Caerleon beer garden swearing ban ‘victory for common sense’

South Wales Argus: LICENCE CONDITIONS CHANGED: Angela Jones, licensee of the Red Lion, Caerleon, with husband Adrian Jones pictured last year LICENCE CONDITIONS CHANGED: Angela Jones, licensee of the Red Lion, Caerleon, with husband Adrian Jones pictured last year

A NEWPORT pub has agreed to bar customers from swearing from its beer garden after complaints about noise from neighbours.

The Red Lion in Backhall Street in Caerleon has had its licence conditions changed following complaints of shouting, swearing and loud music fromthe beer garden.

The conditions, agreed by Newport council’s licensing subcommittee with licensee Punch Taverns, will see the beer garden closed after 10pm with no regulated entertainment permitted there.

One condition, understood to refer to the garden, reads that “swearing and other loud boisterous behaviour will not be permissible and action to remove those who fail to cease such behaviour upon request will be effective.”

The council’s environmental protection department had requested a review of the pub’s licence, claiming designated premises supervisor Angela Jones had failed to manage the beer garden.

Officers at Newport council had received complaints from residents about noise from patrons using the beer garden, and from amplified music during events in the beer garden, since June 2011.

The situation had not improved despite a number of meetings with Mrs Jones.

A police community support officer, who spoke to a neighbour last September, found her in tears after she told her she could not stand the noise from the garden anymore and could not sleep, a council report said.

The resident had witnessed patrons using the beer garden after 11pm, when it was meant to have been vacated.

Mrs Jones said the issue has been resolved with the complainants.

But she said stopping people swearing was “going to be very difficult. We have agreed to do 15 minute checks in the garden.

“If we hear people using bad language the we will ask them to keep their language down,” he said.

Cllr Allan Morris, of the licensing sub-committee, said he was delighted Punch Taverns had “gone out of their way” to deal with the complaints.

“It’s a victory for common sense and good neighbourliness,” he said.

One neighbour, Pam Lloyd, 54, of Backhall Street said she has no issues with noise levels. “I have no problems at all,” she said.

Another Backhall Street resident who did not wish to be named felt the same: “We have never had any problems with noise and if there is going to be a party then it is only a one-off and Angela lets us know before.”

ARGUS COMMENT: Last orders for swearing

THE news that a Newport pub has been told to ban swearing in its beer garden after complaints should be welcomed.

The Red Lion in Caerleon has had complaints from neighbours about the behaviour of some customers including shouting, swearing and loud music.

So to tackle this Newport Council licensing committee took the unusual step of agreeing licence conditions with owners Punch Taverns effectively outlawing swearing and other boisterous behaviour in their pub garden.

While everyone is entitled to have a good time when they go out, the damage noise nuisance causes to neighbours cannot be underestimated.

One neighbour was driven to tears after she was unable to sleep due to the noise.

Some may consider this ban above and beyond the remit of local councillors but pubs have a hard enough time attracting customers at the moment and any policy that encourages well-mannered clientele is not to be ignored.

And by banning foul language can change the attitude of a pub overnight.

Landlords who have had to take over raucous pubs in the past have attested to the fact that by curbing swearing it changes the overall antisocial behaviour of their clientele.

If pubs have a future as community hubs they have to find a way to get along with the people that live closest to them.

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11:12am Fri 29 Mar 13

KarmaSuitsYa says...

Hahaha - never heard anything so ludicrous. No smoking, now no swearing, how long before there's going to be no drinking allowed in pubs?

I wouldn't drink anywhere where I was told what I could or couldn't say. Good luck to the Landlord/Lady in this endeavour - I think you're going to need it.

Wonder which moron at the Council dreamed up this little brainchild.
Hahaha - never heard anything so ludicrous. No smoking, now no swearing, how long before there's going to be no drinking allowed in pubs? I wouldn't drink anywhere where I was told what I could or couldn't say. Good luck to the Landlord/Lady in this endeavour - I think you're going to need it. Wonder which moron at the Council dreamed up this little brainchild. KarmaSuitsYa

11:16am Fri 29 Mar 13

KarmaSuitsYa says...

Incidently - yes I have had similar experiences with living with noise. I spent 11 months once living opposite a night club in a popular seaside resort. Loud music and shouting till way past 4 in the morning.

I just bought ear plugs to sleep with - worked a treat.
Incidently - yes I have had similar experiences with living with noise. I spent 11 months once living opposite a night club in a popular seaside resort. Loud music and shouting till way past 4 in the morning. I just bought ear plugs to sleep with - worked a treat. KarmaSuitsYa

11:43am Fri 29 Mar 13

lowandhardandinthecorner says...

Absolutely pathetic - the order sounds positively medieval - no hold on, they didn't mind a bit of cussing in olden days, just read your Chaucer.
Drinking ban next, so all the pubs get closed and the puritans and the h&s people get the country they deserve , intolerant and boring.
Absolutely pathetic - the order sounds positively medieval - no hold on, they didn't mind a bit of cussing in olden days, just read your Chaucer. Drinking ban next, so all the pubs get closed and the puritans and the h&s people get the country they deserve , intolerant and boring. lowandhardandinthecorner

12:11pm Fri 29 Mar 13

newportrules says...

Yet another nail in the coffin of pubs! The Red Lion is great pub...let's hope common sense prevails. Incidentally...surel
y the pub was there before any of the local residents so they will have known exactly what they were getting into?
Yet another nail in the coffin of pubs! The Red Lion is great pub...let's hope common sense prevails. Incidentally...surel y the pub was there before any of the local residents so they will have known exactly what they were getting into? newportrules

12:14pm Fri 29 Mar 13

decidedlyindecisive says...

"victory for common sense"

In what way?
"victory for common sense" In what way? decidedlyindecisive

12:19pm Fri 29 Mar 13

brainfreeze says...

Absolute nonsense, they decided to buy a house next to a pub, what did they expect?
Absolute nonsense, they decided to buy a house next to a pub, what did they expect? brainfreeze

12:28pm Fri 29 Mar 13

JENKO1965 says...

they didnt have a beer garden in the 70s when my father run the club just a couple of old stables, the pub is in a awkward place really surrounded by houses, but when these do-gooders finally close the clubs n pubs, then where are the rowdy drinkers going to drink? yup you guessed it on the streets..
they didnt have a beer garden in the 70s when my father run the club just a couple of old stables, the pub is in a awkward place really surrounded by houses, but when these do-gooders finally close the clubs n pubs, then where are the rowdy drinkers going to drink? yup you guessed it on the streets.. JENKO1965

12:33pm Fri 29 Mar 13

ianzemma says...

i work in a pub and it has a beer garden, we close it at 10pm as it backs onto the neighbours, simple gestures help keep the peace.
i work in a pub and it has a beer garden, we close it at 10pm as it backs onto the neighbours, simple gestures help keep the peace. ianzemma

1:21pm Fri 29 Mar 13

mynwyman says...

If I used the beer garden I would complain that I couldn't hear myself swear because of the noise of weeping neighbours...
If I used the beer garden I would complain that I couldn't hear myself swear because of the noise of weeping neighbours... mynwyman

3:22pm Fri 29 Mar 13

Taffyrock says...

So it's nothing to do with the fact that Anglea is a Tory and Newport council is now Labour...??? (Local Politics) It should be questioned how many complaints and was it from the same person? what was the labour leaders name again... lol
So it's nothing to do with the fact that Anglea is a Tory and Newport council is now Labour...??? (Local Politics) It should be questioned how many complaints and was it from the same person? what was the labour leaders name again... lol Taffyrock

6:38pm Fri 29 Mar 13

thomas35 says...

As one who can swear with the best .. I find it sad that people cannot control themselves in the company of others who may consider swearing.. vile, embarrassing and upsetting .. particularly when in company with family members ..particularly ladies ..
The Red lion customers in the past have been known for their banter and good nature with the swearing confined to the bar and amongst themselves ... however it could be that in pursuit of the dreaded dollar the good lady has become misguided and thro her entertainment ventures has invited a different immature clientele into her establishment..who have no regard for others around them thereby bringing a good pub into disrepute.Oh for the good old days !!!when a landlord would sort it out themselves!
As one who can swear with the best .. I find it sad that people cannot control themselves in the company of others who may consider swearing.. vile, embarrassing and upsetting .. particularly when in company with family members ..particularly ladies .. The Red lion customers in the past have been known for their banter and good nature with the swearing confined to the bar and amongst themselves ... however it could be that in pursuit of the dreaded dollar the good lady has become misguided and thro her entertainment ventures has invited a different immature clientele into her establishment..who have no regard for others around them thereby bringing a good pub into disrepute.Oh for the good old days !!!when a landlord would sort it out themselves! thomas35

6:51pm Fri 29 Mar 13

KarmaSuitsYa says...

The landlady is a tory?

I take it all back - make 'em squirm!!
The landlady is a tory? I take it all back - make 'em squirm!! KarmaSuitsYa

1:07pm Sat 30 Mar 13

Mike Roland says...

Speak for yourself Mr Dudley! Most people would define Wales and the national identity of its people rather differently.
Speak for yourself Mr Dudley! Most people would define Wales and the national identity of its people rather differently. Mike Roland

1:09pm Sat 30 Mar 13

Ranger12 says...

It is very sad that people appear to endorse anti social behaviour. It may be that the type of crowd who swear when I want to swear are driving people anyway from pubs generally. Respect for others costs nothing
It is very sad that people appear to endorse anti social behaviour. It may be that the type of crowd who swear when I want to swear are driving people anyway from pubs generally. Respect for others costs nothing Ranger12

12:36am Tue 2 Apr 13

catlady wales says...

Just boot them out and keep your respectable customers there.
Probably some out of village idiots who don't know how to behave. Not your quiet Caerleonites, like us.
Just boot them out and keep your respectable customers there. Probably some out of village idiots who don't know how to behave. Not your quiet Caerleonites, like us. catlady wales

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