Gwent civil servants to strike today (From South Wales Argus)

Those poor people. Fancy their pensions only rising in line with CPI instead of RPI and having to pay a little bit extra to get the ridiculously subsidised pension they will receive.

Public sector work is a doddle. There are millions of unemployed who would happily do their jobs, all strikers should be sacked and replaced in my opinion.

ncfcr wrote:
Those poor people. Fancy their pensions only rising in line with CPI instead of RPI and having to pay a little bit extra to get the ridiculously subsidised pension they will receive. Public sector work is a doddle. There are millions of unemployed who would happily do their jobs, all strikers should be sacked and replaced in my opinion.

watch out mate, your ignorance is showing.

whatintheworld wrote:

ncfcr wrote:
Those poor people. Fancy their pensions only rising in line with CPI instead of RPI and having to pay a little bit extra to get the ridiculously subsidised pension they will receive. Public sector work is a doddle. There are millions of unemployed who would happily do their jobs, all strikers should be sacked and replaced in my opinion.

watch out mate, your ignorance is showing.

If they don't like the terms they're being offered, they always have the option of quitting the jobs that are subsidised by the public purse and pursuing a career in the private sector where you are in charge of your own destiny - this is the beauty of capitalism, you have a democratic, capitalist society - you have a choice.

The Government, and therefore we, are paying their wages. The Government therefore sets the rules. What is so difficult to understand about that? If you don't like it, go and work in a non-Government office.

strange typing error in the post above, but you get the point!

I understand your point, but disagree.

Thanks for substantiating your opinion

Public and Commercial Service (PCS) union members at the Office for National Statistics, the Intellectual Property Office, the Identity and Passport Office and the Ministry of Justice’s Shared Service Centre are among those taking industrial action in Newport.

Lol; - so no one who'll be missed then?

Yes
Let's all go back to the good old days of pre- trade union times and rewrite the history of the Chartists and the Tollpuddle Martyrs.
Let's all doff our caps to the iron and coal masters and the landowners who were the only ones who could represent us in the London Parliament.
Let's reintroduce the prison ships and deport anyone to Australia who stole a loaf bread to feed their starving children.
Was it not those beloveved 'private' sector bankers that brought this country to its knees, so don't crack on about public sector workers as if it is them who got us in this mess in the first place.
Face reality not your right wing extreme prejudices against the public sector who provide everyday services to our communities and do not stash their millions away in some foreign off-shore bank to avoid paying their dues.
If it were not for our forefathers taking direct action through the withdrawal of their labour, millions of our people would still be on the streets with their begging bowls, which might even go down well with some of those who always decry public sector workers..

Mr Angry wrote:

ncfcr wrote:

whatintheworld wrote:

ncfcr wrote: Those poor people. Fancy their pensions only rising in line with CPI instead of RPI and having to pay a little bit extra to get the ridiculously subsidised pension they will receive. Public sector work is a doddle. There are millions of unemployed who would happily do their jobs, all strikers should be sacked and replaced in my opinion.

watch out mate, your ignorance is showing.

If they don't like the terms they're being offered, they always have the option of quitting the jobs that are subsidised by the public purse and pursuing a career in the private sector where you are in charge of your own destiny - this is the beauty of capitalism, you have a democratic, capitalist society - you have a choice. The Government, and therefore we, are paying their wages. The Government therefore sets the rules. What is so difficult to understand about that? If you don't like it, go and work in a non-Government office.

What a moron

Well thought out response. Perhaps you'd like to tell me just what it is that public sector workers do that warrants:-

- More holidays than the private sector
- More generous pay rises than the private sector
- More generous pensions than the private sector

I worked in the public sector for 3 years and the majority of people I encountered were in it for an easy ride, spent most of their day making tea and coffee, went home at 4pm and generally didn't do an awful lot.

Face reality not your right wing extreme prejudices against the public sector who provide everyday services to our communities and do not stash their millions away in some foreign off-shore bank to avoid paying their dues.

Well I'm from about as far left as it's possible to get, and I have pretty extreme prejudices against public servants too. The ones at management level and up at least. Far as I'm concerned, they're all overpaid, useless wastes of space, and we should deport them to Oz, and hire some goldfish to sit in their chairs and replace them with.

Cwmderi wrote:
Yes Let's all go back to the good old days of pre- trade union times and rewrite the history of the Chartists and the Tollpuddle Martyrs. Let's all doff our caps to the iron and coal masters and the landowners who were the only ones who could represent us in the London Parliament. Let's reintroduce the prison ships and deport anyone to Australia who stole a loaf bread to feed their starving children. Was it not those beloveved 'private' sector bankers that brought this country to its knees, so don't crack on about public sector workers as if it is them who got us in this mess in the first place. Face reality not your right wing extreme prejudices against the public sector who provide everyday services to our communities and do not stash their millions away in some foreign off-shore bank to avoid paying their dues. If it were not for our forefathers taking direct action through the withdrawal of their labour, millions of our people would still be on the streets with their begging bowls, which might even go down well with some of those who always decry public sector workers..

Well said !!!

ncfcr wrote:

Mr Angry wrote:

ncfcr wrote:

whatintheworld wrote:

ncfcr wrote: Those poor people. Fancy their pensions only rising in line with CPI instead of RPI and having to pay a little bit extra to get the ridiculously subsidised pension they will receive. Public sector work is a doddle. There are millions of unemployed who would happily do their jobs, all strikers should be sacked and replaced in my opinion.

watch out mate, your ignorance is showing.

If they don't like the terms they're being offered, they always have the option of quitting the jobs that are subsidised by the public purse and pursuing a career in the private sector where you are in charge of your own destiny - this is the beauty of capitalism, you have a democratic, capitalist society - you have a choice. The Government, and therefore we, are paying their wages. The Government therefore sets the rules. What is so difficult to understand about that? If you don't like it, go and work in a non-Government office.

What a moron

Well thought out response. Perhaps you'd like to tell me just what it is that public sector workers do that warrants:-

- More holidays than the private sector
- More generous pay rises than the private sector
- More generous pensions than the private sector

I worked in the public sector for 3 years and the majority of people I encountered were in it for an easy ride, spent most of their day making tea and coffee, went home at 4pm and generally didn't do an awful lot.

- More holidays than the private sector
- More generous pay rises than the private sector
- More generous pensions than the private sector

Of course, it could always ask instead why the private sector has
-Less holidays than the public sector.
-Less generous pay than the public sector
-Less generous pensions than the public sector.

Labour & Plaid have refused to cross the picket line at the Welsh assembley. AGAIN!

"All business in the Welsh Assembly on Wednesday has been cancelled because Labour and Plaid members will not cross a picket line"
http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/uk-21855620

Incredible lack of respect for every voter who voted for them to do a job and the tax payers who pay their wages.

An absolute discgrace!

Public servants striking is depriving the public of services that they are paying for, because the people who are employed to provide those services want more than they are getting. Where I come from, that is greed. If you can't come to an agreement sat around a table, work hard and try and get a better job.

Protecting wealth accrued from being a successful entrepreneur is not greed; it is common sense so long as it is applied within the boundaries of law.

To keep harping back to basic rights our forefathers made for us does not apply to this argument. Basic human rights have evolved since then, and those dark days will never be repeated.

KarmaSuitsYa wrote:

ncfcr wrote:

Mr Angry wrote:

ncfcr wrote:

whatintheworld wrote:

ncfcr wrote: Those poor people. Fancy their pensions only rising in line with CPI instead of RPI and having to pay a little bit extra to get the ridiculously subsidised pension they will receive. Public sector work is a doddle. There are millions of unemployed who would happily do their jobs, all strikers should be sacked and replaced in my opinion.

watch out mate, your ignorance is showing.

If they don't like the terms they're being offered, they always have the option of quitting the jobs that are subsidised by the public purse and pursuing a career in the private sector where you are in charge of your own destiny - this is the beauty of capitalism, you have a democratic, capitalist society - you have a choice. The Government, and therefore we, are paying their wages. The Government therefore sets the rules. What is so difficult to understand about that? If you don't like it, go and work in a non-Government office.

What a moron

Well thought out response. Perhaps you'd like to tell me just what it is that public sector workers do that warrants:-

- More holidays than the private sector
- More generous pay rises than the private sector
- More generous pensions than the private sector

I worked in the public sector for 3 years and the majority of people I encountered were in it for an easy ride, spent most of their day making tea and coffee, went home at 4pm and generally didn't do an awful lot.

- More holidays than the private sector
- More generous pay rises than the private sector
- More generous pensions than the private sector

Of course, it could always ask instead why the private sector has
-Less holidays than the public sector.
-Less generous pay than the public sector
-Less generous pensions than the public sector.

I disagree. Public sector workers are the odd ones out, not private sector. The rewards at the end are far in excess of the contribution to our society.

ncfcr wrote:

KarmaSuitsYa wrote:

ncfcr wrote:

Mr Angry wrote:

ncfcr wrote:

whatintheworld wrote:

ncfcr wrote: Those poor people. Fancy their pensions only rising in line with CPI instead of RPI and having to pay a little bit extra to get the ridiculously subsidised pension they will receive. Public sector work is a doddle. There are millions of unemployed who would happily do their jobs, all strikers should be sacked and replaced in my opinion.

watch out mate, your ignorance is showing.

If they don't like the terms they're being offered, they always have the option of quitting the jobs that are subsidised by the public purse and pursuing a career in the private sector where you are in charge of your own destiny - this is the beauty of capitalism, you have a democratic, capitalist society - you have a choice. The Government, and therefore we, are paying their wages. The Government therefore sets the rules. What is so difficult to understand about that? If you don't like it, go and work in a non-Government office.

What a moron

Well thought out response. Perhaps you'd like to tell me just what it is that public sector workers do that warrants:-

- More holidays than the private sector
- More generous pay rises than the private sector
- More generous pensions than the private sector

I worked in the public sector for 3 years and the majority of people I encountered were in it for an easy ride, spent most of their day making tea and coffee, went home at 4pm and generally didn't do an awful lot.

- More holidays than the private sector
- More generous pay rises than the private sector
- More generous pensions than the private sector

Of course, it could always ask instead why the private sector has
-Less holidays than the public sector.
-Less generous pay than the public sector
-Less generous pensions than the public sector.

I disagree. Public sector workers are the odd ones out, not private sector. The rewards at the end are far in excess of the contribution to our society.

McDonald's workers and Salesmen don't trump Paramedics or Teachers in my book me old mucker

KarmaSuitsYa wrote:

ncfcr wrote:

KarmaSuitsYa wrote:

ncfcr wrote:

Mr Angry wrote:

ncfcr wrote:

whatintheworld wrote:

ncfcr wrote: Those poor people. Fancy their pensions only rising in line with CPI instead of RPI and having to pay a little bit extra to get the ridiculously subsidised pension they will receive. Public sector work is a doddle. There are millions of unemployed who would happily do their jobs, all strikers should be sacked and replaced in my opinion.

watch out mate, your ignorance is showing.

If they don't like the terms they're being offered, they always have the option of quitting the jobs that are subsidised by the public purse and pursuing a career in the private sector where you are in charge of your own destiny - this is the beauty of capitalism, you have a democratic, capitalist society - you have a choice. The Government, and therefore we, are paying their wages. The Government therefore sets the rules. What is so difficult to understand about that? If you don't like it, go and work in a non-Government office.

What a moron

Well thought out response. Perhaps you'd like to tell me just what it is that public sector workers do that warrants:-

- More holidays than the private sector
- More generous pay rises than the private sector
- More generous pensions than the private sector

I worked in the public sector for 3 years and the majority of people I encountered were in it for an easy ride, spent most of their day making tea and coffee, went home at 4pm and generally didn't do an awful lot.

- More holidays than the private sector
- More generous pay rises than the private sector
- More generous pensions than the private sector

Of course, it could always ask instead why the private sector has
-Less holidays than the public sector.
-Less generous pay than the public sector
-Less generous pensions than the public sector.

I disagree. Public sector workers are the odd ones out, not private sector. The rewards at the end are far in excess of the contribution to our society.

McDonald's workers and Salesmen don't trump Paramedics or Teachers in my book me old mucker

On the other hand, without entrepreneurs and wealth creators, you wouldn't be able to pay public sector workers. There are people of value in both sectors, its the proportions of each which are debatable. Didn't a lot of public sector employees (doctors, nurses and admin) slaughter patients in hundreds at a staffs hospital? Not a single private sector individual involved.

That's a very selective example you've used there!

Equally, private nursing home workers trump administration clerks down the Patent Office.

Lol - touche you two. But hey, you don't need to convince me, I don't like the public or the private sector.

if they dont like it hand your notice in and get a job in the private sector - I have worked in both- trust me people in the public sector are over paid and underworked

Bilbo Biggins wrote:
Labour & Plaid have refused to cross the picket line at the Welsh assembley. AGAIN!

"All business in the Welsh Assembly on Wednesday has been cancelled because Labour and Plaid members will not cross a picket line"
http://www.bbc.co.uk

/news/uk-21855620

Incredible lack of respect for every voter who voted for them to do a job and the tax payers who pay their wages.

An absolute discgrace!

oh no the wag is on strike how will we manage get a life

ScraptheWAG I have also worked in the private and public sector, where I now work as a care assistant. I haven't had a pay rise for three years. My wages are not much above minimum wage. I run around in work all day and rarely take breaks. Your comments about public sector employees are biased, don't lump us all in one group. There are lazy employees everywhere, irrespective of who pays their wages.

cath yes i am aware that people like yourself do work hard. but i suspect there are HUGE levels of management in the place that you work. I worked at the MOD in bath for 1 year (contract) and there were large numbers of people who used to spent their days surfing the net and playing space invaders on their computer! and as for pay i am on the same pay now as in 2003.

That's funny cos if I did my job in the private sector I'd be paid a lot more for what I do. I am overworked, stressed out and haven't had a pay rise in at least two years. However, if I worked in the private sector job security would be a different matter. I would be on a contract which when you have a family is too unpredictable. From talking to those in the private sector they seem to have far less protection and employers are far more likely to flought employment laws. We stay because of job security and the fact that in general we are treated better.

Will anyone notice , try contacting them, out of the office or on holiday!

MR DUDLEY wrote:
Will anyone notice , try contacting them, out of the office or on holiday!

Shouldn't public sector workers be allowed holidays or meal breaks?

scraptheWAG wrote:

Bilbo Biggins wrote: Labour & Plaid have refused to cross the picket line at the Welsh assembley. AGAIN! "All business in the Welsh Assembly on Wednesday has been cancelled because Labour and Plaid members will not cross a picket line" http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-21855620 Incredible lack of respect for every voter who voted for them to do a job and the tax payers who pay their wages. An absolute discgrace!

oh no the wag is on strike how will we manage get a life

where can I get one? been looking for ages.

Civil servants are lazy and ungrateful for their cushy jobs and gold plated pensions. No one was affected by the strike, they can happily go on permanent strike and save the taxpayer some much needed cash.

It makes me laugh administrators in the patent office & passport office striking!!! what administrators in the public sector earn fantastic money and have a pension??? I have a friend in the PCS who had a lovely day off but hasnt a clue why the strike. If you are going to strike you should be on the picket line, not lazing at home!!!

Cwmderi - you are missing the point these people arnt fighting salve labour or H&S issues like they did in the pits - your comparision is idiotic and pointless. The unions are not fighting for the basic needs for humans they are constantly trying to score points. You tell me why tax payers should subside them over those in the private sector. You obviously have no understanding on running a business in this climate perhaps you should have a go and then once you've worked 7 days a week with no sick pay, no pension (mine is worth £800 per years at the current value).

Not everyone in the civil service should be tarred with this 'lazy brush' there are plenty who give 100% same as those in the private sector who on annual assessment dont reach their target are got ride of.

It really makes me laugh when all the backward labour voters comment on here

1. When cameron makes cuts he is saving the taxpayer - you money.

2. When labour squader and waste its not their money they are wasting , it was not fat gordey brown money he was wasting it was yours.

3. Labour I know will tell the faithful that they will give everyone a huge pay rise and massive pension and the man on the moon will pay for it.

4. If the public sector crowd could get a better deal in the private sector then do us a favour and hand your notice in.

I cannot decide who would get the supreme award for stupidity,the anti TU
contributors or the Argus who will not print what other newspapers do. One is blind in one eye the other blind in both