Newport gypsy plans slammed

A STEEL firm, two housing developers, two schools and a number of local businesses have joined in with objections to proposed gypsy sites in Newport.

Earlier this year a group of councillors recommended three gypsy sites at Hartridge Farm Road, Ringland Allotments and Celtic Way to be included in the local development plan (LDP). But the plans have attracted a raft of criticism from residents, private firms and schools – as well as the Welsh Government.

Councillors will decide whether to sign off the revised deposit LDP for 2011 to 2026, to go to the Welsh Government for a public examination at a meeting next Thursday. The owner of Llanwern steelworks Tata Steel said a proposed residential site for gypsies and travellers at Hartridge Farm Road is significantly bigger than Welsh guidelines for sites, and could pose a health and safety risk with the A48 and railway lines nearby.

The firm is concerned “the scale of the proposed allocation, 43 pitches and potentially circa 129 caravans will be difficult to manage”. Governors at Llanwern High School objected too, saying its size “may lead to costly damage... in terms of physical damage, reputation and image of the school”.

Ysgol Gymraeg Casnewydd – a primary school in Hartridge – objected to the site on traffic grounds. Gallagher Estates has opposed the back-up Ringland Allotments proposal. Concern has also been expressed at the impact a proposed transit site at Celtic Way, Coedkernew, could have on business. Cyncoedproperty.co.uk, the landlord for several shops at Celtic Springs, said a large company is considering the area for a project of 250-300 jobs.

“This company has had cause to ask about these proposals and indeed have now deferred their decision,” the company told the council.

Commercial Property advisors Fletcher Morgan said it is marketing properties at Imperial Park, but a number of potential enquiries “refuse to consider the location once they are aware” of the Celtic Way plan. Hi-tech company, Abriox, said it may vacate Imperial Park if the proposal went ahead.

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11:19am Mon 16 Dec 13

Oriel Bufton says...

I own some land that the gypsies could site their caravans on if they want-there is a drawback though, They would have to pay for it. Still they all appear to have plenty of the folding stuff!
I own some land that the gypsies could site their caravans on if they want-there is a drawback though, They would have to pay for it. Still they all appear to have plenty of the folding stuff! Oriel Bufton

1:23pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Woodgnome says...

No doubt the Council's rock solid labour majority will be brought in to play. The good people of Newport elected such a solid majority presumably thinking they would make a difference - well now we know what the difference is. The Council will now have to take full responsibility for reopening the issue on the pretext of lack of consultation by the previous coalition.
They are damned whatever they do and I suspect they now take the view that they will get a hiding wherever they put a site so might as well stick with these ones.
Remarkable that a Council funded school is objecting so publicly, especially when they have a duty to promote diversity and equality. Just shows the level of feelings.
No doubt the Council's rock solid labour majority will be brought in to play. The good people of Newport elected such a solid majority presumably thinking they would make a difference - well now we know what the difference is. The Council will now have to take full responsibility for reopening the issue on the pretext of lack of consultation by the previous coalition. They are damned whatever they do and I suspect they now take the view that they will get a hiding wherever they put a site so might as well stick with these ones. Remarkable that a Council funded school is objecting so publicly, especially when they have a duty to promote diversity and equality. Just shows the level of feelings. Woodgnome

2:20pm Mon 16 Dec 13

sooty001 says...

Woodgnome wrote:
No doubt the Council's rock solid labour majority will be brought in to play. The good people of Newport elected such a solid majority presumably thinking they would make a difference - well now we know what the difference is. The Council will now have to take full responsibility for reopening the issue on the pretext of lack of consultation by the previous coalition.
They are damned whatever they do and I suspect they now take the view that they will get a hiding wherever they put a site so might as well stick with these ones.
Remarkable that a Council funded school is objecting so publicly, especially when they have a duty to promote diversity and equality. Just shows the level of feelings.
It's not very often I agree with Woodgnome but I am with you 100% on this one.
[quote][p][bold]Woodgnome[/bold] wrote: No doubt the Council's rock solid labour majority will be brought in to play. The good people of Newport elected such a solid majority presumably thinking they would make a difference - well now we know what the difference is. The Council will now have to take full responsibility for reopening the issue on the pretext of lack of consultation by the previous coalition. They are damned whatever they do and I suspect they now take the view that they will get a hiding wherever they put a site so might as well stick with these ones. Remarkable that a Council funded school is objecting so publicly, especially when they have a duty to promote diversity and equality. Just shows the level of feelings.[/p][/quote]It's not very often I agree with Woodgnome but I am with you 100% on this one. sooty001

3:49pm Mon 16 Dec 13

whatintheworld says...

another week - another story about gypsy sites.

give them a bloody site and be done with it
another week - another story about gypsy sites. give them a bloody site and be done with it whatintheworld

5:53pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Magor says...

They are not wanted in Newport they can go to the empty site in Avonmouth.
They are not wanted in Newport they can go to the empty site in Avonmouth. Magor

6:28pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Llanmartinangel says...

whatintheworld wrote:
another week - another story about gypsy sites.

give them a bloody site and be done with it
Just not near you presumably? People cannot understand why this group are pandered to. The story last week of a gypsy family flouting planning laws and allowed to get away with it where you or I would not. The views of council tax payers are being ignored.
[quote][p][bold]whatintheworld[/bold] wrote: another week - another story about gypsy sites. give them a bloody site and be done with it[/p][/quote]Just not near you presumably? People cannot understand why this group are pandered to. The story last week of a gypsy family flouting planning laws and allowed to get away with it where you or I would not. The views of council tax payers are being ignored. Llanmartinangel

8:24am Tue 17 Dec 13

lowandhardandinthecorner says...

It's not surprising, is it? For those of you who've never had a Gypsy encampment near you, let me explain. My local park was invaded by them on two occasions last summer, their presence made it unpleasant for young mothers and children from using the playground and they drove their vehicles all over the football pitches damaging the surface. When they left, the mess they left behind was disgusting.
No wonder no-one wants to be within light-years of their nuisance!
It's not surprising, is it? For those of you who've never had a Gypsy encampment near you, let me explain. My local park was invaded by them on two occasions last summer, their presence made it unpleasant for young mothers and children from using the playground and they drove their vehicles all over the football pitches damaging the surface. When they left, the mess they left behind was disgusting. No wonder no-one wants to be within light-years of their nuisance! lowandhardandinthecorner

8:31am Tue 17 Dec 13

Llanmartinangel says...

lowandhardandintheco
rner
wrote:
It's not surprising, is it? For those of you who've never had a Gypsy encampment near you, let me explain. My local park was invaded by them on two occasions last summer, their presence made it unpleasant for young mothers and children from using the playground and they drove their vehicles all over the football pitches damaging the surface. When they left, the mess they left behind was disgusting.
No wonder no-one wants to be within light-years of their nuisance!
Why do you think the proposed sites are nowhere near where the councillors live? Just the people who pay.
[quote][p][bold]lowandhardandintheco rner[/bold] wrote: It's not surprising, is it? For those of you who've never had a Gypsy encampment near you, let me explain. My local park was invaded by them on two occasions last summer, their presence made it unpleasant for young mothers and children from using the playground and they drove their vehicles all over the football pitches damaging the surface. When they left, the mess they left behind was disgusting. No wonder no-one wants to be within light-years of their nuisance![/p][/quote]Why do you think the proposed sites are nowhere near where the councillors live? Just the people who pay. Llanmartinangel

10:01am Tue 17 Dec 13

_Bryan_ says...

Can we as a country not just nominate one of those uninhabited islands off the North coast of Scotland as the national Gypsy site?
Can we as a country not just nominate one of those uninhabited islands off the North coast of Scotland as the national Gypsy site? _Bryan_

4:42pm Tue 17 Dec 13

GazaCity says...

Oriel Bufton wrote:
I own some land that the gypsies could site their caravans on if they want-there is a drawback though, They would have to pay for it. Still they all appear to have plenty of the folding stuff!
Gypsies and travellers that I've met are more than willing to pay for land, they are up against hate and bias.
[quote][p][bold]Oriel Bufton[/bold] wrote: I own some land that the gypsies could site their caravans on if they want-there is a drawback though, They would have to pay for it. Still they all appear to have plenty of the folding stuff![/p][/quote]Gypsies and travellers that I've met are more than willing to pay for land, they are up against hate and bias. GazaCity

8:18pm Tue 17 Dec 13

GogExile says...

GazaCity wrote:
Oriel Bufton wrote:
I own some land that the gypsies could site their caravans on if they want-there is a drawback though, They would have to pay for it. Still they all appear to have plenty of the folding stuff!
Gypsies and travellers that I've met are more than willing to pay for land, they are up against hate and bias.
No, they're up against the same planning laws as the rest of the population. Not giving someone preferential treatment doesn't constitute hate or bias.
[quote][p][bold]GazaCity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oriel Bufton[/bold] wrote: I own some land that the gypsies could site their caravans on if they want-there is a drawback though, They would have to pay for it. Still they all appear to have plenty of the folding stuff![/p][/quote]Gypsies and travellers that I've met are more than willing to pay for land, they are up against hate and bias.[/p][/quote]No, they're up against the same planning laws as the rest of the population. Not giving someone preferential treatment doesn't constitute hate or bias. GogExile

2:17pm Wed 8 Jan 14

Welshman76 says...

lowandhardandintheco
rner
wrote:
It's not surprising, is it? For those of you who've never had a Gypsy encampment near you, let me explain. My local park was invaded by them on two occasions last summer, their presence made it unpleasant for young mothers and children from using the playground and they drove their vehicles all over the football pitches damaging the surface. When they left, the mess they left behind was disgusting.
No wonder no-one wants to be within light-years of their nuisance!
This is why a site is needed. If a site is provided, there will be powers to move them on. The issue is that nobody wants a site near them and unfortunately whatever the decision, it is never going to be a popular decision.
[quote][p][bold]lowandhardandintheco rner[/bold] wrote: It's not surprising, is it? For those of you who've never had a Gypsy encampment near you, let me explain. My local park was invaded by them on two occasions last summer, their presence made it unpleasant for young mothers and children from using the playground and they drove their vehicles all over the football pitches damaging the surface. When they left, the mess they left behind was disgusting. No wonder no-one wants to be within light-years of their nuisance![/p][/quote]This is why a site is needed. If a site is provided, there will be powers to move them on. The issue is that nobody wants a site near them and unfortunately whatever the decision, it is never going to be a popular decision. Welshman76

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