Council blunder puts wrong Welsh on Newport roadsign

South Wales Argus: ROADSIGN WRONG: Idris Charles of Malpas with the mistranslated sign ROADSIGN WRONG: Idris Charles of Malpas with the mistranslated sign

A COUNCIL blunder led to a roadsign warning coaches from driving through a small road being translated to a ban on sports coaches rather than the four-wheeled variety.

Idris Charles, of Malpas, spotted the incorrect translation from English to Welsh on a sign on Malpas Road that reads: "No access to coaches".

The Welsh translation - Dim mynediad ar gyfer Hyfforddwyr - uses the form of coaches in a sporting context instead of referring to vehicles.

The council identified the mistake, but instead of replacing the word "hyfforddwyr", it was changed into its correct spelling after the initial word was spelt incorrectly.

The council have apologised for the incident.

Mr Charles said: "It appears that the laziness in our modern age of relying on the internet to answer all of our questions is the cause. It's a disgrace that they've got this wrong.

"The height of laziness and disrespect for the Welsh language demonstrated in one simple sign is unbelievable, and an insult to the thousands of children learning the language and undermines the hard work of their teachers.

"People already think that spending money on Welsh signs is costly but it wouldn't need to be if they got it right the first time round.

"The council should be brought to task on this matter."

A spokesman for Newport council said: "Newport City Council would like to apologise for the mistake on this temporary sign which was put in place following an urgent request.

"It was designed to deter coaches (the vehicles) from using a residential street as a pick up and drop off point, predominantly for those using nearby sports grounds."

"We acknowledge the wrong word was used in the Welsh version and this will be rectified in the permanent sign but hope that the message has still helped to alleviate a problem which was causing a nuisance to local residents."

More Welsh wrongs

The latest Welsh translation blunder comes after insurance company Admiral apologised to a customer who was told every conversation had to be recorded in English.

Gwion Schiavone has since taken his complaint to Welsh language commissioner Meri Huws.

An Admiral spokeswoman said: "A customer was told in error that all calls must be conducted in English and we were unable to talk to him in Welsh but this is not the case."

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7:11am Thu 18 Jul 13

scraptheWAG says...

what utter nonsense. does this backward council really think that residents in Newport (no better now than a few run down empty buildings alonmg side of the m4) really care about welsh language signs.
what utter nonsense. does this backward council really think that residents in Newport (no better now than a few run down empty buildings alonmg side of the m4) really care about welsh language signs. scraptheWAG

7:20am Thu 18 Jul 13

emmaw86 says...

Slightly off topic but isn't the Welsh wording on the signs welcoming people to Chepstow wrong as well? Baffling that something so simple cannot be right in the first place.
Slightly off topic but isn't the Welsh wording on the signs welcoming people to Chepstow wrong as well? Baffling that something so simple cannot be right in the first place. emmaw86

7:30am Thu 18 Jul 13

scraptheWAG says...

not baffling ten years of living in newport and NEVER heard it spoke once what a waste of money
not baffling ten years of living in newport and NEVER heard it spoke once what a waste of money scraptheWAG

7:36am Thu 18 Jul 13

scraptheWAG says...

An Admiral spokeswoman said: "A customer was told in error that all calls must be conducted in English and we were unable to talk to him in Welsh but this is not the case."

-- its no wonder these companies need huge levels of grants to come to wales and then leg it back across the bridge when the grant runs out with stupidity like this.
An Admiral spokeswoman said: "A customer was told in error that all calls must be conducted in English and we were unable to talk to him in Welsh but this is not the case." -- its no wonder these companies need huge levels of grants to come to wales and then leg it back across the bridge when the grant runs out with stupidity like this. scraptheWAG

7:54am Thu 18 Jul 13

mep says...

I'm amazed anyone in Newport would recognise a mistake in Welsh may as well put it in Chinese! What a waste of money if the council and WAG want to make savings then they should start with this nonsense.
I'm amazed anyone in Newport would recognise a mistake in Welsh may as well put it in Chinese! What a waste of money if the council and WAG want to make savings then they should start with this nonsense. mep

8:20am Thu 18 Jul 13

TK355 says...

In other news, my paint is nearly dry.
In other news, my paint is nearly dry. TK355

8:39am Thu 18 Jul 13

Tyburn Gallows says...

Taking into account the above comments that few people in Newport can apparently speak a word of Welsh, hundreds of thousands of pounds have been wasted putting up road and street signs both in Welsh and English in the city over the years.
Taking into account the above comments that few people in Newport can apparently speak a word of Welsh, hundreds of thousands of pounds have been wasted putting up road and street signs both in Welsh and English in the city over the years. Tyburn Gallows

8:44am Thu 18 Jul 13

Llanmartinangel says...

The phoney 'offence' being taken by Idris Charles is bordering on the comedic. Next time you're on the Internet, google the phrase 'get a life'.
The phoney 'offence' being taken by Idris Charles is bordering on the comedic. Next time you're on the Internet, google the phrase 'get a life'. Llanmartinangel

9:39am Thu 18 Jul 13

JoJoJoJo says...

Instead of spending money changing the sign leave it as it is and give the money to Idris. He could use it to buy himself a life.

There's far more people in Newport that can't read Welsh than those who can. So I doubt anyone will notice or care. Perhaps the Argus should do a report on why signs that are so important they need to be translated into a language that is not used in Newport are not in other languages. Can't see a Polish, Albanian, Arabic or Farsi sign anywhere on Malpas Road.
Instead of spending money changing the sign leave it as it is and give the money to Idris. He could use it to buy himself a life. There's far more people in Newport that can't read Welsh than those who can. So I doubt anyone will notice or care. Perhaps the Argus should do a report on why signs that are so important they need to be translated into a language that is not used in Newport are not in other languages. Can't see a Polish, Albanian, Arabic or Farsi sign anywhere on Malpas Road. JoJoJoJo

10:08am Thu 18 Jul 13

Owain Vaughan says...

"People already think that spending money on Welsh signs is costly" -- Because it is! What is the benefit/cost ratio of this policy?

I can think of a set of signs on the SDR that have had the wrong translation on them since 2004 (because it is different on adjacent signs) but NOBODY CARES! It is a total waste of money making these cluttered signs in the first place.
"People already think that spending money on Welsh signs is costly" -- Because it is! What is the benefit/cost ratio of this policy? I can think of a set of signs on the SDR that have had the wrong translation on them since 2004 (because it is different on adjacent signs) but NOBODY CARES! It is a total waste of money making these cluttered signs in the first place. Owain Vaughan

10:20am Thu 18 Jul 13

Romulus says...

Their English spelling leaves something to be desired too. I recently had a letter from a head of department that had spelling mistakes and grammatical errors that shouldn't be acceptable for a ten year old.
Their English spelling leaves something to be desired too. I recently had a letter from a head of department that had spelling mistakes and grammatical errors that shouldn't be acceptable for a ten year old. Romulus

10:25am Thu 18 Jul 13

Stevenboy says...

It is somewhat amusing that the Argus is carrying a story about child poverty in Wales and these politically inept numpties who think anyone bar a few crusties care about their dead language signs, and associated cost, can't join the dots. No wonder Wales is a laughing stock.
It is somewhat amusing that the Argus is carrying a story about child poverty in Wales and these politically inept numpties who think anyone bar a few crusties care about their dead language signs, and associated cost, can't join the dots. No wonder Wales is a laughing stock. Stevenboy

10:28am Thu 18 Jul 13

Gareth says...

scraptheWAG wrote:
An Admiral spokeswoman said: "A customer was told in error that all calls must be conducted in English and we were unable to talk to him in Welsh but this is not the case."

-- its no wonder these companies need huge levels of grants to come to wales and then leg it back across the bridge when the grant runs out with stupidity like this.
I would have though someone as well versed in Welsh corpo-political culture as yourself would know that Admiral is, arguably, the most famous home-grown corporate success story we have in this nation.

They haven't come from England, have no plans to relocate to England, employ and look after thousands of people across south Wales, are one of the UK's leading employers, and give away an absolute fortune of money to the community.

I guess my point is: if you're going to give such a glib one-liner about companies coming from England, taking funding, then relocating to England, then might I suggest that you use, as an example of this, a company that has actually come from England, has taken funding, and then relocated back to England.

Just a thought, eh.
[quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: An Admiral spokeswoman said: "A customer was told in error that all calls must be conducted in English and we were unable to talk to him in Welsh but this is not the case." -- its no wonder these companies need huge levels of grants to come to wales and then leg it back across the bridge when the grant runs out with stupidity like this.[/p][/quote]I would have though someone as well versed in Welsh corpo-political culture as yourself would know that Admiral is, arguably, the most famous home-grown corporate success story we have in this nation. They haven't come from England, have no plans to relocate to England, employ and look after thousands of people across south Wales, are one of the UK's leading employers, and give away an absolute fortune of money to the community. I guess my point is: if you're going to give such a glib one-liner about companies coming from England, taking funding, then relocating to England, then might I suggest that you use, as an example of this, a company that has actually come from England, has taken funding, and then relocated back to England. Just a thought, eh. Gareth

10:36am Thu 18 Jul 13

swnpayne says...

terrible news wont sleep tonight i suppose they want it mentioned in pm question time hot news
terrible news wont sleep tonight i suppose they want it mentioned in pm question time hot news swnpayne

10:47am Thu 18 Jul 13

white white says...

JoJoJoJo wrote:
Instead of spending money changing the sign leave it as it is and give the money to Idris. He could use it to buy himself a life.

There's far more people in Newport that can't read Welsh than those who can. So I doubt anyone will notice or care. Perhaps the Argus should do a report on why signs that are so important they need to be translated into a language that is not used in Newport are not in other languages. Can't see a Polish, Albanian, Arabic or Farsi sign anywhere on Malpas Road.
Bor da
The reason that you don't
See polish.Albanian.Arab
ic
Or Farsi road signs is quite
Simple ..those languages are not
The official languages of Britain
Welsh is and so is English.the
Welsh language is one of the oldest
In the world and respected it's
Also spoken in Patagonia one of
The early space probes has a disc on
It which include languages from
Around the world including welsh.
People should take a bit of pride from
Where they come from rather than
Belittling it .better still try learning
It , it's not that hard
Diolch
[quote][p][bold]JoJoJoJo[/bold] wrote: Instead of spending money changing the sign leave it as it is and give the money to Idris. He could use it to buy himself a life. There's far more people in Newport that can't read Welsh than those who can. So I doubt anyone will notice or care. Perhaps the Argus should do a report on why signs that are so important they need to be translated into a language that is not used in Newport are not in other languages. Can't see a Polish, Albanian, Arabic or Farsi sign anywhere on Malpas Road.[/p][/quote]Bor da The reason that you don't See polish.Albanian.Arab ic Or Farsi road signs is quite Simple ..those languages are not The official languages of Britain Welsh is and so is English.the Welsh language is one of the oldest In the world and respected it's Also spoken in Patagonia one of The early space probes has a disc on It which include languages from Around the world including welsh. People should take a bit of pride from Where they come from rather than Belittling it .better still try learning It , it's not that hard Diolch white white

11:01am Thu 18 Jul 13

Llanmartinangel says...

white white wrote:
JoJoJoJo wrote:
Instead of spending money changing the sign leave it as it is and give the money to Idris. He could use it to buy himself a life.

There's far more people in Newport that can't read Welsh than those who can. So I doubt anyone will notice or care. Perhaps the Argus should do a report on why signs that are so important they need to be translated into a language that is not used in Newport are not in other languages. Can't see a Polish, Albanian, Arabic or Farsi sign anywhere on Malpas Road.
Bor da
The reason that you don't
See polish.Albanian.Arab

ic
Or Farsi road signs is quite
Simple ..those languages are not
The official languages of Britain
Welsh is and so is English.the
Welsh language is one of the oldest
In the world and respected it's
Also spoken in Patagonia one of
The early space probes has a disc on
It which include languages from
Around the world including welsh.
People should take a bit of pride from
Where they come from rather than
Belittling it .better still try learning
It , it's not that hard
Diolch
I don't think anyone has an issue with people taking a pride in it, it's the amount being spent on it that raises hackles. Especially when you don't have to look very far to see what a bankrupt place Wales actually is.
[quote][p][bold]white white[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JoJoJoJo[/bold] wrote: Instead of spending money changing the sign leave it as it is and give the money to Idris. He could use it to buy himself a life. There's far more people in Newport that can't read Welsh than those who can. So I doubt anyone will notice or care. Perhaps the Argus should do a report on why signs that are so important they need to be translated into a language that is not used in Newport are not in other languages. Can't see a Polish, Albanian, Arabic or Farsi sign anywhere on Malpas Road.[/p][/quote]Bor da The reason that you don't See polish.Albanian.Arab ic Or Farsi road signs is quite Simple ..those languages are not The official languages of Britain Welsh is and so is English.the Welsh language is one of the oldest In the world and respected it's Also spoken in Patagonia one of The early space probes has a disc on It which include languages from Around the world including welsh. People should take a bit of pride from Where they come from rather than Belittling it .better still try learning It , it's not that hard Diolch[/p][/quote]I don't think anyone has an issue with people taking a pride in it, it's the amount being spent on it that raises hackles. Especially when you don't have to look very far to see what a bankrupt place Wales actually is. Llanmartinangel

11:39am Thu 18 Jul 13

WELSH BUDDAH says...

white white wrote:
JoJoJoJo wrote:
Instead of spending money changing the sign leave it as it is and give the money to Idris. He could use it to buy himself a life.

There's far more people in Newport that can't read Welsh than those who can. So I doubt anyone will notice or care. Perhaps the Argus should do a report on why signs that are so important they need to be translated into a language that is not used in Newport are not in other languages. Can't see a Polish, Albanian, Arabic or Farsi sign anywhere on Malpas Road.
Bor da
The reason that you don't
See polish.Albanian.Arab

ic
Or Farsi road signs is quite
Simple ..those languages are not
The official languages of Britain
Welsh is and so is English.the
Welsh language is one of the oldest
In the world and respected it's
Also spoken in Patagonia one of
The early space probes has a disc on
It which include languages from
Around the world including welsh.
People should take a bit of pride from
Where they come from rather than
Belittling it .better still try learning
It , it's not that hard
Diolch
Money is wasted in all aspects of the WAG and UK Government so why slate your own language shocking. If you go anywhere in the world they all speck there own/native language but in Wales people don't even try to learn or speck it. If you look at scientific evidence it shows be bilingualism can help with other subjects and make you more intelligent. That's why there are so many ignorant or rude maybe not the brightest of comments above. People should take a bit of pride from where they come from rather than Belittling it. The local councils need to sort this problem out of translations not being correct as it happens a lot on Welsh signs
Diolch yn fawr iawn
[quote][p][bold]white white[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JoJoJoJo[/bold] wrote: Instead of spending money changing the sign leave it as it is and give the money to Idris. He could use it to buy himself a life. There's far more people in Newport that can't read Welsh than those who can. So I doubt anyone will notice or care. Perhaps the Argus should do a report on why signs that are so important they need to be translated into a language that is not used in Newport are not in other languages. Can't see a Polish, Albanian, Arabic or Farsi sign anywhere on Malpas Road.[/p][/quote]Bor da The reason that you don't See polish.Albanian.Arab ic Or Farsi road signs is quite Simple ..those languages are not The official languages of Britain Welsh is and so is English.the Welsh language is one of the oldest In the world and respected it's Also spoken in Patagonia one of The early space probes has a disc on It which include languages from Around the world including welsh. People should take a bit of pride from Where they come from rather than Belittling it .better still try learning It , it's not that hard Diolch[/p][/quote]Money is wasted in all aspects of the WAG and UK Government so why slate your own language shocking. If you go anywhere in the world they all speck there own/native language but in Wales people don't even try to learn or speck it. If you look at scientific evidence it shows be bilingualism can help with other subjects and make you more intelligent. That's why there are so many ignorant or rude maybe not the brightest of comments above. People should take a bit of pride from where they come from rather than Belittling it. The local councils need to sort this problem out of translations not being correct as it happens a lot on Welsh signs Diolch yn fawr iawn WELSH BUDDAH

12:17pm Thu 18 Jul 13

ngtarr says...

translation errors are the 'occupational hazard' for road signs. even though rare, translation errors occur. Cardiff council had a road sign saying 'look right in English and the welsh said 'edrych i'r chwirth' . another error sign in Cardiff where a sign telling cyclist to dismount said in welsh 'inflamed bladder upset'! city and county of Swansea council made a bilingual sign to ban HGVs accessing roads near morriston. the welsh was an automated reply in welsh saying that they were not available. maybe the council, and by extention the uk government use the Vienna convention of road signs, which avoids using words by using symbols instead. would mean that tourists who do not understand either English or welsh know what the signs mean.
translation errors are the 'occupational hazard' for road signs. even though rare, translation errors occur. Cardiff council had a road sign saying 'look right in English and the welsh said 'edrych i'r chwirth' [look left]. another error sign in Cardiff where a sign telling cyclist to dismount said in welsh 'inflamed bladder upset'! city and county of Swansea council made a bilingual sign to ban HGVs accessing roads near morriston. the welsh was an automated reply in welsh saying that they were not available. maybe the council, and by extention the uk government use the Vienna convention of road signs, which avoids using words by using symbols instead. would mean that tourists who do not understand either English or welsh know what the signs mean. ngtarr

12:18pm Thu 18 Jul 13

jd1234 says...

What a waste of money at a time when GB (as in OUR Olympic team!) is in fiscal chaos. Why is Welsh being forced upon people by the Taffia in the Bay? How much have they cost the people of Wales since 1997? You will not force me to learn Welsh. However, forcing the school children is a disgrace. Choice is a different matter, however. Force equals dictatorship.
What a waste of money at a time when GB (as in OUR Olympic team!) is in fiscal chaos. Why is Welsh being forced upon people by the Taffia in the Bay? How much have they cost the people of Wales since 1997? You will not force me to learn Welsh. However, forcing the school children is a disgrace. Choice is a different matter, however. Force equals dictatorship. jd1234

12:19pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Owain Vaughan says...

You do not seem to understand that for people who speak English natively, Welsh is NOT "their own/native" language. It is just another language of many that they do not speak. No more, no less.
You do not seem to understand that for people who speak English natively, Welsh is NOT "their own/native" language. It is just another language of many that they do not speak. No more, no less. Owain Vaughan

12:34pm Thu 18 Jul 13

DDDog1 says...

Nothing to see here,move on
Nothing to see here,move on DDDog1

12:35pm Thu 18 Jul 13

DDDog1 says...

Would be more use if they changed it from Welsh to Polish
Would be more use if they changed it from Welsh to Polish DDDog1

12:35pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Jazztap says...

The Welsh language isn't spoken in Newport. Hardly at all in Cardiff. And not at all in Chepstow. Nor hardly anywhere nearby. It is realistic to have sympathy with the suggestion of road signs in, perhaps, Polish, Chinese, Urdu, etc , because of the large numbers who do speak & read these languages. Just keep Welsh Language signs for areas where the Welsh language is common - But we all know that they will still be unnecessary., don't we ? .
The Welsh language isn't spoken in Newport. Hardly at all in Cardiff. And not at all in Chepstow. Nor hardly anywhere nearby. It is realistic to have sympathy with the suggestion of road signs in, perhaps, Polish, Chinese, Urdu, etc , because of the large numbers who do speak & read these languages. Just keep Welsh Language signs for areas where the Welsh language is common - But we all know that they will still be unnecessary., don't we ? . Jazztap

12:38pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Jazztap says...

" Welsh Language Commissioner Meri Huws " ??? What sort of truly living language in everyday use needs a bloomin' " Language Commissioner ".

And how, we taxpayers want to know, was she ever chosen and appointed ? And at what pay ? Answers please !
" Welsh Language Commissioner Meri Huws " ??? What sort of truly living language in everyday use needs a bloomin' " Language Commissioner ". And how, we taxpayers want to know, was she ever chosen and appointed ? And at what pay ? Answers please ! Jazztap

12:57pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Llanmartinangel says...

Jazztap wrote:
" Welsh Language Commissioner Meri Huws " ??? What sort of truly living language in everyday use needs a bloomin' " Language Commissioner ".

And how, we taxpayers want to know, was she ever chosen and appointed ? And at what pay ? Answers please !
Great post
[quote][p][bold]Jazztap[/bold] wrote: " Welsh Language Commissioner Meri Huws " ??? What sort of truly living language in everyday use needs a bloomin' " Language Commissioner ". And how, we taxpayers want to know, was she ever chosen and appointed ? And at what pay ? Answers please ![/p][/quote]Great post Llanmartinangel

12:58pm Thu 18 Jul 13

jd1234 says...

Well said! That's the problem with these Taffia types- I didn't vote for it in 1997, a bit like the citizens of Cardiff!! They wield power and influence but are unaccountable. Load of Gogs! Again, there should be a choice to learn Welsh, but NOT compulsion by the dictatorial WAG in the Bay!
Well said! That's the problem with these Taffia types- I didn't vote for it in 1997, a bit like the citizens of Cardiff!! They wield power and influence but are unaccountable. Load of Gogs! Again, there should be a choice to learn Welsh, but NOT compulsion by the dictatorial WAG in the Bay! jd1234

1:03pm Thu 18 Jul 13

county mad says...

What a load of bothlocks
What a load of bothlocks county mad

1:16pm Thu 18 Jul 13

countyjim says...

Owain Vaughan wrote:
"People already think that spending money on Welsh signs is costly" -- Because it is! What is the benefit/cost ratio of this policy?

I can think of a set of signs on the SDR that have had the wrong translation on them since 2004 (because it is different on adjacent signs) but NOBODY CARES! It is a total waste of money making these cluttered signs in the first place.
Owain NOBODY CARES! do they? well this guy does so thats Not correct is it

And yet you go along every day picking holes in punctuation! lol pot and kettle
[quote][p][bold]Owain Vaughan[/bold] wrote: "People already think that spending money on Welsh signs is costly" -- Because it is! What is the benefit/cost ratio of this policy? I can think of a set of signs on the SDR that have had the wrong translation on them since 2004 (because it is different on adjacent signs) but NOBODY CARES! It is a total waste of money making these cluttered signs in the first place.[/p][/quote]Owain NOBODY CARES! do they? well this guy does so thats Not correct is it And yet you go along every day picking holes in punctuation! lol pot and kettle countyjim

1:23pm Thu 18 Jul 13

kalwales@hotmail.com says...

What else do you expect from the Council of Newport !!!!

Suprised mind because they are all Well Paid, Well Educated & working to make Newport a Better place !!
What else do you expect from the Council of Newport !!!! Suprised mind because they are all Well Paid, Well Educated & working to make Newport a Better place !! kalwales@hotmail.com

1:54pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Owain Vaughan says...

Jim what is meant by "nobody cares" is, as I sure you are aware, "nobody above a statistically-signif
icant threshold". For any question you are guaranteed a certain percentage of joke answers. Filtering out the statistically insignificant leads to the correct conclusion that nobody really cares.

Additionally, do not begin a sentence with "and". ;)
Jim what is meant by "nobody cares" is, as I sure you are aware, "nobody above a statistically-signif icant threshold". For any question you are guaranteed a certain percentage of joke answers. Filtering out the statistically insignificant leads to the correct conclusion that nobody really cares. Additionally, do not begin a sentence with "and". ;) Owain Vaughan

1:57pm Thu 18 Jul 13

whatintheworld says...

Jazztap wrote:
" Welsh Language Commissioner Meri Huws " ??? What sort of truly living language in everyday use needs a bloomin' " Language Commissioner ". And how, we taxpayers want to know, was she ever chosen and appointed ? And at what pay ? Answers please !
why not put in a freedom of information request rather than moaning on here?
[quote][p][bold]Jazztap[/bold] wrote: " Welsh Language Commissioner Meri Huws " ??? What sort of truly living language in everyday use needs a bloomin' " Language Commissioner ". And how, we taxpayers want to know, was she ever chosen and appointed ? And at what pay ? Answers please ![/p][/quote]why not put in a freedom of information request rather than moaning on here? whatintheworld

2:00pm Thu 18 Jul 13

white white says...

Jazztap wrote:
The Welsh language isn't spoken in Newport. Hardly at all in Cardiff. And not at all in Chepstow. Nor hardly anywhere nearby. It is realistic to have sympathy with the suggestion of road signs in, perhaps, Polish, Chinese, Urdu, etc , because of the large numbers who do speak & read these languages. Just keep Welsh Language signs for areas where the Welsh language is common - But we all know that they will still be unnecessary., don't we ? .
Welsh is spoken in newport and
On the increase and even on the
Increase in Monmouth just because
You don't hear it doesn't mean
It's not being used .
[quote][p][bold]Jazztap[/bold] wrote: The Welsh language isn't spoken in Newport. Hardly at all in Cardiff. And not at all in Chepstow. Nor hardly anywhere nearby. It is realistic to have sympathy with the suggestion of road signs in, perhaps, Polish, Chinese, Urdu, etc , because of the large numbers who do speak & read these languages. Just keep Welsh Language signs for areas where the Welsh language is common - But we all know that they will still be unnecessary., don't we ? .[/p][/quote]Welsh is spoken in newport and On the increase and even on the Increase in Monmouth just because You don't hear it doesn't mean It's not being used . white white

2:06pm Thu 18 Jul 13

venga says...

On holiday recently in North Wales I was mocked as being not "real Welsh" cos I came from Newport and don't speak Welsh. I asked if they enjoyed and felt proud of Wales having won the many honours recently on the rugby pitch. They were full of praise and waxed lyrical about Wales's heroics. I told them I was surprised that they were basking in the reflected glory of a team filled with southern welshmen most of whom did not speak welsh. They suddenly went quiet then replied, "point made son!"
Most of our forms, signs and local government office phone lines are bi lingual. What a waste of time and money! Amongst some of the folk I know who speak welsh are those who have surnames such as Mcdonald, Travers, Wright etc. how welsh is that? Then there are those who were born somewhere else but Wales and speak welsh! So, how do we identify welshness? Leave those of us who don't speak welsh alone...we are proud to be welsh, proud that we don't need to marginalise non welsh speaking welsh folk or snub English people because we think we are a cut above. You are not. Get over the shock and lighten up.
On holiday recently in North Wales I was mocked as being not "real Welsh" cos I came from Newport and don't speak Welsh. I asked if they enjoyed and felt proud of Wales having won the many honours recently on the rugby pitch. They were full of praise and waxed lyrical about Wales's heroics. I told them I was surprised that they were basking in the reflected glory of a team filled with southern welshmen most of whom did not speak welsh. They suddenly went quiet then replied, "point made son!" Most of our forms, signs and local government office phone lines are bi lingual. What a waste of time and money! Amongst some of the folk I know who speak welsh are those who have surnames such as Mcdonald, Travers, Wright etc. how welsh is that? Then there are those who were born somewhere else but Wales and speak welsh! So, how do we identify welshness? Leave those of us who don't speak welsh alone...we are proud to be welsh, proud that we don't need to marginalise non welsh speaking welsh folk or snub English people because we think we are a cut above. You are not. Get over the shock and lighten up. venga

2:11pm Thu 18 Jul 13

jd1234 says...

Welsh is rarely spoken in Newport and the locality. It is slightly on the increase. The Newport East MP sends her offspring to a Welsh-medium school. Hmm. However, the majority vernacular is English. May this long continue. I do NOT want two copies of official documentation- one in English, one Welsh. Waste of money, time, extra weight for postie!
Welsh is rarely spoken in Newport and the locality. It is slightly on the increase. The Newport East MP sends her offspring to a Welsh-medium school. Hmm. However, the majority vernacular is English. May this long continue. I do NOT want two copies of official documentation- one in English, one Welsh. Waste of money, time, extra weight for postie! jd1234

2:45pm Thu 18 Jul 13

blackandamber says...

Just remember this all you people who insist on other languages being put up along side the language of the UK, which is ENGLISH the NHS alone spends over £20 million per annum on translations of forms, signs etc. So the next time you find yourself ill and need drugs that the NHS can't afford to give you, remember.
Just remember this all you people who insist on other languages being put up along side the language of the UK, which is ENGLISH the NHS alone spends over £20 million per annum on translations of forms, signs etc. So the next time you find yourself ill and need drugs that the NHS can't afford to give you, remember. blackandamber

3:23pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Llanmartinangel says...

white white wrote:
Jazztap wrote:
The Welsh language isn't spoken in Newport. Hardly at all in Cardiff. And not at all in Chepstow. Nor hardly anywhere nearby. It is realistic to have sympathy with the suggestion of road signs in, perhaps, Polish, Chinese, Urdu, etc , because of the large numbers who do speak & read these languages. Just keep Welsh Language signs for areas where the Welsh language is common - But we all know that they will still be unnecessary., don't we ? .
Welsh is spoken in newport and
On the increase and even on the
Increase in Monmouth just because
You don't hear it doesn't mean
It's not being used .
Or to put that another way: just because you can't see poltergeists doesn't mean they don't exist.
[quote][p][bold]white white[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jazztap[/bold] wrote: The Welsh language isn't spoken in Newport. Hardly at all in Cardiff. And not at all in Chepstow. Nor hardly anywhere nearby. It is realistic to have sympathy with the suggestion of road signs in, perhaps, Polish, Chinese, Urdu, etc , because of the large numbers who do speak & read these languages. Just keep Welsh Language signs for areas where the Welsh language is common - But we all know that they will still be unnecessary., don't we ? .[/p][/quote]Welsh is spoken in newport and On the increase and even on the Increase in Monmouth just because You don't hear it doesn't mean It's not being used .[/p][/quote]Or to put that another way: just because you can't see poltergeists doesn't mean they don't exist. Llanmartinangel

4:23pm Thu 18 Jul 13

welshmen says...

If you want to debate a language, please don't try and belittle our Welsh Language, go and ask any teacher what they have been asked to do by the authorities, to try and teach a class of kids with a majority not speaking English.

Some of you moan about the cost of our Native Welsh, so who foots the bill for interpreters for our schools, £millions paid out to non citizens of our Country, not withstanding our kids have to wait while sir/miss explains to non English speaking kids.

Thankfully our kids are being taught Welsh, in twenty years time the Welsh language will be a norm in Wales in stead of in the extremities of our Nation....
If you want to debate a language, please don't try and belittle our Welsh Language, go and ask any teacher what they have been asked to do by the authorities, to try and teach a class of kids with a majority not speaking English. Some of you moan about the cost of our Native Welsh, so who foots the bill for interpreters for our schools, £millions paid out to non citizens of our Country, not withstanding our kids have to wait while sir/miss explains to non English speaking kids. Thankfully our kids are being taught Welsh, in twenty years time the Welsh language will be a norm in Wales in stead of in the extremities of our Nation.... welshmen

4:36pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Llanmartinangel says...

welshmen wrote:
If you want to debate a language, please don't try and belittle our Welsh Language, go and ask any teacher what they have been asked to do by the authorities, to try and teach a class of kids with a majority not speaking English.

Some of you moan about the cost of our Native Welsh, so who foots the bill for interpreters for our schools, £millions paid out to non citizens of our Country, not withstanding our kids have to wait while sir/miss explains to non English speaking kids.

Thankfully our kids are being taught Welsh, in twenty years time the Welsh language will be a norm in Wales in stead of in the extremities of our Nation....
Where to start with that one. I doubt many would support the provision of interpreters either so that is irrelevant. But shoring up a dying language will not bring back the culture for which it was once a vehicle, ergo, it will never be the norm everywhere in Wales. 'Extremities of our nation'? Which nation would that be? I looked on the UN website and couldn't find one called Wales.
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: If you want to debate a language, please don't try and belittle our Welsh Language, go and ask any teacher what they have been asked to do by the authorities, to try and teach a class of kids with a majority not speaking English. Some of you moan about the cost of our Native Welsh, so who foots the bill for interpreters for our schools, £millions paid out to non citizens of our Country, not withstanding our kids have to wait while sir/miss explains to non English speaking kids. Thankfully our kids are being taught Welsh, in twenty years time the Welsh language will be a norm in Wales in stead of in the extremities of our Nation....[/p][/quote]Where to start with that one. I doubt many would support the provision of interpreters either so that is irrelevant. But shoring up a dying language will not bring back the culture for which it was once a vehicle, ergo, it will never be the norm everywhere in Wales. 'Extremities of our nation'? Which nation would that be? I looked on the UN website and couldn't find one called Wales. Llanmartinangel

5:15pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Ceebee1 says...

Is it ignorance or arrogance that leads people in this welsh "city" to believe that our native language is not spoken by anyone. Personally I feel a huge sense of pride and patriotism to hear my children and their cousins and friends speaking the language whilst playing (or quarrelling!). I understand we may be in a minority as welsh speakers but this is changing and will be more evident through the generations to come. Why can't we as a welsh city embrace this and our native language?
Is it ignorance or arrogance that leads people in this welsh "city" to believe that our native language is not spoken by anyone. Personally I feel a huge sense of pride and patriotism to hear my children and their cousins and friends speaking the language whilst playing (or quarrelling!). I understand we may be in a minority as welsh speakers but this is changing and will be more evident through the generations to come. Why can't we as a welsh city embrace this and our native language? Ceebee1

5:29pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Melvyn The Milk says...

We could always put the sign outside Rodney Parade. Then sit and wait to see if the team does any better!
We could always put the sign outside Rodney Parade. Then sit and wait to see if the team does any better! Melvyn The Milk

5:42pm Thu 18 Jul 13

welshmen says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
welshmen wrote:
If you want to debate a language, please don't try and belittle our Welsh Language, go and ask any teacher what they have been asked to do by the authorities, to try and teach a class of kids with a majority not speaking English.

Some of you moan about the cost of our Native Welsh, so who foots the bill for interpreters for our schools, £millions paid out to non citizens of our Country, not withstanding our kids have to wait while sir/miss explains to non English speaking kids.

Thankfully our kids are being taught Welsh, in twenty years time the Welsh language will be a norm in Wales in stead of in the extremities of our Nation....
Where to start with that one. I doubt many would support the provision of interpreters either so that is irrelevant. But shoring up a dying language will not bring back the culture for which it was once a vehicle, ergo, it will never be the norm everywhere in Wales. 'Extremities of our nation'? Which nation would that be? I looked on the UN website and couldn't find one called Wales.
It's not a dying language, the teaching of Welsh is 100 times more popular than it was in my school days.

Extremities meaning, North and West Wales, also South and South West.

Wales is not a member state of the UN, we are member of the United Kingdom which is.

As for questioning are we the Welsh a Nation, you will need to remind the Welsh rugby supporters that we don't play in the six Nations rugby Competition any more because Llanmartinangel said we are not a Nation. lol....
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: If you want to debate a language, please don't try and belittle our Welsh Language, go and ask any teacher what they have been asked to do by the authorities, to try and teach a class of kids with a majority not speaking English. Some of you moan about the cost of our Native Welsh, so who foots the bill for interpreters for our schools, £millions paid out to non citizens of our Country, not withstanding our kids have to wait while sir/miss explains to non English speaking kids. Thankfully our kids are being taught Welsh, in twenty years time the Welsh language will be a norm in Wales in stead of in the extremities of our Nation....[/p][/quote]Where to start with that one. I doubt many would support the provision of interpreters either so that is irrelevant. But shoring up a dying language will not bring back the culture for which it was once a vehicle, ergo, it will never be the norm everywhere in Wales. 'Extremities of our nation'? Which nation would that be? I looked on the UN website and couldn't find one called Wales.[/p][/quote]It's not a dying language, the teaching of Welsh is 100 times more popular than it was in my school days. Extremities meaning, North and West Wales, also South and South West. Wales is not a member state of the UN, we are member of the United Kingdom which is. As for questioning are we the Welsh a Nation, you will need to remind the Welsh rugby supporters that we don't play in the six Nations rugby Competition any more because Llanmartinangel said we are not a Nation. lol.... welshmen

5:46pm Thu 18 Jul 13

white white says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
welshmen wrote:
If you want to debate a language, please don't try and belittle our Welsh Language, go and ask any teacher what they have been asked to do by the authorities, to try and teach a class of kids with a majority not speaking English.

Some of you moan about the cost of our Native Welsh, so who foots the bill for interpreters for our schools, £millions paid out to non citizens of our Country, not withstanding our kids have to wait while sir/miss explains to non English speaking kids.

Thankfully our kids are being taught Welsh, in twenty years time the Welsh language will be a norm in Wales in stead of in the extremities of our Nation....
Where to start with that one. I doubt many would support the provision of interpreters either so that is irrelevant. But shoring up a dying language will not bring back the culture for which it was once a vehicle, ergo, it will never be the norm everywhere in Wales. 'Extremities of our nation'? Which nation would that be? I looked on the UN website and couldn't find one called Wales.
Don't be silly,wales as nation
Can be predated to just around
The Times of king offa and before
The Saxons called us the welsh
In old tongue meaning foreigners
Or some thing like waelas meaning
The same thing .,while we welsh
were known as the cymru in . wales
Was known as cambria .although
We had kings in wales like hywell da
Our main leaders were the prince's
Of wales or formally known from
Old Latin I think meaning prince-teps
Meaning principal ruler the welsh
Language was oppressed as far back
As the 15 th century and mostly
Forbidden in schools most recently
In the late 19th early 20th century
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: If you want to debate a language, please don't try and belittle our Welsh Language, go and ask any teacher what they have been asked to do by the authorities, to try and teach a class of kids with a majority not speaking English. Some of you moan about the cost of our Native Welsh, so who foots the bill for interpreters for our schools, £millions paid out to non citizens of our Country, not withstanding our kids have to wait while sir/miss explains to non English speaking kids. Thankfully our kids are being taught Welsh, in twenty years time the Welsh language will be a norm in Wales in stead of in the extremities of our Nation....[/p][/quote]Where to start with that one. I doubt many would support the provision of interpreters either so that is irrelevant. But shoring up a dying language will not bring back the culture for which it was once a vehicle, ergo, it will never be the norm everywhere in Wales. 'Extremities of our nation'? Which nation would that be? I looked on the UN website and couldn't find one called Wales.[/p][/quote]Don't be silly,wales as nation Can be predated to just around The Times of king offa and before The Saxons called us the welsh In old tongue meaning foreigners Or some thing like waelas meaning The same thing .,while we welsh were known as the cymru in . wales Was known as cambria .although We had kings in wales like hywell da Our main leaders were the prince's Of wales or formally known from Old Latin I think meaning prince-teps Meaning principal ruler the welsh Language was oppressed as far back As the 15 th century and mostly Forbidden in schools most recently In the late 19th early 20th century white white

6:18pm Thu 18 Jul 13

TK355 says...

white white wrote:
JoJoJoJo wrote:
Instead of spending money changing the sign leave it as it is and give the money to Idris. He could use it to buy himself a life.

There's far more people in Newport that can't read Welsh than those who can. So I doubt anyone will notice or care. Perhaps the Argus should do a report on why signs that are so important they need to be translated into a language that is not used in Newport are not in other languages. Can't see a Polish, Albanian, Arabic or Farsi sign anywhere on Malpas Road.
Bor da
The reason that you don't
See polish.Albanian.Arab

ic
Or Farsi road signs is quite
Simple ..those languages are not
The official languages of Britain
Welsh is and so is English.the
Welsh language is one of the oldest
In the world and respected it's
Also spoken in Patagonia one of
The early space probes has a disc on
It which include languages from
Around the world including welsh.
People should take a bit of pride from
Where they come from rather than
Belittling it .better still try learning
It , it's not that hard
Diolch
But clearly harder than English butt
[quote][p][bold]white white[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JoJoJoJo[/bold] wrote: Instead of spending money changing the sign leave it as it is and give the money to Idris. He could use it to buy himself a life. There's far more people in Newport that can't read Welsh than those who can. So I doubt anyone will notice or care. Perhaps the Argus should do a report on why signs that are so important they need to be translated into a language that is not used in Newport are not in other languages. Can't see a Polish, Albanian, Arabic or Farsi sign anywhere on Malpas Road.[/p][/quote]Bor da The reason that you don't See polish.Albanian.Arab ic Or Farsi road signs is quite Simple ..those languages are not The official languages of Britain Welsh is and so is English.the Welsh language is one of the oldest In the world and respected it's Also spoken in Patagonia one of The early space probes has a disc on It which include languages from Around the world including welsh. People should take a bit of pride from Where they come from rather than Belittling it .better still try learning It , it's not that hard Diolch[/p][/quote]But clearly harder than English butt TK355

7:32pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Limestonecowboy says...

The English part of the sign 'No coaches...' could also be interpreted for sports coaches.

Its how you see the sign whats the difference leave it as it is save further expense. (Perhaps a picture of a bus with a red cross through it would avoid any confusion.)
The English part of the sign 'No coaches...' could also be interpreted for sports coaches. Its how you see the sign whats the difference leave it as it is save further expense. (Perhaps a picture of a bus with a red cross through it would avoid any confusion.) Limestonecowboy

7:48pm Thu 18 Jul 13

white white says...

white white wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
welshmen wrote:
If you want to debate a language, please don't try and belittle our Welsh Language, go and ask any teacher what they have been asked to do by the authorities, to try and teach a class of kids with a majority not speaking English.

Some of you moan about the cost of our Native Welsh, so who foots the bill for interpreters for our schools, £millions paid out to non citizens of our Country, not withstanding our kids have to wait while sir/miss explains to non English speaking kids.

Thankfully our kids are being taught Welsh, in twenty years time the Welsh language will be a norm in Wales in stead of in the extremities of our Nation....
Where to start with that one. I doubt many would support the provision of interpreters either so that is irrelevant. But shoring up a dying language will not bring back the culture for which it was once a vehicle, ergo, it will never be the norm everywhere in Wales. 'Extremities of our nation'? Which nation would that be? I looked on the UN website and couldn't find one called Wales.
Don't be silly,wales as nation
Can be predated to just around
The Times of king offa and before
The Saxons called us the welsh
In old tongue meaning foreigners
Or some thing like waelas meaning
The same thing .,while we welsh
were known as the cymru in . wales
Was known as cambria .although
We had kings in wales like hywell da
Our main leaders were the prince's
Of wales or formally known from
Old Latin I think meaning prince-teps
Meaning principal ruler the welsh
Language was oppressed as far back
As the 15 th century and mostly
Forbidden in schools most recently
In the late 19th early 20th century
Slight error
're prince-teps it should
Say princeps close enough
Though.
[quote][p][bold]white white[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: If you want to debate a language, please don't try and belittle our Welsh Language, go and ask any teacher what they have been asked to do by the authorities, to try and teach a class of kids with a majority not speaking English. Some of you moan about the cost of our Native Welsh, so who foots the bill for interpreters for our schools, £millions paid out to non citizens of our Country, not withstanding our kids have to wait while sir/miss explains to non English speaking kids. Thankfully our kids are being taught Welsh, in twenty years time the Welsh language will be a norm in Wales in stead of in the extremities of our Nation....[/p][/quote]Where to start with that one. I doubt many would support the provision of interpreters either so that is irrelevant. But shoring up a dying language will not bring back the culture for which it was once a vehicle, ergo, it will never be the norm everywhere in Wales. 'Extremities of our nation'? Which nation would that be? I looked on the UN website and couldn't find one called Wales.[/p][/quote]Don't be silly,wales as nation Can be predated to just around The Times of king offa and before The Saxons called us the welsh In old tongue meaning foreigners Or some thing like waelas meaning The same thing .,while we welsh were known as the cymru in . wales Was known as cambria .although We had kings in wales like hywell da Our main leaders were the prince's Of wales or formally known from Old Latin I think meaning prince-teps Meaning principal ruler the welsh Language was oppressed as far back As the 15 th century and mostly Forbidden in schools most recently In the late 19th early 20th century[/p][/quote]Slight error 're prince-teps it should Say princeps close enough Though. white white

8:21pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Robodad says...

Even the English on the top of the sign is wrong, "coaches" is not a proper noun so it should not start with a capital letter
Even the English on the top of the sign is wrong, "coaches" is not a proper noun so it should not start with a capital letter Robodad

8:45pm Thu 18 Jul 13

scraptheWAG says...

Ceebee1 wrote:
Is it ignorance or arrogance that leads people in this welsh "city" to believe that our native language is not spoken by anyone. Personally I feel a huge sense of pride and patriotism to hear my children and their cousins and friends speaking the language whilst playing (or quarrelling!). I understand we may be in a minority as welsh speakers but this is changing and will be more evident through the generations to come. Why can't we as a welsh city embrace this and our native language?
not sure what use you think speakign welsh will be to your children in years to come but each to their own I am concerned about the cost - it might of skipped you notice but newport is a town on its absolute knees (run down does not cut it) yet we can spend millions on some stupid old fashioned language.
[quote][p][bold]Ceebee1[/bold] wrote: Is it ignorance or arrogance that leads people in this welsh "city" to believe that our native language is not spoken by anyone. Personally I feel a huge sense of pride and patriotism to hear my children and their cousins and friends speaking the language whilst playing (or quarrelling!). I understand we may be in a minority as welsh speakers but this is changing and will be more evident through the generations to come. Why can't we as a welsh city embrace this and our native language?[/p][/quote]not sure what use you think speakign welsh will be to your children in years to come but each to their own I am concerned about the cost - it might of skipped you notice but newport is a town on its absolute knees (run down does not cut it) yet we can spend millions on some stupid old fashioned language. scraptheWAG

8:58pm Thu 18 Jul 13

regaturn says...

Bygone language of a bygone age, let's ditch the language total waste of time and money
Bygone language of a bygone age, let's ditch the language total waste of time and money regaturn

9:12pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Melvyn The Milk says...

Robodad wrote:
Even the English on the top of the sign is wrong, "coaches" is not a proper noun so it should not start with a capital letter
Good and valid point. Who pays these idiots?
[quote][p][bold]Robodad[/bold] wrote: Even the English on the top of the sign is wrong, "coaches" is not a proper noun so it should not start with a capital letter[/p][/quote]Good and valid point. Who pays these idiots? Melvyn The Milk

9:37pm Thu 18 Jul 13

scraptheWAG says...

regaturn wrote:
Bygone language of a bygone age, let's ditch the language total waste of time and money
who keeps insisting on this nonsence
[quote][p][bold]regaturn[/bold] wrote: Bygone language of a bygone age, let's ditch the language total waste of time and money[/p][/quote]who keeps insisting on this nonsence scraptheWAG

10:14pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Ceebee1 says...

scraptheWAG wrote:
Ceebee1 wrote:
Is it ignorance or arrogance that leads people in this welsh "city" to believe that our native language is not spoken by anyone. Personally I feel a huge sense of pride and patriotism to hear my children and their cousins and friends speaking the language whilst playing (or quarrelling!). I understand we may be in a minority as welsh speakers but this is changing and will be more evident through the generations to come. Why can't we as a welsh city embrace this and our native language?
not sure what use you think speakign welsh will be to your children in years to come but each to their own I am concerned about the cost - it might of skipped you notice but newport is a town on its absolute knees (run down does not cut it) yet we can spend millions on some stupid old fashioned language.
Apart from the benefits of bilingualism that have been shown within the childs abilities e.g creativity, I.Q development, educational results, I also feel that being bilingual will give my children greater job opportunities in the future as well as being more open minded and tolerant of others who are culturally different. I am all for our city being multi cultural but lets not our culture and history be stamped out and forgotten. Yes we are still in the midst of a worldwide recession that has had a dreadful impact on our town/ city and change does need to happen to allow our city to flourish again with limited finances being spent wisely. However, I would be interested to see where exactly our local council spends these millions and millions of pounds on the welsh language..........It evidently is not on the education system!
[quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ceebee1[/bold] wrote: Is it ignorance or arrogance that leads people in this welsh "city" to believe that our native language is not spoken by anyone. Personally I feel a huge sense of pride and patriotism to hear my children and their cousins and friends speaking the language whilst playing (or quarrelling!). I understand we may be in a minority as welsh speakers but this is changing and will be more evident through the generations to come. Why can't we as a welsh city embrace this and our native language?[/p][/quote]not sure what use you think speakign welsh will be to your children in years to come but each to their own I am concerned about the cost - it might of skipped you notice but newport is a town on its absolute knees (run down does not cut it) yet we can spend millions on some stupid old fashioned language.[/p][/quote]Apart from the benefits of bilingualism that have been shown within the childs abilities e.g creativity, I.Q development, educational results, I also feel that being bilingual will give my children greater job opportunities in the future as well as being more open minded and tolerant of others who are culturally different. I am all for our city being multi cultural but lets not our culture and history be stamped out and forgotten. Yes we are still in the midst of a worldwide recession that has had a dreadful impact on our town/ city and change does need to happen to allow our city to flourish again with limited finances being spent wisely. However, I would be interested to see where exactly our local council spends these millions and millions of pounds on the welsh language..........It evidently is not on the education system! Ceebee1

10:19pm Thu 18 Jul 13

ExNewport says...

Typical ignorance from the people of Newport, no wonder it's such a dump being inhabited by the likes of the majority of posters on here.
Typical ignorance from the people of Newport, no wonder it's such a dump being inhabited by the likes of the majority of posters on here. ExNewport

10:22pm Thu 18 Jul 13

scraptheWAG says...

Ceebee1 wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
Ceebee1 wrote:
Is it ignorance or arrogance that leads people in this welsh "city" to believe that our native language is not spoken by anyone. Personally I feel a huge sense of pride and patriotism to hear my children and their cousins and friends speaking the language whilst playing (or quarrelling!). I understand we may be in a minority as welsh speakers but this is changing and will be more evident through the generations to come. Why can't we as a welsh city embrace this and our native language?
not sure what use you think speakign welsh will be to your children in years to come but each to their own I am concerned about the cost - it might of skipped you notice but newport is a town on its absolute knees (run down does not cut it) yet we can spend millions on some stupid old fashioned language.
Apart from the benefits of bilingualism that have been shown within the childs abilities e.g creativity, I.Q development, educational results, I also feel that being bilingual will give my children greater job opportunities in the future as well as being more open minded and tolerant of others who are culturally different. I am all for our city being multi cultural but lets not our culture and history be stamped out and forgotten. Yes we are still in the midst of a worldwide recession that has had a dreadful impact on our town/ city and change does need to happen to allow our city to flourish again with limited finances being spent wisely. However, I would be interested to see where exactly our local council spends these millions and millions of pounds on the welsh language..........It evidently is not on the education system!
greater job opportunities please explain maybe a job down the WAG but apart from these NON jobs i cannot see anyone requiring this stupid language
[quote][p][bold]Ceebee1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ceebee1[/bold] wrote: Is it ignorance or arrogance that leads people in this welsh "city" to believe that our native language is not spoken by anyone. Personally I feel a huge sense of pride and patriotism to hear my children and their cousins and friends speaking the language whilst playing (or quarrelling!). I understand we may be in a minority as welsh speakers but this is changing and will be more evident through the generations to come. Why can't we as a welsh city embrace this and our native language?[/p][/quote]not sure what use you think speakign welsh will be to your children in years to come but each to their own I am concerned about the cost - it might of skipped you notice but newport is a town on its absolute knees (run down does not cut it) yet we can spend millions on some stupid old fashioned language.[/p][/quote]Apart from the benefits of bilingualism that have been shown within the childs abilities e.g creativity, I.Q development, educational results, I also feel that being bilingual will give my children greater job opportunities in the future as well as being more open minded and tolerant of others who are culturally different. I am all for our city being multi cultural but lets not our culture and history be stamped out and forgotten. Yes we are still in the midst of a worldwide recession that has had a dreadful impact on our town/ city and change does need to happen to allow our city to flourish again with limited finances being spent wisely. However, I would be interested to see where exactly our local council spends these millions and millions of pounds on the welsh language..........It evidently is not on the education system![/p][/quote]greater job opportunities please explain maybe a job down the WAG but apart from these NON jobs i cannot see anyone requiring this stupid language scraptheWAG

10:31pm Thu 18 Jul 13

bugail says...

People complain about the amount of money has been spent on the Welsh language. Its nothing compared how much is spent on development projects in Newport. All for nothing.

While the rest of Wales (including what you called welsh speaking areas) are working, all of our tax money is spent on newport. Again for all nothing. I am fed up with it. Wasting all that money on lazy people in valleys.

Their only aim in life is get on Jeremy Kyle show. Time to flatten newport.
People complain about the amount of money has been spent on the Welsh language. Its nothing compared how much is spent on development projects in Newport. All for nothing. While the rest of Wales (including what you called welsh speaking areas) are working, all of our tax money is spent on newport. Again for all nothing. I am fed up with it. Wasting all that money on lazy people in valleys. Their only aim in life is get on Jeremy Kyle show. Time to flatten newport. bugail

10:32pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Ceebee1 says...

scraptheWAG wrote:
Ceebee1 wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
Ceebee1 wrote:
Is it ignorance or arrogance that leads people in this welsh "city" to believe that our native language is not spoken by anyone. Personally I feel a huge sense of pride and patriotism to hear my children and their cousins and friends speaking the language whilst playing (or quarrelling!). I understand we may be in a minority as welsh speakers but this is changing and will be more evident through the generations to come. Why can't we as a welsh city embrace this and our native language?
not sure what use you think speakign welsh will be to your children in years to come but each to their own I am concerned about the cost - it might of skipped you notice but newport is a town on its absolute knees (run down does not cut it) yet we can spend millions on some stupid old fashioned language.
Apart from the benefits of bilingualism that have been shown within the childs abilities e.g creativity, I.Q development, educational results, I also feel that being bilingual will give my children greater job opportunities in the future as well as being more open minded and tolerant of others who are culturally different. I am all for our city being multi cultural but lets not our culture and history be stamped out and forgotten. Yes we are still in the midst of a worldwide recession that has had a dreadful impact on our town/ city and change does need to happen to allow our city to flourish again with limited finances being spent wisely. However, I would be interested to see where exactly our local council spends these millions and millions of pounds on the welsh language..........It evidently is not on the education system!
greater job opportunities please explain maybe a job down the WAG but apart from these NON jobs i cannot see anyone requiring this stupid language
Teaching, nursing, medical, police, leisure.......to name a few! The opportunities are endless. I don't know if you have applied for a job in wales recently but if so you will have noticed that to be a Welsh speaker is usually a desired attribute for the applicant to have. Jobs are few and far between these days and if something as simple as speaking our native language is what it comes down to between the final two I'm glad to say my children will always have the upper hand! Like it or not the welsh language does exist and is here to stay!
[quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ceebee1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ceebee1[/bold] wrote: Is it ignorance or arrogance that leads people in this welsh "city" to believe that our native language is not spoken by anyone. Personally I feel a huge sense of pride and patriotism to hear my children and their cousins and friends speaking the language whilst playing (or quarrelling!). I understand we may be in a minority as welsh speakers but this is changing and will be more evident through the generations to come. Why can't we as a welsh city embrace this and our native language?[/p][/quote]not sure what use you think speakign welsh will be to your children in years to come but each to their own I am concerned about the cost - it might of skipped you notice but newport is a town on its absolute knees (run down does not cut it) yet we can spend millions on some stupid old fashioned language.[/p][/quote]Apart from the benefits of bilingualism that have been shown within the childs abilities e.g creativity, I.Q development, educational results, I also feel that being bilingual will give my children greater job opportunities in the future as well as being more open minded and tolerant of others who are culturally different. I am all for our city being multi cultural but lets not our culture and history be stamped out and forgotten. Yes we are still in the midst of a worldwide recession that has had a dreadful impact on our town/ city and change does need to happen to allow our city to flourish again with limited finances being spent wisely. However, I would be interested to see where exactly our local council spends these millions and millions of pounds on the welsh language..........It evidently is not on the education system![/p][/quote]greater job opportunities please explain maybe a job down the WAG but apart from these NON jobs i cannot see anyone requiring this stupid language[/p][/quote]Teaching, nursing, medical, police, leisure.......to name a few! The opportunities are endless. I don't know if you have applied for a job in wales recently but if so you will have noticed that to be a Welsh speaker is usually a desired attribute for the applicant to have. Jobs are few and far between these days and if something as simple as speaking our native language is what it comes down to between the final two I'm glad to say my children will always have the upper hand! Like it or not the welsh language does exist and is here to stay! Ceebee1

10:57pm Thu 18 Jul 13

bugail says...

Ceebee1 wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
Ceebee1 wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
Ceebee1 wrote:
Is it ignorance or arrogance that leads people in this welsh "city" to believe that our native language is not spoken by anyone. Personally I feel a huge sense of pride and patriotism to hear my children and their cousins and friends speaking the language whilst playing (or quarrelling!). I understand we may be in a minority as welsh speakers but this is changing and will be more evident through the generations to come. Why can't we as a welsh city embrace this and our native language?
not sure what use you think speakign welsh will be to your children in years to come but each to their own I am concerned about the cost - it might of skipped you notice but newport is a town on its absolute knees (run down does not cut it) yet we can spend millions on some stupid old fashioned language.
Apart from the benefits of bilingualism that have been shown within the childs abilities e.g creativity, I.Q development, educational results, I also feel that being bilingual will give my children greater job opportunities in the future as well as being more open minded and tolerant of others who are culturally different. I am all for our city being multi cultural but lets not our culture and history be stamped out and forgotten. Yes we are still in the midst of a worldwide recession that has had a dreadful impact on our town/ city and change does need to happen to allow our city to flourish again with limited finances being spent wisely. However, I would be interested to see where exactly our local council spends these millions and millions of pounds on the welsh language..........It evidently is not on the education system!
greater job opportunities please explain maybe a job down the WAG but apart from these NON jobs i cannot see anyone requiring this stupid language
Teaching, nursing, medical, police, leisure.......to name a few! The opportunities are endless. I don't know if you have applied for a job in wales recently but if so you will have noticed that to be a Welsh speaker is usually a desired attribute for the applicant to have. Jobs are few and far between these days and if something as simple as speaking our native language is what it comes down to between the final two I'm glad to say my children will always have the upper hand! Like it or not the welsh language does exist and is here to stay!
You have to remember Ceebee that were dealing Newport people here.

Their only aim in life is to appear on Bargain Hunt and know how to cook some crystal meth.
[quote][p][bold]Ceebee1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ceebee1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ceebee1[/bold] wrote: Is it ignorance or arrogance that leads people in this welsh "city" to believe that our native language is not spoken by anyone. Personally I feel a huge sense of pride and patriotism to hear my children and their cousins and friends speaking the language whilst playing (or quarrelling!). I understand we may be in a minority as welsh speakers but this is changing and will be more evident through the generations to come. Why can't we as a welsh city embrace this and our native language?[/p][/quote]not sure what use you think speakign welsh will be to your children in years to come but each to their own I am concerned about the cost - it might of skipped you notice but newport is a town on its absolute knees (run down does not cut it) yet we can spend millions on some stupid old fashioned language.[/p][/quote]Apart from the benefits of bilingualism that have been shown within the childs abilities e.g creativity, I.Q development, educational results, I also feel that being bilingual will give my children greater job opportunities in the future as well as being more open minded and tolerant of others who are culturally different. I am all for our city being multi cultural but lets not our culture and history be stamped out and forgotten. Yes we are still in the midst of a worldwide recession that has had a dreadful impact on our town/ city and change does need to happen to allow our city to flourish again with limited finances being spent wisely. However, I would be interested to see where exactly our local council spends these millions and millions of pounds on the welsh language..........It evidently is not on the education system![/p][/quote]greater job opportunities please explain maybe a job down the WAG but apart from these NON jobs i cannot see anyone requiring this stupid language[/p][/quote]Teaching, nursing, medical, police, leisure.......to name a few! The opportunities are endless. I don't know if you have applied for a job in wales recently but if so you will have noticed that to be a Welsh speaker is usually a desired attribute for the applicant to have. Jobs are few and far between these days and if something as simple as speaking our native language is what it comes down to between the final two I'm glad to say my children will always have the upper hand! Like it or not the welsh language does exist and is here to stay![/p][/quote]You have to remember Ceebee that were dealing Newport people here. Their only aim in life is to appear on Bargain Hunt and know how to cook some crystal meth. bugail

11:09pm Thu 18 Jul 13

pbhj says...

welshmen wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
welshmen wrote:
If you want to debate a language, please don't try and belittle our Welsh Language, go and ask any teacher what they have been asked to do by the authorities, to try and teach a class of kids with a majority not speaking English.

Some of you moan about the cost of our Native Welsh, so who foots the bill for interpreters for our schools, £millions paid out to non citizens of our Country, not withstanding our kids have to wait while sir/miss explains to non English speaking kids.

Thankfully our kids are being taught Welsh, in twenty years time the Welsh language will be a norm in Wales in stead of in the extremities of our Nation....
Where to start with that one. I doubt many would support the provision of interpreters either so that is irrelevant. But shoring up a dying language will not bring back the culture for which it was once a vehicle, ergo, it will never be the norm everywhere in Wales. 'Extremities of our nation'? Which nation would that be? I looked on the UN website and couldn't find one called Wales.
It's not a dying language, the teaching of Welsh is 100 times more popular than it was in my school days.

Extremities meaning, North and West Wales, also South and South West.

Wales is not a member state of the UN, we are member of the United Kingdom which is.

As for questioning are we the Welsh a Nation, you will need to remind the Welsh rugby supporters that we don't play in the six Nations rugby Competition any more because Llanmartinangel said we are not a Nation. lol....
It's not a dying language, the teaching of Welsh is 100 times more popular than it was in my school days.


You know the teaching of historic Welsh is mandated by law and that it permeates every lesson in Primary Schools. It is treated in the curriculum as if historic Welsh language is the only way to achieve an education.

It's so insular and ill-thought out.

The reality is that almost any major world language would provide the bilingualism that is desirable and greater opportunities for employment and cultural engagement in later life.

Despite an extended program of forced adoption Welsh is on the decrease as evidenced in statistics from Newport's own NSO.

We should embrace the modern Welsh language the one known internationally as English language and look to expand our links in culture and business by adopting in schools a program of modern second language use: Mandarin Chinese, Hindi/Urdu, Spanish, Arabic and other useful languages.

There is nothing wrong with studying historic languages but there is little right about spending so much on enforcing a language for political ends in the way Welsh is being pushed.
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: If you want to debate a language, please don't try and belittle our Welsh Language, go and ask any teacher what they have been asked to do by the authorities, to try and teach a class of kids with a majority not speaking English. Some of you moan about the cost of our Native Welsh, so who foots the bill for interpreters for our schools, £millions paid out to non citizens of our Country, not withstanding our kids have to wait while sir/miss explains to non English speaking kids. Thankfully our kids are being taught Welsh, in twenty years time the Welsh language will be a norm in Wales in stead of in the extremities of our Nation....[/p][/quote]Where to start with that one. I doubt many would support the provision of interpreters either so that is irrelevant. But shoring up a dying language will not bring back the culture for which it was once a vehicle, ergo, it will never be the norm everywhere in Wales. 'Extremities of our nation'? Which nation would that be? I looked on the UN website and couldn't find one called Wales.[/p][/quote]It's not a dying language, the teaching of Welsh is 100 times more popular than it was in my school days. Extremities meaning, North and West Wales, also South and South West. Wales is not a member state of the UN, we are member of the United Kingdom which is. As for questioning are we the Welsh a Nation, you will need to remind the Welsh rugby supporters that we don't play in the six Nations rugby Competition any more because Llanmartinangel said we are not a Nation. lol....[/p][/quote][quote]It's not a dying language, the teaching of Welsh is 100 times more popular than it was in my school days.[/quote] You know the teaching of historic Welsh is mandated by law and that it permeates every lesson in Primary Schools. It is treated in the curriculum as if historic Welsh language is the only way to achieve an education. It's so insular and ill-thought out. The reality is that almost any major world language would provide the bilingualism that is desirable and greater opportunities for employment and cultural engagement in later life. Despite an extended program of forced adoption Welsh is on the decrease as evidenced in statistics from Newport's own NSO. We should embrace the [b]modern Welsh language the one known internationally as English language[/b] and look to expand our links in culture and business by adopting in schools a program of modern second language use: Mandarin Chinese, Hindi/Urdu, Spanish, Arabic and other useful languages. There is nothing wrong with studying historic languages but there is little right about spending so much on enforcing a language for political ends in the way Welsh is being pushed. pbhj

6:37am Fri 19 Jul 13

scraptheWAG says...

i suspect most who support the welsh language are labour voters and are unemployed or disabled actors so dont care how much money is spent on this nonsence just as long as it doesnt effect there job seekers or incap.
i suspect most who support the welsh language are labour voters and are unemployed or disabled actors so dont care how much money is spent on this nonsence just as long as it doesnt effect there job seekers or incap. scraptheWAG

6:44am Fri 19 Jul 13

scraptheWAG says...

OH and in reply to previous posts the role of the WELSH LANGUAGE COMMISSIONER pays a paltry £95 k per annum

http://www.walesonli
ne.co.uk/news/local-
news/matt-withers-we
lsh-language-commiss
ioner-1804422
OH and in reply to previous posts the role of the WELSH LANGUAGE COMMISSIONER pays a paltry £95 k per annum http://www.walesonli ne.co.uk/news/local- news/matt-withers-we lsh-language-commiss ioner-1804422 scraptheWAG

8:19am Fri 19 Jul 13

Llanmartinangel says...

scraptheWAG wrote:
OH and in reply to previous posts the role of the WELSH LANGUAGE COMMISSIONER pays a paltry £95 k per annum

http://www.walesonli

ne.co.uk/news/local-

news/matt-withers-we

lsh-language-commiss

ioner-1804422
That's on top of the near £100m on Welsh broadcasting, millions on doubling documentation no-one reads plus signage and compulsory education a lot of people don't want. Yet we have ambulances queuing for 4 hours outside UHW and people left on trollies in hospital corridors. If you support this ludicrous excess on language then don't complain when water comes through the school roof, your mother's care home gets closed and your sick relatives die for the want of treatment the Welsh NHS can't afford. I repeat, you can only spend money once and the WAG budget isn't bottomless.
[quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: OH and in reply to previous posts the role of the WELSH LANGUAGE COMMISSIONER pays a paltry £95 k per annum http://www.walesonli ne.co.uk/news/local- news/matt-withers-we lsh-language-commiss ioner-1804422[/p][/quote]That's on top of the near £100m on Welsh broadcasting, millions on doubling documentation no-one reads plus signage and compulsory education a lot of people don't want. Yet we have ambulances queuing for 4 hours outside UHW and people left on trollies in hospital corridors. If you support this ludicrous excess on language then don't complain when water comes through the school roof, your mother's care home gets closed and your sick relatives die for the want of treatment the Welsh NHS can't afford. I repeat, you can only spend money once and the WAG budget isn't bottomless. Llanmartinangel

9:22am Fri 19 Jul 13

Ceebee1 says...

scraptheWAG wrote:
i suspect most who support the welsh language are labour voters and are unemployed or disabled actors so dont care how much money is spent on this nonsence just as long as it doesnt effect there job seekers or incap.
I can assure you that I am not or ever have been unemployed. The fact you have to base your argument on assumptions and other various derogatory remarks only weakens it.
[quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: i suspect most who support the welsh language are labour voters and are unemployed or disabled actors so dont care how much money is spent on this nonsence just as long as it doesnt effect there job seekers or incap.[/p][/quote]I can assure you that I am not or ever have been unemployed. The fact you have to base your argument on assumptions and other various derogatory remarks only weakens it. Ceebee1

9:23am Fri 19 Jul 13

Poolerkev says...

This website is the best entertainment on the net. If they printed the comments out in the paper instead of all the rubbish they put in their supplements it would be worth a quid.

The same 12 people with the same stuff every story.... Blame the council, scrap the WAG, it must be the same for all three gender types, ban the travellers and the best one of all.... The non appearance of Mr Goldie looking chain.

Luvin it muchly......
This website is the best entertainment on the net. If they printed the comments out in the paper instead of all the rubbish they put in their supplements it would be worth a quid. The same 12 people with the same stuff every story.... Blame the council, scrap the WAG, it must be the same for all three gender types, ban the travellers and the best one of all.... The non appearance of Mr Goldie looking chain. Luvin it muchly...... Poolerkev

9:34am Fri 19 Jul 13

Melvyn The Milk says...

Ceebee1 wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
Ceebee1 wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
Ceebee1 wrote:
Is it ignorance or arrogance that leads people in this welsh "city" to believe that our native language is not spoken by anyone. Personally I feel a huge sense of pride and patriotism to hear my children and their cousins and friends speaking the language whilst playing (or quarrelling!). I understand we may be in a minority as welsh speakers but this is changing and will be more evident through the generations to come. Why can't we as a welsh city embrace this and our native language?
not sure what use you think speakign welsh will be to your children in years to come but each to their own I am concerned about the cost - it might of skipped you notice but newport is a town on its absolute knees (run down does not cut it) yet we can spend millions on some stupid old fashioned language.
Apart from the benefits of bilingualism that have been shown within the childs abilities e.g creativity, I.Q development, educational results, I also feel that being bilingual will give my children greater job opportunities in the future as well as being more open minded and tolerant of others who are culturally different. I am all for our city being multi cultural but lets not our culture and history be stamped out and forgotten. Yes we are still in the midst of a worldwide recession that has had a dreadful impact on our town/ city and change does need to happen to allow our city to flourish again with limited finances being spent wisely. However, I would be interested to see where exactly our local council spends these millions and millions of pounds on the welsh language..........It evidently is not on the education system!
greater job opportunities please explain maybe a job down the WAG but apart from these NON jobs i cannot see anyone requiring this stupid language
Teaching, nursing, medical, police, leisure.......to name a few! The opportunities are endless. I don't know if you have applied for a job in wales recently but if so you will have noticed that to be a Welsh speaker is usually a desired attribute for the applicant to have. Jobs are few and far between these days and if something as simple as speaking our native language is what it comes down to between the final two I'm glad to say my children will always have the upper hand! Like it or not the welsh language does exist and is here to stay!
None of the jobs you mention contribute one iota to the wealth of the nation. They are all in the service sector. True value would be in learning a language of practical use in the world of business. German, French, Spanish, Chinese for example. Learning Welsh and using Welsh is the route to dependency and work in non-jobs. That is the reality. Reading books, composing signs (uh hum), translating unnecessary and duplicated documents, teaching people to carry out these tasks yes. But it has no utilitarian use whatsoever.
[quote][p][bold]Ceebee1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ceebee1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ceebee1[/bold] wrote: Is it ignorance or arrogance that leads people in this welsh "city" to believe that our native language is not spoken by anyone. Personally I feel a huge sense of pride and patriotism to hear my children and their cousins and friends speaking the language whilst playing (or quarrelling!). I understand we may be in a minority as welsh speakers but this is changing and will be more evident through the generations to come. Why can't we as a welsh city embrace this and our native language?[/p][/quote]not sure what use you think speakign welsh will be to your children in years to come but each to their own I am concerned about the cost - it might of skipped you notice but newport is a town on its absolute knees (run down does not cut it) yet we can spend millions on some stupid old fashioned language.[/p][/quote]Apart from the benefits of bilingualism that have been shown within the childs abilities e.g creativity, I.Q development, educational results, I also feel that being bilingual will give my children greater job opportunities in the future as well as being more open minded and tolerant of others who are culturally different. I am all for our city being multi cultural but lets not our culture and history be stamped out and forgotten. Yes we are still in the midst of a worldwide recession that has had a dreadful impact on our town/ city and change does need to happen to allow our city to flourish again with limited finances being spent wisely. However, I would be interested to see where exactly our local council spends these millions and millions of pounds on the welsh language..........It evidently is not on the education system![/p][/quote]greater job opportunities please explain maybe a job down the WAG but apart from these NON jobs i cannot see anyone requiring this stupid language[/p][/quote]Teaching, nursing, medical, police, leisure.......to name a few! The opportunities are endless. I don't know if you have applied for a job in wales recently but if so you will have noticed that to be a Welsh speaker is usually a desired attribute for the applicant to have. Jobs are few and far between these days and if something as simple as speaking our native language is what it comes down to between the final two I'm glad to say my children will always have the upper hand! Like it or not the welsh language does exist and is here to stay![/p][/quote]None of the jobs you mention contribute one iota to the wealth of the nation. They are all in the service sector. True value would be in learning a language of practical use in the world of business. German, French, Spanish, Chinese for example. Learning Welsh and using Welsh is the route to dependency and work in non-jobs. That is the reality. Reading books, composing signs (uh hum), translating unnecessary and duplicated documents, teaching people to carry out these tasks yes. But it has no utilitarian use whatsoever. Melvyn The Milk

9:37am Fri 19 Jul 13

Poolerkev says...

Ceebee1 wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
i suspect most who support the welsh language are labour voters and are unemployed or disabled actors so dont care how much money is spent on this nonsence just as long as it doesnt effect there job seekers or incap.
I can assure you that I am not or ever have been unemployed. The fact you have to base your argument on assumptions and other various derogatory remarks only weakens it.
Always a stong argument from The Scrap Man.... Lol
[quote][p][bold]Ceebee1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: i suspect most who support the welsh language are labour voters and are unemployed or disabled actors so dont care how much money is spent on this nonsence just as long as it doesnt effect there job seekers or incap.[/p][/quote]I can assure you that I am not or ever have been unemployed. The fact you have to base your argument on assumptions and other various derogatory remarks only weakens it.[/p][/quote]Always a stong argument from The Scrap Man.... Lol Poolerkev

10:22am Fri 19 Jul 13

Unnecessary Pseudonym says...

A Diagram 952 (No buses) sign would require a traffic order. I assume one has not been made. Any other sign is purely for information purposes and is not enforceable. Additionally it should have white on blue text, not have the appearance of a directional sign or of a panel under an existing sign.
A Diagram 952 (No buses) sign would require a traffic order. I assume one has not been made. Any other sign is purely for information purposes and is not enforceable. Additionally it should have white on blue text, not have the appearance of a directional sign or of a panel under an existing sign. Unnecessary Pseudonym

10:31am Fri 19 Jul 13

Ceebee1 says...

Melvyn The Milk wrote:
Ceebee1 wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
Ceebee1 wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
Ceebee1 wrote:
Is it ignorance or arrogance that leads people in this welsh "city" to believe that our native language is not spoken by anyone. Personally I feel a huge sense of pride and patriotism to hear my children and their cousins and friends speaking the language whilst playing (or quarrelling!). I understand we may be in a minority as welsh speakers but this is changing and will be more evident through the generations to come. Why can't we as a welsh city embrace this and our native language?
not sure what use you think speakign welsh will be to your children in years to come but each to their own I am concerned about the cost - it might of skipped you notice but newport is a town on its absolute knees (run down does not cut it) yet we can spend millions on some stupid old fashioned language.
Apart from the benefits of bilingualism that have been shown within the childs abilities e.g creativity, I.Q development, educational results, I also feel that being bilingual will give my children greater job opportunities in the future as well as being more open minded and tolerant of others who are culturally different. I am all for our city being multi cultural but lets not our culture and history be stamped out and forgotten. Yes we are still in the midst of a worldwide recession that has had a dreadful impact on our town/ city and change does need to happen to allow our city to flourish again with limited finances being spent wisely. However, I would be interested to see where exactly our local council spends these millions and millions of pounds on the welsh language..........It evidently is not on the education system!
greater job opportunities please explain maybe a job down the WAG but apart from these NON jobs i cannot see anyone requiring this stupid language
Teaching, nursing, medical, police, leisure.......to name a few! The opportunities are endless. I don't know if you have applied for a job in wales recently but if so you will have noticed that to be a Welsh speaker is usually a desired attribute for the applicant to have. Jobs are few and far between these days and if something as simple as speaking our native language is what it comes down to between the final two I'm glad to say my children will always have the upper hand! Like it or not the welsh language does exist and is here to stay!
None of the jobs you mention contribute one iota to the wealth of the nation. They are all in the service sector. True value would be in learning a language of practical use in the world of business. German, French, Spanish, Chinese for example. Learning Welsh and using Welsh is the route to dependency and work in non-jobs. That is the reality. Reading books, composing signs (uh hum), translating unnecessary and duplicated documents, teaching people to carry out these tasks yes. But it has no utilitarian use whatsoever.
Are education and health not an important basis for success? Along with a strong identity of who you are, where you came from and where you intend to go....Maybe if the people of Newport took a little more pride in their city along with its history and culture it would be more appealing and attractive to businesses and the like thus generating some wealth......Just a thought
[quote][p][bold]Melvyn The Milk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ceebee1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ceebee1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ceebee1[/bold] wrote: Is it ignorance or arrogance that leads people in this welsh "city" to believe that our native language is not spoken by anyone. Personally I feel a huge sense of pride and patriotism to hear my children and their cousins and friends speaking the language whilst playing (or quarrelling!). I understand we may be in a minority as welsh speakers but this is changing and will be more evident through the generations to come. Why can't we as a welsh city embrace this and our native language?[/p][/quote]not sure what use you think speakign welsh will be to your children in years to come but each to their own I am concerned about the cost - it might of skipped you notice but newport is a town on its absolute knees (run down does not cut it) yet we can spend millions on some stupid old fashioned language.[/p][/quote]Apart from the benefits of bilingualism that have been shown within the childs abilities e.g creativity, I.Q development, educational results, I also feel that being bilingual will give my children greater job opportunities in the future as well as being more open minded and tolerant of others who are culturally different. I am all for our city being multi cultural but lets not our culture and history be stamped out and forgotten. Yes we are still in the midst of a worldwide recession that has had a dreadful impact on our town/ city and change does need to happen to allow our city to flourish again with limited finances being spent wisely. However, I would be interested to see where exactly our local council spends these millions and millions of pounds on the welsh language..........It evidently is not on the education system![/p][/quote]greater job opportunities please explain maybe a job down the WAG but apart from these NON jobs i cannot see anyone requiring this stupid language[/p][/quote]Teaching, nursing, medical, police, leisure.......to name a few! The opportunities are endless. I don't know if you have applied for a job in wales recently but if so you will have noticed that to be a Welsh speaker is usually a desired attribute for the applicant to have. Jobs are few and far between these days and if something as simple as speaking our native language is what it comes down to between the final two I'm glad to say my children will always have the upper hand! Like it or not the welsh language does exist and is here to stay![/p][/quote]None of the jobs you mention contribute one iota to the wealth of the nation. They are all in the service sector. True value would be in learning a language of practical use in the world of business. German, French, Spanish, Chinese for example. Learning Welsh and using Welsh is the route to dependency and work in non-jobs. That is the reality. Reading books, composing signs (uh hum), translating unnecessary and duplicated documents, teaching people to carry out these tasks yes. But it has no utilitarian use whatsoever.[/p][/quote]Are education and health not an important basis for success? Along with a strong identity of who you are, where you came from and where you intend to go....Maybe if the people of Newport took a little more pride in their city along with its history and culture it would be more appealing and attractive to businesses and the like thus generating some wealth......Just a thought Ceebee1

11:44am Fri 19 Jul 13

Melvyn The Milk says...

Ceebee1 wrote:
Melvyn The Milk wrote:
Ceebee1 wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
Ceebee1 wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
Ceebee1 wrote:
Is it ignorance or arrogance that leads people in this welsh "city" to believe that our native language is not spoken by anyone. Personally I feel a huge sense of pride and patriotism to hear my children and their cousins and friends speaking the language whilst playing (or quarrelling!). I understand we may be in a minority as welsh speakers but this is changing and will be more evident through the generations to come. Why can't we as a welsh city embrace this and our native language?
not sure what use you think speakign welsh will be to your children in years to come but each to their own I am concerned about the cost - it might of skipped you notice but newport is a town on its absolute knees (run down does not cut it) yet we can spend millions on some stupid old fashioned language.
Apart from the benefits of bilingualism that have been shown within the childs abilities e.g creativity, I.Q development, educational results, I also feel that being bilingual will give my children greater job opportunities in the future as well as being more open minded and tolerant of others who are culturally different. I am all for our city being multi cultural but lets not our culture and history be stamped out and forgotten. Yes we are still in the midst of a worldwide recession that has had a dreadful impact on our town/ city and change does need to happen to allow our city to flourish again with limited finances being spent wisely. However, I would be interested to see where exactly our local council spends these millions and millions of pounds on the welsh language..........It evidently is not on the education system!
greater job opportunities please explain maybe a job down the WAG but apart from these NON jobs i cannot see anyone requiring this stupid language
Teaching, nursing, medical, police, leisure.......to name a few! The opportunities are endless. I don't know if you have applied for a job in wales recently but if so you will have noticed that to be a Welsh speaker is usually a desired attribute for the applicant to have. Jobs are few and far between these days and if something as simple as speaking our native language is what it comes down to between the final two I'm glad to say my children will always have the upper hand! Like it or not the welsh language does exist and is here to stay!
None of the jobs you mention contribute one iota to the wealth of the nation. They are all in the service sector. True value would be in learning a language of practical use in the world of business. German, French, Spanish, Chinese for example. Learning Welsh and using Welsh is the route to dependency and work in non-jobs. That is the reality. Reading books, composing signs (uh hum), translating unnecessary and duplicated documents, teaching people to carry out these tasks yes. But it has no utilitarian use whatsoever.
Are education and health not an important basis for success? Along with a strong identity of who you are, where you came from and where you intend to go....Maybe if the people of Newport took a little more pride in their city along with its history and culture it would be more appealing and attractive to businesses and the like thus generating some wealth......Just a thought
Health and education underpin hard work and entrepreneurialism but is not necessarily essential for it to flourish. Pride in one's city/town/village stems from pride in oneself which may be linked to employment. Unfortunately, the majority in Wales are largely inward-looking and prone to dependency rather than trying to create wealth. Linguistic skills in useful languages would play a huge part in job and wealth creation. Sadly, our politically-motivate
d educational system thinks otherwise. Children must learn Welsh at all costs. They consider useful languages to be unnecessary now. All we need next is to pull out of Europe then we really will be a Third World country.
[quote][p][bold]Ceebee1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Melvyn The Milk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ceebee1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ceebee1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ceebee1[/bold] wrote: Is it ignorance or arrogance that leads people in this welsh "city" to believe that our native language is not spoken by anyone. Personally I feel a huge sense of pride and patriotism to hear my children and their cousins and friends speaking the language whilst playing (or quarrelling!). I understand we may be in a minority as welsh speakers but this is changing and will be more evident through the generations to come. Why can't we as a welsh city embrace this and our native language?[/p][/quote]not sure what use you think speakign welsh will be to your children in years to come but each to their own I am concerned about the cost - it might of skipped you notice but newport is a town on its absolute knees (run down does not cut it) yet we can spend millions on some stupid old fashioned language.[/p][/quote]Apart from the benefits of bilingualism that have been shown within the childs abilities e.g creativity, I.Q development, educational results, I also feel that being bilingual will give my children greater job opportunities in the future as well as being more open minded and tolerant of others who are culturally different. I am all for our city being multi cultural but lets not our culture and history be stamped out and forgotten. Yes we are still in the midst of a worldwide recession that has had a dreadful impact on our town/ city and change does need to happen to allow our city to flourish again with limited finances being spent wisely. However, I would be interested to see where exactly our local council spends these millions and millions of pounds on the welsh language..........It evidently is not on the education system![/p][/quote]greater job opportunities please explain maybe a job down the WAG but apart from these NON jobs i cannot see anyone requiring this stupid language[/p][/quote]Teaching, nursing, medical, police, leisure.......to name a few! The opportunities are endless. I don't know if you have applied for a job in wales recently but if so you will have noticed that to be a Welsh speaker is usually a desired attribute for the applicant to have. Jobs are few and far between these days and if something as simple as speaking our native language is what it comes down to between the final two I'm glad to say my children will always have the upper hand! Like it or not the welsh language does exist and is here to stay![/p][/quote]None of the jobs you mention contribute one iota to the wealth of the nation. They are all in the service sector. True value would be in learning a language of practical use in the world of business. German, French, Spanish, Chinese for example. Learning Welsh and using Welsh is the route to dependency and work in non-jobs. That is the reality. Reading books, composing signs (uh hum), translating unnecessary and duplicated documents, teaching people to carry out these tasks yes. But it has no utilitarian use whatsoever.[/p][/quote]Are education and health not an important basis for success? Along with a strong identity of who you are, where you came from and where you intend to go....Maybe if the people of Newport took a little more pride in their city along with its history and culture it would be more appealing and attractive to businesses and the like thus generating some wealth......Just a thought[/p][/quote]Health and education underpin hard work and entrepreneurialism but is not necessarily essential for it to flourish. Pride in one's city/town/village stems from pride in oneself which may be linked to employment. Unfortunately, the majority in Wales are largely inward-looking and prone to dependency rather than trying to create wealth. Linguistic skills in useful languages would play a huge part in job and wealth creation. Sadly, our politically-motivate d educational system thinks otherwise. Children must learn Welsh at all costs. They consider useful languages to be unnecessary now. All we need next is to pull out of Europe then we really will be a Third World country. Melvyn The Milk

6:41pm Fri 19 Jul 13

larneman says...

scraptheWAG wrote:
what utter nonsense. does this backward council really think that residents in Newport (no better now than a few run down empty buildings alonmg side of the m4) really care about welsh language signs.
We should all care about the Welsh language. Remember your history. The English wanted to kill off the oldest living language in europe. Long may the Welsh language continue. It is to my utter shame that I was never able to speak it.
[quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: what utter nonsense. does this backward council really think that residents in Newport (no better now than a few run down empty buildings alonmg side of the m4) really care about welsh language signs.[/p][/quote]We should all care about the Welsh language. Remember your history. The English wanted to kill off the oldest living language in europe. Long may the Welsh language continue. It is to my utter shame that I was never able to speak it. larneman

7:10pm Fri 19 Jul 13

Melvyn The Milk says...

OK......for academics maybe. Translators of signs and people working in DVLA or the useless debating chamber. But what possible purpose does it serve? It does nothing to develop the GDP of the nation. If anything, it holds us back...locks us into a dependency culture.
OK......for academics maybe. Translators of signs and people working in DVLA or the useless debating chamber. But what possible purpose does it serve? It does nothing to develop the GDP of the nation. If anything, it holds us back...locks us into a dependency culture. Melvyn The Milk

7:14pm Fri 19 Jul 13

scraptheWAG says...

I am going to write to my AM John griffiths and ask how they justify paying someone that translates welsh books the same as a doctor (100K)
I am going to write to my AM John griffiths and ask how they justify paying someone that translates welsh books the same as a doctor (100K) scraptheWAG

8:52pm Fri 19 Jul 13

scraptheWAG says...

i wonder how long it will take for labour to drive wales to bankrupcy
i wonder how long it will take for labour to drive wales to bankrupcy scraptheWAG

10:46pm Fri 19 Jul 13

Poolerkev says...

scraptheWAG wrote:
i wonder how long it will take for labour to drive wales to bankrupcy
If I were you I would be posting on here to scrap the WAG! Now there's an idea...... Hahahaha.....

You never know, you may have something sensible to say when that one is sorted!
[quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: i wonder how long it will take for labour to drive wales to bankrupcy[/p][/quote]If I were you I would be posting on here to scrap the WAG! Now there's an idea...... Hahahaha..... You never know, you may have something sensible to say when that one is sorted! Poolerkev

11:02pm Fri 19 Jul 13

taffymark says...

What language do they speak in Pill then? Just wondered!
What language do they speak in Pill then? Just wondered! taffymark

9:19am Sat 20 Jul 13

Llanmartinangel says...

taffymark wrote:
What language do they speak in Pill then? Just wondered!
Their kids are taught Welsh as a compulsory subject though so they will know something of their 'Welsh' heritage. The lunacy of that reality doesn't worry any of the idiots who pass our laws at all.
[quote][p][bold]taffymark[/bold] wrote: What language do they speak in Pill then? Just wondered![/p][/quote]Their kids are taught Welsh as a compulsory subject though so they will know something of their 'Welsh' heritage. The lunacy of that reality doesn't worry any of the idiots who pass our laws at all. Llanmartinangel

9:58am Sat 20 Jul 13

Melvyn The Milk says...

I entered a junior school in Pill not so long back and was amazed to see the sign giving instructions as to the layout of the school in three languages. First Welsh, then Urdu, then English. The Welsh-speaking population of Pill is 0.76%. I don't know about Urdu but English is definitely the official language in that neck of the woods. Well at least that was the language used to offer me drugs and stolen goods a few times during my two mile walk to the school and back. Makes you wonder who makes these decisions about signs.
I entered a junior school in Pill not so long back and was amazed to see the sign giving instructions as to the layout of the school in three languages. First Welsh, then Urdu, then English. The Welsh-speaking population of Pill is 0.76%. I don't know about Urdu but English is definitely the official language in that neck of the woods. Well at least that was the language used to offer me drugs and stolen goods a few times during my two mile walk to the school and back. Makes you wonder who makes these decisions about signs. Melvyn The Milk

1:39pm Sat 20 Jul 13

Radio Wales says...

ExNewport wrote:
Typical ignorance from the people of Newport, no wonder it's such a dump being inhabited by the likes of the majority of posters on here.
Ignorance. The word is defined as a state of a lack of education. It is not the same as stupid or biased, so no marks for your comment which is unbecoming of someone trying to convey a point

We are so blessed with world-class education that we are flawlessly taught to master the language of our birth.

(Break here for the gales of laughter to subside)

For people in south-east Wales, English IS our native language, you simply cannot alter the facts no matter how much your ideology demands it.

So, by definition Welsh is an alien tongue to us. Because we are so hard-up, they cannot even teach English to the standards taught in Europe, let alone expect us to learn an alien language that few in the world understand. Little wonder then, we may be ignorant.

My maxim is that one should learn to communicate satisfactorily in one's native language before venturing into another.

Furthermore, if the use of a language has to be enforced in it's own home country then the only definition I can assign to it is - Dead. (But won't lie down)
[quote][p][bold]ExNewport[/bold] wrote: Typical ignorance from the people of Newport, no wonder it's such a dump being inhabited by the likes of the majority of posters on here.[/p][/quote]Ignorance. The word is defined as a state of a lack of education. It is not the same as stupid or biased, so no marks for your comment which is unbecoming of someone trying to convey a point We are so blessed with world-class education that we are flawlessly taught to master the language of our birth. (Break here for the gales of laughter to subside) For people in south-east Wales, English IS our native language, you simply cannot alter the facts no matter how much your ideology demands it. So, by definition Welsh is an alien tongue to us. Because we are so hard-up, they cannot even teach English to the standards taught in Europe, let alone expect us to learn an alien language that few in the world understand. Little wonder then, we may be ignorant. My maxim is that one should learn to communicate satisfactorily in one's native language before venturing into another. Furthermore, if the use of a language has to be enforced in it's own home country then the only definition I can assign to it is - Dead. (But won't lie down) Radio Wales

3:48pm Sat 20 Jul 13

ncfcr says...

Can't be bothered to read all 70-odd comments, but having any signs in Welsh around Newport is a complete waste of time and, more importantly, money.
Can't be bothered to read all 70-odd comments, but having any signs in Welsh around Newport is a complete waste of time and, more importantly, money. ncfcr

3:58pm Sat 20 Jul 13

steve4377 says...

Like my Dad used to say. The Welsh language was outlawed by the English and the English only allowed the Welsh to have formal education institutions if no Welsh was taught.
Little wonder the language suffered.

Great to see Wales now fighting for it's very language. Can't wait to see the Argus article whereupon people argue about the translation and spelling from the Welsh to the Engleesh.

Might be a few years away, but it will come one day.

Study the words of your national anthem well. It cries the pain of suppression of the Welsh language.

Fight the good fight...Keep a magnificent culture alive. If you live there carry the torch. If you can't carry the torch...get out.

My grandmother was the last Welsh speaker in my family. Don't let yours be the last in your family.

My father also said that South Wales has the highest proportion of castles in the world and the blood of the South Welsh protected the North Welsh from losing the language. It may be incumbent then for the North Welsh to proudly be the keepers and to ensure that in time the whole of Wales is re-united in it's common language.

As one born in St Woolas Hospital, let me say.

Proud of your work...

Steve LANE
Cairns QLD Australia
Like my Dad used to say. The Welsh language was outlawed by the English and the English only allowed the Welsh to have formal education institutions if no Welsh was taught. Little wonder the language suffered. Great to see Wales now fighting for it's very language. Can't wait to see the Argus article whereupon people argue about the translation and spelling from the Welsh to the Engleesh. Might be a few years away, but it will come one day. Study the words of your national anthem well. It cries the pain of suppression of the Welsh language. Fight the good fight...Keep a magnificent culture alive. If you live there carry the torch. If you can't carry the torch...get out. My grandmother was the last Welsh speaker in my family. Don't let yours be the last in your family. My father also said that South Wales has the highest proportion of castles in the world and the blood of the South Welsh protected the North Welsh from losing the language. It may be incumbent then for the North Welsh to proudly be the keepers and to ensure that in time the whole of Wales is re-united in it's common language. As one born in St Woolas Hospital, let me say. Proud of your work... Steve LANE Cairns QLD Australia steve4377

4:44pm Sat 20 Jul 13

Llanmartinangel says...

Radio Wales wrote:
ExNewport wrote:
Typical ignorance from the people of Newport, no wonder it's such a dump being inhabited by the likes of the majority of posters on here.
Ignorance. The word is defined as a state of a lack of education. It is not the same as stupid or biased, so no marks for your comment which is unbecoming of someone trying to convey a point

We are so blessed with world-class education that we are flawlessly taught to master the language of our birth.

(Break here for the gales of laughter to subside)

For people in south-east Wales, English IS our native language, you simply cannot alter the facts no matter how much your ideology demands it.

So, by definition Welsh is an alien tongue to us. Because we are so hard-up, they cannot even teach English to the standards taught in Europe, let alone expect us to learn an alien language that few in the world understand. Little wonder then, we may be ignorant.

My maxim is that one should learn to communicate satisfactorily in one's native language before venturing into another.

Furthermore, if the use of a language has to be enforced in it's own home country then the only definition I can assign to it is - Dead. (But won't lie down)
Superb post, but I particularly like this bit:
Furthermore, if the use of a language has to be enforced in it's own home country then the only definition I can assign to it is - Dead. (But won't lie down).
You could add a previous contributors comment about needing a Welsh Language Commissioner on nearly £100K to try and resuscitate it.
[quote][p][bold]Radio Wales[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ExNewport[/bold] wrote: Typical ignorance from the people of Newport, no wonder it's such a dump being inhabited by the likes of the majority of posters on here.[/p][/quote]Ignorance. The word is defined as a state of a lack of education. It is not the same as stupid or biased, so no marks for your comment which is unbecoming of someone trying to convey a point We are so blessed with world-class education that we are flawlessly taught to master the language of our birth. (Break here for the gales of laughter to subside) For people in south-east Wales, English IS our native language, you simply cannot alter the facts no matter how much your ideology demands it. So, by definition Welsh is an alien tongue to us. Because we are so hard-up, they cannot even teach English to the standards taught in Europe, let alone expect us to learn an alien language that few in the world understand. Little wonder then, we may be ignorant. My maxim is that one should learn to communicate satisfactorily in one's native language before venturing into another. Furthermore, if the use of a language has to be enforced in it's own home country then the only definition I can assign to it is - Dead. (But won't lie down)[/p][/quote]Superb post, but I particularly like this bit: Furthermore, if the use of a language has to be enforced in it's own home country then the only definition I can assign to it is - Dead. (But won't lie down). You could add a previous contributors comment about needing a Welsh Language Commissioner on nearly £100K to try and resuscitate it. Llanmartinangel

4:48pm Sat 20 Jul 13

Llanmartinangel says...

steve4377 wrote:
Like my Dad used to say. The Welsh language was outlawed by the English and the English only allowed the Welsh to have formal education institutions if no Welsh was taught.
Little wonder the language suffered.

Great to see Wales now fighting for it's very language. Can't wait to see the Argus article whereupon people argue about the translation and spelling from the Welsh to the Engleesh.

Might be a few years away, but it will come one day.

Study the words of your national anthem well. It cries the pain of suppression of the Welsh language.

Fight the good fight...Keep a magnificent culture alive. If you live there carry the torch. If you can't carry the torch...get out.

My grandmother was the last Welsh speaker in my family. Don't let yours be the last in your family.

My father also said that South Wales has the highest proportion of castles in the world and the blood of the South Welsh protected the North Welsh from losing the language. It may be incumbent then for the North Welsh to proudly be the keepers and to ensure that in time the whole of Wales is re-united in it's common language.

As one born in St Woolas Hospital, let me say.

Proud of your work...

Steve LANE
Cairns QLD Australia
You can afford that view because you don't live here seeing your relatives queue in hospitals for life-saving treatment because the knuckle dragging politicos have wasted the money on frivolous expenditure mate. St Woolos hospital is a disgrace now. I'm reminded of Sean Connery who campaigns for Scottish independence. (From his home in the South of France).
[quote][p][bold]steve4377[/bold] wrote: Like my Dad used to say. The Welsh language was outlawed by the English and the English only allowed the Welsh to have formal education institutions if no Welsh was taught. Little wonder the language suffered. Great to see Wales now fighting for it's very language. Can't wait to see the Argus article whereupon people argue about the translation and spelling from the Welsh to the Engleesh. Might be a few years away, but it will come one day. Study the words of your national anthem well. It cries the pain of suppression of the Welsh language. Fight the good fight...Keep a magnificent culture alive. If you live there carry the torch. If you can't carry the torch...get out. My grandmother was the last Welsh speaker in my family. Don't let yours be the last in your family. My father also said that South Wales has the highest proportion of castles in the world and the blood of the South Welsh protected the North Welsh from losing the language. It may be incumbent then for the North Welsh to proudly be the keepers and to ensure that in time the whole of Wales is re-united in it's common language. As one born in St Woolas Hospital, let me say. Proud of your work... Steve LANE Cairns QLD Australia[/p][/quote]You can afford that view because you don't live here seeing your relatives queue in hospitals for life-saving treatment because the knuckle dragging politicos have wasted the money on frivolous expenditure mate. St Woolos hospital is a disgrace now. I'm reminded of Sean Connery who campaigns for Scottish independence. (From his home in the South of France). Llanmartinangel

5:51pm Sat 20 Jul 13

Floppy backed says...

white white wrote:
Jazztap wrote:
The Welsh language isn't spoken in Newport. Hardly at all in Cardiff. And not at all in Chepstow. Nor hardly anywhere nearby. It is realistic to have sympathy with the suggestion of road signs in, perhaps, Polish, Chinese, Urdu, etc , because of the large numbers who do speak & read these languages. Just keep Welsh Language signs for areas where the Welsh language is common - But we all know that they will still be unnecessary., don't we ? .
Welsh is spoken in newport and
On the increase and even on the
Increase in Monmouth just because
You don't hear it doesn't mean
It's not being used .
Really? Isnt it a fact that the number of welsh speakers are in decline?

People dont confuse culture & history with speaking the language - there is loads of culture in Scotland!

As for schools - well if you can find a teacher who feels that the extra time spent on Welsh is a benefit - you'll be lucky to find a handful. With the curriculum full as it is and with the additional training it is a burden and most teachers I know absolutely hate it. My son learns a bit but I have no intention of pushing him on it - he doesnt care nor do I the least time spent on it more time spent on the basic elements of teaching. And unless you intend to work for WAG what use? I also run a business and think its disgraceful when I am tendering for jobs I lose points because we offer no language policy and no interpretation - highly useful on a construction site with a handful of excellent employees - am I supposed to insist on application forms that my handful of employees speak welsh? Its a joke. As for WAG the majority of Wales didnt vote them in. It should be open to chose and not forced on us. As for schools, well with the state of them need I say no more!
[quote][p][bold]white white[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jazztap[/bold] wrote: The Welsh language isn't spoken in Newport. Hardly at all in Cardiff. And not at all in Chepstow. Nor hardly anywhere nearby. It is realistic to have sympathy with the suggestion of road signs in, perhaps, Polish, Chinese, Urdu, etc , because of the large numbers who do speak & read these languages. Just keep Welsh Language signs for areas where the Welsh language is common - But we all know that they will still be unnecessary., don't we ? .[/p][/quote]Welsh is spoken in newport and On the increase and even on the Increase in Monmouth just because You don't hear it doesn't mean It's not being used .[/p][/quote]Really? Isnt it a fact that the number of welsh speakers are in decline? People dont confuse culture & history with speaking the language - there is loads of culture in Scotland! As for schools - well if you can find a teacher who feels that the extra time spent on Welsh is a benefit - you'll be lucky to find a handful. With the curriculum full as it is and with the additional training it is a burden and most teachers I know absolutely hate it. My son learns a bit but I have no intention of pushing him on it - he doesnt care nor do I the least time spent on it more time spent on the basic elements of teaching. And unless you intend to work for WAG what use? I also run a business and think its disgraceful when I am tendering for jobs I lose points because we offer no language policy and no interpretation - highly useful on a construction site with a handful of excellent employees - am I supposed to insist on application forms that my handful of employees speak welsh? Its a joke. As for WAG the majority of Wales didnt vote them in. It should be open to chose and not forced on us. As for schools, well with the state of them need I say no more! Floppy backed

5:58pm Sat 20 Jul 13

Floppy backed says...

larneman wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
what utter nonsense. does this backward council really think that residents in Newport (no better now than a few run down empty buildings alonmg side of the m4) really care about welsh language signs.
We should all care about the Welsh language. Remember your history. The English wanted to kill off the oldest living language in europe. Long may the Welsh language continue. It is to my utter shame that I was never able to speak it.
History is wonderful but times change and we have to drive forward, things evolve and sorry to say some things have to be pushed to the wayside. More culture in old buildings and castles we should be concentrating on them. Its impossible to force your 'inspirations' on the majority and its like saying bring back the horse and cart to sort out road pollution - nice idea but it aint gonna happen. Dont dwell on it move forward putting aims into more productive things that will take the country forward and benefit the people. Welsh will not do this and its a complete waste of resources and time even considering it.
[quote][p][bold]larneman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: what utter nonsense. does this backward council really think that residents in Newport (no better now than a few run down empty buildings alonmg side of the m4) really care about welsh language signs.[/p][/quote]We should all care about the Welsh language. Remember your history. The English wanted to kill off the oldest living language in europe. Long may the Welsh language continue. It is to my utter shame that I was never able to speak it.[/p][/quote]History is wonderful but times change and we have to drive forward, things evolve and sorry to say some things have to be pushed to the wayside. More culture in old buildings and castles we should be concentrating on them. Its impossible to force your 'inspirations' on the majority and its like saying bring back the horse and cart to sort out road pollution - nice idea but it aint gonna happen. Dont dwell on it move forward putting aims into more productive things that will take the country forward and benefit the people. Welsh will not do this and its a complete waste of resources and time even considering it. Floppy backed

8:19pm Sat 20 Jul 13

scraptheWAG says...

unfortunately Wales is stuck in a rut they all vote labour (because of the benefit dependency) labour they take the pi** and spend the grant money on their pet project and lining their own pockets look at the salaries at the WAG
unfortunately Wales is stuck in a rut they all vote labour (because of the benefit dependency) labour they take the pi** and spend the grant money on their pet project and lining their own pockets look at the salaries at the WAG scraptheWAG

8:25pm Sat 20 Jul 13

blackandamber says...

This is my last post. I consider my self Welsh. I was born in Wales and I dare say I am going to die in Wales and I love my little country warts and all, but I have to say some things reach the end of their useful lives and I'm sorry to say that a language used by less than 20% of the population and declining year on year is doomed. The language of the UK is ENGLISH get over it.
This is my last post. I consider my self Welsh. I was born in Wales and I dare say I am going to die in Wales and I love my little country warts and all, but I have to say some things reach the end of their useful lives and I'm sorry to say that a language used by less than 20% of the population and declining year on year is doomed. The language of the UK is ENGLISH get over it. blackandamber

8:49pm Sat 20 Jul 13

scraptheWAG says...

steve4377 wrote:
Like my Dad used to say. The Welsh language was outlawed by the English and the English only allowed the Welsh to have formal education institutions if no Welsh was taught.
Little wonder the language suffered.

Great to see Wales now fighting for it's very language. Can't wait to see the Argus article whereupon people argue about the translation and spelling from the Welsh to the Engleesh.

Might be a few years away, but it will come one day.

Study the words of your national anthem well. It cries the pain of suppression of the Welsh language.

Fight the good fight...Keep a magnificent culture alive. If you live there carry the torch. If you can't carry the torch...get out.

My grandmother was the last Welsh speaker in my family. Don't let yours be the last in your family.

My father also said that South Wales has the highest proportion of castles in the world and the blood of the South Welsh protected the North Welsh from losing the language. It may be incumbent then for the North Welsh to proudly be the keepers and to ensure that in time the whole of Wales is re-united in it's common language.

As one born in St Woolas Hospital, let me say.

Proud of your work...

Steve LANE
Cairns QLD Australia
good god its no wonder that wales is the poorest nations in western europe and sinking fast
[quote][p][bold]steve4377[/bold] wrote: Like my Dad used to say. The Welsh language was outlawed by the English and the English only allowed the Welsh to have formal education institutions if no Welsh was taught. Little wonder the language suffered. Great to see Wales now fighting for it's very language. Can't wait to see the Argus article whereupon people argue about the translation and spelling from the Welsh to the Engleesh. Might be a few years away, but it will come one day. Study the words of your national anthem well. It cries the pain of suppression of the Welsh language. Fight the good fight...Keep a magnificent culture alive. If you live there carry the torch. If you can't carry the torch...get out. My grandmother was the last Welsh speaker in my family. Don't let yours be the last in your family. My father also said that South Wales has the highest proportion of castles in the world and the blood of the South Welsh protected the North Welsh from losing the language. It may be incumbent then for the North Welsh to proudly be the keepers and to ensure that in time the whole of Wales is re-united in it's common language. As one born in St Woolas Hospital, let me say. Proud of your work... Steve LANE Cairns QLD Australia[/p][/quote]good god its no wonder that wales is the poorest nations in western europe and sinking fast scraptheWAG

9:03pm Sat 20 Jul 13

altom23 says...

As a proud citizen of Newport I feel very sad reading the above negative comments regarding the Welsh language. I really can not believe that there are people in this day age still so anti both our Language and our Country. We read comments from such posters as ScraptheWAG decrying the Welsh Government. The poor person is living in the last centaury. You have lost that battle on two occasions now so let it rest!

Coming back to the Welsh Language here are some statistics direct from the ONS at Tredegar Park
Torfaen No of Welsh speakers 12742 14.5% of population
Newport No of Welsh speakers 17622 13.4% of population
BlaenauGwent No of Welsh speakers 9026 13.3% of population
Monmouthshire No of Welsh speakers 10590 12.9% of population

Therefore in the so called Old Gwent region we have approx. 50,000 fluent Welsh speakers That is a significant number and is increasing every day.
I rest my case!!
As a proud citizen of Newport I feel very sad reading the above negative comments regarding the Welsh language. I really can not believe that there are people in this day age still so anti both our Language and our Country. We read comments from such posters as ScraptheWAG decrying the Welsh Government. The poor person is living in the last centaury. You have lost that battle on two occasions now so let it rest! Coming back to the Welsh Language here are some statistics direct from the ONS at Tredegar Park Torfaen No of Welsh speakers 12742 14.5% of population Newport No of Welsh speakers 17622 13.4% of population BlaenauGwent No of Welsh speakers 9026 13.3% of population Monmouthshire No of Welsh speakers 10590 12.9% of population Therefore in the so called Old Gwent region we have approx. 50,000 fluent Welsh speakers That is a significant number and is increasing every day. I rest my case!! altom23

9:48pm Sat 20 Jul 13

Melvyn The Milk says...

The language of Europe, the world and especially the business world is English, more worryingly.
The language of Europe, the world and especially the business world is English, more worryingly. Melvyn The Milk

10:03pm Sat 20 Jul 13

Melvyn The Milk says...

Who do we intend to do business with in an independent Wales? North Wales and Patagonia?
Who do we intend to do business with in an independent Wales? North Wales and Patagonia? Melvyn The Milk

10:46pm Sat 20 Jul 13

Llanmartinangel says...

altom23 wrote:
As a proud citizen of Newport I feel very sad reading the above negative comments regarding the Welsh language. I really can not believe that there are people in this day age still so anti both our Language and our Country. We read comments from such posters as ScraptheWAG decrying the Welsh Government. The poor person is living in the last centaury. You have lost that battle on two occasions now so let it rest!

Coming back to the Welsh Language here are some statistics direct from the ONS at Tredegar Park
Torfaen No of Welsh speakers 12742 14.5% of population
Newport No of Welsh speakers 17622 13.4% of population
BlaenauGwent No of Welsh speakers 9026 13.3% of population
Monmouthshire No of Welsh speakers 10590 12.9% of population

Therefore in the so called Old Gwent region we have approx. 50,000 fluent Welsh speakers That is a significant number and is increasing every day.
I rest my case!!
What? Really???

http://www.walesonli
ne.co.uk/news/wales-
news/fall-welsh-spea
kers-crisis-language
-2013532

I rest MY case
[quote][p][bold]altom23[/bold] wrote: As a proud citizen of Newport I feel very sad reading the above negative comments regarding the Welsh language. I really can not believe that there are people in this day age still so anti both our Language and our Country. We read comments from such posters as ScraptheWAG decrying the Welsh Government. The poor person is living in the last centaury. You have lost that battle on two occasions now so let it rest! Coming back to the Welsh Language here are some statistics direct from the ONS at Tredegar Park Torfaen No of Welsh speakers 12742 14.5% of population Newport No of Welsh speakers 17622 13.4% of population BlaenauGwent No of Welsh speakers 9026 13.3% of population Monmouthshire No of Welsh speakers 10590 12.9% of population Therefore in the so called Old Gwent region we have approx. 50,000 fluent Welsh speakers That is a significant number and is increasing every day. I rest my case!![/p][/quote]What? Really??? http://www.walesonli ne.co.uk/news/wales- news/fall-welsh-spea kers-crisis-language -2013532 I rest MY case Llanmartinangel

10:05am Sun 21 Jul 13

Melvyn The Milk says...

I quote one of the contributors to that thread.
'I have a three year old niece and I'm pretty sure she couldn't tell you what language she speaks. The parents, as they obviously answer on their children's behalf, are distorting the figures showing a greater number of welsh speakers than there actually is.'
This is the reality. Parents put crosses in boxes wherever they want and the figures get very distorted. 50,000 fluent Welsh speakers in Gwent? They must all live in an enclave somewhere in the Brecon Beacons then. Let's stop playing politics with our children and give them a rigorous education fit for the 21st Century so they can compete in the global job market fairly. After all, the vast majority of young Europeans can speak at least three languages fluently by the time they are 17 years old.
I quote one of the contributors to that thread. 'I have a three year old niece and I'm pretty sure she couldn't tell you what language she speaks. The parents, as they obviously answer on their children's behalf, are distorting the figures showing a greater number of welsh speakers than there actually is.' This is the reality. Parents put crosses in boxes wherever they want and the figures get very distorted. 50,000 fluent Welsh speakers in Gwent? They must all live in an enclave somewhere in the Brecon Beacons then. Let's stop playing politics with our children and give them a rigorous education fit for the 21st Century so they can compete in the global job market fairly. After all, the vast majority of young Europeans can speak at least three languages fluently by the time they are 17 years old. Melvyn The Milk

10:07am Sun 21 Jul 13

Melvyn The Milk says...

Oops. I meant the Black Mountains.
Oops. I meant the Black Mountains. Melvyn The Milk

12:33pm Sun 21 Jul 13

Lynne Ann Thomas says...

We are so very fortunate to be living in a country where we have the chance to be bilingual.

All children in schools in Wales learn Welsh - and there are many schools in Wales now that educated solely through the medium of Welsh.

I've travelled in many countries and bilingualism is considered the norm.

Approximately one fifth of the population of Wales speaks Welsh and when questioned over 75% of parents in Gwent said they would like to have their children educated through the medium of Welsh.

It therefore seems very silly that we cannot manage to put on public signs the indigenous language of Wales correctly.

It boils down to incompetence and lack proof reading skills by someone.

You cannot get a dictionary out and hope for the best!

Read these and you will see incompetence is endemic.

http://englisbabus.c
om/roadsigns.html
We are so very fortunate to be living in a country where we have the chance to be bilingual. All children in schools in Wales learn Welsh - and there are many schools in Wales now that educated solely through the medium of Welsh. I've travelled in many countries and bilingualism is considered the norm. Approximately one fifth of the population of Wales speaks Welsh and when questioned over 75% of parents in Gwent said they would like to have their children educated through the medium of Welsh. It therefore seems very silly that we cannot manage to put on public signs the indigenous language of Wales correctly. It boils down to incompetence and lack proof reading skills by someone. You cannot get a dictionary out and hope for the best! Read these and you will see incompetence is endemic. http://englisbabus.c om/roadsigns.html Lynne Ann Thomas

1:12pm Sun 21 Jul 13

welshmen says...

scraptheWAG wrote:
i suspect most who support the welsh language are labour voters and are unemployed or disabled actors so dont care how much money is spent on this nonsence just as long as it doesnt effect there job seekers or incap.
Scrapthewag: i am non of the above.

You seem to have a massive problem with the WAG spending millions£ on our Language.

Firstly are you Welsh? and do you not consider £14 Billion of UK money and rising on Foreign Aid to non British people a big problem, or are you ok with that?

This a Welsh Country, learning to speaking Welsh is on the increase as mentioned on post's here, if you went to China you would expect the people to speak Chinese, same as any other Country you visit, they are entitled by culture to use their
mother tongue.

The Welsh were outlawed for using their language by the English, time to get more of us speaking it, ca a 'n glws ddiwrnod....lol
[quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: i suspect most who support the welsh language are labour voters and are unemployed or disabled actors so dont care how much money is spent on this nonsence just as long as it doesnt effect there job seekers or incap.[/p][/quote]Scrapthewag: i am non of the above. You seem to have a massive problem with the WAG spending millions£ on our Language. Firstly are you Welsh? and do you not consider £14 Billion of UK money and rising on Foreign Aid to non British people a big problem, or are you ok with that? This a Welsh Country, learning to speaking Welsh is on the increase as mentioned on post's here, if you went to China you would expect the people to speak Chinese, same as any other Country you visit, they are entitled by culture to use their mother tongue. The Welsh were outlawed for using their language by the English, time to get more of us speaking it, ca a 'n glws ddiwrnod....lol welshmen

2:05pm Sun 21 Jul 13

Llanmartinangel says...

welshmen wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
i suspect most who support the welsh language are labour voters and are unemployed or disabled actors so dont care how much money is spent on this nonsence just as long as it doesnt effect there job seekers or incap.
Scrapthewag: i am non of the above.

You seem to have a massive problem with the WAG spending millions£ on our Language.

Firstly are you Welsh? and do you not consider £14 Billion of UK money and rising on Foreign Aid to non British people a big problem, or are you ok with that?

This a Welsh Country, learning to speaking Welsh is on the increase as mentioned on post's here, if you went to China you would expect the people to speak Chinese, same as any other Country you visit, they are entitled by culture to use their
mother tongue.

The Welsh were outlawed for using their language by the English, time to get more of us speaking it, ca a 'n glws ddiwrnod....lol
Welsh is on the increase? Do yourself a favour and actually READ this:

http://www.walesonli
ne.co.uk/news/wales-
news/fall-welsh-spea
kers-crisis-language
-2013532

And bear in mind that that is after spending £1 billion in the last eight years. Imagine what that money could really have done for Wales. If such outrageous extravagance couldn't stem the decline then nothing will.
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: i suspect most who support the welsh language are labour voters and are unemployed or disabled actors so dont care how much money is spent on this nonsence just as long as it doesnt effect there job seekers or incap.[/p][/quote]Scrapthewag: i am non of the above. You seem to have a massive problem with the WAG spending millions£ on our Language. Firstly are you Welsh? and do you not consider £14 Billion of UK money and rising on Foreign Aid to non British people a big problem, or are you ok with that? This a Welsh Country, learning to speaking Welsh is on the increase as mentioned on post's here, if you went to China you would expect the people to speak Chinese, same as any other Country you visit, they are entitled by culture to use their mother tongue. The Welsh were outlawed for using their language by the English, time to get more of us speaking it, ca a 'n glws ddiwrnod....lol[/p][/quote]Welsh is on the increase? Do yourself a favour and actually READ this: http://www.walesonli ne.co.uk/news/wales- news/fall-welsh-spea kers-crisis-language -2013532 And bear in mind that that is after spending £1 billion in the last eight years. Imagine what that money could really have done for Wales. If such outrageous extravagance couldn't stem the decline then nothing will. Llanmartinangel

2:15pm Sun 21 Jul 13

scraptheWAG says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
welshmen wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
i suspect most who support the welsh language are labour voters and are unemployed or disabled actors so dont care how much money is spent on this nonsence just as long as it doesnt effect there job seekers or incap.
Scrapthewag: i am non of the above.

You seem to have a massive problem with the WAG spending millions£ on our Language.

Firstly are you Welsh? and do you not consider £14 Billion of UK money and rising on Foreign Aid to non British people a big problem, or are you ok with that?

This a Welsh Country, learning to speaking Welsh is on the increase as mentioned on post's here, if you went to China you would expect the people to speak Chinese, same as any other Country you visit, they are entitled by culture to use their
mother tongue.

The Welsh were outlawed for using their language by the English, time to get more of us speaking it, ca a 'n glws ddiwrnod....lol
Welsh is on the increase? Do yourself a favour and actually READ this:

http://www.walesonli

ne.co.uk/news/wales-

news/fall-welsh-spea

kers-crisis-language

-2013532

And bear in mind that that is after spending £1 billion in the last eight years. Imagine what that money could really have done for Wales. If such outrageous extravagance couldn't stem the decline then nothing will.
no i think most money on foreign aid is wasted . Much like the aid given to wales.

it should be spent on getting rid of severn bridge fees and improving the road network in wales and funding for training etc.

Instead as in zimbabwi and other poor countries the WAG spend the money on their little pet projects and go into their own pockets. Who has benefited from the formation of the WAG not the people of Wales, the old labour cronies have had millions.
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: i suspect most who support the welsh language are labour voters and are unemployed or disabled actors so dont care how much money is spent on this nonsence just as long as it doesnt effect there job seekers or incap.[/p][/quote]Scrapthewag: i am non of the above. You seem to have a massive problem with the WAG spending millions£ on our Language. Firstly are you Welsh? and do you not consider £14 Billion of UK money and rising on Foreign Aid to non British people a big problem, or are you ok with that? This a Welsh Country, learning to speaking Welsh is on the increase as mentioned on post's here, if you went to China you would expect the people to speak Chinese, same as any other Country you visit, they are entitled by culture to use their mother tongue. The Welsh were outlawed for using their language by the English, time to get more of us speaking it, ca a 'n glws ddiwrnod....lol[/p][/quote]Welsh is on the increase? Do yourself a favour and actually READ this: http://www.walesonli ne.co.uk/news/wales- news/fall-welsh-spea kers-crisis-language -2013532 And bear in mind that that is after spending £1 billion in the last eight years. Imagine what that money could really have done for Wales. If such outrageous extravagance couldn't stem the decline then nothing will.[/p][/quote]no i think most money on foreign aid is wasted . Much like the aid given to wales. it should be spent on getting rid of severn bridge fees and improving the road network in wales and funding for training etc. Instead as in zimbabwi and other poor countries the WAG spend the money on their little pet projects and go into their own pockets. Who has benefited from the formation of the WAG not the people of Wales, the old labour cronies have had millions. scraptheWAG

3:09pm Sun 21 Jul 13

welshmen says...

altom23 wrote:
As a proud citizen of Newport I feel very sad reading the above negative comments regarding the Welsh language. I really can not believe that there are people in this day age still so anti both our Language and our Country. We read comments from such posters as ScraptheWAG decrying the Welsh Government. The poor person is living in the last centaury. You have lost that battle on two occasions now so let it rest!

Coming back to the Welsh Language here are some statistics direct from the ONS at Tredegar Park
Torfaen No of Welsh speakers 12742 14.5% of population
Newport No of Welsh speakers 17622 13.4% of population
BlaenauGwent No of Welsh speakers 9026 13.3% of population
Monmouthshire No of Welsh speakers 10590 12.9% of population

Therefore in the so called Old Gwent region we have approx. 50,000 fluent Welsh speakers That is a significant number and is increasing every day.
I rest my case!!
scrapthewag: are you Welsh?

The above is more to the facts, there might be a slight decrease in Welsh speakers as of the last census, but that has been overtaken by new people learning Welsh, like our kids in school....
[quote][p][bold]altom23[/bold] wrote: As a proud citizen of Newport I feel very sad reading the above negative comments regarding the Welsh language. I really can not believe that there are people in this day age still so anti both our Language and our Country. We read comments from such posters as ScraptheWAG decrying the Welsh Government. The poor person is living in the last centaury. You have lost that battle on two occasions now so let it rest! Coming back to the Welsh Language here are some statistics direct from the ONS at Tredegar Park Torfaen No of Welsh speakers 12742 14.5% of population Newport No of Welsh speakers 17622 13.4% of population BlaenauGwent No of Welsh speakers 9026 13.3% of population Monmouthshire No of Welsh speakers 10590 12.9% of population Therefore in the so called Old Gwent region we have approx. 50,000 fluent Welsh speakers That is a significant number and is increasing every day. I rest my case!![/p][/quote]scrapthewag: are you Welsh? The above is more to the facts, there might be a slight decrease in Welsh speakers as of the last census, but that has been overtaken by new people learning Welsh, like our kids in school.... welshmen

3:25pm Sun 21 Jul 13

Llanmartinangel says...

You do realise how big a billion is don't you Welshmen? A 1 with 9 noughts after it. Question then: if its a living language, why the need for such a large amount only for it to decline anyway?
You do realise how big a billion is don't you Welshmen? A 1 with 9 noughts after it. Question then: if its a living language, why the need for such a large amount only for it to decline anyway? Llanmartinangel

5:12pm Sun 21 Jul 13

amandadavies8 says...

welshmen wrote:
altom23 wrote:
As a proud citizen of Newport I feel very sad reading the above negative comments regarding the Welsh language. I really can not believe that there are people in this day age still so anti both our Language and our Country. We read comments from such posters as ScraptheWAG decrying the Welsh Government. The poor person is living in the last centaury. You have lost that battle on two occasions now so let it rest!

Coming back to the Welsh Language here are some statistics direct from the ONS at Tredegar Park
Torfaen No of Welsh speakers 12742 14.5% of population
Newport No of Welsh speakers 17622 13.4% of population
BlaenauGwent No of Welsh speakers 9026 13.3% of population
Monmouthshire No of Welsh speakers 10590 12.9% of population

Therefore in the so called Old Gwent region we have approx. 50,000 fluent Welsh speakers That is a significant number and is increasing every day.
I rest my case!!
scrapthewag: are you Welsh?

The above is more to the facts, there might be a slight decrease in Welsh speakers as of the last census, but that has been overtaken by new people learning Welsh, like our kids in school....
My 17 year old son is fluent in welsh, as will be my 2 year old daughter and my unborn child when they are older....there are more and more people putting their children into welsh schools these days...and I paid for myself to learn welsh,so I could help my children out..when my oldest child was born, there was only 1 welsh school in Newport, now there is at least 3, that i no of, maybe more...so to me that says the welsh language is not dying, it's going to make a well deserved come back...and I would encourage all the way...my oldest child I had no choice but to put him into a english school, as the welsh school was full...so I think there is far more people in Newport speaking welsh, thank you think....if you speak to someone in English they are going to reply in English, have you tried speaking to any in welsh to see if they no the language.....
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]altom23[/bold] wrote: As a proud citizen of Newport I feel very sad reading the above negative comments regarding the Welsh language. I really can not believe that there are people in this day age still so anti both our Language and our Country. We read comments from such posters as ScraptheWAG decrying the Welsh Government. The poor person is living in the last centaury. You have lost that battle on two occasions now so let it rest! Coming back to the Welsh Language here are some statistics direct from the ONS at Tredegar Park Torfaen No of Welsh speakers 12742 14.5% of population Newport No of Welsh speakers 17622 13.4% of population BlaenauGwent No of Welsh speakers 9026 13.3% of population Monmouthshire No of Welsh speakers 10590 12.9% of population Therefore in the so called Old Gwent region we have approx. 50,000 fluent Welsh speakers That is a significant number and is increasing every day. I rest my case!![/p][/quote]scrapthewag: are you Welsh? The above is more to the facts, there might be a slight decrease in Welsh speakers as of the last census, but that has been overtaken by new people learning Welsh, like our kids in school....[/p][/quote]My 17 year old son is fluent in welsh, as will be my 2 year old daughter and my unborn child when they are older....there are more and more people putting their children into welsh schools these days...and I paid for myself to learn welsh,so I could help my children out..when my oldest child was born, there was only 1 welsh school in Newport, now there is at least 3, that i no of, maybe more...so to me that says the welsh language is not dying, it's going to make a well deserved come back...and I would encourage all the way...my oldest child I had no choice but to put him into a english school, as the welsh school was full...so I think there is far more people in Newport speaking welsh, thank you think....if you speak to someone in English they are going to reply in English, have you tried speaking to any in welsh to see if they no the language..... amandadavies8

6:12pm Sun 21 Jul 13

Melvyn The Milk says...

Lynne Ann Thomas wrote:
We are so very fortunate to be living in a country where we have the chance to be bilingual.

All children in schools in Wales learn Welsh - and there are many schools in Wales now that educated solely through the medium of Welsh.

I've travelled in many countries and bilingualism is considered the norm.

Approximately one fifth of the population of Wales speaks Welsh and when questioned over 75% of parents in Gwent said they would like to have their children educated through the medium of Welsh.

It therefore seems very silly that we cannot manage to put on public signs the indigenous language of Wales correctly.

It boils down to incompetence and lack proof reading skills by someone.

You cannot get a dictionary out and hope for the best!

Read these and you will see incompetence is endemic.

http://englisbabus.c

om/roadsigns.html
Two years ago I actually saw a road sign in Magor not far from the services which stated 'Wales 10 miles'. I laughed my socks off and took a photo with my mobile phone. Unbelievable. It has since been removed, I am pleased to say.
[quote][p][bold]Lynne Ann Thomas[/bold] wrote: We are so very fortunate to be living in a country where we have the chance to be bilingual. All children in schools in Wales learn Welsh - and there are many schools in Wales now that educated solely through the medium of Welsh. I've travelled in many countries and bilingualism is considered the norm. Approximately one fifth of the population of Wales speaks Welsh and when questioned over 75% of parents in Gwent said they would like to have their children educated through the medium of Welsh. It therefore seems very silly that we cannot manage to put on public signs the indigenous language of Wales correctly. It boils down to incompetence and lack proof reading skills by someone. You cannot get a dictionary out and hope for the best! Read these and you will see incompetence is endemic. http://englisbabus.c om/roadsigns.html[/p][/quote]Two years ago I actually saw a road sign in Magor not far from the services which stated 'Wales 10 miles'. I laughed my socks off and took a photo with my mobile phone. Unbelievable. It has since been removed, I am pleased to say. Melvyn The Milk

6:42pm Sun 21 Jul 13

Melvyn The Milk says...

amandadavies8 wrote:
welshmen wrote:
altom23 wrote:
As a proud citizen of Newport I feel very sad reading the above negative comments regarding the Welsh language. I really can not believe that there are people in this day age still so anti both our Language and our Country. We read comments from such posters as ScraptheWAG decrying the Welsh Government. The poor person is living in the last centaury. You have lost that battle on two occasions now so let it rest!

Coming back to the Welsh Language here are some statistics direct from the ONS at Tredegar Park
Torfaen No of Welsh speakers 12742 14.5% of population
Newport No of Welsh speakers 17622 13.4% of population
BlaenauGwent No of Welsh speakers 9026 13.3% of population
Monmouthshire No of Welsh speakers 10590 12.9% of population

Therefore in the so called Old Gwent region we have approx. 50,000 fluent Welsh speakers That is a significant number and is increasing every day.
I rest my case!!
scrapthewag: are you Welsh?

The above is more to the facts, there might be a slight decrease in Welsh speakers as of the last census, but that has been overtaken by new people learning Welsh, like our kids in school....
My 17 year old son is fluent in welsh, as will be my 2 year old daughter and my unborn child when they are older....there are more and more people putting their children into welsh schools these days...and I paid for myself to learn welsh,so I could help my children out..when my oldest child was born, there was only 1 welsh school in Newport, now there is at least 3, that i no of, maybe more...so to me that says the welsh language is not dying, it's going to make a well deserved come back...and I would encourage all the way...my oldest child I had no choice but to put him into a english school, as the welsh school was full...so I think there is far more people in Newport speaking welsh, thank you think....if you speak to someone in English they are going to reply in English, have you tried speaking to any in welsh to see if they no the language.....
amandadavies8, I am not a pedant or a snob but may I suggest that before you sing the praises of the Welsh language publicly, you spend some time scrutinising the standard of your English first? This is the language of the rest of the world. It is the language business is now conducted in throughout Europe and beyond. It is the language which increases material wealth throughout the world. It is the language which future employers demand you are fluent in. As I said before, fluency in Welsh is only useful in the WAG, translating useless documentation (80% of which ends up in the kitchen bin) and selling goods to North Wales (which is broke) and a community in Patagonia. You are toying with the future of your children and so are quite a few other parents it seems. The competition for quality jobs in the future is going to get red hot and fierce. In order to stand any chance in the business world we need a literate and dynamic workforce. Poor English and the ability to only speak an archaic language will not deliver that literacy and dynamism. Huge chunks of Europe now speak and write English much better than most adults in the UK and, because of our 'progressive' and 'politically correct' educators, they put our children to shame where the language is concerned. Concentrating on Welsh and the increase in 'text speak' on social sites will only aggravate this situation.
[quote][p][bold]amandadavies8[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]altom23[/bold] wrote: As a proud citizen of Newport I feel very sad reading the above negative comments regarding the Welsh language. I really can not believe that there are people in this day age still so anti both our Language and our Country. We read comments from such posters as ScraptheWAG decrying the Welsh Government. The poor person is living in the last centaury. You have lost that battle on two occasions now so let it rest! Coming back to the Welsh Language here are some statistics direct from the ONS at Tredegar Park Torfaen No of Welsh speakers 12742 14.5% of population Newport No of Welsh speakers 17622 13.4% of population BlaenauGwent No of Welsh speakers 9026 13.3% of population Monmouthshire No of Welsh speakers 10590 12.9% of population Therefore in the so called Old Gwent region we have approx. 50,000 fluent Welsh speakers That is a significant number and is increasing every day. I rest my case!![/p][/quote]scrapthewag: are you Welsh? The above is more to the facts, there might be a slight decrease in Welsh speakers as of the last census, but that has been overtaken by new people learning Welsh, like our kids in school....[/p][/quote]My 17 year old son is fluent in welsh, as will be my 2 year old daughter and my unborn child when they are older....there are more and more people putting their children into welsh schools these days...and I paid for myself to learn welsh,so I could help my children out..when my oldest child was born, there was only 1 welsh school in Newport, now there is at least 3, that i no of, maybe more...so to me that says the welsh language is not dying, it's going to make a well deserved come back...and I would encourage all the way...my oldest child I had no choice but to put him into a english school, as the welsh school was full...so I think there is far more people in Newport speaking welsh, thank you think....if you speak to someone in English they are going to reply in English, have you tried speaking to any in welsh to see if they no the language.....[/p][/quote]amandadavies8, I am not a pedant or a snob but may I suggest that before you sing the praises of the Welsh language publicly, you spend some time scrutinising the standard of your English first? This is the language of the rest of the world. It is the language business is now conducted in throughout Europe and beyond. It is the language which increases material wealth throughout the world. It is the language which future employers demand you are fluent in. As I said before, fluency in Welsh is only useful in the WAG, translating useless documentation (80% of which ends up in the kitchen bin) and selling goods to North Wales (which is broke) and a community in Patagonia. You are toying with the future of your children and so are quite a few other parents it seems. The competition for quality jobs in the future is going to get red hot and fierce. In order to stand any chance in the business world we need a literate and dynamic workforce. Poor English and the ability to only speak an archaic language will not deliver that literacy and dynamism. Huge chunks of Europe now speak and write English much better than most adults in the UK and, because of our 'progressive' and 'politically correct' educators, they put our children to shame where the language is concerned. Concentrating on Welsh and the increase in 'text speak' on social sites will only aggravate this situation. Melvyn The Milk

7:54pm Sun 21 Jul 13

scraptheWAG says...

well as long as you feel that speaking a valleys language benefits your children then go ahead, unless they are working in the public sector ( that's all wales seems to have left now & want to become a director of welsh language etc but judging by the over the top salaries that they get paid it might be a option) then go ahead.

Please do not complain though about cuts in the public sector and blame it on those nasty tories
well as long as you feel that speaking a valleys language benefits your children then go ahead, unless they are working in the public sector ( that's all wales seems to have left now & want to become a director of welsh language etc but judging by the over the top salaries that they get paid it might be a option) then go ahead. Please do not complain though about cuts in the public sector and blame it on those nasty tories scraptheWAG

8:04pm Sun 21 Jul 13

scraptheWAG says...

it also might have escaped your notice that the town your living is the embodiment of a shanty town it is the most run down town that I have been to (and i travel all over the country with my job) and could deperately use the money that is wasted on this stupid language.

Also all the pro welsh language group answer me this WHY do welsh tv programmes, welsh books, welsh phone apps need large amount of government subsidy if there was a demand would it not pay for itself (no answers expected)
it also might have escaped your notice that the town your living is the embodiment of a shanty town it is the most run down town that I have been to (and i travel all over the country with my job) and could deperately use the money that is wasted on this stupid language. Also all the pro welsh language group answer me this WHY do welsh tv programmes, welsh books, welsh phone apps need large amount of government subsidy if there was a demand would it not pay for itself (no answers expected) scraptheWAG

8:30pm Sun 21 Jul 13

amandadavies8 says...

Melvyn The Milk wrote:
amandadavies8 wrote:
welshmen wrote:
altom23 wrote:
As a proud citizen of Newport I feel very sad reading the above negative comments regarding the Welsh language. I really can not believe that there are people in this day age still so anti both our Language and our Country. We read comments from such posters as ScraptheWAG decrying the Welsh Government. The poor person is living in the last centaury. You have lost that battle on two occasions now so let it rest!

Coming back to the Welsh Language here are some statistics direct from the ONS at Tredegar Park
Torfaen No of Welsh speakers 12742 14.5% of population
Newport No of Welsh speakers 17622 13.4% of population
BlaenauGwent No of Welsh speakers 9026 13.3% of population
Monmouthshire No of Welsh speakers 10590 12.9% of population

Therefore in the so called Old Gwent region we have approx. 50,000 fluent Welsh speakers That is a significant number and is increasing every day.
I rest my case!!
scrapthewag: are you Welsh?

The above is more to the facts, there might be a slight decrease in Welsh speakers as of the last census, but that has been overtaken by new people learning Welsh, like our kids in school....
My 17 year old son is fluent in welsh, as will be my 2 year old daughter and my unborn child when they are older....there are more and more people putting their children into welsh schools these days...and I paid for myself to learn welsh,so I could help my children out..when my oldest child was born, there was only 1 welsh school in Newport, now there is at least 3, that i no of, maybe more...so to me that says the welsh language is not dying, it's going to make a well deserved come back...and I would encourage all the way...my oldest child I had no choice but to put him into a english school, as the welsh school was full...so I think there is far more people in Newport speaking welsh, thank you think....if you speak to someone in English they are going to reply in English, have you tried speaking to any in welsh to see if they no the language.....
amandadavies8, I am not a pedant or a snob but may I suggest that before you sing the praises of the Welsh language publicly, you spend some time scrutinising the standard of your English first? This is the language of the rest of the world. It is the language business is now conducted in throughout Europe and beyond. It is the language which increases material wealth throughout the world. It is the language which future employers demand you are fluent in. As I said before, fluency in Welsh is only useful in the WAG, translating useless documentation (80% of which ends up in the kitchen bin) and selling goods to North Wales (which is broke) and a community in Patagonia. You are toying with the future of your children and so are quite a few other parents it seems. The competition for quality jobs in the future is going to get red hot and fierce. In order to stand any chance in the business world we need a literate and dynamic workforce. Poor English and the ability to only speak an archaic language will not deliver that literacy and dynamism. Huge chunks of Europe now speak and write English much better than most adults in the UK and, because of our 'progressive' and 'politically correct' educators, they put our children to shame where the language is concerned. Concentrating on Welsh and the increase in 'text speak' on social sites will only aggravate this situation.
I would also like to point out, that my 17 year old son ( who goes to a welsh school), took his GCSE exams last year and gained a grade B on his English paper....all his gcse exams he passed with either A's or B's which I am very proud of. He has just finished his 1st year in 6th form and is going back in September to complete another year and hopefully gain his A levels that he is studying for...on top of all his studying..he also plays rugby for Newport Gwent Dragons Academy...I thank his welsh education that he has received..to have helped him gain these qualifications...and please before you criticise my English, please look back through your own post....and this is supposed to be people commenting the views about how they feel about the welsh language, not criticising someone about their English, maybe if I had gone to a welsh school, my English might have been better, as they are better schools, and as a mother of a children, who one went to a English school and one went to a welsh, the difference stands out a mile..
[quote][p][bold]Melvyn The Milk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]amandadavies8[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]altom23[/bold] wrote: As a proud citizen of Newport I feel very sad reading the above negative comments regarding the Welsh language. I really can not believe that there are people in this day age still so anti both our Language and our Country. We read comments from such posters as ScraptheWAG decrying the Welsh Government. The poor person is living in the last centaury. You have lost that battle on two occasions now so let it rest! Coming back to the Welsh Language here are some statistics direct from the ONS at Tredegar Park Torfaen No of Welsh speakers 12742 14.5% of population Newport No of Welsh speakers 17622 13.4% of population BlaenauGwent No of Welsh speakers 9026 13.3% of population Monmouthshire No of Welsh speakers 10590 12.9% of population Therefore in the so called Old Gwent region we have approx. 50,000 fluent Welsh speakers That is a significant number and is increasing every day. I rest my case!![/p][/quote]scrapthewag: are you Welsh? The above is more to the facts, there might be a slight decrease in Welsh speakers as of the last census, but that has been overtaken by new people learning Welsh, like our kids in school....[/p][/quote]My 17 year old son is fluent in welsh, as will be my 2 year old daughter and my unborn child when they are older....there are more and more people putting their children into welsh schools these days...and I paid for myself to learn welsh,so I could help my children out..when my oldest child was born, there was only 1 welsh school in Newport, now there is at least 3, that i no of, maybe more...so to me that says the welsh language is not dying, it's going to make a well deserved come back...and I would encourage all the way...my oldest child I had no choice but to put him into a english school, as the welsh school was full...so I think there is far more people in Newport speaking welsh, thank you think....if you speak to someone in English they are going to reply in English, have you tried speaking to any in welsh to see if they no the language.....[/p][/quote]amandadavies8, I am not a pedant or a snob but may I suggest that before you sing the praises of the Welsh language publicly, you spend some time scrutinising the standard of your English first? This is the language of the rest of the world. It is the language business is now conducted in throughout Europe and beyond. It is the language which increases material wealth throughout the world. It is the language which future employers demand you are fluent in. As I said before, fluency in Welsh is only useful in the WAG, translating useless documentation (80% of which ends up in the kitchen bin) and selling goods to North Wales (which is broke) and a community in Patagonia. You are toying with the future of your children and so are quite a few other parents it seems. The competition for quality jobs in the future is going to get red hot and fierce. In order to stand any chance in the business world we need a literate and dynamic workforce. Poor English and the ability to only speak an archaic language will not deliver that literacy and dynamism. Huge chunks of Europe now speak and write English much better than most adults in the UK and, because of our 'progressive' and 'politically correct' educators, they put our children to shame where the language is concerned. Concentrating on Welsh and the increase in 'text speak' on social sites will only aggravate this situation.[/p][/quote]I would also like to point out, that my 17 year old son ( who goes to a welsh school), took his GCSE exams last year and gained a grade B on his English paper....all his gcse exams he passed with either A's or B's which I am very proud of. He has just finished his 1st year in 6th form and is going back in September to complete another year and hopefully gain his A levels that he is studying for...on top of all his studying..he also plays rugby for Newport Gwent Dragons Academy...I thank his welsh education that he has received..to have helped him gain these qualifications...and please before you criticise my English, please look back through your own post....and this is supposed to be people commenting the views about how they feel about the welsh language, not criticising someone about their English, maybe if I had gone to a welsh school, my English might have been better, as they are better schools, and as a mother of a children, who one went to a English school and one went to a welsh, the difference stands out a mile.. amandadavies8

9:30pm Sun 21 Jul 13

Melvyn The Milk says...

Amanda
I don't wish to criticise your English. I only want to highlight the fact that Welsh, as a useful language in the modern world, is valueless outside of Wales and Patagonia. If you love your children, as you obviously do, do them a favour and let them learn useful languages to equip them for the modern world, not the 19th Century.
Amanda I don't wish to criticise your English. I only want to highlight the fact that Welsh, as a useful language in the modern world, is valueless outside of Wales and Patagonia. If you love your children, as you obviously do, do them a favour and let them learn useful languages to equip them for the modern world, not the 19th Century. Melvyn The Milk

11:45pm Sun 21 Jul 13

Mwy Eira says...

Lithuanian isn't much use outside Lithuania but no-one would for one minute tell them to stop speaking it. To see language acquisition useful for just commerce and business is narrow minded and very anglo-centric. No wonder the UK is considered arrogant when it comes to languages when you read some ofthe comments on here. Language is what makes us who we are and I am always in awe at other people's language skills when I hear them swap between languages so easily. Pointless arguing with such narrow minded people though who want to rename Wales, England. This isWales not England. If you want it to be like England you are living in the wrong place.
Lithuanian isn't much use outside Lithuania but no-one would for one minute tell them to stop speaking it. To see language acquisition useful for just commerce and business is narrow minded and very anglo-centric. No wonder the UK is considered arrogant when it comes to languages when you read some ofthe comments on here. Language is what makes us who we are and I am always in awe at other people's language skills when I hear them swap between languages so easily. Pointless arguing with such narrow minded people though who want to rename Wales, England. This isWales not England. If you want it to be like England you are living in the wrong place. Mwy Eira

5:09am Mon 22 Jul 13

scraptheWAG says...

Mwy Eira wrote:
Lithuanian isn't much use outside Lithuania but no-one would for one minute tell them to stop speaking it. To see language acquisition useful for just commerce and business is narrow minded and very anglo-centric. No wonder the UK is considered arrogant when it comes to languages when you read some ofthe comments on here. Language is what makes us who we are and I am always in awe at other people's language skills when I hear them swap between languages so easily. Pointless arguing with such narrow minded people though who want to rename Wales, England. This isWales not England. If you want it to be like England you are living in the wrong place.
its no wonder wales lyes in utter poverty
[quote][p][bold]Mwy Eira[/bold] wrote: Lithuanian isn't much use outside Lithuania but no-one would for one minute tell them to stop speaking it. To see language acquisition useful for just commerce and business is narrow minded and very anglo-centric. No wonder the UK is considered arrogant when it comes to languages when you read some ofthe comments on here. Language is what makes us who we are and I am always in awe at other people's language skills when I hear them swap between languages so easily. Pointless arguing with such narrow minded people though who want to rename Wales, England. This isWales not England. If you want it to be like England you are living in the wrong place.[/p][/quote]its no wonder wales lyes in utter poverty scraptheWAG

6:03am Mon 22 Jul 13

Lynne Ann Thomas says...

Melvyn The Milk wrote:
Lynne Ann Thomas wrote:
We are so very fortunate to be living in a country where we have the chance to be bilingual.

All children in schools in Wales learn Welsh - and there are many schools in Wales now that educated solely through the medium of Welsh.

I've travelled in many countries and bilingualism is considered the norm.

Approximately one fifth of the population of Wales speaks Welsh and when questioned over 75% of parents in Gwent said they would like to have their children educated through the medium of Welsh.

It therefore seems very silly that we cannot manage to put on public signs the indigenous language of Wales correctly.

It boils down to incompetence and lack proof reading skills by someone.

You cannot get a dictionary out and hope for the best!

Read these and you will see incompetence is endemic.

http://englisbabus.c


om/roadsigns.html
Two years ago I actually saw a road sign in Magor not far from the services which stated 'Wales 10 miles'. I laughed my socks off and took a photo with my mobile phone. Unbelievable. It has since been removed, I am pleased to say.
LOL!

:-D

http://www.menteriai
thcasnewydd.org/

All you doubters out there who question the worth of Welsh in Newport should have a look at this web site.

Welsh is alive and well and living in Newport.

The only problem is that Welsh speakers like myself (I learnt it in Newport) tend to start off in English not Welsh, but you'd be surprised how much Welsh is around you.

As to the cost of bilingual signs and that old argument (been going on since the 60s) it hardly costs any more to put Welsh on signs as well as English.

Compared to the millions spend on elitist establishment perks like the bars in the house of commons it's peanuts but does give visitors to Wales a nice feeling of being in a different country.
Wales may be small but it's BEAUTIFUL!
[quote][p][bold]Melvyn The Milk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lynne Ann Thomas[/bold] wrote: We are so very fortunate to be living in a country where we have the chance to be bilingual. All children in schools in Wales learn Welsh - and there are many schools in Wales now that educated solely through the medium of Welsh. I've travelled in many countries and bilingualism is considered the norm. Approximately one fifth of the population of Wales speaks Welsh and when questioned over 75% of parents in Gwent said they would like to have their children educated through the medium of Welsh. It therefore seems very silly that we cannot manage to put on public signs the indigenous language of Wales correctly. It boils down to incompetence and lack proof reading skills by someone. You cannot get a dictionary out and hope for the best! Read these and you will see incompetence is endemic. http://englisbabus.c om/roadsigns.html[/p][/quote]Two years ago I actually saw a road sign in Magor not far from the services which stated 'Wales 10 miles'. I laughed my socks off and took a photo with my mobile phone. Unbelievable. It has since been removed, I am pleased to say.[/p][/quote]LOL! :-D http://www.menteriai thcasnewydd.org/ All you doubters out there who question the worth of Welsh in Newport should have a look at this web site. Welsh is alive and well and living in Newport. The only problem is that Welsh speakers like myself (I learnt it in Newport) tend to start off in English not Welsh, but you'd be surprised how much Welsh is around you. As to the cost of bilingual signs and that old argument (been going on since the 60s) it hardly costs any more to put Welsh on signs as well as English. Compared to the millions spend on elitist establishment perks like the bars in the house of commons it's peanuts but does give visitors to Wales a nice feeling of being in a different country. Wales may be small but it's BEAUTIFUL! Lynne Ann Thomas

6:11am Mon 22 Jul 13

Lynne Ann Thomas says...

Taffy is a Welshman - Alun Rees



Alun Rees wrote this poem in response to the anti-Welsh 18th Century nursery rhyme: "Taffy was a Welshman, Taffy was a thief, Taffy came to my house and stole a piece of beef".

TAFFY IS A WELSHMAN

Taffy is a Welshman,
Taffy is no thief.
Someone came to Taffy's house
and stole a leg of beef.

Taffy made no protest,
for he doesn't like a row,
so the someone called on him again
and stole the bloody cow.

They stole his coal and iron,
they stole his pastures, too.
They even stole his language
and flushed it down the loo.

Taffy is a Welshman,
Taffy is a fool.
Taffy voted no, no, no
when they offered him home rule.

Six days a week upon his knees
Taffy dug for coal.
On the seventh he was kneeling, too,
praying for his soul.

And now the mines are closing down
and chapel's had its day,
Taffy still lives upon his knees,
for he knows no other way.

Now sometimes Taffy's brother
will start a row or so,
but you can bank on Taffy:
he doesn't want to know.

For when they hanged Penderyn
he had nothing much to say,
and when Saunders Lewis went to jail
he looked the other way.

Taffy is a Welshman
who likes to be oppressed.
He was proud to tug his forelock
to a Crawshay or a Guest.

They give him tinsel royals,
so he has a pint of beer,
and sings God Bless the Prince of Wales
as he joins the mob to cheer.

Now Taffy is a fighter
when he hears the bugle call.
Name any war since Agincourt:
Taffy's seen them all.

He's fought in France and Germany
and many another land;
he's fought by sea and fought by air
and fought on desert sand.

He's fought for many a foreign flag
in many a foreign part,
for Taffy is a Welshman,
proud of his fighting heart.

He's fought the wide world over,
he's given blood and bone.
He's fought for every bloody cause
except his bloody own.

Thought some of you might like to read this poem - sums up a lot about Wales.

Also the comments about the usefulness of welsh makes me laugh.

I was taught French in school and can speak it a little. It's been totally useless to me, because quite simply, I don't live in France!

Learning Welsh and living in Wales - now that has been really worth while - I speak it, so does my husband, 2 daughters and one of my sons in law, also all 4 of my grandchildren are Welsh speaking.

And just a last thing, apparently learning Welsh can stave off Alzheimer's disease - so siarad Cymraeg! (Speak Welsh)
Taffy is a Welshman - Alun Rees Alun Rees wrote this poem in response to the anti-Welsh 18th Century nursery rhyme: "Taffy was a Welshman, Taffy was a thief, Taffy came to my house and stole a piece of beef". TAFFY IS A WELSHMAN Taffy is a Welshman, Taffy is no thief. Someone came to Taffy's house and stole a leg of beef. Taffy made no protest, for he doesn't like a row, so the someone called on him again and stole the bloody cow. They stole his coal and iron, they stole his pastures, too. They even stole his language and flushed it down the loo. Taffy is a Welshman, Taffy is a fool. Taffy voted no, no, no when they offered him home rule. Six days a week upon his knees Taffy dug for coal. On the seventh he was kneeling, too, praying for his soul. And now the mines are closing down and chapel's had its day, Taffy still lives upon his knees, for he knows no other way. Now sometimes Taffy's brother will start a row or so, but you can bank on Taffy: he doesn't want to know. For when they hanged Penderyn he had nothing much to say, and when Saunders Lewis went to jail he looked the other way. Taffy is a Welshman who likes to be oppressed. He was proud to tug his forelock to a Crawshay or a Guest. They give him tinsel royals, so he has a pint of beer, and sings God Bless the Prince of Wales as he joins the mob to cheer. Now Taffy is a fighter when he hears the bugle call. Name any war since Agincourt: Taffy's seen them all. He's fought in France and Germany and many another land; he's fought by sea and fought by air and fought on desert sand. He's fought for many a foreign flag in many a foreign part, for Taffy is a Welshman, proud of his fighting heart. He's fought the wide world over, he's given blood and bone. He's fought for every bloody cause except his bloody own. Thought some of you might like to read this poem - sums up a lot about Wales. Also the comments about the usefulness of welsh makes me laugh. I was taught French in school and can speak it a little. It's been totally useless to me, because quite simply, I don't live in France! Learning Welsh and living in Wales - now that has been really worth while - I speak it, so does my husband, 2 daughters and one of my sons in law, also all 4 of my grandchildren are Welsh speaking. And just a last thing, apparently learning Welsh can stave off Alzheimer's disease - so siarad Cymraeg! (Speak Welsh) Lynne Ann Thomas

6:13am Mon 22 Jul 13

Lynne Ann Thomas says...

Taffy is a Welshman - Alun Rees



Alun Rees wrote this poem in response to the anti-Welsh 18th Century nursery rhyme: "Taffy was a Welshman, Taffy was a thief, Taffy came to my house and stole a piece of beef".

TAFFY IS A WELSHMAN

Taffy is a Welshman,
Taffy is no thief.
Someone came to Taffy's house
and stole a leg of beef.

Taffy made no protest,
for he doesn't like a row,
so the someone called on him again
and stole the bloody cow.

They stole his coal and iron,
they stole his pastures, too.
They even stole his language
and flushed it down the loo.

Taffy is a Welshman,
Taffy is a fool.
Taffy voted no, no, no
when they offered him home rule.

Six days a week upon his knees
Taffy dug for coal.
On the seventh he was kneeling, too,
praying for his soul.

And now the mines are closing down
and chapel's had its day,
Taffy still lives upon his knees,
for he knows no other way.

Now sometimes Taffy's brother
will start a row or so,
but you can bank on Taffy:
he doesn't want to know.

For when they hanged Penderyn
he had nothing much to say,
and when Saunders Lewis went to jail
he looked the other way.

Taffy is a Welshman
who likes to be oppressed.
He was proud to tug his forelock
to a Crawshay or a Guest.

They give him tinsel royals,
so he has a pint of beer,
and sings God Bless the Prince of Wales
as he joins the mob to cheer.

Now Taffy is a fighter
when he hears the bugle call.
Name any war since Agincourt:
Taffy's seen them all.

He's fought in France and Germany
and many another land;
he's fought by sea and fought by air
and fought on desert sand.

He's fought for many a foreign flag
in many a foreign part,
for Taffy is a Welshman,
proud of his fighting heart.

He's fought the wide world over,
he's given blood and bone.
He's fought for every bloody cause
except his bloody own.
Taffy is a Welshman - Alun Rees Alun Rees wrote this poem in response to the anti-Welsh 18th Century nursery rhyme: "Taffy was a Welshman, Taffy was a thief, Taffy came to my house and stole a piece of beef". TAFFY IS A WELSHMAN Taffy is a Welshman, Taffy is no thief. Someone came to Taffy's house and stole a leg of beef. Taffy made no protest, for he doesn't like a row, so the someone called on him again and stole the bloody cow. They stole his coal and iron, they stole his pastures, too. They even stole his language and flushed it down the loo. Taffy is a Welshman, Taffy is a fool. Taffy voted no, no, no when they offered him home rule. Six days a week upon his knees Taffy dug for coal. On the seventh he was kneeling, too, praying for his soul. And now the mines are closing down and chapel's had its day, Taffy still lives upon his knees, for he knows no other way. Now sometimes Taffy's brother will start a row or so, but you can bank on Taffy: he doesn't want to know. For when they hanged Penderyn he had nothing much to say, and when Saunders Lewis went to jail he looked the other way. Taffy is a Welshman who likes to be oppressed. He was proud to tug his forelock to a Crawshay or a Guest. They give him tinsel royals, so he has a pint of beer, and sings God Bless the Prince of Wales as he joins the mob to cheer. Now Taffy is a fighter when he hears the bugle call. Name any war since Agincourt: Taffy's seen them all. He's fought in France and Germany and many another land; he's fought by sea and fought by air and fought on desert sand. He's fought for many a foreign flag in many a foreign part, for Taffy is a Welshman, proud of his fighting heart. He's fought the wide world over, he's given blood and bone. He's fought for every bloody cause except his bloody own. Lynne Ann Thomas

7:59am Mon 22 Jul 13

amandadavies8 says...

Melvyn The Milk wrote:
Amanda
I don't wish to criticise your English. I only want to highlight the fact that Welsh, as a useful language in the modern world, is valueless outside of Wales and Patagonia. If you love your children, as you obviously do, do them a favour and let them learn useful languages to equip them for the modern world, not the 19th Century.
When my son first started the high school, he was learning Welsh, English, French and Spanish, and had to learn up until he picked his options...which he then dropped French and Spanish, and I asked him why....he said I am not going to live in these countries, there is no need to learn it when I want to get a job here...as French and Spanish are not spoken over here....if you had two people going for the same job, with the same qualifications, but one spoke Welsh and English, and the other only spoke English, as I run my own company, I know who I would give the job to....so as to your comment as to do them a favour and learn a useful language, the right choice has been made. Welsh is not dying, it is making a come back, and I welcome it...I am Welsh and proud of it...and our language...
[quote][p][bold]Melvyn The Milk[/bold] wrote: Amanda I don't wish to criticise your English. I only want to highlight the fact that Welsh, as a useful language in the modern world, is valueless outside of Wales and Patagonia. If you love your children, as you obviously do, do them a favour and let them learn useful languages to equip them for the modern world, not the 19th Century.[/p][/quote]When my son first started the high school, he was learning Welsh, English, French and Spanish, and had to learn up until he picked his options...which he then dropped French and Spanish, and I asked him why....he said I am not going to live in these countries, there is no need to learn it when I want to get a job here...as French and Spanish are not spoken over here....if you had two people going for the same job, with the same qualifications, but one spoke Welsh and English, and the other only spoke English, as I run my own company, I know who I would give the job to....so as to your comment as to do them a favour and learn a useful language, the right choice has been made. Welsh is not dying, it is making a come back, and I welcome it...I am Welsh and proud of it...and our language... amandadavies8

8:00am Mon 22 Jul 13

amandadavies8 says...

Lynne Ann Thomas wrote:
Melvyn The Milk wrote:
Lynne Ann Thomas wrote:
We are so very fortunate to be living in a country where we have the chance to be bilingual.

All children in schools in Wales learn Welsh - and there are many schools in Wales now that educated solely through the medium of Welsh.

I've travelled in many countries and bilingualism is considered the norm.

Approximately one fifth of the population of Wales speaks Welsh and when questioned over 75% of parents in Gwent said they would like to have their children educated through the medium of Welsh.

It therefore seems very silly that we cannot manage to put on public signs the indigenous language of Wales correctly.

It boils down to incompetence and lack proof reading skills by someone.

You cannot get a dictionary out and hope for the best!

Read these and you will see incompetence is endemic.

http://englisbabus.c



om/roadsigns.html
Two years ago I actually saw a road sign in Magor not far from the services which stated 'Wales 10 miles'. I laughed my socks off and took a photo with my mobile phone. Unbelievable. It has since been removed, I am pleased to say.
LOL!

:-D

http://www.menteriai

thcasnewydd.org/

All you doubters out there who question the worth of Welsh in Newport should have a look at this web site.

Welsh is alive and well and living in Newport.

The only problem is that Welsh speakers like myself (I learnt it in Newport) tend to start off in English not Welsh, but you'd be surprised how much Welsh is around you.

As to the cost of bilingual signs and that old argument (been going on since the 60s) it hardly costs any more to put Welsh on signs as well as English.

Compared to the millions spend on elitist establishment perks like the bars in the house of commons it's peanuts but does give visitors to Wales a nice feeling of being in a different country.
Wales may be small but it's BEAUTIFUL!
Totally agree
[quote][p][bold]Lynne Ann Thomas[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Melvyn The Milk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lynne Ann Thomas[/bold] wrote: We are so very fortunate to be living in a country where we have the chance to be bilingual. All children in schools in Wales learn Welsh - and there are many schools in Wales now that educated solely through the medium of Welsh. I've travelled in many countries and bilingualism is considered the norm. Approximately one fifth of the population of Wales speaks Welsh and when questioned over 75% of parents in Gwent said they would like to have their children educated through the medium of Welsh. It therefore seems very silly that we cannot manage to put on public signs the indigenous language of Wales correctly. It boils down to incompetence and lack proof reading skills by someone. You cannot get a dictionary out and hope for the best! Read these and you will see incompetence is endemic. http://englisbabus.c om/roadsigns.html[/p][/quote]Two years ago I actually saw a road sign in Magor not far from the services which stated 'Wales 10 miles'. I laughed my socks off and took a photo with my mobile phone. Unbelievable. It has since been removed, I am pleased to say.[/p][/quote]LOL! :-D http://www.menteriai thcasnewydd.org/ All you doubters out there who question the worth of Welsh in Newport should have a look at this web site. Welsh is alive and well and living in Newport. The only problem is that Welsh speakers like myself (I learnt it in Newport) tend to start off in English not Welsh, but you'd be surprised how much Welsh is around you. As to the cost of bilingual signs and that old argument (been going on since the 60s) it hardly costs any more to put Welsh on signs as well as English. Compared to the millions spend on elitist establishment perks like the bars in the house of commons it's peanuts but does give visitors to Wales a nice feeling of being in a different country. Wales may be small but it's BEAUTIFUL![/p][/quote]Totally agree amandadavies8

8:18am Mon 22 Jul 13

Llanmartinangel says...

I think you can safely discount any arguement by someone who thinks there's any relation between the cost of bars in the House of Commons and the massive cost of Welsh. And as for 'preventing Alzheimer's ', one assumes you think the moon is made of green cheese too?
I think you can safely discount any arguement by someone who thinks there's any relation between the cost of bars in the House of Commons and the massive cost of Welsh. And as for 'preventing Alzheimer's ', one assumes you think the moon is made of green cheese too? Llanmartinangel

9:09am Mon 22 Jul 13

Melvyn The Milk says...

Lynne Ann Thomas wrote:
Taffy is a Welshman - Alun Rees



Alun Rees wrote this poem in response to the anti-Welsh 18th Century nursery rhyme: "Taffy was a Welshman, Taffy was a thief, Taffy came to my house and stole a piece of beef".

TAFFY IS A WELSHMAN

Taffy is a Welshman,
Taffy is no thief.
Someone came to Taffy's house
and stole a leg of beef.

Taffy made no protest,
for he doesn't like a row,
so the someone called on him again
and stole the bloody cow.

They stole his coal and iron,
they stole his pastures, too.
They even stole his language
and flushed it down the loo.

Taffy is a Welshman,
Taffy is a fool.
Taffy voted no, no, no
when they offered him home rule.

Six days a week upon his knees
Taffy dug for coal.
On the seventh he was kneeling, too,
praying for his soul.

And now the mines are closing down
and chapel's had its day,
Taffy still lives upon his knees,
for he knows no other way.

Now sometimes Taffy's brother
will start a row or so,
but you can bank on Taffy:
he doesn't want to know.

For when they hanged Penderyn
he had nothing much to say,
and when Saunders Lewis went to jail
he looked the other way.

Taffy is a Welshman
who likes to be oppressed.
He was proud to tug his forelock
to a Crawshay or a Guest.

They give him tinsel royals,
so he has a pint of beer,
and sings God Bless the Prince of Wales
as he joins the mob to cheer.

Now Taffy is a fighter
when he hears the bugle call.
Name any war since Agincourt:
Taffy's seen them all.

He's fought in France and Germany
and many another land;
he's fought by sea and fought by air
and fought on desert sand.

He's fought for many a foreign flag
in many a foreign part,
for Taffy is a Welshman,
proud of his fighting heart.

He's fought the wide world over,
he's given blood and bone.
He's fought for every bloody cause
except his bloody own.

Thought some of you might like to read this poem - sums up a lot about Wales.

Also the comments about the usefulness of welsh makes me laugh.

I was taught French in school and can speak it a little. It's been totally useless to me, because quite simply, I don't live in France!

Learning Welsh and living in Wales - now that has been really worth while - I speak it, so does my husband, 2 daughters and one of my sons in law, also all 4 of my grandchildren are Welsh speaking.

And just a last thing, apparently learning Welsh can stave off Alzheimer's disease - so siarad Cymraeg! (Speak Welsh)
Lynne

Nice poem and I can relate to it as both my grandfather and father fought in British wars - at the Battle of the Somme and D-Day. Notice I said 'British' for that is what we are. If parents and children and grandparents and grandchildren want to stay at home speaking to each other in Welsh all day, or phoning Patagonian relatives, or translating road signs, that's fine. What I object to strongly is the foisting of the language upon those who do not want to do so or who have no relatives in Patagonia. Any ambitious child who cannot see that bilingualism in a useful language improves their employment prospects immeasurably must be blind. A quick look at the job adverts outside of the service sector/dependency culture of Wales will show you that. Bilingualism in a useful language for business and commerce is a given everywhere outside of Wales. We seem intent on prolonging our poverty and benefit culture, propped up by a switched-on English working population. For how much longer though?
[quote][p][bold]Lynne Ann Thomas[/bold] wrote: Taffy is a Welshman - Alun Rees Alun Rees wrote this poem in response to the anti-Welsh 18th Century nursery rhyme: "Taffy was a Welshman, Taffy was a thief, Taffy came to my house and stole a piece of beef". TAFFY IS A WELSHMAN Taffy is a Welshman, Taffy is no thief. Someone came to Taffy's house and stole a leg of beef. Taffy made no protest, for he doesn't like a row, so the someone called on him again and stole the bloody cow. They stole his coal and iron, they stole his pastures, too. They even stole his language and flushed it down the loo. Taffy is a Welshman, Taffy is a fool. Taffy voted no, no, no when they offered him home rule. Six days a week upon his knees Taffy dug for coal. On the seventh he was kneeling, too, praying for his soul. And now the mines are closing down and chapel's had its day, Taffy still lives upon his knees, for he knows no other way. Now sometimes Taffy's brother will start a row or so, but you can bank on Taffy: he doesn't want to know. For when they hanged Penderyn he had nothing much to say, and when Saunders Lewis went to jail he looked the other way. Taffy is a Welshman who likes to be oppressed. He was proud to tug his forelock to a Crawshay or a Guest. They give him tinsel royals, so he has a pint of beer, and sings God Bless the Prince of Wales as he joins the mob to cheer. Now Taffy is a fighter when he hears the bugle call. Name any war since Agincourt: Taffy's seen them all. He's fought in France and Germany and many another land; he's fought by sea and fought by air and fought on desert sand. He's fought for many a foreign flag in many a foreign part, for Taffy is a Welshman, proud of his fighting heart. He's fought the wide world over, he's given blood and bone. He's fought for every bloody cause except his bloody own. Thought some of you might like to read this poem - sums up a lot about Wales. Also the comments about the usefulness of welsh makes me laugh. I was taught French in school and can speak it a little. It's been totally useless to me, because quite simply, I don't live in France! Learning Welsh and living in Wales - now that has been really worth while - I speak it, so does my husband, 2 daughters and one of my sons in law, also all 4 of my grandchildren are Welsh speaking. And just a last thing, apparently learning Welsh can stave off Alzheimer's disease - so siarad Cymraeg! (Speak Welsh)[/p][/quote]Lynne Nice poem and I can relate to it as both my grandfather and father fought in British wars - at the Battle of the Somme and D-Day. Notice I said 'British' for that is what we are. If parents and children and grandparents and grandchildren want to stay at home speaking to each other in Welsh all day, or phoning Patagonian relatives, or translating road signs, that's fine. What I object to strongly is the foisting of the language upon those who do not want to do so or who have no relatives in Patagonia. Any ambitious child who cannot see that bilingualism in a useful language improves their employment prospects immeasurably must be blind. A quick look at the job adverts outside of the service sector/dependency culture of Wales will show you that. Bilingualism in a useful language for business and commerce is a given everywhere outside of Wales. We seem intent on prolonging our poverty and benefit culture, propped up by a switched-on English working population. For how much longer though? Melvyn The Milk

12:04pm Mon 22 Jul 13

JamieClaire says...

I read your post with interest and laughter..... at the money/wag comments!

St David's Day is a reminder that we are all proud to be Welsh!!

St.David's Days is Big across Newport ,Wales, with Adults and children showing there support by making/wearing daffodils,leeks ,buying welsh cakes, putting on shows,singing welsh songs which parents attend.

I was in Newport town the other day speaking to a little boy , I said to him " How old are you he said " I'm three, one,two,three". Wow!! that's good counting for a little boy. The boy smiled back very pleased. The mum proudly said "Oh he is really clever he can count to 10 in Welsh too. The little boy proudly counted in welsh, Un,Dau,Tri, etc. Mum was very proud her son could count in welsh, and rightly so!!
Her child just showed his mum and myself he can be bilingual. If he was not taught welsh within a nursery setting, his mum would not know of his early abilities to speak another language! It has opened up his mind to welsh and future languages and cultures .This can only make a childs future bigger brighter.!
I read your post with interest and laughter..... at the money/wag comments! St David's Day is a reminder that we are all proud to be Welsh!! St.David's Days is Big across Newport ,Wales, with Adults and children showing there support by making/wearing daffodils,leeks ,buying welsh cakes, putting on shows,singing welsh songs which parents attend. I was in Newport town the other day speaking to a little boy , I said to him " How old are you he said " I'm three, one,two,three". Wow!! that's good counting for a little boy. The boy smiled back very pleased. The mum proudly said "Oh he is really clever he can count to 10 in Welsh too. The little boy proudly counted in welsh, Un,Dau,Tri, etc. Mum was very proud her son could count in welsh, and rightly so!! Her child just showed his mum and myself he can be bilingual. If he was not taught welsh within a nursery setting, his mum would not know of his early abilities to speak another language! It has opened up his mind to welsh and future languages and cultures .This can only make a childs future bigger brighter.! JamieClaire

1:31pm Mon 22 Jul 13

Llanmartinangel says...

JamieClaire wrote:
I read your post with interest and laughter..... at the money/wag comments!

St David's Day is a reminder that we are all proud to be Welsh!!

St.David's Days is Big across Newport ,Wales, with Adults and children showing there support by making/wearing daffodils,leeks ,buying welsh cakes, putting on shows,singing welsh songs which parents attend.

I was in Newport town the other day speaking to a little boy , I said to him " How old are you he said " I'm three, one,two,three". Wow!! that's good counting for a little boy. The boy smiled back very pleased. The mum proudly said "Oh he is really clever he can count to 10 in Welsh too. The little boy proudly counted in welsh, Un,Dau,Tri, etc. Mum was very proud her son could count in welsh, and rightly so!!
Her child just showed his mum and myself he can be bilingual. If he was not taught welsh within a nursery setting, his mum would not know of his early abilities to speak another language! It has opened up his mind to welsh and future languages and cultures .This can only make a childs future bigger brighter.!
By the cringe. We're all bl**dy doomed.
[quote][p][bold]JamieClaire[/bold] wrote: I read your post with interest and laughter..... at the money/wag comments! St David's Day is a reminder that we are all proud to be Welsh!! St.David's Days is Big across Newport ,Wales, with Adults and children showing there support by making/wearing daffodils,leeks ,buying welsh cakes, putting on shows,singing welsh songs which parents attend. I was in Newport town the other day speaking to a little boy , I said to him " How old are you he said " I'm three, one,two,three". Wow!! that's good counting for a little boy. The boy smiled back very pleased. The mum proudly said "Oh he is really clever he can count to 10 in Welsh too. The little boy proudly counted in welsh, Un,Dau,Tri, etc. Mum was very proud her son could count in welsh, and rightly so!! Her child just showed his mum and myself he can be bilingual. If he was not taught welsh within a nursery setting, his mum would not know of his early abilities to speak another language! It has opened up his mind to welsh and future languages and cultures .This can only make a childs future bigger brighter.![/p][/quote]By the cringe. We're all bl**dy doomed. Llanmartinangel

2:30pm Mon 22 Jul 13

Lynne Ann Thomas says...

Melvyn The Milk wrote:
Lynne Ann Thomas wrote:
Taffy is a Welshman - Alun Rees



Alun Rees wrote this poem in response to the anti-Welsh 18th Century nursery rhyme: "Taffy was a Welshman, Taffy was a thief, Taffy came to my house and stole a piece of beef".

TAFFY IS A WELSHMAN

Taffy is a Welshman,
Taffy is no thief.
Someone came to Taffy's house
and stole a leg of beef.

Taffy made no protest,
for he doesn't like a row,
so the someone called on him again
and stole the bloody cow.

They stole his coal and iron,
they stole his pastures, too.
They even stole his language
and flushed it down the loo.

Taffy is a Welshman,
Taffy is a fool.
Taffy voted no, no, no
when they offered him home rule.

Six days a week upon his knees
Taffy dug for coal.
On the seventh he was kneeling, too,
praying for his soul.

And now the mines are closing down
and chapel's had its day,
Taffy still lives upon his knees,
for he knows no other way.

Now sometimes Taffy's brother
will start a row or so,
but you can bank on Taffy:
he doesn't want to know.

For when they hanged Penderyn
he had nothing much to say,
and when Saunders Lewis went to jail
he looked the other way.

Taffy is a Welshman
who likes to be oppressed.
He was proud to tug his forelock
to a Crawshay or a Guest.

They give him tinsel royals,
so he has a pint of beer,
and sings God Bless the Prince of Wales
as he joins the mob to cheer.

Now Taffy is a fighter
when he hears the bugle call.
Name any war since Agincourt:
Taffy's seen them all.

He's fought in France and Germany
and many another land;
he's fought by sea and fought by air
and fought on desert sand.

He's fought for many a foreign flag
in many a foreign part,
for Taffy is a Welshman,
proud of his fighting heart.

He's fought the wide world over,
he's given blood and bone.
He's fought for every bloody cause
except his bloody own.

Thought some of you might like to read this poem - sums up a lot about Wales.

Also the comments about the usefulness of welsh makes me laugh.

I was taught French in school and can speak it a little. It's been totally useless to me, because quite simply, I don't live in France!

Learning Welsh and living in Wales - now that has been really worth while - I speak it, so does my husband, 2 daughters and one of my sons in law, also all 4 of my grandchildren are Welsh speaking.

And just a last thing, apparently learning Welsh can stave off Alzheimer's disease - so siarad Cymraeg! (Speak Welsh)
Lynne

Nice poem and I can relate to it as both my grandfather and father fought in British wars - at the Battle of the Somme and D-Day. Notice I said 'British' for that is what we are. If parents and children and grandparents and grandchildren want to stay at home speaking to each other in Welsh all day, or phoning Patagonian relatives, or translating road signs, that's fine. What I object to strongly is the foisting of the language upon those who do not want to do so or who have no relatives in Patagonia. Any ambitious child who cannot see that bilingualism in a useful language improves their employment prospects immeasurably must be blind. A quick look at the job adverts outside of the service sector/dependency culture of Wales will show you that. Bilingualism in a useful language for business and commerce is a given everywhere outside of Wales. We seem intent on prolonging our poverty and benefit culture, propped up by a switched-on English working population. For how much longer though?
It's not a matter of foisting this on other. I have the English language foisted on me in that case.

Welsh is the language of Wales - period.

English has been pushed on the Welsh because the English conquered Wales.

I'm just so glad that the wonderful, oldest language in Europe, is still alive and well. I really object to all that English on road signs, but I put up with it.

If you choose to live in Wales, please be tolerant, or the other option is to move and live in England and just hope you don't get offended by languages in other countries when you go on holidays.... not everyone wants or needs to speak English - and I don't just speak Welsh at home!!!!!! I use welsh at my local Post office here in Newport, I speak Welsh with friends in Weatherspoons, I use Welsh in some shops here and in Cardiff. I socialise in welsh as do the rest of my family and regularly with friends living in the States and Australia, via Skype.

Sorry to disappoint but there is Welsh spoken all over the world, not just in Patagonia. It's an integral part of Welsh culture, and you are loosing out in Wales if you don't choose to learn Welsh. Your loss I'm afraid.
[quote][p][bold]Melvyn The Milk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lynne Ann Thomas[/bold] wrote: Taffy is a Welshman - Alun Rees Alun Rees wrote this poem in response to the anti-Welsh 18th Century nursery rhyme: "Taffy was a Welshman, Taffy was a thief, Taffy came to my house and stole a piece of beef". TAFFY IS A WELSHMAN Taffy is a Welshman, Taffy is no thief. Someone came to Taffy's house and stole a leg of beef. Taffy made no protest, for he doesn't like a row, so the someone called on him again and stole the bloody cow. They stole his coal and iron, they stole his pastures, too. They even stole his language and flushed it down the loo. Taffy is a Welshman, Taffy is a fool. Taffy voted no, no, no when they offered him home rule. Six days a week upon his knees Taffy dug for coal. On the seventh he was kneeling, too, praying for his soul. And now the mines are closing down and chapel's had its day, Taffy still lives upon his knees, for he knows no other way. Now sometimes Taffy's brother will start a row or so, but you can bank on Taffy: he doesn't want to know. For when they hanged Penderyn he had nothing much to say, and when Saunders Lewis went to jail he looked the other way. Taffy is a Welshman who likes to be oppressed. He was proud to tug his forelock to a Crawshay or a Guest. They give him tinsel royals, so he has a pint of beer, and sings God Bless the Prince of Wales as he joins the mob to cheer. Now Taffy is a fighter when he hears the bugle call. Name any war since Agincourt: Taffy's seen them all. He's fought in France and Germany and many another land; he's fought by sea and fought by air and fought on desert sand. He's fought for many a foreign flag in many a foreign part, for Taffy is a Welshman, proud of his fighting heart. He's fought the wide world over, he's given blood and bone. He's fought for every bloody cause except his bloody own. Thought some of you might like to read this poem - sums up a lot about Wales. Also the comments about the usefulness of welsh makes me laugh. I was taught French in school and can speak it a little. It's been totally useless to me, because quite simply, I don't live in France! Learning Welsh and living in Wales - now that has been really worth while - I speak it, so does my husband, 2 daughters and one of my sons in law, also all 4 of my grandchildren are Welsh speaking. And just a last thing, apparently learning Welsh can stave off Alzheimer's disease - so siarad Cymraeg! (Speak Welsh)[/p][/quote]Lynne Nice poem and I can relate to it as both my grandfather and father fought in British wars - at the Battle of the Somme and D-Day. Notice I said 'British' for that is what we are. If parents and children and grandparents and grandchildren want to stay at home speaking to each other in Welsh all day, or phoning Patagonian relatives, or translating road signs, that's fine. What I object to strongly is the foisting of the language upon those who do not want to do so or who have no relatives in Patagonia. Any ambitious child who cannot see that bilingualism in a useful language improves their employment prospects immeasurably must be blind. A quick look at the job adverts outside of the service sector/dependency culture of Wales will show you that. Bilingualism in a useful language for business and commerce is a given everywhere outside of Wales. We seem intent on prolonging our poverty and benefit culture, propped up by a switched-on English working population. For how much longer though?[/p][/quote]It's not a matter of foisting this on other. I have the English language foisted on me in that case. Welsh is the language of Wales - period. English has been pushed on the Welsh because the English conquered Wales. I'm just so glad that the wonderful, oldest language in Europe, is still alive and well. I really object to all that English on road signs, but I put up with it. If you choose to live in Wales, please be tolerant, or the other option is to move and live in England and just hope you don't get offended by languages in other countries when you go on holidays.... not everyone wants or needs to speak English - and I don't just speak Welsh at home!!!!!! I use welsh at my local Post office here in Newport, I speak Welsh with friends in Weatherspoons, I use Welsh in some shops here and in Cardiff. I socialise in welsh as do the rest of my family and regularly with friends living in the States and Australia, via Skype. Sorry to disappoint but there is Welsh spoken all over the world, not just in Patagonia. It's an integral part of Welsh culture, and you are loosing out in Wales if you don't choose to learn Welsh. Your loss I'm afraid. Lynne Ann Thomas

2:36pm Mon 22 Jul 13

Lynne Ann Thomas says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
I think you can safely discount any arguement by someone who thinks there's any relation between the cost of bars in the House of Commons and the massive cost of Welsh. And as for 'preventing Alzheimer's ', one assumes you think the moon is made of green cheese too?
Na the cheese is yellow.

Anyhow do you want to have a load of drunken MPs or support the oldest living language in Europe and an integral part of Welsh culture.

Newport had two huge successful Eisteddfods in '88 and 2004, and guess what - it was all in Welsh....

Best place for narrow mindedness I think is possibly the other side of the border as Welsh will survive petty attacks anyway.
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: I think you can safely discount any arguement by someone who thinks there's any relation between the cost of bars in the House of Commons and the massive cost of Welsh. And as for 'preventing Alzheimer's ', one assumes you think the moon is made of green cheese too?[/p][/quote]Na the cheese is yellow. Anyhow do you want to have a load of drunken MPs or support the oldest living language in Europe and an integral part of Welsh culture. Newport had two huge successful Eisteddfods in '88 and 2004, and guess what - it was all in Welsh.... Best place for narrow mindedness I think is possibly the other side of the border as Welsh will survive petty attacks anyway. Lynne Ann Thomas

4:35pm Mon 22 Jul 13

mai_b23 says...

The road sign matter will forever be an issue to many and I can sort of understand in financial terms, especially when some people bring up NHS matters "why spend money on signs/ translations when that money could be spent saving lives". Although very narrow minded and extreme, obviously the whole 'saving lives' thing would be a priority....

But those saying that Welsh language in education is not beneficial are clueless. Generally results are better in Welsh medium schools, true story. Your English skills will not suffer if you speak Welsh too (common idiotic misconception)

If everyone had a Welsh medium education in Wales, no one would be worse off. It wouldn't be the same as 'learning' Welsh , as you would just pick up the language naturally (as you do with English - it just happens) - so there would be no 'forcing' or 'dictatorship' (ridiculous) involved.

It doesn't matter if it isn't 'useful 'outside of Wales, the fact that you have that extra language would increase your capability to learn other languages and help towards other subjects in school .

It's very worrying that fellow Welsh men have such a negative attitude towards the language. Embrace it, it's part of your culture.
The road sign matter will forever be an issue to many and I can sort of understand in financial terms, especially when some people bring up NHS matters "why spend money on signs/ translations when that money could be spent saving lives". Although very narrow minded and extreme, obviously the whole 'saving lives' thing would be a priority.... But those saying that Welsh language in education is not beneficial are clueless. Generally results are better in Welsh medium schools, true story. Your English skills will not suffer if you speak Welsh too (common idiotic misconception) If everyone had a Welsh medium education in Wales, no one would be worse off. It wouldn't be the same as 'learning' Welsh , as you would just pick up the language naturally (as you do with English - it just happens) - so there would be no 'forcing' or 'dictatorship' (ridiculous) involved. It doesn't matter if it isn't 'useful 'outside of Wales, the fact that you have that extra language would increase your capability to learn other languages and help towards other subjects in school . It's very worrying that fellow Welsh men have such a negative attitude towards the language. Embrace it, it's part of your culture. mai_b23

5:06pm Mon 22 Jul 13

Bobevans says...

Perhaps more worrying for Newport & other Councils is a Court Judgement which has ruled it as illegal for councils to make a profit from car parking charges.The ruling was made by Mrs Justice Lang in a case bought against the London Borough of Barnet
Perhaps more worrying for Newport & other Councils is a Court Judgement which has ruled it as illegal for councils to make a profit from car parking charges.The ruling was made by Mrs Justice Lang in a case bought against the London Borough of Barnet Bobevans

5:57pm Mon 22 Jul 13

welshmen says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
You do realise how big a billion is don't you Welshmen? A 1 with 9 noughts after it. Question then: if its a living language, why the need for such a large amount only for it to decline anyway?
Yes i know what a Billion looks like, and that Billion was worth every penny spent on the Welsh Language.

What i and millions of British people don't like is £14.75 Billion, that's with nine noughts, we give to complete strangers every year, now isn't that something to moan about, with respect Llanmartinangel are you Welsh or English? don't be like scrapthewag and don't bother to answer.

When i wake up every morning I thank God i'am Welsh and so do my Kids....LoL....
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: You do realise how big a billion is don't you Welshmen? A 1 with 9 noughts after it. Question then: if its a living language, why the need for such a large amount only for it to decline anyway?[/p][/quote]Yes i know what a Billion looks like, and that Billion was worth every penny spent on the Welsh Language. What i and millions of British people don't like is £14.75 Billion, that's with nine noughts, we give to complete strangers every year, now isn't that something to moan about, with respect Llanmartinangel are you Welsh or English? don't be like scrapthewag and don't bother to answer. When i wake up every morning I thank God i'am Welsh and so do my Kids....LoL.... welshmen

6:23pm Mon 22 Jul 13

st juliano says...

There should not be any bilingual signs in newport as up until April 1st 1974 newport was in England. We should be returned to the county of Monmouthshire our historical county asap.
There should not be any bilingual signs in newport as up until April 1st 1974 newport was in England. We should be returned to the county of Monmouthshire our historical county asap. st juliano

7:28pm Mon 22 Jul 13

amandadavies8 says...

st juliano wrote:
There should not be any bilingual signs in newport as up until April 1st 1974 newport was in England. We should be returned to the county of Monmouthshire our historical county asap.
That does not make the slightest bit of difference, we are now classed as WALES....
[quote][p][bold]st juliano[/bold] wrote: There should not be any bilingual signs in newport as up until April 1st 1974 newport was in England. We should be returned to the county of Monmouthshire our historical county asap.[/p][/quote]That does not make the slightest bit of difference, we are now classed as WALES.... amandadavies8

7:47pm Mon 22 Jul 13

scraptheWAG says...

All this silly talk about bi-lingual inproving our eductaion system is a bit stupid as we are bottom of every league table
All this silly talk about bi-lingual inproving our eductaion system is a bit stupid as we are bottom of every league table scraptheWAG

8:09pm Mon 22 Jul 13

altom23 says...

scraptheWAG wrote:
All this silly talk about bi-lingual inproving our eductaion system is a bit stupid as we are bottom of every league table
Well Well "scrap the WAG". You have now dug your own hole and fallen right into it!!! Yes that is your English medium education that is at the bottom of every league table You have a look at the results of Welsh Medium Schools. I say no more!!
[quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: All this silly talk about bi-lingual inproving our eductaion system is a bit stupid as we are bottom of every league table[/p][/quote]Well Well "scrap the WAG". You have now dug your own hole and fallen right into it!!! Yes that is your English medium education that is at the bottom of every league table You have a look at the results of Welsh Medium Schools. I say no more!! altom23

8:19pm Mon 22 Jul 13

white white says...

amandadavies8 wrote:
st juliano wrote:
There should not be any bilingual signs in newport as up until April 1st 1974 newport was in England. We should be returned to the county of Monmouthshire our historical county asap.
That does not make the slightest bit of difference, we are now classed as WALES....
Newport and monmouthshire
We're not part of England the reason
Many people think Monmouth
Was in England is simply because
Some clerk mid 15th century during
Henry 8s time decided for some
Bloody silly reason to attach monmouthshire to the legal jurisdiction
Court of Oxford whilst the rest of Wales
Was attached to a different court area.
Henry the 8th himself also let it be known that Monmouth was one of the
Welsh counties .people people just
Assume that it's in England because
It's on the border .
[quote][p][bold]amandadavies8[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st juliano[/bold] wrote: There should not be any bilingual signs in newport as up until April 1st 1974 newport was in England. We should be returned to the county of Monmouthshire our historical county asap.[/p][/quote]That does not make the slightest bit of difference, we are now classed as WALES....[/p][/quote]Newport and monmouthshire We're not part of England the reason Many people think Monmouth Was in England is simply because Some clerk mid 15th century during Henry 8s time decided for some Bloody silly reason to attach monmouthshire to the legal jurisdiction Court of Oxford whilst the rest of Wales Was attached to a different court area. Henry the 8th himself also let it be known that Monmouth was one of the Welsh counties .people people just Assume that it's in England because It's on the border . white white

8:19pm Mon 22 Jul 13

Llanmartinangel says...

welshmen wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
You do realise how big a billion is don't you Welshmen? A 1 with 9 noughts after it. Question then: if its a living language, why the need for such a large amount only for it to decline anyway?
Yes i know what a Billion looks like, and that Billion was worth every penny spent on the Welsh Language.

What i and millions of British people don't like is £14.75 Billion, that's with nine noughts, we give to complete strangers every year, now isn't that something to moan about, with respect Llanmartinangel are you Welsh or English? don't be like scrapthewag and don't bother to answer.

When i wake up every morning I thank God i'am Welsh and so do my Kids....LoL....
I absolutely agree that the foreign aid budget is also madness but that's just quoting the 'two wrongs make a right' argument isn't it. To a country as poor as Wales, £150 million a year would make a huge difference. As I've said many times, support that spending by all means but don't then moan about the state of the place, lack of jobs, poor health service etc. you can't have it all. Oh and yes, am Welsh.
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: You do realise how big a billion is don't you Welshmen? A 1 with 9 noughts after it. Question then: if its a living language, why the need for such a large amount only for it to decline anyway?[/p][/quote]Yes i know what a Billion looks like, and that Billion was worth every penny spent on the Welsh Language. What i and millions of British people don't like is £14.75 Billion, that's with nine noughts, we give to complete strangers every year, now isn't that something to moan about, with respect Llanmartinangel are you Welsh or English? don't be like scrapthewag and don't bother to answer. When i wake up every morning I thank God i'am Welsh and so do my Kids....LoL....[/p][/quote]I absolutely agree that the foreign aid budget is also madness but that's just quoting the 'two wrongs make a right' argument isn't it. To a country as poor as Wales, £150 million a year would make a huge difference. As I've said many times, support that spending by all means but don't then moan about the state of the place, lack of jobs, poor health service etc. you can't have it all. Oh and yes, am Welsh. Llanmartinangel

8:25pm Mon 22 Jul 13

scraptheWAG says...

no its schools in wales ( and welsh language is compulsary) so speaking some ancient language does not make them top of the class
no its schools in wales ( and welsh language is compulsary) so speaking some ancient language does not make them top of the class scraptheWAG

8:27pm Mon 22 Jul 13

scraptheWAG says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
welshmen wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
You do realise how big a billion is don't you Welshmen? A 1 with 9 noughts after it. Question then: if its a living language, why the need for such a large amount only for it to decline anyway?
Yes i know what a Billion looks like, and that Billion was worth every penny spent on the Welsh Language.

What i and millions of British people don't like is £14.75 Billion, that's with nine noughts, we give to complete strangers every year, now isn't that something to moan about, with respect Llanmartinangel are you Welsh or English? don't be like scrapthewag and don't bother to answer.

When i wake up every morning I thank God i'am Welsh and so do my Kids....LoL....
I absolutely agree that the foreign aid budget is also madness but that's just quoting the 'two wrongs make a right' argument isn't it. To a country as poor as Wales, £150 million a year would make a huge difference. As I've said many times, support that spending by all means but don't then moan about the state of the place, lack of jobs, poor health service etc. you can't have it all. Oh and yes, am Welsh.
your wasting your time here most dont care as they dont pay any tax and it all a big laugh to see thir job seekers, disabled forms in two languages
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: You do realise how big a billion is don't you Welshmen? A 1 with 9 noughts after it. Question then: if its a living language, why the need for such a large amount only for it to decline anyway?[/p][/quote]Yes i know what a Billion looks like, and that Billion was worth every penny spent on the Welsh Language. What i and millions of British people don't like is £14.75 Billion, that's with nine noughts, we give to complete strangers every year, now isn't that something to moan about, with respect Llanmartinangel are you Welsh or English? don't be like scrapthewag and don't bother to answer. When i wake up every morning I thank God i'am Welsh and so do my Kids....LoL....[/p][/quote]I absolutely agree that the foreign aid budget is also madness but that's just quoting the 'two wrongs make a right' argument isn't it. To a country as poor as Wales, £150 million a year would make a huge difference. As I've said many times, support that spending by all means but don't then moan about the state of the place, lack of jobs, poor health service etc. you can't have it all. Oh and yes, am Welsh.[/p][/quote]your wasting your time here most dont care as they dont pay any tax and it all a big laugh to see thir job seekers, disabled forms in two languages scraptheWAG

8:33pm Mon 22 Jul 13

white white says...

amandadavies8 wrote:
st juliano wrote:
There should not be any bilingual signs in newport as up until April 1st 1974 newport was in England. We should be returned to the county of Monmouthshire our historical county asap.
That does not make the slightest bit of difference, we are now classed as WALES....
Newport and monmouthshire
We're not part of England the reason
Many people think Monmouth
Was in England is simply because
Some clerk mid 15th century during
Henry 8s time decided for some
Bloody silly reason to attach monmouthshire to the legal jurisdiction
Court of Oxford whilst the rest of Wales
Was attached to a different court area.
Henry the 8th himself also let it be known that Monmouth was one of the
Welsh counties .people people just
Assume that it's in England because
It's on the border .
[quote][p][bold]amandadavies8[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st juliano[/bold] wrote: There should not be any bilingual signs in newport as up until April 1st 1974 newport was in England. We should be returned to the county of Monmouthshire our historical county asap.[/p][/quote]That does not make the slightest bit of difference, we are now classed as WALES....[/p][/quote]Newport and monmouthshire We're not part of England the reason Many people think Monmouth Was in England is simply because Some clerk mid 15th century during Henry 8s time decided for some Bloody silly reason to attach monmouthshire to the legal jurisdiction Court of Oxford whilst the rest of Wales Was attached to a different court area. Henry the 8th himself also let it be known that Monmouth was one of the Welsh counties .people people just Assume that it's in England because It's on the border . white white

8:43pm Mon 22 Jul 13

white white says...

For more info it's under the
Laws of Wales act 1535-1542
Drawn up firstly to do a way with
The marchers barons/lords and
And allowed the union between
Wales and England . If any one is
Interested the bbc tv show
The white queen involves a story
Line which involves the Tudor family
For more info it's under the Laws of Wales act 1535-1542 Drawn up firstly to do a way with The marchers barons/lords and And allowed the union between Wales and England . If any one is Interested the bbc tv show The white queen involves a story Line which involves the Tudor family white white

8:46pm Mon 22 Jul 13

scraptheWAG says...

people in mounmouth don't like being associated with wales and think it will drag their house prices down.

A few years ago residents of the forest of dean were told that they might be classified as welsh and were in their local paper saying it would devalue their house there was quiet a up cry.
people in mounmouth don't like being associated with wales and think it will drag their house prices down. A few years ago residents of the forest of dean were told that they might be classified as welsh and were in their local paper saying it would devalue their house there was quiet a up cry. scraptheWAG

8:54pm Mon 22 Jul 13

altom23 says...

scraptheWAG wrote:
no its schools in wales ( and welsh language is compulsary) so speaking some ancient language does not make them top of the class
scraptheWAG. As usual you don't answer the question. Unfortunately the majority of schools in Wales are what are known as English Medium schools (>90% of lessons conducted in the English Language) I invite you now to look at the GCSE and A Level results of Welsh Medium Schools. (100% of all lessons in Welsh) Please compare like with like and then come back and post on this web site.
[quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: no its schools in wales ( and welsh language is compulsary) so speaking some ancient language does not make them top of the class[/p][/quote]scraptheWAG. As usual you don't answer the question. Unfortunately the majority of schools in Wales are what are known as English Medium schools (>90% of lessons conducted in the English Language) I invite you now to look at the GCSE and A Level results of Welsh Medium Schools. (100% of all lessons in Welsh) Please compare like with like and then come back and post on this web site. altom23

9:04pm Mon 22 Jul 13

altom23 says...

scraptheWAG wrote:
people in mounmouth don't like being associated with wales and think it will drag their house prices down.

A few years ago residents of the forest of dean were told that they might be classified as welsh and were in their local paper saying it would devalue their house there was quiet a up cry.
scarptheWAG Why do you dig these holes for yourself. The true colours are now coming out. So all this rhetoric is to do with house prices in Monmouthshire. I still don't understand why you came to live in Wales in the first place when you could have easily bought yourself a house in the Forest of Dean. RESULT: ... you would be happy living there and not having to put up with anything Welsh and we could get on with our Welsh lives in peace!
[quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: people in mounmouth don't like being associated with wales and think it will drag their house prices down. A few years ago residents of the forest of dean were told that they might be classified as welsh and were in their local paper saying it would devalue their house there was quiet a up cry.[/p][/quote]scarptheWAG Why do you dig these holes for yourself. The true colours are now coming out. So all this rhetoric is to do with house prices in Monmouthshire. I still don't understand why you came to live in Wales in the first place when you could have easily bought yourself a house in the Forest of Dean. RESULT: ... you would be happy living there and not having to put up with anything Welsh and we could get on with our Welsh lives in peace! altom23

9:15pm Mon 22 Jul 13

scraptheWAG says...

i was only reporting what i heard in the news
i was only reporting what i heard in the news scraptheWAG

9:33pm Mon 22 Jul 13

altom23 says...

altom23 wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
people in mounmouth don't like being associated with wales and think it will drag their house prices down.

A few years ago residents of the forest of dean were told that they might be classified as welsh and were in their local paper saying it would devalue their house there was quiet a up cry.
scarptheWAG Why do you dig these holes for yourself. The true colours are now coming out. So all this rhetoric is to do with house prices in Monmouthshire. I still don't understand why you came to live in Wales in the first place when you could have easily bought yourself a house in the Forest of Dean. RESULT: ... you would be happy living there and not having to put up with anything Welsh and we could get on with our Welsh lives in peace!
Again as usual you don't answer the question...Why did you come to live in Wales? Please tell us all posters. It will be very interesting!
[quote][p][bold]altom23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: people in mounmouth don't like being associated with wales and think it will drag their house prices down. A few years ago residents of the forest of dean were told that they might be classified as welsh and were in their local paper saying it would devalue their house there was quiet a up cry.[/p][/quote]scarptheWAG Why do you dig these holes for yourself. The true colours are now coming out. So all this rhetoric is to do with house prices in Monmouthshire. I still don't understand why you came to live in Wales in the first place when you could have easily bought yourself a house in the Forest of Dean. RESULT: ... you would be happy living there and not having to put up with anything Welsh and we could get on with our Welsh lives in peace![/p][/quote]Again as usual you don't answer the question...Why did you come to live in Wales? Please tell us all posters. It will be very interesting! altom23

10:37pm Mon 22 Jul 13

lcu06rjt says...

I think your all missing the point. The sign isn't temporary. They Lied!
I think your all missing the point. The sign isn't temporary. They Lied! lcu06rjt

4:18am Tue 23 Jul 13

Dee-Gee says...

Limestonecowboy wrote:
The English part of the sign 'No coaches...' could also be interpreted for sports coaches.

Its how you see the sign whats the difference leave it as it is save further expense. (Perhaps a picture of a bus with a red cross through it would avoid any confusion.)
The difference is, the Welsh word Hyfforddwyr *only* means sports coaches. (And could also mean trainers like you find on your feet according to one online dictionary)

The bus-like vehicle has a different word altogether.
[quote][p][bold]Limestonecowboy[/bold] wrote: The English part of the sign 'No coaches...' could also be interpreted for sports coaches. Its how you see the sign whats the difference leave it as it is save further expense. (Perhaps a picture of a bus with a red cross through it would avoid any confusion.)[/p][/quote]The difference is, the Welsh word Hyfforddwyr *only* means sports coaches. (And could also mean trainers like you find on your feet according to one online dictionary) The bus-like vehicle has a different word altogether. Dee-Gee

7:33am Tue 23 Jul 13

scraptheWAG says...

why not get rid off all the english signs and just put welsh then ( as you all say its the nation language and everyone speaks it) and that would get rid of the extra cost that i was complaining of / good idea??
why not get rid off all the english signs and just put welsh then ( as you all say its the nation language and everyone speaks it) and that would get rid of the extra cost that i was complaining of / good idea?? scraptheWAG

8:11am Tue 23 Jul 13

Bobevans says...

The facts on Welsh are quite clear and beyond any doubt. Fewer & fewer people are using it.

Whether a few people like it or not Wales has chosen to use English. In South East Wales Welsh is not used at all

In some other small parts of Wales Welsh is used as a social language but not as a working language

There are far fewer Poles in South Wales than claimed Welsh speakers. 1% as opposed to 20% but you will not hear welsh spoken but will hear polish spoken. I think that says something.
The facts on Welsh are quite clear and beyond any doubt. Fewer & fewer people are using it. Whether a few people like it or not Wales has chosen to use English. In South East Wales Welsh is not used at all In some other small parts of Wales Welsh is used as a social language but not as a working language There are far fewer Poles in South Wales than claimed Welsh speakers. 1% as opposed to 20% but you will not hear welsh spoken but will hear polish spoken. I think that says something. Bobevans

9:32am Tue 23 Jul 13

altom23 says...

scraptheWAG wrote:
why not get rid off all the english signs and just put welsh then ( as you all say its the nation language and everyone speaks it) and that would get rid of the extra cost that i was complaining of / good idea??
Now you are talking sense at long last!...But please answer my comment re Welsh Medium Schools
[quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: why not get rid off all the english signs and just put welsh then ( as you all say its the nation language and everyone speaks it) and that would get rid of the extra cost that i was complaining of / good idea??[/p][/quote]Now you are talking sense at long last!...But please answer my comment re Welsh Medium Schools altom23

10:51am Tue 23 Jul 13

mai_b23 says...

altom23 wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote: All this silly talk about bi-lingual inproving our eductaion system is a bit stupid as we are bottom of every league table
Well Well "scrap the WAG". You have now dug your own hole and fallen right into it!!! Yes that is your English medium education that is at the bottom of every league table You have a look at the results of Welsh Medium Schools. I say no more!!
Took the words right outta my mouth altom23!

English medium is at the bottom! I think it's difficult explaining Welsh medium education to people who haven't been through it themselves...but results show its benefits! Honestly I've tried to explain countless times to non fluent Welsh speakers! They don't undertand the concept, and see it as some conentration camp that somehow lessens your intelligence

It's hard work trying to argue a point that most so-called fellow Welsh men are well and truly against. I wish I was as ignorant as them...it really does seem like bliss
[quote][p][bold]altom23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: All this silly talk about bi-lingual inproving our eductaion system is a bit stupid as we are bottom of every league table[/p][/quote]Well Well "scrap the WAG". You have now dug your own hole and fallen right into it!!! Yes that is your English medium education that is at the bottom of every league table You have a look at the results of Welsh Medium Schools. I say no more!![/p][/quote]Took the words right outta my mouth altom23! English medium is at the bottom! I think it's difficult explaining Welsh medium education to people who haven't been through it themselves...but results show its benefits! Honestly I've tried to explain countless times to non fluent Welsh speakers! They don't undertand the concept, and see it as some conentration camp that somehow lessens your intelligence It's hard work trying to argue a point that most so-called fellow Welsh men are well and truly against. I wish I was as ignorant as them...it really does seem like bliss mai_b23

12:05pm Tue 23 Jul 13

Unnecessary Pseudonym says...

st juliano wrote:
There should not be any bilingual signs in newport as up until April 1st 1974 newport was in England. We should be returned to the county of Monmouthshire our historical county asap.
We are still in Monmouthshire, it's just that Monmouthshire is now classed as Wales.

monmouthshire-associ
ation.org.uk
[quote][p][bold]st juliano[/bold] wrote: There should not be any bilingual signs in newport as up until April 1st 1974 newport was in England. We should be returned to the county of Monmouthshire our historical county asap.[/p][/quote]We are still in Monmouthshire, it's just that Monmouthshire is now classed as Wales. monmouthshire-associ ation.org.uk Unnecessary Pseudonym

12:07pm Tue 23 Jul 13

Unnecessary Pseudonym says...

white white wrote:
amandadavies8 wrote:
st juliano wrote:
There should not be any bilingual signs in newport as up until April 1st 1974 newport was in England. We should be returned to the county of Monmouthshire our historical county asap.
That does not make the slightest bit of difference, we are now classed as WALES....
Newport and monmouthshire
We're not part of England the reason
Many people think Monmouth
Was in England is simply because
Some clerk mid 15th century during
Henry 8s time decided for some
Bloody silly reason to attach monmouthshire to the legal jurisdiction
Court of Oxford whilst the rest of Wales
Was attached to a different court area.
Henry the 8th himself also let it be known that Monmouth was one of the
Welsh counties .people people just
Assume that it's in England because
It's on the border .
Not true.

The County of Monmouth is treated somewhat differently in 1535 c.26 to the other new counties. For instance in section 4 it is stated: "the King's Justices of his Bench, or of his common Bench of Westminster, shall have full Power and Authority to direct all manner Process to the Sheriff and all other Officers of the said County of Monmouth". Whereas in section 10: "And that Justice shall be ministered, used, exercised and executed unto the King's Subjects and Inhabitants in every of the said Shires of Brecknock, Radnor, Mountgomery and Denbigh, according to the Laws and Statutes of this Realm of England, and according to such other Customs and Laws now used in Wales aforesaid, as the King our Sovereign Lord and his most honourable Council shall allow and think expedient, requisite and necessary, by such Justicer or Justicers as shall be thereunto appointed by our said Sovereign Lord the King, and after such Form and Fashion as Justice is used and ministered to the King's Subjects within the three Shires of North Wales"; Thereby making Monmouthshire the same as counties already existing in England, and the others the same as counties already existing in North Wales.

Section 2 of 1542 c.26, is even clearer: "First, That his Grace's said Dominion, Principality, and Country of Wales, be from henceforth divided into twelve Shire; (2) of the which eight have been Shires of long and ancient Time, That is to say, The Shires of Glamorgan, Caermarthen, Pembroke, Cardigan, Flint, Caernarvan, Anglesey and Merioneth; (3) and four of the said twelve Shires be newly made and ordained to be Shires, by an Act made at the Parliament holden at Westminster in the twenty-seventh Year of our said Sovereign Lord's most noble Reign, that is to say, The Shires of Radnor, Brecknock, Montgomery and Denbigh"
[quote][p][bold]white white[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]amandadavies8[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st juliano[/bold] wrote: There should not be any bilingual signs in newport as up until April 1st 1974 newport was in England. We should be returned to the county of Monmouthshire our historical county asap.[/p][/quote]That does not make the slightest bit of difference, we are now classed as WALES....[/p][/quote]Newport and monmouthshire We're not part of England the reason Many people think Monmouth Was in England is simply because Some clerk mid 15th century during Henry 8s time decided for some Bloody silly reason to attach monmouthshire to the legal jurisdiction Court of Oxford whilst the rest of Wales Was attached to a different court area. Henry the 8th himself also let it be known that Monmouth was one of the Welsh counties .people people just Assume that it's in England because It's on the border .[/p][/quote]Not true. The County of Monmouth is treated somewhat differently in 1535 c.26 to the other new counties. For instance in section 4 it is stated: "the King's Justices of his Bench, or of his common Bench of Westminster, shall have full Power and Authority to direct all manner Process to the Sheriff and all other Officers of the said County of Monmouth". Whereas in section 10: "And that Justice shall be ministered, used, exercised and executed unto the King's Subjects and Inhabitants in every of the said Shires of Brecknock, Radnor, Mountgomery and Denbigh, according to the Laws and Statutes of this Realm of England, and according to such other Customs and Laws now used in Wales aforesaid, as the King our Sovereign Lord and his most honourable Council shall allow and think expedient, requisite and necessary, by such Justicer or Justicers as shall be thereunto appointed by our said Sovereign Lord the King, and after such Form and Fashion as Justice is used and ministered to the King's Subjects within the three Shires of North Wales"; Thereby making Monmouthshire the same as counties already existing in England, and the others the same as counties already existing in North Wales. Section 2 of 1542 c.26, is even clearer: "First, That his Grace's said Dominion, Principality, and Country of Wales, be from henceforth divided into twelve Shire; (2) of the which eight have been Shires of long and ancient Time, That is to say, The Shires of Glamorgan, Caermarthen, Pembroke, Cardigan, Flint, Caernarvan, Anglesey and Merioneth; (3) and four of the said twelve Shires be newly made and ordained to be Shires, by an Act made at the Parliament holden at Westminster in the twenty-seventh Year of our said Sovereign Lord's most noble Reign, that is to say, The Shires of Radnor, Brecknock, Montgomery and Denbigh" Unnecessary Pseudonym

1:59pm Tue 23 Jul 13

white white says...

Unnecessary Pseudonym wrote:
white white wrote:
amandadavies8 wrote:
st juliano wrote:
There should not be any bilingual signs in newport as up until April 1st 1974 newport was in England. We should be returned to the county of Monmouthshire our historical county asap.
That does not make the slightest bit of difference, we are now classed as WALES....
Newport and monmouthshire
We're not part of England the reason
Many people think Monmouth
Was in England is simply because
Some clerk mid 15th century during
Henry 8s time decided for some
Bloody silly reason to attach monmouthshire to the legal jurisdiction
Court of Oxford whilst the rest of Wales
Was attached to a different court area.
Henry the 8th himself also let it be known that Monmouth was one of the
Welsh counties .people people just
Assume that it's in England because
It's on the border .
Not true.

The County of Monmouth is treated somewhat differently in 1535 c.26 to the other new counties. For instance in section 4 it is stated: "the King's Justices of his Bench, or of his common Bench of Westminster, shall have full Power and Authority to direct all manner Process to the Sheriff and all other Officers of the said County of Monmouth". Whereas in section 10: "And that Justice shall be ministered, used, exercised and executed unto the King's Subjects and Inhabitants in every of the said Shires of Brecknock, Radnor, Mountgomery and Denbigh, according to the Laws and Statutes of this Realm of England, and according to such other Customs and Laws now used in Wales aforesaid, as the King our Sovereign Lord and his most honourable Council shall allow and think expedient, requisite and necessary, by such Justicer or Justicers as shall be thereunto appointed by our said Sovereign Lord the King, and after such Form and Fashion as Justice is used and ministered to the King's Subjects within the three Shires of North Wales"; Thereby making Monmouthshire the same as counties already existing in England, and the others the same as counties already existing in North Wales.

Section 2 of 1542 c.26, is even clearer: "First, That his Grace's said Dominion, Principality, and Country of Wales, be from henceforth divided into twelve Shire; (2) of the which eight have been Shires of long and ancient Time, That is to say, The Shires of Glamorgan, Caermarthen, Pembroke, Cardigan, Flint, Caernarvan, Anglesey and Merioneth; (3) and four of the said twelve Shires be newly made and ordained to be Shires, by an Act made at the Parliament holden at Westminster in the twenty-seventh Year of our said Sovereign Lord's most noble Reign, that is to say, The Shires of Radnor, Brecknock, Montgomery and Denbigh"
Close enough
[quote][p][bold]Unnecessary Pseudonym[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]white white[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]amandadavies8[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st juliano[/bold] wrote: There should not be any bilingual signs in newport as up until April 1st 1974 newport was in England. We should be returned to the county of Monmouthshire our historical county asap.[/p][/quote]That does not make the slightest bit of difference, we are now classed as WALES....[/p][/quote]Newport and monmouthshire We're not part of England the reason Many people think Monmouth Was in England is simply because Some clerk mid 15th century during Henry 8s time decided for some Bloody silly reason to attach monmouthshire to the legal jurisdiction Court of Oxford whilst the rest of Wales Was attached to a different court area. Henry the 8th himself also let it be known that Monmouth was one of the Welsh counties .people people just Assume that it's in England because It's on the border .[/p][/quote]Not true. The County of Monmouth is treated somewhat differently in 1535 c.26 to the other new counties. For instance in section 4 it is stated: "the King's Justices of his Bench, or of his common Bench of Westminster, shall have full Power and Authority to direct all manner Process to the Sheriff and all other Officers of the said County of Monmouth". Whereas in section 10: "And that Justice shall be ministered, used, exercised and executed unto the King's Subjects and Inhabitants in every of the said Shires of Brecknock, Radnor, Mountgomery and Denbigh, according to the Laws and Statutes of this Realm of England, and according to such other Customs and Laws now used in Wales aforesaid, as the King our Sovereign Lord and his most honourable Council shall allow and think expedient, requisite and necessary, by such Justicer or Justicers as shall be thereunto appointed by our said Sovereign Lord the King, and after such Form and Fashion as Justice is used and ministered to the King's Subjects within the three Shires of North Wales"; Thereby making Monmouthshire the same as counties already existing in England, and the others the same as counties already existing in North Wales. Section 2 of 1542 c.26, is even clearer: "First, That his Grace's said Dominion, Principality, and Country of Wales, be from henceforth divided into twelve Shire; (2) of the which eight have been Shires of long and ancient Time, That is to say, The Shires of Glamorgan, Caermarthen, Pembroke, Cardigan, Flint, Caernarvan, Anglesey and Merioneth; (3) and four of the said twelve Shires be newly made and ordained to be Shires, by an Act made at the Parliament holden at Westminster in the twenty-seventh Year of our said Sovereign Lord's most noble Reign, that is to say, The Shires of Radnor, Brecknock, Montgomery and Denbigh"[/p][/quote]Close enough white white

3:32pm Tue 23 Jul 13

mai_b23 says...

altom23 wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote: no its schools in wales ( and welsh language is compulsary) so speaking some ancient language does not make them top of the class
scraptheWAG. As usual you don't answer the question. Unfortunately the majority of schools in Wales are what are known as English Medium schools (>90% of lessons conducted in the English Language) I invite you now to look at the GCSE and A Level results of Welsh Medium Schools. (100% of all lessons in Welsh) Please compare like with like and then come back and post on this web site.
AMEN
[quote][p][bold]altom23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: no its schools in wales ( and welsh language is compulsary) so speaking some ancient language does not make them top of the class[/p][/quote]scraptheWAG. As usual you don't answer the question. Unfortunately the majority of schools in Wales are what are known as English Medium schools (>90% of lessons conducted in the English Language) I invite you now to look at the GCSE and A Level results of Welsh Medium Schools. (100% of all lessons in Welsh) Please compare like with like and then come back and post on this web site.[/p][/quote]AMEN mai_b23

8:57pm Tue 23 Jul 13

scraptheWAG says...

there are too few to draw any reasonable conclusions.

It still remains a waste of money. and don't complain that you council tax is increasing this year when it is being frozen in england.
there are too few to draw any reasonable conclusions. It still remains a waste of money. and don't complain that you council tax is increasing this year when it is being frozen in england. scraptheWAG

2:03am Wed 24 Jul 13

ngtarr says...

steve4377 wrote:
Like my Dad used to say. The Welsh language was outlawed by the English and the English only allowed the Welsh to have formal education institutions if no Welsh was taught.
Little wonder the language suffered.

Great to see Wales now fighting for it's very language. Can't wait to see the Argus article whereupon people argue about the translation and spelling from the Welsh to the Engleesh.

Might be a few years away, but it will come one day.

Study the words of your national anthem well. It cries the pain of suppression of the Welsh language.

Fight the good fight...Keep a magnificent culture alive. If you live there carry the torch. If you can't carry the torch...get out.

My grandmother was the last Welsh speaker in my family. Don't let yours be the last in your family.

My father also said that South Wales has the highest proportion of castles in the world and the blood of the South Welsh protected the North Welsh from losing the language. It may be incumbent then for the North Welsh to proudly be the keepers and to ensure that in time the whole of Wales is re-united in it's common language.

As one born in St Woolas Hospital, let me say.

Proud of your work...

Steve LANE
Cairns QLD Australia
i myself would like to see a full revival of the welsh language. most people here claim that the welsh assembly is 'forcing welsh down people's throats'. this is actually WRONG. it was the UK GOVERNMENT that mandated welsh being treated on an equal basis in wales. I am the only one in my family that understands welsh, although not fluently. what need to be done to revive the language is to expose the general public to the welsh language on a daily basis, however it must be done in a productive and cost effective manner. having road signs in welsh and English together is NOT one of them for a number of reasons:
1] road signs in wales cost twice as much as their counterparts in England
2] translation errors can occur on road signs, requiring amendments. the cost of the amendments are normally past on to the taxpayer
3] the signs do not take into account individuals who are unable to understand English, those who don't understand English are almost certainly unable to understand welsh.

Newport, along with the rest of wales and the uk, needs reliable road signs to ensure that drivers are safe and are able to understand traffic laws in this country. Vienna convention road signs will stop those problems because:
a] they take up less area on the sign, saving money
b] the signs use symbols and pictograms and avoids using text whenever it is possible. in the case of the no coaches sign above, a suitable sign would have the image of a coach with a line through it
c] as Vienna convention signs are language independent. tourists would be able to understand the road signs. hopefully more welsh can come into more use in wales, rather than letting it go to waste.
[quote][p][bold]steve4377[/bold] wrote: Like my Dad used to say. The Welsh language was outlawed by the English and the English only allowed the Welsh to have formal education institutions if no Welsh was taught. Little wonder the language suffered. Great to see Wales now fighting for it's very language. Can't wait to see the Argus article whereupon people argue about the translation and spelling from the Welsh to the Engleesh. Might be a few years away, but it will come one day. Study the words of your national anthem well. It cries the pain of suppression of the Welsh language. Fight the good fight...Keep a magnificent culture alive. If you live there carry the torch. If you can't carry the torch...get out. My grandmother was the last Welsh speaker in my family. Don't let yours be the last in your family. My father also said that South Wales has the highest proportion of castles in the world and the blood of the South Welsh protected the North Welsh from losing the language. It may be incumbent then for the North Welsh to proudly be the keepers and to ensure that in time the whole of Wales is re-united in it's common language. As one born in St Woolas Hospital, let me say. Proud of your work... Steve LANE Cairns QLD Australia[/p][/quote]i myself would like to see a full revival of the welsh language. most people here claim that the welsh assembly is 'forcing welsh down people's throats'. this is actually WRONG. it was the UK GOVERNMENT that mandated welsh being treated on an equal basis in wales. I am the only one in my family that understands welsh, although not fluently. what need to be done to revive the language is to expose the general public to the welsh language on a daily basis, however it must be done in a productive and cost effective manner. having road signs in welsh and English together is NOT one of them for a number of reasons: 1] road signs in wales cost twice as much as their counterparts in England 2] translation errors can occur on road signs, requiring amendments. the cost of the amendments are normally past on to the taxpayer 3] the signs do not take into account individuals who are unable to understand English, those who don't understand English are almost certainly unable to understand welsh. Newport, along with the rest of wales and the uk, needs reliable road signs to ensure that drivers are safe and are able to understand traffic laws in this country. Vienna convention road signs will stop those problems because: a] they take up less area on the sign, saving money [I predict that in wales savings could be as high as 80% of the cost of the current signs] b] the signs use symbols and pictograms and avoids using text whenever it is possible. in the case of the no coaches sign above, a suitable sign would have the image of a coach with a line through it c] as Vienna convention signs are language independent. tourists would be able to understand the road signs. hopefully more welsh can come into more use in wales, rather than letting it go to waste. ngtarr

2:03am Wed 24 Jul 13

ngtarr says...

steve4377 wrote:
Like my Dad used to say. The Welsh language was outlawed by the English and the English only allowed the Welsh to have formal education institutions if no Welsh was taught.
Little wonder the language suffered.

Great to see Wales now fighting for it's very language. Can't wait to see the Argus article whereupon people argue about the translation and spelling from the Welsh to the Engleesh.

Might be a few years away, but it will come one day.

Study the words of your national anthem well. It cries the pain of suppression of the Welsh language.

Fight the good fight...Keep a magnificent culture alive. If you live there carry the torch. If you can't carry the torch...get out.

My grandmother was the last Welsh speaker in my family. Don't let yours be the last in your family.

My father also said that South Wales has the highest proportion of castles in the world and the blood of the South Welsh protected the North Welsh from losing the language. It may be incumbent then for the North Welsh to proudly be the keepers and to ensure that in time the whole of Wales is re-united in it's common language.

As one born in St Woolas Hospital, let me say.

Proud of your work...

Steve LANE
Cairns QLD Australia
i myself would like to see a full revival of the welsh language. most people here claim that the welsh assembly is 'forcing welsh down people's throats'. this is actually WRONG. it was the UK GOVERNMENT that mandated welsh being treated on an equal basis in wales. I am the only one in my family that understands welsh, although not fluently. what need to be done to revive the language is to expose the general public to the welsh language on a daily basis, however it must be done in a productive and cost effective manner. having road signs in welsh and English together is NOT one of them for a number of reasons:
1] road signs in wales cost twice as much as their counterparts in England
2] translation errors can occur on road signs, requiring amendments. the cost of the amendments are normally past on to the taxpayer
3] the signs do not take into account individuals who are unable to understand English, those who don't understand English are almost certainly unable to understand welsh.

Newport, along with the rest of wales and the uk, needs reliable road signs to ensure that drivers are safe and are able to understand traffic laws in this country. Vienna convention road signs will stop those problems because:
a] they take up less area on the sign, saving money
b] the signs use symbols and pictograms and avoids using text whenever it is possible. in the case of the no coaches sign above, a suitable sign would have the image of a coach with a line through it
c] as Vienna convention signs are language independent. tourists would be able to understand the road signs. hopefully more welsh can come into more use in wales, rather than letting it go to waste.
[quote][p][bold]steve4377[/bold] wrote: Like my Dad used to say. The Welsh language was outlawed by the English and the English only allowed the Welsh to have formal education institutions if no Welsh was taught. Little wonder the language suffered. Great to see Wales now fighting for it's very language. Can't wait to see the Argus article whereupon people argue about the translation and spelling from the Welsh to the Engleesh. Might be a few years away, but it will come one day. Study the words of your national anthem well. It cries the pain of suppression of the Welsh language. Fight the good fight...Keep a magnificent culture alive. If you live there carry the torch. If you can't carry the torch...get out. My grandmother was the last Welsh speaker in my family. Don't let yours be the last in your family. My father also said that South Wales has the highest proportion of castles in the world and the blood of the South Welsh protected the North Welsh from losing the language. It may be incumbent then for the North Welsh to proudly be the keepers and to ensure that in time the whole of Wales is re-united in it's common language. As one born in St Woolas Hospital, let me say. Proud of your work... Steve LANE Cairns QLD Australia[/p][/quote]i myself would like to see a full revival of the welsh language. most people here claim that the welsh assembly is 'forcing welsh down people's throats'. this is actually WRONG. it was the UK GOVERNMENT that mandated welsh being treated on an equal basis in wales. I am the only one in my family that understands welsh, although not fluently. what need to be done to revive the language is to expose the general public to the welsh language on a daily basis, however it must be done in a productive and cost effective manner. having road signs in welsh and English together is NOT one of them for a number of reasons: 1] road signs in wales cost twice as much as their counterparts in England 2] translation errors can occur on road signs, requiring amendments. the cost of the amendments are normally past on to the taxpayer 3] the signs do not take into account individuals who are unable to understand English, those who don't understand English are almost certainly unable to understand welsh. Newport, along with the rest of wales and the uk, needs reliable road signs to ensure that drivers are safe and are able to understand traffic laws in this country. Vienna convention road signs will stop those problems because: a] they take up less area on the sign, saving money [I predict that in wales savings could be as high as 80% of the cost of the current signs] b] the signs use symbols and pictograms and avoids using text whenever it is possible. in the case of the no coaches sign above, a suitable sign would have the image of a coach with a line through it c] as Vienna convention signs are language independent. tourists would be able to understand the road signs. hopefully more welsh can come into more use in wales, rather than letting it go to waste. ngtarr

2:03am Wed 24 Jul 13

ngtarr says...

steve4377 wrote:
Like my Dad used to say. The Welsh language was outlawed by the English and the English only allowed the Welsh to have formal education institutions if no Welsh was taught.
Little wonder the language suffered.

Great to see Wales now fighting for it's very language. Can't wait to see the Argus article whereupon people argue about the translation and spelling from the Welsh to the Engleesh.

Might be a few years away, but it will come one day.

Study the words of your national anthem well. It cries the pain of suppression of the Welsh language.

Fight the good fight...Keep a magnificent culture alive. If you live there carry the torch. If you can't carry the torch...get out.

My grandmother was the last Welsh speaker in my family. Don't let yours be the last in your family.

My father also said that South Wales has the highest proportion of castles in the world and the blood of the South Welsh protected the North Welsh from losing the language. It may be incumbent then for the North Welsh to proudly be the keepers and to ensure that in time the whole of Wales is re-united in it's common language.

As one born in St Woolas Hospital, let me say.

Proud of your work...

Steve LANE
Cairns QLD Australia
i myself would like to see a full revival of the welsh language. most people here claim that the welsh assembly is 'forcing welsh down people's throats'. this is actually WRONG. it was the UK GOVERNMENT that mandated welsh being treated on an equal basis in wales. I am the only one in my family that understands welsh, although not fluently. what need to be done to revive the language is to expose the general public to the welsh language on a daily basis, however it must be done in a productive and cost effective manner. having road signs in welsh and English together is NOT one of them for a number of reasons:
1] road signs in wales cost twice as much as their counterparts in England
2] translation errors can occur on road signs, requiring amendments. the cost of the amendments are normally past on to the taxpayer
3] the signs do not take into account individuals who are unable to understand English, those who don't understand English are almost certainly unable to understand welsh.

Newport, along with the rest of wales and the uk, needs reliable road signs to ensure that drivers are safe and are able to understand traffic laws in this country. Vienna convention road signs will stop those problems because:
a] they take up less area on the sign, saving money
b] the signs use symbols and pictograms and avoids using text whenever it is possible. in the case of the no coaches sign above, a suitable sign would have the image of a coach with a line through it
c] as Vienna convention signs are language independent. tourists would be able to understand the road signs. hopefully more welsh can come into more use in wales, rather than letting it go to waste.
[quote][p][bold]steve4377[/bold] wrote: Like my Dad used to say. The Welsh language was outlawed by the English and the English only allowed the Welsh to have formal education institutions if no Welsh was taught. Little wonder the language suffered. Great to see Wales now fighting for it's very language. Can't wait to see the Argus article whereupon people argue about the translation and spelling from the Welsh to the Engleesh. Might be a few years away, but it will come one day. Study the words of your national anthem well. It cries the pain of suppression of the Welsh language. Fight the good fight...Keep a magnificent culture alive. If you live there carry the torch. If you can't carry the torch...get out. My grandmother was the last Welsh speaker in my family. Don't let yours be the last in your family. My father also said that South Wales has the highest proportion of castles in the world and the blood of the South Welsh protected the North Welsh from losing the language. It may be incumbent then for the North Welsh to proudly be the keepers and to ensure that in time the whole of Wales is re-united in it's common language. As one born in St Woolas Hospital, let me say. Proud of your work... Steve LANE Cairns QLD Australia[/p][/quote]i myself would like to see a full revival of the welsh language. most people here claim that the welsh assembly is 'forcing welsh down people's throats'. this is actually WRONG. it was the UK GOVERNMENT that mandated welsh being treated on an equal basis in wales. I am the only one in my family that understands welsh, although not fluently. what need to be done to revive the language is to expose the general public to the welsh language on a daily basis, however it must be done in a productive and cost effective manner. having road signs in welsh and English together is NOT one of them for a number of reasons: 1] road signs in wales cost twice as much as their counterparts in England 2] translation errors can occur on road signs, requiring amendments. the cost of the amendments are normally past on to the taxpayer 3] the signs do not take into account individuals who are unable to understand English, those who don't understand English are almost certainly unable to understand welsh. Newport, along with the rest of wales and the uk, needs reliable road signs to ensure that drivers are safe and are able to understand traffic laws in this country. Vienna convention road signs will stop those problems because: a] they take up less area on the sign, saving money [I predict that in wales savings could be as high as 80% of the cost of the current signs] b] the signs use symbols and pictograms and avoids using text whenever it is possible. in the case of the no coaches sign above, a suitable sign would have the image of a coach with a line through it c] as Vienna convention signs are language independent. tourists would be able to understand the road signs. hopefully more welsh can come into more use in wales, rather than letting it go to waste. ngtarr

7:09pm Wed 24 Jul 13

Bommaz says...

scraptheWAG wrote:
what utter nonsense. does this backward council really think that residents in Newport (no better now than a few run down empty buildings alonmg side of the m4) really care about welsh language signs.
someone called Idris (sighs), what a waste of money
[quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: what utter nonsense. does this backward council really think that residents in Newport (no better now than a few run down empty buildings alonmg side of the m4) really care about welsh language signs.[/p][/quote]someone called Idris (sighs), what a waste of money Bommaz

8:43pm Wed 24 Jul 13

Lynne Ann Thomas says...

Bommaz wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
what utter nonsense. does this backward council really think that residents in Newport (no better now than a few run down empty buildings alonmg side of the m4) really care about welsh language signs.
someone called Idris (sighs), what a waste of money
Why do you bother to live here if you cannot accept that Welsh has an equal right to be on signs in WALES as ENGLISH has in England?

The Welsh language was the language of Wales long before English.

If you are too lazy to learn Welsh the very least you can do is support the original native tongue of Wales.

Or move....
[quote][p][bold]Bommaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: what utter nonsense. does this backward council really think that residents in Newport (no better now than a few run down empty buildings alonmg side of the m4) really care about welsh language signs.[/p][/quote]someone called Idris (sighs), what a waste of money[/p][/quote]Why do you bother to live here if you cannot accept that Welsh has an equal right to be on signs in WALES as ENGLISH has in England? The Welsh language was the language of Wales long before English. If you are too lazy to learn Welsh the very least you can do is support the original native tongue of Wales. Or move.... Lynne Ann Thomas

8:50pm Wed 24 Jul 13

scraptheWAG says...

Lynne Ann Thomas wrote:
Bommaz wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
what utter nonsense. does this backward council really think that residents in Newport (no better now than a few run down empty buildings alonmg side of the m4) really care about welsh language signs.
someone called Idris (sighs), what a waste of money
Why do you bother to live here if you cannot accept that Welsh has an equal right to be on signs in WALES as ENGLISH has in England?

The Welsh language was the language of Wales long before English.

If you are too lazy to learn Welsh the very least you can do is support the original native tongue of Wales.

Or move....
yes like i said just put welsh on the sign posts (apparently everyone who is anyone is wales is now speaking it) we dont need the english .
[quote][p][bold]Lynne Ann Thomas[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bommaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: what utter nonsense. does this backward council really think that residents in Newport (no better now than a few run down empty buildings alonmg side of the m4) really care about welsh language signs.[/p][/quote]someone called Idris (sighs), what a waste of money[/p][/quote]Why do you bother to live here if you cannot accept that Welsh has an equal right to be on signs in WALES as ENGLISH has in England? The Welsh language was the language of Wales long before English. If you are too lazy to learn Welsh the very least you can do is support the original native tongue of Wales. Or move....[/p][/quote]yes like i said just put welsh on the sign posts (apparently everyone who is anyone is wales is now speaking it) we dont need the english . scraptheWAG

9:45pm Wed 24 Jul 13

scraptheWAG says...

i wonder if we can get the comments over 200 - oh what a fuss some backward language spoke by a few unemployed people living in isolated villages up the valleys can cause!
i wonder if we can get the comments over 200 - oh what a fuss some backward language spoke by a few unemployed people living in isolated villages up the valleys can cause! scraptheWAG

10:17pm Wed 24 Jul 13

altom23 says...

scraptheWAG wrote:
i wonder if we can get the comments over 200 - oh what a fuss some backward language spoke by a few unemployed people living in isolated villages up the valleys can cause!
As always .....true to form your comments hold no substance as is shown above
[quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: i wonder if we can get the comments over 200 - oh what a fuss some backward language spoke by a few unemployed people living in isolated villages up the valleys can cause![/p][/quote]As always .....true to form your comments hold no substance as is shown above altom23

9:14am Thu 25 Jul 13

Lynne Ann Thomas says...

The trouble is when people make comments about a situation they know absolutely nothing about.

Fact - ALL children in Newport learn Welsh as it is part of the national curriculum.

Fact - There were two very successful eisteddfods held here where over a million visitors attended, and the whole event was conducted entirely through the medium of Welsh

Fact - Gwent has the highest number of Welsh learners in Wales

Fact - people outside the UK speak Welsh - not just in Patagonia but in places all over the world and the Internet is making it easy for people to communicate - Australia, USA, Europe

Fact - Welsh is Europe's oldest living language.


Fact - Bilingualism is the norm throughout the world. In Wales we are so lucky to have another language and gain insight into two cultures.

Fact- The Welsh language has survived, in spite of various English initiatives to destroy a beautiful language.

Fact - There is a choir in Newport that sings bilingually, Cor y Dreigiau (The Dragon's Choir) that won a competition a few years ago and sang the National Anthem on the pitch before the Wales/England game. Many of the members are learning Welsh or speak it fluently.

Fact - Thousands of children from Newport have gone and are going through Welsh medium education where they teach all subjects, apart from English, Spanish and French, through the medium of the Welsh language.

The language is the right of all children (and adults) in Wales who would like to use it.

On road signs? Of course, as this is Wales.

If it offends you, you can always return to your natural habitat, Engerland.

Simples ;-)
x
The trouble is when people make comments about a situation they know absolutely nothing about. Fact - ALL children in Newport learn Welsh as it is part of the national curriculum. Fact - There were two very successful eisteddfods held here where over a million visitors attended, and the whole event was conducted entirely through the medium of Welsh Fact - Gwent has the highest number of Welsh learners in Wales Fact - people outside the UK speak Welsh - not just in Patagonia but in places all over the world and the Internet is making it easy for people to communicate - Australia, USA, Europe Fact - Welsh is Europe's oldest living language. Fact - Bilingualism is the norm throughout the world. In Wales we are so lucky to have another language and gain insight into two cultures. Fact- The Welsh language has survived, in spite of various English initiatives to destroy a beautiful language. Fact - There is a choir in Newport that sings bilingually, Cor y Dreigiau (The Dragon's Choir) that won a competition a few years ago and sang the National Anthem on the pitch before the Wales/England game. Many of the members are learning Welsh or speak it fluently. Fact - Thousands of children from Newport have gone and are going through Welsh medium education where they teach all subjects, apart from English, Spanish and French, through the medium of the Welsh language. The language is the right of all children (and adults) in Wales who would like to use it. On road signs? Of course, as this is Wales. If it offends you, you can always return to your natural habitat, Engerland. Simples ;-) x Lynne Ann Thomas

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