Have-a-go Abergavenny tyre firm boss accused of GBH against thief cleared after '10 months of hell'

South Wales Argus: CLEARED: Have-a-go Abergavenny tyre firm boss Andrew Woodhouse CLEARED: Have-a-go Abergavenny tyre firm boss Andrew Woodhouse

AFTER “10 months of hell” for an Abergavenny businessman accused of causing grievous bodily harm against a thief he caught in the act, it took a jury just 25 minutes to reach a verdict of not guilty.

Seven women and five men found Andrew Woodhouse had acted in self defence when he left Kevin Green, 53, with two broken legs and a broken forearm on March 26 last year after Mr Green stole diesel from his yard in Llanfoist.

Mr Green and his son-in-law Timothy Cross targeted Abergavenny Tyres, where Mr Woodhouse also runs a landscaping business, but were caught when an alarm went off at just after midnight.

Father-of-five Mr Woodhouse, 44, got out of bed at his home in Govilon and drove the two miles to his yard, where he pursued the two thieves across a field. He caught up with them at Samuel Salter Close where he found them next to a Vauxhall Zafira getaway car and grabbed one of the men to try and retrieve stolen jerry cans of diesel. Mr Woodhouse described wrestling what felt like a fence post from one of the thieves after he had been hit to the hand and shoulder and pushed to the ground.

In a police interview he described swinging out “like a mad man” between six and ten times, hitting the car and the air in an attempt to defend himself and his property.

There were cheers and sobs from the public gallery as the verdict was read out, with family later describing the verdict as a cause for champagne.

After he walked free from Cardiff Crown Court yesterday, Mr Woodhouse said he just wanted to get back to work and put this behind him. In a statement, he said the last 10 months had been “very harrowing for me, my family and for the people I employ. I have striven to build businesses to provide a living for me and my family, and in order to provide employment to others.”

“I acted to retrieve property stolen from my business and to detain two persons who were ultimately convicted of theft. In the course of the struggle it is unfortunate that one of the thieves got injured. It was never my intention to injure anyone that night, but it might serve as a reminder to other thieves that there are sometimes unintended consequences to entering property in the dead of night.”

Prosecutor James Wilson alleged that “when he saw his hard-earned money carted off by a couple of ne’er-do-wells, he gave chase in anger” intending to injure them, saying Mr Woodhouse had gone too far.

But the jury accepted defence lawyer Andrew Taylor’s argument that his client had shown “stoicism, courage and some fitness” to chase after the thieves, adding many people would have given up and made an insurance claim — but Mr Woodhouse was “made of sterner stuff”. He said his client had defended himself when attacked.

When PC Aime McSherry arrived at the scene, Mr Woodhouse handed over Timothy Cross, who he had caught and pinned down. Mr Cross told her: “He’s gone over the top with my father-in-law.”

She then found Mr Green lying under a duvet on the ground. She said: “I asked him what happened. He said ‘I been nicking diesel and some bloke has beaten me up with a stick and broken my legs and my arm. I need an ambulance’.

The court heard Mr Green needed several operations and is still using crutches.

Mr Green and Mr Cross admitted theft and were fined by magistrates. Mr Taylor, defending, told the court his client had been repeatedly targeted by thieves who at one point stole goods worth between £15,000 and £25,000.

Mr Woodhouse’s family said they were delighted that “justice had been done”.

Mr Woodhouse thanked his family and friends whose support “helped me no end and allowed me to gather the strength to stay strong and to focus on defending myself”.

He also thanked the jury, barrister Andrew Taylor and solicitors Keith Evans and Company.

Mr Woodhouse was found not guilty of both causing GBH and causing GBH with intent by unanimous verdicts.

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10:44am Thu 23 Jan 14

Jonnytrouble says...

The CPS and Gwent Police in that area wasting OUR tax payers money once again, who's' side are they on ?
This is not the first time we have heard about them mucking things up in that area, I think the Police commissioner should investigate the force in Abergavenny and if those that can't do the job properly sack them !!!
The CPS and Gwent Police in that area wasting OUR tax payers money once again, who's' side are they on ? This is not the first time we have heard about them mucking things up in that area, I think the Police commissioner should investigate the force in Abergavenny and if those that can't do the job properly sack them !!! Jonnytrouble
  • Score: 41

10:47am Thu 23 Jan 14

Mr G Went says...

Thankfully the justice system has seen sense and given the correct verdict.
Sadly, it will probably mean in future that other 'Ne-er do wells' will probably arrive tooled up, just in case.

If only these simpletons spent as much time getting a real job than 'stealing by twilight', the world would be a much safer place!
Thankfully the justice system has seen sense and given the correct verdict. Sadly, it will probably mean in future that other 'Ne-er do wells' will probably arrive tooled up, just in case. If only these simpletons spent as much time getting a real job than 'stealing by twilight', the world would be a much safer place! Mr G Went
  • Score: 47

11:30am Thu 23 Jan 14

robbie1401 says...

Jonnytrouble wrote:
The CPS and Gwent Police in that area wasting OUR tax payers money once again, who's' side are they on ? This is not the first time we have heard about them mucking things up in that area, I think the Police commissioner should investigate the force in Abergavenny and if those that can't do the job properly sack them !!!
Common sense has prevailed by the jury and Mr Woodhouse has seen the end of what must have been a very difficult period. However,don't critise the Police for doing their job, they don't decide who is guilty, that is uo to the court. They don't even decide on whether to charge a suspect, that is up to the Crown Prosecution Service. If you want to change the system to something similar to USA where a householder has the right to use deadly force, petition your MP
[quote][p][bold]Jonnytrouble[/bold] wrote: The CPS and Gwent Police in that area wasting OUR tax payers money once again, who's' side are they on ? This is not the first time we have heard about them mucking things up in that area, I think the Police commissioner should investigate the force in Abergavenny and if those that can't do the job properly sack them !!![/p][/quote]Common sense has prevailed by the jury and Mr Woodhouse has seen the end of what must have been a very difficult period. However,don't critise the Police for doing their job, they don't decide who is guilty, that is uo to the court. They don't even decide on whether to charge a suspect, that is up to the Crown Prosecution Service. If you want to change the system to something similar to USA where a householder has the right to use deadly force, petition your MP robbie1401
  • Score: 23

11:32am Thu 23 Jan 14

p stani says...

Give the job of Police commissioner to him,well done mate.
Give the job of Police commissioner to him,well done mate. p stani
  • Score: 22

11:56am Thu 23 Jan 14

grumpyandopinionated says...

This is deffinatly the right outcome, however I think it was right that the case was brought to court as in the eyes of the law he had done wrong as in all fairness he chased the guy and he got "what he deserved" but the injuries were sustained while he was trying to detain the person. Just think what we would be saying if it was a police officer that did this whilst trying to arrest someone. There wouldn't be a chance in hell that a jury would convict him and niether would I.

It doesn't say what the thief got as a sentence for his wrong doing and I bet it wasn't much, but I bet he wont be stealing diesel again from there.

I can honestly say that I would have done exactly the same thing being targeted time and time again, trying to keep a business aflot and to have someone take from you what takes blood sweat and tears to earn. I'm sorry but more people need to dish out this kind of justice, after all whats a slap on the wrist going to solve. Ok we can't all go around giving people beatings but once in a while isn't too bad.

I know for a fact that around the abergavenny area and most rural areas that diesel theft is a problem and one that is a loosing battle for the police as they can't keep up regular patrols in these areas and the criminals know it.

So well done to Mr Woodhouse for what he achieved and also for getting the right result.
This is deffinatly the right outcome, however I think it was right that the case was brought to court as in the eyes of the law he had done wrong as in all fairness he chased the guy and he got "what he deserved" but the injuries were sustained while he was trying to detain the person. Just think what we would be saying if it was a police officer that did this whilst trying to arrest someone. There wouldn't be a chance in hell that a jury would convict him and niether would I. It doesn't say what the thief got as a sentence for his wrong doing and I bet it wasn't much, but I bet he wont be stealing diesel again from there. I can honestly say that I would have done exactly the same thing being targeted time and time again, trying to keep a business aflot and to have someone take from you what takes blood sweat and tears to earn. I'm sorry but more people need to dish out this kind of justice, after all whats a slap on the wrist going to solve. Ok we can't all go around giving people beatings but once in a while isn't too bad. I know for a fact that around the abergavenny area and most rural areas that diesel theft is a problem and one that is a loosing battle for the police as they can't keep up regular patrols in these areas and the criminals know it. So well done to Mr Woodhouse for what he achieved and also for getting the right result. grumpyandopinionated
  • Score: 26

12:13pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Nospin_1 says...

great to hear, welldone that jury!!

grumpy think I saw yesterday they were fined £75, pathetic.
great to hear, welldone that jury!! grumpy think I saw yesterday they were fined £75, pathetic. Nospin_1
  • Score: 24

12:26pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Melvyn The Milk says...

Common sense has arrived in Wales at last. Good on you mate. A taste of their own medicine. Where are we going when tax payers' money funds ridiculous prosecutions like this?
Common sense has arrived in Wales at last. Good on you mate. A taste of their own medicine. Where are we going when tax payers' money funds ridiculous prosecutions like this? Melvyn The Milk
  • Score: 25

12:37pm Thu 23 Jan 14

grumpyandopinionated says...

Nospin_1 wrote:
great to hear, welldone that jury!!

grumpy think I saw yesterday they were fined £75, pathetic.
£75 is a joke, its nothing compared to the legal costs that Mr Woodhouse has probably had to spend and the toe rag that caused it all was probably represented in court by legal aid. Doesn't make sense if you ask me.
[quote][p][bold]Nospin_1[/bold] wrote: great to hear, welldone that jury!! grumpy think I saw yesterday they were fined £75, pathetic.[/p][/quote]£75 is a joke, its nothing compared to the legal costs that Mr Woodhouse has probably had to spend and the toe rag that caused it all was probably represented in court by legal aid. Doesn't make sense if you ask me. grumpyandopinionated
  • Score: 23

12:45pm Thu 23 Jan 14

plumbob says...

grumpyandopinionated wrote:
This is deffinatly the right outcome, however I think it was right that the case was brought to court as in the eyes of the law he had done wrong as in all fairness he chased the guy and he got "what he deserved" but the injuries were sustained while he was trying to detain the person. Just think what we would be saying if it was a police officer that did this whilst trying to arrest someone. There wouldn't be a chance in hell that a jury would convict him and niether would I.

It doesn't say what the thief got as a sentence for his wrong doing and I bet it wasn't much, but I bet he wont be stealing diesel again from there.

I can honestly say that I would have done exactly the same thing being targeted time and time again, trying to keep a business aflot and to have someone take from you what takes blood sweat and tears to earn. I'm sorry but more people need to dish out this kind of justice, after all whats a slap on the wrist going to solve. Ok we can't all go around giving people beatings but once in a while isn't too bad.

I know for a fact that around the abergavenny area and most rural areas that diesel theft is a problem and one that is a loosing battle for the police as they can't keep up regular patrols in these areas and the criminals know it.

So well done to Mr Woodhouse for what he achieved and also for getting the right result.
They were fined £75
[quote][p][bold]grumpyandopinionated[/bold] wrote: This is deffinatly the right outcome, however I think it was right that the case was brought to court as in the eyes of the law he had done wrong as in all fairness he chased the guy and he got "what he deserved" but the injuries were sustained while he was trying to detain the person. Just think what we would be saying if it was a police officer that did this whilst trying to arrest someone. There wouldn't be a chance in hell that a jury would convict him and niether would I. It doesn't say what the thief got as a sentence for his wrong doing and I bet it wasn't much, but I bet he wont be stealing diesel again from there. I can honestly say that I would have done exactly the same thing being targeted time and time again, trying to keep a business aflot and to have someone take from you what takes blood sweat and tears to earn. I'm sorry but more people need to dish out this kind of justice, after all whats a slap on the wrist going to solve. Ok we can't all go around giving people beatings but once in a while isn't too bad. I know for a fact that around the abergavenny area and most rural areas that diesel theft is a problem and one that is a loosing battle for the police as they can't keep up regular patrols in these areas and the criminals know it. So well done to Mr Woodhouse for what he achieved and also for getting the right result.[/p][/quote]They were fined £75 plumbob
  • Score: 7

12:50pm Thu 23 Jan 14

swrxp09 says...

Well done Mr Woodhouse but shame on BBC Radio Wales and in particular presenter Jason Mohammed this morning who gave the case shameful treatment for the cause of so called journalism .
Well done Mr Woodhouse but shame on BBC Radio Wales and in particular presenter Jason Mohammed this morning who gave the case shameful treatment for the cause of so called journalism . swrxp09
  • Score: 16

12:59pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Ian MacKinlay says...

In fining the man seventy-five pounds, no only was justice not done, nor was it seen to be done.

That is where we need to begin to see things being put right.
In fining the man seventy-five pounds, no only was justice not done, nor was it seen to be done. That is where we need to begin to see things being put right. Ian MacKinlay
  • Score: 14

1:22pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

Ian MacKinlay wrote:
In fining the man seventy-five pounds, no only was justice not done, nor was it seen to be done.

That is where we need to begin to see things being put right.
At least he had a good kicking.
No more than he deserved.
Juries often find in favour of the scumbag so this is refreshing.
Hope that will teach the low life scum a lesson.
Probably won't be going near Mr Woodhouse' property again.
The £75 fine as usual is a joke.
They won't learn from this, but they will learn from the beating.
[quote][p][bold]Ian MacKinlay[/bold] wrote: In fining the man seventy-five pounds, no only was justice not done, nor was it seen to be done. That is where we need to begin to see things being put right.[/p][/quote]At least he had a good kicking. No more than he deserved. Juries often find in favour of the scumbag so this is refreshing. Hope that will teach the low life scum a lesson. Probably won't be going near Mr Woodhouse' property again. The £75 fine as usual is a joke. They won't learn from this, but they will learn from the beating. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: 18

1:34pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Dai Rear says...

One hopes that the length of time it took the jury to decide might teach CPS a lesson; a definite non-runner which should never have gone beyond an advice file. But they are so terrified of single issue fanatics these days that their ability to exercise common sense is moribund....I hate to say it, but no help in that the last 2 Directors of Public Prosecutions (heads of the CPS) have been lefties. Indeed Starmer is reportedly" lined up" to be a socialist MP and MacDonald is a Social Democrat -Liberal peer.
I think it's called "Hampstead Rules"
One hopes that the length of time it took the jury to decide might teach CPS a lesson; a definite non-runner which should never have gone beyond an advice file. But they are so terrified of single issue fanatics these days that their ability to exercise common sense is moribund....I hate to say it, but no help in that the last 2 Directors of Public Prosecutions (heads of the CPS) have been lefties. Indeed Starmer is reportedly" lined up" to be a socialist MP and MacDonald is a Social Democrat -Liberal peer. I think it's called "Hampstead Rules" Dai Rear
  • Score: 16

1:37pm Thu 23 Jan 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

Excellent news - next time someone narks me off, I'll just break both their legs and claim they tried to mug me...

The ruling sets a dangerous precedent - no matter how much I agree with what he did (probably would have done the same myself tbh)
Excellent news - next time someone narks me off, I'll just break both their legs and claim they tried to mug me... The ruling sets a dangerous precedent - no matter how much I agree with what he did (probably would have done the same myself tbh) GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: -15

1:38pm Thu 23 Jan 14

phazel says...

I am pleased for Mr Woodhouse. All this must have been so awful for him.
(I had two vehicles stolen from my landscape business - one never found.)
The two culprits deserved a good beating - a £75 fine will not deter.
I am pleased for Mr Woodhouse. All this must have been so awful for him. (I had two vehicles stolen from my landscape business - one never found.) The two culprits deserved a good beating - a £75 fine will not deter. phazel
  • Score: 13

1:47pm Thu 23 Jan 14

rightsideup says...

What a waste of taxpayers money in bringing the prosecution in the first place!...........
What a waste of taxpayers money in bringing the prosecution in the first place!........... rightsideup
  • Score: 15

2:03pm Thu 23 Jan 14

ME_1965 says...

I think Mr Woodhouse should be made Chief Constable!!
I think Mr Woodhouse should be made Chief Constable!! ME_1965
  • Score: 11

2:06pm Thu 23 Jan 14

ME_1965 says...

I think Mr Woodhouse should be made Chief Constable..........o
r at least be given something for his time, in doing the job of the Police for them!!
I think Mr Woodhouse should be made Chief Constable..........o r at least be given something for his time, in doing the job of the Police for them!! ME_1965
  • Score: 10

3:43pm Thu 23 Jan 14

ExNewport says...

Is Mr Woodhouse entitled to any compensation front the police or whoever brought the prosecution after going though those 10 month of hell? And what about loss of earnings? I also think that the scumbags were lucky to come across someone as lenient as Mr Woodhouse, they could have come off a lot worse if then had run into someone else!!
Is Mr Woodhouse entitled to any compensation front the police or whoever brought the prosecution after going though those 10 month of hell? And what about loss of earnings? I also think that the scumbags were lucky to come across someone as lenient as Mr Woodhouse, they could have come off a lot worse if then had run into someone else!! ExNewport
  • Score: 11

4:11pm Thu 23 Jan 14

valleyboy44 says...

well il disagree with most comments on here hence although the guy were a victim of crime it doesnt state that he can take the law into his own hands and be found not guilty,he must of used some force for the culprits to substain such injuries.
well il disagree with most comments on here hence although the guy were a victim of crime it doesnt state that he can take the law into his own hands and be found not guilty,he must of used some force for the culprits to substain such injuries. valleyboy44
  • Score: -26

4:48pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Dai Rear says...

valleyboy44 wrote:
well il disagree with most comments on here hence although the guy were a victim of crime it doesnt state that he can take the law into his own hands and be found not guilty,he must of used some force for the culprits to substain such injuries.
Well Homer, we must be grateful that Marge was on the jury and not you. D'oh.
[quote][p][bold]valleyboy44[/bold] wrote: well il disagree with most comments on here hence although the guy were a victim of crime it doesnt state that he can take the law into his own hands and be found not guilty,he must of used some force for the culprits to substain such injuries.[/p][/quote]Well Homer, we must be grateful that Marge was on the jury and not you. D'oh. Dai Rear
  • Score: 11

4:55pm Thu 23 Jan 14

jimmysmith says...

swrxp09 wrote:
Well done Mr Woodhouse but shame on BBC Radio Wales and in particular presenter Jason Mohammed this morning who gave the case shameful treatment for the cause of so called journalism .
jason mohammed will never be the man andrew woodhouse is . hes just a cheap snidey reporter .working for the BBC a pedo protection agency .who listens to them or takes any notice of the propaganda they spew out. the BBC belong with the thieves in the gutter
[quote][p][bold]swrxp09[/bold] wrote: Well done Mr Woodhouse but shame on BBC Radio Wales and in particular presenter Jason Mohammed this morning who gave the case shameful treatment for the cause of so called journalism .[/p][/quote]jason mohammed will never be the man andrew woodhouse is . hes just a cheap snidey reporter .working for the BBC a pedo protection agency .who listens to them or takes any notice of the propaganda they spew out. the BBC belong with the thieves in the gutter jimmysmith
  • Score: 8

6:04pm Thu 23 Jan 14

GogExile says...

valleyboy44 wrote:
well il disagree with most comments on here hence although the guy were a victim of crime it doesnt state that he can take the law into his own hands and be found not guilty,he must of used some force for the culprits to substain such injuries.
Have you actually read about this case? It was him against two criminals who robbed him and when he gave chase they assaulted him. As Aesop's fable says, there's a difference between running for your lunch and running for your life. In this case, a hard working, tax paying contributor to society is far more motivated than the two cowardly, excuse driven parasites who he caught. Jury, take a bow
[quote][p][bold]valleyboy44[/bold] wrote: well il disagree with most comments on here hence although the guy were a victim of crime it doesnt state that he can take the law into his own hands and be found not guilty,he must of used some force for the culprits to substain such injuries.[/p][/quote]Have you actually read about this case? It was him against two criminals who robbed him and when he gave chase they assaulted him. As Aesop's fable says, there's a difference between running for your lunch and running for your life. In this case, a hard working, tax paying contributor to society is far more motivated than the two cowardly, excuse driven parasites who he caught. Jury, take a bow GogExile
  • Score: 15

6:56pm Thu 23 Jan 14

bangorian says...

bet mr woodhouse would have been found guilty if it had been in magistrates court and the baskets would have been awarded damages well done mate
bet mr woodhouse would have been found guilty if it had been in magistrates court and the baskets would have been awarded damages well done mate bangorian
  • Score: 5

12:13pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Jonnytrouble says...

robbie1401 wrote:
Jonnytrouble wrote:
The CPS and Gwent Police in that area wasting OUR tax payers money once again, who's' side are they on ? This is not the first time we have heard about them mucking things up in that area, I think the Police commissioner should investigate the force in Abergavenny and if those that can't do the job properly sack them !!!
Common sense has prevailed by the jury and Mr Woodhouse has seen the end of what must have been a very difficult period. However,don't critise the Police for doing their job, they don't decide who is guilty, that is uo to the court. They don't even decide on whether to charge a suspect, that is up to the Crown Prosecution Service. If you want to change the system to something similar to USA where a householder has the right to use deadly force, petition your MP
There are good Police officers and bad one's, you can't rem the ' thug ones ' in the Abergavenny force that pulled an old man with medical conditions from his car as he had failed to stop by the police after they forced him off the road and smashed in his windows, is that over reacting or what ? and I believe there still working there, maybe the same one's that attend to this crime ?
The Police commissioner needs to ' seak /weed ' out these incompetent officers that I the tax payer keeps in a job !
[quote][p][bold]robbie1401[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonnytrouble[/bold] wrote: The CPS and Gwent Police in that area wasting OUR tax payers money once again, who's' side are they on ? This is not the first time we have heard about them mucking things up in that area, I think the Police commissioner should investigate the force in Abergavenny and if those that can't do the job properly sack them !!![/p][/quote]Common sense has prevailed by the jury and Mr Woodhouse has seen the end of what must have been a very difficult period. However,don't critise the Police for doing their job, they don't decide who is guilty, that is uo to the court. They don't even decide on whether to charge a suspect, that is up to the Crown Prosecution Service. If you want to change the system to something similar to USA where a householder has the right to use deadly force, petition your MP[/p][/quote]There are good Police officers and bad one's, you can't rem the ' thug ones ' in the Abergavenny force that pulled an old man with medical conditions from his car as he had failed to stop by the police after they forced him off the road and smashed in his windows, is that over reacting or what ? and I believe there still working there, maybe the same one's that attend to this crime ? The Police commissioner needs to ' seak /weed ' out these incompetent officers that I the tax payer keeps in a job ! Jonnytrouble
  • Score: 2

12:06am Sat 25 Jan 14

sword of truth says...

valleyboy44 says...

well il disagree with most comments on here hence although the guy were a victim of crime it doesnt state that he can take the law into his own hands and be found not guilty,he must of used some force for the culprits to substain such injuries.

So depressing and predictable to read the Bear- Baiting, hang and flog em brigade comments, with the exception of the above.
These thieves, possibly, disadvantaged, or trying to feed children or elderly relatives on a Stalinist Social Welfare System, most certainly did not deserve such barbaric retribution. If the defendant or any of His many supporters think that this is the norm for acceptable behaviour, then we are staring into the abyss of vigilantyism and anarchy!
valleyboy44 says... well il disagree with most comments on here hence although the guy were a victim of crime it doesnt state that he can take the law into his own hands and be found not guilty,he must of used some force for the culprits to substain such injuries. So depressing and predictable to read the Bear- Baiting, hang and flog em brigade comments, with the exception of the above. These thieves, possibly, disadvantaged, or trying to feed children or elderly relatives on a Stalinist Social Welfare System, most certainly did not deserve such barbaric retribution. If the defendant or any of His many supporters think that this is the norm for acceptable behaviour, then we are staring into the abyss of vigilantyism and anarchy! sword of truth
  • Score: -6

7:41pm Sat 25 Jan 14

jimmysmith says...

sword of truth wrote:
valleyboy44 says...

well il disagree with most comments on here hence although the guy were a victim of crime it doesnt state that he can take the law into his own hands and be found not guilty,he must of used some force for the culprits to substain such injuries.

So depressing and predictable to read the Bear- Baiting, hang and flog em brigade comments, with the exception of the above.
These thieves, possibly, disadvantaged, or trying to feed children or elderly relatives on a Stalinist Social Welfare System, most certainly did not deserve such barbaric retribution. If the defendant or any of His many supporters think that this is the norm for acceptable behaviour, then we are staring into the abyss of vigilantyism and anarchy!
you should go and live by the vermin .you will defo change your mind then .i know this first hand .theres young mothers cannot go home because of them theres some vulnerable people to scared to leave theyre homes because of this filth .like zombies they are wandering around in the dark robbing hard working people .to spend the ill gotten gains on dope cheap tobacco and cider .dont comment rubbish on things you know nothing about .unless your one of the maggots or theyre mates from saint faiths .its a pity andrew didnt pit an end to the two of them as for abergavenny police its a pity they didnt have a few like andrew in theyre ranks instead of the posers and glorified traffic wardens they do have
[quote][p][bold]sword of truth[/bold] wrote: valleyboy44 says... well il disagree with most comments on here hence although the guy were a victim of crime it doesnt state that he can take the law into his own hands and be found not guilty,he must of used some force for the culprits to substain such injuries. So depressing and predictable to read the Bear- Baiting, hang and flog em brigade comments, with the exception of the above. These thieves, possibly, disadvantaged, or trying to feed children or elderly relatives on a Stalinist Social Welfare System, most certainly did not deserve such barbaric retribution. If the defendant or any of His many supporters think that this is the norm for acceptable behaviour, then we are staring into the abyss of vigilantyism and anarchy![/p][/quote]you should go and live by the vermin .you will defo change your mind then .i know this first hand .theres young mothers cannot go home because of them theres some vulnerable people to scared to leave theyre homes because of this filth .like zombies they are wandering around in the dark robbing hard working people .to spend the ill gotten gains on dope cheap tobacco and cider .dont comment rubbish on things you know nothing about .unless your one of the maggots or theyre mates from saint faiths .its a pity andrew didnt pit an end to the two of them as for abergavenny police its a pity they didnt have a few like andrew in theyre ranks instead of the posers and glorified traffic wardens they do have jimmysmith
  • Score: 4

9:18am Wed 29 Jan 14

Llanmartinangel says...

sword of truth wrote:
valleyboy44 says...

well il disagree with most comments on here hence although the guy were a victim of crime it doesnt state that he can take the law into his own hands and be found not guilty,he must of used some force for the culprits to substain such injuries.

So depressing and predictable to read the Bear- Baiting, hang and flog em brigade comments, with the exception of the above.
These thieves, possibly, disadvantaged, or trying to feed children or elderly relatives on a Stalinist Social Welfare System, most certainly did not deserve such barbaric retribution. If the defendant or any of His many supporters think that this is the norm for acceptable behaviour, then we are staring into the abyss of vigilantyism and anarchy!
We aren't living in some Victor Hugo novel. Scum like this steal because it's easier than having the nous or aspiration to earn if for themselves. They choose to take it from other people who did the work because they want it and they know that in the unlikely event of getting caught, let alone convicted, there is no sanction for theft or burglary in this country worthy of the harm it does. Frankly I wouldn't have cared if the owner had discharged a shotgun. They shouldn't have been there. End of.
[quote][p][bold]sword of truth[/bold] wrote: valleyboy44 says... well il disagree with most comments on here hence although the guy were a victim of crime it doesnt state that he can take the law into his own hands and be found not guilty,he must of used some force for the culprits to substain such injuries. So depressing and predictable to read the Bear- Baiting, hang and flog em brigade comments, with the exception of the above. These thieves, possibly, disadvantaged, or trying to feed children or elderly relatives on a Stalinist Social Welfare System, most certainly did not deserve such barbaric retribution. If the defendant or any of His many supporters think that this is the norm for acceptable behaviour, then we are staring into the abyss of vigilantyism and anarchy![/p][/quote]We aren't living in some Victor Hugo novel. Scum like this steal because it's easier than having the nous or aspiration to earn if for themselves. They choose to take it from other people who did the work because they want it and they know that in the unlikely event of getting caught, let alone convicted, there is no sanction for theft or burglary in this country worthy of the harm it does. Frankly I wouldn't have cared if the owner had discharged a shotgun. They shouldn't have been there. End of. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 4

9:28am Wed 29 Jan 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

sword of truth wrote:
valleyboy44 says...

well il disagree with most comments on here hence although the guy were a victim of crime it doesnt state that he can take the law into his own hands and be found not guilty,he must of used some force for the culprits to substain such injuries.

So depressing and predictable to read the Bear- Baiting, hang and flog em brigade comments, with the exception of the above.
These thieves, possibly, disadvantaged, or trying to feed children or elderly relatives on a Stalinist Social Welfare System, most certainly did not deserve such barbaric retribution. If the defendant or any of His many supporters think that this is the norm for acceptable behaviour, then we are staring into the abyss of vigilantyism and anarchy!
That's what I love about bleeding heart liberals, always on the side of the low life, until it happens to them or one of their family.
Notice that no mention is made of the totally unacceptable behaviour of the criminals, just lame excuses for their upbringing.
[quote][p][bold]sword of truth[/bold] wrote: valleyboy44 says... well il disagree with most comments on here hence although the guy were a victim of crime it doesnt state that he can take the law into his own hands and be found not guilty,he must of used some force for the culprits to substain such injuries. So depressing and predictable to read the Bear- Baiting, hang and flog em brigade comments, with the exception of the above. These thieves, possibly, disadvantaged, or trying to feed children or elderly relatives on a Stalinist Social Welfare System, most certainly did not deserve such barbaric retribution. If the defendant or any of His many supporters think that this is the norm for acceptable behaviour, then we are staring into the abyss of vigilantyism and anarchy![/p][/quote]That's what I love about bleeding heart liberals, always on the side of the low life, until it happens to them or one of their family. Notice that no mention is made of the totally unacceptable behaviour of the criminals, just lame excuses for their upbringing. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: 3

10:42am Wed 29 Jan 14

Stevenboy says...

sword of truth wrote:
valleyboy44 says...

well il disagree with most comments on here hence although the guy were a victim of crime it doesnt state that he can take the law into his own hands and be found not guilty,he must of used some force for the culprits to substain such injuries.

So depressing and predictable to read the Bear- Baiting, hang and flog em brigade comments, with the exception of the above.
These thieves, possibly, disadvantaged, or trying to feed children or elderly relatives on a Stalinist Social Welfare System, most certainly did not deserve such barbaric retribution. If the defendant or any of His many supporters think that this is the norm for acceptable behaviour, then we are staring into the abyss of vigilantyism and anarchy!
Only an idiot would refer to a welfare system which will pay out £26k tax free to people who've never worked, and disability benefits because you choose to be obese, a smack head or wino as 'Stalinist'. Grow up.
[quote][p][bold]sword of truth[/bold] wrote: valleyboy44 says... well il disagree with most comments on here hence although the guy were a victim of crime it doesnt state that he can take the law into his own hands and be found not guilty,he must of used some force for the culprits to substain such injuries. So depressing and predictable to read the Bear- Baiting, hang and flog em brigade comments, with the exception of the above. These thieves, possibly, disadvantaged, or trying to feed children or elderly relatives on a Stalinist Social Welfare System, most certainly did not deserve such barbaric retribution. If the defendant or any of His many supporters think that this is the norm for acceptable behaviour, then we are staring into the abyss of vigilantyism and anarchy![/p][/quote]Only an idiot would refer to a welfare system which will pay out £26k tax free to people who've never worked, and disability benefits because you choose to be obese, a smack head or wino as 'Stalinist'. Grow up. Stevenboy
  • Score: 4

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