ARGUS COMMENT: Newport city centre can rise from the rubble

South Wales Argus: ARGUS COMMENT: Newport city centre can rise from the rubble ARGUS COMMENT: Newport city centre can rise from the rubble

YESTERDAY’S explosive demolition of Newport’s Capitol car park could be just the jolt needed for the public to get behind the regeneration of the city centre.

There have been many false dawns for the city centre, during which the area has become increasingly old, tired and quiet.

But just after dawn yesterday, some 2,000 people turned out to witness the demolition, with tens of thousands of people also turning to our website to see video footage of the event – making its popularity in the history of southwalesargus.co.uk second only to the recent flooding.

The council has borrowed £90 million from the public purse in order to ensure the regeneration project goes ahead – a move which was not without its critics.

But worse than criticism of the attempts of successive councils to rejuvenate Newport is apathy. There has been a sense of hopelessness among many that the city centre is a lost cause – and this is a feeling which must change if Friars Walk is to succeed.

The derelict car park came down in just six seconds, but those six seconds – watched by many thousands – may be just enough to galvanise public support for a vibrant new city centre.

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1:17pm Mon 13 Jan 14

KarloMarko says...

Just when you think the Argus cant get any more absurd and "reality in denial"..

It bangs out another wind-up OpEd like this!

I was "shopping" in Zooport on Sat and hell will freeze over before I endure that ever again. "The Horror, The Horror" - Joseph Conrad.
Just when you think the Argus cant get any more absurd and "reality in denial".. It bangs out another wind-up OpEd like this! I was "shopping" in Zooport on Sat and hell will freeze over before I endure that ever again. "The Horror, The Horror" - Joseph Conrad. KarloMarko
  • Score: -44

1:50pm Mon 13 Jan 14

lowandhardandinthecorner says...

Like the editorial says, let's be positive about this, the city has stagnated for far too long.
I'm doing my bit by using the market more often and while I'm in the centre I'm always surprised by the numbers in the city considering so many shops have closed. Let's hope the new development provides a stimulus for some big names to return.
Like the editorial says, let's be positive about this, the city has stagnated for far too long. I'm doing my bit by using the market more often and while I'm in the centre I'm always surprised by the numbers in the city considering so many shops have closed. Let's hope the new development provides a stimulus for some big names to return. lowandhardandinthecorner
  • Score: 41

1:51pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Adrian Williams says...

Banning internet trolls like KarloMarko and their wind up comments would also be a good idea. I was glad I was there with my kids yesterday - upwards and onwards !
Banning internet trolls like KarloMarko and their wind up comments would also be a good idea. I was glad I was there with my kids yesterday - upwards and onwards ! Adrian Williams
  • Score: 37

2:22pm Mon 13 Jan 14

NakedDancer says...

Adrian Williams wrote:
Banning internet trolls like KarloMarko and their wind up comments would also be a good idea. I was glad I was there with my kids yesterday - upwards and onwards !
Agreed, he only ever spreads poison on the comments pages. I was in Newport today and it was pretty busy with lots of positivity. Good road access, easy to park and lovely old buildings - not soulless malls. Hope this is the start of regeneration.
[quote][p][bold]Adrian Williams[/bold] wrote: Banning internet trolls like KarloMarko and their wind up comments would also be a good idea. I was glad I was there with my kids yesterday - upwards and onwards ![/p][/quote]Agreed, he only ever spreads poison on the comments pages. I was in Newport today and it was pretty busy with lots of positivity. Good road access, easy to park and lovely old buildings - not soulless malls. Hope this is the start of regeneration. NakedDancer
  • Score: 30

2:28pm Mon 13 Jan 14

inkyskin says...

either get behind the Newport regen or get out! Newports future is looking bright, sick of it being slagged off, Rome wasn't built in a day folks!
either get behind the Newport regen or get out! Newports future is looking bright, sick of it being slagged off, Rome wasn't built in a day folks! inkyskin
  • Score: 25

2:42pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Vox Dei says...

Slagging off our city is so last year. This is 2014 folks! We can see things starting to happen now. Time to believe!
Slagging off our city is so last year. This is 2014 folks! We can see things starting to happen now. Time to believe! Vox Dei
  • Score: 20

2:50pm Mon 13 Jan 14

DavidMclean says...

NakedDancer wrote:
Adrian Williams wrote:
Banning internet trolls like KarloMarko and their wind up comments would also be a good idea. I was glad I was there with my kids yesterday - upwards and onwards !
Agreed, he only ever spreads poison on the comments pages. I was in Newport today and it was pretty busy with lots of positivity. Good road access, easy to park and lovely old buildings - not soulless malls. Hope this is the start of regeneration.
Totally appreciate the sentiment NakedDancer, but isn't Friars Walk just another 'soulless mall'?
[quote][p][bold]NakedDancer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Adrian Williams[/bold] wrote: Banning internet trolls like KarloMarko and their wind up comments would also be a good idea. I was glad I was there with my kids yesterday - upwards and onwards ![/p][/quote]Agreed, he only ever spreads poison on the comments pages. I was in Newport today and it was pretty busy with lots of positivity. Good road access, easy to park and lovely old buildings - not soulless malls. Hope this is the start of regeneration.[/p][/quote]Totally appreciate the sentiment NakedDancer, but isn't Friars Walk just another 'soulless mall'? DavidMclean
  • Score: -14

2:51pm Mon 13 Jan 14

DavidMclean says...

Adrian Williams wrote:
Banning internet trolls like KarloMarko and their wind up comments would also be a good idea. I was glad I was there with my kids yesterday - upwards and onwards !
Ahhh! The banning of freedom of speech for people who dare to disagree. Always a good one comrade!
[quote][p][bold]Adrian Williams[/bold] wrote: Banning internet trolls like KarloMarko and their wind up comments would also be a good idea. I was glad I was there with my kids yesterday - upwards and onwards ![/p][/quote]Ahhh! The banning of freedom of speech for people who dare to disagree. Always a good one comrade! DavidMclean
  • Score: -15

2:54pm Mon 13 Jan 14

DavidMclean says...

inkyskin wrote:
either get behind the Newport regen or get out! Newports future is looking bright, sick of it being slagged off, Rome wasn't built in a day folks!
Well that depends on whether you actually believe Friars Walk is 'regen'. I don't.

If you want genuine regeneration you need to take a look at the RE-Newport report. That's where the REAL regeneration spirit lives, not in Bob Bright's vision of a Starbucks future for Newport.

The smart money is behind Re-Newport. Check it out. Well worth a read and a GENUINE vision for Newport's future.

The Bob Bright supporters will hate it, but they are SO last year.
[quote][p][bold]inkyskin[/bold] wrote: either get behind the Newport regen or get out! Newports future is looking bright, sick of it being slagged off, Rome wasn't built in a day folks![/p][/quote]Well that depends on whether you actually believe Friars Walk is 'regen'. I don't. If you want genuine regeneration you need to take a look at the RE-Newport report. That's where the REAL regeneration spirit lives, not in Bob Bright's vision of a Starbucks future for Newport. The smart money is behind Re-Newport. Check it out. Well worth a read and a GENUINE vision for Newport's future. The Bob Bright supporters will hate it, but they are SO last year. DavidMclean
  • Score: -2

3:29pm Mon 13 Jan 14

p stani says...

Taken off, I thought we lived in a democracy? I would not complain about other people views,after all we are entitled to one. This is the south wales argus, not the North Korean times.
Taken off, I thought we lived in a democracy? I would not complain about other people views,after all we are entitled to one. This is the south wales argus, not the North Korean times. p stani
  • Score: 8

3:36pm Mon 13 Jan 14

merlin the silure says...

if all you happy clappers on here think that the great god that is Debenhams,Nandos and the others are the saviours of Newport city centre you are very much mistaken--even IF it happens ten or twelve years down the line it will be another debacle like the inshops in the Kingsway centre.
Do you truly believe that Debenhams will bring new tenants flocking to fill the empty,dilapidated shops in,for instance,Commercial Street? Do you really believe that Debenhams will suddenly rid the city centre of our little chav darlings& the beggars & the chuggers?Do you relly believe that Debenhams will encourage you to bring your families into the city centre on a Friday night for a civilised experience?
if all you happy clappers on here think that the great god that is Debenhams,Nandos and the others are the saviours of Newport city centre you are very much mistaken--even IF it happens ten or twelve years down the line it will be another debacle like the inshops in the Kingsway centre. Do you truly believe that Debenhams will bring new tenants flocking to fill the empty,dilapidated shops in,for instance,Commercial Street? Do you really believe that Debenhams will suddenly rid the city centre of our little chav darlings& the beggars & the chuggers?Do you relly believe that Debenhams will encourage you to bring your families into the city centre on a Friday night for a civilised experience? merlin the silure
  • Score: -1

3:44pm Mon 13 Jan 14

p stani says...

merlin the silure wrote:
if all you happy clappers on here think that the great god that is Debenhams,Nandos and the others are the saviours of Newport city centre you are very much mistaken--even IF it happens ten or twelve years down the line it will be another debacle like the inshops in the Kingsway centre.
Do you truly believe that Debenhams will bring new tenants flocking to fill the empty,dilapidated shops in,for instance,Commercial Street? Do you really believe that Debenhams will suddenly rid the city centre of our little chav darlings& the beggars & the chuggers?Do you relly believe that Debenhams will encourage you to bring your families into the city centre on a Friday night for a civilised experience?
Well said mate.
[quote][p][bold]merlin the silure[/bold] wrote: if all you happy clappers on here think that the great god that is Debenhams,Nandos and the others are the saviours of Newport city centre you are very much mistaken--even IF it happens ten or twelve years down the line it will be another debacle like the inshops in the Kingsway centre. Do you truly believe that Debenhams will bring new tenants flocking to fill the empty,dilapidated shops in,for instance,Commercial Street? Do you really believe that Debenhams will suddenly rid the city centre of our little chav darlings& the beggars & the chuggers?Do you relly believe that Debenhams will encourage you to bring your families into the city centre on a Friday night for a civilised experience?[/p][/quote]Well said mate. p stani
  • Score: -2

3:57pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Adrian Williams says...

DavidMclean wrote:
Adrian Williams wrote: Banning internet trolls like KarloMarko and their wind up comments would also be a good idea. I was glad I was there with my kids yesterday - upwards and onwards !
Ahhh! The banning of freedom of speech for people who dare to disagree. Always a good one comrade!
I'm all for freedom of speech and CONSTRUCTIVE DEBATE however continual childish and negative (wind up) comments from the same people bring nothing to the table
[quote][p][bold]DavidMclean[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Adrian Williams[/bold] wrote: Banning internet trolls like KarloMarko and their wind up comments would also be a good idea. I was glad I was there with my kids yesterday - upwards and onwards ![/p][/quote]Ahhh! The banning of freedom of speech for people who dare to disagree. Always a good one comrade![/p][/quote]I'm all for freedom of speech and CONSTRUCTIVE DEBATE however continual childish and negative (wind up) comments from the same people bring nothing to the table Adrian Williams
  • Score: 26

4:05pm Mon 13 Jan 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

Adrian Williams wrote:
DavidMclean wrote:
Adrian Williams wrote: Banning internet trolls like KarloMarko and their wind up comments would also be a good idea. I was glad I was there with my kids yesterday - upwards and onwards !
Ahhh! The banning of freedom of speech for people who dare to disagree. Always a good one comrade!
I'm all for freedom of speech and CONSTRUCTIVE DEBATE however continual childish and negative (wind up) comments from the same people bring nothing to the table
D amn - I thought this was the 'Comments' section, not the 'Constructive Debate' section.

Silly me.

I disagree with you however, I often find KM's comments quite amusing, in much the same way as I find the observational comedy of may comedians amusing. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean they don't have value to anyone else.
[quote][p][bold]Adrian Williams[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DavidMclean[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Adrian Williams[/bold] wrote: Banning internet trolls like KarloMarko and their wind up comments would also be a good idea. I was glad I was there with my kids yesterday - upwards and onwards ![/p][/quote]Ahhh! The banning of freedom of speech for people who dare to disagree. Always a good one comrade![/p][/quote]I'm all for freedom of speech and CONSTRUCTIVE DEBATE however continual childish and negative (wind up) comments from the same people bring nothing to the table[/p][/quote]D amn - I thought this was the 'Comments' section, not the 'Constructive Debate' section. Silly me. I disagree with you however, I often find KM's comments quite amusing, in much the same way as I find the observational comedy of may comedians amusing. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean they don't have value to anyone else. GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: -23

4:15pm Mon 13 Jan 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

Oops - should read 'many comedians'
Oops - should read 'many comedians' GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: -17

4:43pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Captain Tripps says...

lowandhardandintheco
rner
wrote:
Like the editorial says, let's be positive about this, the city has stagnated for far too long.
I'm doing my bit by using the market more often and while I'm in the centre I'm always surprised by the numbers in the city considering so many shops have closed. Let's hope the new development provides a stimulus for some big names to return.
Well done . I am also supporting the market whenever I can . People's attitudes about this city MUST change if we are to succeed in bringing people back to Newport . I am not from Newport but have lived here for 16 years and I am tired of people running it down and sniggering whenever Newport is mentioned . If we can all show our support for the new development we can build on it and make Newport a city to be proud of once again .
[quote][p][bold]lowandhardandintheco rner[/bold] wrote: Like the editorial says, let's be positive about this, the city has stagnated for far too long. I'm doing my bit by using the market more often and while I'm in the centre I'm always surprised by the numbers in the city considering so many shops have closed. Let's hope the new development provides a stimulus for some big names to return.[/p][/quote]Well done . I am also supporting the market whenever I can . People's attitudes about this city MUST change if we are to succeed in bringing people back to Newport . I am not from Newport but have lived here for 16 years and I am tired of people running it down and sniggering whenever Newport is mentioned . If we can all show our support for the new development we can build on it and make Newport a city to be proud of once again . Captain Tripps
  • Score: 26

5:03pm Mon 13 Jan 14

siameselady says...

I'm not a great fan of Newport City centre these days but if things improve I will return. Let's all be optimistic and hope that it will get better!
I'm not a great fan of Newport City centre these days but if things improve I will return. Let's all be optimistic and hope that it will get better! siameselady
  • Score: 20

5:13pm Mon 13 Jan 14

St3v3y says...

p stani wrote:
merlin the silure wrote:
if all you happy clappers on here think that the great god that is Debenhams,Nandos and the others are the saviours of Newport city centre you are very much mistaken--even IF it happens ten or twelve years down the line it will be another debacle like the inshops in the Kingsway centre.
Do you truly believe that Debenhams will bring new tenants flocking to fill the empty,dilapidated shops in,for instance,Commercial Street? Do you really believe that Debenhams will suddenly rid the city centre of our little chav darlings& the beggars & the chuggers?Do you relly believe that Debenhams will encourage you to bring your families into the city centre on a Friday night for a civilised experience?
Well said mate.
I'll second that.....!!
[quote][p][bold]p stani[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]merlin the silure[/bold] wrote: if all you happy clappers on here think that the great god that is Debenhams,Nandos and the others are the saviours of Newport city centre you are very much mistaken--even IF it happens ten or twelve years down the line it will be another debacle like the inshops in the Kingsway centre. Do you truly believe that Debenhams will bring new tenants flocking to fill the empty,dilapidated shops in,for instance,Commercial Street? Do you really believe that Debenhams will suddenly rid the city centre of our little chav darlings& the beggars & the chuggers?Do you relly believe that Debenhams will encourage you to bring your families into the city centre on a Friday night for a civilised experience?[/p][/quote]Well said mate.[/p][/quote]I'll second that.....!! St3v3y
  • Score: -22

5:29pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Bobevans says...

Shopping habits have changed and continue to change. Internet shopping will continue to grow with the High Street declining about 2% a year. Already HMV has closed in Newport

Newport has two regional shopping centres quite close. Bristol & Cardiff. The opening of the Ebbw Vale lines makes it easy to get to Cardiff

Newport also competes against Newport Retail Park & Cwmbran. It is highly unlikely to beat them
Shopping habits have changed and continue to change. Internet shopping will continue to grow with the High Street declining about 2% a year. Already HMV has closed in Newport Newport has two regional shopping centres quite close. Bristol & Cardiff. The opening of the Ebbw Vale lines makes it easy to get to Cardiff Newport also competes against Newport Retail Park & Cwmbran. It is highly unlikely to beat them Bobevans
  • Score: -14

5:36pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Captain Tripps says...

Bobevans wrote:
Shopping habits have changed and continue to change. Internet shopping will continue to grow with the High Street declining about 2% a year. Already HMV has closed in Newport

Newport has two regional shopping centres quite close. Bristol & Cardiff. The opening of the Ebbw Vale lines makes it easy to get to Cardiff

Newport also competes against Newport Retail Park & Cwmbran. It is highly unlikely to beat them
Thanks for your optimism . So what are we supposed to do instead ? Stagnate ?
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: Shopping habits have changed and continue to change. Internet shopping will continue to grow with the High Street declining about 2% a year. Already HMV has closed in Newport Newport has two regional shopping centres quite close. Bristol & Cardiff. The opening of the Ebbw Vale lines makes it easy to get to Cardiff Newport also competes against Newport Retail Park & Cwmbran. It is highly unlikely to beat them[/p][/quote]Thanks for your optimism . So what are we supposed to do instead ? Stagnate ? Captain Tripps
  • Score: 23

6:06pm Mon 13 Jan 14

sanny123 says...

i used to love shopping in newport,but sadly there are no shops there any more,on top of that i never feel safe there,but i do wish it every success.
i used to love shopping in newport,but sadly there are no shops there any more,on top of that i never feel safe there,but i do wish it every success. sanny123
  • Score: -7

6:40pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Adrian Williams says...

p stani wrote:
merlin the silure wrote:
if all you happy clappers on here think that the great god that is Debenhams,Nandos and the others are the saviours of Newport city centre you are very much mistaken--even IF it happens ten or twelve years down the line it will be another debacle like the inshops in the Kingsway centre.
Do you truly believe that Debenhams will bring new tenants flocking to fill the empty,dilapidated shops in,for instance,Commercial Street? Do you really believe that Debenhams will suddenly rid the city centre of our little chav darlings& the beggars & the chuggers?Do you relly believe that Debenhams will encourage you to bring your families into the city centre on a Friday night for a civilised experience?
Well said mate.
For all these people who whinge and moan whatever the news is, here's a solution - move away. You'll soon discover that utopia does not exist and every city or town has it's own problems. If you cannot see the positive in the removal of a disused car park so that redevelopment can start, then there really is no hope for you. All move to a town called Miseryville and leave the positive people behind to get on with things.
[quote][p][bold]p stani[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]merlin the silure[/bold] wrote: if all you happy clappers on here think that the great god that is Debenhams,Nandos and the others are the saviours of Newport city centre you are very much mistaken--even IF it happens ten or twelve years down the line it will be another debacle like the inshops in the Kingsway centre. Do you truly believe that Debenhams will bring new tenants flocking to fill the empty,dilapidated shops in,for instance,Commercial Street? Do you really believe that Debenhams will suddenly rid the city centre of our little chav darlings& the beggars & the chuggers?Do you relly believe that Debenhams will encourage you to bring your families into the city centre on a Friday night for a civilised experience?[/p][/quote]Well said mate.[/p][/quote]For all these people who whinge and moan whatever the news is, here's a solution - move away. You'll soon discover that utopia does not exist and every city or town has it's own problems. If you cannot see the positive in the removal of a disused car park so that redevelopment can start, then there really is no hope for you. All move to a town called Miseryville and leave the positive people behind to get on with things. Adrian Williams
  • Score: 30

6:58pm Mon 13 Jan 14

newportrules says...

DavidMclean wrote:
Adrian Williams wrote:
Banning internet trolls like KarloMarko and their wind up comments would also be a good idea. I was glad I was there with my kids yesterday - upwards and onwards !
Ahhh! The banning of freedom of speech for people who dare to disagree. Always a good one comrade!
KarloMarko is a troll David. He simply comes on here for fun to wind people up and annoy them.
[quote][p][bold]DavidMclean[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Adrian Williams[/bold] wrote: Banning internet trolls like KarloMarko and their wind up comments would also be a good idea. I was glad I was there with my kids yesterday - upwards and onwards ![/p][/quote]Ahhh! The banning of freedom of speech for people who dare to disagree. Always a good one comrade![/p][/quote]KarloMarko is a troll David. He simply comes on here for fun to wind people up and annoy them. newportrules
  • Score: 22

7:01pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Limestonecowboy says...

This is the site where Morrissey contemplates his ideas - after reading some of these posts - heaven knows he was certainly was miserable!
This is the site where Morrissey contemplates his ideas - after reading some of these posts - heaven knows he was certainly was miserable! Limestonecowboy
  • Score: -1

7:05pm Mon 13 Jan 14

scraptheWAG says...

newport was not always the slum it is today it went down hill when the WAG was created.
newport was not always the slum it is today it went down hill when the WAG was created. scraptheWAG
  • Score: -13

7:12pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Thomas O'Malley says...

GardenVarietyMushroo
m
wrote:
Adrian Williams wrote:
DavidMclean wrote:
Adrian Williams wrote: Banning internet trolls like KarloMarko and their wind up comments would also be a good idea. I was glad I was there with my kids yesterday - upwards and onwards !
Ahhh! The banning of freedom of speech for people who dare to disagree. Always a good one comrade!
I'm all for freedom of speech and CONSTRUCTIVE DEBATE however continual childish and negative (wind up) comments from the same people bring nothing to the table
D amn - I thought this was the 'Comments' section, not the 'Constructive Debate' section.

Silly me.

I disagree with you however, I often find KM's comments quite amusing, in much the same way as I find the observational comedy of may comedians amusing. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean they don't have value to anyone else.
Which part of KM's pathetic negative comment do you find amusing ? Of course everyone is entitled to an opinion but he is a known silly troll whose only aim is to annoy and insult people.
[quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Adrian Williams[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DavidMclean[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Adrian Williams[/bold] wrote: Banning internet trolls like KarloMarko and their wind up comments would also be a good idea. I was glad I was there with my kids yesterday - upwards and onwards ![/p][/quote]Ahhh! The banning of freedom of speech for people who dare to disagree. Always a good one comrade![/p][/quote]I'm all for freedom of speech and CONSTRUCTIVE DEBATE however continual childish and negative (wind up) comments from the same people bring nothing to the table[/p][/quote]D amn - I thought this was the 'Comments' section, not the 'Constructive Debate' section. Silly me. I disagree with you however, I often find KM's comments quite amusing, in much the same way as I find the observational comedy of may comedians amusing. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean they don't have value to anyone else.[/p][/quote]Which part of KM's pathetic negative comment do you find amusing ? Of course everyone is entitled to an opinion but he is a known silly troll whose only aim is to annoy and insult people. Thomas O'Malley
  • Score: 11

7:18pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Katie Re-Registered says...

The South Wales Argus must have quite a bit of confidence in the policies of Mr Cameron, Mr Osborne and our dearly beloved Coalition Government if it feels that the recession will soon be over regenerating Newport back into a thriving, prosperous city once more;)! Fact is, the economy of the whole of South Wales has been on the decline since the 1930s. Once the mineral wealth was exploited and heavy industry went abroad to places where hard-edged capitalists know they can more readily exploit majority labour to maximise minority profit it's been downhill since then. I'm all for optimism, but at the same time it's advisable to keep one's feet on the ground. Until national and global trends pick up - even in a best case scenario - don't expect anything in excess of modest improvements. Perhaps a more authentically positive approach would be to redefine what constitutes a great city - its art, architecture, culture and the worthwhile character of its people - as opposed to how many shiny businesses and shops that it has.
The South Wales Argus must have quite a bit of confidence in the policies of Mr Cameron, Mr Osborne and our dearly beloved Coalition Government if it feels that the recession will soon be over regenerating Newport back into a thriving, prosperous city once more;)! Fact is, the economy of the whole of South Wales has been on the decline since the 1930s. Once the mineral wealth was exploited and heavy industry went abroad to places where hard-edged capitalists know they can more readily exploit majority labour to maximise minority profit it's been downhill since then. I'm all for optimism, but at the same time it's advisable to keep one's feet on the ground. Until national and global trends pick up - even in a best case scenario - don't expect anything in excess of modest improvements. Perhaps a more authentically positive approach would be to redefine what constitutes a great city - its art, architecture, culture and the worthwhile character of its people - as opposed to how many shiny businesses and shops that it has. Katie Re-Registered
  • Score: -1

7:29pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Jonnytrouble says...

Go on -1 me too, but I hope this newspaper is right... Newport is supposed to be a City.Cwmbran is a ( modern boring no features ) CONCRETE Town, but is doing well, why is that then ?
The People that shop there ? under cover buildings to keep People dry from our endless down pours of rain with OPEN not closed shops or loads of charity shops ? good FREE parking ? good access ?
Newport had some wonderful old buildings, then OUR planning department and councillor's ALL ruined it, hence that 60-70's Capitol car park as an example and im glad it is gone !
I said before blow the lot up and start again on my last rant, you can take it either way of what I mean but look at some of the new architectural buildings ( again from 60' 70''s ) that have replace the old with ugly concrete a defunct M & S,a BHS,Boots as an example, Woolworths too was built around that time and was knocked down ( 80's ?) and im glad those in the planning Department ( had sense ) to pass the replacement with a lovely architectural looking building !
I would love to see MY Newport as a proud Newportonian to get back to it's former glory with great new architectural interesting buildings blending in with the old we have left from when Newport first became a Town..
It is just a shame that the river was not part of the planning I just hate those ugly dirty brown banks at low tide !
Finally, it will be S**t or bust now, the money loan has been passed and NO going back, we are still in Gloomy times and only so much money around to spend, if it fails, all us Council tax payers of Newport will be paying that price !
Go on -1 me too, but I hope this newspaper is right... Newport is supposed to be a City.Cwmbran is a ( modern boring no features ) CONCRETE Town, but is doing well, why is that then ? The People that shop there ? under cover buildings to keep People dry from our endless down pours of rain with OPEN not closed shops or loads of charity shops ? good FREE parking ? good access ? Newport had some wonderful old buildings, then OUR planning department and councillor's ALL ruined it, hence that 60-70's Capitol car park as an example and im glad it is gone ! I said before blow the lot up and start again on my last rant, you can take it either way of what I mean but look at some of the new architectural buildings ( again from 60' 70''s ) that have replace the old with ugly concrete a defunct M & S,a BHS,Boots as an example, Woolworths too was built around that time and was knocked down ( 80's ?) and im glad those in the planning Department ( had sense ) to pass the replacement with a lovely architectural looking building ! I would love to see MY Newport as a proud Newportonian to get back to it's former glory with great new architectural interesting buildings blending in with the old we have left from when Newport first became a Town.. It is just a shame that the river was not part of the planning I just hate those ugly dirty brown banks at low tide ! Finally, it will be S**t or bust now, the money loan has been passed and NO going back, we are still in Gloomy times and only so much money around to spend, if it fails, all us Council tax payers of Newport will be paying that price ! Jonnytrouble
  • Score: 9

7:31pm Mon 13 Jan 14

NakedDancer says...

DavidMclean wrote:
NakedDancer wrote:
Adrian Williams wrote:
Banning internet trolls like KarloMarko and their wind up comments would also be a good idea. I was glad I was there with my kids yesterday - upwards and onwards !
Agreed, he only ever spreads poison on the comments pages. I was in Newport today and it was pretty busy with lots of positivity. Good road access, easy to park and lovely old buildings - not soulless malls. Hope this is the start of regeneration.
Totally appreciate the sentiment NakedDancer, but isn't Friars Walk just another 'soulless mall'?
Malls are not for me but I understand many people do like them. Friars walk may be part of a solution but will not on its own be a solution. I agree Newport re-gen has many good ideas. Newport has to offer more than 'another mall' and has many lovely buildings (if a bit tatty). Most of all the centre needs big employers like Admiral to drive demand for hotels, restaurants, leisure and retail....and proper policing.
[quote][p][bold]DavidMclean[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NakedDancer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Adrian Williams[/bold] wrote: Banning internet trolls like KarloMarko and their wind up comments would also be a good idea. I was glad I was there with my kids yesterday - upwards and onwards ![/p][/quote]Agreed, he only ever spreads poison on the comments pages. I was in Newport today and it was pretty busy with lots of positivity. Good road access, easy to park and lovely old buildings - not soulless malls. Hope this is the start of regeneration.[/p][/quote]Totally appreciate the sentiment NakedDancer, but isn't Friars Walk just another 'soulless mall'?[/p][/quote]Malls are not for me but I understand many people do like them. Friars walk may be part of a solution but will not on its own be a solution. I agree Newport re-gen has many good ideas. Newport has to offer more than 'another mall' and has many lovely buildings (if a bit tatty). Most of all the centre needs big employers like Admiral to drive demand for hotels, restaurants, leisure and retail....and proper policing. NakedDancer
  • Score: 9

7:32pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Mervyn James says...

Adrian Williams wrote:
p stani wrote:
merlin the silure wrote:
if all you happy clappers on here think that the great god that is Debenhams,Nandos and the others are the saviours of Newport city centre you are very much mistaken--even IF it happens ten or twelve years down the line it will be another debacle like the inshops in the Kingsway centre.
Do you truly believe that Debenhams will bring new tenants flocking to fill the empty,dilapidated shops in,for instance,Commercial Street? Do you really believe that Debenhams will suddenly rid the city centre of our little chav darlings& the beggars & the chuggers?Do you relly believe that Debenhams will encourage you to bring your families into the city centre on a Friday night for a civilised experience?
Well said mate.
For all these people who whinge and moan whatever the news is, here's a solution - move away. You'll soon discover that utopia does not exist and every city or town has it's own problems. If you cannot see the positive in the removal of a disused car park so that redevelopment can start, then there really is no hope for you. All move to a town called Miseryville and leave the positive people behind to get on with things.
I think most would move away, but its not possible. The vista without the car park IS an improvement maybe leave the open view to the USK. The market still struggles, the ohn Frost area never took off, Kingsway was revamped, there was no 'grand plan' to integrate shopping in Newport, Cwmbran is a delight to go shopping to, they always look to the future, the Newport Council always to repeat the mistakes of the past like LG etc.... where the Koreans took the dosh and ran.....
[quote][p][bold]Adrian Williams[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]p stani[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]merlin the silure[/bold] wrote: if all you happy clappers on here think that the great god that is Debenhams,Nandos and the others are the saviours of Newport city centre you are very much mistaken--even IF it happens ten or twelve years down the line it will be another debacle like the inshops in the Kingsway centre. Do you truly believe that Debenhams will bring new tenants flocking to fill the empty,dilapidated shops in,for instance,Commercial Street? Do you really believe that Debenhams will suddenly rid the city centre of our little chav darlings& the beggars & the chuggers?Do you relly believe that Debenhams will encourage you to bring your families into the city centre on a Friday night for a civilised experience?[/p][/quote]Well said mate.[/p][/quote]For all these people who whinge and moan whatever the news is, here's a solution - move away. You'll soon discover that utopia does not exist and every city or town has it's own problems. If you cannot see the positive in the removal of a disused car park so that redevelopment can start, then there really is no hope for you. All move to a town called Miseryville and leave the positive people behind to get on with things.[/p][/quote]I think most would move away, but its not possible. The vista without the car park IS an improvement maybe leave the open view to the USK. The market still struggles, the ohn Frost area never took off, Kingsway was revamped, there was no 'grand plan' to integrate shopping in Newport, Cwmbran is a delight to go shopping to, they always look to the future, the Newport Council always to repeat the mistakes of the past like LG etc.... where the Koreans took the dosh and ran..... Mervyn James
  • Score: -12

7:47pm Mon 13 Jan 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

Thomas O'Malley wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo

m
wrote:
Adrian Williams wrote:
DavidMclean wrote:
Adrian Williams wrote: Banning internet trolls like KarloMarko and their wind up comments would also be a good idea. I was glad I was there with my kids yesterday - upwards and onwards !
Ahhh! The banning of freedom of speech for people who dare to disagree. Always a good one comrade!
I'm all for freedom of speech and CONSTRUCTIVE DEBATE however continual childish and negative (wind up) comments from the same people bring nothing to the table
D amn - I thought this was the 'Comments' section, not the 'Constructive Debate' section.

Silly me.

I disagree with you however, I often find KM's comments quite amusing, in much the same way as I find the observational comedy of may comedians amusing. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean they don't have value to anyone else.
Which part of KM's pathetic negative comment do you find amusing ? Of course everyone is entitled to an opinion but he is a known silly troll whose only aim is to annoy and insult people.
Perceptions of 'trolling' - just like truth, is often highly subjective.

To be honest, I find your comment above more representative of 'trolling' than KM's usual one comment quips. Why do you have to be so personally insulting towards someone who's never harmed or attacked you? Very trollesque behaviour.
[quote][p][bold]Thomas O'Malley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Adrian Williams[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DavidMclean[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Adrian Williams[/bold] wrote: Banning internet trolls like KarloMarko and their wind up comments would also be a good idea. I was glad I was there with my kids yesterday - upwards and onwards ![/p][/quote]Ahhh! The banning of freedom of speech for people who dare to disagree. Always a good one comrade![/p][/quote]I'm all for freedom of speech and CONSTRUCTIVE DEBATE however continual childish and negative (wind up) comments from the same people bring nothing to the table[/p][/quote]D amn - I thought this was the 'Comments' section, not the 'Constructive Debate' section. Silly me. I disagree with you however, I often find KM's comments quite amusing, in much the same way as I find the observational comedy of may comedians amusing. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean they don't have value to anyone else.[/p][/quote]Which part of KM's pathetic negative comment do you find amusing ? Of course everyone is entitled to an opinion but he is a known silly troll whose only aim is to annoy and insult people.[/p][/quote]Perceptions of 'trolling' - just like truth, is often highly subjective. To be honest, I find your comment above more representative of 'trolling' than KM's usual one comment quips. Why do you have to be so personally insulting towards someone who's never harmed or attacked you? Very trollesque behaviour. GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: -12

7:48pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Thomas O'Malley says...

Mervyn James wrote:
Adrian Williams wrote:
p stani wrote:
merlin the silure wrote:
if all you happy clappers on here think that the great god that is Debenhams,Nandos and the others are the saviours of Newport city centre you are very much mistaken--even IF it happens ten or twelve years down the line it will be another debacle like the inshops in the Kingsway centre.
Do you truly believe that Debenhams will bring new tenants flocking to fill the empty,dilapidated shops in,for instance,Commercial Street? Do you really believe that Debenhams will suddenly rid the city centre of our little chav darlings& the beggars & the chuggers?Do you relly believe that Debenhams will encourage you to bring your families into the city centre on a Friday night for a civilised experience?
Well said mate.
For all these people who whinge and moan whatever the news is, here's a solution - move away. You'll soon discover that utopia does not exist and every city or town has it's own problems. If you cannot see the positive in the removal of a disused car park so that redevelopment can start, then there really is no hope for you. All move to a town called Miseryville and leave the positive people behind to get on with things.
I think most would move away, but its not possible. The vista without the car park IS an improvement maybe leave the open view to the USK. The market still struggles, the ohn Frost area never took off, Kingsway was revamped, there was no 'grand plan' to integrate shopping in Newport, Cwmbran is a delight to go shopping to, they always look to the future, the Newport Council always to repeat the mistakes of the past like LG etc.... where the Koreans took the dosh and ran.....
There is no point comparing Newport with Cwmbran. Cwmbran is a privately owned shopping mall of mostly chain retail stores that closes at 5pm. No-one goes there for any reason other than to shop. Newport is a town centre of privately owned buildings (many victorian and listed). There has to be MUCH more to a successful town centre than shopping. Housing, non-retail businesses, offices, hotels, entertainment, restaurants, bars, sports etc
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Adrian Williams[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]p stani[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]merlin the silure[/bold] wrote: if all you happy clappers on here think that the great god that is Debenhams,Nandos and the others are the saviours of Newport city centre you are very much mistaken--even IF it happens ten or twelve years down the line it will be another debacle like the inshops in the Kingsway centre. Do you truly believe that Debenhams will bring new tenants flocking to fill the empty,dilapidated shops in,for instance,Commercial Street? Do you really believe that Debenhams will suddenly rid the city centre of our little chav darlings& the beggars & the chuggers?Do you relly believe that Debenhams will encourage you to bring your families into the city centre on a Friday night for a civilised experience?[/p][/quote]Well said mate.[/p][/quote]For all these people who whinge and moan whatever the news is, here's a solution - move away. You'll soon discover that utopia does not exist and every city or town has it's own problems. If you cannot see the positive in the removal of a disused car park so that redevelopment can start, then there really is no hope for you. All move to a town called Miseryville and leave the positive people behind to get on with things.[/p][/quote]I think most would move away, but its not possible. The vista without the car park IS an improvement maybe leave the open view to the USK. The market still struggles, the ohn Frost area never took off, Kingsway was revamped, there was no 'grand plan' to integrate shopping in Newport, Cwmbran is a delight to go shopping to, they always look to the future, the Newport Council always to repeat the mistakes of the past like LG etc.... where the Koreans took the dosh and ran.....[/p][/quote]There is no point comparing Newport with Cwmbran. Cwmbran is a privately owned shopping mall of mostly chain retail stores that closes at 5pm. No-one goes there for any reason other than to shop. Newport is a town centre of privately owned buildings (many victorian and listed). There has to be MUCH more to a successful town centre than shopping. Housing, non-retail businesses, offices, hotels, entertainment, restaurants, bars, sports etc Thomas O'Malley
  • Score: 22

8:06pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Adrian Williams says...

Everyone stop saying "mall" - this is Newport, not New York !
Everyone stop saying "mall" - this is Newport, not New York ! Adrian Williams
  • Score: -6

8:18pm Mon 13 Jan 14

NakedDancer says...

St3v3y wrote:
p stani wrote:
merlin the silure wrote:
if all you happy clappers on here think that the great god that is Debenhams,Nandos and the others are the saviours of Newport city centre you are very much mistaken--even IF it happens ten or twelve years down the line it will be another debacle like the inshops in the Kingsway centre.
Do you truly believe that Debenhams will bring new tenants flocking to fill the empty,dilapidated shops in,for instance,Commercial Street? Do you really believe that Debenhams will suddenly rid the city centre of our little chav darlings& the beggars & the chuggers?Do you relly believe that Debenhams will encourage you to bring your families into the city centre on a Friday night for a civilised experience?
Well said mate.
I'll second that.....!!
Everyone knows Debenhams will not solve all the problems but you have to start somewhere. Its easy to knock it - why don't you put forward some alternative ideas ?
[quote][p][bold]St3v3y[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]p stani[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]merlin the silure[/bold] wrote: if all you happy clappers on here think that the great god that is Debenhams,Nandos and the others are the saviours of Newport city centre you are very much mistaken--even IF it happens ten or twelve years down the line it will be another debacle like the inshops in the Kingsway centre. Do you truly believe that Debenhams will bring new tenants flocking to fill the empty,dilapidated shops in,for instance,Commercial Street? Do you really believe that Debenhams will suddenly rid the city centre of our little chav darlings& the beggars & the chuggers?Do you relly believe that Debenhams will encourage you to bring your families into the city centre on a Friday night for a civilised experience?[/p][/quote]Well said mate.[/p][/quote]I'll second that.....!![/p][/quote]Everyone knows Debenhams will not solve all the problems but you have to start somewhere. Its easy to knock it - why don't you put forward some alternative ideas ? NakedDancer
  • Score: 18

8:38pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Thomas O'Malley says...

GardenVarietyMushroo
m
wrote:
Thomas O'Malley wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo


m
wrote:
Adrian Williams wrote:
DavidMclean wrote:
Adrian Williams wrote: Banning internet trolls like KarloMarko and their wind up comments would also be a good idea. I was glad I was there with my kids yesterday - upwards and onwards !
Ahhh! The banning of freedom of speech for people who dare to disagree. Always a good one comrade!
I'm all for freedom of speech and CONSTRUCTIVE DEBATE however continual childish and negative (wind up) comments from the same people bring nothing to the table
D amn - I thought this was the 'Comments' section, not the 'Constructive Debate' section.

Silly me.

I disagree with you however, I often find KM's comments quite amusing, in much the same way as I find the observational comedy of may comedians amusing. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean they don't have value to anyone else.
Which part of KM's pathetic negative comment do you find amusing ? Of course everyone is entitled to an opinion but he is a known silly troll whose only aim is to annoy and insult people.
Perceptions of 'trolling' - just like truth, is often highly subjective.

To be honest, I find your comment above more representative of 'trolling' than KM's usual one comment quips. Why do you have to be so personally insulting towards someone who's never harmed or attacked you? Very trollesque behaviour.
Huh - You'll see a number of contributors know KM as a regular troll that comments specifically to provoke an argument.
[quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thomas O'Malley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Adrian Williams[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DavidMclean[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Adrian Williams[/bold] wrote: Banning internet trolls like KarloMarko and their wind up comments would also be a good idea. I was glad I was there with my kids yesterday - upwards and onwards ![/p][/quote]Ahhh! The banning of freedom of speech for people who dare to disagree. Always a good one comrade![/p][/quote]I'm all for freedom of speech and CONSTRUCTIVE DEBATE however continual childish and negative (wind up) comments from the same people bring nothing to the table[/p][/quote]D amn - I thought this was the 'Comments' section, not the 'Constructive Debate' section. Silly me. I disagree with you however, I often find KM's comments quite amusing, in much the same way as I find the observational comedy of may comedians amusing. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean they don't have value to anyone else.[/p][/quote]Which part of KM's pathetic negative comment do you find amusing ? Of course everyone is entitled to an opinion but he is a known silly troll whose only aim is to annoy and insult people.[/p][/quote]Perceptions of 'trolling' - just like truth, is often highly subjective. To be honest, I find your comment above more representative of 'trolling' than KM's usual one comment quips. Why do you have to be so personally insulting towards someone who's never harmed or attacked you? Very trollesque behaviour.[/p][/quote]Huh - You'll see a number of contributors know KM as a regular troll that comments specifically to provoke an argument. Thomas O'Malley
  • Score: 9

8:46pm Mon 13 Jan 14

merlin the silure says...

NakedDancer wrote:
St3v3y wrote:
p stani wrote:
merlin the silure wrote:
if all you happy clappers on here think that the great god that is Debenhams,Nandos and the others are the saviours of Newport city centre you are very much mistaken--even IF it happens ten or twelve years down the line it will be another debacle like the inshops in the Kingsway centre.
Do you truly believe that Debenhams will bring new tenants flocking to fill the empty,dilapidated shops in,for instance,Commercial Street? Do you really believe that Debenhams will suddenly rid the city centre of our little chav darlings& the beggars & the chuggers?Do you relly believe that Debenhams will encourage you to bring your families into the city centre on a Friday night for a civilised experience?
Well said mate.
I'll second that.....!!
Everyone knows Debenhams will not solve all the problems but you have to start somewhere. Its easy to knock it - why don't you put forward some alternative ideas ?
hey Naked -its not our perogative to supply what is needed,we can only comment on whats in front of us.
Its the City Councils job to provide-and on their recent performances they dont have a lot going for them.
Just to repeat myself-Debenhams and Friars Walk will not be the answer to Newports malaise.Maybe the Argus can archive all of this and we can view it in ten years time-if I' and others are wrong I will gladly hold my hands up BUT I doubt it very much.
[quote][p][bold]NakedDancer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St3v3y[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]p stani[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]merlin the silure[/bold] wrote: if all you happy clappers on here think that the great god that is Debenhams,Nandos and the others are the saviours of Newport city centre you are very much mistaken--even IF it happens ten or twelve years down the line it will be another debacle like the inshops in the Kingsway centre. Do you truly believe that Debenhams will bring new tenants flocking to fill the empty,dilapidated shops in,for instance,Commercial Street? Do you really believe that Debenhams will suddenly rid the city centre of our little chav darlings& the beggars & the chuggers?Do you relly believe that Debenhams will encourage you to bring your families into the city centre on a Friday night for a civilised experience?[/p][/quote]Well said mate.[/p][/quote]I'll second that.....!![/p][/quote]Everyone knows Debenhams will not solve all the problems but you have to start somewhere. Its easy to knock it - why don't you put forward some alternative ideas ?[/p][/quote]hey Naked -its not our perogative to supply what is needed,we can only comment on whats in front of us. Its the City Councils job to provide-and on their recent performances they dont have a lot going for them. Just to repeat myself-Debenhams and Friars Walk will not be the answer to Newports malaise.Maybe the Argus can archive all of this and we can view it in ten years time-if I' and others are wrong I will gladly hold my hands up BUT I doubt it very much. merlin the silure
  • Score: -10

8:51pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Dolieboy says...

lowandhardandintheco
rner
wrote:
Like the editorial says, let's be positive about this, the city has stagnated for far too long.
I'm doing my bit by using the market more often and while I'm in the centre I'm always surprised by the numbers in the city considering so many shops have closed. Let's hope the new development provides a stimulus for some big names to return.
Probably going to or coming from the dole and/or charity shops, poundland and Iceland.
[quote][p][bold]lowandhardandintheco rner[/bold] wrote: Like the editorial says, let's be positive about this, the city has stagnated for far too long. I'm doing my bit by using the market more often and while I'm in the centre I'm always surprised by the numbers in the city considering so many shops have closed. Let's hope the new development provides a stimulus for some big names to return.[/p][/quote]Probably going to or coming from the dole and/or charity shops, poundland and Iceland. Dolieboy
  • Score: -13

8:51pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Adrian Williams says...

In summary then, Merlin's solution would have been to have kept John Frost Square and a disused car park and do nothing. Genius plan.
In summary then, Merlin's solution would have been to have kept John Frost Square and a disused car park and do nothing. Genius plan. Adrian Williams
  • Score: 13

8:57pm Mon 13 Jan 14

merlin the silure says...

just to expand on my earlier post.All you"positives" -when the mighty Debenhams' opens(if it does) -will you then run the gauntlet and be prepared to take the wife,kids & grandmother into Newport on a Friday night to eat at Nandos or something similar and be totally comfortable? eerr I think not.-you will never rid Newport of what it is synonymus with,its far too late for that.
just to expand on my earlier post.All you"positives" -when the mighty Debenhams' opens(if it does) -will you then run the gauntlet and be prepared to take the wife,kids & grandmother into Newport on a Friday night to eat at Nandos or something similar and be totally comfortable? eerr I think not.-you will never rid Newport of what it is synonymus with,its far too late for that. merlin the silure
  • Score: -15

9:04pm Mon 13 Jan 14

merlin the silure says...

Adrian Williams wrote:
In summary then, Merlin's solution would have been to have kept John Frost Square and a disused car park and do nothing. Genius plan.
ahh-what a wit you are-excuse the misconception but try to keep up dear boy-what I'm actually saying is that the city fathers vision of our centre is once again flawed and this "development" is not the answer.Now it is not my brief to provide the answer but merely to comment on whats happening.Indeed if I had the answer I would probably be very rich indeed.I have lived in Newport for nearly all of my 63 years and I do know this city and what makes it tick and it is NOT Friars Walk.
[quote][p][bold]Adrian Williams[/bold] wrote: In summary then, Merlin's solution would have been to have kept John Frost Square and a disused car park and do nothing. Genius plan.[/p][/quote]ahh-what a wit you are-excuse the misconception but try to keep up dear boy-what I'm actually saying is that the city fathers vision of our centre is once again flawed and this "development" is not the answer.Now it is not my brief to provide the answer but merely to comment on whats happening.Indeed if I had the answer I would probably be very rich indeed.I have lived in Newport for nearly all of my 63 years and I do know this city and what makes it tick and it is NOT Friars Walk. merlin the silure
  • Score: -12

9:10pm Mon 13 Jan 14

merlin the silure says...

incidentally Adrian-you have not answered my post of 8.57-would you take the whole family from toddlers to granny into Newport,on a Friday night,for a family evening out once Nandos is up and running??
incidentally Adrian-you have not answered my post of 8.57-would you take the whole family from toddlers to granny into Newport,on a Friday night,for a family evening out once Nandos is up and running?? merlin the silure
  • Score: -11

9:14pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Vox Dei says...

merlin the silure wrote:
incidentally Adrian-you have not answered my post of 8.57-would you take the whole family from toddlers to granny into Newport,on a Friday night,for a family evening out once Nandos is up and running??
Of course! That is the whole point in diversifying the city centre!
[quote][p][bold]merlin the silure[/bold] wrote: incidentally Adrian-you have not answered my post of 8.57-would you take the whole family from toddlers to granny into Newport,on a Friday night,for a family evening out once Nandos is up and running??[/p][/quote]Of course! That is the whole point in diversifying the city centre! Vox Dei
  • Score: 7

9:31pm Mon 13 Jan 14

eezageeza says...

I love my town Newport always have and always will it's my home but I can't for the life of me see that building some new shops is going to revive it's fortunes,we already have enough empty buildings that need filling, new ones too such as those in the kingsway center that are still empty,better I think just to level the bit they have demolished make good with some grass and a park and spend the 90 million tidying up what we already have.
I love my town Newport always have and always will it's my home but I can't for the life of me see that building some new shops is going to revive it's fortunes,we already have enough empty buildings that need filling, new ones too such as those in the kingsway center that are still empty,better I think just to level the bit they have demolished make good with some grass and a park and spend the 90 million tidying up what we already have. eezageeza
  • Score: -1

9:44pm Mon 13 Jan 14

NakedDancer says...

merlin the silure wrote:
NakedDancer wrote:
St3v3y wrote:
p stani wrote:
merlin the silure wrote:
if all you happy clappers on here think that the great god that is Debenhams,Nandos and the others are the saviours of Newport city centre you are very much mistaken--even IF it happens ten or twelve years down the line it will be another debacle like the inshops in the Kingsway centre.
Do you truly believe that Debenhams will bring new tenants flocking to fill the empty,dilapidated shops in,for instance,Commercial Street? Do you really believe that Debenhams will suddenly rid the city centre of our little chav darlings& the beggars & the chuggers?Do you relly believe that Debenhams will encourage you to bring your families into the city centre on a Friday night for a civilised experience?
Well said mate.
I'll second that.....!!
Everyone knows Debenhams will not solve all the problems but you have to start somewhere. Its easy to knock it - why don't you put forward some alternative ideas ?
hey Naked -its not our perogative to supply what is needed,we can only comment on whats in front of us.
Its the City Councils job to provide-and on their recent performances they dont have a lot going for them.
Just to repeat myself-Debenhams and Friars Walk will not be the answer to Newports malaise.Maybe the Argus can archive all of this and we can view it in ten years time-if I' and others are wrong I will gladly hold my hands up BUT I doubt it very much.
You are entitled to have and express as many ideas as you like. No-one on this or any council (from any party) is an expert in regeneration and few have a business background. Their job is to employ experts and take advice. But just stating the towns a mess and you don't like the proposal doesn't add anything. For a start, the police need to reclaim the town centre as they seem to have abandoned it. The 'people' problem is overstated and some zero-tolerance policing like they have in Cwmbran would quickly sort out the few nutters that spoil it. The WAG need to put some jobs in Newport. The part WAG funded Conference Centre planned for Celtic Manor should be on the river bank to bring jobs and demand for hotels, restaurant, retail etc into town. Newport re-gen has loads of creative ideas, but they need WAG support.
[quote][p][bold]merlin the silure[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NakedDancer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St3v3y[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]p stani[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]merlin the silure[/bold] wrote: if all you happy clappers on here think that the great god that is Debenhams,Nandos and the others are the saviours of Newport city centre you are very much mistaken--even IF it happens ten or twelve years down the line it will be another debacle like the inshops in the Kingsway centre. Do you truly believe that Debenhams will bring new tenants flocking to fill the empty,dilapidated shops in,for instance,Commercial Street? Do you really believe that Debenhams will suddenly rid the city centre of our little chav darlings& the beggars & the chuggers?Do you relly believe that Debenhams will encourage you to bring your families into the city centre on a Friday night for a civilised experience?[/p][/quote]Well said mate.[/p][/quote]I'll second that.....!![/p][/quote]Everyone knows Debenhams will not solve all the problems but you have to start somewhere. Its easy to knock it - why don't you put forward some alternative ideas ?[/p][/quote]hey Naked -its not our perogative to supply what is needed,we can only comment on whats in front of us. Its the City Councils job to provide-and on their recent performances they dont have a lot going for them. Just to repeat myself-Debenhams and Friars Walk will not be the answer to Newports malaise.Maybe the Argus can archive all of this and we can view it in ten years time-if I' and others are wrong I will gladly hold my hands up BUT I doubt it very much.[/p][/quote]You are entitled to have and express as many ideas as you like. No-one on this or any council (from any party) is an expert in regeneration and few have a business background. Their job is to employ experts and take advice. But just stating the towns a mess and you don't like the proposal doesn't add anything. For a start, the police need to reclaim the town centre as they seem to have abandoned it. The 'people' problem is overstated and some zero-tolerance policing like they have in Cwmbran would quickly sort out the few nutters that spoil it. The WAG need to put some jobs in Newport. The part WAG funded Conference Centre planned for Celtic Manor should be on the river bank to bring jobs and demand for hotels, restaurant, retail etc into town. Newport re-gen has loads of creative ideas, but they need WAG support. NakedDancer
  • Score: 6

10:39pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Adrian Williams says...

merlin the silure wrote:
incidentally Adrian-you have not answered my post of 8.57-would you take the whole family from toddlers to granny into Newport,on a Friday night,for a family evening out once Nandos is up and running??
Yes I will - having a greater choice of family restaurants to take my wife and kids to is one of the things I'm looking forward to. You're more than welcome to join us
[quote][p][bold]merlin the silure[/bold] wrote: incidentally Adrian-you have not answered my post of 8.57-would you take the whole family from toddlers to granny into Newport,on a Friday night,for a family evening out once Nandos is up and running??[/p][/quote]Yes I will - having a greater choice of family restaurants to take my wife and kids to is one of the things I'm looking forward to. You're more than welcome to join us Adrian Williams
  • Score: 11

11:33pm Mon 13 Jan 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

Newport re-gen and good ideas? Hmmm... having young people programming drones? Are you freaking kidding me?
Newport re-gen and good ideas? Hmmm... having young people programming drones? Are you freaking kidding me? GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: -11

12:05am Tue 14 Jan 14

Thomas O'Malley says...

GardenVarietyMushroo
m
wrote:
Newport re-gen and good ideas? Hmmm... having young people programming drones? Are you freaking kidding me?
One of the fastest growing technologies.
Here's an article on the drones used in Warehousing by Amazon.
http://www.voanews.c
om/content/drones-al
ready-work-in-amazon
s-warehouses/1807332
.html
[quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: Newport re-gen and good ideas? Hmmm... having young people programming drones? Are you freaking kidding me?[/p][/quote]One of the fastest growing technologies. Here's an article on the drones used in Warehousing by Amazon. http://www.voanews.c om/content/drones-al ready-work-in-amazon s-warehouses/1807332 .html Thomas O'Malley
  • Score: 0

12:07am Tue 14 Jan 14

Spinflight says...

"No-one on this or any council (from any party) is an expert in regeneration and few have a business background."

Unfortunately true of the vast majority of professional politicians. Never had a proper job, never mind a relevant one.

I'm sure they enjoy the lifestyle though...

www.ukipnewport.com
"No-one on this or any council (from any party) is an expert in regeneration and few have a business background." Unfortunately true of the vast majority of professional politicians. Never had a proper job, never mind a relevant one. I'm sure they enjoy the lifestyle though... www.ukipnewport.com Spinflight
  • Score: -8

2:08am Tue 14 Jan 14

PaulHalliday says...

Spinflight wrote:
"No-one on this or any council (from any party) is an expert in regeneration and few have a business background.And I’m sure your comment is completely non-political!. Regeneration in Newport is happening. Admiral's investment is a prime example that there are councillors in Newport who know what they are doing and can make a difference. Even Bob Bright (Labour) recognised the work Ed Townsend (Liberal Democrat) did in persuading Admiral to relocate to the centre of the city.
[quote][p][bold]Spinflight[/bold] wrote: "No-one on this or any council (from any party) is an expert in regeneration and few have a business background.And I’m sure your comment is completely non-political!. Regeneration in Newport is happening. Admiral's investment is a prime example that there are councillors in Newport who know what they are doing and can make a difference. Even Bob Bright (Labour) recognised the work Ed Townsend (Liberal Democrat) did in persuading Admiral to relocate to the centre of the city. PaulHalliday
  • Score: 7

2:11am Tue 14 Jan 14

PaulHalliday says...

Spinflight wrote:
"No-one on this or any council (from any party) is an expert in regeneration and few have a business background."

Unfortunately true of the vast majority of professional politicians. Never had a proper job, never mind a relevant one.

I'm sure they enjoy the lifestyle though...

www.ukipnewport.com
And I’m sure your comment is completely non-political!. Regeneration in Newport is happening. Admiral's investment is a prime example that there are councillors in Newport who know what they are doing and can make a difference. Even Bob Bright (Labour) recognised the work Ed Townsend (Liberal Democrat) did in persuading Admiral to relocate to the centre of the city.
[quote][p][bold]Spinflight[/bold] wrote: "No-one on this or any council (from any party) is an expert in regeneration and few have a business background." Unfortunately true of the vast majority of professional politicians. Never had a proper job, never mind a relevant one. I'm sure they enjoy the lifestyle though... www.ukipnewport.com[/p][/quote]And I’m sure your comment is completely non-political!. Regeneration in Newport is happening. Admiral's investment is a prime example that there are councillors in Newport who know what they are doing and can make a difference. Even Bob Bright (Labour) recognised the work Ed Townsend (Liberal Democrat) did in persuading Admiral to relocate to the centre of the city. PaulHalliday
  • Score: 3

10:11am Tue 14 Jan 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

Thomas O'Malley wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo

m
wrote:
Newport re-gen and good ideas? Hmmm... having young people programming drones? Are you freaking kidding me?
One of the fastest growing technologies.
Here's an article on the drones used in Warehousing by Amazon.
http://www.voanews.c

om/content/drones-al

ready-work-in-amazon

s-warehouses/1807332

.html
I'm well aware of that. And, if there were assurances that there wouldn't be any involvement in military applications, I'd support it. Given that we have a company like EADS on our doorstep though - I suspect that's not going to be the case.
[quote][p][bold]Thomas O'Malley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: Newport re-gen and good ideas? Hmmm... having young people programming drones? Are you freaking kidding me?[/p][/quote]One of the fastest growing technologies. Here's an article on the drones used in Warehousing by Amazon. http://www.voanews.c om/content/drones-al ready-work-in-amazon s-warehouses/1807332 .html[/p][/quote]I'm well aware of that. And, if there were assurances that there wouldn't be any involvement in military applications, I'd support it. Given that we have a company like EADS on our doorstep though - I suspect that's not going to be the case. GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: -3

12:05pm Tue 14 Jan 14

BassalegCountyFan says...

scraptheWAG wrote:
newport was not always the slum it is today it went down hill when the WAG was created.
Absolute nonsense scrapthewag. I'm proud to be from Newport, and it annoys me that people constantly want to run us down.

Instead of blaming the Welsh Assembly for everything look at the real problems.

Newport was one of many British cities across the length and breadth of the country that suffered under the thatcher government. In our case the main reason for the decline of the town centre was the gradual decline of Llanwern Steelworks in Newport, and the decline of industry in nearby Valleys towns, under the tory government in the 1980's. When the industries went, people had less money in their pockets, and hence were less able to go on spending splurges in town. Less money being spent by the public means less shops, which means more empty shop buildings.

We need a socialist government in Westminster who will address the issues facing the real Britain outside of the tories' wealthy south-east bubble
[quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: newport was not always the slum it is today it went down hill when the WAG was created.[/p][/quote]Absolute nonsense scrapthewag. I'm proud to be from Newport, and it annoys me that people constantly want to run us down. Instead of blaming the Welsh Assembly for everything look at the real problems. Newport was one of many British cities across the length and breadth of the country that suffered under the thatcher government. In our case the main reason for the decline of the town centre was the gradual decline of Llanwern Steelworks in Newport, and the decline of industry in nearby Valleys towns, under the tory government in the 1980's. When the industries went, people had less money in their pockets, and hence were less able to go on spending splurges in town. Less money being spent by the public means less shops, which means more empty shop buildings. We need a socialist government in Westminster who will address the issues facing the real Britain outside of the tories' wealthy south-east bubble BassalegCountyFan
  • Score: 3

12:32pm Tue 14 Jan 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

merlin the silure wrote:
if all you happy clappers on here think that the great god that is Debenhams,Nandos and the others are the saviours of Newport city centre you are very much mistaken--even IF it happens ten or twelve years down the line it will be another debacle like the inshops in the Kingsway centre.
Do you truly believe that Debenhams will bring new tenants flocking to fill the empty,dilapidated shops in,for instance,Commercial Street? Do you really believe that Debenhams will suddenly rid the city centre of our little chav darlings& the beggars & the chuggers?Do you relly believe that Debenhams will encourage you to bring your families into the city centre on a Friday night for a civilised experience?
Well you have to start somewhere.
Look at Bute St in Cardiff pre- Cardiff Bay.
Unless you improve an area, you won't get rid of the beggars and chuggers.
The both go hand in hand.
I am of the impression that the negative commentators on here just don't want Newport to improve.
[quote][p][bold]merlin the silure[/bold] wrote: if all you happy clappers on here think that the great god that is Debenhams,Nandos and the others are the saviours of Newport city centre you are very much mistaken--even IF it happens ten or twelve years down the line it will be another debacle like the inshops in the Kingsway centre. Do you truly believe that Debenhams will bring new tenants flocking to fill the empty,dilapidated shops in,for instance,Commercial Street? Do you really believe that Debenhams will suddenly rid the city centre of our little chav darlings& the beggars & the chuggers?Do you relly believe that Debenhams will encourage you to bring your families into the city centre on a Friday night for a civilised experience?[/p][/quote]Well you have to start somewhere. Look at Bute St in Cardiff pre- Cardiff Bay. Unless you improve an area, you won't get rid of the beggars and chuggers. The both go hand in hand. I am of the impression that the negative commentators on here just don't want Newport to improve. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: 12

12:50pm Tue 14 Jan 14

russ angel says...

Move the library and museum to the Westgate,put the cinema in the library building and use the Kingsway for Debenhams.Isn't the whole ground floor empty?,they can have the lot.The old bus station just landscape the lot save all that money.
Move the library and museum to the Westgate,put the cinema in the library building and use the Kingsway for Debenhams.Isn't the whole ground floor empty?,they can have the lot.The old bus station just landscape the lot save all that money. russ angel
  • Score: -8

1:06pm Tue 14 Jan 14

heresphil says...

I don't think anyone can ever realistically pretend that Friars Walk will transform the city centre on its own but it's a massive step.

What we need are the other pieces of the jigsaw to come together. One is the city centre task force's proposals to regenerate the rest of the city centre by encouraging new uses for the empty buildings. Another is the new conference centre which will encourage local business. Another is the NATO summit, if its potential is handled properly (unlike with the Ryder Cup where there was ongoing complancency that it would transform the city on its own) The trick is to integrate all of these events to create a momentum for Newport that is greater than the sum of its parts.

The most imperative issue, as I have said before, is to get the basics right in the city centre, for the council and police to clean up the environment and enforce zero tolerance for begging, street drinking and other ASBO behaviour. Once this confidence is restored everything else will follow.

Children of the eighties might remember when cities like Liverpool and Glasgow had notorious reputations for dereliction, violence and crime and were best avoided. No-one can pretend that all their problems have gone away but their city centres have been restored and have bought back visitors and pride. If handled correctly (and it still is an 'if'), Newport can achieve the same.
I don't think anyone can ever realistically pretend that Friars Walk will transform the city centre on its own but it's a massive step. What we need are the other pieces of the jigsaw to come together. One is the city centre task force's proposals to regenerate the rest of the city centre by encouraging new uses for the empty buildings. Another is the new conference centre which will encourage local business. Another is the NATO summit, if its potential is handled properly (unlike with the Ryder Cup where there was ongoing complancency that it would transform the city on its own) The trick is to integrate all of these events to create a momentum for Newport that is greater than the sum of its parts. The most imperative issue, as I have said before, is to get the basics right in the city centre, for the council and police to clean up the environment and enforce zero tolerance for begging, street drinking and other ASBO behaviour. Once this confidence is restored everything else will follow. Children of the eighties might remember when cities like Liverpool and Glasgow had notorious reputations for dereliction, violence and crime and were best avoided. No-one can pretend that all their problems have gone away but their city centres have been restored and have bought back visitors and pride. If handled correctly (and it still is an 'if'), Newport can achieve the same. heresphil
  • Score: 17

2:22pm Tue 14 Jan 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

heresphil wrote:
I don't think anyone can ever realistically pretend that Friars Walk will transform the city centre on its own but it's a massive step.

What we need are the other pieces of the jigsaw to come together. One is the city centre task force's proposals to regenerate the rest of the city centre by encouraging new uses for the empty buildings. Another is the new conference centre which will encourage local business. Another is the NATO summit, if its potential is handled properly (unlike with the Ryder Cup where there was ongoing complancency that it would transform the city on its own) The trick is to integrate all of these events to create a momentum for Newport that is greater than the sum of its parts.

The most imperative issue, as I have said before, is to get the basics right in the city centre, for the council and police to clean up the environment and enforce zero tolerance for begging, street drinking and other ASBO behaviour. Once this confidence is restored everything else will follow.

Children of the eighties might remember when cities like Liverpool and Glasgow had notorious reputations for dereliction, violence and crime and were best avoided. No-one can pretend that all their problems have gone away but their city centres have been restored and have bought back visitors and pride. If handled correctly (and it still is an 'if'), Newport can achieve the same.
You should stand for the Council.
Very good post with a common sense approach.
Well done.
[quote][p][bold]heresphil[/bold] wrote: I don't think anyone can ever realistically pretend that Friars Walk will transform the city centre on its own but it's a massive step. What we need are the other pieces of the jigsaw to come together. One is the city centre task force's proposals to regenerate the rest of the city centre by encouraging new uses for the empty buildings. Another is the new conference centre which will encourage local business. Another is the NATO summit, if its potential is handled properly (unlike with the Ryder Cup where there was ongoing complancency that it would transform the city on its own) The trick is to integrate all of these events to create a momentum for Newport that is greater than the sum of its parts. The most imperative issue, as I have said before, is to get the basics right in the city centre, for the council and police to clean up the environment and enforce zero tolerance for begging, street drinking and other ASBO behaviour. Once this confidence is restored everything else will follow. Children of the eighties might remember when cities like Liverpool and Glasgow had notorious reputations for dereliction, violence and crime and were best avoided. No-one can pretend that all their problems have gone away but their city centres have been restored and have bought back visitors and pride. If handled correctly (and it still is an 'if'), Newport can achieve the same.[/p][/quote]You should stand for the Council. Very good post with a common sense approach. Well done. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: 4

3:57pm Tue 14 Jan 14

heresphil says...

Cymru Am Beth wrote:
heresphil wrote: I don't think anyone can ever realistically pretend that Friars Walk will transform the city centre on its own but it's a massive step. What we need are the other pieces of the jigsaw to come together. One is the city centre task force's proposals to regenerate the rest of the city centre by encouraging new uses for the empty buildings. Another is the new conference centre which will encourage local business. Another is the NATO summit, if its potential is handled properly (unlike with the Ryder Cup where there was ongoing complancency that it would transform the city on its own) The trick is to integrate all of these events to create a momentum for Newport that is greater than the sum of its parts. The most imperative issue, as I have said before, is to get the basics right in the city centre, for the council and police to clean up the environment and enforce zero tolerance for begging, street drinking and other ASBO behaviour. Once this confidence is restored everything else will follow. Children of the eighties might remember when cities like Liverpool and Glasgow had notorious reputations for dereliction, violence and crime and were best avoided. No-one can pretend that all their problems have gone away but their city centres have been restored and have bought back visitors and pride. If handled correctly (and it still is an 'if'), Newport can achieve the same.
You should stand for the Council. Very good post with a common sense approach. Well done.
Thanks for the offer but I value my sanity too much :-)
[quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]heresphil[/bold] wrote: I don't think anyone can ever realistically pretend that Friars Walk will transform the city centre on its own but it's a massive step. What we need are the other pieces of the jigsaw to come together. One is the city centre task force's proposals to regenerate the rest of the city centre by encouraging new uses for the empty buildings. Another is the new conference centre which will encourage local business. Another is the NATO summit, if its potential is handled properly (unlike with the Ryder Cup where there was ongoing complancency that it would transform the city on its own) The trick is to integrate all of these events to create a momentum for Newport that is greater than the sum of its parts. The most imperative issue, as I have said before, is to get the basics right in the city centre, for the council and police to clean up the environment and enforce zero tolerance for begging, street drinking and other ASBO behaviour. Once this confidence is restored everything else will follow. Children of the eighties might remember when cities like Liverpool and Glasgow had notorious reputations for dereliction, violence and crime and were best avoided. No-one can pretend that all their problems have gone away but their city centres have been restored and have bought back visitors and pride. If handled correctly (and it still is an 'if'), Newport can achieve the same.[/p][/quote]You should stand for the Council. Very good post with a common sense approach. Well done.[/p][/quote]Thanks for the offer but I value my sanity too much :-) heresphil
  • Score: 4

5:02pm Tue 14 Jan 14

jaggededge says...

BassalegCountyFan wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
newport was not always the slum it is today it went down hill when the WAG was created.
Absolute nonsense scrapthewag. I'm proud to be from Newport, and it annoys me that people constantly want to run us down.

Instead of blaming the Welsh Assembly for everything look at the real problems.

Newport was one of many British cities across the length and breadth of the country that suffered under the thatcher government. In our case the main reason for the decline of the town centre was the gradual decline of Llanwern Steelworks in Newport, and the decline of industry in nearby Valleys towns, under the tory government in the 1980's. When the industries went, people had less money in their pockets, and hence were less able to go on spending splurges in town. Less money being spent by the public means less shops, which means more empty shop buildings.

We need a socialist government in Westminster who will address the issues facing the real Britain outside of the tories' wealthy south-east bubble
Jesus another labour government of course the last one did nothing wrong yeah
[quote][p][bold]BassalegCountyFan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: newport was not always the slum it is today it went down hill when the WAG was created.[/p][/quote]Absolute nonsense scrapthewag. I'm proud to be from Newport, and it annoys me that people constantly want to run us down. Instead of blaming the Welsh Assembly for everything look at the real problems. Newport was one of many British cities across the length and breadth of the country that suffered under the thatcher government. In our case the main reason for the decline of the town centre was the gradual decline of Llanwern Steelworks in Newport, and the decline of industry in nearby Valleys towns, under the tory government in the 1980's. When the industries went, people had less money in their pockets, and hence were less able to go on spending splurges in town. Less money being spent by the public means less shops, which means more empty shop buildings. We need a socialist government in Westminster who will address the issues facing the real Britain outside of the tories' wealthy south-east bubble[/p][/quote]Jesus another labour government of course the last one did nothing wrong yeah jaggededge
  • Score: -5

7:08pm Tue 14 Jan 14

merlin the silure says...

listen peepe-Newp has always had,and always will have a touch of a "frontier town" about it.Years and years ago it had a rep for violence and drunkenness-although it is probably only the last 15/20 or so that the centre has become somewhat of a no-go area for families on a night out.No government is responsible for this.Regardless of what others might think of my posts,I am a Newportonian through and through and would love to see the city thrive has Cardiff has done I cannot see it.Various councils have dropped Newp deeper and deeper into the mire with their ineptness and this current lot are no different.Cardiff didnt re-generate by building the St Davids or by gentrifying Bute Street alone-it was a concerted and planned approach across the city.I doubt very much wether our city fathers have the necessary vision for this.Lets be quite honest,when have our administrators ever got it right?It would seem that dear leader Dim and his cronies have put everything on the line in the hope that Debenhams/Nandos will be the saviour at the expense of all else.If this doesnt work(and I hope it does for this city) WHAT HAPPENS NEXT? I seem to remember that the In-Shops in the Kingsway centre as being touted as the thing to bring Newport to the fore-sorry it was'nt.
listen peepe-Newp has always had,and always will have a touch of a "frontier town" about it.Years and years ago it had a rep for violence and drunkenness-although it is probably only the last 15/20 or so that the centre has become somewhat of a no-go area for families on a night out.No government is responsible for this.Regardless of what others might think of my posts,I am a Newportonian through and through and would love to see the city thrive has Cardiff has done I cannot see it.Various councils have dropped Newp deeper and deeper into the mire with their ineptness and this current lot are no different.Cardiff didnt re-generate by building the St Davids or by gentrifying Bute Street alone-it was a concerted and planned approach across the city.I doubt very much wether our city fathers have the necessary vision for this.Lets be quite honest,when have our administrators ever got it right?It would seem that dear leader Dim and his cronies have put everything on the line in the hope that Debenhams/Nandos will be the saviour at the expense of all else.If this doesnt work(and I hope it does for this city) WHAT HAPPENS NEXT? I seem to remember that the In-Shops in the Kingsway centre as being touted as the thing to bring Newport to the fore-sorry it was'nt. merlin the silure
  • Score: -7

10:12am Wed 15 Jan 14

Vox Dei says...

In-Shops being touted as the thing to bring Newport to the fore? Are you really a Newportonian? Whoever said a bazaar of Mom 'n' Pop vaccuum-cleaner repair shops would "bring Newport to the fore"? It was simply a clone indoor market, never meant to be anything else.
In-Shops being touted as the thing to bring Newport to the fore? Are you really a Newportonian? Whoever said a bazaar of Mom 'n' Pop vaccuum-cleaner repair shops would "bring Newport to the fore"? It was simply a clone indoor market, never meant to be anything else. Vox Dei
  • Score: 2

11:14am Wed 15 Jan 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

Vox Dei wrote:
In-Shops being touted as the thing to bring Newport to the fore? Are you really a Newportonian? Whoever said a bazaar of Mom 'n' Pop vaccuum-cleaner repair shops would "bring Newport to the fore"? It was simply a clone indoor market, never meant to be anything else.
Absolutely.
When I used to go in there, the clientele resembled the occupants in the Star Wars Cafe.
I think that the plan for the City Centre is a little more enterprising than the 'In Shops'.
Not a good comparison in my opinion.
[quote][p][bold]Vox Dei[/bold] wrote: In-Shops being touted as the thing to bring Newport to the fore? Are you really a Newportonian? Whoever said a bazaar of Mom 'n' Pop vaccuum-cleaner repair shops would "bring Newport to the fore"? It was simply a clone indoor market, never meant to be anything else.[/p][/quote]Absolutely. When I used to go in there, the clientele resembled the occupants in the Star Wars Cafe. I think that the plan for the City Centre is a little more enterprising than the 'In Shops'. Not a good comparison in my opinion. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: 4

12:22pm Wed 15 Jan 14

SJR1989 says...

Once again, people with zero idea about regeneration chime in with their opinions, stating them as fact. I'm all for opinions but don't make out they're based on anything other than what you THINK might happen.

Once again Cwmbran is used as a stick to beat Newport with. As someone mentioned, it is an entirely different ownership context. Cwmbran only exists as succesfully as it does BECAUSE of Newport's demise. And it does so in a public realm that, in my opinion, is dated and depressing. If anything, the success of Cwmbram is a great precedent for proving that shopping centres in the shadow of Cardiff/Bristol can prosper.

Finally, the idea that Debenhams will not bring people/businesses/ot
her retail into the City. Of course it will! Why do you think developers absolutely have to secure flagship stores to make these complexes work? They promote investment from other retailers. That's why the current retail profile in Newport is so poor, because the flagship stores left in the first place (for cheaper rents elsewhere). Retail won't be the sole saviour for the City but it certainly can be a major driver for it's regeneration.
Once again, people with zero idea about regeneration chime in with their opinions, stating them as fact. I'm all for opinions but don't make out they're based on anything other than what you THINK might happen. Once again Cwmbran is used as a stick to beat Newport with. As someone mentioned, it is an entirely different ownership context. Cwmbran only exists as succesfully as it does BECAUSE of Newport's demise. And it does so in a public realm that, in my opinion, is dated and depressing. If anything, the success of Cwmbram is a great precedent for proving that shopping centres in the shadow of Cardiff/Bristol can prosper. Finally, the idea that Debenhams will not bring people/businesses/ot her retail into the City. Of course it will! Why do you think developers absolutely have to secure flagship stores to make these complexes work? They promote investment from other retailers. That's why the current retail profile in Newport is so poor, because the flagship stores left in the first place (for cheaper rents elsewhere). Retail won't be the sole saviour for the City but it certainly can be a major driver for it's regeneration. SJR1989
  • Score: 2

3:40pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Adrian Williams says...

Merlin - to say that Newport is a "no-go area at night for families" and has a "reputation for violence and drunkedness" is a massive exageration of Daily Mail proportions. If you are "Newport through and through" then you've got a funny way of showing it.
Merlin - to say that Newport is a "no-go area at night for families" and has a "reputation for violence and drunkedness" is a massive exageration of Daily Mail proportions. If you are "Newport through and through" then you've got a funny way of showing it. Adrian Williams
  • Score: -2

7:44pm Wed 15 Jan 14

scraptheWAG says...

Katie Re-Registered wrote:
The South Wales Argus must have quite a bit of confidence in the policies of Mr Cameron, Mr Osborne and our dearly beloved Coalition Government if it feels that the recession will soon be over regenerating Newport back into a thriving, prosperous city once more;)! Fact is, the economy of the whole of South Wales has been on the decline since the 1930s. Once the mineral wealth was exploited and heavy industry went abroad to places where hard-edged capitalists know they can more readily exploit majority labour to maximise minority profit it's been downhill since then. I'm all for optimism, but at the same time it's advisable to keep one's feet on the ground. Until national and global trends pick up - even in a best case scenario - don't expect anything in excess of modest improvements. Perhaps a more authentically positive approach would be to redefine what constitutes a great city - its art, architecture, culture and the worthwhile character of its people - as opposed to how many shiny businesses and shops that it has.
are you nuts wales is ruled by labour (you know the WAG) .
[quote][p][bold]Katie Re-Registered[/bold] wrote: The South Wales Argus must have quite a bit of confidence in the policies of Mr Cameron, Mr Osborne and our dearly beloved Coalition Government if it feels that the recession will soon be over regenerating Newport back into a thriving, prosperous city once more;)! Fact is, the economy of the whole of South Wales has been on the decline since the 1930s. Once the mineral wealth was exploited and heavy industry went abroad to places where hard-edged capitalists know they can more readily exploit majority labour to maximise minority profit it's been downhill since then. I'm all for optimism, but at the same time it's advisable to keep one's feet on the ground. Until national and global trends pick up - even in a best case scenario - don't expect anything in excess of modest improvements. Perhaps a more authentically positive approach would be to redefine what constitutes a great city - its art, architecture, culture and the worthwhile character of its people - as opposed to how many shiny businesses and shops that it has.[/p][/quote]are you nuts wales is ruled by labour (you know the WAG) . scraptheWAG
  • Score: 2

7:45pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Vox Dei says...

SJR1989, couldn't have put it better myself! Bravo/Brava!
SJR1989, couldn't have put it better myself! Bravo/Brava! Vox Dei
  • Score: 0

9:00pm Wed 15 Jan 14

scraptheWAG says...

BassalegCountyFan wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
newport was not always the slum it is today it went down hill when the WAG was created.
Absolute nonsense scrapthewag. I'm proud to be from Newport, and it annoys me that people constantly want to run us down.

Instead of blaming the Welsh Assembly for everything look at the real problems.

Newport was one of many British cities across the length and breadth of the country that suffered under the thatcher government. In our case the main reason for the decline of the town centre was the gradual decline of Llanwern Steelworks in Newport, and the decline of industry in nearby Valleys towns, under the tory government in the 1980's. When the industries went, people had less money in their pockets, and hence were less able to go on spending splurges in town. Less money being spent by the public means less shops, which means more empty shop buildings.

We need a socialist government in Westminster who will address the issues facing the real Britain outside of the tories' wealthy south-east bubble
you are very confused newport in 1997 9pre labour ) was a average town it was under labour that it was reduced to a shanty town
[quote][p][bold]BassalegCountyFan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: newport was not always the slum it is today it went down hill when the WAG was created.[/p][/quote]Absolute nonsense scrapthewag. I'm proud to be from Newport, and it annoys me that people constantly want to run us down. Instead of blaming the Welsh Assembly for everything look at the real problems. Newport was one of many British cities across the length and breadth of the country that suffered under the thatcher government. In our case the main reason for the decline of the town centre was the gradual decline of Llanwern Steelworks in Newport, and the decline of industry in nearby Valleys towns, under the tory government in the 1980's. When the industries went, people had less money in their pockets, and hence were less able to go on spending splurges in town. Less money being spent by the public means less shops, which means more empty shop buildings. We need a socialist government in Westminster who will address the issues facing the real Britain outside of the tories' wealthy south-east bubble[/p][/quote]you are very confused newport in 1997 9pre labour ) was a average town it was under labour that it was reduced to a shanty town scraptheWAG
  • Score: -2

9:07pm Wed 15 Jan 14

scraptheWAG says...

Cymru Am Beth wrote:
merlin the silure wrote:
if all you happy clappers on here think that the great god that is Debenhams,Nandos and the others are the saviours of Newport city centre you are very much mistaken--even IF it happens ten or twelve years down the line it will be another debacle like the inshops in the Kingsway centre.
Do you truly believe that Debenhams will bring new tenants flocking to fill the empty,dilapidated shops in,for instance,Commercial Street? Do you really believe that Debenhams will suddenly rid the city centre of our little chav darlings& the beggars & the chuggers?Do you relly believe that Debenhams will encourage you to bring your families into the city centre on a Friday night for a civilised experience?
Well you have to start somewhere.
Look at Bute St in Cardiff pre- Cardiff Bay.
Unless you improve an area, you won't get rid of the beggars and chuggers.
The both go hand in hand.
I am of the impression that the negative commentators on here just don't want Newport to improve.
cardiff has had million upon millions of eu grant money spent on it unfortunately newport will not be that lucky
[quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]merlin the silure[/bold] wrote: if all you happy clappers on here think that the great god that is Debenhams,Nandos and the others are the saviours of Newport city centre you are very much mistaken--even IF it happens ten or twelve years down the line it will be another debacle like the inshops in the Kingsway centre. Do you truly believe that Debenhams will bring new tenants flocking to fill the empty,dilapidated shops in,for instance,Commercial Street? Do you really believe that Debenhams will suddenly rid the city centre of our little chav darlings& the beggars & the chuggers?Do you relly believe that Debenhams will encourage you to bring your families into the city centre on a Friday night for a civilised experience?[/p][/quote]Well you have to start somewhere. Look at Bute St in Cardiff pre- Cardiff Bay. Unless you improve an area, you won't get rid of the beggars and chuggers. The both go hand in hand. I am of the impression that the negative commentators on here just don't want Newport to improve.[/p][/quote]cardiff has had million upon millions of eu grant money spent on it unfortunately newport will not be that lucky scraptheWAG
  • Score: 3

6:03am Thu 16 Jan 14

scraptheWAG says...

NakedDancer wrote:
merlin the silure wrote:
NakedDancer wrote:
St3v3y wrote:
p stani wrote:
merlin the silure wrote:
if all you happy clappers on here think that the great god that is Debenhams,Nandos and the others are the saviours of Newport city centre you are very much mistaken--even IF it happens ten or twelve years down the line it will be another debacle like the inshops in the Kingsway centre.
Do you truly believe that Debenhams will bring new tenants flocking to fill the empty,dilapidated shops in,for instance,Commercial Street? Do you really believe that Debenhams will suddenly rid the city centre of our little chav darlings& the beggars & the chuggers?Do you relly believe that Debenhams will encourage you to bring your families into the city centre on a Friday night for a civilised experience?
Well said mate.
I'll second that.....!!
Everyone knows Debenhams will not solve all the problems but you have to start somewhere. Its easy to knock it - why don't you put forward some alternative ideas ?
hey Naked -its not our perogative to supply what is needed,we can only comment on whats in front of us.
Its the City Councils job to provide-and on their recent performances they dont have a lot going for them.
Just to repeat myself-Debenhams and Friars Walk will not be the answer to Newports malaise.Maybe the Argus can archive all of this and we can view it in ten years time-if I' and others are wrong I will gladly hold my hands up BUT I doubt it very much.
You are entitled to have and express as many ideas as you like. No-one on this or any council (from any party) is an expert in regeneration and few have a business background. Their job is to employ experts and take advice. But just stating the towns a mess and you don't like the proposal doesn't add anything. For a start, the police need to reclaim the town centre as they seem to have abandoned it. The 'people' problem is overstated and some zero-tolerance policing like they have in Cwmbran would quickly sort out the few nutters that spoil it. The WAG need to put some jobs in Newport. The part WAG funded Conference Centre planned for Celtic Manor should be on the river bank to bring jobs and demand for hotels, restaurant, retail etc into town. Newport re-gen has loads of creative ideas, but they need WAG support.
WAG support oh please as long as the benefit scroungers vote labour they will carry on as normal
[quote][p][bold]NakedDancer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]merlin the silure[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NakedDancer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St3v3y[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]p stani[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]merlin the silure[/bold] wrote: if all you happy clappers on here think that the great god that is Debenhams,Nandos and the others are the saviours of Newport city centre you are very much mistaken--even IF it happens ten or twelve years down the line it will be another debacle like the inshops in the Kingsway centre. Do you truly believe that Debenhams will bring new tenants flocking to fill the empty,dilapidated shops in,for instance,Commercial Street? Do you really believe that Debenhams will suddenly rid the city centre of our little chav darlings& the beggars & the chuggers?Do you relly believe that Debenhams will encourage you to bring your families into the city centre on a Friday night for a civilised experience?[/p][/quote]Well said mate.[/p][/quote]I'll second that.....!![/p][/quote]Everyone knows Debenhams will not solve all the problems but you have to start somewhere. Its easy to knock it - why don't you put forward some alternative ideas ?[/p][/quote]hey Naked -its not our perogative to supply what is needed,we can only comment on whats in front of us. Its the City Councils job to provide-and on their recent performances they dont have a lot going for them. Just to repeat myself-Debenhams and Friars Walk will not be the answer to Newports malaise.Maybe the Argus can archive all of this and we can view it in ten years time-if I' and others are wrong I will gladly hold my hands up BUT I doubt it very much.[/p][/quote]You are entitled to have and express as many ideas as you like. No-one on this or any council (from any party) is an expert in regeneration and few have a business background. Their job is to employ experts and take advice. But just stating the towns a mess and you don't like the proposal doesn't add anything. For a start, the police need to reclaim the town centre as they seem to have abandoned it. The 'people' problem is overstated and some zero-tolerance policing like they have in Cwmbran would quickly sort out the few nutters that spoil it. The WAG need to put some jobs in Newport. The part WAG funded Conference Centre planned for Celtic Manor should be on the river bank to bring jobs and demand for hotels, restaurant, retail etc into town. Newport re-gen has loads of creative ideas, but they need WAG support.[/p][/quote]WAG support oh please as long as the benefit scroungers vote labour they will carry on as normal scraptheWAG
  • Score: 0

9:45am Thu 16 Jan 14

russ angel says...

Vox Dei wrote:
In-Shops being touted as the thing to bring Newport to the fore? Are you really a Newportonian? Whoever said a bazaar of Mom 'n' Pop vaccuum-cleaner repair shops would "bring Newport to the fore"? It was simply a clone indoor market, never meant to be anything else.
It isn't the in-shops any more ,it is the Kingsway Centre.Yes I am a Newportonian and I don't believe wasting an opportunity to fill an already existing shopping centre is a bad idea.It is supposed to attract business and who cares if it was the in-shops, it has already been refurbished and is fully capable of looking like a smart decent alternative with very little cash needed.It has the space and is completely practical.Why build another and spend 90m?The cinema would fit perfectly into the old library and at least that part of town would be used to it's potential.The square could be then improved as we now have the chance to completely redesign it.
[quote][p][bold]Vox Dei[/bold] wrote: In-Shops being touted as the thing to bring Newport to the fore? Are you really a Newportonian? Whoever said a bazaar of Mom 'n' Pop vaccuum-cleaner repair shops would "bring Newport to the fore"? It was simply a clone indoor market, never meant to be anything else.[/p][/quote]It isn't the in-shops any more ,it is the Kingsway Centre.Yes I am a Newportonian and I don't believe wasting an opportunity to fill an already existing shopping centre is a bad idea.It is supposed to attract business and who cares if it was the in-shops, it has already been refurbished and is fully capable of looking like a smart decent alternative with very little cash needed.It has the space and is completely practical.Why build another and spend 90m?The cinema would fit perfectly into the old library and at least that part of town would be used to it's potential.The square could be then improved as we now have the chance to completely redesign it. russ angel
  • Score: -5

9:49am Thu 16 Jan 14

Thomas O'Malley says...

scraptheWAG wrote:
NakedDancer wrote:
merlin the silure wrote:
NakedDancer wrote:
St3v3y wrote:
p stani wrote:
merlin the silure wrote: if all you happy clappers on here think that the great god that is Debenhams,Nandos and the others are the saviours of Newport city centre you are very much mistaken--even IF it happens ten or twelve years down the line it will be another debacle like the inshops in the Kingsway centre. Do you truly believe that Debenhams will bring new tenants flocking to fill the empty,dilapidated shops in,for instance,Commercial Street? Do you really believe that Debenhams will suddenly rid the city centre of our little chav darlings& the beggars & the chuggers?Do you relly believe that Debenhams will encourage you to bring your families into the city centre on a Friday night for a civilised experience?
Well said mate.
I'll second that.....!!
Everyone knows Debenhams will not solve all the problems but you have to start somewhere. Its easy to knock it - why don't you put forward some alternative ideas ?
hey Naked -its not our perogative to supply what is needed,we can only comment on whats in front of us. Its the City Councils job to provide-and on their recent performances they dont have a lot going for them. Just to repeat myself-Debenhams and Friars Walk will not be the answer to Newports malaise.Maybe the Argus can archive all of this and we can view it in ten years time-if I' and others are wrong I will gladly hold my hands up BUT I doubt it very much.
You are entitled to have and express as many ideas as you like. No-one on this or any council (from any party) is an expert in regeneration and few have a business background. Their job is to employ experts and take advice. But just stating the towns a mess and you don't like the proposal doesn't add anything. For a start, the police need to reclaim the town centre as they seem to have abandoned it. The 'people' problem is overstated and some zero-tolerance policing like they have in Cwmbran would quickly sort out the few nutters that spoil it. The WAG need to put some jobs in Newport. The part WAG funded Conference Centre planned for Celtic Manor should be on the river bank to bring jobs and demand for hotels, restaurant, retail etc into town. Newport re-gen has loads of creative ideas, but they need WAG support.
WAG support oh please as long as the benefit scroungers vote labour they will carry on as normal
Somewhat silly to suggest Labour AMs are elected by benefits scroungers but I do agree that Newport being 2 safe Labour seats in the WAG has massively worked against the city. Since Butler and Griffiths were elected in 1999 the WAG has invested nothing in Newport simply because they don't need to. In any election Constituencies with marginal seats always get most attention and most investment from the people that hold the purse strings. I would say though that in national and WAG elections the other parties dont offer good candidates as they know Labour will win anyway. Often the non-labour candidates dont live in the constituency and are only running to gain experience.
[quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NakedDancer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]merlin the silure[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NakedDancer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St3v3y[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]p stani[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]merlin the silure[/bold] wrote: if all you happy clappers on here think that the great god that is Debenhams,Nandos and the others are the saviours of Newport city centre you are very much mistaken--even IF it happens ten or twelve years down the line it will be another debacle like the inshops in the Kingsway centre. Do you truly believe that Debenhams will bring new tenants flocking to fill the empty,dilapidated shops in,for instance,Commercial Street? Do you really believe that Debenhams will suddenly rid the city centre of our little chav darlings& the beggars & the chuggers?Do you relly believe that Debenhams will encourage you to bring your families into the city centre on a Friday night for a civilised experience?[/p][/quote]Well said mate.[/p][/quote]I'll second that.....!![/p][/quote]Everyone knows Debenhams will not solve all the problems but you have to start somewhere. Its easy to knock it - why don't you put forward some alternative ideas ?[/p][/quote]hey Naked -its not our perogative to supply what is needed,we can only comment on whats in front of us. Its the City Councils job to provide-and on their recent performances they dont have a lot going for them. Just to repeat myself-Debenhams and Friars Walk will not be the answer to Newports malaise.Maybe the Argus can archive all of this and we can view it in ten years time-if I' and others are wrong I will gladly hold my hands up BUT I doubt it very much.[/p][/quote]You are entitled to have and express as many ideas as you like. No-one on this or any council (from any party) is an expert in regeneration and few have a business background. Their job is to employ experts and take advice. But just stating the towns a mess and you don't like the proposal doesn't add anything. For a start, the police need to reclaim the town centre as they seem to have abandoned it. The 'people' problem is overstated and some zero-tolerance policing like they have in Cwmbran would quickly sort out the few nutters that spoil it. The WAG need to put some jobs in Newport. The part WAG funded Conference Centre planned for Celtic Manor should be on the river bank to bring jobs and demand for hotels, restaurant, retail etc into town. Newport re-gen has loads of creative ideas, but they need WAG support.[/p][/quote]WAG support oh please as long as the benefit scroungers vote labour they will carry on as normal[/p][/quote]Somewhat silly to suggest Labour AMs are elected by benefits scroungers but I do agree that Newport being 2 safe Labour seats in the WAG has massively worked against the city. Since Butler and Griffiths were elected in 1999 the WAG has invested nothing in Newport simply because they don't need to. In any election Constituencies with marginal seats always get most attention and most investment from the people that hold the purse strings. I would say though that in national and WAG elections the other parties dont offer good candidates as they know Labour will win anyway. Often the non-labour candidates dont live in the constituency and are only running to gain experience. Thomas O'Malley
  • Score: 2

10:01am Thu 16 Jan 14

Vox Dei says...

russ angel wrote:
Vox Dei wrote:
In-Shops being touted as the thing to bring Newport to the fore? Are you really a Newportonian? Whoever said a bazaar of Mom 'n' Pop vaccuum-cleaner repair shops would "bring Newport to the fore"? It was simply a clone indoor market, never meant to be anything else.
It isn't the in-shops any more ,it is the Kingsway Centre.Yes I am a Newportonian and I don't believe wasting an opportunity to fill an already existing shopping centre is a bad idea.It is supposed to attract business and who cares if it was the in-shops, it has already been refurbished and is fully capable of looking like a smart decent alternative with very little cash needed.It has the space and is completely practical.Why build another and spend 90m?The cinema would fit perfectly into the old library and at least that part of town would be used to it's potential.The square could be then improved as we now have the chance to completely redesign it.
I am afraid you have made the classic mistake I thought you may have earlier. The centre in question has ALWAYS been called the Kingsway Centre from the day it was built. In the latter days before the most recent refurbishment the upper floor had ordinary shops and the lower floor comprised the "In-Shops" which was like an indoor market of independent stalls.

The Kingsway Centre will attract clients as the area is regenerated due to Friars Walk being a catalyst. Retailers and shoppers are currently put off by the dereliction surrounding it. Your plan to force retailers into a centre they are not currently interested in and cram a cinema into a non-purpose built building would still not address what to do with the derelict John Frost Square/Capitol Car Park/Bus station area.

The fact is it all needs regeneration and once completed the area will be much more pleasant for all concerned.
[quote][p][bold]russ angel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Vox Dei[/bold] wrote: In-Shops being touted as the thing to bring Newport to the fore? Are you really a Newportonian? Whoever said a bazaar of Mom 'n' Pop vaccuum-cleaner repair shops would "bring Newport to the fore"? It was simply a clone indoor market, never meant to be anything else.[/p][/quote]It isn't the in-shops any more ,it is the Kingsway Centre.Yes I am a Newportonian and I don't believe wasting an opportunity to fill an already existing shopping centre is a bad idea.It is supposed to attract business and who cares if it was the in-shops, it has already been refurbished and is fully capable of looking like a smart decent alternative with very little cash needed.It has the space and is completely practical.Why build another and spend 90m?The cinema would fit perfectly into the old library and at least that part of town would be used to it's potential.The square could be then improved as we now have the chance to completely redesign it.[/p][/quote]I am afraid you have made the classic mistake I thought you may have earlier. The centre in question has ALWAYS been called the Kingsway Centre from the day it was built. In the latter days before the most recent refurbishment the upper floor had ordinary shops and the lower floor comprised the "In-Shops" which was like an indoor market of independent stalls. The Kingsway Centre will attract clients as the area is regenerated due to Friars Walk being a catalyst. Retailers and shoppers are currently put off by the dereliction surrounding it. Your plan to force retailers into a centre they are not currently interested in and cram a cinema into a non-purpose built building would still not address what to do with the derelict John Frost Square/Capitol Car Park/Bus station area. The fact is it all needs regeneration and once completed the area will be much more pleasant for all concerned. Vox Dei
  • Score: 4

10:27am Thu 16 Jan 14

russ angel says...

Vox Dei wrote:
russ angel wrote:
Vox Dei wrote:
In-Shops being touted as the thing to bring Newport to the fore? Are you really a Newportonian? Whoever said a bazaar of Mom 'n' Pop vaccuum-cleaner repair shops would "bring Newport to the fore"? It was simply a clone indoor market, never meant to be anything else.
It isn't the in-shops any more ,it is the Kingsway Centre.Yes I am a Newportonian and I don't believe wasting an opportunity to fill an already existing shopping centre is a bad idea.It is supposed to attract business and who cares if it was the in-shops, it has already been refurbished and is fully capable of looking like a smart decent alternative with very little cash needed.It has the space and is completely practical.Why build another and spend 90m?The cinema would fit perfectly into the old library and at least that part of town would be used to it's potential.The square could be then improved as we now have the chance to completely redesign it.
I am afraid you have made the classic mistake I thought you may have earlier. The centre in question has ALWAYS been called the Kingsway Centre from the day it was built. In the latter days before the most recent refurbishment the upper floor had ordinary shops and the lower floor comprised the "In-Shops" which was like an indoor market of independent stalls.

The Kingsway Centre will attract clients as the area is regenerated due to Friars Walk being a catalyst. Retailers and shoppers are currently put off by the dereliction surrounding it. Your plan to force retailers into a centre they are not currently interested in and cram a cinema into a non-purpose built building would still not address what to do with the derelict John Frost Square/Capitol Car Park/Bus station area.

The fact is it all needs regeneration and once completed the area will be much more pleasant for all concerned.
What's wrong with refurbishing an older building for a cinema?Buildings get refurbished and changed for a different purpose all the time.Carry on and spend the 90m then and let's watch it all fall flat on it's face.This is all too big for Newport's boots.The emperors new clothes,read it.
[quote][p][bold]Vox Dei[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]russ angel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Vox Dei[/bold] wrote: In-Shops being touted as the thing to bring Newport to the fore? Are you really a Newportonian? Whoever said a bazaar of Mom 'n' Pop vaccuum-cleaner repair shops would "bring Newport to the fore"? It was simply a clone indoor market, never meant to be anything else.[/p][/quote]It isn't the in-shops any more ,it is the Kingsway Centre.Yes I am a Newportonian and I don't believe wasting an opportunity to fill an already existing shopping centre is a bad idea.It is supposed to attract business and who cares if it was the in-shops, it has already been refurbished and is fully capable of looking like a smart decent alternative with very little cash needed.It has the space and is completely practical.Why build another and spend 90m?The cinema would fit perfectly into the old library and at least that part of town would be used to it's potential.The square could be then improved as we now have the chance to completely redesign it.[/p][/quote]I am afraid you have made the classic mistake I thought you may have earlier. The centre in question has ALWAYS been called the Kingsway Centre from the day it was built. In the latter days before the most recent refurbishment the upper floor had ordinary shops and the lower floor comprised the "In-Shops" which was like an indoor market of independent stalls. The Kingsway Centre will attract clients as the area is regenerated due to Friars Walk being a catalyst. Retailers and shoppers are currently put off by the dereliction surrounding it. Your plan to force retailers into a centre they are not currently interested in and cram a cinema into a non-purpose built building would still not address what to do with the derelict John Frost Square/Capitol Car Park/Bus station area. The fact is it all needs regeneration and once completed the area will be much more pleasant for all concerned.[/p][/quote]What's wrong with refurbishing an older building for a cinema?Buildings get refurbished and changed for a different purpose all the time.Carry on and spend the 90m then and let's watch it all fall flat on it's face.This is all too big for Newport's boots.The emperors new clothes,read it. russ angel
  • Score: -5

11:02am Thu 16 Jan 14

Vox Dei says...

You betray a fundamental misunderstanding here. The businesses decide where they want to invest, you can't make them do anything. If the businesses in question wanted to buy and refurbish a unit in the Kingsway Centre or the Museum/Library (which is not for sale incidentally) then that is entirely up to them. You cannot make them! However if you build something that they DO take an interest in than that is surely a good thing? We already have retailers signed up to return to the city centre as well as new restaurants with no current presence here. How is any of this "too big for Newport's boots"? Stop with the defeatism. God knows we need regeneration and it is finally happening, so stop trying to pretend it is unnecessary!
You betray a fundamental misunderstanding here. The businesses decide where they want to invest, you can't make them do anything. If the businesses in question wanted to buy and refurbish a unit in the Kingsway Centre or the Museum/Library (which is not for sale incidentally) then that is entirely up to them. You cannot make them! However if you build something that they DO take an interest in than that is surely a good thing? We already have retailers signed up to return to the city centre as well as new restaurants with no current presence here. How is any of this "too big for Newport's boots"? Stop with the defeatism. God knows we need regeneration and it is finally happening, so stop trying to pretend it is unnecessary! Vox Dei
  • Score: 3

11:50am Thu 16 Jan 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

Vox Dei wrote:
You betray a fundamental misunderstanding here. The businesses decide where they want to invest, you can't make them do anything. If the businesses in question wanted to buy and refurbish a unit in the Kingsway Centre or the Museum/Library (which is not for sale incidentally) then that is entirely up to them. You cannot make them! However if you build something that they DO take an interest in than that is surely a good thing? We already have retailers signed up to return to the city centre as well as new restaurants with no current presence here. How is any of this "too big for Newport's boots"? Stop with the defeatism. God knows we need regeneration and it is finally happening, so stop trying to pretend it is unnecessary!
Absolutely agree.
They couldn't make the S****y Centre any worse than it is.
Some good will come out of it, however small.
Starting from a position of zero, the only way is up.
We are not going to attract people to the area without some positivity.
Negative comments will just reinforce stereotypical views of the City.
I would agree that Newport is dreadful in its present state, but it is not helpful to constantly criticise what is being done in an attempt to improve it.
[quote][p][bold]Vox Dei[/bold] wrote: You betray a fundamental misunderstanding here. The businesses decide where they want to invest, you can't make them do anything. If the businesses in question wanted to buy and refurbish a unit in the Kingsway Centre or the Museum/Library (which is not for sale incidentally) then that is entirely up to them. You cannot make them! However if you build something that they DO take an interest in than that is surely a good thing? We already have retailers signed up to return to the city centre as well as new restaurants with no current presence here. How is any of this "too big for Newport's boots"? Stop with the defeatism. God knows we need regeneration and it is finally happening, so stop trying to pretend it is unnecessary![/p][/quote]Absolutely agree. They couldn't make the S****y Centre any worse than it is. Some good will come out of it, however small. Starting from a position of zero, the only way is up. We are not going to attract people to the area without some positivity. Negative comments will just reinforce stereotypical views of the City. I would agree that Newport is dreadful in its present state, but it is not helpful to constantly criticise what is being done in an attempt to improve it. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: 3

1:48pm Thu 16 Jan 14

NakedDancer says...

GardenVarietyMushroo
m
wrote:
Thomas O'Malley wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo m wrote: Newport re-gen and good ideas? Hmmm... having young people programming drones? Are you freaking kidding me?
One of the fastest growing technologies. Here's an article on the drones used in Warehousing by Amazon. http://www.voanews.c om/content/drones-al ready-work-in-amazon s-warehouses/1807332 .html
I'm well aware of that. And, if there were assurances that there wouldn't be any involvement in military applications, I'd support it. Given that we have a company like EADS on our doorstep though - I suspect that's not going to be the case.
The commercial market is already massive and growing daily - farming, railways, seach & rescue, warehousing, crowd safety etc.

The vast majority of military drone flying hours are surveillance, from hand-held devices up to small planes. I do understand there's a moral question re attack drones (UK Reaper used in Afghanistan) but missiles/bombs can only be fired by trained pilots. Yes the technology is only as good as the person who designed and built it but thats also true of manned aircraft.
[quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thomas O'Malley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: Newport re-gen and good ideas? Hmmm... having young people programming drones? Are you freaking kidding me?[/p][/quote]One of the fastest growing technologies. Here's an article on the drones used in Warehousing by Amazon. http://www.voanews.c om/content/drones-al ready-work-in-amazon s-warehouses/1807332 .html[/p][/quote]I'm well aware of that. And, if there were assurances that there wouldn't be any involvement in military applications, I'd support it. Given that we have a company like EADS on our doorstep though - I suspect that's not going to be the case.[/p][/quote]The commercial market is already massive and growing daily - farming, railways, seach & rescue, warehousing, crowd safety etc. The vast majority of military drone flying hours are surveillance, from hand-held devices up to small planes. I do understand there's a moral question re attack drones (UK Reaper used in Afghanistan) but missiles/bombs can only be fired by trained pilots. Yes the technology is only as good as the person who designed and built it but thats also true of manned aircraft. NakedDancer
  • Score: 1

7:23pm Thu 16 Jan 14

scraptheWAG says...

merlin the silure wrote:
listen peepe-Newp has always had,and always will have a touch of a "frontier town" about it.Years and years ago it had a rep for violence and drunkenness-although it is probably only the last 15/20 or so that the centre has become somewhat of a no-go area for families on a night out.No government is responsible for this.Regardless of what others might think of my posts,I am a Newportonian through and through and would love to see the city thrive has Cardiff has done I cannot see it.Various councils have dropped Newp deeper and deeper into the mire with their ineptness and this current lot are no different.Cardiff didnt re-generate by building the St Davids or by gentrifying Bute Street alone-it was a concerted and planned approach across the city.I doubt very much wether our city fathers have the necessary vision for this.Lets be quite honest,when have our administrators ever got it right?It would seem that dear leader Dim and his cronies have put everything on the line in the hope that Debenhams/Nandos will be the saviour at the expense of all else.If this doesnt work(and I hope it does for this city) WHAT HAPPENS NEXT? I seem to remember that the In-Shops in the Kingsway centre as being touted as the thing to bring Newport to the fore-sorry it was'nt.
not really cardiff was regenerated by spending million if not billion of EU grant money on it. It had no industry etc like bristol just a huge bloated public sector !
[quote][p][bold]merlin the silure[/bold] wrote: listen peepe-Newp has always had,and always will have a touch of a "frontier town" about it.Years and years ago it had a rep for violence and drunkenness-although it is probably only the last 15/20 or so that the centre has become somewhat of a no-go area for families on a night out.No government is responsible for this.Regardless of what others might think of my posts,I am a Newportonian through and through and would love to see the city thrive has Cardiff has done I cannot see it.Various councils have dropped Newp deeper and deeper into the mire with their ineptness and this current lot are no different.Cardiff didnt re-generate by building the St Davids or by gentrifying Bute Street alone-it was a concerted and planned approach across the city.I doubt very much wether our city fathers have the necessary vision for this.Lets be quite honest,when have our administrators ever got it right?It would seem that dear leader Dim and his cronies have put everything on the line in the hope that Debenhams/Nandos will be the saviour at the expense of all else.If this doesnt work(and I hope it does for this city) WHAT HAPPENS NEXT? I seem to remember that the In-Shops in the Kingsway centre as being touted as the thing to bring Newport to the fore-sorry it was'nt.[/p][/quote]not really cardiff was regenerated by spending million if not billion of EU grant money on it. It had no industry etc like bristol just a huge bloated public sector ! scraptheWAG
  • Score: 3

9:27pm Thu 16 Jan 14

J R Brooks says...

It's not the public which need to get behind "Newport" it's the city council.
I would doubt there is anyone who lives in Newport who wouldn't wish for the City centre to be vibrant once again. I personally found out what it's like to have to work along side the bunch of idiots which make up The City Council.
I invested 75k of my own savings in refurbishishing The Trout public house and turning it into a themed pub -The BirdCage.
After 3 years hard work we had turned a derilect building into one of Newport's busiest venues. During this time Newport City Council did nothing to improve the demise of the city centre, in fact they made things worst- they decided to dig up High Street, Market Street and Griffin Street.
This decision alone cost Newport in terms of failing businesses and lack of footfall for the duration of the works- At the end of the day why would anyone want to venture into a City Centre which had more holes than a war zone?
It got to the stage where I became ill trying to battle with the Council on a daily basis, so much so I was advised to sell the business.
Newport City Council did nothing to support the businesses that were left trading and all too often continued to put further obstacles in the way of progress.
So I have seen first hand where Newport City Council has failed the people of Newport. Maybe they might take notice one day - I doubt it though.
The only way Newport will ever turn itself around would be if the council was to provide adequate free car parking and subsidised shops.
The Frairs Walk development is set to cost £90 million- it would have been better for the council to have bought up all the NCP carparks, bought up as many empty shops as possible with the view to refurbishing them and renting them out at at a subsidised rate.
This would bring new businesses into Newport and customers would be happy to come in as there would be somewhere to park.
So I'm afraid to say but Frairs Walk has all the hallmarks of Newport City Council's biggest white elephant yet.
You only have to look at the new Kingsway centre- completely refurbished a few years ago- half the units remain empty! What difference will Frairs Walk be eh!
It's not the public which need to get behind "Newport" it's the city council. I would doubt there is anyone who lives in Newport who wouldn't wish for the City centre to be vibrant once again. I personally found out what it's like to have to work along side the bunch of idiots which make up The City Council. I invested 75k of my own savings in refurbishishing The Trout public house and turning it into a themed pub -The BirdCage. After 3 years hard work we had turned a derilect building into one of Newport's busiest venues. During this time Newport City Council did nothing to improve the demise of the city centre, in fact they made things worst- they decided to dig up High Street, Market Street and Griffin Street. This decision alone cost Newport in terms of failing businesses and lack of footfall for the duration of the works- At the end of the day why would anyone want to venture into a City Centre which had more holes than a war zone? It got to the stage where I became ill trying to battle with the Council on a daily basis, so much so I was advised to sell the business. Newport City Council did nothing to support the businesses that were left trading and all too often continued to put further obstacles in the way of progress. So I have seen first hand where Newport City Council has failed the people of Newport. Maybe they might take notice one day - I doubt it though. The only way Newport will ever turn itself around would be if the council was to provide adequate free car parking and subsidised shops. The Frairs Walk development is set to cost £90 million- it would have been better for the council to have bought up all the NCP carparks, bought up as many empty shops as possible with the view to refurbishing them and renting them out at at a subsidised rate. This would bring new businesses into Newport and customers would be happy to come in as there would be somewhere to park. So I'm afraid to say but Frairs Walk has all the hallmarks of Newport City Council's biggest white elephant yet. You only have to look at the new Kingsway centre- completely refurbished a few years ago- half the units remain empty! What difference will Frairs Walk be eh! J R Brooks
  • Score: -6

9:08am Fri 17 Jan 14

Vox Dei says...

You are a serious business man yet you appear to know very little about business. The High Street roadworks in 2012 were not started by the council, they were started by the gas company to replace a gas main, yet somehow this is the council's fault. The council are not building Friars' Walk it is a private enterprise who already have high street retailers confirmed as returning to the city centre. How is this a white elephant? The council are not in the business of buying up shops and renting them out.
You are a serious business man yet you appear to know very little about business. The High Street roadworks in 2012 were not started by the council, they were started by the gas company to replace a gas main, yet somehow this is the council's fault. The council are not building Friars' Walk it is a private enterprise who already have high street retailers confirmed as returning to the city centre. How is this a white elephant? The council are not in the business of buying up shops and renting them out. Vox Dei
  • Score: 4

9:36am Fri 17 Jan 14

NakedDancer says...

J R Brooks wrote:
It's not the public which need to get behind "Newport" it's the city council. I would doubt there is anyone who lives in Newport who wouldn't wish for the City centre to be vibrant once again. I personally found out what it's like to have to work along side the bunch of idiots which make up The City Council. I invested 75k of my own savings in refurbishishing The Trout public house and turning it into a themed pub -The BirdCage. After 3 years hard work we had turned a derilect building into one of Newport's busiest venues. During this time Newport City Council did nothing to improve the demise of the city centre, in fact they made things worst- they decided to dig up High Street, Market Street and Griffin Street. This decision alone cost Newport in terms of failing businesses and lack of footfall for the duration of the works- At the end of the day why would anyone want to venture into a City Centre which had more holes than a war zone? It got to the stage where I became ill trying to battle with the Council on a daily basis, so much so I was advised to sell the business. Newport City Council did nothing to support the businesses that were left trading and all too often continued to put further obstacles in the way of progress. So I have seen first hand where Newport City Council has failed the people of Newport. Maybe they might take notice one day - I doubt it though. The only way Newport will ever turn itself around would be if the council was to provide adequate free car parking and subsidised shops. The Frairs Walk development is set to cost £90 million- it would have been better for the council to have bought up all the NCP carparks, bought up as many empty shops as possible with the view to refurbishing them and renting them out at at a subsidised rate. This would bring new businesses into Newport and customers would be happy to come in as there would be somewhere to park. So I'm afraid to say but Frairs Walk has all the hallmarks of Newport City Council's biggest white elephant yet. You only have to look at the new Kingsway centre- completely refurbished a few years ago- half the units remain empty! What difference will Frairs Walk be eh!
I don't agree with everything you say but I think the first hand experience of people like yourself trying to run businesses in the city is invaluable. The Council and Newport Re-gen need to work hand-in-hand with existing and prospective traders but that cuts both ways. If the existing traders resist all change then then there's no point in consultation. The market frontage and bus station needed to be done but should have been managed better. Whatever the rights and wrongs, Friars Walk IS going ahead. Traders need to engage with the Council and Newport Re-gen to make the best of it and the other initiatives.

You obviously care and I really hope you will find a way to be involved. I also think if more independents with business skills stood for the council they would be elected. There's some good councillors but many are elected just because they represent a particular a Party and don't add value.
[quote][p][bold]J R Brooks[/bold] wrote: It's not the public which need to get behind "Newport" it's the city council. I would doubt there is anyone who lives in Newport who wouldn't wish for the City centre to be vibrant once again. I personally found out what it's like to have to work along side the bunch of idiots which make up The City Council. I invested 75k of my own savings in refurbishishing The Trout public house and turning it into a themed pub -The BirdCage. After 3 years hard work we had turned a derilect building into one of Newport's busiest venues. During this time Newport City Council did nothing to improve the demise of the city centre, in fact they made things worst- they decided to dig up High Street, Market Street and Griffin Street. This decision alone cost Newport in terms of failing businesses and lack of footfall for the duration of the works- At the end of the day why would anyone want to venture into a City Centre which had more holes than a war zone? It got to the stage where I became ill trying to battle with the Council on a daily basis, so much so I was advised to sell the business. Newport City Council did nothing to support the businesses that were left trading and all too often continued to put further obstacles in the way of progress. So I have seen first hand where Newport City Council has failed the people of Newport. Maybe they might take notice one day - I doubt it though. The only way Newport will ever turn itself around would be if the council was to provide adequate free car parking and subsidised shops. The Frairs Walk development is set to cost £90 million- it would have been better for the council to have bought up all the NCP carparks, bought up as many empty shops as possible with the view to refurbishing them and renting them out at at a subsidised rate. This would bring new businesses into Newport and customers would be happy to come in as there would be somewhere to park. So I'm afraid to say but Frairs Walk has all the hallmarks of Newport City Council's biggest white elephant yet. You only have to look at the new Kingsway centre- completely refurbished a few years ago- half the units remain empty! What difference will Frairs Walk be eh![/p][/quote]I don't agree with everything you say but I think the first hand experience of people like yourself trying to run businesses in the city is invaluable. The Council and Newport Re-gen need to work hand-in-hand with existing and prospective traders but that cuts both ways. If the existing traders resist all change then then there's no point in consultation. The market frontage and bus station needed to be done but should have been managed better. Whatever the rights and wrongs, Friars Walk IS going ahead. Traders need to engage with the Council and Newport Re-gen to make the best of it and the other initiatives. You obviously care and I really hope you will find a way to be involved. I also think if more independents with business skills stood for the council they would be elected. There's some good councillors but many are elected just because they represent a particular a Party and don't add value. NakedDancer
  • Score: 1

9:51am Fri 17 Jan 14

NakedDancer says...

Vox Dei wrote:
You are a serious business man yet you appear to know very little about business. The High Street roadworks in 2012 were not started by the council, they were started by the gas company to replace a gas main, yet somehow this is the council's fault. The council are not building Friars' Walk it is a private enterprise who already have high street retailers confirmed as returning to the city centre. How is this a white elephant? The council are not in the business of buying up shops and renting them out.
I understand one of the ideas of Newport Re-gen is compulsory purchase of parts of the city centre which would enable a co-ordinated approach to the look of the town centre and open up options to attract/sustain businesses in the centre (not just shops). In principle that makes a lot of sense but how that could be funded is obviously a challenge. The Council hasn't the money and wouldn't borrow it, so it would need to be grants or private sector funded.
[quote][p][bold]Vox Dei[/bold] wrote: You are a serious business man yet you appear to know very little about business. The High Street roadworks in 2012 were not started by the council, they were started by the gas company to replace a gas main, yet somehow this is the council's fault. The council are not building Friars' Walk it is a private enterprise who already have high street retailers confirmed as returning to the city centre. How is this a white elephant? The council are not in the business of buying up shops and renting them out.[/p][/quote]I understand one of the ideas of Newport Re-gen is compulsory purchase of parts of the city centre which would enable a co-ordinated approach to the look of the town centre and open up options to attract/sustain businesses in the centre (not just shops). In principle that makes a lot of sense but how that could be funded is obviously a challenge. The Council hasn't the money and wouldn't borrow it, so it would need to be grants or private sector funded. NakedDancer
  • Score: 2

10:32am Fri 17 Jan 14

snafu1 says...

I hope that this development ,which our council have raised the money for doe ,s not turn into an anvil around the neck of Newport ratepayers ,you can imagine when your rate renewel appears there is a surcharge to fund this in future years,it is a very risky road we are heading down.
I hope that this development ,which our council have raised the money for doe ,s not turn into an anvil around the neck of Newport ratepayers ,you can imagine when your rate renewel appears there is a surcharge to fund this in future years,it is a very risky road we are heading down. snafu1
  • Score: -3

12:54pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

snafu1 wrote:
I hope that this development ,which our council have raised the money for doe ,s not turn into an anvil around the neck of Newport ratepayers ,you can imagine when your rate renewel appears there is a surcharge to fund this in future years,it is a very risky road we are heading down.
What do you suggest that is done then?
Leave it like it is and sink further into the mire. (if that were possible)
If it brings more prosperity to the area, surely that would be a good thing, even if we had to pay a little something towards it ?
Nothing comes from nothing.
[quote][p][bold]snafu1[/bold] wrote: I hope that this development ,which our council have raised the money for doe ,s not turn into an anvil around the neck of Newport ratepayers ,you can imagine when your rate renewel appears there is a surcharge to fund this in future years,it is a very risky road we are heading down.[/p][/quote]What do you suggest that is done then? Leave it like it is and sink further into the mire. (if that were possible) If it brings more prosperity to the area, surely that would be a good thing, even if we had to pay a little something towards it ? Nothing comes from nothing. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: 4

10:59pm Fri 17 Jan 14

scraptheWAG says...

we should blow up a building in newport every sunday that dirty filthy 60' tower block the charvis tower should be next
we should blow up a building in newport every sunday that dirty filthy 60' tower block the charvis tower should be next scraptheWAG
  • Score: -6

10:04am Sat 18 Jan 14

Vox Dei says...

scraptheWAG wrote:
we should blow up a building in newport every sunday that dirty filthy 60' tower block the charvis tower should be next
You really have no clue do you? We should be inviting businesses into the city centre, not kicking them out! Cities need tall buildings -- all it needs is refurbishment, the same as the tax office in Clarence Place did.
[quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: we should blow up a building in newport every sunday that dirty filthy 60' tower block the charvis tower should be next[/p][/quote]You really have no clue do you? We should be inviting businesses into the city centre, not kicking them out! Cities need tall buildings -- all it needs is refurbishment, the same as the tax office in Clarence Place did. Vox Dei
  • Score: 3

1:47pm Sat 18 Jan 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

Vox Dei wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
we should blow up a building in newport every sunday that dirty filthy 60' tower block the charvis tower should be next
You really have no clue do you? We should be inviting businesses into the city centre, not kicking them out! Cities need tall buildings -- all it needs is refurbishment, the same as the tax office in Clarence Place did.
Good point.
I have thought this for a long time.
They almost re-wrapped the old Tax Office in new panels.
It makes it look so much better.
I am not a lover of this type of building, but I would agree that it is a much improved cost effective measure and an alternative to
demolition.
[quote][p][bold]Vox Dei[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: we should blow up a building in newport every sunday that dirty filthy 60' tower block the charvis tower should be next[/p][/quote]You really have no clue do you? We should be inviting businesses into the city centre, not kicking them out! Cities need tall buildings -- all it needs is refurbishment, the same as the tax office in Clarence Place did.[/p][/quote]Good point. I have thought this for a long time. They almost re-wrapped the old Tax Office in new panels. It makes it look so much better. I am not a lover of this type of building, but I would agree that it is a much improved cost effective measure and an alternative to demolition. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: 3

10:53am Sun 19 Jan 14

Practicalmickey says...

Negativity breeds negativity.
It's ridiculous the number of people who say 'what a s**t hole'. We'll of course it's not going to be pleasant if that's peoples attitudes. Newport can rise from the rubble, despite what people think a shiny new building will make people want to take a bit of pride and the rest of the town will follow.
Rome wasn't built in a day.
Negativity breeds negativity. It's ridiculous the number of people who say 'what a s**t hole'. We'll of course it's not going to be pleasant if that's peoples attitudes. Newport can rise from the rubble, despite what people think a shiny new building will make people want to take a bit of pride and the rest of the town will follow. Rome wasn't built in a day. Practicalmickey
  • Score: 3

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