ARGUS ARCHIVE: 25 years ago - Plans for £70m Newport shopping complex centred around Debenhams go on show

South Wales Argus: ARGUS ARCHIVE: 25 years ago - Plans for £70m Newport shopping centre on show ARGUS ARCHIVE: 25 years ago - Plans for £70m Newport shopping centre on show

25 years ago

THE architectural plans for Debenhams £70m town centre development went on display at the Museum and Library in John Frost Square. Burton Property Trust’s PR team sent staff out with questionnaires, asking the public’s opinion on the scheme.

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12:57pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Vox Dei says...

And the "Debenhams don't destroy Dock Street" protests were born. Just think what things might have been like now were it not for the NIMBYs...
And the "Debenhams don't destroy Dock Street" protests were born. Just think what things might have been like now were it not for the NIMBYs... Vox Dei

1:49pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Floppy backed says...

Having been in Debenhams in Cardiff at the weekend I can confidently say that store hasnt long left, it was empty, dreadful clothing, awful layout and we couldnt get out of there quick enough - depressing. Unless this trademark improves pretty swifty there will no longer be a Debenhams....
Having been in Debenhams in Cardiff at the weekend I can confidently say that store hasnt long left, it was empty, dreadful clothing, awful layout and we couldnt get out of there quick enough - depressing. Unless this trademark improves pretty swifty there will no longer be a Debenhams.... Floppy backed

1:56pm Thu 19 Dec 13

portman says...

I think it was Charlie ferris and his mate from bands newsagents were the leaders of this pressure group apologies if i am wrong ,
I think it was Charlie ferris and his mate from bands newsagents were the leaders of this pressure group apologies if i am wrong , portman

1:57pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Bobevans says...

Debenhams are believed to be in trouble.

Debenhams said it was seeking a one-off fee from suppliers worth 2.5pc of its outstanding payments as of Tuesday and as there payment terms are a 120 days credit that goes back to August. It will also apply a 2.5pc discount to orders it has agreed with suppliers.

So the reason the Cardiff store is short of stock may be down to suppliers being reluctant to do any further business with them unless they pay upfront

It is also rumoured that they may pull out of any new store openings unless they are so far down the road that they cannot pull out
Debenhams are believed to be in trouble. Debenhams said it was seeking a one-off fee from suppliers worth 2.5pc of its outstanding payments as of Tuesday and as there payment terms are a 120 days credit that goes back to August. It will also apply a 2.5pc discount to orders it has agreed with suppliers. So the reason the Cardiff store is short of stock may be down to suppliers being reluctant to do any further business with them unless they pay upfront It is also rumoured that they may pull out of any new store openings unless they are so far down the road that they cannot pull out Bobevans

2:37pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Ian MacKinlay says...

What happened to Brian Adcock? *

When I asked him in 1988, at a meeting in the Newport Centre, why the then yet-to-be-built new bus station would not be built near the railway station, he basically said Debenhams wouldn't like it.

The developers at the time were Regalian Properties.

*Brian Adcock was the wizz-kid of a "town development manager", whom Newport Council had specially recruited from elsewhere, who was going to see to it that everything in the garden would be lovely.

The chances are he was not really given a chance and allowed to do his job properly.

Would you want to work for a council like this one?

Heavens forbid.
What happened to Brian Adcock? * When I asked him in 1988, at a meeting in the Newport Centre, why the then yet-to-be-built new bus station would not be built near the railway station, he basically said Debenhams wouldn't like it. The developers at the time were Regalian Properties. *Brian Adcock was the wizz-kid of a "town development manager", whom Newport Council had specially recruited from elsewhere, who was going to see to it that everything in the garden would be lovely. The chances are he was not really given a chance and allowed to do his job properly. Would you want to work for a council like this one? Heavens forbid. Ian MacKinlay

2:44pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Ian MacKinlay says...

Bobevans wrote:
Debenhams are believed to be in trouble.

Debenhams said it was seeking a one-off fee from suppliers worth 2.5pc of its outstanding payments as of Tuesday and as there payment terms are a 120 days credit that goes back to August. It will also apply a 2.5pc discount to orders it has agreed with suppliers.

So the reason the Cardiff store is short of stock may be down to suppliers being reluctant to do any further business with them unless they pay upfront

It is also rumoured that they may pull out of any new store openings unless they are so far down the road that they cannot pull out
Never mind, Bob.

Look on the "Bright" side of things.

The "99P Stores", the biggest in Europe, will be back in the New Year, with a fresh planning application.
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: Debenhams are believed to be in trouble. Debenhams said it was seeking a one-off fee from suppliers worth 2.5pc of its outstanding payments as of Tuesday and as there payment terms are a 120 days credit that goes back to August. It will also apply a 2.5pc discount to orders it has agreed with suppliers. So the reason the Cardiff store is short of stock may be down to suppliers being reluctant to do any further business with them unless they pay upfront It is also rumoured that they may pull out of any new store openings unless they are so far down the road that they cannot pull out[/p][/quote]Never mind, Bob. Look on the "Bright" side of things. The "99P Stores", the biggest in Europe, will be back in the New Year, with a fresh planning application. Ian MacKinlay

3:24pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Chartist follower says...

So no Debenhams then or now.
But Mr Dim has borrowed the money on the basis of a big let that will never happen.
Destroys the mural for an empty shopping centre that the Council will then have to run -which of course they will do badly or expensively and then sell leaving Newport with a large debt.

What is the matter with the Labout Party that they put up with such an enormously bad leader with no vision and no ideas.
Do they no longer care about Newport?
All of the heads of department in the Council live outside Newport so they do not care either.
So no Debenhams then or now. But Mr Dim has borrowed the money on the basis of a big let that will never happen. Destroys the mural for an empty shopping centre that the Council will then have to run -which of course they will do badly or expensively and then sell leaving Newport with a large debt. What is the matter with the Labout Party that they put up with such an enormously bad leader with no vision and no ideas. Do they no longer care about Newport? All of the heads of department in the Council live outside Newport so they do not care either. Chartist follower

3:42pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Bobevans says...

Chartist follower wrote:
So no Debenhams then or now.
But Mr Dim has borrowed the money on the basis of a big let that will never happen.
Destroys the mural for an empty shopping centre that the Council will then have to run -which of course they will do badly or expensively and then sell leaving Newport with a large debt.

What is the matter with the Labout Party that they put up with such an enormously bad leader with no vision and no ideas.
Do they no longer care about Newport?
All of the heads of department in the Council live outside Newport so they do not care either.
I am not saying No Debenhams but they are not doing well and are demanding discounts from their suppliers for goods already bought as well as for future orders. Margins are slim so I suspect many suppliers will not agree to the 2.5% discount.

With big store chain they agree an annual pricing and the store agrees to take a certain quantity goods from the supplier. The goods being called of against a weekly or monthly schedule. This schedule can b flexed quite a bit but they have to take the agreed annual quantity if they do not the unit price increases. I suspect Debenhams are not going to meet the quantities they are committed to take hence they want to try to force a discount on their suppliers
[quote][p][bold]Chartist follower[/bold] wrote: So no Debenhams then or now. But Mr Dim has borrowed the money on the basis of a big let that will never happen. Destroys the mural for an empty shopping centre that the Council will then have to run -which of course they will do badly or expensively and then sell leaving Newport with a large debt. What is the matter with the Labout Party that they put up with such an enormously bad leader with no vision and no ideas. Do they no longer care about Newport? All of the heads of department in the Council live outside Newport so they do not care either.[/p][/quote]I am not saying No Debenhams but they are not doing well and are demanding discounts from their suppliers for goods already bought as well as for future orders. Margins are slim so I suspect many suppliers will not agree to the 2.5% discount. With big store chain they agree an annual pricing and the store agrees to take a certain quantity goods from the supplier. The goods being called of against a weekly or monthly schedule. This schedule can b flexed quite a bit but they have to take the agreed annual quantity if they do not the unit price increases. I suspect Debenhams are not going to meet the quantities they are committed to take hence they want to try to force a discount on their suppliers Bobevans

4:24pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Port0214 says...

I suspect if it had been built half of it would be empty by now, £90 million of our money for the latest incarnation is too little too late.

Income per head of population is some of the lowest in the country, the access by car is dreadful thanks to the anti car council, this is another poor decision in a long line of poor decisions going back to the 1960's.

I will use it if its any good and wish the developers and the council all the best, the fact that the developer could not raise the capital speaks volumes.
I suspect if it had been built half of it would be empty by now, £90 million of our money for the latest incarnation is too little too late. Income per head of population is some of the lowest in the country, the access by car is dreadful thanks to the anti car council, this is another poor decision in a long line of poor decisions going back to the 1960's. I will use it if its any good and wish the developers and the council all the best, the fact that the developer could not raise the capital speaks volumes. Port0214

5:06pm Thu 19 Dec 13

KarloMarko says...

Why don't Newport Council and the every loyal Argus hold a "Plan for a new Debenhams" wake EVERY 25 years? Brass bands could play in the High Street and the Argus staff could dress in clothes of that period while handing out beer, chips and hot pies at the old prices? Wrapped of course in an old Argus and a glossy development plan.

It would be a great family day out and a trip down memory lane for the pensioners.
Why don't Newport Council and the every loyal Argus hold a "Plan for a new Debenhams" wake EVERY 25 years? Brass bands could play in the High Street and the Argus staff could dress in clothes of that period while handing out beer, chips and hot pies at the old prices? Wrapped of course in an old Argus and a glossy development plan. It would be a great family day out and a trip down memory lane for the pensioners. KarloMarko

6:58pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Bobevans says...

Latest news from the High Street I not goo. Most stores are now bring forward their sales

M&S is having a 30% Mega day sale on Saturday, M&S, Debenhams is running a half-price sale, Gap and Austin Reed are offering up to 60 per cent off selected items of clothing, House of Fraser has cut prices by as much as 75 per cent and Argos has launched a half-price toy sale.


Cleary the stores are seriously struggling to meet their sales targets and if they do not some could be in trouble

There were fears at least two chains may not make it through to the New Year given the need to find the money to pay the quarterly rent bill next week.
Latest news from the High Street I not goo. Most stores are now bring forward their sales M&S is having a 30% Mega day sale on Saturday, M&S, Debenhams is running a half-price sale, Gap and Austin Reed are offering up to 60 per cent off selected items of clothing, House of Fraser has cut prices by as much as 75 per cent and Argos has launched a half-price toy sale. Cleary the stores are seriously struggling to meet their sales targets and if they do not some could be in trouble There were fears at least two chains may not make it through to the New Year given the need to find the money to pay the quarterly rent bill next week. Bobevans

1:13am Fri 20 Dec 13

Tim NPT says...

Vox Dei wrote:
And the "Debenhams don't destroy Dock Street" protests were born. Just think what things might have been like now were it not for the NIMBYs...
Maybe if you were an independant trader 25 years ago you may of felt different about Debenhams then
[quote][p][bold]Vox Dei[/bold] wrote: And the "Debenhams don't destroy Dock Street" protests were born. Just think what things might have been like now were it not for the NIMBYs...[/p][/quote]Maybe if you were an independant trader 25 years ago you may of felt different about Debenhams then Tim NPT

12:00pm Sun 12 Jan 14

eyejayaitch says...

So now there's a big hole where the town centre used to be, I suspect that in 10 years it will still be a big hole, whether it's rebuilt or not. Let's face it, anything that does manage to get built is already obsolete as Cardiff already has it only bigger and better. 25 years to build a Debenhams and still no sign of it or any real guarantee that it will actually be built. The Town/City centre is destroyed, beautiful buildings are left empty and unloved for what? That someone in the council 25 years ago thought it would be a grand idea to have a flagship store in the town centre but what we have all these years later is the same as we had then, nothing. Except of course for a big hole where the town centre used to be.
So now there's a big hole where the town centre used to be, I suspect that in 10 years it will still be a big hole, whether it's rebuilt or not. Let's face it, anything that does manage to get built is already obsolete as Cardiff already has it only bigger and better. 25 years to build a Debenhams and still no sign of it or any real guarantee that it will actually be built. The Town/City centre is destroyed, beautiful buildings are left empty and unloved for what? That someone in the council 25 years ago thought it would be a grand idea to have a flagship store in the town centre but what we have all these years later is the same as we had then, nothing. Except of course for a big hole where the town centre used to be. eyejayaitch

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