Graffiti artist Justin Lewis, AKA Enemie, in court for criminal damage

South Wales Argus: Justin Lewis leaving Cwmbran Magistrates' Court Justin Lewis leaving Cwmbran Magistrates' Court

AN ASPIRING graffiti artist was sentenced to 180 hours of unpaid work after causing hundreds of pounds worth of damage by spray painting buildings in Newport.

Cwmbran Magistrates' Court heard that Justin Lewis, 18, of Clytha Square, was spotted near Granville Street by police on patrol on April 12 holding up a stencil against the wall of Masala Bazaar and spray painting a picture of a woman wearing a gas mask.

Prosecutor Mark Salter said: "The police reported there was no one else in the area, and at that stage officers decided to arrest Lewis."

"There are a number of residential and business areas in Liswerry which have been vandalised with this type of graffiti."

Mr Salter added Lewis often spray painted the word ‘Enemie’ during his graffiti sessions.

Lewis had previously pleaded guilty to two counts of criminal damage. Magistrates heard he has 27 past convictions for 47 offences Defending, Paul Philpott said: "He has received mental health treatment and as part of this he was introduced to art, and was taught to channel negative energy into art.

"It seems to be very beneficial, and he is hoping to go to college to do a course in art later this year.

"It’s not just about graffiti – he is genuinely interested in art. For a young man with his past this interest in art something I hope we can latch on to.

"He was never challenged in the right way. He hung around with people who were bad influences. He was involved in alcohol and taking drugs."

"The signs are. in terms of his early offending behaviour he has moved away from all that. It is stupidness, foolishness and poor decision making skills which have led to these offences."

Chairman of the bench Keith Minton told Lewis that he is "very close to going to prison.

Lewis was given 180 hours of unpaid work, a 12-month community order and told to pay £105 in costs.

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10:09am Mon 27 May 13

Magor says...

I wonder if his 180 hours will be spent clearing up the mess he has made.I doubt it.
I wonder if his 180 hours will be spent clearing up the mess he has made.I doubt it. Magor

10:18am Mon 27 May 13

b3talover says...

If it was signed Banksy, we'd all be hailing it as art. Double standards.
If it was signed Banksy, we'd all be hailing it as art. Double standards. b3talover

10:39am Mon 27 May 13

Mervyn James says...

He would still get community service hopefully.
He would still get community service hopefully. Mervyn James

11:23am Mon 27 May 13

b3talover says...

Mervyn James wrote:
He would still get community service hopefully.
The Banksy artwork "Slave Labour" originally stenciled on the side of a Poundland in Whymark Avenue, London, is worth £450,000. I'm not sure a £105 fine and 180 hours community service would damage Banksy's career. It will damage this young man's career though.

Why a Banksy stencil is considered art whilst this17 year old is given community service is anyone's guess.

Some councils embrace art, whilst other councils don't, I suppose.

http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/22664987
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: He would still get community service hopefully.[/p][/quote]The Banksy artwork "Slave Labour" originally stenciled on the side of a Poundland in Whymark Avenue, London, is worth £450,000. I'm not sure a £105 fine and 180 hours community service would damage Banksy's career. It will damage this young man's career though. Why a Banksy stencil is considered art whilst this17 year old is given community service is anyone's guess. Some councils embrace art, whilst other councils don't, I suppose. http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/22664987 b3talover

11:27am Mon 27 May 13

Katie Re-Registered says...

I've noticed that the authorities seem to crack down heavier on graffiti which has a political message. If I remember rightly some of Enemie's work satirized the church and in a bid to placate a minority of religious extremists this particular government is very touchy when it comes to anything that might be construed as 'blasphemous' - which is often a euphemism for criticism of man-made constructs such as religion.
I've noticed that the authorities seem to crack down heavier on graffiti which has a political message. If I remember rightly some of Enemie's work satirized the church and in a bid to placate a minority of religious extremists this particular government is very touchy when it comes to anything that might be construed as 'blasphemous' - which is often a euphemism for criticism of man-made constructs such as religion. Katie Re-Registered

11:37am Mon 27 May 13

richie55 says...

Only 18 years of age with TWENTY SEVEN previous convictions and the magistrate said he was close to going to prison. Are they waiting untill he gets fifty convictions?
Only 18 years of age with TWENTY SEVEN previous convictions and the magistrate said he was close to going to prison. Are they waiting untill he gets fifty convictions? richie55

11:40am Mon 27 May 13

richie_t75 says...

I'm sure Banksy a) Didn't use stencils and b) Didn't deface another artwork with just his name. If you walk past the chartist mural the word enemie is sprayed on there. Hardly art as I'm no artist but I'm quite capable of writing my name. Good graffiti art is good but defacing property with just your name is neither good or art.
I'm sure Banksy a) Didn't use stencils and b) Didn't deface another artwork with just his name. If you walk past the chartist mural the word enemie is sprayed on there. Hardly art as I'm no artist but I'm quite capable of writing my name. Good graffiti art is good but defacing property with just your name is neither good or art. richie_t75

12:13pm Mon 27 May 13

ljbrown says...

"If it was signed Banksy, we'd all be hailing it as art. Double standards."

The difference is Banksy did it first. This kind of graffiti is so mass produced and similar to Banksy that it makes it pants. Bit more originality would be better!
"If it was signed Banksy, we'd all be hailing it as art. Double standards." The difference is Banksy did it first. This kind of graffiti is so mass produced and similar to Banksy that it makes it pants. Bit more originality would be better! ljbrown

12:17pm Mon 27 May 13

Llanmartinangel says...

If he sprays it on his own property I'm cool with it. Defacing something that isn't his just makes him a vandal.
If he sprays it on his own property I'm cool with it. Defacing something that isn't his just makes him a vandal. Llanmartinangel

1:18pm Mon 27 May 13

b3talover says...

richie_t75 wrote:
I'm sure Banksy a) Didn't use stencils and b) Didn't deface another artwork with just his name. If you walk past the chartist mural the word enemie is sprayed on there. Hardly art as I'm no artist but I'm quite capable of writing my name. Good graffiti art is good but defacing property with just your name is neither good or art.
Of course Banksy uses stencils. As for "defacing" another artwork, read up on the Banksy v King Robbo "war"

http://twistedsifter
.com/2012/01/banksy-
vs-robbo-war-in-pict
ures/

Admittedly, it wasn't with just his name, but you get the point.
[quote][p][bold]richie_t75[/bold] wrote: I'm sure Banksy a) Didn't use stencils and b) Didn't deface another artwork with just his name. If you walk past the chartist mural the word enemie is sprayed on there. Hardly art as I'm no artist but I'm quite capable of writing my name. Good graffiti art is good but defacing property with just your name is neither good or art.[/p][/quote]Of course Banksy uses stencils. As for "defacing" another artwork, read up on the Banksy v King Robbo "war" http://twistedsifter .com/2012/01/banksy- vs-robbo-war-in-pict ures/ Admittedly, it wasn't with just his name, but you get the point. b3talover

1:26pm Mon 27 May 13

b3talover says...

richie_t75 wrote:
I'm sure Banksy a) Didn't use stencils and b) Didn't deface another artwork with just his name. If you walk past the chartist mural the word enemie is sprayed on there. Hardly art as I'm no artist but I'm quite capable of writing my name. Good graffiti art is good but defacing property with just your name is neither good or art.
Totally agree about the chartist mural though. He should clean that off. That mural is a fantastic piece of artwork in its own right. No need to add to it. If he's a "wannabe street artist" he needs to have a bit of class.
[quote][p][bold]richie_t75[/bold] wrote: I'm sure Banksy a) Didn't use stencils and b) Didn't deface another artwork with just his name. If you walk past the chartist mural the word enemie is sprayed on there. Hardly art as I'm no artist but I'm quite capable of writing my name. Good graffiti art is good but defacing property with just your name is neither good or art.[/p][/quote]Totally agree about the chartist mural though. He should clean that off. That mural is a fantastic piece of artwork in its own right. No need to add to it. If he's a "wannabe street artist" he needs to have a bit of class. b3talover

1:55pm Mon 27 May 13

VoiceOfDaPort says...

The Argus say 'Aspiring Graffiti Artist', I say unoriginal mess maker
The Argus say 'Aspiring Graffiti Artist', I say unoriginal mess maker VoiceOfDaPort

2:21pm Mon 27 May 13

Jamma1 says...

For a city that is so close to Bristol it amazes me how clueless the Argus and the people commenting here are about graffiti. People are always so quick to express their ill-informed opinion on this matter. If he was a decent graffiti writer he would not have gone anywhere near that mural, the fact he got caught in such a small space of time also shows how much of a joke he is. Ohh he's channeling his anger into art, he's going to go to college...hahaha. Wow, what an inspiration.
For a city that is so close to Bristol it amazes me how clueless the Argus and the people commenting here are about graffiti. People are always so quick to express their ill-informed opinion on this matter. If he was a decent graffiti writer he would not have gone anywhere near that mural, the fact he got caught in such a small space of time also shows how much of a joke he is. Ohh he's channeling his anger into art, he's going to go to college...hahaha. Wow, what an inspiration. Jamma1

2:24pm Mon 27 May 13

Jamma1 says...

ljbrown wrote:
"If it was signed Banksy, we'd all be hailing it as art. Double standards."

The difference is Banksy did it first. This kind of graffiti is so mass produced and similar to Banksy that it makes it pants. Bit more originality would be better!
Banksy certainly did not do it first.
[quote][p][bold]ljbrown[/bold] wrote: "If it was signed Banksy, we'd all be hailing it as art. Double standards." The difference is Banksy did it first. This kind of graffiti is so mass produced and similar to Banksy that it makes it pants. Bit more originality would be better![/p][/quote]Banksy certainly did not do it first. Jamma1

2:59pm Mon 27 May 13

SASHA.P says...

I have seen young lads like this before some people are blind to it but I personally lost somebody very close who was good enough to be family because the system failed in helping him this kid quiet clearly has had a real crap upbringing hence why he went on the wrong road it could happen top anyone's kids who get in with the wrong people when you are surrounded by people like that its so easy to do the wrong thing but as you get older you wise up and realize there is more to life. I reckon this lad does have a genuine skill in artistry did anyone see his fb page and his drawings? not everything is stencilled he is good at what he does and I think he can get hiself onto the right road by doing so but unfortunately having a criminal record will make that difficult for him butall the more reason to do it for hiself .I do not agree with abusing other peoples properties and yes his community service should be spent cleaning the walls he has damaged and meeting the people who own them and saying sorry and maybe they can explain how hard life really is and how much they have worked hard to achieve what they have maybe that way the kid can learn what respect is he will either take it onboard or he wont and if he doesn't its not because he is set for life its because he is just a kid and sometimes you just don't understand until you do grow up and it happens to you unfortunately my friend didn't get that chance and we lost him because the judge did decide to sentence him for something that could of been prevented I am sure there are worse crimes out there than spraying on peoples walls I am glad the judge made this choice for this young lad to serve community service I have no idea who he is but from what I have read about him he looks like he is screaming for a little attention and help and this is where they can do just that for him now he is having to see them to serve his punishment
I have seen young lads like this before some people are blind to it but I personally lost somebody very close who was good enough to be family because the system failed in helping him this kid quiet clearly has had a real crap upbringing hence why he went on the wrong road it could happen top anyone's kids who get in with the wrong people when you are surrounded by people like that its so easy to do the wrong thing but as you get older you wise up and realize there is more to life. I reckon this lad does have a genuine skill in artistry did anyone see his fb page and his drawings? not everything is stencilled he is good at what he does and I think he can get hiself onto the right road by doing so but unfortunately having a criminal record will make that difficult for him butall the more reason to do it for hiself .I do not agree with abusing other peoples properties and yes his community service should be spent cleaning the walls he has damaged and meeting the people who own them and saying sorry and maybe they can explain how hard life really is and how much they have worked hard to achieve what they have maybe that way the kid can learn what respect is he will either take it onboard or he wont and if he doesn't its not because he is set for life its because he is just a kid and sometimes you just don't understand until you do grow up and it happens to you unfortunately my friend didn't get that chance and we lost him because the judge did decide to sentence him for something that could of been prevented I am sure there are worse crimes out there than spraying on peoples walls I am glad the judge made this choice for this young lad to serve community service I have no idea who he is but from what I have read about him he looks like he is screaming for a little attention and help and this is where they can do just that for him now he is having to see them to serve his punishment SASHA.P

3:36pm Mon 27 May 13

Teacher1977 says...

Jamma1 wrote:
ljbrown wrote:
"If it was signed Banksy, we'd all be hailing it as art. Double standards."

The difference is Banksy did it first. This kind of graffiti is so mass produced and similar to Banksy that it makes it pants. Bit more originality would be better!
Banksy certainly did not do it first.
Try full stops next time.
[quote][p][bold]Jamma1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ljbrown[/bold] wrote: "If it was signed Banksy, we'd all be hailing it as art. Double standards." The difference is Banksy did it first. This kind of graffiti is so mass produced and similar to Banksy that it makes it pants. Bit more originality would be better![/p][/quote]Banksy certainly did not do it first.[/p][/quote]Try full stops next time. Teacher1977

3:37pm Mon 27 May 13

Teacher1977 says...

SASHA.P wrote:
I have seen young lads like this before some people are blind to it but I personally lost somebody very close who was good enough to be family because the system failed in helping him this kid quiet clearly has had a real crap upbringing hence why he went on the wrong road it could happen top anyone's kids who get in with the wrong people when you are surrounded by people like that its so easy to do the wrong thing but as you get older you wise up and realize there is more to life. I reckon this lad does have a genuine skill in artistry did anyone see his fb page and his drawings? not everything is stencilled he is good at what he does and I think he can get hiself onto the right road by doing so but unfortunately having a criminal record will make that difficult for him butall the more reason to do it for hiself .I do not agree with abusing other peoples properties and yes his community service should be spent cleaning the walls he has damaged and meeting the people who own them and saying sorry and maybe they can explain how hard life really is and how much they have worked hard to achieve what they have maybe that way the kid can learn what respect is he will either take it onboard or he wont and if he doesn't its not because he is set for life its because he is just a kid and sometimes you just don't understand until you do grow up and it happens to you unfortunately my friend didn't get that chance and we lost him because the judge did decide to sentence him for something that could of been prevented I am sure there are worse crimes out there than spraying on peoples walls I am glad the judge made this choice for this young lad to serve community service I have no idea who he is but from what I have read about him he looks like he is screaming for a little attention and help and this is where they can do just that for him now he is having to see them to serve his punishment
Try full stops next time.
[quote][p][bold]SASHA.P[/bold] wrote: I have seen young lads like this before some people are blind to it but I personally lost somebody very close who was good enough to be family because the system failed in helping him this kid quiet clearly has had a real crap upbringing hence why he went on the wrong road it could happen top anyone's kids who get in with the wrong people when you are surrounded by people like that its so easy to do the wrong thing but as you get older you wise up and realize there is more to life. I reckon this lad does have a genuine skill in artistry did anyone see his fb page and his drawings? not everything is stencilled he is good at what he does and I think he can get hiself onto the right road by doing so but unfortunately having a criminal record will make that difficult for him butall the more reason to do it for hiself .I do not agree with abusing other peoples properties and yes his community service should be spent cleaning the walls he has damaged and meeting the people who own them and saying sorry and maybe they can explain how hard life really is and how much they have worked hard to achieve what they have maybe that way the kid can learn what respect is he will either take it onboard or he wont and if he doesn't its not because he is set for life its because he is just a kid and sometimes you just don't understand until you do grow up and it happens to you unfortunately my friend didn't get that chance and we lost him because the judge did decide to sentence him for something that could of been prevented I am sure there are worse crimes out there than spraying on peoples walls I am glad the judge made this choice for this young lad to serve community service I have no idea who he is but from what I have read about him he looks like he is screaming for a little attention and help and this is where they can do just that for him now he is having to see them to serve his punishment[/p][/quote]Try full stops next time. Teacher1977

3:42pm Mon 27 May 13

Robodad says...

Sasha, what does " who was good enough to be family" mean? And are you going for some record attempt for the longest sentence ever posted?
Sasha, what does " who was good enough to be family" mean? And are you going for some record attempt for the longest sentence ever posted? Robodad

3:51pm Mon 27 May 13

kalwales@hotmail.com says...

I dont condone what he has done however it just proves how "stupid & inconsistent" Newport Council & Police Are and dont even get me started on teh Justice system" - I bet this arrest was made just so that Gewent Police could hit their quota of arrests for the month ??

Also why do the police and council turn a blind eye to People Pi**ing, Wino's and Smackheads Vomiting, Drinking Cans of super lager and cider & Smashing bottles of Port day in day out and using foul language infront of women and children around the bus station and surrounding areas , each time you ask for answers each of the Pass the Buck

no wonder newport is the state it is with the justice system & council totally clueless and the police well "no comment" is best to say !
I dont condone what he has done however it just proves how "stupid & inconsistent" Newport Council & Police Are and dont even get me started on teh Justice system" - I bet this arrest was made just so that Gewent Police could hit their quota of arrests for the month ?? Also why do the police and council turn a blind eye to People Pi**ing, Wino's and Smackheads Vomiting, Drinking Cans of super lager and cider & Smashing bottles of Port day in day out and using foul language infront of women and children around the bus station and surrounding areas , each time you ask for answers each of the Pass the Buck no wonder newport is the state it is with the justice system & council totally clueless and the police well "no comment" is best to say ! kalwales@hotmail.com

4:27pm Mon 27 May 13

SASHA.P says...

Actually I am rather ill at the moment with a virus so punctuation is the last thing I was focussing on .
What I meant by good enough to be family was I looked upon the young man as almost a half brother of mine as was in a relationship over 15 years ago with his brother I always saw the good side to him he was the sort of young man who would go the extra mile for the people who helped him and were there for him but unfortunately mixed with the wrong people without having the support he needed which led to what happened very heart breaking to say the least .
There is not a lot in the community for people like this to do which is why they do what they do and go on the wrong road but I am not saying all people who behave in this manner are excusable and yes prison is an appropriate place for some but graffiti I think is a minor offence in comparison to half the bad things that go on in Newport.
Actually I am rather ill at the moment with a virus so punctuation is the last thing I was focussing on . What I meant by good enough to be family was I looked upon the young man as almost a half brother of mine as was in a relationship over 15 years ago with his brother I always saw the good side to him he was the sort of young man who would go the extra mile for the people who helped him and were there for him but unfortunately mixed with the wrong people without having the support he needed which led to what happened very heart breaking to say the least . There is not a lot in the community for people like this to do which is why they do what they do and go on the wrong road but I am not saying all people who behave in this manner are excusable and yes prison is an appropriate place for some but graffiti I think is a minor offence in comparison to half the bad things that go on in Newport. SASHA.P

4:54pm Mon 27 May 13

SASHA.P says...

Saying that above to be honest I do not really bother with punctuation as much as I should so it's not just due to feeling rather ill right now. Teacher I need teaching lol .
Saying that above to be honest I do not really bother with punctuation as much as I should so it's not just due to feeling rather ill right now. Teacher I need teaching lol . SASHA.P

8:31pm Mon 27 May 13

kalwales@hotmail.com says...

the Police probably though "easy conviction" so thats why they pursued it through the courts but not for justice reason . . the reason is their arrest and conviction rates would increase so no wonder nobody has faith in the police !
the Police probably though "easy conviction" so thats why they pursued it through the courts but not for justice reason . . the reason is their arrest and conviction rates would increase so no wonder nobody has faith in the police ! kalwales@hotmail.com

9:38pm Mon 27 May 13

Pied de fur says...

Just think how much time and money could have been saved if they had given him a brush and some white paint to undo his handywork.
Just think how much time and money could have been saved if they had given him a brush and some white paint to undo his handywork. Pied de fur

11:51pm Mon 27 May 13

enemie says...

hates it when someone else paints my tag on the side of a wall. if he did go to jail its his own folt ...just be your self don't try living in someone else's shoes .... because the likeliness is that they wont fit.
-enemie-
hates it when someone else paints my tag on the side of a wall. if he did go to jail its his own folt ...just be your self don't try living in someone else's shoes .... because the likeliness is that they wont fit. -enemie- enemie

12:21am Tue 28 May 13

Lliswerry Man says...

kalwales@hotmail.com wrote:
I dont condone what he has done however it just proves how "stupid & inconsistent" Newport Council & Police Are and dont even get me started on teh Justice system" - I bet this arrest was made just so that Gewent Police could hit their quota of arrests for the month ??

Also why do the police and council turn a blind eye to People Pi**ing, Wino's and Smackheads Vomiting, Drinking Cans of super lager and cider & Smashing bottles of Port day in day out and using foul language infront of women and children around the bus station and surrounding areas , each time you ask for answers each of the Pass the Buck

no wonder newport is the state it is with the justice system & council totally clueless and the police well "no comment" is best to say !
Very well said, lots of crime happens right under the noses of the Police and Council Officials and they turn a blind eye.... Graffiti has been going on for decades in Newport and probably will for decades more, when half of the dimwits on here will be long gone with their one sided blinkered viewpoints.

And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, “Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her, or him as is the case in this story.
[quote][p][bold]kalwales@hotmail.com[/bold] wrote: I dont condone what he has done however it just proves how "stupid & inconsistent" Newport Council & Police Are and dont even get me started on teh Justice system" - I bet this arrest was made just so that Gewent Police could hit their quota of arrests for the month ?? Also why do the police and council turn a blind eye to People Pi**ing, Wino's and Smackheads Vomiting, Drinking Cans of super lager and cider & Smashing bottles of Port day in day out and using foul language infront of women and children around the bus station and surrounding areas , each time you ask for answers each of the Pass the Buck no wonder newport is the state it is with the justice system & council totally clueless and the police well "no comment" is best to say ![/p][/quote]Very well said, lots of crime happens right under the noses of the Police and Council Officials and they turn a blind eye.... Graffiti has been going on for decades in Newport and probably will for decades more, when half of the dimwits on here will be long gone with their one sided blinkered viewpoints. And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, “Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her, or him as is the case in this story. Lliswerry Man

4:42pm Tue 28 May 13

SASHA.P says...

enemie wrote:
hates it when someone else paints my tag on the side of a wall. if he did go to jail its his own folt ...just be your self don't try living in someone else's shoes .... because the likeliness is that they wont fit.
-enemie-
Lol Enemie if I was your mother I would clip you around the ear listen if this really is you then you know damaging other peoples property is wrong so dont do it its simple find your own stuff to paint on but listen again

I read an article online just yesterday now you can tell me to go do one or whatever but look it up and try for it there was somthing to do with the princess trust funding to help train etc start your own business http://www.princes-t
rust.org.uk/need_hel
p/grants.aspx..I hope this is of some help to you ,now go do somthing positive with your life your only likely to get a load of ear ache on here just as I did above for not using full stops .Good luck kid hope things sort theirselfs out for you
[quote][p][bold]enemie[/bold] wrote: hates it when someone else paints my tag on the side of a wall. if he did go to jail its his own folt ...just be your self don't try living in someone else's shoes .... because the likeliness is that they wont fit. -enemie-[/p][/quote]Lol Enemie if I was your mother I would clip you around the ear listen if this really is you then you know damaging other peoples property is wrong so dont do it its simple find your own stuff to paint on but listen again I read an article online just yesterday now you can tell me to go do one or whatever but look it up and try for it there was somthing to do with the princess trust funding to help train etc start your own business http://www.princes-t rust.org.uk/need_hel p/grants.aspx..I hope this is of some help to you ,now go do somthing positive with your life your only likely to get a load of ear ache on here just as I did above for not using full stops .Good luck kid hope things sort theirselfs out for you SASHA.P

6:08pm Tue 28 May 13

Mervyn James says...

The one photo they put up of his 'Art' looked like the inane scribblings of an 5 yr old... it's just vandalism. (Same people who think an unmade bed that is peed upon is high art...)
The one photo they put up of his 'Art' looked like the inane scribblings of an 5 yr old... it's just vandalism. (Same people who think an unmade bed that is peed upon is high art...) Mervyn James

8:00pm Tue 28 May 13

Limestonecowboy says...

kalwales@hotmail.com wrote:
the Police probably though "easy conviction" so thats why they pursued it through the courts but not for justice reason . . the reason is their arrest and conviction rates would increase so no wonder nobody has faith in the police !
Perhaps you might like to put your property up for a bit of 'aspiration' sure we could all turn a blind eye!
[quote][p][bold]kalwales@hotmail.com[/bold] wrote: the Police probably though "easy conviction" so thats why they pursued it through the courts but not for justice reason . . the reason is their arrest and conviction rates would increase so no wonder nobody has faith in the police ![/p][/quote]Perhaps you might like to put your property up for a bit of 'aspiration' sure we could all turn a blind eye! Limestonecowboy

11:24am Thu 30 May 13

let em swing says...

A thought provoking mural on that nice new clean canvass probation office would be a real achievement, go on, i dare you.
A thought provoking mural on that nice new clean canvass probation office would be a real achievement, go on, i dare you. let em swing

5:29pm Thu 30 May 13

Gareth says...

let em swing wrote:
A thought provoking mural on that nice new clean canvass probation office would be a real achievement, go on, i dare you.
I'm really interested in the thought process that leads someone to think it's a good idea to use the local paper's website to incite someone to commit a crime. Genius.
[quote][p][bold]let em swing[/bold] wrote: A thought provoking mural on that nice new clean canvass probation office would be a real achievement, go on, i dare you.[/p][/quote]I'm really interested in the thought process that leads someone to think it's a good idea to use the local paper's website to incite someone to commit a crime. Genius. Gareth

5:57pm Thu 30 May 13

let em swing says...

Gareth wrote:
let em swing wrote:
A thought provoking mural on that nice new clean canvass probation office would be a real achievement, go on, i dare you.
I'm really interested in the thought process that leads someone to think it's a good idea to use the local paper's website to incite someone to commit a crime. Genius.
It would be interesting if the probation service would see it as art as they are the ones asked to deal with youngsters like this and help them move forward and express themselves, would they embrace it or denounce it, easy really.
[quote][p][bold]Gareth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]let em swing[/bold] wrote: A thought provoking mural on that nice new clean canvass probation office would be a real achievement, go on, i dare you.[/p][/quote]I'm really interested in the thought process that leads someone to think it's a good idea to use the local paper's website to incite someone to commit a crime. Genius.[/p][/quote]It would be interesting if the probation service would see it as art as they are the ones asked to deal with youngsters like this and help them move forward and express themselves, would they embrace it or denounce it, easy really. let em swing

5:57pm Thu 30 May 13

let em swing says...

Gareth wrote:
let em swing wrote:
A thought provoking mural on that nice new clean canvass probation office would be a real achievement, go on, i dare you.
I'm really interested in the thought process that leads someone to think it's a good idea to use the local paper's website to incite someone to commit a crime. Genius.
It would be interesting if the probation service would see it as art as they are the ones asked to deal with youngsters like this and help them move forward and express themselves, would they embrace it or denounce it, easy really.
[quote][p][bold]Gareth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]let em swing[/bold] wrote: A thought provoking mural on that nice new clean canvass probation office would be a real achievement, go on, i dare you.[/p][/quote]I'm really interested in the thought process that leads someone to think it's a good idea to use the local paper's website to incite someone to commit a crime. Genius.[/p][/quote]It would be interesting if the probation service would see it as art as they are the ones asked to deal with youngsters like this and help them move forward and express themselves, would they embrace it or denounce it, easy really. let em swing

6:07pm Thu 30 May 13

welshmen says...

Perhaps when he's finished studying Art at College, the City Council could give him a few hundred gallons of paint and he could help paint these concrete structures this City seems on promoting, he might smarten up the old place....
Perhaps when he's finished studying Art at College, the City Council could give him a few hundred gallons of paint and he could help paint these concrete structures this City seems on promoting, he might smarten up the old place.... welshmen

10:54am Fri 31 May 13

Mervyn James says...

let em swing wrote:
Gareth wrote:
let em swing wrote:
A thought provoking mural on that nice new clean canvass probation office would be a real achievement, go on, i dare you.
I'm really interested in the thought process that leads someone to think it's a good idea to use the local paper's website to incite someone to commit a crime. Genius.
It would be interesting if the probation service would see it as art as they are the ones asked to deal with youngsters like this and help them move forward and express themselves, would they embrace it or denounce it, easy really.
Does free expression have to include vandalism ? Discuss.....
[quote][p][bold]let em swing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gareth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]let em swing[/bold] wrote: A thought provoking mural on that nice new clean canvass probation office would be a real achievement, go on, i dare you.[/p][/quote]I'm really interested in the thought process that leads someone to think it's a good idea to use the local paper's website to incite someone to commit a crime. Genius.[/p][/quote]It would be interesting if the probation service would see it as art as they are the ones asked to deal with youngsters like this and help them move forward and express themselves, would they embrace it or denounce it, easy really.[/p][/quote]Does free expression have to include vandalism ? Discuss..... Mervyn James

11:04am Fri 31 May 13

GogExile says...

If I'm genuinely interested in motor racing, would I gain platitudes for stealing cars?
If I'm genuinely interested in motor racing, would I gain platitudes for stealing cars? GogExile

11:28am Fri 31 May 13

Gareth says...

Mervyn James wrote:
let em swing wrote:
Gareth wrote:
let em swing wrote:
A thought provoking mural on that nice new clean canvass probation office would be a real achievement, go on, i dare you.
I'm really interested in the thought process that leads someone to think it's a good idea to use the local paper's website to incite someone to commit a crime. Genius.
It would be interesting if the probation service would see it as art as they are the ones asked to deal with youngsters like this and help them move forward and express themselves, would they embrace it or denounce it, easy really.
Does free expression have to include vandalism ? Discuss.....
Of course not, but it's a redundant question really, as it is solely a matter of location:

People are free to do what they want - express themselves, vandalise, play cards, wear pink shoes, whatever - on their own property, so long as it doesn't interfere with someone else's legal rights (loud music at 4am, punching a visitor in the face etc).

Once you come to communal property, then you are still free to express yourself, but it is limited to those things acceptable to all (and managed by those people we elect to manage this property on our behalf.) And as a group, we do not allow individuals to make unilateral changes to our communal property - this includes painting over it!

And when it comes to others' private property, then your right to access or free expression is solely dictated by the owner.
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]let em swing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gareth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]let em swing[/bold] wrote: A thought provoking mural on that nice new clean canvass probation office would be a real achievement, go on, i dare you.[/p][/quote]I'm really interested in the thought process that leads someone to think it's a good idea to use the local paper's website to incite someone to commit a crime. Genius.[/p][/quote]It would be interesting if the probation service would see it as art as they are the ones asked to deal with youngsters like this and help them move forward and express themselves, would they embrace it or denounce it, easy really.[/p][/quote]Does free expression have to include vandalism ? Discuss.....[/p][/quote]Of course not, but it's a redundant question really, as it is solely a matter of location: People are free to do what they want - express themselves, vandalise, play cards, wear pink shoes, whatever - on their own property, so long as it doesn't interfere with someone else's legal rights (loud music at 4am, punching a visitor in the face etc). Once you come to communal property, then you are still free to express yourself, but it is limited to those things acceptable to all (and managed by those people we elect to manage this property on our behalf.) And as a group, we do not allow individuals to make unilateral changes to our communal property - this includes painting over it! And when it comes to others' private property, then your right to access or free expression is solely dictated by the owner. Gareth

7:42am Sun 2 Jun 13

kalwales@hotmail.com says...

Limestonecowboy wrote:
kalwales@hotmail.com wrote: the Police probably though "easy conviction" so thats why they pursued it through the courts but not for justice reason . . the reason is their arrest and conviction rates would increase so no wonder nobody has faith in the police !
Perhaps you might like to put your property up for a bit of 'aspiration' sure we could all turn a blind eye!
Can somebody turn off that record player for me :-)
[quote][p][bold]Limestonecowboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kalwales@hotmail.com[/bold] wrote: the Police probably though "easy conviction" so thats why they pursued it through the courts but not for justice reason . . the reason is their arrest and conviction rates would increase so no wonder nobody has faith in the police ![/p][/quote]Perhaps you might like to put your property up for a bit of 'aspiration' sure we could all turn a blind eye![/p][/quote]Can somebody turn off that record player for me :-) kalwales@hotmail.com

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