Newport five-year-old girl weighing over 10 stone taken into care

South Wales Argus: Newport five-year-old girl weighing over 10 stone taken into care Newport five-year-old girl weighing over 10 stone taken into care

AN OBESE Newport five-year-old was taken into care, as it was revealed she weighed more than ten stone, it was revealed today.

The five-year-old girl, who weighed over 63kg- more than three times the normal amount for her age- was taken into care by social workers in August 2012.

The child was one of the heaviest five-year-old girls recorded in the UK. She weighed 10st 5lb — heavier than any five-year-old of either sex recorded in an English school since 2008.

Two months after care workers had intervened she had gained a further 5lbs, but her weight dropped below eight stone by September 2013, still more than double the amount a child of her age should weigh.

Girls of that age typically weigh about three stone, according to the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health.

The case was revealed as a result of a freedom of information request made by The Sunday Times.

Paul Cockeram, Newport’s cabinet member for Social Care and Wellbeing couldn’t comment on the specifics of this case but said: “I think it’s a sign of the times. Children aren’t learning to cook – it’s all take-aways and chicken nuggets. Children today like to eat rubbish.”

A spokeswoman from Newport council said: "The wellbeing of children and young people is of paramount importance and at the heart of all the work that is done by our children's services department.

"A thorough and comprehensive assessment of each child and family that we work with is always undertaken. All factors will be considered in any decision that is taken. It would be inappropriate to comment further on this case in the best interests of the child."

Dr Mair Parry, officer for Wales at the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health, said: “Childhood obesity is one of the biggest public health threats we face today. Last year saw a four-fold increase in the numbers of children and teens admitted to hospital in England and Wales with obesity related illnesses.

“There are some children who have conditions that mean it is easier to put weight on, as in this sad case. These children and their families need proper medical support and appropriate guidance.”

A report published by Public Health Wales in July, showed nearly 30 per cent of five-year-olds in Wales have an unhealthy body mass index, with 12.5 per cent of children classed as obese.

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9:23pm Sun 8 Dec 13

CliveAC says...

The full ST article is worth a read.
One other salient point mentioned in the ST was that a Welsh Assembly report in July gives Wales as the worst for children under 16 year, with 35% overweight.
The full ST article is worth a read. One other salient point mentioned in the ST was that a Welsh Assembly report in July gives Wales as the worst for children under 16 year, with 35% overweight. CliveAC

12:06am Mon 9 Dec 13

Bethany1234 says...

Really! This child was taken from her parents, the only people she has loved, known and trusted and taken to complete strangers, when full help and support should have been given to the family, not ripping them apart ! Hope they are reunited and given the full help and support they need in which the child can eat healthier and continue to lose weight, without the stress of being removed from her family!
Really! This child was taken from her parents, the only people she has loved, known and trusted and taken to complete strangers, when full help and support should have been given to the family, not ripping them apart ! Hope they are reunited and given the full help and support they need in which the child can eat healthier and continue to lose weight, without the stress of being removed from her family! Bethany1234

12:40am Mon 9 Dec 13

Frank Howells 68 says...

Bethany1234 wrote:
Really! This child was taken from her parents, the only people she has loved, known and trusted and taken to complete strangers, when full help and support should have been given to the family, not ripping them apart ! Hope they are reunited and given the full help and support they need in which the child can eat healthier and continue to lose weight, without the stress of being removed from her family!
Get a grip. This girl has been abused. There is no other word for it. A 5 year old girl should not be anywhere near 10 stone and the neglect of the parents is disgusting. This is child abuse, pure and simple, as is any case of any parent taking a child to McDonalds. Feed your children properly please. The rest of us do it, why can't the lazy folk?
[quote][p][bold]Bethany1234[/bold] wrote: Really! This child was taken from her parents, the only people she has loved, known and trusted and taken to complete strangers, when full help and support should have been given to the family, not ripping them apart ! Hope they are reunited and given the full help and support they need in which the child can eat healthier and continue to lose weight, without the stress of being removed from her family![/p][/quote]Get a grip. This girl has been abused. There is no other word for it. A 5 year old girl should not be anywhere near 10 stone and the neglect of the parents is disgusting. This is child abuse, pure and simple, as is any case of any parent taking a child to McDonalds. Feed your children properly please. The rest of us do it, why can't the lazy folk? Frank Howells 68

1:20am Mon 9 Dec 13

broadjustice says...

Bethany1234 wrote:
Really! This child was taken from her parents, the only people she has loved, known and trusted and taken to complete strangers, when full help and support should have been given to the family, not ripping them apart ! Hope they are reunited and given the full help and support they need in which the child can eat healthier and continue to lose weight, without the stress of being removed from her family!
Well, Fed to 10 stone by parents who love her? Yeah right, If they loved her they would see what they are doing to her by fattening her up like that. That child now has access to care, and (at our expense) healthcare to get it to a safe weight. If they want to feed her chicken nuggets, McDonalds, KFC, all day, then that must truly be love. Well fed love, love with a heart attack, love with diabetes, love with having to get busted out of your house when you reach 60 odd stone like that Merthyr girl, when she had complications. Yes, If that's parental love? Then we are truly screwed!
[quote][p][bold]Bethany1234[/bold] wrote: Really! This child was taken from her parents, the only people she has loved, known and trusted and taken to complete strangers, when full help and support should have been given to the family, not ripping them apart ! Hope they are reunited and given the full help and support they need in which the child can eat healthier and continue to lose weight, without the stress of being removed from her family![/p][/quote]Well, Fed to 10 stone by parents who love her? Yeah right, If they loved her they would see what they are doing to her by fattening her up like that. That child now has access to care, and (at our expense) healthcare to get it to a safe weight. If they want to feed her chicken nuggets, McDonalds, KFC, all day, then that must truly be love. Well fed love, love with a heart attack, love with diabetes, love with having to get busted out of your house when you reach 60 odd stone like that Merthyr girl, when she had complications. Yes, If that's parental love? Then we are truly screwed! broadjustice

1:23am Mon 9 Dec 13

Bethany1234 says...

Frank Howells 68 wrote:
Bethany1234 wrote:
Really! This child was taken from her parents, the only people she has loved, known and trusted and taken to complete strangers, when full help and support should have been given to the family, not ripping them apart ! Hope they are reunited and given the full help and support they need in which the child can eat healthier and continue to lose weight, without the stress of being removed from her family!
Get a grip. This girl has been abused. There is no other word for it. A 5 year old girl should not be anywhere near 10 stone and the neglect of the parents is disgusting. This is child abuse, pure and simple, as is any case of any parent taking a child to McDonalds. Feed your children properly please. The rest of us do it, why can't the lazy folk?
it says medical condition! i think someone should have intervened way before she turned 10 stone and gave help and support to the family, I also think the family should have tried to get help for there daughter if they did not, then yes that would be child abuse also, why was this child able to get to 10 stone without intervention? It does say a medical condition , I only hope this child does lose the weight and has a happy stable home and healthy future!
[quote][p][bold]Frank Howells 68[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bethany1234[/bold] wrote: Really! This child was taken from her parents, the only people she has loved, known and trusted and taken to complete strangers, when full help and support should have been given to the family, not ripping them apart ! Hope they are reunited and given the full help and support they need in which the child can eat healthier and continue to lose weight, without the stress of being removed from her family![/p][/quote]Get a grip. This girl has been abused. There is no other word for it. A 5 year old girl should not be anywhere near 10 stone and the neglect of the parents is disgusting. This is child abuse, pure and simple, as is any case of any parent taking a child to McDonalds. Feed your children properly please. The rest of us do it, why can't the lazy folk?[/p][/quote]it says medical condition! i think someone should have intervened way before she turned 10 stone and gave help and support to the family, I also think the family should have tried to get help for there daughter if they did not, then yes that would be child abuse also, why was this child able to get to 10 stone without intervention? It does say a medical condition , I only hope this child does lose the weight and has a happy stable home and healthy future! Bethany1234

1:42am Mon 9 Dec 13

Bethany1234 says...

broadjustice wrote:
Bethany1234 wrote:
Really! This child was taken from her parents, the only people she has loved, known and trusted and taken to complete strangers, when full help and support should have been given to the family, not ripping them apart ! Hope they are reunited and given the full help and support they need in which the child can eat healthier and continue to lose weight, without the stress of being removed from her family!
Well, Fed to 10 stone by parents who love her? Yeah right, If they loved her they would see what they are doing to her by fattening her up like that. That child now has access to care, and (at our expense) healthcare to get it to a safe weight. If they want to feed her chicken nuggets, McDonalds, KFC, all day, then that must truly be love. Well fed love, love with a heart attack, love with diabetes, love with having to get busted out of your house when you reach 60 odd stone like that Merthyr girl, when she had complications. Yes, If that's parental love? Then we are truly screwed!
It doesn't say that was what she was fed, that was a quote, but if this was what was happening. I completely agree, but it says a medical condition and If my child happened to be putting on weight dramatically I would demand to know what was going on, all I'm saying is some medical conditions does make you put on weight dramatically, but still I wouldn't let my child get that big, I would demand help! I have several children, they are cooked the same meals, drinks etc and they are different sizes none are overweight but enough for me one of them to notice, in which is getting him down so healthier meals,more exercise, sometimes medical conditions cannot be helped by the parents help,advice and support should be given, if not asked for, then yes the child's health and safety should come first!
[quote][p][bold]broadjustice[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bethany1234[/bold] wrote: Really! This child was taken from her parents, the only people she has loved, known and trusted and taken to complete strangers, when full help and support should have been given to the family, not ripping them apart ! Hope they are reunited and given the full help and support they need in which the child can eat healthier and continue to lose weight, without the stress of being removed from her family![/p][/quote]Well, Fed to 10 stone by parents who love her? Yeah right, If they loved her they would see what they are doing to her by fattening her up like that. That child now has access to care, and (at our expense) healthcare to get it to a safe weight. If they want to feed her chicken nuggets, McDonalds, KFC, all day, then that must truly be love. Well fed love, love with a heart attack, love with diabetes, love with having to get busted out of your house when you reach 60 odd stone like that Merthyr girl, when she had complications. Yes, If that's parental love? Then we are truly screwed![/p][/quote]It doesn't say that was what she was fed, that was a quote, but if this was what was happening. I completely agree, but it says a medical condition and If my child happened to be putting on weight dramatically I would demand to know what was going on, all I'm saying is some medical conditions does make you put on weight dramatically, but still I wouldn't let my child get that big, I would demand help! I have several children, they are cooked the same meals, drinks etc and they are different sizes none are overweight but enough for me one of them to notice, in which is getting him down so healthier meals,more exercise, sometimes medical conditions cannot be helped by the parents help,advice and support should be given, if not asked for, then yes the child's health and safety should come first! Bethany1234

8:02am Mon 9 Dec 13

Dai Rear says...

Paul Cockeram, Newport’s cabinet member for Social Care and Wellbeing
"Cabinet"? To judge by
"Children aren’t learning to cook – it’s all take-aways and chicken nuggets. Children today like to eat rubbish.” His head may have been made out of a cabinet. 5 year olds don't cook for themselves. Their parent-usually in the case of the underclass- determines what they eat.
If this child had a medical condition which made her gross she'd have been taken into hospital, not care.
Paul Cockeram, Newport’s cabinet member for Social Care and Wellbeing "Cabinet"? To judge by "Children aren’t learning to cook – it’s all take-aways and chicken nuggets. Children today like to eat rubbish.” His head may have been made out of a cabinet. 5 year olds don't cook for themselves. Their parent-usually in the case of the underclass- determines what they eat. If this child had a medical condition which made her gross she'd have been taken into hospital, not care. Dai Rear

8:26am Mon 9 Dec 13

Woodgnome says...

Social Workers are damned if they do and damned if they don't. The decision would be a joint one between Social workers, health professionals and school and taken as an absolute last resort because her parents were not up to the job or willing to learn.
Bethany don't talk tosh. What do you know about "taken from her parents the only people she has ever loved". Love does not include giving your 5 year old child heart problems, diabetes, early grave and in the meantime the derision of her peers.
Social Workers are damned if they do and damned if they don't. The decision would be a joint one between Social workers, health professionals and school and taken as an absolute last resort because her parents were not up to the job or willing to learn. Bethany don't talk tosh. What do you know about "taken from her parents the only people she has ever loved". Love does not include giving your 5 year old child heart problems, diabetes, early grave and in the meantime the derision of her peers. Woodgnome

8:44am Mon 9 Dec 13

Bobevans says...

Bethany1234 wrote:
Really! This child was taken from her parents, the only people she has loved, known and trusted and taken to complete strangers, when full help and support should have been given to the family, not ripping them apart ! Hope they are reunited and given the full help and support they need in which the child can eat healthier and continue to lose weight, without the stress of being removed from her family!
It was according to the full article a last resort after everything else had failed
clearly I child about 3.4 times over the average weight is at risk of very serious health and mental problems.. The fact that she has now lost 2 stones indicates the correct action has been taken. Remember 10 stone is on the heavy side for most adults

I would suspect that the parents will be very overweight and would have been a good part of the problem
[quote][p][bold]Bethany1234[/bold] wrote: Really! This child was taken from her parents, the only people she has loved, known and trusted and taken to complete strangers, when full help and support should have been given to the family, not ripping them apart ! Hope they are reunited and given the full help and support they need in which the child can eat healthier and continue to lose weight, without the stress of being removed from her family![/p][/quote]It was according to the full article a last resort after everything else had failed clearly I child about 3.4 times over the average weight is at risk of very serious health and mental problems.. The fact that she has now lost 2 stones indicates the correct action has been taken. Remember 10 stone is on the heavy side for most adults I would suspect that the parents will be very overweight and would have been a good part of the problem Bobevans

9:02am Mon 9 Dec 13

Floppy backed says...

Bobevans wrote:
Bethany1234 wrote:
Really! This child was taken from her parents, the only people she has loved, known and trusted and taken to complete strangers, when full help and support should have been given to the family, not ripping them apart ! Hope they are reunited and given the full help and support they need in which the child can eat healthier and continue to lose weight, without the stress of being removed from her family!
It was according to the full article a last resort after everything else had failed
clearly I child about 3.4 times over the average weight is at risk of very serious health and mental problems.. The fact that she has now lost 2 stones indicates the correct action has been taken. Remember 10 stone is on the heavy side for most adults

I would suspect that the parents will be very overweight and would have been a good part of the problem
Agree, how awful is this? - poor child any decent parent would know this was wrong. Surely the school would of noticed this too? Best thing to do is take her away she needs to be re-programmed (to say) trained in food consumption. See has bound to have some health problems due to the consumption of junk and poor judgement...what is this country coming to?
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bethany1234[/bold] wrote: Really! This child was taken from her parents, the only people she has loved, known and trusted and taken to complete strangers, when full help and support should have been given to the family, not ripping them apart ! Hope they are reunited and given the full help and support they need in which the child can eat healthier and continue to lose weight, without the stress of being removed from her family![/p][/quote]It was according to the full article a last resort after everything else had failed clearly I child about 3.4 times over the average weight is at risk of very serious health and mental problems.. The fact that she has now lost 2 stones indicates the correct action has been taken. Remember 10 stone is on the heavy side for most adults I would suspect that the parents will be very overweight and would have been a good part of the problem[/p][/quote]Agree, how awful is this? - poor child any decent parent would know this was wrong. Surely the school would of noticed this too? Best thing to do is take her away she needs to be re-programmed (to say) trained in food consumption. See has bound to have some health problems due to the consumption of junk and poor judgement...what is this country coming to? Floppy backed

10:22am Mon 9 Dec 13

inkyskin says...

"Paul Cockeram, Newport’s cabinet member for Social Care and Wellbeing couldn’t comment on the specifics of this case but said: “I think it’s a sign of the times. Children aren’t learning to cook – it’s all take-aways and chicken nuggets. Children today like to eat rubbish.”

WHAT RUBBISH! i have 2 kids ( 9 & 13 ) we have chips once a week , always have veg and fruit and my kids are very active and not overweight in the slightest, why tar all parents with the same brush!
"Paul Cockeram, Newport’s cabinet member for Social Care and Wellbeing couldn’t comment on the specifics of this case but said: “I think it’s a sign of the times. Children aren’t learning to cook – it’s all take-aways and chicken nuggets. Children today like to eat rubbish.” WHAT RUBBISH! i have 2 kids ( 9 & 13 ) we have chips once a week , always have veg and fruit and my kids are very active and not overweight in the slightest, why tar all parents with the same brush! inkyskin

10:25am Mon 9 Dec 13

Vox Dei says...

Remember 10 stone is on the heavy side for most adults

10 stone is only overweight if you are shorter than 5'2", which most adults are not.
[quote]Remember 10 stone is on the heavy side for most adults[/quote] 10 stone is only overweight if you are shorter than 5'2", which most adults are not. Vox Dei

10:37am Mon 9 Dec 13

county mad says...

Vox Dei wrote:
Remember 10 stone is on the heavy side for most adults

10 stone is only overweight if you are shorter than 5'2", which most adults are not.
Most adult women are about 5ft 3in the ideal is 9 1/2 st to 10 1/2st most 5 yr olds are about 3ft to 3ft 6in and you are an arguementative prat
[quote][p][bold]Vox Dei[/bold] wrote: [quote]Remember 10 stone is on the heavy side for most adults[/quote] 10 stone is only overweight if you are shorter than 5'2", which most adults are not.[/p][/quote]Most adult women are about 5ft 3in the ideal is 9 1/2 st to 10 1/2st most 5 yr olds are about 3ft to 3ft 6in and you are an arguementative prat county mad

11:55am Mon 9 Dec 13

sperduti says...

this is very sad to read , we don't know IF she had both parents ? may be it was just her mum bringing her up? , it is so much easier these days to buy junk food , coke drinks full of sugar and no exercise , technology has changed the way kids live these days too , play stations I pads computers etc have all contributed , but its up to each and every one of us to bring our kids up best we can , my kids lived in the age where they had bikes played out side for hours on end , but sadly this is another factor parents are too afraid to let there kids play outside these days!!
this is very sad to read , we don't know IF she had both parents ? may be it was just her mum bringing her up? , it is so much easier these days to buy junk food , coke drinks full of sugar and no exercise , technology has changed the way kids live these days too , play stations I pads computers etc have all contributed , but its up to each and every one of us to bring our kids up best we can , my kids lived in the age where they had bikes played out side for hours on end , but sadly this is another factor parents are too afraid to let there kids play outside these days!! sperduti

12:45pm Mon 9 Dec 13

SussyW says...

Would also help if parents would STOP driving their kids to school and picking them up, it is totally ridiculous, it could be the only exercise they have that day. We are slowly and surely "loving" our kids to an early death!
Would also help if parents would STOP driving their kids to school and picking them up, it is totally ridiculous, it could be the only exercise they have that day. We are slowly and surely "loving" our kids to an early death! SussyW

12:45pm Mon 9 Dec 13

Bobevans says...

Bethany1234 wrote:
broadjustice wrote:
Bethany1234 wrote:
Really! This child was taken from her parents, the only people she has loved, known and trusted and taken to complete strangers, when full help and support should have been given to the family, not ripping them apart ! Hope they are reunited and given the full help and support they need in which the child can eat healthier and continue to lose weight, without the stress of being removed from her family!
Well, Fed to 10 stone by parents who love her? Yeah right, If they loved her they would see what they are doing to her by fattening her up like that. That child now has access to care, and (at our expense) healthcare to get it to a safe weight. If they want to feed her chicken nuggets, McDonalds, KFC, all day, then that must truly be love. Well fed love, love with a heart attack, love with diabetes, love with having to get busted out of your house when you reach 60 odd stone like that Merthyr girl, when she had complications. Yes, If that's parental love? Then we are truly screwed!
It doesn't say that was what she was fed, that was a quote, but if this was what was happening. I completely agree, but it says a medical condition and If my child happened to be putting on weight dramatically I would demand to know what was going on, all I'm saying is some medical conditions does make you put on weight dramatically, but still I wouldn't let my child get that big, I would demand help! I have several children, they are cooked the same meals, drinks etc and they are different sizes none are overweight but enough for me one of them to notice, in which is getting him down so healthier meals,more exercise, sometimes medical conditions cannot be helped by the parents help,advice and support should be given, if not asked for, then yes the child's health and safety should come first!
There are no medical conditions that would make you put on weight fast. It is basically a simple equation Energy in against Energy out. Some things can slow down the rate at which you burn off energy such as being fat as the layer of fat and the greater difficulty of exercising would slow things down but you cannot magically change this equation.

Lots of people look for an excuse for putting weight on.

This girl was dangerously obese and must have been taking in serious amounts of food and taking very little exercise

It is the lack of exercise that is more of a problem. Most children now get very little exercise . Most are drive to school even though the school in most cases will be less than 500 yards away
[quote][p][bold]Bethany1234[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]broadjustice[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bethany1234[/bold] wrote: Really! This child was taken from her parents, the only people she has loved, known and trusted and taken to complete strangers, when full help and support should have been given to the family, not ripping them apart ! Hope they are reunited and given the full help and support they need in which the child can eat healthier and continue to lose weight, without the stress of being removed from her family![/p][/quote]Well, Fed to 10 stone by parents who love her? Yeah right, If they loved her they would see what they are doing to her by fattening her up like that. That child now has access to care, and (at our expense) healthcare to get it to a safe weight. If they want to feed her chicken nuggets, McDonalds, KFC, all day, then that must truly be love. Well fed love, love with a heart attack, love with diabetes, love with having to get busted out of your house when you reach 60 odd stone like that Merthyr girl, when she had complications. Yes, If that's parental love? Then we are truly screwed![/p][/quote]It doesn't say that was what she was fed, that was a quote, but if this was what was happening. I completely agree, but it says a medical condition and If my child happened to be putting on weight dramatically I would demand to know what was going on, all I'm saying is some medical conditions does make you put on weight dramatically, but still I wouldn't let my child get that big, I would demand help! I have several children, they are cooked the same meals, drinks etc and they are different sizes none are overweight but enough for me one of them to notice, in which is getting him down so healthier meals,more exercise, sometimes medical conditions cannot be helped by the parents help,advice and support should be given, if not asked for, then yes the child's health and safety should come first![/p][/quote]There are no medical conditions that would make you put on weight fast. It is basically a simple equation Energy in against Energy out. Some things can slow down the rate at which you burn off energy such as being fat as the layer of fat and the greater difficulty of exercising would slow things down but you cannot magically change this equation. Lots of people look for an excuse for putting weight on. This girl was dangerously obese and must have been taking in serious amounts of food and taking very little exercise It is the lack of exercise that is more of a problem. Most children now get very little exercise . Most are drive to school even though the school in most cases will be less than 500 yards away Bobevans

2:17pm Mon 9 Dec 13

_Bryan_ says...

The article mentions a "medical condition" and technically that may be correct. After all obesity is a medical condition. The issue here is too much unhealthy food and not enough exercise pure and simple.

In my later years I have developed something of a belly myself, the difference being that I am not a 5 year old child and don't rely on my parents to feed me appropriately and ensure I'm sufficiently active.
The article mentions a "medical condition" and technically that may be correct. After all obesity is a medical condition. The issue here is too much unhealthy food and not enough exercise pure and simple. In my later years I have developed something of a belly myself, the difference being that I am not a 5 year old child and don't rely on my parents to feed me appropriately and ensure I'm sufficiently active. _Bryan_

3:14pm Mon 9 Dec 13

jimmysmith says...

Bethany1234 wrote:
Really! This child was taken from her parents, the only people she has loved, known and trusted and taken to complete strangers, when full help and support should have been given to the family, not ripping them apart ! Hope they are reunited and given the full help and support they need in which the child can eat healthier and continue to lose weight, without the stress of being removed from her family!
this child was the victim of abuse and left where she was her life was more or less over before it even started .shes suffering because of her parents ignorance and laziness
[quote][p][bold]Bethany1234[/bold] wrote: Really! This child was taken from her parents, the only people she has loved, known and trusted and taken to complete strangers, when full help and support should have been given to the family, not ripping them apart ! Hope they are reunited and given the full help and support they need in which the child can eat healthier and continue to lose weight, without the stress of being removed from her family![/p][/quote]this child was the victim of abuse and left where she was her life was more or less over before it even started .shes suffering because of her parents ignorance and laziness jimmysmith

4:40pm Mon 9 Dec 13

Floppy backed says...

SussyW wrote:
Would also help if parents would STOP driving their kids to school and picking them up, it is totally ridiculous, it could be the only exercise they have that day. We are slowly and surely "loving" our kids to an early death!
Sorry to say this is totally inaccurate (even though exercise is a must). studies have shown that children are no more inactive than 20 yrs ago and to believe that any person could burn off the number of calories someone like that would probably mean she would have to work out all day everyday & night.

Diet first, diet second, diet last....you can not be classed as fit unless your diet is clean and just because you are slim does not make you healthy.

There are endless studies proving the over consumption of carbs (in the form of wheat) and sugar is the downfall of everyone. Our bodies are not made to consume this constant bombardment of carbs and sugar it is empty calories and the reasons why people are so obese. There are far too many people that think if they eat carbs, sugar, excess fat then combine with lots of fruit and veg this cancels out the bad stuff and ignorance in this case is not bliss. There is endless information everywhere, books, internet, TV, radio so no excuses I'm afraid.

And just because they are children doesnt mean they burn it off any better, until we feed our children a better diet consisting of less carbs, less wheat/grain based manufactured feeds & less sugar (incl fruit) then this story isnt going to be unique.

Look at the items sold in the supermarket, much of it is non-foods such as biscuit, breads, cakes, crisps, pies, confectionery all of which should be consumed sparingly not wholly. A diet should be mainly meat, fish, dairy, veg, salad, nuts and some fruit.
[quote][p][bold]SussyW[/bold] wrote: Would also help if parents would STOP driving their kids to school and picking them up, it is totally ridiculous, it could be the only exercise they have that day. We are slowly and surely "loving" our kids to an early death![/p][/quote]Sorry to say this is totally inaccurate (even though exercise is a must). studies have shown that children are no more inactive than 20 yrs ago and to believe that any person could burn off the number of calories someone like that would probably mean she would have to work out all day everyday & night. Diet first, diet second, diet last....you can not be classed as fit unless your diet is clean and just because you are slim does not make you healthy. There are endless studies proving the over consumption of carbs (in the form of wheat) and sugar is the downfall of everyone. Our bodies are not made to consume this constant bombardment of carbs and sugar it is empty calories and the reasons why people are so obese. There are far too many people that think if they eat carbs, sugar, excess fat then combine with lots of fruit and veg this cancels out the bad stuff and ignorance in this case is not bliss. There is endless information everywhere, books, internet, TV, radio so no excuses I'm afraid. And just because they are children doesnt mean they burn it off any better, until we feed our children a better diet consisting of less carbs, less wheat/grain based manufactured feeds & less sugar (incl fruit) then this story isnt going to be unique. Look at the items sold in the supermarket, much of it is non-foods such as biscuit, breads, cakes, crisps, pies, confectionery all of which should be consumed sparingly not wholly. A diet should be mainly meat, fish, dairy, veg, salad, nuts and some fruit. Floppy backed

5:58pm Mon 9 Dec 13

Bobevans says...

Floppy backed wrote:
SussyW wrote:
Would also help if parents would STOP driving their kids to school and picking them up, it is totally ridiculous, it could be the only exercise they have that day. We are slowly and surely "loving" our kids to an early death!
Sorry to say this is totally inaccurate (even though exercise is a must). studies have shown that children are no more inactive than 20 yrs ago and to believe that any person could burn off the number of calories someone like that would probably mean she would have to work out all day everyday & night.

Diet first, diet second, diet last....you can not be classed as fit unless your diet is clean and just because you are slim does not make you healthy.

There are endless studies proving the over consumption of carbs (in the form of wheat) and sugar is the downfall of everyone. Our bodies are not made to consume this constant bombardment of carbs and sugar it is empty calories and the reasons why people are so obese. There are far too many people that think if they eat carbs, sugar, excess fat then combine with lots of fruit and veg this cancels out the bad stuff and ignorance in this case is not bliss. There is endless information everywhere, books, internet, TV, radio so no excuses I'm afraid.

And just because they are children doesnt mean they burn it off any better, until we feed our children a better diet consisting of less carbs, less wheat/grain based manufactured feeds & less sugar (incl fruit) then this story isnt going to be unique.

Look at the items sold in the supermarket, much of it is non-foods such as biscuit, breads, cakes, crisps, pies, confectionery all of which should be consumed sparingly not wholly. A diet should be mainly meat, fish, dairy, veg, salad, nuts and some fruit.
I am afraid that is total fiction. Every report I have seen shows that children take far less exercise now. Can you give us a reference to this report that says otherwise

The concept of good and bad foods is wrong. Almost all foods are good but need to be taken in moderation. Children actually need carbs as they are still growing


Many faddy diets are actually bad as is eating salads all the time
[quote][p][bold]Floppy backed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SussyW[/bold] wrote: Would also help if parents would STOP driving their kids to school and picking them up, it is totally ridiculous, it could be the only exercise they have that day. We are slowly and surely "loving" our kids to an early death![/p][/quote]Sorry to say this is totally inaccurate (even though exercise is a must). studies have shown that children are no more inactive than 20 yrs ago and to believe that any person could burn off the number of calories someone like that would probably mean she would have to work out all day everyday & night. Diet first, diet second, diet last....you can not be classed as fit unless your diet is clean and just because you are slim does not make you healthy. There are endless studies proving the over consumption of carbs (in the form of wheat) and sugar is the downfall of everyone. Our bodies are not made to consume this constant bombardment of carbs and sugar it is empty calories and the reasons why people are so obese. There are far too many people that think if they eat carbs, sugar, excess fat then combine with lots of fruit and veg this cancels out the bad stuff and ignorance in this case is not bliss. There is endless information everywhere, books, internet, TV, radio so no excuses I'm afraid. And just because they are children doesnt mean they burn it off any better, until we feed our children a better diet consisting of less carbs, less wheat/grain based manufactured feeds & less sugar (incl fruit) then this story isnt going to be unique. Look at the items sold in the supermarket, much of it is non-foods such as biscuit, breads, cakes, crisps, pies, confectionery all of which should be consumed sparingly not wholly. A diet should be mainly meat, fish, dairy, veg, salad, nuts and some fruit.[/p][/quote]I am afraid that is total fiction. Every report I have seen shows that children take far less exercise now. Can you give us a reference to this report that says otherwise The concept of good and bad foods is wrong. Almost all foods are good but need to be taken in moderation. Children actually need carbs as they are still growing Many faddy diets are actually bad as is eating salads all the time Bobevans

6:55am Tue 10 Dec 13

white white says...

Dai Rear wrote:
Paul Cockeram, Newport’s cabinet member for Social Care and Wellbeing
"Cabinet"? To judge by
"Children aren’t learning to cook – it’s all take-aways and chicken nuggets. Children today like to eat rubbish.” His head may have been made out of a cabinet. 5 year olds don't cook for themselves. Their parent-usually in the case of the underclass- determines what they eat.
If this child had a medical condition which made her gross she'd have been taken into hospital, not care.
Agreed,what child is taught to cook around about that age, if that was even
Hinted at then then the parents would have been in more trouble, saying that
I have taught my kids cooking,at some level ,and I think it's part of of the
Learning curve, my opinion is that ncc have over reacted
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: Paul Cockeram, Newport’s cabinet member for Social Care and Wellbeing "Cabinet"? To judge by "Children aren’t learning to cook – it’s all take-aways and chicken nuggets. Children today like to eat rubbish.” His head may have been made out of a cabinet. 5 year olds don't cook for themselves. Their parent-usually in the case of the underclass- determines what they eat. If this child had a medical condition which made her gross she'd have been taken into hospital, not care.[/p][/quote]Agreed,what child is taught to cook around about that age, if that was even Hinted at then then the parents would have been in more trouble, saying that I have taught my kids cooking,at some level ,and I think it's part of of the Learning curve, my opinion is that ncc have over reacted white white

9:23am Tue 10 Dec 13

Bobevans says...

white white wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
Paul Cockeram, Newport’s cabinet member for Social Care and Wellbeing
"Cabinet"? To judge by
"Children aren’t learning to cook – it’s all take-aways and chicken nuggets. Children today like to eat rubbish.” His head may have been made out of a cabinet. 5 year olds don't cook for themselves. Their parent-usually in the case of the underclass- determines what they eat.
If this child had a medical condition which made her gross she'd have been taken into hospital, not care.
Agreed,what child is taught to cook around about that age, if that was even
Hinted at then then the parents would have been in more trouble, saying that
I have taught my kids cooking,at some level ,and I think it's part of of the
Learning curve, my opinion is that ncc have over reacted
Overreacted?. The child was 5 and weighed over 10 stone. That's on the heavy side for many adults. She was dangerously obese to the point that it could seriously affect her health and it could even cause her death
[quote][p][bold]white white[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: Paul Cockeram, Newport’s cabinet member for Social Care and Wellbeing "Cabinet"? To judge by "Children aren’t learning to cook – it’s all take-aways and chicken nuggets. Children today like to eat rubbish.” His head may have been made out of a cabinet. 5 year olds don't cook for themselves. Their parent-usually in the case of the underclass- determines what they eat. If this child had a medical condition which made her gross she'd have been taken into hospital, not care.[/p][/quote]Agreed,what child is taught to cook around about that age, if that was even Hinted at then then the parents would have been in more trouble, saying that I have taught my kids cooking,at some level ,and I think it's part of of the Learning curve, my opinion is that ncc have over reacted[/p][/quote]Overreacted?. The child was 5 and weighed over 10 stone. That's on the heavy side for many adults. She was dangerously obese to the point that it could seriously affect her health and it could even cause her death Bobevans

10:04am Tue 10 Dec 13

white white says...

Bobevans wrote:
white white wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
Paul Cockeram, Newport’s cabinet member for Social Care and Wellbeing
"Cabinet"? To judge by
"Children aren’t learning to cook – it’s all take-aways and chicken nuggets. Children today like to eat rubbish.” His head may have been made out of a cabinet. 5 year olds don't cook for themselves. Their parent-usually in the case of the underclass- determines what they eat.
If this child had a medical condition which made her gross she'd have been taken into hospital, not care.
Agreed,what child is taught to cook around about that age, if that was even
Hinted at then then the parents would have been in more trouble, saying that
I have taught my kids cooking,at some level ,and I think it's part of of the
Learning curve, my opinion is that ncc have over reacted
Overreacted?. The child was 5 and weighed over 10 stone. That's on the heavy side for many adults. She was dangerously obese to the point that it could seriously affect her health and it could even cause her death
The story suggests its a medical condition not
A parent condition,
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]white white[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: Paul Cockeram, Newport’s cabinet member for Social Care and Wellbeing "Cabinet"? To judge by "Children aren’t learning to cook – it’s all take-aways and chicken nuggets. Children today like to eat rubbish.” His head may have been made out of a cabinet. 5 year olds don't cook for themselves. Their parent-usually in the case of the underclass- determines what they eat. If this child had a medical condition which made her gross she'd have been taken into hospital, not care.[/p][/quote]Agreed,what child is taught to cook around about that age, if that was even Hinted at then then the parents would have been in more trouble, saying that I have taught my kids cooking,at some level ,and I think it's part of of the Learning curve, my opinion is that ncc have over reacted[/p][/quote]Overreacted?. The child was 5 and weighed over 10 stone. That's on the heavy side for many adults. She was dangerously obese to the point that it could seriously affect her health and it could even cause her death[/p][/quote]The story suggests its a medical condition not A parent condition, white white

4:54pm Fri 13 Dec 13

SussyW says...

Floppy backed wrote:
SussyW wrote:
Would also help if parents would STOP driving their kids to school and picking them up, it is totally ridiculous, it could be the only exercise they have that day. We are slowly and surely "loving" our kids to an early death!
Sorry to say this is totally inaccurate (even though exercise is a must). studies have shown that children are no more inactive than 20 yrs ago and to believe that any person could burn off the number of calories someone like that would probably mean she would have to work out all day everyday & night.

Diet first, diet second, diet last....you can not be classed as fit unless your diet is clean and just because you are slim does not make you healthy.

There are endless studies proving the over consumption of carbs (in the form of wheat) and sugar is the downfall of everyone. Our bodies are not made to consume this constant bombardment of carbs and sugar it is empty calories and the reasons why people are so obese. There are far too many people that think if they eat carbs, sugar, excess fat then combine with lots of fruit and veg this cancels out the bad stuff and ignorance in this case is not bliss. There is endless information everywhere, books, internet, TV, radio so no excuses I'm afraid.

And just because they are children doesnt mean they burn it off any better, until we feed our children a better diet consisting of less carbs, less wheat/grain based manufactured feeds & less sugar (incl fruit) then this story isnt going to be unique.

Look at the items sold in the supermarket, much of it is non-foods such as biscuit, breads, cakes, crisps, pies, confectionery all of which should be consumed sparingly not wholly. A diet should be mainly meat, fish, dairy, veg, salad, nuts and some fruit.
Actually walking is one of the best forms of exercise there is" and every little helps! A 10-15 min walk to school will not kill them and my even help prevent an early death as the concept of walking some times instead of taking the car will be installed in them earlier!
[quote][p][bold]Floppy backed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SussyW[/bold] wrote: Would also help if parents would STOP driving their kids to school and picking them up, it is totally ridiculous, it could be the only exercise they have that day. We are slowly and surely "loving" our kids to an early death![/p][/quote]Sorry to say this is totally inaccurate (even though exercise is a must). studies have shown that children are no more inactive than 20 yrs ago and to believe that any person could burn off the number of calories someone like that would probably mean she would have to work out all day everyday & night. Diet first, diet second, diet last....you can not be classed as fit unless your diet is clean and just because you are slim does not make you healthy. There are endless studies proving the over consumption of carbs (in the form of wheat) and sugar is the downfall of everyone. Our bodies are not made to consume this constant bombardment of carbs and sugar it is empty calories and the reasons why people are so obese. There are far too many people that think if they eat carbs, sugar, excess fat then combine with lots of fruit and veg this cancels out the bad stuff and ignorance in this case is not bliss. There is endless information everywhere, books, internet, TV, radio so no excuses I'm afraid. And just because they are children doesnt mean they burn it off any better, until we feed our children a better diet consisting of less carbs, less wheat/grain based manufactured feeds & less sugar (incl fruit) then this story isnt going to be unique. Look at the items sold in the supermarket, much of it is non-foods such as biscuit, breads, cakes, crisps, pies, confectionery all of which should be consumed sparingly not wholly. A diet should be mainly meat, fish, dairy, veg, salad, nuts and some fruit.[/p][/quote]Actually walking is one of the best forms of exercise there is" and every little helps! A 10-15 min walk to school will not kill them and my even help prevent an early death as the concept of walking some times instead of taking the car will be installed in them earlier! SussyW

4:57pm Fri 13 Dec 13

SussyW says...

SussyW wrote:
Floppy backed wrote:
SussyW wrote:
Would also help if parents would STOP driving their kids to school and picking them up, it is totally ridiculous, it could be the only exercise they have that day. We are slowly and surely "loving" our kids to an early death!
Sorry to say this is totally inaccurate (even though exercise is a must). studies have shown that children are no more inactive than 20 yrs ago and to believe that any person could burn off the number of calories someone like that would probably mean she would have to work out all day everyday & night.

Diet first, diet second, diet last....you can not be classed as fit unless your diet is clean and just because you are slim does not make you healthy.

There are endless studies proving the over consumption of carbs (in the form of wheat) and sugar is the downfall of everyone. Our bodies are not made to consume this constant bombardment of carbs and sugar it is empty calories and the reasons why people are so obese. There are far too many people that think if they eat carbs, sugar, excess fat then combine with lots of fruit and veg this cancels out the bad stuff and ignorance in this case is not bliss. There is endless information everywhere, books, internet, TV, radio so no excuses I'm afraid.

And just because they are children doesnt mean they burn it off any better, until we feed our children a better diet consisting of less carbs, less wheat/grain based manufactured feeds & less sugar (incl fruit) then this story isnt going to be unique.

Look at the items sold in the supermarket, much of it is non-foods such as biscuit, breads, cakes, crisps, pies, confectionery all of which should be consumed sparingly not wholly. A diet should be mainly meat, fish, dairy, veg, salad, nuts and some fruit.
Actually walking is one of the best forms of exercise there is" and every little helps! A 10-15 min walk to school will not kill them and my even help prevent an early death as the concept of walking some times instead of taking the car will be installed in them earlier!
And what study are you quoting from as every study every mentioned quotes the total opposite! For both adults and children.
[quote][p][bold]SussyW[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Floppy backed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SussyW[/bold] wrote: Would also help if parents would STOP driving their kids to school and picking them up, it is totally ridiculous, it could be the only exercise they have that day. We are slowly and surely "loving" our kids to an early death![/p][/quote]Sorry to say this is totally inaccurate (even though exercise is a must). studies have shown that children are no more inactive than 20 yrs ago and to believe that any person could burn off the number of calories someone like that would probably mean she would have to work out all day everyday & night. Diet first, diet second, diet last....you can not be classed as fit unless your diet is clean and just because you are slim does not make you healthy. There are endless studies proving the over consumption of carbs (in the form of wheat) and sugar is the downfall of everyone. Our bodies are not made to consume this constant bombardment of carbs and sugar it is empty calories and the reasons why people are so obese. There are far too many people that think if they eat carbs, sugar, excess fat then combine with lots of fruit and veg this cancels out the bad stuff and ignorance in this case is not bliss. There is endless information everywhere, books, internet, TV, radio so no excuses I'm afraid. And just because they are children doesnt mean they burn it off any better, until we feed our children a better diet consisting of less carbs, less wheat/grain based manufactured feeds & less sugar (incl fruit) then this story isnt going to be unique. Look at the items sold in the supermarket, much of it is non-foods such as biscuit, breads, cakes, crisps, pies, confectionery all of which should be consumed sparingly not wholly. A diet should be mainly meat, fish, dairy, veg, salad, nuts and some fruit.[/p][/quote]Actually walking is one of the best forms of exercise there is" and every little helps! A 10-15 min walk to school will not kill them and my even help prevent an early death as the concept of walking some times instead of taking the car will be installed in them earlier![/p][/quote]And what study are you quoting from as every study every mentioned quotes the total opposite! For both adults and children. SussyW

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