrdd scheme, the Project doesn’t believe there is any merit for Newport Council to leave the procurement. The cost of up to £3 m for leaving the procurement is legally binding and set out in the Joint Working Agreement between the 5 partner authorities.

The only reason where a withdrawal wouldn't incur a charge is if the price received from the tendering process was higher than the affordability agreed in the Outline Business Case. The price received is approximately half of the cost of the projected affordability, ensuring excellent value for money.

"25 year contracts are industry standard regardless of the technology proposed. Modern incineration operates under the most stringent conditions and their contribution to air pollution is very small, yet the benefits in diverting waste from landfill sites and producing green energy are significant."

Comments(11)

Radio Wales says...
1:56pm Sat 23 Feb 13

"A councillor who didn't want to be named"????
Did I read that right?

Who exactly do they think they are these days?

Please tell me they aren't about to re-name themselves STASI and declare council business as state secrets?

Do they represent themselves now?

My mind is boggled!

Cantankerous says...
5:47pm Sat 23 Feb 13

Disgraceful and I pay this Cllr!

simoneyd says...
11:12pm Sat 23 Feb 13

"He also raised fears that any harmful effects from pollutants would have an effect on people in Newport - despite official advice from Health Protection Agency that there is no significant impact."

Any one can make spurious claims in the face of expert advise when hidden by the veil of anonymity.

The sooner they decide to cut costs by reducing the number of councillors the better.

Any wards with three or more councillors should be cut to two.

Bobevans says...
8:11am Sun 24 Feb 13

So this Councillor is unprepared to give his name. That says a lot about him

These facilties are expensive and have a long live so a 25 year contract is not unreasonable.

The scheme is over £60M cheaper than utting the waste into Landfill. It also produces less emissions than Landfill and thats without the smell you can get from Landfill

The plant produces electricity from the waste which is another plus

Woodgnome says...
9:37am Sun 24 Feb 13

Is it policy for this Labour lot to pull out of agreements - the last one was the laptop fiasco?

paddyparry says...
10:21am Sun 24 Feb 13

What hasn't been said is that the council will have to pay compensation if it does not supply sufficient waste under the terms of the contract. Therefore more recycling to meet WAG targets = less waste to burn = compensation to Viridor. Not meeting recycling targets = fines from the WAG. Do you see a theme here?

By the way the facility is being built in Splott and has already broken planning rules.

Magor says...
10:21am Sun 24 Feb 13

Newport is in such a mess just dump the rubbish in the streets no one will notice.

Magicmarvo says...
1:24pm Sun 24 Feb 13

How about producing less waste as an answer. A society can only produce so much waste before bad things happen

BishtonVoice says...
2:42pm Sun 24 Feb 13

Councillors are legally obliged to consider the value for money of a £68M project. I know from bitter experience that Prosiect Gwyrdd is ready to badger ANY councillor or community representative who puts our health, environment and finances before the needs of the large corporate incinerator companies who seek to milk us dry (and poison the air we breathe). So I don’t blame any Councillor who chooses to speak anonymously to the Argus to make sure the issue is raised - to the contrary we should be relieved.

One point for David Deans - PG constantly claim savings by comparing incinerators with continued landfill, because the latter will be subject to penal rates of "Landfill Tax". But the true, modern alternative to an Incinerator is a Mechanical and Biological Treatment (MBT) and gasification plant - a much cleaner and greener option. Such a plant would cost less - and quite possibly as much as 50% less - than an incinerator, even after taking account of the £3m penalty clause which Councillor Fouweather’s coalition signed when he was in power on the Council !

Furthermore MBT plants can be up and running in 18 months- ie at least a year BEFORE the mass-burn incinerator, saving us landfill tax and gaining added construction and recycling jobs for Newport.

Oh and by the way MBT plants gasify their waste after extracting and reusing as much as possible - and the gas is then used to produce heat and electricity just like an incinerator - but much less dangerously for our heath , farms and wildlife. You can see all this in operation at the Avonmouth MBT which treats Bristol and Bath municipal waste.

Go for it Newport (and Monmouthsire) – don’t let Cardiff dictate terms to us !

Independentvoter says...
4:03pm Sun 24 Feb 13

How much is the CEO and staff being paid at Newport Wastesavers ?

As many thousands of disabled people and pensioners in Wales are forced to sort, wash and grade their waste weekly for this charity.... just one question ...

How many tonnes of these alluminium cans, Cardboard etc does it take to recycle to pay the bosses wages ?

Ian MacKinlay says...
5:20am Tue 26 Feb 13

Comment from "Independentvoter 4:03pm Sun 24 Feb 13.

"How many tonnes of these alluminium cans, Cardboard etc does it take to recycle to pay the bosses wages ?" (sic).

That's a very interesting question.

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