‘King' Terry's idea for Newport's Cardiff future sparks furious web debate (From South Wales Argus)
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‘King' Terry Matthews’ idea for Newport to be absorbed by Cardiff sparks furious web debate
9:40am Wednesday 20th March 2013 in News
By Andy Rutherford
‘KING TERRY’: Sir Terry Matthews believes calling much of South Wales ‘Cardiff’ would benefit the area
“I OFTEN wish I were a King, and then I could do anything...”
In declaring that if he were king he would draw a circle from Swansea to Newport, include the Valleys, and call it Cardiff, chances are Sir Terry Matthews did not have AA Milne’s poem in mind.
Some reactions to Sir Terry’s comment – made during an interview for BBC Wales’ Week In Week Out programme when asked to comment on city regions – liken it to such nonsensical whimsy, others have been far less complimentary.
But his statement that if Newport was a region of Cardiff it would do better economically, while couched in perhaps unadvisedly monarchical tones, appears at least to have kick-started a debate on Newport’s future and its place in the economic picture.
The Newport-born billionaire admitted that the idea was a controversial one, but said: “If Newport was a region of Cardiff it would do better economically.
Many people won’t like these words but I believe this started a long time ago – size matters.
“If I was king, I would go (from) Swansea to Newport and I’d circle it and include the Valleys. I’d say ‘that’s Cardiff’.”
With proposals under consideration for a city region covering a smaller area but including Cardiff and Newport – mooted in a Welsh Government report last summer and a decision is awaited – and with Newport city centre struggling, his comments come at a sensitive time.
Social networks and the Argus website were busy with reaction, but there is also acknowledgement that a regional approach to boosting the economy is a sensible way forward.
Ed Townsend, Newport’s only Liberal Democrat councillor, said he didn’t think Newport should become a district of Cardiff, saying: “If we were realistic then South Wales has to come together, not administratively but as a fighting mass.” He said the concept of city regions is not that surrounding areas become part of Cardiff: “It is that together those areas become a stronger whole.”
The council’s opposition leader, Conservative councillor Matthew Evans, disagrees with the sentiment of Sir Terry’s comments.
He said: “Newport has to work hard to attract inward investment. To be just a subsidiary of Cardiff would not be in Newport’s best interests.”
With the Welsh Government still considering how best a city region might work, Newport council has decided not to comment.
Some agree, others say off with his head
NEWPORT might have taken a verbal battering from Tycoon Terry – but there has been a vigorous response – and not all in disagreement:
● Mohammad Asghar, South Wales East AM (Conservative): “I have great respect for Sir Terry Matthews and his skills as a businessman but I totally reject his call for Newport to become a region of Cardiff. “I want Newport to emulate Cardiff and not to be submerged by Cardiff.”
● Rosemary Butler, Newport West AM (Labour) and Assembly presiding officer: “Newport has a long, proud history, and with the continued investment and support of the Welsh Government I am confident the city has a bright future.”
● William Graham, South Wales East AM (Conservative): “I acknowledge there will be some disquiet with this proposal, however, a ‘Cardiff brand’ has the potential to realise the widest economic benefit for South-East Wales.”
● John Powell, owner of the kiosk in Newport city centre: “I imagine there would be economic benefits, but I think Newport should stand as a single entity.”
● Miqdad Al-Nuaimi, Newport city councillor (Labour): “I think Sir Terry needs to explain exactly what he means. How would Newport be a district of Cardiff, 12 miles away, across a green belt? How will it work practically? His comments are ill-timed.”
● Risca1 (from Argus website): “Sir Terry’s 100 per cent correct. It cannot get any worse.”
● ngtarr (from Argus website): “I do not agree with the idea of Newport being part of Cardiff. Not only could both cities lose their identity, it could be detrimental to both economies. Newport should be left to be a city in its own right and so should Cardiff.”
● taliesin* (from Argus website): “ ‘If I were king’ – strange phrase, but perhaps illustrates his mentality. Very much a self promoter and personal wealth generator who has little regard for the serfs!”
● Trefor (from Argus website): “What possible reason could there be for Welsh residents to listen to anb Anglo/Canadian resident when it comes to what is best for us? Butt out Matthews, we’ll decide.”
● A poll yesterday on our website – southwalesargus.co.uk asked: “Should Newport be a district of Cardiff?” Of those who responded, 35 per cent answered ‘yes’, with 65 per cent saying ‘no’.
ARGUS COMMMENT: King Terry’s got it wrong
THIS newspaper has always had plenty of admiration for Sir Terry Matthews.
But that admiration does not apply to the Celtic Manor Resort owner’s bizarre suggestion that Newport should become some kind of district or suburb of Cardiff.
In an interview with the BBC Sir Terry says: “If I was king, I would go (from) Swansea to Newport and I’d circle it and include the Valleys. I’d say ‘that’s Cardiff’.”
We think ‘King’ Terry, who built his business and still lives in Canada, may have spent a little too much time away from Wales. If he thinks the people of Newport or Swansea would be happy to be part of Cardiff then he really needs to get out more.
Sir Terry contends Newport would be more successful economically if it was seen as a region of Cardiff.
We would suggest Newport would fare better if the Cardiffcentric Welsh Government took a look outside the Senedd nowand again.
We suspect Sir Terry has a vested interest in making such a statement.
To him, the notion of ‘Celtic Manor, Cardiff’ has a lot more going for it than ‘Celtic Manor, Newport’. Remember the ‘Vale of Usk’ anyone?
Obviously, Sir Terry was trying to enter the debate about city regions but he has gone about it in a surprisingly cackhanded way.
Newport may not be having the best of times economically.
But pretending it is part of somewhere else won’t solve its problems.
Comments(24)
SterlingEffort
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10:11am Wed 20 Mar 13
As a Cwmbran man born and bred, I think the problems regarding Newport are somewhat overstated. Yes it has its problems (every town and city does to some degree), but Newport's is only more headline hitting because its issues circle around the city centre economy which of course results in more serious repurcussions.
People need to stop with the sensationalist comments i.e. "Newport's a lost cause" etc.
The council need to start from scratch and actually start listening and acting upon what its people have to say.
Personally I think that Newport should give free city centre parking some serious thought. Surely the money they would lose from doing this would be outweighed by the financial gains that would be made from businesses returning to the centre.
Gwent as a whole has many attractions, Caerleon's Roman fort, Cwmcarn Forest Drive, Sirhowy Valley Park etc, so why not advertise Newport as a gateway (geographically speaking) to what Gwent offers.
It would be a slow process of course, but not an impossible one.
Owain Vaughan
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10:21am Wed 20 Mar 13
smokintheweed
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10:26am Wed 20 Mar 13
Ian MacKinlay
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10:35am Wed 20 Mar 13
"Surely the money they would lose from doing this would be outweighed by the financial gains that would be made from businesses returning to the centre".
You would think so wouldn't you. I agree with your thinking.
Unfortunately, I think we need to urge our Westminster MPs, Paul flynn and Jessica Morden, to do their bit in seeing the current law changed.
It is a fallacy that the Council benefits from business council rates in a manner which I think you are probably assuming to be the case.
Under the present system, the Council collects the rates, but then only actually receives what Westminster sees fit to hand back as either the rate support grant or lost as part of some other payment system, perhaps hidden somewhere in the Barnet Formula and channelled through the Welsh Government's money-grabbing hands.
Clearly what is needed with a decaying city centre like Newport's, is a system whereby the Council directly controls the business rates, in a similar way to that which applies to domestic rates.
With all those empty shops the Council would be able to do the appropriate thing in seeing them filled, with the promise later on that the shops could generate enough income to pay higher rates eventually. At the moment the Council is unable to do this.
Absurd it is.
Write to Paul Flynn and Jessica Morden, to get the law changed.
Ian MacKinlay
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10:42am Wed 20 Mar 13
To me, it seems to be one of the most important steps that could be taken, to help to rectify the current problem.
It seems to me like like common sense.
billy boy 2
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10:54am Wed 20 Mar 13
ncfcr
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10:55am Wed 20 Mar 13
Owain Vaughan wrote:Beirut.
ncfcr's comment epitomises just such sensationalism. I wonder where he/she lives that is so much better?
whatintheworld
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11:11am Wed 20 Mar 13
billy boy 2 wrote:Since when does being a millionaire qualify you for a role in public office?
This guys made billions I think he knows better than your local councilor
Michael Owen has made millions, hes free at the end of the season, perhaps you'd suggest putting him incharge of your ward?
Katie Re-Registered
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12:37pm Wed 20 Mar 13
The Man Who Woud be King! lol:) All Hail Biggus Diccus, Caesar of Cardiffinium, Governator of Isca and the tribes of Siluria!!!
Hmmm...he might have known better than to proclaim himself a King around eastertime: historically, it's a sure fire way to get crucified - albeit, fortunately in this day-and-age, in the virtual sense.
Cwmderi
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12:56pm Wed 20 Mar 13
And if it did, what diffeence would it make to the citizens of Newport.
Probably the most significant thing associated with Newport at the moment is 'Newport County' football team and they are managing this without the tag of City status, They could probably go a lot further should King Terry dip into his counting house box.
amandadavies8
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1:39pm Wed 20 Mar 13
Owain Vaughan
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2:21pm Wed 20 Mar 13
Strider
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6:25pm Wed 20 Mar 13
Wag gives all the money to 'Cardiff'!!! Sir Terry says 'Newport' becoming part of 'Cardiff' would get Wag money to regenerate Newport..
Which also benefits Terry as he gets more trade for having a Cardiff postcode..
The usual how good/bad Newport arguments insured with neither side wanting to give way.. Some of the pro Newport commentators resorted to the usual insults and aggressive responses then wonder why people consider Newport to be full of illiterate Chav's!!
Also sightly humorous was how the same People where complaining about how Sir Terry has done nothing for Newport when, a few months ago they where praising him as the Messiah for opening Wales largest Charity shop..
Maybe there time would be better spent approaching Sir Terry to sponsor them in opening a Business in Newport.. Rather then making personal insults behind there computers perhaps they could invest in Newport, and put the same energy into promoting Newport
NakedDancer
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6:43pm Wed 20 Mar 13
Owain Vaughan wrote:Absolutely. Any town/city debate is a complete red herring and distraction. City status has been allocated and it can't be withdrawn.
Yet more ignorance from the Argus' keyboard warriors: City status is the sole prerogative of the Monarch. There are no criteria for it to be awarded, so there are no grounds for it being revoked.
There was a lot of political hype that being called a City would bring in massive investment and that's what grates with people. It was wrong to make such a strong link between City status and regeneration.
There was some short term publicity being appointed a City and arguably some qudos but the challenge to get investors to engage has nothing to do with the town/city status. Investors are only interested in financial returns.
NakedDancer
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6:57pm Wed 20 Mar 13
Yes he enjoys self publicity and serves his own interests but that's business. The Celtic Manor is a quality facility, a landmark/advertiseme
nt for Newport, creates jobs locally (as his other businesses have) and he doesn't have to be there. On the other hand reneging on the planning consent to sort the listed farmhouse and trying to use the media to ride roughshod over those commitments with his associated threats showed his dark side.
Similarly the 'If I was King' statement... an arrogant baffoon ? scheming hard nosed businessman ? or down to earth local boy made good ? A real enigma.
Tomanyunits
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10:54pm Wed 20 Mar 13
Woodgnome
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10:54pm Wed 20 Mar 13
Tomanyunits
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10:57pm Wed 20 Mar 13
billy boy 2
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10:52am Thu 21 Mar 13
whatintheworld wrote:Well King Terry did make his money in the business world - not kicking a football around which I agree you do need a skill to be able to do but we don't need any more footballers at the moment But South east wales needs a lot of business help and this guy seems to be the only one willing to step up to the mark
billy boy 2 wrote:Since when does being a millionaire qualify you for a role in public office?
This guys made billions I think he knows better than your local councilor
Michael Owen has made millions, hes free at the end of the season, perhaps you'd suggest putting him incharge of your ward?
swnpayne
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3:15pm Fri 22 Mar 13
Dee-Gee
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12:06am Tue 26 Mar 13
billy boy 2 wrote:The only business TM is interested in helping is his own.
whatintheworld wrote:Well King Terry did make his money in the business world - not kicking a football around which I agree you do need a skill to be able to do but we don't need any more footballers at the moment But South east wales needs a lot of business help and this guy seems to be the only one willing to step up to the mark
billy boy 2 wrote:Since when does being a millionaire qualify you for a role in public office?
This guys made billions I think he knows better than your local councilor
Michael Owen has made millions, hes free at the end of the season, perhaps you'd suggest putting him incharge of your ward?
scraptheWAG
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10:34pm Tue 26 Mar 13
Woodgnome
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7:56am Wed 27 Mar 13
ncfcr says...
10:07am Wed 20 Mar 13