SDR upgrade could be alternative to M4 relief plan

HOLD UP: Upgrading the SDR is now being considered as an alternative to a new M4 across the Gwent Levels

HOLD UP: Upgrading the SDR is now being considered as an alternative to a new M4 across the Gwent Levels

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THE Welsh Government is weighing up a proposal to upgrade the A48 as an alternative to draft plans for a new M4.

Edwina Hart, economy minister, says the possibility of upgrading the Southern Distributor Road and the Steelworks Road is being considered as an alternative to building a £1 billion three-lane motorway on the Gwent Levels.

The so-called £380 million "blue-route" has been backed by transport expert Professor Stuart Cole and environmental groups, but was not in the now-closed consultation.

Under the scheme the two roads would be reconstructed as a two-lane dual carriageway to motorway standard, and would link junctions at Magor and Tredegar Park.

A letter from Edwina Hart to Tom Clarke, chief executive of the Gwent Wildlife Trust, confirmed that the “blue route will be considered as an alternative to the draft plan submitted during the consultation exercise.”

Mr Clarke, a major figure within the Campaign Against the Levels Motorway, told the Argus: “I think that is a victory for common sense and I am grateful to the minister for doing that."

He said he has never led a campaign that nothing should be done: “But it’s essential all options are considered in addressing transport issues around Newport.”

It is too early to say whether this changes campaigners views on taking legal action, which lawyers for the Gwent Wildlife Trust and Friends of the Earth Cymru have warned the Welsh Government could happen.

The Institute of Welsh Affairs think tank has previously warned that the new M4 project could swallow up all of Wales’ borrowing powers, and its director Lee Waters yesterday said Mrs Hart’s move was a “reflection of the financial reality”.

Newport council Tory opposition leader and long time M4 relief road supporter Matthew Evans said the news is “extremely worrying” and hoped the Welsh Government wouldn’t “back track again”.

Cllr Evans said the blue route was “woefully inadequate” and that a “glorified SDR road is not going to solve the problem”.

William Graham, Tory AM for South Wales East, said an M4 Relief Road is vital to ease chronic congestion.

He added: “The Southern Distributor Road, with its numerous roundabouts, traffic lights and 50mph speed limit, was not designed to be an alternative motorway route.”

A Welsh Government spokesman said: “All responses to the consultation, including any alternatives proposed, are currently being reviewed.

“We will report on findings and next steps once this review is complete.”

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11:27am Fri 17 Jan 14

Magor says...

Not straight enough,only one solution.
Not straight enough,only one solution. Magor
  • Score: 17

11:38am Fri 17 Jan 14

Bobevans says...

The A48 is already overloaded and in no way is an alternative to the M4. That is just daft
The A48 is already overloaded and in no way is an alternative to the M4. That is just daft Bobevans
  • Score: 16

11:41am Fri 17 Jan 14

ExNewport says...

As much as I wouldn't like to see a motorway tearing up the Gwent levels the turning of the SDR into motorway standard road (ie a motorway) sounds crazy! What about all the junctions? I don't get it!
As much as I wouldn't like to see a motorway tearing up the Gwent levels the turning of the SDR into motorway standard road (ie a motorway) sounds crazy! What about all the junctions? I don't get it! ExNewport
  • Score: 15

11:43am Fri 17 Jan 14

ExNewport says...

The SDR is already a duel-carriageway, what would upgrading it to 'motorway standard' achieve?
The SDR is already a duel-carriageway, what would upgrading it to 'motorway standard' achieve? ExNewport
  • Score: 14

11:50am Fri 17 Jan 14

Vox Dei says...

ExNewport wrote:
The SDR is already a duel-carriageway, what would upgrading it to 'motorway standard' achieve?
Closing off all the vital junctions to which a distributor road is designed to distribute. Nobody in their right mind would call this idea "a victory for common sense". It is the polar opposite.
[quote][p][bold]ExNewport[/bold] wrote: The SDR is already a duel-carriageway, what would upgrading it to 'motorway standard' achieve?[/p][/quote]Closing off all the vital junctions to which a distributor road is designed to distribute. Nobody in their right mind would call this idea "a victory for common sense". It is the polar opposite. Vox Dei
  • Score: 20

11:53am Fri 17 Jan 14

Bobevans says...

ExNewport wrote:
The SDR is already a duel-carriageway, what would upgrading it to 'motorway standard' achieve?
The SDR does not meet Motorway standard at all so it could not be classed as a Motorway so we would have a Motorway with a section missing in Newport. Only the WAG could dream that one up
[quote][p][bold]ExNewport[/bold] wrote: The SDR is already a duel-carriageway, what would upgrading it to 'motorway standard' achieve?[/p][/quote]The SDR does not meet Motorway standard at all so it could not be classed as a Motorway so we would have a Motorway with a section missing in Newport. Only the WAG could dream that one up Bobevans
  • Score: 9

12:01pm Fri 17 Jan 14

plumbob says...

There is already severe congestion between the Ebbw roundabout and the Tredegar Park Jcn 28 roundabout especially when the people in offices between these roundabouts are leaving.
Widening this piece of the A48 does not appear feasible.
Also the southern distributor road serves several retail parks, docks, refuse tip and is by no means straight enough to bring up to motorway standards.
You have to move with the times and build a new motorway to bypass Newport.
I'm sure the wildlife will soon find alternative homes.
There is already severe congestion between the Ebbw roundabout and the Tredegar Park Jcn 28 roundabout especially when the people in offices between these roundabouts are leaving. Widening this piece of the A48 does not appear feasible. Also the southern distributor road serves several retail parks, docks, refuse tip and is by no means straight enough to bring up to motorway standards. You have to move with the times and build a new motorway to bypass Newport. I'm sure the wildlife will soon find alternative homes. plumbob
  • Score: 11

12:07pm Fri 17 Jan 14

_Bryan_ says...

This shouldn't be an alternative to a new M4, but an addition to the upgrade plan.
This shouldn't be an alternative to a new M4, but an addition to the upgrade plan. _Bryan_
  • Score: 9

12:08pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Bartlett1990 says...

So when the thousands of new houses are complete on the Llanwern site and once the retail park has finished expanding, an "upgraded dual carriageway" is going to be enough? What a joke, the SDR is badly designed enough as it is..
So when the thousands of new houses are complete on the Llanwern site and once the retail park has finished expanding, an "upgraded dual carriageway" is going to be enough? What a joke, the SDR is badly designed enough as it is.. Bartlett1990
  • Score: 13

12:27pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Leadpipe says...

Given that the SDR is the first road to become completely gridlocked when anything untoward happens on the M4, I fail to see how upgrading it to motorway status would help in any way. Also, some of the current junctions on the SDR are so badly designed that they don't encourage the free flow of traffic, they merely hinder it. Short of eradicating those junctions entirely, even upgrading the remainder of the SDR to motorway status will achieve nothing. But then, that's what most developments in Newport do, so why should we expect any different.
Given that the SDR is the first road to become completely gridlocked when anything untoward happens on the M4, I fail to see how upgrading it to motorway status would help in any way. Also, some of the current junctions on the SDR are so badly designed that they don't encourage the free flow of traffic, they merely hinder it. Short of eradicating those junctions entirely, even upgrading the remainder of the SDR to motorway status will achieve nothing. But then, that's what most developments in Newport do, so why should we expect any different. Leadpipe
  • Score: 8

12:53pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Bobevans says...

_Bryan_ wrote:
This shouldn't be an alternative to a new M4, but an addition to the upgrade plan.
Yes the SDR may be possible to upgrade to a Newport by Pass to take some local traffic off of the M4 but the M4 itself still needs upgrading and in any such plans J28 also needs major work
[quote][p][bold]_Bryan_[/bold] wrote: This shouldn't be an alternative to a new M4, but an addition to the upgrade plan.[/p][/quote]Yes the SDR may be possible to upgrade to a Newport by Pass to take some local traffic off of the M4 but the M4 itself still needs upgrading and in any such plans J28 also needs major work Bobevans
  • Score: 6

12:55pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Bobevans says...

plumbob wrote:
There is already severe congestion between the Ebbw roundabout and the Tredegar Park Jcn 28 roundabout especially when the people in offices between these roundabouts are leaving.
Widening this piece of the A48 does not appear feasible.
Also the southern distributor road serves several retail parks, docks, refuse tip and is by no means straight enough to bring up to motorway standards.
You have to move with the times and build a new motorway to bypass Newport.
I'm sure the wildlife will soon find alternative homes.
It is not so much the width on the A48 but the junctions that cause the congestions although even if they were improved the A48 traffic is close to capaciity at peaks
[quote][p][bold]plumbob[/bold] wrote: There is already severe congestion between the Ebbw roundabout and the Tredegar Park Jcn 28 roundabout especially when the people in offices between these roundabouts are leaving. Widening this piece of the A48 does not appear feasible. Also the southern distributor road serves several retail parks, docks, refuse tip and is by no means straight enough to bring up to motorway standards. You have to move with the times and build a new motorway to bypass Newport. I'm sure the wildlife will soon find alternative homes.[/p][/quote]It is not so much the width on the A48 but the junctions that cause the congestions although even if they were improved the A48 traffic is close to capaciity at peaks Bobevans
  • Score: 7

1:29pm Fri 17 Jan 14

bobmech1 says...

The use if the distributor road would be a huge mistake
The route is log jammed already, too many junctions and doesn't by pass the two main problems of Junction 29 and the Tunnels
It is chaos on it when anything happens on the M4 anyway so adding more traffic is futile
The use if the distributor road would be a huge mistake The route is log jammed already, too many junctions and doesn't by pass the two main problems of Junction 29 and the Tunnels It is chaos on it when anything happens on the M4 anyway so adding more traffic is futile bobmech1
  • Score: 8

1:30pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Bobevans says...

Leadpipe wrote:
Given that the SDR is the first road to become completely gridlocked when anything untoward happens on the M4, I fail to see how upgrading it to motorway status would help in any way. Also, some of the current junctions on the SDR are so badly designed that they don't encourage the free flow of traffic, they merely hinder it. Short of eradicating those junctions entirely, even upgrading the remainder of the SDR to motorway status will achieve nothing. But then, that's what most developments in Newport do, so why should we expect any different.
You cannot have junctions on a Motorway , Joining and leaving it has to be by slip roads. You cannot have traffic lights on one neither

To even suggest using the SDR as a Motorway shows just how low the standards are at the Assembly. The SDR would need to be totally rebuilt to meet motorway standards and given where it is located I cannot see how that could be homes without large scale demolition of homes and industrial sites
[quote][p][bold]Leadpipe[/bold] wrote: Given that the SDR is the first road to become completely gridlocked when anything untoward happens on the M4, I fail to see how upgrading it to motorway status would help in any way. Also, some of the current junctions on the SDR are so badly designed that they don't encourage the free flow of traffic, they merely hinder it. Short of eradicating those junctions entirely, even upgrading the remainder of the SDR to motorway status will achieve nothing. But then, that's what most developments in Newport do, so why should we expect any different.[/p][/quote]You cannot have junctions on a Motorway , Joining and leaving it has to be by slip roads. You cannot have traffic lights on one neither To even suggest using the SDR as a Motorway shows just how low the standards are at the Assembly. The SDR would need to be totally rebuilt to meet motorway standards and given where it is located I cannot see how that could be homes without large scale demolition of homes and industrial sites Bobevans
  • Score: 8

1:30pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Bobevans says...

Leadpipe wrote:
Given that the SDR is the first road to become completely gridlocked when anything untoward happens on the M4, I fail to see how upgrading it to motorway status would help in any way. Also, some of the current junctions on the SDR are so badly designed that they don't encourage the free flow of traffic, they merely hinder it. Short of eradicating those junctions entirely, even upgrading the remainder of the SDR to motorway status will achieve nothing. But then, that's what most developments in Newport do, so why should we expect any different.
You cannot have junctions on a Motorway , Joining and leaving it has to be by slip roads. You cannot have traffic lights on one neither

To even suggest using the SDR as a Motorway shows just how low the standards are at the Assembly. The SDR would need to be totally rebuilt to meet motorway standards and given where it is located I cannot see how that could be homes without large scale demolition of homes and industrial sites
[quote][p][bold]Leadpipe[/bold] wrote: Given that the SDR is the first road to become completely gridlocked when anything untoward happens on the M4, I fail to see how upgrading it to motorway status would help in any way. Also, some of the current junctions on the SDR are so badly designed that they don't encourage the free flow of traffic, they merely hinder it. Short of eradicating those junctions entirely, even upgrading the remainder of the SDR to motorway status will achieve nothing. But then, that's what most developments in Newport do, so why should we expect any different.[/p][/quote]You cannot have junctions on a Motorway , Joining and leaving it has to be by slip roads. You cannot have traffic lights on one neither To even suggest using the SDR as a Motorway shows just how low the standards are at the Assembly. The SDR would need to be totally rebuilt to meet motorway standards and given where it is located I cannot see how that could be homes without large scale demolition of homes and industrial sites Bobevans
  • Score: 0

2:10pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Vox Dei says...

Bob, you really are outdoing yourself in the stupidity stakes today. You cannot have junctions on a motorway? Oh dear. What you actually mean is that you cannot have AT-GRADE junctions. Clearly the £380 million would go towards grade separation, although given the alignment and close proximity to structures including the Grade I-listed Transporter Bridge this is entirely impractical.
Bob, you really are outdoing yourself in the stupidity stakes today. You cannot have junctions on a motorway? Oh dear. What you actually mean is that you cannot have AT-GRADE junctions. Clearly the £380 million would go towards grade separation, although given the alignment and close proximity to structures including the Grade I-listed Transporter Bridge this is entirely impractical. Vox Dei
  • Score: 3

2:40pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Llanmartinangel says...

Vox Dei wrote:
ExNewport wrote:
The SDR is already a duel-carriageway, what would upgrading it to 'motorway standard' achieve?
Closing off all the vital junctions to which a distributor road is designed to distribute. Nobody in their right mind would call this idea "a victory for common sense". It is the polar opposite.
'Victory for common sense' is not a phrase that can be readily used for anything WAG get involved in. And to think some people want them to have tax raising powers. Madness.
[quote][p][bold]Vox Dei[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ExNewport[/bold] wrote: The SDR is already a duel-carriageway, what would upgrading it to 'motorway standard' achieve?[/p][/quote]Closing off all the vital junctions to which a distributor road is designed to distribute. Nobody in their right mind would call this idea "a victory for common sense". It is the polar opposite.[/p][/quote]'Victory for common sense' is not a phrase that can be readily used for anything WAG get involved in. And to think some people want them to have tax raising powers. Madness. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 10

3:45pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Really? Really? says...

This is the best option - I have read the Prof Coles Report and its the upgrading of the A48, linking with the llanwern steelworks road will reduce the capacity on the M4 (along with the electrification of the railway line etc) will significantly reduce congestion. At a cost of £380m rather than £1.25 - 1.85 billion - an does trash the wetland wildlife sites (building on wetland sites is a ready stupid idea) - surely we should do the sensible cheap approach rather than the expensive insane approach.
This is the best option - I have read the Prof Coles Report and its the upgrading of the A48, linking with the llanwern steelworks road will reduce the capacity on the M4 (along with the electrification of the railway line etc) will significantly reduce congestion. At a cost of £380m rather than £1.25 - 1.85 billion - an does trash the wetland wildlife sites (building on wetland sites is a ready stupid idea) - surely we should do the sensible cheap approach rather than the expensive insane approach. Really? Really?
  • Score: -8

3:51pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Really? Really? says...

why? why? why? do we think pouring concrete is the way forward. The Blue route costing £380m is preferable rather than the government option estimated at between £1.25 and £1.85 billion - and it doesn't destroy the Gwent Levels wetlands - yes, wetlands - pouring concrete on wetlands will just creating flooding for Newport!!!

Reading the Blue Route report it makes sense - creating extra capacity at a fraction of the cost. Plus it doesn't bypass Newport and so the economy of Newport wont suffer. We need better forms of transport and hopefully the South Wales Metro will help create this via new and electrified railways including new railway stations.
why? why? why? do we think pouring concrete is the way forward. The Blue route costing £380m is preferable rather than the government option estimated at between £1.25 and £1.85 billion - and it doesn't destroy the Gwent Levels wetlands - yes, wetlands - pouring concrete on wetlands will just creating flooding for Newport!!! Reading the Blue Route report it makes sense - creating extra capacity at a fraction of the cost. Plus it doesn't bypass Newport and so the economy of Newport wont suffer. We need better forms of transport and hopefully the South Wales Metro will help create this via new and electrified railways including new railway stations. Really? Really?
  • Score: -8

3:52pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Magor says...

Really? Really? wrote:
This is the best option - I have read the Prof Coles Report and its the upgrading of the A48, linking with the llanwern steelworks road will reduce the capacity on the M4 (along with the electrification of the railway line etc) will significantly reduce congestion. At a cost of £380m rather than £1.25 - 1.85 billion - an does trash the wetland wildlife sites (building on wetland sites is a ready stupid idea) - surely we should do the sensible cheap approach rather than the expensive insane approach.
What difference will electrification make?
[quote][p][bold]Really? Really?[/bold] wrote: This is the best option - I have read the Prof Coles Report and its the upgrading of the A48, linking with the llanwern steelworks road will reduce the capacity on the M4 (along with the electrification of the railway line etc) will significantly reduce congestion. At a cost of £380m rather than £1.25 - 1.85 billion - an does trash the wetland wildlife sites (building on wetland sites is a ready stupid idea) - surely we should do the sensible cheap approach rather than the expensive insane approach.[/p][/quote]What difference will electrification make? Magor
  • Score: 4

3:54pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Magor says...

The only way this would have a chance of working would be to make the M4 cars
only and HGVs etc use the SDR.
The only way this would have a chance of working would be to make the M4 cars only and HGVs etc use the SDR. Magor
  • Score: 1

4:04pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Bobevans says...

Magor wrote:
Really? Really? wrote:
This is the best option - I have read the Prof Coles Report and its the upgrading of the A48, linking with the llanwern steelworks road will reduce the capacity on the M4 (along with the electrification of the railway line etc) will significantly reduce congestion. At a cost of £380m rather than £1.25 - 1.85 billion - an does trash the wetland wildlife sites (building on wetland sites is a ready stupid idea) - surely we should do the sensible cheap approach rather than the expensive insane approach.
What difference will electrification make?
None really. Originally diesel trains were slow and efficient modern ones are almost as efficient as electric, AS for the trains making any real difference that is daft,. The line is just a commuter route it will make little difference to traffic on the M4
[quote][p][bold]Magor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Really? Really?[/bold] wrote: This is the best option - I have read the Prof Coles Report and its the upgrading of the A48, linking with the llanwern steelworks road will reduce the capacity on the M4 (along with the electrification of the railway line etc) will significantly reduce congestion. At a cost of £380m rather than £1.25 - 1.85 billion - an does trash the wetland wildlife sites (building on wetland sites is a ready stupid idea) - surely we should do the sensible cheap approach rather than the expensive insane approach.[/p][/quote]What difference will electrification make?[/p][/quote]None really. Originally diesel trains were slow and efficient modern ones are almost as efficient as electric, AS for the trains making any real difference that is daft,. The line is just a commuter route it will make little difference to traffic on the M4 Bobevans
  • Score: 4

4:06pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Bobevans says...

Vox Dei wrote:
Bob, you really are outdoing yourself in the stupidity stakes today. You cannot have junctions on a motorway? Oh dear. What you actually mean is that you cannot have AT-GRADE junctions. Clearly the £380 million would go towards grade separation, although given the alignment and close proximity to structures including the Grade I-listed Transporter Bridge this is entirely impractical.
NO you are. Read what was posted. Can you have standard junctions on Motorways. Can you have left and right turns? Can you have traffic lights? Can you have pedestrians?
[quote][p][bold]Vox Dei[/bold] wrote: Bob, you really are outdoing yourself in the stupidity stakes today. You cannot have junctions on a motorway? Oh dear. What you actually mean is that you cannot have AT-GRADE junctions. Clearly the £380 million would go towards grade separation, although given the alignment and close proximity to structures including the Grade I-listed Transporter Bridge this is entirely impractical.[/p][/quote]NO you are. Read what was posted. Can you have standard junctions on Motorways. Can you have left and right turns? Can you have traffic lights? Can you have pedestrians? Bobevans
  • Score: 0

4:07pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Bobevans says...

Vox Dei wrote:
Bob, you really are outdoing yourself in the stupidity stakes today. You cannot have junctions on a motorway? Oh dear. What you actually mean is that you cannot have AT-GRADE junctions. Clearly the £380 million would go towards grade separation, although given the alignment and close proximity to structures including the Grade I-listed Transporter Bridge this is entirely impractical.
NO you are. Read what was posted. Can you have standard junctions on Motorways. Can you have left and right turns? Can you have traffic lights? Can you have pedestrians?
[quote][p][bold]Vox Dei[/bold] wrote: Bob, you really are outdoing yourself in the stupidity stakes today. You cannot have junctions on a motorway? Oh dear. What you actually mean is that you cannot have AT-GRADE junctions. Clearly the £380 million would go towards grade separation, although given the alignment and close proximity to structures including the Grade I-listed Transporter Bridge this is entirely impractical.[/p][/quote]NO you are. Read what was posted. Can you have standard junctions on Motorways. Can you have left and right turns? Can you have traffic lights? Can you have pedestrians? Bobevans
  • Score: 2

5:52pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Vox Dei says...

Nice try Bob, but your post is clear to be seen above. To wit, "You cannot have junctions on a Motorway".
Nice try Bob, but your post is clear to be seen above. To wit, "You cannot have junctions on a Motorway". Vox Dei
  • Score: 1

7:43pm Fri 17 Jan 14

grumpyandopinionated says...

Is building on wet lands the worst idea ever????? Isn't pretty much the whole of newport built on wetlands. Upgrading the sdr is the worst ever idea, the SDR is just a nightmare with all the poorly designed round abouts. Where will the traffic go from spytty etc, just doesn't make sense it'll create more traffic. Building a NEW M4 bypassing newport and using the old strech of m4 as a northern distributor road is the best option, as the extra capacity for the future can be designed into it. In my opinion if they do the job right they could include the road into better flood defenses for the city, as how long will it be before there is a major breach in the usk mouth area. I don't see the point in the destruction of wild life areas just for the sake of it but needs must. I can only see this going one way though, it will end up just being an upgrade of the sdr and making us a further laughing stock when it all goes pear shaped. I wish people will use comon sense and while they are at it build a hydro electric barage across the usk to generate the revenue to pay for the new road and not have to charge tolls as this will be the next thing.
Is building on wet lands the worst idea ever????? Isn't pretty much the whole of newport built on wetlands. Upgrading the sdr is the worst ever idea, the SDR is just a nightmare with all the poorly designed round abouts. Where will the traffic go from spytty etc, just doesn't make sense it'll create more traffic. Building a NEW M4 bypassing newport and using the old strech of m4 as a northern distributor road is the best option, as the extra capacity for the future can be designed into it. In my opinion if they do the job right they could include the road into better flood defenses for the city, as how long will it be before there is a major breach in the usk mouth area. I don't see the point in the destruction of wild life areas just for the sake of it but needs must. I can only see this going one way though, it will end up just being an upgrade of the sdr and making us a further laughing stock when it all goes pear shaped. I wish people will use comon sense and while they are at it build a hydro electric barage across the usk to generate the revenue to pay for the new road and not have to charge tolls as this will be the next thing. grumpyandopinionated
  • Score: 5

7:49pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Gaerian says...

I fail to see how the roundabouts on the SDR can be eradicated to enable the A48 to be upgraded to motorway status. Driving a motorway through the heart of Newport can only cause 1 of 2 things.

1) totally segregate the living area of Newport from the High schools (Lliswerry / Llanwern), work places, industrial parks and leisure /shopping areas with no easy access across the motorway without major demolition of all houses around existing roundabouts to create flyovers.
OR
2) result in the new motorway being used by Newport residents for every trip to the shops, work, cinema or school just so they can cross from one side of the motorway to the other.

I can't see how this is a feasible option worth considering
I fail to see how the roundabouts on the SDR can be eradicated to enable the A48 to be upgraded to motorway status. Driving a motorway through the heart of Newport can only cause 1 of 2 things. 1) totally segregate the living area of Newport from the High schools (Lliswerry / Llanwern), work places, industrial parks and leisure /shopping areas with no easy access across the motorway without major demolition of all houses around existing roundabouts to create flyovers. OR 2) result in the new motorway being used by Newport residents for every trip to the shops, work, cinema or school just so they can cross from one side of the motorway to the other. I can't see how this is a feasible option worth considering Gaerian
  • Score: 1

7:58pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Manley says...

I think this is feasible and probably the best solution if it includes a new stretch to link the SDR to the A48M, otherwise there's a major bottleneck around the Pont Ebbw roundabout. It ought to be reasonably straightforward to build something parallel to the railway line.
I think this is feasible and probably the best solution if it includes a new stretch to link the SDR to the A48M, otherwise there's a major bottleneck around the Pont Ebbw roundabout. It ought to be reasonably straightforward to build something parallel to the railway line. Manley
  • Score: 0

10:16am Sat 18 Jan 14

Vox Dei says...

Manley wrote:
I think this is feasible and probably the best solution if it includes a new stretch to link the SDR to the A48M, otherwise there's a major bottleneck around the Pont Ebbw roundabout. It ought to be reasonably straightforward to build something parallel to the railway line.
The "Duffryn Link" has been proposed for many years. That is what the pointless roundabout at Maesglas West is for. The council want to link it up to the dual carriageway at Imperial Park but the WAG would rather spend all their money on Cardiff.
[quote][p][bold]Manley[/bold] wrote: I think this is feasible and probably the best solution if it includes a new stretch to link the SDR to the A48M, otherwise there's a major bottleneck around the Pont Ebbw roundabout. It ought to be reasonably straightforward to build something parallel to the railway line.[/p][/quote]The "Duffryn Link" has been proposed for many years. That is what the pointless roundabout at Maesglas West is for. The council want to link it up to the dual carriageway at Imperial Park but the WAG would rather spend all their money on Cardiff. Vox Dei
  • Score: 1

12:18pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Really? Really? says...

Capacity, capacity, capacity - that's what the Blue route offers plus (Magor) the electrification of railways, plus other measures offers capacity increase. The government says that the need 20% additional capacity by 2050 - the Blue route offers 20% - the motorway offers 40% (thus overkill and huge financial and environmental cost). South Wales Metro offers capacity 20% capacity, electrification offers 5 - 10%. Communing is a predictable - A to B and back at certain times of the day thus offering choice instead of the car is sensible e.g. more rail stations (south wales metro proposes).

Plus, the Blue route can be achieved by 2018 - the Motorway through Gwent Levels wetlands will be 2030. The Blue route is £380m and the motorway is £1.25 billion or more depending on engineering. So, a cheap route will less environmental impact and hits the required extra capacity with money left to do other things or a Motorway that destroys wetlands, costs a fortune leaving no money for anything else in Wales to be achieved (as it would be all of Wales borrowing power....yes, borrowing....thus we all have to pay for it). Unless we Toll this new motorway.....
Capacity, capacity, capacity - that's what the Blue route offers plus (Magor) the electrification of railways, plus other measures offers capacity increase. The government says that the need 20% additional capacity by 2050 - the Blue route offers 20% - the motorway offers 40% (thus overkill and huge financial and environmental cost). South Wales Metro offers capacity 20% capacity, electrification offers 5 - 10%. Communing is a predictable - A to B and back at certain times of the day thus offering choice instead of the car is sensible e.g. more rail stations (south wales metro proposes). Plus, the Blue route can be achieved by 2018 - the Motorway through Gwent Levels wetlands will be 2030. The Blue route is £380m and the motorway is £1.25 billion or more depending on engineering. So, a cheap route will less environmental impact and hits the required extra capacity with money left to do other things or a Motorway that destroys wetlands, costs a fortune leaving no money for anything else in Wales to be achieved (as it would be all of Wales borrowing power....yes, borrowing....thus we all have to pay for it). Unless we Toll this new motorway..... Really? Really?
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