Newport's streets dirtiest in Wales, says new report (From South Wales Argus)

and efficient little council like newport - dont believe it

And who keep giving licenses to these fast food places NEWPORT CITY Council. Walk past any of these establishments and do they provide litter bins outside NO , walk past any corner shop is there a bin outside NO , they should have a penalty clause that they clean up after customers. Other culprits are the recycling lorries do they pick up anything that doesn't make it in the back of the lorry NO, refuse collectors pick up after them NO. When was the last time a road sweeper actually swept the streets , the scarab comes along but does the operator get out and actually sweep the gutters NO , he goes around the cars or vehicles in the road / street . All council workers , the buck stops with the council , do your job. Your quick enough putting stickers on over filled wheelie bins . ,

Basic, basic, basic. Keeping the city clean is a basic requirement. Who wants to work and live in a dirty dump? What business want to open un in a tip? If the Council can't keep the streets clean - it just shows they cant do much. I suppose Bright is in "talks" and doing "everything within his power"!!.

:Let's see the litter louts fined occasionally. McDonalds customers generate enought to fill the tip just on their own.

the grass outside my house between the road and pavement is also full of dog mess!

I live in the baneswell area of the city....Chip wrappers,sweet packets,empty cans,bottles news papers,constantly blowing around my street its been like that for so long now it almost becomes normal after a while SHOCKING TO BE HONEST

Why blame (fast food) businesses? Its the customer to decides to discard & drop the litter. Take pride & things might change.

Limestonecowboy wrote:
Why blame (fast food) businesses? Its the customer to decides to discard & drop the litter. Take pride & things might change.

The outlets dont drop the litter no, but they make substantial money from those who do. Each outlet should pay a substantial levy towards the cost of cleaning their customer mess. If they would responsible they would also pay someone to walk the streets outside their business clearing up.

So the customer gets away with it (by the way its an offence to drop litter) charge business additional overheads? try & pitch that one.

The whole place is dirty there is graffitti thats been there years and they wonder
why the shops have closed.

I'm glad I got out when I did!

....and it's not helped when the WasteSavers operatives.....drop items but fail to pick them up....
.....you also notice the difference when the schools are closed.....

I blame Cardiff, the prevailing south-westerlies blow the rubbish in. Newport city centre is always empty so people can't be littering there.

If they'd counted dog crap Newport City would have come top of the league tables. Another opportunity missed Bob Bright. What a mess. Litterally

Councillors must be very busy in Newport running around dropping all this litter.Wakeup you lot, its you and your neighbour who are creating this unenviable situation. We are the dirtiest
nation in western Europe, even our wild places are being used as dumping grounds ,our road verges are a disgrace
and is one of the factors that push-up our council tax. A conversation I had with a German years ago comes to mind, he said you British a very good at making laws but very lazy enforcing them, about sums it up I think . .

Skinner street is stinking, you can smell it before you get there. Newport bus station is disgusting, I have to use it for work every day, yuk......chewing gum, cartons, and general detritus that I can't identify but which seems to be permanently stuck to the roads and
pavements. The whole 'city' centre stinks. Its embarrassing. Do any councillors ever read the comments that we leave regarding the state of Newport? The empty shops in the town is one thing, but there's no excuse for a dirty, filthy 'city'.

Tell me something I didn't already know. At my little abode on the outskirts it's very clean, until refuse collection day when the refuse/recycle collectors drop part of their collection on the road, and then don't bother to pick it up.

Used to see the road sweeper in my street once a week which was fine, but now we might see him once a month...

These comments just show NCC needs to adjust its priorities and spend more on the basics that directly affects everyones lives on a daily basis. Go so most continental countries and you barely see a sweet wrapper anywhere and it gives a fresh feel to the whole place. Keep people in sh** and they'll behave like pigs.

Are you all for real?

Nearly 92% of the roads in Newport are grade B or above. That's actually superb news.

But hey, why let the facts get in the way of a good whinge.

Gareth wrote:
Are you all for real?

Nearly 92% of the roads in Newport are grade B or above. That's actually superb news.

But hey, why let the facts get in the way of a good whinge.

Come off it Gareth "dirtiest in Wales". That's ok then.

Woodgnome wrote:

Gareth wrote:
Are you all for real?

Nearly 92% of the roads in Newport are grade B or above. That's actually superb news.

But hey, why let the facts get in the way of a good whinge.

Come off it Gareth "dirtiest in Wales". That's ok then.

Yes, of course that's okay. IT'S 92%! We have very clean streets. Yes, others in Wales do too - but that's a cause for celebration for all of us, not a whinge at why were weren't better.

Geesh, if your kid comes home from school with 92%, but everyone else got slightly higher, would you consider him/her a thicky, and berate them to try harder?

No, you'd say well done, that's great, because it is.

By your reasoning, if we got only 50%, but every other place got even lower, that would be better.

I do not work for the council and am in no way defending them but come on people seriously are you for real the problem Newport has is not the council its the lack of respect that people have for the place I was born in Newport but grew up In monmouthshire I came back to Newport at the age of 15 and from then until now I have watched it plummit into the pit of a state its in now and its due to the people of Newport I sat in mc donalds car park the other day there was a car opposite me parked up with a bin in front of it the lads in their twenties instead of lifting their back side out of the car instead just undone their window and threw all the packaging on the floor (did these lads work for NCC?)seriously are you going to try telling me that.This behaviour is nothing but just pure laziness and lack of respect for the town we live in not only have people lost the will to smile or be polite but they are nothing but lazy and disrespectfull It was their actions they chose to throw it on the floor parents need to re **** what they are doing with their kids im a mum to two and already can see a huge difference in the way parenting is between different families.I was up spytty a few months back and there was under 5 yr olds riding bikes across the roads in front of cars in the dark at gone 9 pm!!! my kids are in bed safe at home not riding around on bikes with no lights that look like they were stolen from a little girl somewhere ..my point being we need to get the younger generation to have that little bit of respect back it frustrates me that people just cant see where we are going so wrong but it all starts at home and if these people of Newport give a **** then they will start changing their ways by teaching their kids respect as far as I can see the council try and educate the kids about litter and so on so our precious money we pay on taxes goes into the educations system for trips to wastesavers etc but if the kids dont give a **** when they get outside of school because at home they are shown its ok to not care and turn into those lads in their 20's they are set for life to be nothing but disrespectfull its time to change people wake up and smell the coffee sitting back and doing nothing wont help totally agree with the point about take aways above as well not only are they an eye sore they do create filth and also encourage people to eat all the rubbish going that then leaves a strain on our nhs services with obesity and diabetes its a ticking time bomb for those who cant resist and then our councils budget is blown on having to clean the rubbish up thats left behind thats blows down the streets I for one would rather see them spend money on better things myself

Gareth wrote:

Woodgnome wrote:

Gareth wrote:
Are you all for real?

Nearly 92% of the roads in Newport are grade B or above. That's actually superb news.

But hey, why let the facts get in the way of a good whinge.

Come off it Gareth "dirtiest in Wales". That's ok then.

Yes, of course that's okay. IT'S 92%! We have very clean streets. Yes, others in Wales do too - but that's a cause for celebration for all of us, not a whinge at why were weren't better.

Geesh, if your kid comes home from school with 92%, but everyone else got slightly higher, would you consider him/her a thicky, and berate them to try harder?

No, you'd say well done, that's great, because it is.

By your reasoning, if we got only 50%, but every other place got even lower, that would be better.

Gareth, you must either live in another dimension or you are a member of Newport Labour party. Newport is filthy and if you walk around for 2 mins you would see for yourself.

Don't patronise others about whinging just because you're happy to celebrate mediocrity.

Woodgnome wrote:

Gareth wrote:

Woodgnome wrote:

Gareth wrote:
Are you all for real?

Nearly 92% of the roads in Newport are grade B or above. That's actually superb news.

But hey, why let the facts get in the way of a good whinge.

Come off it Gareth "dirtiest in Wales". That's ok then.

Yes, of course that's okay. IT'S 92%! We have very clean streets. Yes, others in Wales do too - but that's a cause for celebration for all of us, not a whinge at why were weren't better.

Geesh, if your kid comes home from school with 92%, but everyone else got slightly higher, would you consider him/her a thicky, and berate them to try harder?

No, you'd say well done, that's great, because it is.

By your reasoning, if we got only 50%, but every other place got even lower, that would be better.

Gareth, you must either live in another dimension or you are a member of Newport Labour party. Newport is filthy and if you walk around for 2 mins you would see for yourself.

Don't patronise others about whinging just because you're happy to celebrate mediocrity.

Thanks for assuming that i'm some kind of moron because I don't want to whinge, but you're wrong on both assertions about me.

Look Woodknome (and I appreciate you engaging in a chat with me by the way) if you want to complain about the state of the streets, then go ahead, but to use a survey that says the streets are 92% clean, then even a moron like me is going to query it.

Complain at the survey that says 92% of streets are unclean and I'll join you.

I have no political agenda and love listening to anyone's complaints. All I ask is that they're based on fact.

My issue is that a lot of the usual suspects love to whinge about something. Their life is always someone else's fault, not their own. Finger pointing condemnation with no personal responsibility for their own choices in life.

that's what holds Newport back. not the council. Not immigrants. Not the gypsies. Not 'them', but the mentality of local people who expect that someone else is going to make their life better and then whinge when someone else doesn't.

and this isn't a pop at you woodgnome; just the classic Newport mentality that the future of our city is someone else's responsibility, not ours.

Gareth, do you remember this story of a YEAR ago - this was Keep Wales Tidy rather than officers stats?
http://www.walesonli
ne.co.uk/news/wales-
news/2012/02/28/wale
s-dirtiest-streets-a
re-in-newport-keep-w
ales-tidy-reveals-91
466-30424890/Council

Now you may not think its a bad result but "Newport council’s were given the lowest cleanliness index rating out of all of Wales' 22 councils of 64.9 – a marginal improvement on the the 64.3 it achieved last year."

Of course it's folk who drop the litter who are primarliy responsible but Councils have the reponsibility to clear it up and prosecute offenders. Newport do both badly. I for one dont' think Councils are beyond criticism. If Councillors stand for public office they must expect to be criticised when things go wrong. That's not whinging it's expressing an opinion.

no one is above criticism, absolutely. But when everyone criticises all the time, then it gets boring. Councillors are people like you and me. All the people who whinge either haven't stood for public office and prefer to complain from sidelines, or have and now whinge because their constituents said no.

This forum has now dropped to the lowest common denominator and becomes a place for no one but the whiners. (present company excepted, as you're engaging with a different view, sir). No debate. No differing opinion. Just shouty people who think life owes them a favour.

This story says it all, and i say again: 92%. That's superb, but never good enough for the usual suspects who just want to complain about everything.

Gareth

I agree with you to this extent
I read comments in other on line papers as well and I agree the most critical of their own city are the residents of Newport by far. This is also reflected in conversation with very many people who cannot be categorised as whingers.

However don't you think that this is a barometer of the lack of civic pride in Newport? There has to be a reason for this and I simply don't believe its because the people of newport are just a load of carping whingers. In my view it's to do with something much deeper than that and probably because of a total disconnect between them and Newport Council who consistently fail to deliver what the public priorities.

Also I dont see what standing or not standing for public office has to do with anything.

It's not only the "city" centre is it,that's spotless compared to the absolute filth that is often to be seen in the likes of Glebe Street and the local area.We were warned a year or two ago to expect dirtier streets but I for one never expected anything like this.On holiday I thought that places like Luxor and Mombasa were bad but they aren't as bad as Newport.I think, reading the report that the majority of the worst streets weren't surveyed . I wouldn't be surprised if the report had said Newport was the dirtiest place in Britain .Anyone like to buy some marbles,(can sterilise if required) good condition .Not needed anymore. ;-)

I just thought imagine the shame if the survey was an up to date one and not from over a year ago.

in fairness to this rubbish council, its very hard to keep a dump like newslum clean with so many lower class people and benefit scroungers on their books

Big Bus Driver wrote:
in fairness to this rubbish council, its very hard to keep a dump like newslum clean with so many lower class people and benefit scroungers on their books

What have they got to do with the tons of Newport Pigeon Guano on all the litter bins and seats in the bus station?

Woodgnome wrote:
Gareth

I agree with you to this extent
I read comments in other on line papers as well and I agree the most critical of their own city are the residents of Newport by far. This is also reflected in conversation with very many people who cannot be categorised as whingers.

However don't you think that this is a barometer of the lack of civic pride in Newport? There has to be a reason for this and I simply don't believe its because the people of newport are just a load of carping whingers. In my view it's to do with something much deeper than that and probably because of a total disconnect between them and Newport Council who consistently fail to deliver what the public priorities.

Also I dont see what standing or not standing for public office has to do with anything.

Hi Woodgnome,

I don't think the SWA comments section is a good barometer of general opinion at all - not by a long shot.

Look back a few years and there were many opinions on here - negative, positive, indifferent - but it was a wonderful community of people who wanted to engage with others, listen to other opinions, and come up with ideas.

The very few angry, shouty people who could neither spell nor reason were oft ignored - as you would ignore the shouty drunk in a local pub.

But then the shouty brigade got more angry and more turned up. If you are not critical of everything, or try to have a debate with reason, their only response is personal insult.

It is now seemingly a meeting place for angry people who come online specifically to complain.

Just look above: apart from you and me, there is no one debating or engaging anymore. Those who want to have moved away and no longer contribute.

Even in our chat, you've made the usual playground assumptions about me.

Seriously, you sound like a decent fella, and quite educated, so tell me honestly: if you were engaging with someone in the street, and they told you that you lived in another dimension, and obviously had a specific political agenda, would such reasoned wit win them the argument?

I say it again, as this has been totally missed again and again: this is a positive story. 92% is a fantastic result however you look at it.

But hey, it was the SWA that used the negative hook rather than the positive one, so they were always going to get the angry mob on.

Maybe it's me that's outdated!

Gareth, My point is this. You rely on the stats which were produced by Council officers whereas the stats produced by Keep Britain Tidy give a poorer picture. the "number" may be fantastic put the real picture is not.

The ref to "dimension" was not meant as an insult but in reality all you have to do is drive/walk round Newport to see it is very litter strewn indeed.

I think we ignore folk at our peril and to use your approach we shouldn't make judgements or that "shouty whingers" are to be written off. They have always been on here and I don't see any worsening picture as you suggest....

I'm a little confused. I thought the 91.8% was the Keep Britain Tidy figure?

I didn't say we should ignore people, but I afford no time to people who care nothing for the story at hand, but merely take it as an opportunity to shout and whinge against someone for not doing something about something to make their life better.

If there's no one in the firing line for their wrath - the council, immigrants, travellers, the police (insert other group to point fingers at) - then comments dry up.

Okay, for a moment, I'll take your assertion that the streets are a mess. Is anyone on here actually complaining against the people who make the mess?

No. Funny that.

Because the people making the mess is us! We are the people of Newport. We make the mess. But wait, it can't be our fault as that means taking some personal responsibility.

And the average story on this site attracts comments that abdicate personal responsibility to make our city a better place, in favour of blaming someone else for not doing it on our behalf.

Seriously Woodgnome, these comments sections are becoming a cesspit of bile and complaints instead of a forum for ideas to help make this a better city. It's not my choice, but seems to be the preferred direction for most others here. I'm not going to do what others do, and leave, but just fly my little flag for as long as I can!

We all gravitate towards people who share similar views as ourselves, and I'm no different. The people I know are too busy getting on with their lives and have no time nor inclination to find avenues, opportunities or fora to blame someone for something.

THAT'S why I have grave concerns when the comments section of the SWA is considered a barometer for general views. It really isn't.

I automatically ignore and pass by the racist bigot , minority blamers -if you have been referring to that category as shouty whingers then I agree with you.

There is still a heck of a lot who's comments cannot simply be ignored e.g those who think Newport is litter strewn.

Happy to leave it there if you are.

Thanks W, it's been a pleasure. Hope to chat again.

Gareth wrote:
Thanks W, it's been a pleasure. Hope to chat again.

When you two getting married?

The only reason to visit Newport is if you are on a programme with Kaleidoscope and you probably don't give a s*** about filth.

sunrise123 wrote:
The only reason to visit Newport is if you are on a programme with Kaleidoscope and you probably don't give a s*** about filth.

Well, you could come here with a bucket and spade and scoop up the pigeon guano from the seats and litter bins in the bus station and start a thriving business flogging it as an excellent fertilizer high in nitrates and phosphates.

We've had melton Mowbray pies, Caerphilly cheese, Loch Fyne herrings.

'We could have Newport Pigeon Guano too."

It used to be the "Home of the Mole".

Remember that anyone?

It could now be the home of p** and pigeon s*** too.

SASHA.P wrote:
I do not work for the council and am in no way defending them but come on people seriously are you for real the problem Newport has is not the council its the lack of respect that people have for the place I was born in Newport but grew up In monmouthshire I came back to Newport at the age of 15 and from then until now I have watched it plummit into the pit of a state its in now and its due to the people of Newport I sat in mc donalds car park the other day there was a car opposite me parked up with a bin in front of it the lads in their twenties instead of lifting their back side out of the car instead just undone their window and threw all the packaging on the floor (did these lads work for NCC?)seriously are you going to try telling me that.This behaviour is nothing but just pure laziness and lack of respect for the town we live in not only have people lost the will to smile or be polite but they are nothing but lazy and disrespectfull It was their actions they chose to throw it on the floor parents need to re **** what they are doing with their kids im a mum to two and already can see a huge difference in the way parenting is between different families.I was up spytty a few months back and there was under 5 yr olds riding bikes across the roads in front of cars in the dark at gone 9 pm!!! my kids are in bed safe at home not riding around on bikes with no lights that look like they were stolen from a little girl somewhere ..my point being we need to get the younger generation to have that little bit of respect back it frustrates me that people just cant see where we are going so wrong but it all starts at home and if these people of Newport give a **** then they will start changing their ways by teaching their kids respect as far as I can see the council try and educate the kids about litter and so on so our precious money we pay on taxes goes into the educations system for trips to wastesavers etc but if the kids dont give a **** when they get outside of school because at home they are shown its ok to not care and turn into those lads in their 20's they are set for life to be nothing but disrespectfull its time to change people wake up and smell the coffee sitting back and doing nothing wont help totally agree with the point about take aways above as well not only are they an eye sore they do create filth and also encourage people to eat all the rubbish going that then leaves a strain on our nhs services with obesity and diabetes its a ticking time bomb for those who cant resist and then our councils budget is blown on having to clean the rubbish up thats left behind thats blows down the streets I for one would rather see them spend money on better things myself

I agree with most of this but a few commas would'nt have gone miss-difficult read

SASHA.P wrote:
I do not work for the council and am in no way defending them but come on people seriously are you for real the problem Newport has is not the council its the lack of respect that people have for the place I was born in Newport but grew up In monmouthshire I came back to Newport at the age of 15 and from then until now I have watched it plummit into the pit of a state its in now and its due to the people of Newport I sat in mc donalds car park the other day there was a car opposite me parked up with a bin in front of it the lads in their twenties instead of lifting their back side out of the car instead just undone their window and threw all the packaging on the floor (did these lads work for NCC?)seriously are you going to try telling me that.This behaviour is nothing but just pure laziness and lack of respect for the town we live in not only have people lost the will to smile or be polite but they are nothing but lazy and disrespectfull It was their actions they chose to throw it on the floor parents need to re **** what they are doing with their kids im a mum to two and already can see a huge difference in the way parenting is between different families.I was up spytty a few months back and there was under 5 yr olds riding bikes across the roads in front of cars in the dark at gone 9 pm!!! my kids are in bed safe at home not riding around on bikes with no lights that look like they were stolen from a little girl somewhere ..my point being we need to get the younger generation to have that little bit of respect back it frustrates me that people just cant see where we are going so wrong but it all starts at home and if these people of Newport give a **** then they will start changing their ways by teaching their kids respect as far as I can see the council try and educate the kids about litter and so on so our precious money we pay on taxes goes into the educations system for trips to wastesavers etc but if the kids dont give a **** when they get outside of school because at home they are shown its ok to not care and turn into those lads in their 20's they are set for life to be nothing but disrespectfull its time to change people wake up and smell the coffee sitting back and doing nothing wont help totally agree with the point about take aways above as well not only are they an eye sore they do create filth and also encourage people to eat all the rubbish going that then leaves a strain on our nhs services with obesity and diabetes its a ticking time bomb for those who cant resist and then our councils budget is blown on having to clean the rubbish up thats left behind thats blows down the streets I for one would rather see them spend money on better things myself

I agree with most of this but a few commas would'nt have gone miss-difficult read

PErhaps it's time for BRighty boy to allow the council wardens back on the city centre, every little helps, or are we waiting for XFor to arrive?

a disgrace

There is a simple solution to the litter problem in Newport. Move out the small percent of law abiding people, Build a 200 foot high wall all around Newport and fill it in. Problem solved.

No more crime, no more druggies, no more dropouts of society skanking the tax payers money for endless feral children due to promiscuity and the ability not to say no.

And in years to come history can look back and show future generations the consequences of a poor run council, and police not being allowed to police the criminals due to government restrictions and fear of malicious complaints causing uncalled for grief.

biker1 wrote:
There is a simple solution to the litter problem in Newport. Move out the small percent of law abiding people, Build a 200 foot high wall all around Newport and fill it in. Problem solved.

No more crime, no more druggies, no more dropouts of society skanking the tax payers money for endless feral children due to promiscuity and the ability not to say no.

And in years to come history can look back and show future generations the consequences of a poor run council, and police not being allowed to police the criminals due to government restrictions and fear of malicious complaints causing uncalled for grief.

'small percent of law abiding people'...why do you even bother typing such nonsense that destroys any point you are trying to make ?

Nothing changes - Newport will always be a tip unless there is pride in the place by all of us. Mind you - They are sure to blame the usual - funding and the like - you know the usual smoke screens

somehow I don't think its gonna get any better! :(