'More AMs needed' says Newport's Assembly presiding officer (From South Wales Argus)

What a cracking idea. 20 more blood-sucking people on £53K p.a. plus allowances. That'll sort all of Wales' problems at a stroke. Are these people for real? How many more non-productive wastes of space can we really need?

We don't need more......just better quality!,,

Are these the same people who ask us, sorry tell us to tighten our belts because there is just not enough money to go around? Strange then that they will be able find the extra funds to pay for " 20 more blood-sucking people on £53k p.a. plus allowances"

They should be taking a pay cut like I had to not take more money out. When will these people learn? They are so far out of touch with their constituents it's embaressing.

It will be probably forced upon like the police commisioners nobody wanted.

Change the name...no problem, more powers...no problem. More members and more cost...big problem!

More AMs NO,utilise our Mps for scrutiny we already pay them. New name yes AoF, Assembly of Failure.

Epic fail.. So they cut meals on wheel, care homes, leisure, the Arts, stop funding for various groups and put our Council Tax..

Lets get 20 more out of touch Vampires who are a law onto themselves... What cuts will be made to pay for these 20 extra councilors? Well Cardiff will do well out of it but nobody else will

She would say that wouldn't she!

Wales is a small country and has a population of just over 3 million people.What is the cost to us of the WAG per annum?.Anyone know?.More AM's?..............

An absolute disgrace.

Asking for a third more AM's in this financial climate ?

How about the number of AM's be dovetailed with average the Welsh income?


That goes up a third.. And so does the number of AM's.

I think Rosemary Butler would be better employed trying to save Money and the services, which have are being cut in Newport to the detriment of local people, instead of pursuing such a ridiculous policy of wanting spending more money on A.M'S that we dont want and can't afford,.Rosemary is lucky to be a passenger on the Gravy Train we don't need anymore.Rosemary wake up and get in the real world.I would advocate a reduction of A.M'S and money saved used tp prevent job losses and service cuts.But there appears to be a ring fencing of certain people who are both protected from wage restraint or job cuts.Perhaps someone can tell me what senior posts have been cut in the ruthless cost sacving exercises we have seen by Newport Council to date

Get rid of 20 not increase it and I think the same in the current climate. And looking at how well some did we should get shot of more. Take a look.

The best and worst-performing AMs revealed by our league table


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Anne teak wrote:
An absolute disgrace.

Asking for a third more AM's in this financial climate ?

How about the number of AM's be dovetailed with average the Welsh income?


That goes up a third.. And so does the number of AM's.

It is a disgraceful no other word for it.

At the time of the referendum in 2011 the question was asked whether further powers devolved to the Assembly would result in more AM's being needed. The answer was no.
Liars!

for AM's pay, pension, etc:

http://www.assemblyw
ales.org/memhome/pay
-expenses-financial-
interests-standards/
mem-allow-pay-pensio
ns/mem-pay.htm

Oh just go away you delusional, incompetent fool.

This woman is seriously deranged.
As I wrote in another newspaper 51 councillors to run New York city population 8.25 million. WAG 60 am's population of Wales 2.75 million it could also apply to Newport council 50 councillors population 140,000.

And in their 14 years they've achieved squat. 3rd world healthcare, poor education, financial ruin and unemployment (except for them). When they held the referendum they really did rely on the gullible vote didn't they. And there were just enough lemmings to swing it.

The Welsh Govt is never, ever, going away no matter how much the professional malcontents on here moan. As it is here to stay we all need it to do a proper job. This is just as important for the Tories as it is for Labour or one of the also rans.

Running a full legislating body, and the services that flow from that, and have proper and through opposition scrutiny, cannot be done with 60 members in a multi party environment. There needs to be at more AM's and, frankly, the quality issue (that all parties currently suffer from) is partly because they are paid so little, not too much. Who would stop being a Dr, Solicitor, Headteacher, for £53k!

What we do need to do is to trim 22 councils (at least 5 of which have over 60 members) down to around a third of that number. Not only would there be massive savings, they would then be large enough to do a proper job.

On the inside wrote:
The Welsh Govt is never, ever, going away no matter how much the professional malcontents on here moan. As it is here to stay we all need it to do a proper job. This is just as important for the Tories as it is for Labour or one of the also rans.

Running a full legislating body, and the services that flow from that, and have proper and through opposition scrutiny, cannot be done with 60 members in a multi party environment. There needs to be at more AM's and, frankly, the quality issue (that all parties currently suffer from) is partly because they are paid so little, not too much. Who would stop being a Dr, Solicitor, Headteacher, for £53k!

What we do need to do is to trim 22 councils (at least 5 of which have over 60 members) down to around a third of that number. Not only would there be massive savings, they would then be large enough to do a proper job.

'Can't be done with 60 members'? So how did Westminster manage before any assemblies with 630? Around one per 100,000 when they were responsible for treasury, health, foreign policy, education, agriculture, defence etc etc. although granted there were around 100 regular attending members of the House of Lords? Most of that is still held by London and yet we need one AM per 34,000 Welsh people to do the rest? Don't make me laugh.

Who would stop being a Dr, Solicitor, Headteacher, for £53k!
John Griffiths did, didn't he, as far as I can recall?
But in general you're right. Blair lumbered us with this garbage. The bad always eats the good.
I don't think the correspondents are "professional malcontents". They're just fed-up. I hope you don't find fault with them for that because most of your neighbours will be fed up with the Welsh Grand Council rubbish as well, and you'll be lonely when you get parole.

rightsideup wrote:
Wales is a small country and has a population of just over 3 million people.What is the cost to us of the WAG per annum?.Anyone know?.More AM's?..............

yes its nearly half a billion per annum to run and statistically speaking wales is alot worse off since the WAG was formed

On the inside wrote:
The Welsh Govt is never, ever, going away no matter how much the professional malcontents on here moan. As it is here to stay we all need it to do a proper job. This is just as important for the Tories as it is for Labour or one of the also rans.

Running a full legislating body, and the services that flow from that, and have proper and through opposition scrutiny, cannot be done with 60 members in a multi party environment. There needs to be at more AM's and, frankly, the quality issue (that all parties currently suffer from) is partly because they are paid so little, not too much. Who would stop being a Dr, Solicitor, Headteacher, for £53k!

What we do need to do is to trim 22 councils (at least 5 of which have over 60 members) down to around a third of that number. Not only would there be massive savings, they would then be large enough to do a proper job.

what a stupid comment Wales is worse off since devolution read the link below and you will see why



http://www.christian
doctrine.com/index.p
hp?option=com_conten
t&view=article&id=74
7:the-hard-facts-of-
life-for-the-welsh-a
ssembly-government&c
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Dai Rear wrote:
Who would stop being a Dr, Solicitor, Headteacher, for £53k!
John Griffiths did, didn't he, as far as I can recall?
But in general you're right. Blair lumbered us with this garbage. The bad always eats the good.
I don't think the correspondents are "professional malcontents". They're just fed-up. I hope you don't find fault with them for that because most of your neighbours will be fed up with the Welsh Grand Council rubbish as well, and you'll be lonely when you get parole.

yes your right John Griifiths has never had a proper job he was a ambulance chasing solicitor.

so he has always been a burden on the state

53k wow what a job i like it do sod all and get loads of dosh and trips oversea brill

scraptheWAG wrote:

On the inside wrote:
The Welsh Govt is never, ever, going away no matter how much the professional malcontents on here moan. As it is here to stay we all need it to do a proper job. This is just as important for the Tories as it is for Labour or one of the also rans.

Running a full legislating body, and the services that flow from that, and have proper and through opposition scrutiny, cannot be done with 60 members in a multi party environment. There needs to be at more AM's and, frankly, the quality issue (that all parties currently suffer from) is partly because they are paid so little, not too much. Who would stop being a Dr, Solicitor, Headteacher, for £53k!

What we do need to do is to trim 22 councils (at least 5 of which have over 60 members) down to around a third of that number. Not only would there be massive savings, they would then be large enough to do a proper job.

what a stupid comment Wales is worse off since devolution read the link below and you will see why



http://www.christian

doctrine.com/index.p

hp?option=com_conten

t&view=article&a
mp;id=74
7:the-hard-facts-of-

life-for-the-welsh-a

ssembly-government&a
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p;It
emi

Just had a look at www.christiandoctrin
e.com, the site says 'Christian Doctrine is for Christians who are serious about their faith' and what a balanced, authoritative website it turns out to be.
I was so impressed with some of the subjects that they covered, for example:

Why Homosexuality is a Death Cult.

Blood Terrorism - Gays donating blood.

The sociopathic agenda of homosexuals and the UK Government.

Deep-frying a Bible is Art; Burning a Koran is a Crime.

The ingredients of UKIP’s success: Unity, Conviction, Purpose and Purity of Message........ 'Did make me laugh that one'.

Roger Lewis uses Barry Island Primary School Children at official event for political gain – is this legal?

The Priesthood and Homosexuality.

Satanic Rulers:- Obama, Blair, EU and UN.

Yet Another Lie Against Israel:- The Gaza Aid Flotilla Incident.

Obama has plenty of talk but no walk! He is a deceiver, liar and God-hater.

SO WE CAN LEGALLY LEAVE THE EU – LET’S GO NOW!

Covert plans to expose every child in the country to paedophilic propaganda on the National Curriculum.

And then there's an article on the Welsh Assembly that could have come straight out of the American 'Tea Party' commentary box, so excuse me if I don't take any notice of that one.

As for Rosemary Butler........Nuts!

I actually said that the Welsh assembly would need more AM's to correctly run this country back when we were debating if we should have primary law making powers. Carwyn Jones assured me we wouldn't. I basically told him that's rubbish. Seems like i might be right. Lets face it, what have the Welsh assembly actually done for us which dramatically affects our sad and pathetic lives?

I does remember said AM being shuffled out of Education bark in da day like!!!
Just fink how many books that would buy like!!!

If they do not have enough time for WAG business perhaps they could reduce the 21weeks... YES TWENTY ONE WEEKS holiday they have every year!

What world do ALL politicians live in?

Living the dream!!!

If they had 20 more AM's,perhaps they could sort out the ongoing problem that is the Brynglas tunnels.

rightsideup wrote:
If they had 20 more AM's,perhaps they could sort out the ongoing problem that is the Brynglas tunnels.

And returning to the real world for a moment...

rightsideup wrote:
If they had 20 more AM's,perhaps they could sort out the ongoing problem that is the Brynglas tunnels.

Or any significant changes to improve Wales instead of playing with gimmick politics.

Bilbo Biggins wrote:

rightsideup wrote:
If they had 20 more AM's,perhaps they could sort out the ongoing problem that is the Brynglas tunnels.

Or any significant changes to improve Wales instead of playing with gimmick politics.

Yes. Wales is virtually inaccessible by road and what was their first infrastructure priority? Buy a failing airport. I think you could call that a gimmick.

Llanmartinangel wrote:

Bilbo Biggins wrote:

rightsideup wrote:
If they had 20 more AM's,perhaps they could sort out the ongoing problem that is the Brynglas tunnels.

Or any significant changes to improve Wales instead of playing with gimmick politics.

Yes. Wales is virtually inaccessible by road and what was their first infrastructure priority? Buy a failing airport. I think you could call that a gimmick.

Nice to see they have their priorities in order!....

ON THE INSIDE SAYS
"There needs to be at more AM's and, frankly, the quality issue (that all parties currently suffer from) is partly because they are paid so little, not too much. Who would stop being a Dr, Solicitor, Headteacher, for £53k!

What makes this contributor presupposes is that people drawn from those professions are better placed to work as elected public representatives than the `man in the street` who lives in the real world and with real people.

It is this sort of inane, stupid, judgement by a contributor to these pages which demonstrates he or she is NOT on the Inside but is floating around somewhere in space.

Llanmartinangel wrote:
And in their 14 years they've achieved squat. 3rd world healthcare, poor education, financial ruin and unemployment (except for them). When they held the referendum they really did rely on the gullible vote didn't they. And there were just enough lemmings to swing it.

Quite right.
Tony Bliar wanted a yes vote and he manipulated the system to achieve it.
The three largest areas of population were against the election of an Assembly.
Glad I voted against it.

Cymru Am Beth wrote:

Llanmartinangel wrote:
And in their 14 years they've achieved squat. 3rd world healthcare, poor education, financial ruin and unemployment (except for them). When they held the referendum they really did rely on the gullible vote didn't they. And there were just enough lemmings to swing it.

Quite right.
Tony Bliar wanted a yes vote and he manipulated the system to achieve it.
The three largest areas of population were against the election of an Assembly.
Glad I voted against it.

I didn't vote due to working in Africa but I would most probably have voted in favour at the time, although I would not now because as Martin says, they have achieved squat, it's low level politics, low level opposition and low level politicians that I think the majority of people struggle to see any benefit from.
What I am interested in though is your assertion that Blair manipulated the system to achieve a positive vote,how so?

Increase from 60 to 80? Someone had better strengthen the floor in the debating chamber then. It would never take the weight.

Howie' wrote:

scraptheWAG wrote:

On the inside wrote:
The Welsh Govt is never, ever, going away no matter how much the professional malcontents on here moan. As it is here to stay we all need it to do a proper job. This is just as important for the Tories as it is for Labour or one of the also rans.

Running a full legislating body, and the services that flow from that, and have proper and through opposition scrutiny, cannot be done with 60 members in a multi party environment. There needs to be at more AM's and, frankly, the quality issue (that all parties currently suffer from) is partly because they are paid so little, not too much. Who would stop being a Dr, Solicitor, Headteacher, for £53k!

What we do need to do is to trim 22 councils (at least 5 of which have over 60 members) down to around a third of that number. Not only would there be massive savings, they would then be large enough to do a proper job.

what a stupid comment Wales is worse off since devolution read the link below and you will see why



http://www.christian


doctrine.com/index.p


hp?option=com_conten


t&view=article&a
mp;a
mp;id=74
7:the-hard-facts-of-


life-for-the-welsh-a


ssembly-government&a
mp;a
mp;c
atid=104:politics&am
p;am
p;It
emi

Just had a look at www.christiandoctrin

e.com, the site says 'Christian Doctrine is for Christians who are serious about their faith' and what a balanced, authoritative website it turns out to be.
I was so impressed with some of the subjects that they covered, for example:

Why Homosexuality is a Death Cult.

Blood Terrorism - Gays donating blood.

The sociopathic agenda of homosexuals and the UK Government.

Deep-frying a Bible is Art; Burning a Koran is a Crime.

The ingredients of UKIP’s success: Unity, Conviction, Purpose and Purity of Message........ 'Did make me laugh that one'.

Roger Lewis uses Barry Island Primary School Children at official event for political gain – is this legal?

The Priesthood and Homosexuality.

Satanic Rulers:- Obama, Blair, EU and UN.

Yet Another Lie Against Israel:- The Gaza Aid Flotilla Incident.

Obama has plenty of talk but no walk! He is a deceiver, liar and God-hater.

SO WE CAN LEGALLY LEAVE THE EU – LET’S GO NOW!

Covert plans to expose every child in the country to paedophilic propaganda on the National Curriculum.

And then there's an article on the Welsh Assembly that could have come straight out of the American 'Tea Party' commentary box, so excuse me if I don't take any notice of that one.

As for Rosemary Butler........Nuts!

well it gives the facts of the case which facts are you saying are false and gives figures to support it please explain.

In 1989 the GVA for Wales was = 85.4% (of UK average)
In 2010 the GVA for Wales was = 74.3% (of UK average-worst in UK)

This WG is trampling on the people of Wales I would get rid and start again with men/women. They make guidelines/laws but don't stick to them look at the Mtan2 and John Griffths is minded to allow corrupt and underhand companies/people to start Opencast Mining 86metres from a primary school on the Varteg Torfaen when the WG guidelines say that a 500metre cordon should be in place.
And we can't get anyone to help us. And the effects have been proven to increase respiratory disease up to 5miles away from Opencast mining.
I

Michael Weedall wrote:
This WG is trampling on the people of Wales I would get rid and start again with men/women. They make guidelines/laws but don't stick to them look at the Mtan2 and John Griffths is minded to allow corrupt and underhand companies/people to start Opencast Mining 86metres from a primary school on the Varteg Torfaen when the WG guidelines say that a 500metre cordon should be in place.
And we can't get anyone to help us. And the effects have been proven to increase respiratory disease up to 5miles away from Opencast mining.
I

It's all about money they should care about our future generations and our environment instead of same old rich get richer and the poorer get poorer. I could rant all night but it won't get me anywhere and on here is not the best way to have a rant. Amser gwely nawr Now da pawb.

scraptheWAG wrote:

Howie' wrote:

scraptheWAG wrote:

On the inside wrote:
The Welsh Govt is never, ever, going away no matter how much the professional malcontents on here moan. As it is here to stay we all need it to do a proper job. This is just as important for the Tories as it is for Labour or one of the also rans.

Running a full legislating body, and the services that flow from that, and have proper and through opposition scrutiny, cannot be done with 60 members in a multi party environment. There needs to be at more AM's and, frankly, the quality issue (that all parties currently suffer from) is partly because they are paid so little, not too much. Who would stop being a Dr, Solicitor, Headteacher, for £53k!

What we do need to do is to trim 22 councils (at least 5 of which have over 60 members) down to around a third of that number. Not only would there be massive savings, they would then be large enough to do a proper job.

what a stupid comment Wales is worse off since devolution read the link below and you will see why



http://www.christian



doctrine.com/index.p



hp?option=com_conten



t&view=article&a
mp;a
mp;a
mp;id=74
7:the-hard-facts-of-



life-for-the-welsh-a



ssembly-government&a
mp;a
mp;a
mp;c
atid=104:politics&am
p;am
p;am
p;It
emi

Just had a look at www.christiandoctrin


e.com, the site says 'Christian Doctrine is for Christians who are serious about their faith' and what a balanced, authoritative website it turns out to be.
I was so impressed with some of the subjects that they covered, for example:

Why Homosexuality is a Death Cult.

Blood Terrorism - Gays donating blood.

The sociopathic agenda of homosexuals and the UK Government.

Deep-frying a Bible is Art; Burning a Koran is a Crime.

The ingredients of UKIP’s success: Unity, Conviction, Purpose and Purity of Message........ 'Did make me laugh that one'.

Roger Lewis uses Barry Island Primary School Children at official event for political gain – is this legal?

The Priesthood and Homosexuality.

Satanic Rulers:- Obama, Blair, EU and UN.

Yet Another Lie Against Israel:- The Gaza Aid Flotilla Incident.

Obama has plenty of talk but no walk! He is a deceiver, liar and God-hater.

SO WE CAN LEGALLY LEAVE THE EU – LET’S GO NOW!

Covert plans to expose every child in the country to paedophilic propaganda on the National Curriculum.

And then there's an article on the Welsh Assembly that could have come straight out of the American 'Tea Party' commentary box, so excuse me if I don't take any notice of that one.

As for Rosemary Butler........Nuts!

well it gives the facts of the case which facts are you saying are false and gives figures to support it please explain.

In 1989 the GVA for Wales was = 85.4% (of UK average)
In 2010 the GVA for Wales was = 74.3% (of UK average-worst in UK)

When I looked around that extreme right wing, homophobic, racist, anti Semitic, biased site..........I decided not to read the article, lol. Blimey I get condemned on here for quoting the Guardian but that pile off **** you might as well quote the Beano.

£THE number of Assembly members should be increased from 60 to 80, according to the AM for Newport West."

They are just letting you know what they are going to do!

There not asking for our permission, its a done deal!

displayed wrote:
£THE number of Assembly members should be increased from 60 to 80, according to the AM for Newport West."

They are just letting you know what they are going to do!

There not asking for our permission, its a done deal!

Much like the Westminster coalition then....

OH DEAR Give me a break!!!! Westminister MP,s
European MP,s Welsh Assembly members, COuncillors, JUST HOW MANY of these parasites do we need to govern such a small amount of people NO MORE. We can,t afford them NOW....

Mervyn James wrote:

displayed wrote:
£THE number of Assembly members should be increased from 60 to 80, according to the AM for Newport West."

They are just letting you know what they are going to do!

There not asking for our permission, its a done deal!

Much like the Westminster coalition then....

Oh that's ok then. Let's all sit back and take it on the chin.

displayed wrote:
£THE number of Assembly members should be increased from 60 to 80, according to the AM for Newport West."

They are just letting you know what they are going to do!

There not asking for our permission, its a done deal!

Come on now they are just creating jobs, for the boys again. The sheeple will vote them in its like animal farm in Wales. Liebour do what they want and we pay

Come on now they are just creating jobs, for the boys again. The sheeple will vote them in its like animal farm in Wales. Liebour do what they want and we pay

I cannot improve on the previous comments, I doubt if anyone could .

Llanmartinangel wrote:

Mervyn James wrote:

displayed wrote:
£THE number of Assembly members should be increased from 60 to 80, according to the AM for Newport West."

They are just letting you know what they are going to do!

There not asking for our permission, its a done deal!

Much like the Westminster coalition then....

Oh that's ok then. Let's all sit back and take it on the chin.

Don't blame me, neither of us voted for the coalition to rule, they voted themselves in. No I aint happy with it, but the Assembly DOES have a majority, but you don't seem happy with that either....

To run Wales we need a government and infrastructure, most of the waste is having MP's and such commuting to London to be ignored anyway. Wales is being run from afar by people who don't care about it, and leaving us to rot, frankly I don't see what Wales has to lose by cutting the links that chain us.

No assembly tomorrow would see NO improvements in Wales, it is naive to think so. It is only waste because of doubling up of representation, so, get rid of representations we don't need, I refer of course to those who spend more time at the other end of the M4 than in Wales.

Mervyn you seem to have forgotten you medication who mentioned the coalition?

county mad wrote:
Mervyn you seem to have forgotten you medication who mentioned the coalition?

Yeah but it's the same Mervyn who thought Cameron bought the banks despite it happening before he even came to power. Were you expecting a finger on the pulse? Lol.

http://www.southwale
sargus.co.uk/news/le
tters/10267945.We_re
_too_small_to_go_it_
alone/#commentsList

Llanmartinangel wrote:

county mad wrote:
Mervyn you seem to have forgotten you medication who mentioned the coalition?

Yeah but it's the same Mervyn who thought Cameron bought the banks despite it happening before he even came to power. Were you expecting a finger on the pulse? Lol.

http://www.southwale

sargus.co.uk/news/le

tters/10267945.We_re

_too_small_to_go_it_

alone/#commentsList

Quite true Martin but as with so many other things Cameron and the nasty party supported the Labour Government all the way in bailing out the banks, in speeches and in Parliamentary votes....Guess that should make him equally culpable in your eyes but to me it was the one time that the party's came together for the benefit of the country/ economy.

'If you're going to keep blaming the bloke for everything try at least finding something he actually did'.

How about being caught telling porkies...Again! Hot off the press:


In a key speech on the economy yesterday, David Cameron said:

"As the independent Office for Budget Responsibility has made clear, growth has been depressed by the financial crisis, by the problems in the eurozone and by a 60% rise in oil prices between Augsut 2010 and April 2011. They are absolutely clear, and they are absolutely independent. They are absolutely clear that the deficit reduction plan is not responsible; in fact, quite the opposite."

However, this afternoon, Robert Chote of the OBR has responded:

"For the avoidance of doubt, I think it is important to point out that every forecast published by the OBR since the June 2010 Budget has incorporated the widely held assumption that tax increases and spending cuts reduce economic growth in the short term. To summarise, we believe that fiscal consolidation measures have reduced economic growth over the past couple of years."

How terribly ungrateful of the OBR, eh Martin? especially as 'Call me Dave' set up the OBR in the first place, but I guess you shouldn't be such a serial liar Dave.

Now I see that this economically competent Tory led Government are going to be sued for £40 million pounds by some Rail company's for being, um....economically incompetent with the franchising process, oh dear, oh dear not a good week for the nasty party.

Come off it Howie. Here is an example of Balls lying.

http://blogs.spectat
or.co.uk/coffeehouse
/2012/10/ed-balls-is
-still-in-denial-abo
ut-the-deficit/

If you really think any career politician is not going to get caught out winging it then you are very naive.

A few facts. 60 AM's is one per 50,000 of population( By electorate it is about one per 35,000)

How about politicians look at how to increase efficiency. Guess where the biggest job growth has come from in Wales. Politics. Everywhere welse job numbers have reduced

I would say across Wales at minimum we should be looking to reduce the number of politicians by at least 35%

The more politicians you have the higher the costs and the worst things get.

Remenber each AM costs in total about £500,000 a year and that comes out of the Assemblies budget meaning another 20 costs about £10M a year

What budgest are they going to cut to pay for these extra AM's

A few facts. 60 AM's is one per 50,000 of population( By electorate it is about one per 35,000)

How about politicians look at how to increase efficiency. Guess where the biggest job growth has come from in Wales. Politics. Everywhere welse job numbers have reduced

I would say across Wales at minimum we should be looking to reduce the number of politicians by at least 35%

The more politicians you have the higher the costs and the worst things get.

Remenber each AM costs in total about £500,000 a year and that comes out of the Assemblies budget meaning another 20 costs about £10M a year

What budgest are they going to cut to pay for these extra AM's

Bob i have read alot of your comments and you are spot on but a little naive . The WAG is a huge create work product it employees 5000 people produces nothing does nothing and costs a fortune. But think who are those 5000 people and their family going to vote for come polling day???? and to be honest if you were on 50k as a welsh diversity officer etc etc you would do the same

Howie' wrote:

scraptheWAG wrote:

Howie' wrote:

scraptheWAG wrote:

On the inside wrote:
The Welsh Govt is never, ever, going away no matter how much the professional malcontents on here moan. As it is here to stay we all need it to do a proper job. This is just as important for the Tories as it is for Labour or one of the also rans.

Running a full legislating body, and the services that flow from that, and have proper and through opposition scrutiny, cannot be done with 60 members in a multi party environment. There needs to be at more AM's and, frankly, the quality issue (that all parties currently suffer from) is partly because they are paid so little, not too much. Who would stop being a Dr, Solicitor, Headteacher, for £53k!

What we do need to do is to trim 22 councils (at least 5 of which have over 60 members) down to around a third of that number. Not only would there be massive savings, they would then be large enough to do a proper job.

what a stupid comment Wales is worse off since devolution read the link below and you will see why



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Just had a look at www.christiandoctrin



e.com, the site says 'Christian Doctrine is for Christians who are serious about their faith' and what a balanced, authoritative website it turns out to be.
I was so impressed with some of the subjects that they covered, for example:

Why Homosexuality is a Death Cult.

Blood Terrorism - Gays donating blood.

The sociopathic agenda of homosexuals and the UK Government.

Deep-frying a Bible is Art; Burning a Koran is a Crime.

The ingredients of UKIP’s success: Unity, Conviction, Purpose and Purity of Message........ 'Did make me laugh that one'.

Roger Lewis uses Barry Island Primary School Children at official event for political gain – is this legal?

The Priesthood and Homosexuality.

Satanic Rulers:- Obama, Blair, EU and UN.

Yet Another Lie Against Israel:- The Gaza Aid Flotilla Incident.

Obama has plenty of talk but no walk! He is a deceiver, liar and God-hater.

SO WE CAN LEGALLY LEAVE THE EU – LET’S GO NOW!

Covert plans to expose every child in the country to paedophilic propaganda on the National Curriculum.

And then there's an article on the Welsh Assembly that could have come straight out of the American 'Tea Party' commentary box, so excuse me if I don't take any notice of that one.

As for Rosemary Butler........Nuts!

well it gives the facts of the case which facts are you saying are false and gives figures to support it please explain.

In 1989 the GVA for Wales was = 85.4% (of UK average)
In 2010 the GVA for Wales was = 74.3% (of UK average-worst in UK)

When I looked around that extreme right wing, homophobic, racist, anti Semitic, biased site..........I decided not to read the article, lol. Blimey I get condemned on here for quoting the Guardian but that pile off **** you might as well quote the Beano.

like i thought howie you have no answer - just out of interest do you believe that the WAG has improved the lives of people in wales apart from the ones who are employed there and if so HOW??