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Wales local government shake-up - Newport could merge with Monmouthshire

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Detail from Williams report on Wales local government shake-up

  • Newport could merge with Monmouthshire
  • Blaenau Gwent, Caerphilly and Torfaen will also see changes

  • Comments


    Banjalucka 10:52am Mon 20 Jan 14

    Sounds right

    Score: -8
    Vox Dei 10:59am Mon 20 Jan 14

    Any reorganisation needs to address identity issues. The new councils need to be called "districts" or "regions", not counties and boroughs The lieutenancy areas need to be realigned to match the 13 counties and the historic town councils should be allowed to be called "borough" councils.

    Score: 11
    Woodgnome 11:00am Mon 20 Jan 14

    Best news for some time - but the Mon people might not think so!!

    Score: -3
    Vox Dei 11:01am Mon 20 Jan 14

    Woodgnome wrote…


    Best news for some time - but the Mon people might not think so!!

    You're right, I'm a Mon person and I don't necessarily agree with abolishing my city council.

    Score: 12
    Woodgnome 11:06am Mon 20 Jan 14

    Vox Dei wrote…


    Woodgnome wrote…


    Best news for some time - but the Mon people might not think so!!
    You're right, I'm a Mon person and I don't necessarily agree with abolishing my city council.

    You don't "necessarily agree" with very much at all in the SWA comments sections Vox - so no surprise there! The sooner the old school dinosaurs at NCC are diluted or eliminated by some people with vision and common sense the better.

    Score: 1
    brainfreeze 11:20am Mon 20 Jan 14

    Newport Council is stuck in the dark ages. This is not good news for Monmouthshire residents at all

    Score: 4
    Jonnytrouble 11:20am Mon 20 Jan 14

    It is all about saving MONEY !!! as quoted 60-80 Billion pounds.....
    As long as essential services are NOT affected then lets have it, but there will be NO guarantee that the Council tax payer will see a reduction in there Council Taxes and of course job loses are bound to happen unfortunately !

    Score: 16
    GardenVarietyMushroom 11:24am Mon 20 Jan 14

    Can't see the 65,000 - 70,000, traditionally Tory Monmouthshire residents being very happy about merging with the 155,000 traditionally anti-Tory Newport residents.

    Score: -10
    GrumpyOM 11:31am Mon 20 Jan 14

    IMHO the people of Monmouthshire will not be be too pleased if the councils of the city and the borough are to merge. The City Council has not been good for its inhabitants. It is boorrowing hugely to fund the questionable regeneration of the centre, why should the residents ot Monmouthshire B.C. be saddled with the future financial repercussions. Could we, the residents ofvthe Borough have a say in the matter please?

    Score: -13
    Bobevans 11:45am Mon 20 Jan 14

    I would go further and reduce it to 5 which would be the 5 regions used by the assembly. The 5 regions could be subdivided into areas for the purpose of running services and these areas would be represented on the Regional Council

    Score: -14
    brainfreeze 11:52am Mon 20 Jan 14

    GrumpyOM wrote…


    IMHO the people of Monmouthshire will not be be too pleased if the councils of the city and the borough are to merge. The City Council has not been good for its inhabitants. It is boorrowing hugely to fund the questionable regeneration of the centre, why should the residents ot Monmouthshire B.C. be saddled with the future financial repercussions. Could we, the residents ofvthe Borough have a say in the matter please?

    If there's one thing that we can be sure about it's that we won't get a say in the matter.

    We'll be saddled with the dump unfortunately

    Score: -8
    Vox Dei 11:56am Mon 20 Jan 14

    Nobody ever has a say in these regular reorganisations. The idea that the government was meant to be BY the people FOR the people is long dead...

    Score: 22
    GardenVarietyMushroom 11:58am Mon 20 Jan 14

    Vox Dei wrote…


    Nobody ever has a say in these regular reorganisations. The idea that the government was meant to be BY the people FOR the people is long dead...

    Think you're confusing us with the USA.

    Score: -14
    Vox Dei 12:00pm Mon 20 Jan 14

    GardenVarietyMushroo
    m
    wrote…


    Vox Dei wrote…


    Nobody ever has a say in these regular reorganisations. The idea that the government was meant to be BY the people FOR the people is long dead...
    Think you're confusing us with the USA.

    They didn't invent representative democracy. We elect people to do what we want, unless you fancy living in even more of a police state.

    Score: 16
    p stani 12:13pm Mon 20 Jan 14

    Does this mean we will have less greedy overweight im alright jack councilors. I for one will think its a great idea.

    Score: 1
    StaceyJ1986 12:14pm Mon 20 Jan 14

    Oh god no, I have a friend who works for Newport CC and he says its awful. Please Leave Monmouthshire CC alone

    Score: -2
    Thinking heads 12:16pm Mon 20 Jan 14

    Now seem to be moving forward ?
    This looks good south east wales region. Regeneration of it as a whole.
    But need to read fhe small print.
    ACT IN HAST REPENT AT LESUIRE.
    Can the party's do the best in consensus for the people of region and not play games on party lines .
    We dont need that anymore you have to put that aside on this for the good of the region.

    Score: -2
    concerned@newport 12:19pm Mon 20 Jan 14

    How will this effect the property services merger with the Norse group

    Score: -1
    kez1968 12:33pm Mon 20 Jan 14

    RIP bleanau Gwent!!! you won't be missed

    Score: 5
    Katie Re-Registered 12:41pm Mon 20 Jan 14

    Prior to 1974 Newport used to be part of Monmouthshire.

    Score: 11
    heresphil 12:55pm Mon 20 Jan 14

    I was expecting a suggested merger of Newport/Torfaen so it's interesting that the proposal is to restore the historic link between Newport and Monmouthshire, even despite the obvious social and demographic differences between the two areas these days.

    A quick bit of adding up of Newport and Monmouthshire's councillor breakdown, based on current wards would give us 93 councillors in the new council: 48 Labour (37 NP 11 M), 29 Conservative (10 NP 19 M), 4 LD (1 NP 3 M) and 12 independents (2 NP, 10 M) (The maths is open to challenge if anyone knows better!)

    The expectation presumably is that this number of councillors would be drastically reduced but it will make the new council a lot more marginal than both separate councils are at the moment, especially with the high number of independents thrown in the mix.

    Interesting but potentially combustive.

    Score: 7
    brainfreeze 1:24pm Mon 20 Jan 14

    Expect a Primark in Abergavenny within 2 years

    Score: -16
    brynglas 1:28pm Mon 20 Jan 14

    Blaenau Gwent+Torfaen+Caerph
    illy= Blaentorphilly Council
    Newport+Monmouth = Newmouth Council

    Well, they have a certain ring to them I suppose...

    Any other ideas?

    Score: -2
    OldSlugs 1:34pm Mon 20 Jan 14

    Hooray our pretty inept and failing Blaenau Gwent Council with various special measures under the control of the Welsh assembly will go . Oh Dear! merged with Torfaen another one with various special measures and Caerphilly, most recently known for overpaying its top people, amongst other things. Oh well at least they'll have experience of getting everything wrong between them.

    Score: 18
    Woodgnome 1:35pm Mon 20 Jan 14

    Vox Dei wrote…


    GardenVarietyMushroo

    m
    wrote…


    Vox Dei wrote…


    Nobody ever has a say in these regular reorganisations. The idea that the government was meant to be BY the people FOR the people is long dead...
    Think you're confusing us with the USA.
    They didn't invent representative democracy. We elect people to do what we want, unless you fancy living in even more of a police state.

    In fact VD, MP's are representatives not delegates You're getting confused with trades union.
    Government by the people for the people refers to Lincoln's address at Gettysburg more than a century and a half ago.

    Score: -8
    Vox Dei 1:49pm Mon 20 Jan 14

    Katie Re-Registered wrote…


    Prior to 1974 Newport used to be part of Monmouthshire.

    It sill is. The name of the local council doesn't matter and never has. See monmouthshire-associ
    ation.org.uk

    Score: 11
    whatintheworld 1:50pm Mon 20 Jan 14

    hah!

    for months ive seen readers comment about how there are far too many councils

    now that something is being done, people find something else to moan about

    unfortuanatley, "identity" doesnt show up in the audit guys...

    stop your whinging and be glad WG look like they're doing something

    Score: 3
    GardenVarietyMushroom 2:32pm Mon 20 Jan 14

    Vox Dei wrote…


    GardenVarietyMushroo

    m
    wrote…


    Vox Dei wrote…


    Nobody ever has a say in these regular reorganisations. The idea that the government was meant to be BY the people FOR the people is long dead...
    Think you're confusing us with the USA.
    They didn't invent representative democracy. We elect people to do what we want, unless you fancy living in even more of a police state.

    Don't know about living in a police state - I think we first ought to establish which planet you're living on that makes you think the people you elect do what you want.

    Score: -5
    Stan Edwards 3:24pm Mon 20 Jan 14

    A bit of a bummer for Monmouthshire. When I was born Newport was in Monmouthshire. Newport wanted a new name to improve its image. Newport Mon is no longer good enough. Ofcourse the wags will come up with Monport or Newmouth.
    Merger is probably a good thing given that both Monmouth and Newport Councillors are considered in a similar light by constituents they may kill each other off!

    Score: 3
    Floppy backed 3:34pm Mon 20 Jan 14

    Oh great the idea of the poverty councils of Torfaen to be merged with Blaenau-Gwent what a hole!!! Surely the reputation of these councils will get worse. Mind you Torfaen is a dreadful council to deal with and it cant get worse. Hopefully there will be some serious kicking into touch for many of the managers who cant adhere to any policy (has Torfaen any policies?) sort out their complaints dept and start running the council like a grown up organisation.

    Score: 5
    Floppy backed 3:42pm Mon 20 Jan 14

    Jonnytrouble wrote…


    It is all about saving MONEY !!! as quoted 60-80 Billion pounds.....
    As long as essential services are NOT affected then lets have it, but there will be NO guarantee that the Council tax payer will see a reduction in there Council Taxes and of course job loses are bound to happen unfortunately !

    Perhaps outsource depts like HR. Get bruttle kill some of those sickies - why do public servants get 6 months full sick pay?? this can no longer be sustainable - get it to 6 weeks. Council's now no longer concentrate on roads and education they have to fork out for running some peoples lives perhaps too much now which is draining essential services which imo are roads and education followed by the rest.

    Score: -5
    Vox Dei 3:44pm Mon 20 Jan 14

    Stan Edwards wrote…


    A bit of a bummer for Monmouthshire. When I was born Newport was in Monmouthshire. Newport wanted a new name to improve its image. Newport Mon is no longer good enough. Ofcourse the wags will come up with Monport or Newmouth.
    Merger is probably a good thing given that both Monmouth and Newport Councillors are considered in a similar light by constituents they may kill each other off!

    Au Contraire: Newport Mon IS good enough. It's better than the current mess of identity we have now thanks to constant meddling with local government boundaries (and certain newspapers promoting one such muddled identity).

    Score: 11
    GardenVarietyMushroom 4:02pm Mon 20 Jan 14

    whatintheworld wrote…


    hah!

    for months ive seen readers comment about how there are far too many councils

    now that something is being done, people find something else to moan about

    unfortuanatley, "identity" doesnt show up in the audit guys...

    stop your whinging and be glad WG look like they're doing something

    Far as I'm concerned, one is too many.

    Have to admit though that if the plans go ahead to merge Newport and Monmouth - I'm REALLY looking forward to hearing all those Tory cries of anguish as they lose their majority.

    Score: 4
    Woodgnome 4:27pm Mon 20 Jan 14

    Vox Dei wrote…


    Katie Re-Registered wrote…


    Prior to 1974 Newport used to be part of Monmouthshire.
    It sill is. The name of the local council doesn't matter and never has. See monmouthshire-associ

    ation.org.uk

    No it isn't VD. Those who haven't updated there address book for years might think so.

    Score: -6
    whatintheworld 4:32pm Mon 20 Jan 14

    GardenVarietyMushroo
    m
    wrote…


    whatintheworld wrote…

    hah! for months ive seen readers comment about how there are far too many councils now that something is being done, people find something else to moan about unfortuanatley, "identity" doesnt show up in the audit guys... stop your whinging and be glad WG look like they're doing something
    Far as I'm concerned, one is too many. Have to admit though that if the plans go ahead to merge Newport and Monmouth - I'm REALLY looking forward to hearing all those Tory cries of anguish as they lose their majority.

    this is an interesting point.

    could the argus put together a map of wales, showing any differences in election results when comparing the real boundaries, to those suggested by this report?

    would be a very interesting read!

    Score: 0
    Dyfed12 4:36pm Mon 20 Jan 14

    Vox Dei wrote…


    Any reorganisation needs to address identity issues. The new councils need to be called "districts" or "regions", not counties and boroughs The lieutenancy areas need to be realigned to match the 13 counties and the historic town councils should be allowed to be called "borough" councils.

    What utter rubbish - The lord lieutenancy should not be changed and kept to the preserved counties of WALES. The new councils should be 8 - bringing back Dyfed, G W E N T Clwyd - as for identity issues utter garbage, if any identity issues are current with made up stupid names such as Rhonnda-Cynon-Taff, Neath Port Talbot, Caerphilly and Bridgend. BRING BACK GWENT.

    Score: -1
    Dyfed12 4:41pm Mon 20 Jan 14

    GrumpyOM wrote…


    IMHO the people of Monmouthshire will not be be too pleased if the councils of the city and the borough are to merge. The City Council has not been good for its inhabitants. It is boorrowing hugely to fund the questionable regeneration of the centre, why should the residents ot Monmouthshire B.C. be saddled with the future financial repercussions. Could we, the residents ofvthe Borough have a say in the matter please?

    Why should you? Gwent should not have been abolished in the first place - are you any better off?? NO! Car parks in Abergavenny used to be free - when "monmouthshire" was unfortunately brought back, the car parks weren't free anymore - i have heard that they now have number plates on the tickets so you can't pass them on.

    Score: -15
    Dyfed12 4:42pm Mon 20 Jan 14

    StaceyJ1986 wrote…


    Oh god no, I have a friend who works for Newport CC and he says its awful. Please Leave Monmouthshire CC alone

    No get rid asa.

    Score: -15
    Llanmartinangel 4:43pm Mon 20 Jan 14

    Katie Re-Registered wrote…


    Prior to 1974 Newport used to be part of Monmouthshire.

    Once we join Monmouthshire can the new authority have a referendum to join England? Now THAT would be a result. No more WAG.

    Score: 13
    Vox Dei 4:46pm Mon 20 Jan 14

    Dyfed12 wrote…


    Vox Dei wrote…


    Any reorganisation needs to address identity issues. The new councils need to be called "districts" or "regions", not counties and boroughs The lieutenancy areas need to be realigned to match the 13 counties and the historic town councils should be allowed to be called "borough" councils.
    What utter rubbish - The lord lieutenancy should not be changed and kept to the preserved counties of WALES. The new councils should be 8 - bringing back Dyfed, G W E N T Clwyd - as for identity issues utter garbage, if any identity issues are current with made up stupid names such as Rhonnda-Cynon-Taff, Neath Port Talbot, Caerphilly and Bridgend. BRING BACK GWENT.

    I'm sorry but "Clwyd" is a stupid made-up name and all the others are just re-purposed names that are utterly different to their historic extent. There is no historic justification for returning to an utterly discredited system that lasted a mere 22 years. The 13 counties are what people identify with. Try telling someone in Pembrokeshire that they should have Dyfed back.

    Lieutenancies should be adjusted to the 13 counties if there is to be any hope of salvaging some meaningful identity out of all this mess.

    Score: 14
    Vox Dei 4:50pm Mon 20 Jan 14

    Woodgnome wrote…


    Vox Dei wrote…


    Katie Re-Registered wrote…


    Prior to 1974 Newport used to be part of Monmouthshire.
    It sill is. The name of the local council doesn't matter and never has. See monmouthshire-associ


    ation.org.uk
    No it isn't VD. Those who haven't updated there address book for years might think so.

    Hang on, do you really believe that local government defines where places are? What on earth happened before 1889 then? There weren't any county councils then. How did people cope without constant reorganisations? You really must detach in your mind the notion of a geographical construct such as a county and a service-delivery organisation that borrows its name. If the last 40 years of meddling hadn't taught you this already I fear it may be too late. Enjoy "moving" again, whereas the rest of us have lived in Monmouthshire all along...

    Score: 10
    Dyfed12 5:00pm Mon 20 Jan 14

    StaceyJ1986 wrote…


    Oh god no, I have a friend who works for Newport CC and he says its awful. Please Leave Monmouthshire CC alone

    Get rid asa.

    Score: -15
    Dyfed12 5:02pm Mon 20 Jan 14

    Vox Dei wrote…


    Stan Edwards wrote…


    A bit of a bummer for Monmouthshire. When I was born Newport was in Monmouthshire. Newport wanted a new name to improve its image. Newport Mon is no longer good enough. Ofcourse the wags will come up with Monport or Newmouth.
    Merger is probably a good thing given that both Monmouth and Newport Councillors are considered in a similar light by constituents they may kill each other off!
    Au Contraire: Newport Mon IS good enough. It's better than the current mess of identity we have now thanks to constant meddling with local government boundaries (and certain newspapers promoting one such muddled identity).

    GWENT

    Score: -11
    [deleted] 5:03pm Mon 20 Jan 14
    [deleted]
    Score: 2
    Jonnytrouble 5:04pm Mon 20 Jan 14

    Quote 'Newport opposition Tory group leader Matthew Evans '
    Humm afraid of getting the ' chop ' if goes ahead ?
    On the other hand Newport is called Newport, Borough of Newport and Monmouthshire ,Monmouthshire,( as in Chepstow, Monmouthshire ) yet Newport is still having the recognised Gwent as a county,( but Gwent does not exist ) plus we have Gwent as in ' Gwent police ' and before Gwent, Newport was Monmouthshire ( as on my birth certificate plus we were in England before border changes and it shows on my 1966 old World atlas )
    Confused ?
    Anyway when the ' Rhyder Cup ' came to Newport a certain person which I shall not name ( think he is not a Newport Luvver )
    Had the name The vale of Usk ,so maybe as it brought £28 million to the Local economy, should the 2 be called that if the ' dream ' goes ahead ????

    Score: -7
    Vox Dei 5:09pm Mon 20 Jan 14

    Jonny, your post sums up the utter mess we are in. We need to detach the notion of local government and county. The county is still Monmouthshire for everyone between the Wye and the Rhymney. I'm not sure what you mean by "recognised Gwent as a county": Recognised by whom?

    Score: 11
    Dyfed12 5:11pm Mon 20 Jan 14

    Vox Dei wrote…


    Dyfed12 wrote…


    Vox Dei wrote…


    Any reorganisation needs to address identity issues. The new councils need to be called "districts" or "regions", not counties and boroughs The lieutenancy areas need to be realigned to match the 13 counties and the historic town councils should be allowed to be called "borough" councils.
    What utter rubbish - The lord lieutenancy should not be changed and kept to the preserved counties of WALES. The new councils should be 8 - bringing back Dyfed, G W E N T Clwyd - as for identity issues utter garbage, if any identity issues are current with made up stupid names such as Rhonnda-Cynon-Taff, Neath Port Talbot, Caerphilly and Bridgend. BRING BACK GWENT.
    I'm sorry but "Clwyd" is a stupid made-up name and all the others are just re-purposed names that are utterly different to their historic extent. There is no historic justification for returning to an utterly discredited system that lasted a mere 22 years. The 13 counties are what people identify with. Try telling someone in Pembrokeshire that they should have Dyfed back.

    Lieutenancies should be adjusted to the 13 counties if there is to be any hope of salvaging some meaningful identity out of all this mess.

    Clearly YOU have not done your history Clwyd is not a "stupid name" The eight counties of Wales were named after the kings that ruled the land - cas-gwent for example means castle of Gwent. I have already covered the identity - no issues here if any "names" are stupid then it's pembrokeshire, monmouthshire abhorrent names. Also if you bother to check, the Williams report also suggests that new councils are based on the police and health board boundaries and the possibility of being based on EU grant aid boundaries - in other words the WHOLE area of the former COUNTY of Dyfed.

    Score: -15
    lyndon666 5:12pm Mon 20 Jan 14

    Gwent Uchaf and Gwent Isaf!

    Bye bye Monmouthshire, you won't be missed.

    Score: -16
    lyndon666 5:17pm Mon 20 Jan 14

    Vox Dei wrote…


    Dyfed12 wrote…


    Vox Dei wrote…


    Any reorganisation needs to address identity issues. The new councils need to be called "districts" or "regions", not counties and boroughs The lieutenancy areas need to be realigned to match the 13 counties and the historic town councils should be allowed to be called "borough" councils.
    What utter rubbish - The lord lieutenancy should not be changed and kept to the preserved counties of WALES. The new councils should be 8 - bringing back Dyfed, G W E N T Clwyd - as for identity issues utter garbage, if any identity issues are current with made up stupid names such as Rhonnda-Cynon-Taff, Neath Port Talbot, Caerphilly and Bridgend. BRING BACK GWENT.
    I'm sorry but "Clwyd" is a stupid made-up name and all the others are just re-purposed names that are utterly different to their historic extent. There is no historic justification for returning to an utterly discredited system that lasted a mere 22 years. The 13 counties are what people identify with. Try telling someone in Pembrokeshire that they should have Dyfed back.

    Lieutenancies should be adjusted to the 13 counties if there is to be any hope of salvaging some meaningful identity out of all this mess.

    Clwyd is named after the Clwyd River, which flows through the Vale of Clwyd, which is below the Clwydian Mountains.

    Obviously made up, then.

    Nobody under the age of 50 identifies with colonial counties abolished 40 years ago. Nobody but you gives a rat's backside about "lieutenancies".

    Score: -9
    Dyfed12 5:17pm Mon 20 Jan 14

    Llanmartinangel wrote…


    Katie Re-Registered wrote…


    Prior to 1974 Newport used to be part of Monmouthshire.
    Once we join Monmouthshire can the new authority have a referendum to join England? Now THAT would be a result. No more WAG.

    I used to live near llanmartin BTY. Interesting - when some clown decided to bring back monmouthshire the residents voiced their concerns quite loudly that they were ok with this, so long as monmouthshire (it's in lower case for a reason) stayed in Wales! Better the devil you know than the devil you don't...............
    ...................

    Score: -15
    Jonnytrouble 5:19pm Mon 20 Jan 14

    p stani wrote…


    Does this mean we will have less greedy overweight im alright jack councilors. I for one will think its a great idea.

    Add Mp's and Am's too please !
    4:38pm
    Monmouth AM Nick Ramsay said he I will fight "tooth and nail" for Monmouthshire to be retained today
    Is this one ?
    Might be part of the Money savings ( remember the BIG figures ) ?
    and ' value for money programme ' for the people at long last ?

    Score: 3
    Dyfed12 5:20pm Mon 20 Jan 14

    Vox Dei wrote…


    Woodgnome wrote…


    Vox Dei wrote…


    Katie Re-Registered wrote…


    Prior to 1974 Newport used to be part of Monmouthshire.
    It sill is. The name of the local council doesn't matter and never has. See monmouthshire-associ



    ation.org.uk
    No it isn't VD. Those who haven't updated there address book for years might think so.
    Hang on, do you really believe that local government defines where places are? What on earth happened before 1889 then? There weren't any county councils then. How did people cope without constant reorganisations? You really must detach in your mind the notion of a geographical construct such as a county and a service-delivery organisation that borrows its name. If the last 40 years of meddling hadn't taught you this already I fear it may be too late. Enjoy "moving" again, whereas the rest of us have lived in Monmouthshire all along...

    "vox dei" was this "comment" directed at me?

    Score: -13
    [deleted] 5:25pm Mon 20 Jan 14
    [deleted]
    Score: 0
    Dyfed12 5:27pm Mon 20 Jan 14

    Vox Dei wrote…


    Jonny, your post sums up the utter mess we are in. We need to detach the notion of local government and county. The county is still Monmouthshire for everyone between the Wye and the Rhymney. I'm not sure what you mean by "recognised Gwent as a county": Recognised by whom?

    COUNTY OF GWENT

    Score: -15
    Vox Dei 5:29pm Mon 20 Jan 14

    Lyndon I am fully aware that "Clwyd" is named after a river, but the point is it is a made-up name in the same way that Avon, Humberside, Merseyside, Tayside, &c. are. It has no historical provenance before 1974.
    [quote]Nobody under the age of 50 identifies with colonial counties abolished 40 years ago. Nobody but you gives a rat's backside about "lieutenancies".
    [/quote]
    Actually, I am under 40 and I identify with the real counties, not administrative contrivances. Additionally I think you'll find that the "Gwent lovers" give a rat's backside about "lieutenancies" because in their mind it proves that Gwent continues to exist.

    Score: 14
    Dyfed12 5:31pm Mon 20 Jan 14

    Jonnytrouble wrote…


    p stani wrote…


    Does this mean we will have less greedy overweight im alright jack councilors. I for one will think its a great idea.
    Add Mp's and Am's too please !
    4:38pm
    Monmouth AM Nick Ramsay said he I will fight "tooth and nail" for Monmouthshire to be retained today
    Is this one ?
    Might be part of the Money savings ( remember the BIG figures ) ?
    and ' value for money programme ' for the people at long last ?

    To protect his seat i wonder.............

    Score: -5
    Dai Rear 5:40pm Mon 20 Jan 14

    West of the Usk is Wales; let it be part of Glamorganshire. East is England. Let it be part of Herefordshire.

    Score: -10
    Vox Dei 5:43pm Mon 20 Jan 14

    Dai Rear wrote…


    West of the Usk is Wales; let it be part of Glamorganshire. East is England. Let it be part of Herefordshire.

    Nearly. West of the Rhymney is Glamorganshire. East of it is Monmouthshire. At 500,000+ population it doesn't need to be part of anything else.

    Score: 18
    Dyfed12 5:47pm Mon 20 Jan 14

    lyndon666 wrote…


    Vox Dei wrote…


    Dyfed12 wrote…


    Vox Dei wrote…


    Any reorganisation needs to address identity issues. The new councils need to be called "districts" or "regions", not counties and boroughs The lieutenancy areas need to be realigned to match the 13 counties and the historic town councils should be allowed to be called "borough" councils.
    What utter rubbish - The lord lieutenancy should not be changed and kept to the preserved counties of WALES. The new councils should be 8 - bringing back Dyfed, G W E N T Clwyd - as for identity issues utter garbage, if any identity issues are current with made up stupid names such as Rhonnda-Cynon-Taff, Neath Port Talbot, Caerphilly and Bridgend. BRING BACK GWENT.
    I'm sorry but "Clwyd" is a stupid made-up name and all the others are just re-purposed names that are utterly different to their historic extent. There is no historic justification for returning to an utterly discredited system that lasted a mere 22 years. The 13 counties are what people identify with. Try telling someone in Pembrokeshire that they should have Dyfed back.

    Lieutenancies should be adjusted to the 13 counties if there is to be any hope of salvaging some meaningful identity out of all this mess.
    Clwyd is named after the Clwyd River, which flows through the Vale of Clwyd, which is below the Clwydian Mountains.

    Obviously made up, then.

    Nobody under the age of 50 identifies with colonial counties abolished 40 years ago. Nobody but you gives a rat's backside about "lieutenancies".

    You mentioned lieutenancies - BTW internet sources are incorrect Clwyd was NOT named after a river. I have reported your "comment" Far from appropriate.

    Score: -9
    Dave on his Soapbox 5:57pm Mon 20 Jan 14

    ....where is Owain Vaughan....he regularly wrote about the good old days of Monmouthshire......a
    nd the continued reference to Gwent....
    however......after the Romans left our shores the kingdoms of Gwynedd, Powys, Dyfed and Seisyllg, Morgannwg and Gwent emerged as independent Welsh successor states......

    Score: 0
    Woodgnome 5:58pm Mon 20 Jan 14

    Vox Dei wrote…


    Woodgnome wrote…


    Vox Dei wrote…


    Katie Re-Registered wrote…


    Prior to 1974 Newport used to be part of Monmouthshire.
    It sill is. The name of the local council doesn't matter and never has. See monmouthshire-associ



    ation.org.uk
    No it isn't VD. Those who haven't updated there address book for years might think so.
    Hang on, do you really believe that local government defines where places are? What on earth happened before 1889 then? There weren't any county councils then. How did people cope without constant reorganisations? You really must detach in your mind the notion of a geographical construct such as a county and a service-delivery organisation that borrows its name. If the last 40 years of meddling hadn't taught you this already I fear it may be too late. Enjoy "moving" again, whereas the rest of us have lived in Monmouthshire all along...

    If we listened to VD (incidentally he is universally ignored if you have read the comments to stories for any length of time) we'd still live in Siluria.

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    Magor 6:02pm Mon 20 Jan 14

    Dyfed12 wrote…


    GrumpyOM wrote…


    IMHO the people of Monmouthshire will not be be too pleased if the councils of the city and the borough are to merge. The City Council has not been good for its inhabitants. It is boorrowing hugely to fund the questionable regeneration of the centre, why should the residents ot Monmouthshire B.C. be saddled with the future financial repercussions. Could we, the residents ofvthe Borough have a say in the matter please?
    Why should you? Gwent should not have been abolished in the first place - are you any better off?? NO! Car parks in Abergavenny used to be free - when "monmouthshire" was unfortunately brought back, the car parks weren't free anymore - i have heard that they now have number plates on the tickets so you can't pass them on.

    You do type your number in but the charges are low.

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    [deleted] 6:09pm Mon 20 Jan 14
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    thomas35 7:14pm Mon 20 Jan 14

    Now where do I go to dump my rubbish on weekends . ??

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    dereksboy 8:39pm Mon 20 Jan 14

    Haven't we been here before I seem to remember my father in law being moved from civic centre to county hall Cwmbran nearly forty years ago .
    Later they decided to make Newport into a Borough. And now they've decided to amalgamate again. Sounds like its time to waste another pile of money. Pathetic.

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    scraptheWAG 8:48pm Mon 20 Jan 14

    never happen way to many vested interests

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    EggyPeggy 8:50pm Mon 20 Jan 14

    StaceyJ1986 wrote…


    Oh god no, I have a friend who works for Newport CC and he says its awful. Please Leave Monmouthshire CC alone

    As a resident of Monmouthshire I can report that monmouthshire cc is also awful. I lived in torfaen before - now that was a very good council.

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    EggyPeggy 8:57pm Mon 20 Jan 14

    Newport was in Monmouthshire or Mon as we used to call it for a very long time as were a lot of other places. Monmouthshire Cc is in my opinion very poor and is way too small to function properly . I would welcome merging with Newport so long as Newport could go back to being newport mon as opposed to the ridiculous newport Newport that it currently is.

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    Grüngemüse 8:57pm Mon 20 Jan 14

    There was a reorganisation in 1974 and another in 1996, so we are about due for another. The 1996 reorganisation was done the wrong way up. Instead of breaking up the old counties they should have absorbed the little boroughs into the old county structures. Where there used to be (post 1996) one chief executive and one director for each directorate there became 5 chief execs and 5 of each director.

    The excuse was it would be closer to the electorate. Really? - divide and rule more like.

    As a point of principle I support this move as it cuts back on local government overheads. Who knows - it may slow Wales' slide into oblivion!

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    Manley 10:11pm Mon 20 Jan 14

    It doesn't make any sense to me to merge an urban authority with a very rural authority. I can't see that it will generate the greatest cost savings.

    What I would have preferred to see would be the merger of Newport with Torfaen (and separately the merger of Caerphilly and Blaenau Gwent).

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    ex-St. Julians boy 10:55pm Mon 20 Jan 14

    I'm a pre-1974 rebel and I don't give a toss what the government says. So as far as I'm concerned, Liverpool is still in Lancashire, Birmingham is still in Warwickshire, and Newport ... is still in bloody Monmouthshire where it's always been. Stuff 'em.

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    grumpyandopinionated 12:00am Tue 21 Jan 14

    Newport, Gwent and Monmouthshire need to be merged. Cost savings could be huge.

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    robtgraham@tiscali.co.uk 1:40am Tue 21 Jan 14

    We will have a Public Consultation, every member of the public will say NO and then the merger will go ahead as is the result with ALL public consultations

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    Militibus Oppressi 7:05am Tue 21 Jan 14

    ex-St. Julians boy wrote…


    I'm a pre-1974 rebel and I don't give a toss what the government says. So as far as I'm concerned, Liverpool is still in Lancashire, Birmingham is still in Warwickshire, and Newport ... is still in bloody Monmouthshire where it's always been. Stuff 'em.

    http://abcounties.co
    m

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    robtgraham@tiscali.co.uk 7:43am Tue 21 Jan 14

    When I were a lad!! it was Newport, Mon. Then it was Newport, Gwent, now it's Newport Mon. Hey Ho, what's next? it's only money!!

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    Grüngemüse 8:33am Tue 21 Jan 14

    Manley wrote…


    It doesn't make any sense to me to merge an urban authority with a very rural authority. I can't see that it will generate the greatest cost savings.

    What I would have preferred to see would be the merger of Newport with Torfaen (and separately the merger of Caerphilly and Blaenau Gwent).

    I take your point. Torfaen seems a more natural partner for Newport, even the local accent is similar. Rather leaves BG out in the cold though.
    It seems that thees reorganisations are needed every 20 years or so to shake out any minor corruptions, and a few bigger ones e.g. the Caerphilly Chief Exec saga.

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    Newport Citizen 9:05am Tue 21 Jan 14

    robtgraham@tiscali.c
    o.uk
    wrote…


    When I were a lad!! it was Newport, Mon. Then it was Newport, Gwent, now it's Newport Mon. Hey Ho, what's next? it's only money!!

    It's always been "Newport, Mon.".regardless of who empties the bins...

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    Thomas O'Malley 9:54am Tue 21 Jan 14

    Manley wrote…


    It doesn't make any sense to me to merge an urban authority with a very rural authority. I can't see that it will generate the greatest cost savings. What I would have preferred to see would be the merger of Newport with Torfaen (and separately the merger of Caerphilly and Blaenau Gwent).

    Totally agree. The only reason to merge Newport and Monmouthsire is a cost saving one as Monmouthshire currently has too small a population and income to fund its own Council. In the current financial climate that may override all other considerations. However, the challenges that face the urban centre that is Newport and the challenges of small towns and rural communities in Monmouthshire are completely different.

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    coalpicker 9:58am Tue 21 Jan 14

    There were eight county councils that worked well, the dissolution of these authorities was a monumental very expensive mistake. From Gwent's point of view creating five authorities duplicating the county structure was compounding the lunacy. I would submit that returning to the old structure
    and dispensing with the Cardiff bay disaster would be the answer .

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    Jonnytrouble 5:24pm Tue 21 Jan 14

    Vox Dei wrote…


    Jonny, your post sums up the utter mess we are in. We need to detach the notion of local government and county. The county is still Monmouthshire for everyone between the Wye and the Rhymney. I'm not sure what you mean by "recognised Gwent as a county": Recognised by whom?

    Well I have in front of me a V5C(W) from the DVLA Swansea, on changing a vehicle I put Newport S Wales ( as we are not Gwent anymore ) and it came back with Newport Gwent on it !
    Also the majority of correspondence sent to me by post say's Newport Gwent on it !
    So Gwent does exist ????????

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    Raymond Luxury-Yacht 7:26pm Tue 21 Jan 14

    Q Why re-organise?
    A Too much bureaucracy- save money

    simpler solution

    Dump the assembly - forget it- it's not going to happen- too many snouts in the trough and free tickets on the gravy train.
    Isn't the world just fine and dandy!

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    Mervyn James 7:52pm Tue 21 Jan 14

    Vox Dei wrote…


    Any reorganisation needs to address identity issues. The new councils need to be called "districts" or "regions", not counties and boroughs The lieutenancy areas need to be realigned to match the 13 counties and the historic town councils should be allowed to be called "borough" councils.

    Anything is better than the 'shire' titling which is an English invention. Let us hope we don't hark back to the 'Monmouthshire' tag again to cover the Old Islwyn and now Caerphilly/Torfaen areas... Re-establish what is the norm now anyway GWENT. Does ANYONE ever use Newport, Mon ? Colonial throwback....

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    Stan Edwards 9:00pm Tue 21 Jan 14

    Yawn! The great unwashed doesn't give a stuff. The historical (hysterical) culture vultures and intellectual / political and academic elitists now have an a dream of an platform to shoot the breeze and give their tonsils an airing. I think it is wonderful for them to have this opportunity; they have a clue when it comes to the really important things in this world. May this thing roll on for some time and keep them away from anything really important.

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    Thomas Cromwell 12:05pm Wed 22 Jan 14

    Mervyn James wrote…


    Vox Dei wrote…


    Any reorganisation needs to address identity issues. The new councils need to be called "districts" or "regions", not counties and boroughs The lieutenancy areas need to be realigned to match the 13 counties and the historic town councils should be allowed to be called "borough" councils.
    Anything is better than the 'shire' titling which is an English invention. Let us hope we don't hark back to the 'Monmouthshire' tag again to cover the Old Islwyn and now Caerphilly/Torfaen areas... Re-establish what is the norm now anyway GWENT. Does ANYONE ever use Newport, Mon ? Colonial throwback....

    Nonsense. "Shire" is not an "English" invention, the word itself comes from Old High German and therefore predates the concept of "England" and "English". The historian William Rees says, in his "Historical Atlas of Wales": (published 1959) "... the boundaries of the modern shires have largely been determined by the ancient divisions of the country. The survival of these ancient local divisions within the pattern of historical change constitutes a vital element in the framework of the national life and helps to preserve its continuity."

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    Thomas Cromwell 12:06pm Wed 22 Jan 14

    Jonnytrouble wrote…


    Vox Dei wrote…


    Jonny, your post sums up the utter mess we are in. We need to detach the notion of local government and county. The county is still Monmouthshire for everyone between the Wye and the Rhymney. I'm not sure what you mean by "recognised Gwent as a county": Recognised by whom?
    Well I have in front of me a V5C(W) from the DVLA Swansea, on changing a vehicle I put Newport S Wales ( as we are not Gwent anymore ) and it came back with Newport Gwent on it !
    Also the majority of correspondence sent to me by post say's Newport Gwent on it !
    So Gwent does exist ????????

    That is from the obsolete Royal Mail database. The Royal Mail themselves abandoned it in the year 2000, but resellers of Royal Mail data add it back in for some reason.

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    legend01 4:51pm Wed 22 Jan 14

    Banjalucka wrote…


    Sounds right

    When will our so called "rulers" stop coming up with these crazy ideas, surely they should have better things to do with their time like sorting out the dire state of our schools in special measures and hospitals struggling to cope, why would anyone want to join up with Newport just looking around its a total mess , looks like a giant bomb site in our town centre ( If it actually knows where the town centre is) Clearly what we actually need is less politicians and councillors minding our business and use these savings to improve life for all of us.
    At least turkeys voting for Xmas know what the result will be ?

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    Mervyn James 6:56pm Wed 22 Jan 14

    Thomas Cromwell wrote…


    Mervyn James wrote…


    Vox Dei wrote…


    Any reorganisation needs to address identity issues. The new councils need to be called "districts" or "regions", not counties and boroughs The lieutenancy areas need to be realigned to match the 13 counties and the historic town councils should be allowed to be called "borough" councils.
    Anything is better than the 'shire' titling which is an English invention. Let us hope we don't hark back to the 'Monmouthshire' tag again to cover the Old Islwyn and now Caerphilly/Torfaen areas... Re-establish what is the norm now anyway GWENT. Does ANYONE ever use Newport, Mon ? Colonial throwback....
    Nonsense. "Shire" is not an "English" invention, the word itself comes from Old High German and therefore predates the concept of "England" and "English". The historian William Rees says, in his "Historical Atlas of Wales": (published 1959) "... the boundaries of the modern shires have largely been determined by the ancient divisions of the country. The survival of these ancient local divisions within the pattern of historical change constitutes a vital element in the framework of the national life and helps to preserve its continuity."

    It comes from the saxon English (German), so shires were forced upon Wales by subservience to England rule. IT is widely accepted despite attempts to state otherwise we are in Gwent, Wales, all my mail is posted that way from every system area, even from the council itself and the post office, we don't want to be a shire, or part of 'Mon', monmouthsire sees itself as part of England always has, and uses the shire tag as 'proof'.

    Shires are 'english' (Official), and confuse area identities, that have nothing to do with being 'British' either.

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    JanJenkins 8:55pm Wed 22 Jan 14

    Again, This getting ridiculous is this going to happen every 10 yrs. Newport, Monmouthshire. Gwent. keep spending money we don't have to combine offices with the same staff, All move to the chair on the right, Shuffle done.

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    varteg1 4:55pm Thu 23 Jan 14

    Manley wrote…


    It doesn't make any sense to me to merge an urban authority with a very rural authority. I can't see that it will generate the greatest cost savings.

    What I would have preferred to see would be the merger of Newport with Torfaen (and separately the merger of Caerphilly and Blaenau Gwent).

    The clue lies in that very thing, I recall boundary changes some years ago that saw a area of Birkenhead split, which instantly gave the Tory party domain over what had been a solid Labour pair of wards.

    One half of a very large council estate was coupled to more affluent areas, situated on both flanks of that estate, the result was as the electorate of the estate became divided, the larger affluent areas were able to ensure a Tory majorty despite the almost total Labour nature of the estate.

    Or to make clear my point, Newport being a Labour city, may well find itself 'lost' to Conservative majorities when Mon becomes the major part .

    The Tories stated they wanted to gerrymander the boundaries, to ensure they retained a overall majority, but were stymied by the City and general urban areas which stubbornly remained left wing, their means to the end being, to redefine boundaries, thereby to make sure they got what they have always desired.

    In the case of south east Wales, they scrunch up the solid Labour constituencies, mainly in the valleys, whilst at the same time eroding Labour influence in the more lucrative places, as they couple the likes of Newport to a more right wing region such as Monmouthshire..

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    bravoscar 5:47am Sat 25 Jan 14

    Does this mean the conservatives are going to sack half of all the council's and make one big super mega council citadel?
    Great maybe Monmouthshire council can put aim at answering the phone!

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    scraptheWAG 8:38am Sat 25 Jan 14

    varteg1 wrote…


    Manley wrote…


    It doesn't make any sense to me to merge an urban authority with a very rural authority. I can't see that it will generate the greatest cost savings.

    What I would have preferred to see would be the merger of Newport with Torfaen (and separately the merger of Caerphilly and Blaenau Gwent).
    The clue lies in that very thing, I recall boundary changes some years ago that saw a area of Birkenhead split, which instantly gave the Tory party domain over what had been a solid Labour pair of wards.

    One half of a very large council estate was coupled to more affluent areas, situated on both flanks of that estate, the result was as the electorate of the estate became divided, the larger affluent areas were able to ensure a Tory majorty despite the almost total Labour nature of the estate.

    Or to make clear my point, Newport being a Labour city, may well find itself 'lost' to Conservative majorities when Mon becomes the major part .

    The Tories stated they wanted to gerrymander the boundaries, to ensure they retained a overall majority, but were stymied by the City and general urban areas which stubbornly remained left wing, their means to the end being, to redefine boundaries, thereby to make sure they got what they have always desired.

    In the case of south east Wales, they scrunch up the solid Labour constituencies, mainly in the valleys, whilst at the same time eroding Labour influence in the more lucrative places, as they couple the likes of Newport to a more right wing region such as Monmouthshire..

    can you imagine the people of monmouth having to say they share the same council with their run down poor deprived neighbour

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    scraptheWAG 8:56am Sun 26 Jan 14

    varteg1 wrote…


    Manley wrote…


    It doesn't make any sense to me to merge an urban authority with a very rural authority. I can't see that it will generate the greatest cost savings.

    What I would have preferred to see would be the merger of Newport with Torfaen (and separately the merger of Caerphilly and Blaenau Gwent).
    The clue lies in that very thing, I recall boundary changes some years ago that saw a area of Birkenhead split, which instantly gave the Tory party domain over what had been a solid Labour pair of wards.

    One half of a very large council estate was coupled to more affluent areas, situated on both flanks of that estate, the result was as the electorate of the estate became divided, the larger affluent areas were able to ensure a Tory majorty despite the almost total Labour nature of the estate.

    Or to make clear my point, Newport being a Labour city, may well find itself 'lost' to Conservative majorities when Mon becomes the major part .

    The Tories stated they wanted to gerrymander the boundaries, to ensure they retained a overall majority, but were stymied by the City and general urban areas which stubbornly remained left wing, their means to the end being, to redefine boundaries, thereby to make sure they got what they have always desired.

    In the case of south east Wales, they scrunch up the solid Labour constituencies, mainly in the valleys, whilst at the same time eroding Labour influence in the more lucrative places, as they couple the likes of Newport to a more right wing region such as Monmouthshire..

    labour nature of the estate lol you mean they were all unemployed

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    Bobevans 12:21pm Sun 26 Jan 14

    It seems huge saving can be made if the commitment is there. Here is a link to a Council that has managed to reduce its staffing levels by 50% yet still maintain most services

    http://www.bbc.co.uk
    /news/uk-england-suf
    folk-21248726

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