Delays on M4 in Newport after crash

South Wales Argus: Delays on M4 in Newport after crash Delays on M4 in Newport after crash

SLOW traffic is reported due to a accident on the M4 westbound between J26 at Malpas and J27 at Highcross.

Emergency services remain in at the scene where there is a vehicle facing the wrong way on the hard shoulder between the exit and entry slip roads at J27.

Cameras show traffic is slow on the approach.

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9:01am Fri 13 Dec 13

Magor says...

This is everyday, get the new M4 built now!
This is everyday, get the new M4 built now! Magor

10:34am Fri 13 Dec 13

NakedDancer says...

Come on Argus, Western Mail, BBC/HTV Wales, S4C etc do some proper investigative journalism. Who in the WAG is being held accountable for this chaos. We hear nothing from Butler and Griffiths about the deaths, injuries, financial loss and economic impacts on a daily basis. Someone should be resignining over this disgrace ! if it happened near London the media would be calling for the responsible minister - even the PM to resign.
Come on Argus, Western Mail, BBC/HTV Wales, S4C etc do some proper investigative journalism. Who in the WAG is being held accountable for this chaos. We hear nothing from Butler and Griffiths about the deaths, injuries, financial loss and economic impacts on a daily basis. Someone should be resignining over this disgrace ! if it happened near London the media would be calling for the responsible minister - even the PM to resign. NakedDancer

10:48am Fri 13 Dec 13

bluebanana says...

Lets not ignore NCC in this. If congestion on the A and B roads through the city was not so bad (or public transport was improved), the local traffic would not be forced to use the motorway where they only travel 1 or 2 junctions.
Lets not ignore NCC in this. If congestion on the A and B roads through the city was not so bad (or public transport was improved), the local traffic would not be forced to use the motorway where they only travel 1 or 2 junctions. bluebanana

11:24am Fri 13 Dec 13

Bobevans says...

bluebanana wrote:
Lets not ignore NCC in this. If congestion on the A and B roads through the city was not so bad (or public transport was improved), the local traffic would not be forced to use the motorway where they only travel 1 or 2 junctions.
The real problem is the poor design of this stretch of motorway. Some of the junctions such as J27 are very bad. If a Newport by pass is built some of the junctions should be closed. There are far to many junctions very close together. It would not solve the problem entirely but would be a big help it would also improve the flow of traffic
[quote][p][bold]bluebanana[/bold] wrote: Lets not ignore NCC in this. If congestion on the A and B roads through the city was not so bad (or public transport was improved), the local traffic would not be forced to use the motorway where they only travel 1 or 2 junctions.[/p][/quote]The real problem is the poor design of this stretch of motorway. Some of the junctions such as J27 are very bad. If a Newport by pass is built some of the junctions should be closed. There are far to many junctions very close together. It would not solve the problem entirely but would be a big help it would also improve the flow of traffic Bobevans

12:06pm Fri 13 Dec 13

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

Bobevans wrote:
bluebanana wrote:
Lets not ignore NCC in this. If congestion on the A and B roads through the city was not so bad (or public transport was improved), the local traffic would not be forced to use the motorway where they only travel 1 or 2 junctions.
The real problem is the poor design of this stretch of motorway. Some of the junctions such as J27 are very bad. If a Newport by pass is built some of the junctions should be closed. There are far to many junctions very close together. It would not solve the problem entirely but would be a big help it would also improve the flow of traffic
Wrong - the real problem is people not allowing themselves enough time to make their journey and driving inapropriately to the conditions.
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bluebanana[/bold] wrote: Lets not ignore NCC in this. If congestion on the A and B roads through the city was not so bad (or public transport was improved), the local traffic would not be forced to use the motorway where they only travel 1 or 2 junctions.[/p][/quote]The real problem is the poor design of this stretch of motorway. Some of the junctions such as J27 are very bad. If a Newport by pass is built some of the junctions should be closed. There are far to many junctions very close together. It would not solve the problem entirely but would be a big help it would also improve the flow of traffic[/p][/quote]Wrong - the real problem is people not allowing themselves enough time to make their journey and driving inapropriately to the conditions. GardenVarietyMushroom

12:15pm Fri 13 Dec 13

stjulians says...

I don't think it can all be blamed on the need for a new motorway/bypass/road of sorts. I think there are now a number of different drivers on this stretch... those who don't know it's no longer a strictly 50mph stretch, those who drive under 50mph, those who drive to the limit and to the limit when the matrix signs kick in and those who don't. Put a load of traffic together doing vastly different speeds and you're going to get accidents.
I don't think it can all be blamed on the need for a new motorway/bypass/road of sorts. I think there are now a number of different drivers on this stretch... those who don't know it's no longer a strictly 50mph stretch, those who drive under 50mph, those who drive to the limit and to the limit when the matrix signs kick in and those who don't. Put a load of traffic together doing vastly different speeds and you're going to get accidents. stjulians

7:30pm Fri 13 Dec 13

NakedDancer says...

GardenVarietyMushroo
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wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
bluebanana wrote:
Lets not ignore NCC in this. If congestion on the A and B roads through the city was not so bad (or public transport was improved), the local traffic would not be forced to use the motorway where they only travel 1 or 2 junctions.
The real problem is the poor design of this stretch of motorway. Some of the junctions such as J27 are very bad. If a Newport by pass is built some of the junctions should be closed. There are far to many junctions very close together. It would not solve the problem entirely but would be a big help it would also improve the flow of traffic
Wrong - the real problem is people not allowing themselves enough time to make their journey and driving inapropriately to the conditions.
Wrong. If that were the case we'd have daily crashes on every stretch of motorway. People don't suddenly start driving badly when they get to Newport. The road is not fit for purpose and its a disgrace the WAG copped out with minor upgrades to the M4 that caused years of disruption and solved nothing. I was a supporter of the WAG but they've destroyed Newport - not invested a penny.
[quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bluebanana[/bold] wrote: Lets not ignore NCC in this. If congestion on the A and B roads through the city was not so bad (or public transport was improved), the local traffic would not be forced to use the motorway where they only travel 1 or 2 junctions.[/p][/quote]The real problem is the poor design of this stretch of motorway. Some of the junctions such as J27 are very bad. If a Newport by pass is built some of the junctions should be closed. There are far to many junctions very close together. It would not solve the problem entirely but would be a big help it would also improve the flow of traffic[/p][/quote]Wrong - the real problem is people not allowing themselves enough time to make their journey and driving inapropriately to the conditions.[/p][/quote]Wrong. If that were the case we'd have daily crashes on every stretch of motorway. People don't suddenly start driving badly when they get to Newport. The road is not fit for purpose and its a disgrace the WAG copped out with minor upgrades to the M4 that caused years of disruption and solved nothing. I was a supporter of the WAG but they've destroyed Newport - not invested a penny. NakedDancer

8:58pm Fri 13 Dec 13

bluebanana says...

I dont think there is anything especially 'wrong' with the M4 through Newport, other than the 2 lane tunnel. I also dont think its particularly dangerous or difficult to navigate, no more so than other motorways across the UK. So the crashes (I can only assume) are due to driver error/carelessness and not the road layout. Would be interesting to see what the actual reasons behind the accidents are.....and where the drivers are from. Are they locals or not!?
I dont think there is anything especially 'wrong' with the M4 through Newport, other than the 2 lane tunnel. I also dont think its particularly dangerous or difficult to navigate, no more so than other motorways across the UK. So the crashes (I can only assume) are due to driver error/carelessness and not the road layout. Would be interesting to see what the actual reasons behind the accidents are.....and where the drivers are from. Are they locals or not!? bluebanana

9:18pm Fri 13 Dec 13

Limestonecowboy says...

OMG! 'are they local or not?' the M4 is not just serving Newport its part of the whole UK road network. Just put a sign up 'M4 for locals only' Royston Vasey "are you local?" we don't want outsiders here
OMG! 'are they local or not?' the M4 is not just serving Newport its part of the whole UK road network. Just put a sign up 'M4 for locals only' Royston Vasey "are you local?" we don't want outsiders here Limestonecowboy

9:35pm Fri 13 Dec 13

keithbob says...

this headline is like a stuck record,delays on M4 due to crash?
we need urgent action a.s.a.p as this motorway link is probably worse
than the M25,that was always called a giant car park when i worked
on the trucks.the sdr was never designed to take the daily overflow of traffic
trying to bypass newport.
this headline is like a stuck record,delays on M4 due to crash? we need urgent action a.s.a.p as this motorway link is probably worse than the M25,that was always called a giant car park when i worked on the trucks.the sdr was never designed to take the daily overflow of traffic trying to bypass newport. keithbob

10:53pm Fri 13 Dec 13

Bobevans says...

bluebanana wrote:
I dont think there is anything especially 'wrong' with the M4 through Newport, other than the 2 lane tunnel. I also dont think its particularly dangerous or difficult to navigate, no more so than other motorways across the UK. So the crashes (I can only assume) are due to driver error/carelessness and not the road layout. Would be interesting to see what the actual reasons behind the accidents are.....and where the drivers are from. Are they locals or not!?
So you are claiming that drivers on the section of M4 through Newport drive more badly than they drive on any other section of a motorway in the UK

Don't you think your claim is daft?. Could it be that even when first built it did not meet Motorway standards?
[quote][p][bold]bluebanana[/bold] wrote: I dont think there is anything especially 'wrong' with the M4 through Newport, other than the 2 lane tunnel. I also dont think its particularly dangerous or difficult to navigate, no more so than other motorways across the UK. So the crashes (I can only assume) are due to driver error/carelessness and not the road layout. Would be interesting to see what the actual reasons behind the accidents are.....and where the drivers are from. Are they locals or not!?[/p][/quote]So you are claiming that drivers on the section of M4 through Newport drive more badly than they drive on any other section of a motorway in the UK Don't you think your claim is daft?. Could it be that even when first built it did not meet Motorway standards? Bobevans

10:44am Sat 14 Dec 13

bluebanana says...

Bobevans wrote:
bluebanana wrote:
I dont think there is anything especially 'wrong' with the M4 through Newport, other than the 2 lane tunnel. I also dont think its particularly dangerous or difficult to navigate, no more so than other motorways across the UK. So the crashes (I can only assume) are due to driver error/carelessness and not the road layout. Would be interesting to see what the actual reasons behind the accidents are.....and where the drivers are from. Are they locals or not!?
So you are claiming that drivers on the section of M4 through Newport drive more badly than they drive on any other section of a motorway in the UK

Don't you think your claim is daft?. Could it be that even when first built it did not meet Motorway standards?
That isn't what I'm claiming, no, as I have not suggested there are more accidents through Newport than anywhere else in the UK. I was just speculating as to the possible cause of accidents on Newport's M4 as I dont believe it has anything to do with it's 'standard' as a road which would leave me to assume the cause could be mostly due to driver error (as it is in most accidents everywhere else).

As I get to sample 20,000 miles of road a year, although I dont know the causes of every crash, I can confirm that motorway incidents occur several times a day on every motorway so Newport is not a special case. Try some of Englands motorways, through, between and around built up areas. You'll see that there is no difference with the M4 through Newport. What does that tell you?!

The reference to locals is to ascertain whether or not they were using the M4 as a rat run to get from one side of town to another, or whether they are long distance drivers passing through. Then see earlier comment about trying to get local traffic off the motorway, which reducing the number of exits, would help.
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bluebanana[/bold] wrote: I dont think there is anything especially 'wrong' with the M4 through Newport, other than the 2 lane tunnel. I also dont think its particularly dangerous or difficult to navigate, no more so than other motorways across the UK. So the crashes (I can only assume) are due to driver error/carelessness and not the road layout. Would be interesting to see what the actual reasons behind the accidents are.....and where the drivers are from. Are they locals or not!?[/p][/quote]So you are claiming that drivers on the section of M4 through Newport drive more badly than they drive on any other section of a motorway in the UK Don't you think your claim is daft?. Could it be that even when first built it did not meet Motorway standards?[/p][/quote]That isn't what I'm claiming, no, as I have not suggested there are more accidents through Newport than anywhere else in the UK. I was just speculating as to the possible cause of accidents on Newport's M4 as I dont believe it has anything to do with it's 'standard' as a road which would leave me to assume the cause could be mostly due to driver error (as it is in most accidents everywhere else). As I get to sample 20,000 miles of road a year, although I dont know the causes of every crash, I can confirm that motorway incidents occur several times a day on every motorway so Newport is not a special case. Try some of Englands motorways, through, between and around built up areas. You'll see that there is no difference with the M4 through Newport. What does that tell you?! The reference to locals is to ascertain whether or not they were using the M4 as a rat run to get from one side of town to another, or whether they are long distance drivers passing through. Then see earlier comment about trying to get local traffic off the motorway, which reducing the number of exits, would help. bluebanana

10:51am Sat 14 Dec 13

bluebanana says...

Limestonecowboy wrote:
OMG! 'are they local or not?' the M4 is not just serving Newport its part of the whole UK road network. Just put a sign up 'M4 for locals only' Royston Vasey "are you local?" we don't want outsiders here
Yes, thats exactly my point. Motorways are (should be) for longer distance travelling.
[quote][p][bold]Limestonecowboy[/bold] wrote: OMG! 'are they local or not?' the M4 is not just serving Newport its part of the whole UK road network. Just put a sign up 'M4 for locals only' Royston Vasey "are you local?" we don't want outsiders here[/p][/quote]Yes, thats exactly my point. Motorways are (should be) for longer distance travelling. bluebanana

12:41pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Thomas O'Malley says...

I travel up to 40,000 mile per year. I cant recall any other stretch of motorway (even the M25) that has an almost DAILY incident that causes lanes or the whole motorway to be closed along with the deaths, injuries and financial loss that incurs. Of course almost every collision involves driver error to some degree so there's no point getting on the high horse about driving better. The very high volume of traffic on this road is unforgiving to mistakes, compounded by the narrowing at the tunnel, many junctions in a relatively short stretch and some tight bends and uphill/downhill stretches. People travel short distances on motorways (eg 1 junction) all over the UK - motorways are not just for long distance travel but for safe high speed (up to 70 mph) driving and this road is simply not fit for purpose to carry the volume of traffic if has to cope with. The M4 relief road should be for through traffic with minimal and spaced out exists to Newport. That's the only safe and viable option.
I travel up to 40,000 mile per year. I cant recall any other stretch of motorway (even the M25) that has an almost DAILY incident that causes lanes or the whole motorway to be closed along with the deaths, injuries and financial loss that incurs. Of course almost every collision involves driver error to some degree so there's no point getting on the high horse about driving better. The very high volume of traffic on this road is unforgiving to mistakes, compounded by the narrowing at the tunnel, many junctions in a relatively short stretch and some tight bends and uphill/downhill stretches. People travel short distances on motorways (eg 1 junction) all over the UK - motorways are not just for long distance travel but for safe high speed (up to 70 mph) driving and this road is simply not fit for purpose to carry the volume of traffic if has to cope with. The M4 relief road should be for through traffic with minimal and spaced out exists to Newport. That's the only safe and viable option. Thomas O'Malley

6:05pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Bobevans says...

keithbob wrote:
this headline is like a stuck record,delays on M4 due to crash?
we need urgent action a.s.a.p as this motorway link is probably worse
than the M25,that was always called a giant car park when i worked
on the trucks.the sdr was never designed to take the daily overflow of traffic
trying to bypass newport.
The M25 has been improved a lot and other than congestion at peaks is pretty good given the level of traffic on it. Some of the problems with the M25 are to many junction and it gets used to travel short distance around London so people go onto it and come off at the next junction
[quote][p][bold]keithbob[/bold] wrote: this headline is like a stuck record,delays on M4 due to crash? we need urgent action a.s.a.p as this motorway link is probably worse than the M25,that was always called a giant car park when i worked on the trucks.the sdr was never designed to take the daily overflow of traffic trying to bypass newport.[/p][/quote]The M25 has been improved a lot and other than congestion at peaks is pretty good given the level of traffic on it. Some of the problems with the M25 are to many junction and it gets used to travel short distance around London so people go onto it and come off at the next junction Bobevans

11:49am Tue 17 Dec 13

_Bryan_ says...

I don't have any evidence beyond my own experience of driving on the road, but I think a big contributor to crashes and delays is the fact that the nearside lane becomes an exit filter lane very shortly after traffic has joined the motorway.

This means drivers are switching into and out of the nearside lane at disparate speeds, significantly increasing congestion and the risk of a collision.

One temporary solution would be to change one or two junctions so that they are either "Exit only" or "Join only". I've seen this work well on other motorways, particularly where junctions are so close together as in Newport.
I don't have any evidence beyond my own experience of driving on the road, but I think a big contributor to crashes and delays is the fact that the nearside lane becomes an exit filter lane very shortly after traffic has joined the motorway. This means drivers are switching into and out of the nearside lane at disparate speeds, significantly increasing congestion and the risk of a collision. One temporary solution would be to change one or two junctions so that they are either "Exit only" or "Join only". I've seen this work well on other motorways, particularly where junctions are so close together as in Newport. _Bryan_

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