Newport gypsy sites plan gets the go-ahead

South Wales Argus: Newport gypsy sites plan gets the go-ahead Newport gypsy sites plan gets the go-ahead

NEWPORT councillors gave the green light to a contentious plan to build three gypsy sites in the city in a council meeting held yesterday.

Councillors voted that the Local Development Plan, which sets out sites for planning until 2026, will now go to the Welsh Government for approval.

Of the members, 29 voted in favour, ten voted against and six abstained.

Cllr John Richards, cabinet member for regeneration and development, said the plan was “fundamental” to the city’s development in the future.

Two women in the public gallery voiced their discontent.

One shouted “shocking” while another asked: “Where do you live?”

In a heated meeting, mayor of Newport Cllr Cliff Suller appealed for people to stop shouting out from the public gallery three times and threatened people with removal if they were not quiet.

When the vote had been passed, people walked out of the council chamber.

One man said “see you in court” and a woman shouted “you haven’t served Newport”.

An amendment by Ringland councillor Emma Corten, which asked for the Hartridge Farm Road site to be removed from the plan, failed to be supported by councillors.

She said the site, which would have had 43 pitches, was “far too big” and that her objections were “absolutely not based on Nimby-ism”.

She said the council should focus on providing an “actually deliverable site”.

Cllr Bob Bright, the leader of the council, supported the amendment. He said “5,800 people cannot be wrong,” referring to the number of signatories on petitions against that site.

He said he felt a “feeling of unease” supporting the plan.

But only 15 councillors supported the amendment.

The city council is obliged by the Housing Act 2004 to build the sites.

But council officers said it had more than 14,000 signatories on petitions objecting to three gypsy sites.

The other two smaller sites at Celtic Way near Duffryn and the Ringland allotments were also passed.

In the plan the council said it expects about 10,350 new homes and 7,400 new jobs to be brought to the city by 2026.

And it expects to build 2,500 affordable homes as part of 8,900 that are planned in that time.

Earlier this week, it was revealed schools and businesses had objected to the proposed gypsy sites in Newport.

Tata Steel, the owner of the Llanwern steelworks, voiced their concern and said the Hartridge Farm Road residential site would be significantly bigger than what Welsh guidelines allow.

In November consultants who had been commissioned by the Ringland Matters group who were opposed to the plans for Hartridge Farm Road said the proposed site’s size was the “most obvious conflict”.

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10:07am Fri 20 Dec 13

33daverave says...

In effect the houses around Hartridge have now become worthless.For what ? A PC excercise for a few gypsies.
I hope these people are compensated and council taxes are lowered for them.
In effect the houses around Hartridge have now become worthless.For what ? A PC excercise for a few gypsies. I hope these people are compensated and council taxes are lowered for them. 33daverave

10:13am Fri 20 Dec 13

_Bryan_ says...

Buried amongst the furor over the Gypsy sites is this little nugget:

"In the plan the council said it expects about 10,350 new homes and 7,400 new jobs to be brought to the city by 2026"

Even the most simple of maths would show a flaw in those figures. If only one person in each household is of working age the council are working on the basis of a 25% unemployment rate. With many households now containing two working-age people, the actual planned unemployment rate is closer to 50%.
Buried amongst the furor over the Gypsy sites is this little nugget: "In the plan the council said it expects about 10,350 new homes and 7,400 new jobs to be brought to the city by 2026" Even the most simple of maths would show a flaw in those figures. If only one person in each household is of working age the council are working on the basis of a 25% unemployment rate. With many households now containing two working-age people, the actual planned unemployment rate is closer to 50%. _Bryan_

10:17am Fri 20 Dec 13

blackandamber says...

Just keep on voting for the Labour party locally and nationally and see how much worse it can get.
Just keep on voting for the Labour party locally and nationally and see how much worse it can get. blackandamber

10:55am Fri 20 Dec 13

Vox Dei says...

_Bryan_ wrote:
Buried amongst the furor over the Gypsy sites is this little nugget:

"In the plan the council said it expects about 10,350 new homes and 7,400 new jobs to be brought to the city by 2026"

Even the most simple of maths would show a flaw in those figures. If only one person in each household is of working age the council are working on the basis of a 25% unemployment rate. With many households now containing two working-age people, the actual planned unemployment rate is closer to 50%.
You do realise that retired people and people who work elsewhere need houses too, right?
[quote][p][bold]_Bryan_[/bold] wrote: Buried amongst the furor over the Gypsy sites is this little nugget: "In the plan the council said it expects about 10,350 new homes and 7,400 new jobs to be brought to the city by 2026" Even the most simple of maths would show a flaw in those figures. If only one person in each household is of working age the council are working on the basis of a 25% unemployment rate. With many households now containing two working-age people, the actual planned unemployment rate is closer to 50%.[/p][/quote]You do realise that retired people and people who work elsewhere need houses too, right? Vox Dei

11:18am Fri 20 Dec 13

Votefornoneoftheabove says...

This really does amaze me, Councillor Bright the local councillor for Ringland who lives in Newport City centre gets the Labour councillors to vote for the £90m City Centre Development and they have to tow the party line because that is what he wanted and where he lives.

When it comes to the ward he represents but does not live in, he lets a free vote take place and the people who voted for him in Ringland and his near 50k a year allowance get this appalling decision.

I am not anti traveller as there does need to be a site,but surely a site that is on the outskirts of the city that does not affect any housing estate or new development.

As for councillor Richards was he not the one who said Bob Bright is the best council leader we ever had? I would too if I was him as he has a nice cushy cabinet job giving him an allowance of nearly £30 k a year.

Councillors, Bright, Corten and Linton you have failed us and the last minute amendment that was thrown in was just a token gesture to say, we tried. Linton tried the same smoke screen a few months ago and had no support, as he knew it was just an exercise in saying I tried but the big boys and girls of the Labour machine over ruled me.

The best part of this will be when the next election comes around and the people of Ringland will again vote for the same people who treat the electorate in this way.

We will get the spiel now that it has to go in front of the WA for approval and Ringland may get a reprieve, but if Councillor Corten can base an argument on the fact that the site is simply too big and not on the principle that the people of Ringland simply do not want it we will in fact inevitably end up with a site that will just be smaller. Remember Dale Farm in Essex.

And on one last point we are in times of austerity and the councillors for Ringland have said that the land could be worth as much as £5 million so why are we giving it away, it was supposed to be used to help pay for Llanwern school, so where is the money coming from now?
This really does amaze me, Councillor Bright the local councillor for Ringland who lives in Newport City centre gets the Labour councillors to vote for the £90m City Centre Development and they have to tow the party line because that is what he wanted and where he lives. When it comes to the ward he represents but does not live in, he lets a free vote take place and the people who voted for him in Ringland and his near 50k a year allowance get this appalling decision. I am not anti traveller as there does need to be a site,but surely a site that is on the outskirts of the city that does not affect any housing estate or new development. As for councillor Richards was he not the one who said Bob Bright is the best council leader we ever had? I would too if I was him as he has a nice cushy cabinet job giving him an allowance of nearly £30 k a year. Councillors, Bright, Corten and Linton you have failed us and the last minute amendment that was thrown in was just a token gesture to say, we tried. Linton tried the same smoke screen a few months ago and had no support, as he knew it was just an exercise in saying I tried but the big boys and girls of the Labour machine over ruled me. The best part of this will be when the next election comes around and the people of Ringland will again vote for the same people who treat the electorate in this way. We will get the spiel now that it has to go in front of the WA for approval and Ringland may get a reprieve, but if Councillor Corten can base an argument on the fact that the site is simply too big and not on the principle that the people of Ringland simply do not want it we will in fact inevitably end up with a site that will just be smaller. Remember Dale Farm in Essex. And on one last point we are in times of austerity and the councillors for Ringland have said that the land could be worth as much as £5 million so why are we giving it away, it was supposed to be used to help pay for Llanwern school, so where is the money coming from now? Votefornoneoftheabove

11:56am Fri 20 Dec 13

Woodgnome says...

Amazing blatant hypocrisy. Bright firmly watching his back or what? Has he forgotten he has a solid Labour majority. Yes he was in between a rock and a hard place but lets have some basic statesmanship,
Amazing blatant hypocrisy. Bright firmly watching his back or what? Has he forgotten he has a solid Labour majority. Yes he was in between a rock and a hard place but lets have some basic statesmanship, Woodgnome

1:34pm Fri 20 Dec 13

Dai Rear says...

"The city council is obliged by the Housing Act 2004 to build the sites".
Blair legacy.
I hope that those who voted Labour are pleased with themselves
And those who say that the Alliance could repeal it are overlooking the noxious effect of Clegg and his commies.
"The city council is obliged by the Housing Act 2004 to build the sites". Blair legacy. I hope that those who voted Labour are pleased with themselves And those who say that the Alliance could repeal it are overlooking the noxious effect of Clegg and his commies. Dai Rear

2:42pm Fri 20 Dec 13

fatblokeroundhead says...

Yet another case for banning Party Politics. Until this happens vote for ''None Of The Above''. Unless they are an independent candidate of course? Then we can have true democracy; one member, one vote.
Yet another case for banning Party Politics. Until this happens vote for ''None Of The Above''. Unless they are an independent candidate of course? Then we can have true democracy; one member, one vote. fatblokeroundhead

2:52pm Fri 20 Dec 13

Valleymonkey says...

Just what Newport needs - another kick between the legs. Why didn't these sites go to precious Cardiff? The Council are about to create a major social problem and Newport has more than its fair share.
Just what Newport needs - another kick between the legs. Why didn't these sites go to precious Cardiff? The Council are about to create a major social problem and Newport has more than its fair share. Valleymonkey

3:49pm Fri 20 Dec 13

Quarto says...

Typical, anywhere but my area seems to be how this council voted.
Now just wait for the problems, right next to a large school and just across the road from a big housing estate.

Why not on the green up Ridgeway, no school nearby and a nice view for them to enjoy.
Typical, anywhere but my area seems to be how this council voted. Now just wait for the problems, right next to a large school and just across the road from a big housing estate. Why not on the green up Ridgeway, no school nearby and a nice view for them to enjoy. Quarto

4:56pm Fri 20 Dec 13

lowandhardandinthecorner says...

The simple fact is that no-one on this planet wants these people nearby ( with the possible exception of other gypsys ).

Unless as a group they contribute via taxation, I fail to see why society should accommodate these people and the public needs candidates to vote for who would repeal any legislation which says we must do so.

By failing to contribute or of joining in normal society and by failing to respect other peoples property, they disqualify themselves for consideration for housing and I see no reason why we should bear the costs and inconvenience of these sites.

They should either return to their original homes in Ireland or if they consider themselves of this country, then they should abide by it's laws and live in a civilised fashion and should they wish for a caravan holiday then they should pay for it on a proper site just like the rest of us..
The simple fact is that no-one on this planet wants these people nearby ( with the possible exception of other gypsys ). Unless as a group they contribute via taxation, I fail to see why society should accommodate these people and the public needs candidates to vote for who would repeal any legislation which says we must do so. By failing to contribute or of joining in normal society and by failing to respect other peoples property, they disqualify themselves for consideration for housing and I see no reason why we should bear the costs and inconvenience of these sites. They should either return to their original homes in Ireland or if they consider themselves of this country, then they should abide by it's laws and live in a civilised fashion and should they wish for a caravan holiday then they should pay for it on a proper site just like the rest of us.. lowandhardandinthecorner

5:02pm Fri 20 Dec 13

Welshchief says...

So Bob not so Bright and his bunch of loons, has screwed the people of Newport yet again! Are we at all surprised? NO, Not at all. First it was the Chartist Mural, now it is the gypsy camps.

I have a few Questions for Bob and his cohorts:

1. Why do we have to have these sites so close to residential and retail estates and schools when other local authorities, seem to site them away from such? I.E. The two Cardiff sites Rover Way and Trowbridge. Many others authorities both in England and Wales have done likewise. Surely these sites could have been sited more on Brown field sites or in areas where there presence will not affect house prices, or be a blight on the neighbourhood. Surely having sites so close to the Southern Distribitor Road will lead to junk being dumped along the route of this main road and essential artery for the city?

2. Why does it look as if preparation work on one of the Ringland sites, has already begun? The site near the new Llanwern High School, has been having a clearance, road widening, sewage work, etc.

3. If the Ringland councillors are really against the sites, and have really been let down by other Labour councillors, will they now resign the Labour whip and fight for Ringland as Independents? Surely they cannot continue to support the Labour group who have sacrificed them and made such crass decisions over the years?

4. Will the new Llanwern High School, the replacement for Hartridge that was, now be forced to have a traveller unit attached to it for traveller children. And will this drag the school down in the league/results table as in other locations around the country.

5. Given Bob lives in the posh area behind the Civic, namely Allt-yr-yn, will he now move into the Ringland area to show his full support for the area that he represents? I challenge him to answer these questions for the electorate.
So Bob not so Bright and his bunch of loons, has screwed the people of Newport yet again! Are we at all surprised? NO, Not at all. First it was the Chartist Mural, now it is the gypsy camps. I have a few Questions for Bob and his cohorts: 1. Why do we have to have these sites so close to residential and retail estates and schools when other local authorities, seem to site them away from such? I.E. The two Cardiff sites Rover Way and Trowbridge. Many others authorities both in England and Wales have done likewise. Surely these sites could have been sited more on Brown field sites or in areas where there presence will not affect house prices, or be a blight on the neighbourhood. Surely having sites so close to the Southern Distribitor Road will lead to junk being dumped along the route of this main road and essential artery for the city? 2. Why does it look as if preparation work on one of the Ringland sites, has already begun? The site near the new Llanwern High School, has been having a clearance, road widening, sewage work, etc. 3. If the Ringland councillors are really against the sites, and have really been let down by other Labour councillors, will they now resign the Labour whip and fight for Ringland as Independents? Surely they cannot continue to support the Labour group who have sacrificed them and made such crass decisions over the years? 4. Will the new Llanwern High School, the replacement for Hartridge that was, now be forced to have a traveller unit attached to it for traveller children. And will this drag the school down in the league/results table as in other locations around the country. 5. Given Bob lives in the posh area behind the Civic, namely Allt-yr-yn, will he now move into the Ringland area to show his full support for the area that he represents? I challenge him to answer these questions for the electorate. Welshchief

5:43pm Fri 20 Dec 13

Abertillery29 says...

What a wonderful way to de value housing stocks and drive away potential investors. Tata steel I should imagine are concerned about the effect on their site and possible thefts from it. I get theimpression that the Labour council is forlornly hoping that WAG will throw out their plans.
What a wonderful way to de value housing stocks and drive away potential investors. Tata steel I should imagine are concerned about the effect on their site and possible thefts from it. I get theimpression that the Labour council is forlornly hoping that WAG will throw out their plans. Abertillery29

6:40pm Fri 20 Dec 13

Banjalucka says...

Votefornoneabove is spot on in his assessment. Bobby Bright voting for the amendment was a set-up knowing full well it would get hrown out. And ---- you ain't seen nuttin yet! Wait til the Romanians and Bulgarians arrive en masse!
Votefornoneabove is spot on in his assessment. Bobby Bright voting for the amendment was a set-up knowing full well it would get hrown out. And ---- you ain't seen nuttin yet! Wait til the Romanians and Bulgarians arrive en masse! Banjalucka

6:40pm Fri 20 Dec 13

peckylecky says...

Look on the bright side ther will be loads of new jobs on the local business park, .......... security guards! I hate labour.
Look on the bright side ther will be loads of new jobs on the local business park, .......... security guards! I hate labour. peckylecky

6:55pm Fri 20 Dec 13

Lastpost says...

The Hartridge Farm Road site has been selected because it is known that any legal challenge against it by protest groups is unlikely to be successful.

All of those who will be affected by living near this site will have far fewer rights than those of a minority just because they come from a particular ethnic group.

It's amazing how a council can simply handover £5 million pounds worth of land that it owns when we are all suffering from the cutbacks that it is forcing on the majority.
The Hartridge Farm Road site has been selected because it is known that any legal challenge against it by protest groups is unlikely to be successful. All of those who will be affected by living near this site will have far fewer rights than those of a minority just because they come from a particular ethnic group. It's amazing how a council can simply handover £5 million pounds worth of land that it owns when we are all suffering from the cutbacks that it is forcing on the majority. Lastpost

7:09pm Fri 20 Dec 13

Megawhat says...

As soon as caravan park is open, lets all park our caravans there (Do they accept tents???) or buy a cheap one to put there.

Stop paying our council tax cause we're living in freebie heaven.

Sorted ;-)
As soon as caravan park is open, lets all park our caravans there (Do they accept tents???) or buy a cheap one to put there. Stop paying our council tax cause we're living in freebie heaven. Sorted ;-) Megawhat

7:15pm Fri 20 Dec 13

welshmen says...

Don't have any, tree lopping, hedge cutting, tarmac drive ways, walls, roofs, patio's, landscaping, stone drive ways, or scrap iron, given to these travellers, JUST SAY NO....
Don't have any, tree lopping, hedge cutting, tarmac drive ways, walls, roofs, patio's, landscaping, stone drive ways, or scrap iron, given to these travellers, JUST SAY NO.... welshmen

8:24pm Fri 20 Dec 13

Magor says...

Newport wrecked by New Labour,just look how it has gone downhill since 1997.
Newport wrecked by New Labour,just look how it has gone downhill since 1997. Magor

8:27pm Fri 20 Dec 13

merlin the silure says...

right-all these "travellers" drive big chelsea tractors,pay no income tax,and all have their back pockets stuffed full of readies-the old bill wont take them on,the council just pander to their needs-they play the discrimination card at any attempt to rein them in-WHATS HAPPENED TO OUR RIGHTS?
right-all these "travellers" drive big chelsea tractors,pay no income tax,and all have their back pockets stuffed full of readies-the old bill wont take them on,the council just pander to their needs-they play the discrimination card at any attempt to rein them in-WHATS HAPPENED TO OUR RIGHTS? merlin the silure

8:34pm Fri 20 Dec 13

merlin the silure says...

oh-as has been mentioned above-very ironic that dear leader Dim has managed,once again,to not have the "travellers" living next door to him in his west side residence-surely part of the new development at what was the college at All-ty ryn could have taken many "traveller" caravans?
Pure hypocrisy from Dim yet again
oh-as has been mentioned above-very ironic that dear leader Dim has managed,once again,to not have the "travellers" living next door to him in his west side residence-surely part of the new development at what was the college at All-ty ryn could have taken many "traveller" caravans? Pure hypocrisy from Dim yet again merlin the silure

8:48pm Fri 20 Dec 13

Jonnytrouble says...

It is strange... I thought Gypsies or travellers are people that are always on on the move but yet they are now being encouraged to stay and live at special sites provided by the Council without thinking if WE the Council Taxpayer wants this ?
When you insure a vehicle, your asked for your place of residence which is usually the same as registered keeper, notice the Gypsy ones with UK plates, where are they registered at what address ?
This must be the Final nail in the coffin for some Newport councillor's that voted for this loony plan, again as others have said on here as long as it is not on THERE doorstep they think that the people where the site's will go won't mind one bit ( maybe they look at Council estates nr ? )
Just hope when it comes to voting day that these people won't forget and vote against the councillors who ' stabbed them in the back ' once again..
It is strange... I thought Gypsies or travellers are people that are always on on the move but yet they are now being encouraged to stay and live at special sites provided by the Council without thinking if WE the Council Taxpayer wants this ? When you insure a vehicle, your asked for your place of residence which is usually the same as registered keeper, notice the Gypsy ones with UK plates, where are they registered at what address ? This must be the Final nail in the coffin for some Newport councillor's that voted for this loony plan, again as others have said on here as long as it is not on THERE doorstep they think that the people where the site's will go won't mind one bit ( maybe they look at Council estates nr ? ) Just hope when it comes to voting day that these people won't forget and vote against the councillors who ' stabbed them in the back ' once again.. Jonnytrouble

9:06pm Fri 20 Dec 13

One Big Con says...

Newport has the worst reputation of any town or city in Britain yet their Councillors have just voted for 2 gypsy site on the main artery into the 'city'! Surprisingly all the Councillors who voted for the sites do not live in the constituency! Yet another nail in the coffin of the place!
Newport has the worst reputation of any town or city in Britain yet their Councillors have just voted for 2 gypsy site on the main artery into the 'city'! Surprisingly all the Councillors who voted for the sites do not live in the constituency! Yet another nail in the coffin of the place! One Big Con

1:06am Sat 21 Dec 13

Votefornoneoftheabove says...

fatblokeroundhead wrote:
Yet another case for banning Party Politics. Until this happens vote for ''None Of The Above''. Unless they are an independent candidate of course? Then we can have true democracy; one member, one vote.
Mr Fat Bloke, Mr or Mrs Banjalucka and Mr or Mrs Welshchief,

Thanks for the comments, I am of the opinion now that Newport will only move forward if party politics are removed.

I am not anti Labour, Liberal or Conservative. What I am is pro Newport!

This city or town will only move forward if people are elected to do what is best for the city instead of a party.

Surely we would all think more of people if all councillors were allowed to vote with an open mind and a conscience instead of what the party leader wanted?

Newport has been lauded for it's chartist past and quite rightly, Newport needs to now lead from the front once again and say " No more party politics" perhaps another march is needed only this time on the civic centre to change hearts, minds and political ideology that a party knows best.

I live in one of the most deprived council estates not just in Newport but in Wales it is called Ringland I am proud of the fact that my parents instilled in me right and wrong and also good and bad. I am trying to get the message out there that after all these years of politics the times are just cyclical and always come in waves of ups and downs recession and bust and back again because politics play with peoples lives.

I don't have the answers, I am not the saviour , I am sure that Vox Dei does and is, I do not have the money to form a party of protest, I do not want a party or be a leader I want people to step up to the plate in 2017 and get three names to sponsor them to run in the next council elections as an independent under the banner of Vote For None Of The Above.

The only criteria would be that:

1) They lived in the ward they represent.

2) 50% of their councillor allowance went to the ward they represented for good causes to the area to help make a difference.

3) They are allowed a free vote and not told what to do.

4) They look at themselves and ask " Have I made a difference"

Perhaps I live in the past being a child born in the 60's but "the times they are a changing"
[quote][p][bold]fatblokeroundhead[/bold] wrote: Yet another case for banning Party Politics. Until this happens vote for ''None Of The Above''. Unless they are an independent candidate of course? Then we can have true democracy; one member, one vote.[/p][/quote]Mr Fat Bloke, Mr or Mrs Banjalucka and Mr or Mrs Welshchief, Thanks for the comments, I am of the opinion now that Newport will only move forward if party politics are removed. I am not anti Labour, Liberal or Conservative. What I am is pro Newport! This city or town will only move forward if people are elected to do what is best for the city instead of a party. Surely we would all think more of people if all councillors were allowed to vote with an open mind and a conscience instead of what the party leader wanted? Newport has been lauded for it's chartist past and quite rightly, Newport needs to now lead from the front once again and say " No more party politics" perhaps another march is needed only this time on the civic centre to change hearts, minds and political ideology that a party knows best. I live in one of the most deprived council estates not just in Newport but in Wales it is called Ringland I am proud of the fact that my parents instilled in me right and wrong and also good and bad. I am trying to get the message out there that after all these years of politics the times are just cyclical and always come in waves of ups and downs recession and bust and back again because politics play with peoples lives. I don't have the answers, I am not the saviour , I am sure that Vox Dei does and is, I do not have the money to form a party of protest, I do not want a party or be a leader I want people to step up to the plate in 2017 and get three names to sponsor them to run in the next council elections as an independent under the banner of Vote For None Of The Above. The only criteria would be that: 1) They lived in the ward they represent. 2) 50% of their councillor allowance went to the ward they represented for good causes to the area to help make a difference. 3) They are allowed a free vote and not told what to do. 4) They look at themselves and ask " Have I made a difference" Perhaps I live in the past being a child born in the 60's but "the times they are a changing" Votefornoneoftheabove

2:02am Sat 21 Dec 13

Welshchief says...

Banjalucka wrote:
Votefornoneabove is spot on in his assessment. Bobby Bright voting for the amendment was a set-up knowing full well it would get hrown out. And ---- you ain't seen nuttin yet! Wait til the Romanians and Bulgarians arrive en masse!
I agree this is a farce, and some of our councillors on both sides of the isle are constant professionals at lying, arranging it so that they look at saving face whilst getting what they want anyway. I also believe that there are councillors who are truly afraid to stick their heads above the parapet for fear of being abused by either political group, especially the Labour Group, with removal of the whip, being removed from certain committees, loosing support and or friends and influence, or membership of the party, the labour club, etc.
I would say that this is one of the reasons there were so many abstentions - lacking the courage to stand and be counted.
[quote][p][bold]Banjalucka[/bold] wrote: Votefornoneabove is spot on in his assessment. Bobby Bright voting for the amendment was a set-up knowing full well it would get hrown out. And ---- you ain't seen nuttin yet! Wait til the Romanians and Bulgarians arrive en masse![/p][/quote]I agree this is a farce, and some of our councillors on both sides of the isle are constant professionals at lying, arranging it so that they look at saving face whilst getting what they want anyway. I also believe that there are councillors who are truly afraid to stick their heads above the parapet for fear of being abused by either political group, especially the Labour Group, with removal of the whip, being removed from certain committees, loosing support and or friends and influence, or membership of the party, the labour club, etc. I would say that this is one of the reasons there were so many abstentions - lacking the courage to stand and be counted. Welshchief

2:11am Sat 21 Dec 13

broadjustice says...

Make your comments known to Bob Brightspark... One of his homes is at the top of Allt-yr-yn road. So you know the site wont make it to brickyard lane, As far away as possible. Over on 'that' side of Newport, out of his way... A man so far up his own backside its back on his shoulders!
Well as the site is being built, I wonder how many people 'SUBTLE HINT' will start kicking down the walls, and draining the plants diesel, giving the contractors the idea that they don't want them there...
Make your comments known to Bob Brightspark... One of his homes is at the top of Allt-yr-yn road. So you know the site wont make it to brickyard lane, As far away as possible. Over on 'that' side of Newport, out of his way... A man so far up his own backside its back on his shoulders! Well as the site is being built, I wonder how many people 'SUBTLE HINT' will start kicking down the walls, and draining the plants diesel, giving the contractors the idea that they don't want them there... broadjustice

2:17am Sat 21 Dec 13

Welshchief says...

_Bryan_ wrote:
Buried amongst the furor over the Gypsy sites is this little nugget:

"In the plan the council said it expects about 10,350 new homes and 7,400 new jobs to be brought to the city by 2026"

Even the most simple of maths would show a flaw in those figures. If only one person in each household is of working age the council are working on the basis of a 25% unemployment rate. With many households now containing two working-age people, the actual planned unemployment rate is closer to 50%.
Exactly, and just how many of these houses will be Housing Association, or affordable housing instead of private homes, given the obvious lack of one / two bedroom properties in the city, causing an inability of people to be able to move from larger social housing properties hit by the bedroom tax.

Surely they should be in a higher percentage, thus enabling social mobility, and people to be able to move out of debt and poverty, whilst also freeing up properties across the city for those who wish to live here, who are currently on the housing list, renting privately at too high a rent, or unable to live here because they are priced out of the market.

One other question comes to mind; Exactly why is there a shortage of one/two bedroom houses in the City? Newport, used to have a large number of them on its estates at one point. I certainly remember 6 blocks in flats and 4 or 5 blocks of maisonettes fulfilling this provision need in Ringland alone - isn't that your ward Bob? Surely that move was shortsighted?
[quote][p][bold]_Bryan_[/bold] wrote: Buried amongst the furor over the Gypsy sites is this little nugget: "In the plan the council said it expects about 10,350 new homes and 7,400 new jobs to be brought to the city by 2026" Even the most simple of maths would show a flaw in those figures. If only one person in each household is of working age the council are working on the basis of a 25% unemployment rate. With many households now containing two working-age people, the actual planned unemployment rate is closer to 50%.[/p][/quote]Exactly, and just how many of these houses will be Housing Association, or affordable housing instead of private homes, given the obvious lack of one / two bedroom properties in the city, causing an inability of people to be able to move from larger social housing properties hit by the bedroom tax. Surely they should be in a higher percentage, thus enabling social mobility, and people to be able to move out of debt and poverty, whilst also freeing up properties across the city for those who wish to live here, who are currently on the housing list, renting privately at too high a rent, or unable to live here because they are priced out of the market. One other question comes to mind; Exactly why is there a shortage of one/two bedroom houses in the City? Newport, used to have a large number of them on its estates at one point. I certainly remember 6 blocks in flats and 4 or 5 blocks of maisonettes fulfilling this provision need in Ringland alone - isn't that your ward Bob? Surely that move was shortsighted? Welshchief

2:28am Sat 21 Dec 13

Welshchief says...

blackandamber wrote:
Just keep on voting for the Labour party locally and nationally and see how much worse it can get.
Tit for tat politics of this kind has never been effective. It is like a game of table tennis, one side does this, another does that, and worse still when just for political gain they repeal one policy for there own or what is politically necessary at the time; even if it does mean going back on previous policy, promises and manifesto.

Grow a pair councillors and work together for the good of the city and those you are apparently supposed to serve, rather than watching your own backs, and I will say this carefully, personally benefiting in some way, whether that be in regards to position, office, party or OTHERWISE!!!!!

It is possible, all parties worked together during and for a short period after the war. It is done in other countries and cities, when a city, region or country is in crisis. Sadly in my opinion, Newport has been in this crisis for many, many years, and tit for tat politics has given us nothing.
[quote][p][bold]blackandamber[/bold] wrote: Just keep on voting for the Labour party locally and nationally and see how much worse it can get.[/p][/quote]Tit for tat politics of this kind has never been effective. It is like a game of table tennis, one side does this, another does that, and worse still when just for political gain they repeal one policy for there own or what is politically necessary at the time; even if it does mean going back on previous policy, promises and manifesto. Grow a pair councillors and work together for the good of the city and those you are apparently supposed to serve, rather than watching your own backs, and I will say this carefully, personally benefiting in some way, whether that be in regards to position, office, party or OTHERWISE!!!!! It is possible, all parties worked together during and for a short period after the war. It is done in other countries and cities, when a city, region or country is in crisis. Sadly in my opinion, Newport has been in this crisis for many, many years, and tit for tat politics has given us nothing. Welshchief

2:47am Sat 21 Dec 13

Welshchief says...

Dai Rear wrote:
"The city council is obliged by the Housing Act 2004 to build the sites".
Blair legacy.
I hope that those who voted Labour are pleased with themselves
And those who say that the Alliance could repeal it are overlooking the noxious effect of Clegg and his commies.
Yes they are required to do so, but not in areas where there are friction points, like near schools, retail parks, residential areas, main artery roads where there will be constant trouble, and problems, and dare I say it, cost, not only to the authority, police and local services, but also to the electorate - Dale Farm, Essex, being an example of where many, many millions were lost over the years in court costs, compensation, etc when councils get it wrong.

Remember Dale Farm started off as a legitimate site for a small number of travellers, which travellers then abused by packing it illegally with friends and other non legitimate travellers causing it to grow substantially to almost 5 times it's size original size if not bigger, thus becoming a continual drain on resources, budget and reserves before it was legally decided to take total action, this whole saga taking at least some 20+ years. The total cost of court cases, police, council, school, highways, social services, fire, solicitors and lawyers costs, bailiffs fees, relocation and compensation costs, eventually headed into the high millions.


They can be sited in countryside, towards Goldcliff, Witson, East Usk, etc.
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: "The city council is obliged by the Housing Act 2004 to build the sites". Blair legacy. I hope that those who voted Labour are pleased with themselves And those who say that the Alliance could repeal it are overlooking the noxious effect of Clegg and his commies.[/p][/quote]Yes they are required to do so, but not in areas where there are friction points, like near schools, retail parks, residential areas, main artery roads where there will be constant trouble, and problems, and dare I say it, cost, not only to the authority, police and local services, but also to the electorate - Dale Farm, Essex, being an example of where many, many millions were lost over the years in court costs, compensation, etc when councils get it wrong. Remember Dale Farm started off as a legitimate site for a small number of travellers, which travellers then abused by packing it illegally with friends and other non legitimate travellers causing it to grow substantially to almost 5 times it's size original size if not bigger, thus becoming a continual drain on resources, budget and reserves before it was legally decided to take total action, this whole saga taking at least some 20+ years. The total cost of court cases, police, council, school, highways, social services, fire, solicitors and lawyers costs, bailiffs fees, relocation and compensation costs, eventually headed into the high millions. They can be sited in countryside, towards Goldcliff, Witson, East Usk, etc. Welshchief

2:54am Sat 21 Dec 13

Welshchief says...

Jonnytrouble wrote:
It is strange... I thought Gypsies or travellers are people that are always on on the move but yet they are now being encouraged to stay and live at special sites provided by the Council without thinking if WE the Council Taxpayer wants this ?
When you insure a vehicle, your asked for your place of residence which is usually the same as registered keeper, notice the Gypsy ones with UK plates, where are they registered at what address ?
This must be the Final nail in the coffin for some Newport councillor's that voted for this loony plan, again as others have said on here as long as it is not on THERE doorstep they think that the people where the site's will go won't mind one bit ( maybe they look at Council estates nr ? )
Just hope when it comes to voting day that these people won't forget and vote against the councillors who ' stabbed them in the back ' once again..
Housing and car insurance costs are already high because it is Newport, where we are considered a higher risk area, watch them rise even further once the insurance industry catch on.
[quote][p][bold]Jonnytrouble[/bold] wrote: It is strange... I thought Gypsies or travellers are people that are always on on the move but yet they are now being encouraged to stay and live at special sites provided by the Council without thinking if WE the Council Taxpayer wants this ? When you insure a vehicle, your asked for your place of residence which is usually the same as registered keeper, notice the Gypsy ones with UK plates, where are they registered at what address ? This must be the Final nail in the coffin for some Newport councillor's that voted for this loony plan, again as others have said on here as long as it is not on THERE doorstep they think that the people where the site's will go won't mind one bit ( maybe they look at Council estates nr ? ) Just hope when it comes to voting day that these people won't forget and vote against the councillors who ' stabbed them in the back ' once again..[/p][/quote]Housing and car insurance costs are already high because it is Newport, where we are considered a higher risk area, watch them rise even further once the insurance industry catch on. Welshchief

4:39am Sat 21 Dec 13

Banjalucka says...

Votefornoneoftheabov
e - Great ideas but i am afrraid, only dreamland at the moment. Too many career cllrs,a dn too many with big egos. The whole lot needs shaking up. Payment has made it worse. Like it or not most of the Newport Wards are guaranteed to return Labour not matter how badly the party has damaged their area. same applies to about three Con wards. Why do you think some cllrs live in other areas? Safe seats!
Votefornoneoftheabov e - Great ideas but i am afrraid, only dreamland at the moment. Too many career cllrs,a dn too many with big egos. The whole lot needs shaking up. Payment has made it worse. Like it or not most of the Newport Wards are guaranteed to return Labour not matter how badly the party has damaged their area. same applies to about three Con wards. Why do you think some cllrs live in other areas? Safe seats! Banjalucka

5:37am Sat 21 Dec 13

pjwivell says...

This is also a smack in the face of the people who live on the Duffryn Estates (both the private and the City Homes estate). The council had to pay £15,000 to clean up after travellers (Irish diddycoys or tinkers) left a huge load of waste in the Celtic Way site, and now this **** of a Council want to put these load of thoughtless, couldn't care less, freeloaders back on the same place. The Council were warned by businesses in the Celtic Springs area that they did not want this area to be used as a site as it could mean firms closing and moving out of Newport, and in fact one company the was due to come into the Celtic Springs informed the City Council that if the Celtic site went ahead they would not come to Newport. So there goes more jobs, and now it's anybody's guess now how many jobs will go when businesses pull out because this Backward Council thinks more of Travellers Sites than they do of what the people who voted them in want, and they have even ignored what the business firms have warned this **** of a Council would happen.
This is also a smack in the face of the people who live on the Duffryn Estates (both the private and the City Homes estate). The council had to pay £15,000 to clean up after travellers (Irish diddycoys or tinkers) left a huge load of waste in the Celtic Way site, and now this **** of a Council want to put these load of thoughtless, couldn't care less, freeloaders back on the same place. The Council were warned by businesses in the Celtic Springs area that they did not want this area to be used as a site as it could mean firms closing and moving out of Newport, and in fact one company the was due to come into the Celtic Springs informed the City Council that if the Celtic site went ahead they would not come to Newport. So there goes more jobs, and now it's anybody's guess now how many jobs will go when businesses pull out because this Backward Council thinks more of Travellers Sites than they do of what the people who voted them in want, and they have even ignored what the business firms have warned this **** of a Council would happen. pjwivell

8:21am Sat 21 Dec 13

Dai Rear says...

pjwivell wrote:
This is also a smack in the face of the people who live on the Duffryn Estates (both the private and the City Homes estate). The council had to pay £15,000 to clean up after travellers (Irish diddycoys or tinkers) left a huge load of waste in the Celtic Way site, and now this **** of a Council want to put these load of thoughtless, couldn't care less, freeloaders back on the same place. The Council were warned by businesses in the Celtic Springs area that they did not want this area to be used as a site as it could mean firms closing and moving out of Newport, and in fact one company the was due to come into the Celtic Springs informed the City Council that if the Celtic site went ahead they would not come to Newport. So there goes more jobs, and now it's anybody's guess now how many jobs will go when businesses pull out because this Backward Council thinks more of Travellers Sites than they do of what the people who voted them in want, and they have even ignored what the business firms have warned this **** of a Council would happen.
The problem will be that whilst we should be out of the EU by 2017 we'll still have these people here because of the 1922 Treaty which partitioned Ulster and what is now the Republic of Ireland.That allowed citizens of the Irish Republic special privileged access to our country. So don't forget, the referendum needs to be to leaving the EU AND rescinding the 1922 Treaty. The cost of imprisoning the several thousand citizens of the Republic of Ireland in our prisons alone is many tens of millions.
[quote][p][bold]pjwivell[/bold] wrote: This is also a smack in the face of the people who live on the Duffryn Estates (both the private and the City Homes estate). The council had to pay £15,000 to clean up after travellers (Irish diddycoys or tinkers) left a huge load of waste in the Celtic Way site, and now this **** of a Council want to put these load of thoughtless, couldn't care less, freeloaders back on the same place. The Council were warned by businesses in the Celtic Springs area that they did not want this area to be used as a site as it could mean firms closing and moving out of Newport, and in fact one company the was due to come into the Celtic Springs informed the City Council that if the Celtic site went ahead they would not come to Newport. So there goes more jobs, and now it's anybody's guess now how many jobs will go when businesses pull out because this Backward Council thinks more of Travellers Sites than they do of what the people who voted them in want, and they have even ignored what the business firms have warned this **** of a Council would happen.[/p][/quote]The problem will be that whilst we should be out of the EU by 2017 we'll still have these people here because of the 1922 Treaty which partitioned Ulster and what is now the Republic of Ireland.That allowed citizens of the Irish Republic special privileged access to our country. So don't forget, the referendum needs to be to leaving the EU AND rescinding the 1922 Treaty. The cost of imprisoning the several thousand citizens of the Republic of Ireland in our prisons alone is many tens of millions. Dai Rear

8:47am Sat 21 Dec 13

Banjalucka says...

Just to point out that the Council by law must make provision for gypsies. So it/they have to go somewhere. Don't agree with it but that's it.
Just to point out that the Council by law must make provision for gypsies. So it/they have to go somewhere. Don't agree with it but that's it. Banjalucka

9:06am Sat 21 Dec 13

Robodad says...

lowandhardandintheco
rner
wrote:
The simple fact is that no-one on this planet wants these people nearby ( with the possible exception of other gypsys ).

Unless as a group they contribute via taxation, I fail to see why society should accommodate these people and the public needs candidates to vote for who would repeal any legislation which says we must do so.

By failing to contribute or of joining in normal society and by failing to respect other peoples property, they disqualify themselves for consideration for housing and I see no reason why we should bear the costs and inconvenience of these sites.

They should either return to their original homes in Ireland or if they consider themselves of this country, then they should abide by it's laws and live in a civilised fashion and should they wish for a caravan holiday then they should pay for it on a proper site just like the rest of us..
Why dont you stand as a candidate on your belief that the legislation needs repealing? I would vote for you but I think you may be surprised how little other support you get. I am being serious, put yourself forward.
[quote][p][bold]lowandhardandintheco rner[/bold] wrote: The simple fact is that no-one on this planet wants these people nearby ( with the possible exception of other gypsys ). Unless as a group they contribute via taxation, I fail to see why society should accommodate these people and the public needs candidates to vote for who would repeal any legislation which says we must do so. By failing to contribute or of joining in normal society and by failing to respect other peoples property, they disqualify themselves for consideration for housing and I see no reason why we should bear the costs and inconvenience of these sites. They should either return to their original homes in Ireland or if they consider themselves of this country, then they should abide by it's laws and live in a civilised fashion and should they wish for a caravan holiday then they should pay for it on a proper site just like the rest of us..[/p][/quote]Why dont you stand as a candidate on your belief that the legislation needs repealing? I would vote for you but I think you may be surprised how little other support you get. I am being serious, put yourself forward. Robodad

10:16am Sat 21 Dec 13

casto says...

I think its great putting gypsies at ringland and duffryn.let them see what its like living near scroungers and thieves.the gypsies will soon leave haha
I think its great putting gypsies at ringland and duffryn.let them see what its like living near scroungers and thieves.the gypsies will soon leave haha casto

10:34am Sat 21 Dec 13

Magor says...

If these sites end up like the one in Avonmouth then there is nothing to worry about as it is always empty because they have to pay to use it.
If these sites end up like the one in Avonmouth then there is nothing to worry about as it is always empty because they have to pay to use it. Magor

10:45am Sat 21 Dec 13

Woodgnome says...

Welshchief wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
"The city council is obliged by the Housing Act 2004 to build the sites".
Blair legacy.
I hope that those who voted Labour are pleased with themselves
And those who say that the Alliance could repeal it are overlooking the noxious effect of Clegg and his commies.
Yes they are required to do so, but not in areas where there are friction points, like near schools, retail parks, residential areas, main artery roads where there will be constant trouble, and problems, and dare I say it, cost, not only to the authority, police and local services, but also to the electorate - Dale Farm, Essex, being an example of where many, many millions were lost over the years in court costs, compensation, etc when councils get it wrong.

Remember Dale Farm started off as a legitimate site for a small number of travellers, which travellers then abused by packing it illegally with friends and other non legitimate travellers causing it to grow substantially to almost 5 times it's size original size if not bigger, thus becoming a continual drain on resources, budget and reserves before it was legally decided to take total action, this whole saga taking at least some 20+ years. The total cost of court cases, police, council, school, highways, social services, fire, solicitors and lawyers costs, bailiffs fees, relocation and compensation costs, eventually headed into the high millions.


They can be sited in countryside, towards Goldcliff, Witson, East Usk, etc.
We all have to comply with laws and regulations and so must they. It must be an absolute term of residence that they comply with site conditions, are not a nuisance to neighbours, don't turn it into a rubbish tip or scrapyard, don't fill local fields with fly grazing horses and there can be no question of a "no go" area for the police and site managers.
[quote][p][bold]Welshchief[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: "The city council is obliged by the Housing Act 2004 to build the sites". Blair legacy. I hope that those who voted Labour are pleased with themselves And those who say that the Alliance could repeal it are overlooking the noxious effect of Clegg and his commies.[/p][/quote]Yes they are required to do so, but not in areas where there are friction points, like near schools, retail parks, residential areas, main artery roads where there will be constant trouble, and problems, and dare I say it, cost, not only to the authority, police and local services, but also to the electorate - Dale Farm, Essex, being an example of where many, many millions were lost over the years in court costs, compensation, etc when councils get it wrong. Remember Dale Farm started off as a legitimate site for a small number of travellers, which travellers then abused by packing it illegally with friends and other non legitimate travellers causing it to grow substantially to almost 5 times it's size original size if not bigger, thus becoming a continual drain on resources, budget and reserves before it was legally decided to take total action, this whole saga taking at least some 20+ years. The total cost of court cases, police, council, school, highways, social services, fire, solicitors and lawyers costs, bailiffs fees, relocation and compensation costs, eventually headed into the high millions. They can be sited in countryside, towards Goldcliff, Witson, East Usk, etc.[/p][/quote]We all have to comply with laws and regulations and so must they. It must be an absolute term of residence that they comply with site conditions, are not a nuisance to neighbours, don't turn it into a rubbish tip or scrapyard, don't fill local fields with fly grazing horses and there can be no question of a "no go" area for the police and site managers. Woodgnome

11:26am Sat 21 Dec 13

Jonnytrouble says...

Latest update, I have just heard from an insider who was at a Council meeting that Bob Dim is NOW proposing to RE-name Newport and call it teithwyr y ddinas to get us back on the map with NATO coming......
Traveller City to us in English...
He thought of the idea thinking if it is in Welsh nobody would understand
I don't think it is going to happen now it's out !
Latest update, I have just heard from an insider who was at a Council meeting that Bob Dim is NOW proposing to RE-name Newport and call it teithwyr y ddinas to get us back on the map with NATO coming...... Traveller City to us in English... He thought of the idea thinking if it is in Welsh nobody would understand I don't think it is going to happen now it's out ! Jonnytrouble

11:43am Sat 21 Dec 13

Stevenboy says...

Woodgnome wrote:
Welshchief wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
"The city council is obliged by the Housing Act 2004 to build the sites".
Blair legacy.
I hope that those who voted Labour are pleased with themselves
And those who say that the Alliance could repeal it are overlooking the noxious effect of Clegg and his commies.
Yes they are required to do so, but not in areas where there are friction points, like near schools, retail parks, residential areas, main artery roads where there will be constant trouble, and problems, and dare I say it, cost, not only to the authority, police and local services, but also to the electorate - Dale Farm, Essex, being an example of where many, many millions were lost over the years in court costs, compensation, etc when councils get it wrong.

Remember Dale Farm started off as a legitimate site for a small number of travellers, which travellers then abused by packing it illegally with friends and other non legitimate travellers causing it to grow substantially to almost 5 times it's size original size if not bigger, thus becoming a continual drain on resources, budget and reserves before it was legally decided to take total action, this whole saga taking at least some 20+ years. The total cost of court cases, police, council, school, highways, social services, fire, solicitors and lawyers costs, bailiffs fees, relocation and compensation costs, eventually headed into the high millions.


They can be sited in countryside, towards Goldcliff, Witson, East Usk, etc.
We all have to comply with laws and regulations and so must they. It must be an absolute term of residence that they comply with site conditions, are not a nuisance to neighbours, don't turn it into a rubbish tip or scrapyard, don't fill local fields with fly grazing horses and there can be no question of a "no go" area for the police and site managers.
And returning to the real world for a moment….
[quote][p][bold]Woodgnome[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Welshchief[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: "The city council is obliged by the Housing Act 2004 to build the sites". Blair legacy. I hope that those who voted Labour are pleased with themselves And those who say that the Alliance could repeal it are overlooking the noxious effect of Clegg and his commies.[/p][/quote]Yes they are required to do so, but not in areas where there are friction points, like near schools, retail parks, residential areas, main artery roads where there will be constant trouble, and problems, and dare I say it, cost, not only to the authority, police and local services, but also to the electorate - Dale Farm, Essex, being an example of where many, many millions were lost over the years in court costs, compensation, etc when councils get it wrong. Remember Dale Farm started off as a legitimate site for a small number of travellers, which travellers then abused by packing it illegally with friends and other non legitimate travellers causing it to grow substantially to almost 5 times it's size original size if not bigger, thus becoming a continual drain on resources, budget and reserves before it was legally decided to take total action, this whole saga taking at least some 20+ years. The total cost of court cases, police, council, school, highways, social services, fire, solicitors and lawyers costs, bailiffs fees, relocation and compensation costs, eventually headed into the high millions. They can be sited in countryside, towards Goldcliff, Witson, East Usk, etc.[/p][/quote]We all have to comply with laws and regulations and so must they. It must be an absolute term of residence that they comply with site conditions, are not a nuisance to neighbours, don't turn it into a rubbish tip or scrapyard, don't fill local fields with fly grazing horses and there can be no question of a "no go" area for the police and site managers.[/p][/quote]And returning to the real world for a moment…. Stevenboy

12:19pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Woodgnome says...

Stevenboy wrote:
Woodgnome wrote:
Welshchief wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
"The city council is obliged by the Housing Act 2004 to build the sites".
Blair legacy.
I hope that those who voted Labour are pleased with themselves
And those who say that the Alliance could repeal it are overlooking the noxious effect of Clegg and his commies.
Yes they are required to do so, but not in areas where there are friction points, like near schools, retail parks, residential areas, main artery roads where there will be constant trouble, and problems, and dare I say it, cost, not only to the authority, police and local services, but also to the electorate - Dale Farm, Essex, being an example of where many, many millions were lost over the years in court costs, compensation, etc when councils get it wrong.

Remember Dale Farm started off as a legitimate site for a small number of travellers, which travellers then abused by packing it illegally with friends and other non legitimate travellers causing it to grow substantially to almost 5 times it's size original size if not bigger, thus becoming a continual drain on resources, budget and reserves before it was legally decided to take total action, this whole saga taking at least some 20+ years. The total cost of court cases, police, council, school, highways, social services, fire, solicitors and lawyers costs, bailiffs fees, relocation and compensation costs, eventually headed into the high millions.


They can be sited in countryside, towards Goldcliff, Witson, East Usk, etc.
We all have to comply with laws and regulations and so must they. It must be an absolute term of residence that they comply with site conditions, are not a nuisance to neighbours, don't turn it into a rubbish tip or scrapyard, don't fill local fields with fly grazing horses and there can be no question of a "no go" area for the police and site managers.
And returning to the real world for a moment….
A site was going to go somewhere so having grasped that concept, we're all just as concerned about this development as you are. You are being are overly cynical which wont get anyone anywhere. It's up to us , the public, to insist upon it. The Council have a duty to run an ordered site and the police have a duty to maintain law and order - it's not optional.
[quote][p][bold]Stevenboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Woodgnome[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Welshchief[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: "The city council is obliged by the Housing Act 2004 to build the sites". Blair legacy. I hope that those who voted Labour are pleased with themselves And those who say that the Alliance could repeal it are overlooking the noxious effect of Clegg and his commies.[/p][/quote]Yes they are required to do so, but not in areas where there are friction points, like near schools, retail parks, residential areas, main artery roads where there will be constant trouble, and problems, and dare I say it, cost, not only to the authority, police and local services, but also to the electorate - Dale Farm, Essex, being an example of where many, many millions were lost over the years in court costs, compensation, etc when councils get it wrong. Remember Dale Farm started off as a legitimate site for a small number of travellers, which travellers then abused by packing it illegally with friends and other non legitimate travellers causing it to grow substantially to almost 5 times it's size original size if not bigger, thus becoming a continual drain on resources, budget and reserves before it was legally decided to take total action, this whole saga taking at least some 20+ years. The total cost of court cases, police, council, school, highways, social services, fire, solicitors and lawyers costs, bailiffs fees, relocation and compensation costs, eventually headed into the high millions. They can be sited in countryside, towards Goldcliff, Witson, East Usk, etc.[/p][/quote]We all have to comply with laws and regulations and so must they. It must be an absolute term of residence that they comply with site conditions, are not a nuisance to neighbours, don't turn it into a rubbish tip or scrapyard, don't fill local fields with fly grazing horses and there can be no question of a "no go" area for the police and site managers.[/p][/quote]And returning to the real world for a moment….[/p][/quote]A site was going to go somewhere so having grasped that concept, we're all just as concerned about this development as you are. You are being are overly cynical which wont get anyone anywhere. It's up to us , the public, to insist upon it. The Council have a duty to run an ordered site and the police have a duty to maintain law and order - it's not optional. Woodgnome

1:10pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Stevenboy says...

Woodgnome wrote:
Stevenboy wrote:
Woodgnome wrote:
Welshchief wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
"The city council is obliged by the Housing Act 2004 to build the sites".
Blair legacy.
I hope that those who voted Labour are pleased with themselves
And those who say that the Alliance could repeal it are overlooking the noxious effect of Clegg and his commies.
Yes they are required to do so, but not in areas where there are friction points, like near schools, retail parks, residential areas, main artery roads where there will be constant trouble, and problems, and dare I say it, cost, not only to the authority, police and local services, but also to the electorate - Dale Farm, Essex, being an example of where many, many millions were lost over the years in court costs, compensation, etc when councils get it wrong.

Remember Dale Farm started off as a legitimate site for a small number of travellers, which travellers then abused by packing it illegally with friends and other non legitimate travellers causing it to grow substantially to almost 5 times it's size original size if not bigger, thus becoming a continual drain on resources, budget and reserves before it was legally decided to take total action, this whole saga taking at least some 20+ years. The total cost of court cases, police, council, school, highways, social services, fire, solicitors and lawyers costs, bailiffs fees, relocation and compensation costs, eventually headed into the high millions.


They can be sited in countryside, towards Goldcliff, Witson, East Usk, etc.
We all have to comply with laws and regulations and so must they. It must be an absolute term of residence that they comply with site conditions, are not a nuisance to neighbours, don't turn it into a rubbish tip or scrapyard, don't fill local fields with fly grazing horses and there can be no question of a "no go" area for the police and site managers.
And returning to the real world for a moment….
A site was going to go somewhere so having grasped that concept, we're all just as concerned about this development as you are. You are being are overly cynical which wont get anyone anywhere. It's up to us , the public, to insist upon it. The Council have a duty to run an ordered site and the police have a duty to maintain law and order - it's not optional.
It's never happened like that in Rover Way. I have a friend with a business near there. The police are hopeless at ensuring law and order there.
[quote][p][bold]Woodgnome[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stevenboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Woodgnome[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Welshchief[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: "The city council is obliged by the Housing Act 2004 to build the sites". Blair legacy. I hope that those who voted Labour are pleased with themselves And those who say that the Alliance could repeal it are overlooking the noxious effect of Clegg and his commies.[/p][/quote]Yes they are required to do so, but not in areas where there are friction points, like near schools, retail parks, residential areas, main artery roads where there will be constant trouble, and problems, and dare I say it, cost, not only to the authority, police and local services, but also to the electorate - Dale Farm, Essex, being an example of where many, many millions were lost over the years in court costs, compensation, etc when councils get it wrong. Remember Dale Farm started off as a legitimate site for a small number of travellers, which travellers then abused by packing it illegally with friends and other non legitimate travellers causing it to grow substantially to almost 5 times it's size original size if not bigger, thus becoming a continual drain on resources, budget and reserves before it was legally decided to take total action, this whole saga taking at least some 20+ years. The total cost of court cases, police, council, school, highways, social services, fire, solicitors and lawyers costs, bailiffs fees, relocation and compensation costs, eventually headed into the high millions. They can be sited in countryside, towards Goldcliff, Witson, East Usk, etc.[/p][/quote]We all have to comply with laws and regulations and so must they. It must be an absolute term of residence that they comply with site conditions, are not a nuisance to neighbours, don't turn it into a rubbish tip or scrapyard, don't fill local fields with fly grazing horses and there can be no question of a "no go" area for the police and site managers.[/p][/quote]And returning to the real world for a moment….[/p][/quote]A site was going to go somewhere so having grasped that concept, we're all just as concerned about this development as you are. You are being are overly cynical which wont get anyone anywhere. It's up to us , the public, to insist upon it. The Council have a duty to run an ordered site and the police have a duty to maintain law and order - it's not optional.[/p][/quote]It's never happened like that in Rover Way. I have a friend with a business near there. The police are hopeless at ensuring law and order there. Stevenboy

1:51pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Woodgnome says...

That's South Wales police, we're Gwent and times have moved on. This site is much nearer residences.
That's South Wales police, we're Gwent and times have moved on. This site is much nearer residences. Woodgnome

2:05pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Woodgnome says...

Love him or hate him we also have a Police Commissioner. If you are right Stevenboy, I suggest people start giving the Police Commissioner earache about keeping law and order on these sites on the same terms as the rest of society. It's up to him to set some police priorities for the people of Gwent and Newport and for the Chief Constable to sort out how to do it operationally.
Love him or hate him we also have a Police Commissioner. If you are right Stevenboy, I suggest people start giving the Police Commissioner earache about keeping law and order on these sites on the same terms as the rest of society. It's up to him to set some police priorities for the people of Gwent and Newport and for the Chief Constable to sort out how to do it operationally. Woodgnome

2:58pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Stevenboy says...

Woodgnome wrote:
Love him or hate him we also have a Police Commissioner. If you are right Stevenboy, I suggest people start giving the Police Commissioner earache about keeping law and order on these sites on the same terms as the rest of society. It's up to him to set some police priorities for the people of Gwent and Newport and for the Chief Constable to sort out how to do it operationally.
Hmm. The report into the Pakistani men convicted for child abuse in Rochdale summised that agencies, including police, were overly sensitive about the 'minority' context of the offenders, leading to no action being taken. I wish the local residents luck, I really do but as a society we pussyfoot around religious, foreign and other minority groups for fear of being labelled. The law abiding, tax paying majority are at an automatic disadvantage.
[quote][p][bold]Woodgnome[/bold] wrote: Love him or hate him we also have a Police Commissioner. If you are right Stevenboy, I suggest people start giving the Police Commissioner earache about keeping law and order on these sites on the same terms as the rest of society. It's up to him to set some police priorities for the people of Gwent and Newport and for the Chief Constable to sort out how to do it operationally.[/p][/quote]Hmm. The report into the Pakistani men convicted for child abuse in Rochdale summised that agencies, including police, were overly sensitive about the 'minority' context of the offenders, leading to no action being taken. I wish the local residents luck, I really do but as a society we pussyfoot around religious, foreign and other minority groups for fear of being labelled. The law abiding, tax paying majority are at an automatic disadvantage. Stevenboy

3:23pm Sat 21 Dec 13

welshmen says...

People power brought down the Berlin wall, all it takes is Courage to stand and fight for what we hold dear to us, this Council are not fit for purpose, yet, the PC brigade who allow anything anti-British to progress, but go against them and your called a racist when arguing about immigration, well the Gypsies are just like immigrants, they cost the taxpayer millions, they are of no use at all to Newport but we have NO choice unless people power dictates otherwise....
People power brought down the Berlin wall, all it takes is Courage to stand and fight for what we hold dear to us, this Council are not fit for purpose, yet, the PC brigade who allow anything anti-British to progress, but go against them and your called a racist when arguing about immigration, well the Gypsies are just like immigrants, they cost the taxpayer millions, they are of no use at all to Newport but we have NO choice unless people power dictates otherwise.... welshmen

7:52pm Sat 21 Dec 13

welshmen says...

Stevenboy wrote:
Woodgnome wrote:
Love him or hate him we also have a Police Commissioner. If you are right Stevenboy, I suggest people start giving the Police Commissioner earache about keeping law and order on these sites on the same terms as the rest of society. It's up to him to set some police priorities for the people of Gwent and Newport and for the Chief Constable to sort out how to do it operationally.
Hmm. The report into the Pakistani men convicted for child abuse in Rochdale summised that agencies, including police, were overly sensitive about the 'minority' context of the offenders, leading to no action being taken. I wish the local residents luck, I really do but as a society we pussyfoot around religious, foreign and other minority groups for fear of being labelled. The law abiding, tax paying majority are at an automatic disadvantage.
Rochdale Grooming gangs: off topic but posted.

Back in 2004 BBC Panorama sent undercover reporter Jason Gwynne to infiltrate the British National Party meeting before they were a Legal Political Party and video Nick Griffins talks, he videoed Nick Griffin saying that Pakistani men were grooming mostly very young white girls for sex, that recording was shown to the Rochdale Police who after looking at the Panorama video took Nick Griffin to Leeds Crown Court on two occasions for racial hatred and racism facing a long prison sentence, but was acquitted twice,

The Police and other agencies 17 in total let hundreds of young girls down, some as young as 11 years old, in 2006, Times reporter Julie Bindel told Nick Griffin after spending 18 months in Blackpool researching the disappearance 13 year old Charlene Downes, she was shocked to discover that local detectives were so terrified of being accused of "racism" that they were incapable of even considering that local Pakistani Muslims had been involved.

Willing to go to prison for telling the truth, how many MP's would do that I would guess none, these are supposed to look after us and the very young, but this still go's on,

White and Asian paedophiles are every where....
[quote][p][bold]Stevenboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Woodgnome[/bold] wrote: Love him or hate him we also have a Police Commissioner. If you are right Stevenboy, I suggest people start giving the Police Commissioner earache about keeping law and order on these sites on the same terms as the rest of society. It's up to him to set some police priorities for the people of Gwent and Newport and for the Chief Constable to sort out how to do it operationally.[/p][/quote]Hmm. The report into the Pakistani men convicted for child abuse in Rochdale summised that agencies, including police, were overly sensitive about the 'minority' context of the offenders, leading to no action being taken. I wish the local residents luck, I really do but as a society we pussyfoot around religious, foreign and other minority groups for fear of being labelled. The law abiding, tax paying majority are at an automatic disadvantage.[/p][/quote]Rochdale Grooming gangs: off topic but posted. Back in 2004 BBC Panorama sent undercover reporter Jason Gwynne to infiltrate the British National Party meeting before they were a Legal Political Party and video Nick Griffins talks, he videoed Nick Griffin saying that Pakistani men were grooming mostly very young white girls for sex, that recording was shown to the Rochdale Police who after looking at the Panorama video took Nick Griffin to Leeds Crown Court on two occasions for racial hatred and racism facing a long prison sentence, but was acquitted twice, The Police and other agencies 17 in total let hundreds of young girls down, some as young as 11 years old, in 2006, Times reporter Julie Bindel told Nick Griffin after spending 18 months in Blackpool researching the disappearance 13 year old Charlene Downes, she was shocked to discover that local detectives were so terrified of being accused of "racism" that they were incapable of even considering that local Pakistani Muslims had been involved. Willing to go to prison for telling the truth, how many MP's would do that I would guess none, these are supposed to look after us and the very young, but this still go's on, White and Asian paedophiles are every where.... welshmen

8:51pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Patti71Pram says...

welshmen wrote:
People power brought down the Berlin wall, all it takes is Courage to stand and fight for what we hold dear to us, this Council are not fit for purpose, yet, the PC brigade who allow anything anti-British to progress, but go against them and your called a racist when arguing about immigration, well the Gypsies are just like immigrants, they cost the taxpayer millions, they are of no use at all to Newport but we have NO choice unless people power dictates otherwise....
Discriminating against an ethnic group is racist. So yeah, if you are 'anti' a certain group of people because of the ethnicity you are a racist.
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: People power brought down the Berlin wall, all it takes is Courage to stand and fight for what we hold dear to us, this Council are not fit for purpose, yet, the PC brigade who allow anything anti-British to progress, but go against them and your called a racist when arguing about immigration, well the Gypsies are just like immigrants, they cost the taxpayer millions, they are of no use at all to Newport but we have NO choice unless people power dictates otherwise....[/p][/quote]Discriminating against an ethnic group is racist. So yeah, if you are 'anti' a certain group of people because of the ethnicity you are a racist. Patti71Pram

9:20pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Patti71Pram says...

I am sick and tired of all the racism on this site. Eesh. Irish travellers and Gypsies are regarded as ethnic groups. Just because somebody has a different lifestyle to you and a different culture does not make them a 'less worthy' than you. Stop finding reasons to hate, stop letting it consume you and turning you into hate machines, robotic and brainwashed.

I am looking forward to meeting our new travelling neighbours and will bring them cake and greet them with a grin. I will not discriminate against them because they are different than me. Everybody is unique, everybody has rights. Everybody is different. People have different cultures and ethnicity, you ought to embrace that. People not doing so is what is keeping our society back. Not the amount of tax people are paying.
I embrace diversity.

I welcome a better, more diverse Newport. :D
I am sick and tired of all the racism on this site. Eesh. Irish travellers and Gypsies are regarded as ethnic groups. Just because somebody has a different lifestyle to you and a different culture does not make them a 'less worthy' than you. Stop finding reasons to hate, stop letting it consume you and turning you into hate machines, robotic and brainwashed. I am looking forward to meeting our new travelling neighbours and will bring them cake and greet them with a grin. I will not discriminate against them because they are different than me. Everybody is unique, everybody has rights. Everybody is different. People have different cultures and ethnicity, you ought to embrace that. People not doing so is what is keeping our society back. Not the amount of tax people are paying. I embrace diversity. I welcome a better, more diverse Newport. :D Patti71Pram

9:30pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Patti71Pram says...

lowandhardandintheco
rner
wrote:
The simple fact is that no-one on this planet wants these people nearby ( with the possible exception of other gypsys ).

Unless as a group they contribute via taxation, I fail to see why society should accommodate these people and the public needs candidates to vote for who would repeal any legislation which says we must do so.

By failing to contribute or of joining in normal society and by failing to respect other peoples property, they disqualify themselves for consideration for housing and I see no reason why we should bear the costs and inconvenience of these sites.

They should either return to their original homes in Ireland or if they consider themselves of this country, then they should abide by it's laws and live in a civilised fashion and should they wish for a caravan holiday then they should pay for it on a proper site just like the rest of us..
You can't speak for the whole planet, that's just silly isn't it?
Just because somebody does not conform to your idea of 'normal' does not mean they are less worthy than you. Diversity is a positive thing and is a great contribution to society in its own right. Discriminating against somebody because of their ethnicity is racist.
I would really like to know what you class as 'normal'?
[quote][p][bold]lowandhardandintheco rner[/bold] wrote: The simple fact is that no-one on this planet wants these people nearby ( with the possible exception of other gypsys ). Unless as a group they contribute via taxation, I fail to see why society should accommodate these people and the public needs candidates to vote for who would repeal any legislation which says we must do so. By failing to contribute or of joining in normal society and by failing to respect other peoples property, they disqualify themselves for consideration for housing and I see no reason why we should bear the costs and inconvenience of these sites. They should either return to their original homes in Ireland or if they consider themselves of this country, then they should abide by it's laws and live in a civilised fashion and should they wish for a caravan holiday then they should pay for it on a proper site just like the rest of us..[/p][/quote]You can't speak for the whole planet, that's just silly isn't it? Just because somebody does not conform to your idea of 'normal' does not mean they are less worthy than you. Diversity is a positive thing and is a great contribution to society in its own right. Discriminating against somebody because of their ethnicity is racist. I would really like to know what you class as 'normal'? Patti71Pram

1:14am Sun 22 Dec 13

Banjalucka says...

PattiPram - Sorry but your views are untenable for the majority of people. Another do-gooder supporting nonsence. Yes gypsies i would regard as an identifiable ethnice group. How in heavens name can you say this about Irish Tinkers, travellers, homeless migrants?They are all people who should be settled and at work not dumping themselves on communities.
PattiPram - Sorry but your views are untenable for the majority of people. Another do-gooder supporting nonsence. Yes gypsies i would regard as an identifiable ethnice group. How in heavens name can you say this about Irish Tinkers, travellers, homeless migrants?They are all people who should be settled and at work not dumping themselves on communities. Banjalucka

2:41am Sun 22 Dec 13

Patti71Pram says...

Banjalucka wrote:
PattiPram - Sorry but your views are untenable for the majority of people. Another do-gooder supporting nonsence. Yes gypsies i would regard as an identifiable ethnice group. How in heavens name can you say this about Irish Tinkers, travellers, homeless migrants?They are all people who should be settled and at work not dumping themselves on communities.
Irish travellers count as an ethnic group as well as gypsies, it's fact. People discriminating against certain groups of people because of their ethnicity is racist, it's fact.

I'm not racist and I more than welcome diversity.
Why do you seem to find that so offensive?

My views do not reflect all the arrogant right-wingers who are so upset at the thought of people who don't have the same culture, and who they immediately judge and discriminate because of that, move near their home. Those people who are told to hate and do so, always finding more reasons to hate, more people to hate and eventually hate overflowing and spilling from their ears and of their mouth. Ew... hate-bots.

I think I represent a lot of people who aren't judgmental and arrogant who accept other people no matter where they come from or if their home is a portable one or not. Why is being anti-fascist such a shocking thing?

I thought we were in 21st century Newport, not Nazi Germany.
[quote][p][bold]Banjalucka[/bold] wrote: PattiPram - Sorry but your views are untenable for the majority of people. Another do-gooder supporting nonsence. Yes gypsies i would regard as an identifiable ethnice group. How in heavens name can you say this about Irish Tinkers, travellers, homeless migrants?They are all people who should be settled and at work not dumping themselves on communities.[/p][/quote]Irish travellers count as an ethnic group as well as gypsies, it's fact. People discriminating against certain groups of people because of their ethnicity is racist, it's fact. I'm not racist and I more than welcome diversity. Why do you seem to find that so offensive? My views do not reflect all the arrogant right-wingers who are so upset at the thought of people who don't have the same culture, and who they immediately judge and discriminate because of that, move near their home. Those people who are told to hate and do so, always finding more reasons to hate, more people to hate and eventually hate overflowing and spilling from their ears and of their mouth. Ew... hate-bots. I think I represent a lot of people who aren't judgmental and arrogant who accept other people no matter where they come from or if their home is a portable one or not. Why is being anti-fascist such a shocking thing? I thought we were in 21st century Newport, not Nazi Germany. Patti71Pram

5:30am Sun 22 Dec 13

Banjalucka says...

PattiPram - In no way are Irish tinkers an ethnic group or other travellers who are not IRISH. I am not racist, but use common sense. it's the same with out of control immigration. Many countries between UK and the far east.

My views represent the majority ordinary people of this town. As much as i love other cultures, enough is enough! So you wouldn't mind 60 tinker caravans parked outside your house.? Bet your neighbours would! Pass your address on to Bobby Bright please.
PattiPram - In no way are Irish tinkers an ethnic group or other travellers who are not IRISH. I am not racist, but use common sense. it's the same with out of control immigration. Many countries between UK and the far east. My views represent the majority ordinary people of this town. As much as i love other cultures, enough is enough! So you wouldn't mind 60 tinker caravans parked outside your house.? Bet your neighbours would! Pass your address on to Bobby Bright please. Banjalucka

11:55am Sun 22 Dec 13

welshmen says...

Patti71Pram wrote:
welshmen wrote:
People power brought down the Berlin wall, all it takes is Courage to stand and fight for what we hold dear to us, this Council are not fit for purpose, yet, the PC brigade who allow anything anti-British to progress, but go against them and your called a racist when arguing about immigration, well the Gypsies are just like immigrants, they cost the taxpayer millions, they are of no use at all to Newport but we have NO choice unless people power dictates otherwise....
Discriminating against an ethnic group is racist. So yeah, if you are 'anti' a certain group of people because of the ethnicity you are a racist.
You post like a fascist racist anti- British, nobody is entitled to their opinion, it's only your opinion that's right, democratic, that means majority rule, we are the majority on here, so are the 5800 petitioners from Ringland who signed NOT to have 43 caravan pitches in their community but its the fascist Nazi Council who take no notice of the Ringland community and pass a plan not excepted by the majority of the community, that's FASCISM....
[quote][p][bold]Patti71Pram[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: People power brought down the Berlin wall, all it takes is Courage to stand and fight for what we hold dear to us, this Council are not fit for purpose, yet, the PC brigade who allow anything anti-British to progress, but go against them and your called a racist when arguing about immigration, well the Gypsies are just like immigrants, they cost the taxpayer millions, they are of no use at all to Newport but we have NO choice unless people power dictates otherwise....[/p][/quote]Discriminating against an ethnic group is racist. So yeah, if you are 'anti' a certain group of people because of the ethnicity you are a racist.[/p][/quote]You post like a fascist racist anti- British, nobody is entitled to their opinion, it's only your opinion that's right, democratic, that means majority rule, we are the majority on here, so are the 5800 petitioners from Ringland who signed NOT to have 43 caravan pitches in their community but its the fascist Nazi Council who take no notice of the Ringland community and pass a plan not excepted by the majority of the community, that's FASCISM.... welshmen

2:18pm Sun 22 Dec 13

broadjustice says...

Last house on the right, the one bordering with the view. A big detached house.
Last house on the right, the one bordering with the view. A big detached house. broadjustice

2:28pm Sun 22 Dec 13

Patti71Pram says...

welshmen wrote:
Patti71Pram wrote:
welshmen wrote:
People power brought down the Berlin wall, all it takes is Courage to stand and fight for what we hold dear to us, this Council are not fit for purpose, yet, the PC brigade who allow anything anti-British to progress, but go against them and your called a racist when arguing about immigration, well the Gypsies are just like immigrants, they cost the taxpayer millions, they are of no use at all to Newport but we have NO choice unless people power dictates otherwise....
Discriminating against an ethnic group is racist. So yeah, if you are 'anti' a certain group of people because of the ethnicity you are a racist.
You post like a fascist racist anti- British, nobody is entitled to their opinion, it's only your opinion that's right, democratic, that means majority rule, we are the majority on here, so are the 5800 petitioners from Ringland who signed NOT to have 43 caravan pitches in their community but its the fascist Nazi Council who take no notice of the Ringland community and pass a plan not excepted by the majority of the community, that's FASCISM....
Mr.Men- Hahaha! Your silly little comment amuses me! I'm such a fascist for being in a minority of anti-fascists? That makes no sense.

I'm not a fan of the council, I mean seriously not a fan of the council. I am not siding with them. Bob Bright is an idiot, he agrees with you lot as well as being a complete moron in general.
''Cllr Bob Bright, the leader of the council, supported the amendment. He said “5,800 people cannot be wrong,” referring to the number of signatories on petitions against that site.'' Well, what about the mural petition Bobbo?
You actually remind me of him very much, arrogant and too dimwitted to think about the things you are saying. Go you!

Your a supporter of the British Nazi Party I gather? Well! Your a supporter of a known fascist party!
Here some really stupid quotes of your Fuhrer, (his name is Nick Griffin by the way because you clearly don't know much about the party you are supporting):

''I shared a platform with David Duke, who was once a member of the Ku Klux Klan, a totally non-violent one by the way.''

''At 13, I read Mein Kampf, making notes in the margins... I remember thinking, are the Jews really that bad? The chapter I most enjoyed was the one on propaganda and organisation, there are some really useful ideas there.''

''Treason may be acceptable now, but in the free, liberated Britain of the future, treason will be punished in the manners of the old days of our forbears: through Traitor's Gate and into the Tower!''

Still don't believe you don't support a Nazi organisation now?
You really need to start doing your research about these things, by research I don't mean read the Daily Mail or the BNP newsletter. Actually use the internet to learn, learning is fun, maybe read a few history books (I don't mean Mein Kampf by the way)

Being a minority of people does not mean I should conform to your views, that idea is a fascist one.


Nazi Germany was horrendous and I don't want Britain, or any other country for that matter, to become that way. But apparentely you do, you want generations to come to suffer. If you are voting BNP that means your supporting fascism, a way of thinking that sees everybody other than yourself to be scum and not even human unless of course their a non-disabled, straight, British, white male like yourself, if you aren't then that makes this even more ironic.

I want future generations to live in a better more free society than we live in today, where they won't be judged based of their ethnicity, ability, sexuality, or gender. People are all unique and individual so why should we all be put into labels and boxes and your twisted little stereotypes. People are different, they can't and they shouldn't have to all conform to what you see as being the normal way to live, how you think or anything else.

I certainly won't.
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Patti71Pram[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: People power brought down the Berlin wall, all it takes is Courage to stand and fight for what we hold dear to us, this Council are not fit for purpose, yet, the PC brigade who allow anything anti-British to progress, but go against them and your called a racist when arguing about immigration, well the Gypsies are just like immigrants, they cost the taxpayer millions, they are of no use at all to Newport but we have NO choice unless people power dictates otherwise....[/p][/quote]Discriminating against an ethnic group is racist. So yeah, if you are 'anti' a certain group of people because of the ethnicity you are a racist.[/p][/quote]You post like a fascist racist anti- British, nobody is entitled to their opinion, it's only your opinion that's right, democratic, that means majority rule, we are the majority on here, so are the 5800 petitioners from Ringland who signed NOT to have 43 caravan pitches in their community but its the fascist Nazi Council who take no notice of the Ringland community and pass a plan not excepted by the majority of the community, that's FASCISM....[/p][/quote]Mr.Men- Hahaha! Your silly little comment amuses me! I'm such a fascist for being in a minority of anti-fascists? That makes no sense. I'm not a fan of the council, I mean seriously not a fan of the council. I am not siding with them. Bob Bright is an idiot, he agrees with you lot as well as being a complete moron in general. ''Cllr Bob Bright, the leader of the council, supported the amendment. He said “5,800 people cannot be wrong,” referring to the number of signatories on petitions against that site.'' Well, what about the mural petition Bobbo? You actually remind me of him very much, arrogant and too dimwitted to think about the things you are saying. Go you! Your a supporter of the British Nazi Party I gather? Well! Your a supporter of a known fascist party! Here some really stupid quotes of your Fuhrer, (his name is Nick Griffin by the way because you clearly don't know much about the party you are supporting): ''I shared a platform with David Duke, who was once a member of the Ku Klux Klan, a totally non-violent one by the way.'' ''At 13, I read Mein Kampf, making notes in the margins... I remember thinking, are the Jews really that bad? The chapter I most enjoyed was the one on propaganda and organisation, there are some really useful ideas there.'' ''Treason may be acceptable now, but in the free, liberated Britain of the future, treason will be punished in the manners of the old days of our forbears: through Traitor's Gate and into the Tower!'' Still don't believe you don't support a Nazi organisation now? You really need to start doing your research about these things, by research I don't mean read the Daily Mail or the BNP newsletter. Actually use the internet to learn, learning is fun, maybe read a few history books (I don't mean Mein Kampf by the way) Being a minority of people does not mean I should conform to your views, that idea is a fascist one. Nazi Germany was horrendous and I don't want Britain, or any other country for that matter, to become that way. But apparentely you do, you want generations to come to suffer. If you are voting BNP that means your supporting fascism, a way of thinking that sees everybody other than yourself to be scum and not even human unless of course their a non-disabled, straight, British, white male like yourself, if you aren't then that makes this even more ironic. I want future generations to live in a better more free society than we live in today, where they won't be judged based of their ethnicity, ability, sexuality, or gender. People are all unique and individual so why should we all be put into labels and boxes and your twisted little stereotypes. People are different, they can't and they shouldn't have to all conform to what you see as being the normal way to live, how you think or anything else. I certainly won't. Patti71Pram

3:18pm Sun 22 Dec 13

Banjalucka says...

Dear, dear PattiPram, you must have spent the weekend in the library researching fascism and the rest of the racist twaddle. Sounds a bit like Martin Luther King! Dreamland!
Fairness and equality has little to do with it. this country and its people have been very welcoming to immigrants and asylum seekers for decades. No body minds the odd gypsy family or two, but we are being swamped by convoys who are mainly not of ethnic groups - travellers who do not want to travel containing many scroungers. Objecting to this is not racist.
We are to soft in Uk, and it will worsen if the EU continues free movement. People don't want tribes of these people living by thgem .FACT.
Dear, dear PattiPram, you must have spent the weekend in the library researching fascism and the rest of the racist twaddle. Sounds a bit like Martin Luther King! Dreamland! Fairness and equality has little to do with it. this country and its people have been very welcoming to immigrants and asylum seekers for decades. No body minds the odd gypsy family or two, but we are being swamped by convoys who are mainly not of ethnic groups - travellers who do not want to travel containing many scroungers. Objecting to this is not racist. We are to soft in Uk, and it will worsen if the EU continues free movement. People don't want tribes of these people living by thgem .FACT. Banjalucka

4:31pm Sun 22 Dec 13

welshmen says...

Patti71Pram wrote:
welshmen wrote:
Patti71Pram wrote:
welshmen wrote:
People power brought down the Berlin wall, all it takes is Courage to stand and fight for what we hold dear to us, this Council are not fit for purpose, yet, the PC brigade who allow anything anti-British to progress, but go against them and your called a racist when arguing about immigration, well the Gypsies are just like immigrants, they cost the taxpayer millions, they are of no use at all to Newport but we have NO choice unless people power dictates otherwise....
Discriminating against an ethnic group is racist. So yeah, if you are 'anti' a certain group of people because of the ethnicity you are a racist.
You post like a fascist racist anti- British, nobody is entitled to their opinion, it's only your opinion that's right, democratic, that means majority rule, we are the majority on here, so are the 5800 petitioners from Ringland who signed NOT to have 43 caravan pitches in their community but its the fascist Nazi Council who take no notice of the Ringland community and pass a plan not excepted by the majority of the community, that's FASCISM....
Mr.Men- Hahaha! Your silly little comment amuses me! I'm such a fascist for being in a minority of anti-fascists? That makes no sense.

I'm not a fan of the council, I mean seriously not a fan of the council. I am not siding with them. Bob Bright is an idiot, he agrees with you lot as well as being a complete moron in general.
''Cllr Bob Bright, the leader of the council, supported the amendment. He said “5,800 people cannot be wrong,” referring to the number of signatories on petitions against that site.'' Well, what about the mural petition Bobbo?
You actually remind me of him very much, arrogant and too dimwitted to think about the things you are saying. Go you!

Your a supporter of the British Nazi Party I gather? Well! Your a supporter of a known fascist party!
Here some really stupid quotes of your Fuhrer, (his name is Nick Griffin by the way because you clearly don't know much about the party you are supporting):

''I shared a platform with David Duke, who was once a member of the Ku Klux Klan, a totally non-violent one by the way.''

''At 13, I read Mein Kampf, making notes in the margins... I remember thinking, are the Jews really that bad? The chapter I most enjoyed was the one on propaganda and organisation, there are some really useful ideas there.''

''Treason may be acceptable now, but in the free, liberated Britain of the future, treason will be punished in the manners of the old days of our forbears: through Traitor's Gate and into the Tower!''

Still don't believe you don't support a Nazi organisation now?
You really need to start doing your research about these things, by research I don't mean read the Daily Mail or the BNP newsletter. Actually use the internet to learn, learning is fun, maybe read a few history books (I don't mean Mein Kampf by the way)

Being a minority of people does not mean I should conform to your views, that idea is a fascist one.


Nazi Germany was horrendous and I don't want Britain, or any other country for that matter, to become that way. But apparentely you do, you want generations to come to suffer. If you are voting BNP that means your supporting fascism, a way of thinking that sees everybody other than yourself to be scum and not even human unless of course their a non-disabled, straight, British, white male like yourself, if you aren't then that makes this even more ironic.

I want future generations to live in a better more free society than we live in today, where they won't be judged based of their ethnicity, ability, sexuality, or gender. People are all unique and individual so why should we all be put into labels and boxes and your twisted little stereotypes. People are different, they can't and they shouldn't have to all conform to what you see as being the normal way to live, how you think or anything else.

I certainly won't.
Instead of reading bull-crap READ the British National Party policies....

The British National Party are not a Nazi organisation or a fascist party that's the Media and British haters like you, afraid they will do a better job of running this Country than your pathetic party who invite millions of anyone from anywhere to come here, the party you voted for is more to your taste on issue's of hate, also the thousands of people it's killed in wars that have nothing to do with this Country, yes you have a lot to be proud of, don't forget to tell your grand-kids you voted for the destruction of two nations just because they were different from you.

This Country has no other party interested in the British people, like you, your only interested in other issues not concerning humane policies regarding British people, what you have and crave is a Nazi Briton, a Fascist state, you don't listen to the majority of the people, you want what most other people don't want, because you can't agree or get your own way you start the name calling. "that's the Liberal Way".

You have no policy regarding the Gyspy sites you just see them as an ethnic minority that need protecting no matter what, when in actual fact their neither, they are a selection of people mainly Irish, some British Irish not Romany who wish to travel any where they like, that's their choice, communities who have invested time and money are not happy to have a large travellers site near to their homes, but you think they should just because to you the Gypsy people are more important then the Ringland community who petitioned against the Traveller Site,"that's fascism" inflicting the minority on the majority.

The British National Party will do a better job, lets face it, anyone could do a better job than what YOU voted for. "the toffs".

You say
''I shared a platform with David Duke, who was once a member of the Ku Klux Klan, a totally non-violent one by the way.''

''At 13, I read Mein Kampf, making notes in the margins... I remember thinking, are the Jews really that bad? The chapter I most enjoyed was the one on propaganda and organisation, there are some really useful ideas there.''

I say.
What you have read has no bearing on this Country or it's people, it's good to see other sides of other Countries history, you can make sure it never happens here, reintroduction of the Death penalty is needed now more than in our last 100 year history, even you can't love paedophiles and terrorists who destroy lives with out a thought for anyone, were you with the UAF at Liverpool Crown Court supporting the Asian Grooming Gang, UAF soap dodgers, sounds like a cause you'd support ?

You say.
I want future generations to live in a better more free society than we live in today,

I say
Yet you want to inflict the opposite on the Ringland community, you and your kind need de-brainwashing....
[quote][p][bold]Patti71Pram[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Patti71Pram[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: People power brought down the Berlin wall, all it takes is Courage to stand and fight for what we hold dear to us, this Council are not fit for purpose, yet, the PC brigade who allow anything anti-British to progress, but go against them and your called a racist when arguing about immigration, well the Gypsies are just like immigrants, they cost the taxpayer millions, they are of no use at all to Newport but we have NO choice unless people power dictates otherwise....[/p][/quote]Discriminating against an ethnic group is racist. So yeah, if you are 'anti' a certain group of people because of the ethnicity you are a racist.[/p][/quote]You post like a fascist racist anti- British, nobody is entitled to their opinion, it's only your opinion that's right, democratic, that means majority rule, we are the majority on here, so are the 5800 petitioners from Ringland who signed NOT to have 43 caravan pitches in their community but its the fascist Nazi Council who take no notice of the Ringland community and pass a plan not excepted by the majority of the community, that's FASCISM....[/p][/quote]Mr.Men- Hahaha! Your silly little comment amuses me! I'm such a fascist for being in a minority of anti-fascists? That makes no sense. I'm not a fan of the council, I mean seriously not a fan of the council. I am not siding with them. Bob Bright is an idiot, he agrees with you lot as well as being a complete moron in general. ''Cllr Bob Bright, the leader of the council, supported the amendment. He said “5,800 people cannot be wrong,” referring to the number of signatories on petitions against that site.'' Well, what about the mural petition Bobbo? You actually remind me of him very much, arrogant and too dimwitted to think about the things you are saying. Go you! Your a supporter of the British Nazi Party I gather? Well! Your a supporter of a known fascist party! Here some really stupid quotes of your Fuhrer, (his name is Nick Griffin by the way because you clearly don't know much about the party you are supporting): ''I shared a platform with David Duke, who was once a member of the Ku Klux Klan, a totally non-violent one by the way.'' ''At 13, I read Mein Kampf, making notes in the margins... I remember thinking, are the Jews really that bad? The chapter I most enjoyed was the one on propaganda and organisation, there are some really useful ideas there.'' ''Treason may be acceptable now, but in the free, liberated Britain of the future, treason will be punished in the manners of the old days of our forbears: through Traitor's Gate and into the Tower!'' Still don't believe you don't support a Nazi organisation now? You really need to start doing your research about these things, by research I don't mean read the Daily Mail or the BNP newsletter. Actually use the internet to learn, learning is fun, maybe read a few history books (I don't mean Mein Kampf by the way) Being a minority of people does not mean I should conform to your views, that idea is a fascist one. Nazi Germany was horrendous and I don't want Britain, or any other country for that matter, to become that way. But apparentely you do, you want generations to come to suffer. If you are voting BNP that means your supporting fascism, a way of thinking that sees everybody other than yourself to be scum and not even human unless of course their a non-disabled, straight, British, white male like yourself, if you aren't then that makes this even more ironic. I want future generations to live in a better more free society than we live in today, where they won't be judged based of their ethnicity, ability, sexuality, or gender. People are all unique and individual so why should we all be put into labels and boxes and your twisted little stereotypes. People are different, they can't and they shouldn't have to all conform to what you see as being the normal way to live, how you think or anything else. I certainly won't.[/p][/quote]Instead of reading bull-crap READ the British National Party policies.... The British National Party are not a Nazi organisation or a fascist party that's the Media and British haters like you, afraid they will do a better job of running this Country than your pathetic party who invite millions of anyone from anywhere to come here, the party you voted for is more to your taste on issue's of hate, also the thousands of people it's killed in wars that have nothing to do with this Country, yes you have a lot to be proud of, don't forget to tell your grand-kids you voted for the destruction of two nations just because they were different from you. This Country has no other party interested in the British people, like you, your only interested in other issues not concerning humane policies regarding British people, what you have and crave is a Nazi Briton, a Fascist state, you don't listen to the majority of the people, you want what most other people don't want, because you can't agree or get your own way you start the name calling. "that's the Liberal Way". You have no policy regarding the Gyspy sites you just see them as an ethnic minority that need protecting no matter what, when in actual fact their neither, they are a selection of people mainly Irish, some British Irish not Romany who wish to travel any where they like, that's their choice, communities who have invested time and money are not happy to have a large travellers site near to their homes, but you think they should just because to you the Gypsy people are more important then the Ringland community who petitioned against the Traveller Site,"that's fascism" inflicting the minority on the majority. The British National Party will do a better job, lets face it, anyone could do a better job than what YOU voted for. "the toffs". You say ''I shared a platform with David Duke, who was once a member of the Ku Klux Klan, a totally non-violent one by the way.'' ''At 13, I read Mein Kampf, making notes in the margins... I remember thinking, are the Jews really that bad? The chapter I most enjoyed was the one on propaganda and organisation, there are some really useful ideas there.'' I say. What you have read has no bearing on this Country or it's people, it's good to see other sides of other Countries history, you can make sure it never happens here, reintroduction of the Death penalty is needed now more than in our last 100 year history, even you can't love paedophiles and terrorists who destroy lives with out a thought for anyone, were you with the UAF at Liverpool Crown Court supporting the Asian Grooming Gang, UAF soap dodgers, sounds like a cause you'd support ? You say. I want future generations to live in a better more free society than we live in today, I say Yet you want to inflict the opposite on the Ringland community, you and your kind need de-brainwashing.... welshmen

7:04pm Sun 22 Dec 13

lowandhardandinthecorner says...

Patti71Pram wrote:
lowandhardandintheco

rner
wrote:
The simple fact is that no-one on this planet wants these people nearby ( with the possible exception of other gypsys ).

Unless as a group they contribute via taxation, I fail to see why society should accommodate these people and the public needs candidates to vote for who would repeal any legislation which says we must do so.

By failing to contribute or of joining in normal society and by failing to respect other peoples property, they disqualify themselves for consideration for housing and I see no reason why we should bear the costs and inconvenience of these sites.

They should either return to their original homes in Ireland or if they consider themselves of this country, then they should abide by it's laws and live in a civilised fashion and should they wish for a caravan holiday then they should pay for it on a proper site just like the rest of us..
You can't speak for the whole planet, that's just silly isn't it?
Just because somebody does not conform to your idea of 'normal' does not mean they are less worthy than you. Diversity is a positive thing and is a great contribution to society in its own right. Discriminating against somebody because of their ethnicity is racist.
I would really like to know what you class as 'normal'?
I strongly object to your accusation of racism, I have never held disgusting views of that nature and never will do.
If you had any experience of having " travellers " near your home, then you would be aware of the unpleasant side-effects of such encampments including the filth left behind when they leave.
My point was that if they have a primary residence elsewhere then they should pay for any pitches they use when travelling about on their little " holidays ". Those who are residents of this country should pay their taxes as well and observe the law just like the rest of us!
Either way, perhaps people claiming to be travellers should do just that , that is , travel. The problems arise when they fail to do so and end up encamped on other's doorsteps.
[quote][p][bold]Patti71Pram[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lowandhardandintheco rner[/bold] wrote: The simple fact is that no-one on this planet wants these people nearby ( with the possible exception of other gypsys ). Unless as a group they contribute via taxation, I fail to see why society should accommodate these people and the public needs candidates to vote for who would repeal any legislation which says we must do so. By failing to contribute or of joining in normal society and by failing to respect other peoples property, they disqualify themselves for consideration for housing and I see no reason why we should bear the costs and inconvenience of these sites. They should either return to their original homes in Ireland or if they consider themselves of this country, then they should abide by it's laws and live in a civilised fashion and should they wish for a caravan holiday then they should pay for it on a proper site just like the rest of us..[/p][/quote]You can't speak for the whole planet, that's just silly isn't it? Just because somebody does not conform to your idea of 'normal' does not mean they are less worthy than you. Diversity is a positive thing and is a great contribution to society in its own right. Discriminating against somebody because of their ethnicity is racist. I would really like to know what you class as 'normal'?[/p][/quote]I strongly object to your accusation of racism, I have never held disgusting views of that nature and never will do. If you had any experience of having " travellers " near your home, then you would be aware of the unpleasant side-effects of such encampments including the filth left behind when they leave. My point was that if they have a primary residence elsewhere then they should pay for any pitches they use when travelling about on their little " holidays ". Those who are residents of this country should pay their taxes as well and observe the law just like the rest of us! Either way, perhaps people claiming to be travellers should do just that , that is , travel. The problems arise when they fail to do so and end up encamped on other's doorsteps. lowandhardandinthecorner

8:37pm Sun 22 Dec 13

sooty001 says...

casto wrote:
I think its great putting gypsies at ringland and duffryn.let them see what its like living near scroungers and thieves.the gypsies will soon leave haha
What a stupid comment, obviously by a person with limited intelligence.
[quote][p][bold]casto[/bold] wrote: I think its great putting gypsies at ringland and duffryn.let them see what its like living near scroungers and thieves.the gypsies will soon leave haha[/p][/quote]What a stupid comment, obviously by a person with limited intelligence. sooty001

11:08pm Sun 22 Dec 13

countymad says...

Can some one explain to me with all moneys spent on becoming NEWPORT CITY Why the council are happy with a gipsy site on one of the main entry of the city so the first thing visitors see is our GIPSYS Site
Can some one explain to me with all moneys spent on becoming NEWPORT CITY Why the council are happy with a gipsy site on one of the main entry of the city so the first thing visitors see is our GIPSYS Site countymad

5:26am Mon 23 Dec 13

broadjustice says...

Patti is the new keyboard warrior. Either that or she's a gypsy herself.
Patti is the new keyboard warrior. Either that or she's a gypsy herself. broadjustice

10:45am Mon 23 Dec 13

ssjf89 says...

countymad wrote:
Can some one explain to me with all moneys spent on becoming NEWPORT CITY Why the council are happy with a gipsy site on one of the main entry of the city so the first thing visitors see is our GIPSYS Site
that's because that most of the visitors coming to the city are gypsys,.sorry the only visitors are gypsys...A city with the help of the council should be attracting investment,employmen
t,housing,..this city with the help of the council ARE NOT !!! sorry they are attracting gypsys with ,no investment,no employment ,no housing..
[quote][p][bold]countymad[/bold] wrote: Can some one explain to me with all moneys spent on becoming NEWPORT CITY Why the council are happy with a gipsy site on one of the main entry of the city so the first thing visitors see is our GIPSYS Site[/p][/quote]that's because that most of the visitors coming to the city are gypsys,.sorry the only visitors are gypsys...A city with the help of the council should be attracting investment,employmen t,housing,..this city with the help of the council ARE NOT !!! sorry they are attracting gypsys with ,no investment,no employment ,no housing.. ssjf89

11:21am Mon 23 Dec 13

Cymru Am Beth says...

lowandhardandintheco
rner
wrote:
The simple fact is that no-one on this planet wants these people nearby ( with the possible exception of other gypsys ).

Unless as a group they contribute via taxation, I fail to see why society should accommodate these people and the public needs candidates to vote for who would repeal any legislation which says we must do so.

By failing to contribute or of joining in normal society and by failing to respect other peoples property, they disqualify themselves for consideration for housing and I see no reason why we should bear the costs and inconvenience of these sites.

They should either return to their original homes in Ireland or if they consider themselves of this country, then they should abide by it's laws and live in a civilised fashion and should they wish for a caravan holiday then they should pay for it on a proper site just like the rest of us..
Trouble is that you speak too much common sense.
That is a word that has been replaced in meaning by political correctness and human rights.
Even though a majority of the public would be happy for these non contributing freeloaders to be given an encampment on a disused slate mine in the North, it is against their fundamental human rights for this to happen.
That's democracy for you, we have subjugated our rights to that debacle in Brussels who 'couldn't run a p**s up in a brewery'.
[quote][p][bold]lowandhardandintheco rner[/bold] wrote: The simple fact is that no-one on this planet wants these people nearby ( with the possible exception of other gypsys ). Unless as a group they contribute via taxation, I fail to see why society should accommodate these people and the public needs candidates to vote for who would repeal any legislation which says we must do so. By failing to contribute or of joining in normal society and by failing to respect other peoples property, they disqualify themselves for consideration for housing and I see no reason why we should bear the costs and inconvenience of these sites. They should either return to their original homes in Ireland or if they consider themselves of this country, then they should abide by it's laws and live in a civilised fashion and should they wish for a caravan holiday then they should pay for it on a proper site just like the rest of us..[/p][/quote]Trouble is that you speak too much common sense. That is a word that has been replaced in meaning by political correctness and human rights. Even though a majority of the public would be happy for these non contributing freeloaders to be given an encampment on a disused slate mine in the North, it is against their fundamental human rights for this to happen. That's democracy for you, we have subjugated our rights to that debacle in Brussels who 'couldn't run a p**s up in a brewery'. Cymru Am Beth

11:30am Mon 23 Dec 13

Cymru Am Beth says...

merlin the silure wrote:
right-all these "travellers" drive big chelsea tractors,pay no income tax,and all have their back pockets stuffed full of readies-the old bill wont take them on,the council just pander to their needs-they play the discrimination card at any attempt to rein them in-WHATS HAPPENED TO OUR RIGHTS?
And the police are petrified of Gypsies because they will use the 'human rights/racist card' against them.
They would prefer to ignore the problem as they already do in Cardiff.
These people are a law unto themselves and know that they can do almost anything they want without sanction .
Can you imagine the Inland Revenue trying to investigate tax evasion in Rover Way?
They wouldn't get past the front gate it is like a fortress there.
[quote][p][bold]merlin the silure[/bold] wrote: right-all these "travellers" drive big chelsea tractors,pay no income tax,and all have their back pockets stuffed full of readies-the old bill wont take them on,the council just pander to their needs-they play the discrimination card at any attempt to rein them in-WHATS HAPPENED TO OUR RIGHTS?[/p][/quote]And the police are petrified of Gypsies because they will use the 'human rights/racist card' against them. They would prefer to ignore the problem as they already do in Cardiff. These people are a law unto themselves and know that they can do almost anything they want without sanction . Can you imagine the Inland Revenue trying to investigate tax evasion in Rover Way? They wouldn't get past the front gate it is like a fortress there. Cymru Am Beth

11:37am Mon 23 Dec 13

Cymru Am Beth says...

Woodgnome wrote:
Welshchief wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
"The city council is obliged by the Housing Act 2004 to build the sites".
Blair legacy.
I hope that those who voted Labour are pleased with themselves
And those who say that the Alliance could repeal it are overlooking the noxious effect of Clegg and his commies.
Yes they are required to do so, but not in areas where there are friction points, like near schools, retail parks, residential areas, main artery roads where there will be constant trouble, and problems, and dare I say it, cost, not only to the authority, police and local services, but also to the electorate - Dale Farm, Essex, being an example of where many, many millions were lost over the years in court costs, compensation, etc when councils get it wrong.

Remember Dale Farm started off as a legitimate site for a small number of travellers, which travellers then abused by packing it illegally with friends and other non legitimate travellers causing it to grow substantially to almost 5 times it's size original size if not bigger, thus becoming a continual drain on resources, budget and reserves before it was legally decided to take total action, this whole saga taking at least some 20+ years. The total cost of court cases, police, council, school, highways, social services, fire, solicitors and lawyers costs, bailiffs fees, relocation and compensation costs, eventually headed into the high millions.


They can be sited in countryside, towards Goldcliff, Witson, East Usk, etc.
We all have to comply with laws and regulations and so must they. It must be an absolute term of residence that they comply with site conditions, are not a nuisance to neighbours, don't turn it into a rubbish tip or scrapyard, don't fill local fields with fly grazing horses and there can be no question of a "no go" area for the police and site managers.
And you honestly believe that they will comply with this?
[quote][p][bold]Woodgnome[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Welshchief[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: "The city council is obliged by the Housing Act 2004 to build the sites". Blair legacy. I hope that those who voted Labour are pleased with themselves And those who say that the Alliance could repeal it are overlooking the noxious effect of Clegg and his commies.[/p][/quote]Yes they are required to do so, but not in areas where there are friction points, like near schools, retail parks, residential areas, main artery roads where there will be constant trouble, and problems, and dare I say it, cost, not only to the authority, police and local services, but also to the electorate - Dale Farm, Essex, being an example of where many, many millions were lost over the years in court costs, compensation, etc when councils get it wrong. Remember Dale Farm started off as a legitimate site for a small number of travellers, which travellers then abused by packing it illegally with friends and other non legitimate travellers causing it to grow substantially to almost 5 times it's size original size if not bigger, thus becoming a continual drain on resources, budget and reserves before it was legally decided to take total action, this whole saga taking at least some 20+ years. The total cost of court cases, police, council, school, highways, social services, fire, solicitors and lawyers costs, bailiffs fees, relocation and compensation costs, eventually headed into the high millions. They can be sited in countryside, towards Goldcliff, Witson, East Usk, etc.[/p][/quote]We all have to comply with laws and regulations and so must they. It must be an absolute term of residence that they comply with site conditions, are not a nuisance to neighbours, don't turn it into a rubbish tip or scrapyard, don't fill local fields with fly grazing horses and there can be no question of a "no go" area for the police and site managers.[/p][/quote]And you honestly believe that they will comply with this? Cymru Am Beth

3:14pm Mon 23 Dec 13

GlassOfThePort says...

As a private tenant in the Duffryn area I signed the petition against the gypsy site, I thought with the democracy we live in and the thousands who came together on this that we would be listened to, unsurprisingly I was wrong.

I've lived in Newport for most of my life and during this recent decline I've hoped for it to turn around, I still visit the town centre weekly to try and support it, I follow the local sports teams and spend my hard earned money in the pubs and restaurants whenever I can, but I've been stabbed in the back by this disgusting council and welsh assembly (that we didn't ask for) one too many times, this is the final straw for me and I'm moving my family to Cwmbran, I'm sure politicians will do their best to destroy Cwmbran but it's got to be better than this place for a while!

I am a working (taxpaying) man, and my partner is also in full time employment, our contribution however small it may seem is leaving this council area, and I hope thousands more follow. I do feel sorry for home-owners who will not be able to sell as a result of this.

I see a revolution coming to this country soon, we are fed up of being ignored, we are fed up of non-contributing people from all parts of the world taking the p***, and overly PC politicians too scared to say anything for fear of being called racist.
As a private tenant in the Duffryn area I signed the petition against the gypsy site, I thought with the democracy we live in and the thousands who came together on this that we would be listened to, unsurprisingly I was wrong. I've lived in Newport for most of my life and during this recent decline I've hoped for it to turn around, I still visit the town centre weekly to try and support it, I follow the local sports teams and spend my hard earned money in the pubs and restaurants whenever I can, but I've been stabbed in the back by this disgusting council and welsh assembly (that we didn't ask for) one too many times, this is the final straw for me and I'm moving my family to Cwmbran, I'm sure politicians will do their best to destroy Cwmbran but it's got to be better than this place for a while! I am a working (taxpaying) man, and my partner is also in full time employment, our contribution however small it may seem is leaving this council area, and I hope thousands more follow. I do feel sorry for home-owners who will not be able to sell as a result of this. I see a revolution coming to this country soon, we are fed up of being ignored, we are fed up of non-contributing people from all parts of the world taking the p***, and overly PC politicians too scared to say anything for fear of being called racist. GlassOfThePort

5:21pm Mon 23 Dec 13

welshmen says...

GlassOfThePort wrote:
As a private tenant in the Duffryn area I signed the petition against the gypsy site, I thought with the democracy we live in and the thousands who came together on this that we would be listened to, unsurprisingly I was wrong.

I've lived in Newport for most of my life and during this recent decline I've hoped for it to turn around, I still visit the town centre weekly to try and support it, I follow the local sports teams and spend my hard earned money in the pubs and restaurants whenever I can, but I've been stabbed in the back by this disgusting council and welsh assembly (that we didn't ask for) one too many times, this is the final straw for me and I'm moving my family to Cwmbran, I'm sure politicians will do their best to destroy Cwmbran but it's got to be better than this place for a while!

I am a working (taxpaying) man, and my partner is also in full time employment, our contribution however small it may seem is leaving this council area, and I hope thousands more follow. I do feel sorry for home-owners who will not be able to sell as a result of this.

I see a revolution coming to this country soon, we are fed up of being ignored, we are fed up of non-contributing people from all parts of the world taking the p***, and overly PC politicians too scared to say anything for fear of being called racist.
Your not on your own, the feeling you have described is mine and probably millions other Brits, it's NOT racist to love your Country and want to live your life as our families have done for years, don't mind a few coming here but millions came and more on the way, we are treated like mugs in our supposed to be Country....
[quote][p][bold]GlassOfThePort[/bold] wrote: As a private tenant in the Duffryn area I signed the petition against the gypsy site, I thought with the democracy we live in and the thousands who came together on this that we would be listened to, unsurprisingly I was wrong. I've lived in Newport for most of my life and during this recent decline I've hoped for it to turn around, I still visit the town centre weekly to try and support it, I follow the local sports teams and spend my hard earned money in the pubs and restaurants whenever I can, but I've been stabbed in the back by this disgusting council and welsh assembly (that we didn't ask for) one too many times, this is the final straw for me and I'm moving my family to Cwmbran, I'm sure politicians will do their best to destroy Cwmbran but it's got to be better than this place for a while! I am a working (taxpaying) man, and my partner is also in full time employment, our contribution however small it may seem is leaving this council area, and I hope thousands more follow. I do feel sorry for home-owners who will not be able to sell as a result of this. I see a revolution coming to this country soon, we are fed up of being ignored, we are fed up of non-contributing people from all parts of the world taking the p***, and overly PC politicians too scared to say anything for fear of being called racist.[/p][/quote]Your not on your own, the feeling you have described is mine and probably millions other Brits, it's NOT racist to love your Country and want to live your life as our families have done for years, don't mind a few coming here but millions came and more on the way, we are treated like mugs in our supposed to be Country.... welshmen

7:25pm Mon 23 Dec 13

casto says...

sooty001 wrote:
casto wrote:
I think its great putting gypsies at ringland and duffryn.let them see what its like living near scroungers and thieves.the gypsies will soon leave haha
What a stupid comment, obviously by a person with limited intelligence.
Not a hint of racism implied in your name is there,sooty? .or do it point to a muppet,oops sorry,meant puppet hoh hoh hoh
[quote][p][bold]sooty001[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]casto[/bold] wrote: I think its great putting gypsies at ringland and duffryn.let them see what its like living near scroungers and thieves.the gypsies will soon leave haha[/p][/quote]What a stupid comment, obviously by a person with limited intelligence.[/p][/quote]Not a hint of racism implied in your name is there,sooty? .or do it point to a muppet,oops sorry,meant puppet hoh hoh hoh casto

7:46pm Mon 23 Dec 13

sooty001 says...

casto wrote:
sooty001 wrote:
casto wrote:
I think its great putting gypsies at ringland and duffryn.let them see what its like living near scroungers and thieves.the gypsies will soon leave haha
What a stupid comment, obviously by a person with limited intelligence.
Not a hint of racism implied in your name is there,sooty? .or do it point to a muppet,oops sorry,meant puppet hoh hoh hoh
Ah! Limited intelligence and poor grammar ( does it ).
See me after class.
[quote][p][bold]casto[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sooty001[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]casto[/bold] wrote: I think its great putting gypsies at ringland and duffryn.let them see what its like living near scroungers and thieves.the gypsies will soon leave haha[/p][/quote]What a stupid comment, obviously by a person with limited intelligence.[/p][/quote]Not a hint of racism implied in your name is there,sooty? .or do it point to a muppet,oops sorry,meant puppet hoh hoh hoh[/p][/quote]Ah! Limited intelligence and poor grammar ( does it ). See me after class. sooty001

5:37am Tue 24 Dec 13

jimmysmith says...

what a complete out of touch idiot patti71pram is . its no wonder this countries in the mess its in .Its shameful to witness the sewer newport is fast becoming and clowns like this pratt 71 pram condones these actions by newport council .Rip newport you are fast becoming the countries biggest cesspit
what a complete out of touch idiot patti71pram is . its no wonder this countries in the mess its in .Its shameful to witness the sewer newport is fast becoming and clowns like this pratt 71 pram condones these actions by newport council .Rip newport you are fast becoming the countries biggest cesspit jimmysmith

9:22am Tue 24 Dec 13

scraptheWAG says...

how nice get ready for gas canisters threw about rubbish everywhere dogs roaming just look at the mess they make at magor services.
how nice get ready for gas canisters threw about rubbish everywhere dogs roaming just look at the mess they make at magor services. scraptheWAG

5:47pm Tue 24 Dec 13

cymruamblyth says...

Pratt71pram "Talk about a comedy of errors. You should put your brain in gear before putting your ranting and raving nappies on.!

Gypsies are a lifestyle choice not a race!!!!! You perceive any injustice towards a certain group of people as racist but what we're really doing is being 'ethnicist.' It's discrimination towards their ethnicity - their background, allegiance or organisation - not their race.
Pratt71pram "Talk about a comedy of errors. You should put your brain in gear before putting your ranting and raving nappies on.! Gypsies are a lifestyle choice not a race!!!!! You perceive any injustice towards a certain group of people as racist but what we're really doing is being 'ethnicist.' It's discrimination towards their ethnicity - their background, allegiance or organisation - not their race. cymruamblyth

6:03pm Tue 24 Dec 13

jimmysmith says...

welshmen wrote:
Don't have any, tree lopping, hedge cutting, tarmac drive ways, walls, roofs, patio's, landscaping, stone drive ways, or scrap iron, given to these travellers, JUST SAY NO....
all the above canvassing etc should be banned ,they find vulnerable people out this way next step then distraction burglaries etc .
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: Don't have any, tree lopping, hedge cutting, tarmac drive ways, walls, roofs, patio's, landscaping, stone drive ways, or scrap iron, given to these travellers, JUST SAY NO....[/p][/quote]all the above canvassing etc should be banned ,they find vulnerable people out this way next step then distraction burglaries etc . jimmysmith

6:03pm Tue 24 Dec 13

cymruamblyth says...

And left-wing commentators are the real cowards, who for reasons of ideological dogma, seek to prevent these issues from being acknowledged or even discussed..
And left-wing commentators are the real cowards, who for reasons of ideological dogma, seek to prevent these issues from being acknowledged or even discussed.. cymruamblyth

9:33am Mon 30 Dec 13

Kod111 says...

lowandhardandintheco
rner
wrote:
The simple fact is that no-one on this planet wants these people nearby ( with the possible exception of other gypsys ).

Unless as a group they contribute via taxation, I fail to see why society should accommodate these people and the public needs candidates to vote for who would repeal any legislation which says we must do so.

By failing to contribute or of joining in normal society and by failing to respect other peoples property, they disqualify themselves for consideration for housing and I see no reason why we should bear the costs and inconvenience of these sites.

They should either return to their original homes in Ireland or if they consider themselves of this country, then they should abide by it's laws and live in a civilised fashion and should they wish for a caravan holiday then they should pay for it on a proper site just like the rest of us..
This comment is derogatory towards gypsy and travelers and should not be tollorated. Please remove as it's offensive. There is no need for rasist comments.
[quote][p][bold]lowandhardandintheco rner[/bold] wrote: The simple fact is that no-one on this planet wants these people nearby ( with the possible exception of other gypsys ). Unless as a group they contribute via taxation, I fail to see why society should accommodate these people and the public needs candidates to vote for who would repeal any legislation which says we must do so. By failing to contribute or of joining in normal society and by failing to respect other peoples property, they disqualify themselves for consideration for housing and I see no reason why we should bear the costs and inconvenience of these sites. They should either return to their original homes in Ireland or if they consider themselves of this country, then they should abide by it's laws and live in a civilised fashion and should they wish for a caravan holiday then they should pay for it on a proper site just like the rest of us..[/p][/quote]This comment is derogatory towards gypsy and travelers and should not be tollorated. Please remove as it's offensive. There is no need for rasist comments. Kod111

10:44am Mon 30 Dec 13

Cymru Am Beth says...

Kod111 wrote:
lowandhardandintheco

rner
wrote:
The simple fact is that no-one on this planet wants these people nearby ( with the possible exception of other gypsys ).

Unless as a group they contribute via taxation, I fail to see why society should accommodate these people and the public needs candidates to vote for who would repeal any legislation which says we must do so.

By failing to contribute or of joining in normal society and by failing to respect other peoples property, they disqualify themselves for consideration for housing and I see no reason why we should bear the costs and inconvenience of these sites.

They should either return to their original homes in Ireland or if they consider themselves of this country, then they should abide by it's laws and live in a civilised fashion and should they wish for a caravan holiday then they should pay for it on a proper site just like the rest of us..
This comment is derogatory towards gypsy and travelers and should not be tollorated. Please remove as it's offensive. There is no need for rasist comments.
Very poor command of the English language.
Are you an Irish Tinker?
The comment is not RACIST at all as Gypsies are not a race.
Also, what is wrong with telling the truth.
As the old saying goes, 'the truth hurts'.
The Irish don't want them so they come over here and take advantage of our overly generous welfare system whilst working for cash and not declaring it to the Inland Revenue.
What do the Gypsies contribute to normal society then, please enlighten me?
'Proper Gypsies' originated from India.
The ones we have over here are far removed from them and are just feral travellers 'out for what they can get', usually for nothing.
Just look at the comments on here.
The vast majority don't support your view because the facts speak for themselves I am afraid.
[quote][p][bold]Kod111[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lowandhardandintheco rner[/bold] wrote: The simple fact is that no-one on this planet wants these people nearby ( with the possible exception of other gypsys ). Unless as a group they contribute via taxation, I fail to see why society should accommodate these people and the public needs candidates to vote for who would repeal any legislation which says we must do so. By failing to contribute or of joining in normal society and by failing to respect other peoples property, they disqualify themselves for consideration for housing and I see no reason why we should bear the costs and inconvenience of these sites. They should either return to their original homes in Ireland or if they consider themselves of this country, then they should abide by it's laws and live in a civilised fashion and should they wish for a caravan holiday then they should pay for it on a proper site just like the rest of us..[/p][/quote]This comment is derogatory towards gypsy and travelers and should not be tollorated. Please remove as it's offensive. There is no need for rasist comments.[/p][/quote]Very poor command of the English language. Are you an Irish Tinker? The comment is not RACIST at all as Gypsies are not a race. Also, what is wrong with telling the truth. As the old saying goes, 'the truth hurts'. The Irish don't want them so they come over here and take advantage of our overly generous welfare system whilst working for cash and not declaring it to the Inland Revenue. What do the Gypsies contribute to normal society then, please enlighten me? 'Proper Gypsies' originated from India. The ones we have over here are far removed from them and are just feral travellers 'out for what they can get', usually for nothing. Just look at the comments on here. The vast majority don't support your view because the facts speak for themselves I am afraid. Cymru Am Beth

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