Newport mobile phone robbers jailed for six years

JAILED: Daniel Fry, left and Steven James

JAILED: Daniel Fry, left and Steven James

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TWO thieves who robbed a man of his £20 mobile phone as he returned home have been jailed for a total of six years.

Steven James, 24, and Daniel Fry, 25, attacked Daniel Whalley in Newport on January 4, a court heard.

Mr Whalley passed out after Fry punched the 27-year-old and James choked him, Cardiff Crown Court heard.

James had been given a suspended jailed sentence in 2011 for a wounding offence against his father, which had also involved choking, prosecutor Ian Kolvin told the court.

Judge Neil Bidder, QC, handed James a four-year prison term while Fry was given a two-year sentence.

He told James: “You present a high risk of re-offending and a high risk to the public.” Mr Whalley came round not knowing how long he had been unconscious, Mr Kolvin told the court.

The pair had taken his keys, tobacco pouch and £20 Nokia phone, the prosecutor added.

Mr Whalley later picked out both defendants in an ID parade, the court heard.

James, of Hawthorne Avenue, Newport, and Fry, of Somerton Park, Newport, both pleaded guilty to the evening robbery in Somerton.

Fry had committed offences,including the possession of class A and class B drugs, but had none for violence, court records showed.

David Webster, mitigating for Fry, said that his client had gone out to celebrate on the day of the offence because his partner was pregnant and he had drunk too much alcohol.

Mr Webster added that the offence was “out of character” and he was remorseful for his actions.

Ben Waters, mitigating for James, said that his client had shown “a substantial amount of remorse” towards the victim and stressed the robbery had not been premeditated or planned.

Judge Bidder said the pair would have to serve half their sentences in custody before being released and ordered them to pay a £120 victim surcharge each.

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7:06am Wed 19 Feb 14

Captain Tripps says...

Flog them and double the sentences which should include hard labour . Vile scum . Remorseful ? Don't make me laugh . This pair will reoffend time and time again filth like this always do .
Flog them and double the sentences which should include hard labour . Vile scum . Remorseful ? Don't make me laugh . This pair will reoffend time and time again filth like this always do . Captain Tripps
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7:42am Wed 19 Feb 14

ncfcr says...

Captain Tripps wrote:
Flog them and double the sentences which should include hard labour . Vile scum . Remorseful ? Don't make me laugh . This pair will reoffend time and time again filth like this always do .
You can only rehabilitate people who want to be rehabilitated. My feeling is that by 24, you've already sewn the seeds of a life of crime (especially if you're violent) and people who turn things around are few and far between.

Our system needs to be capable of detecting these people when they are youth offenders, incarcarating them, and giving them some purpose in life at that age. If you can grip a 15 year old by the ears, slap him into shape, and give him a trade and a purpose in life, I do think you can change them for the better at that age. By 24, it's too late I'm afraid.
[quote][p][bold]Captain Tripps[/bold] wrote: Flog them and double the sentences which should include hard labour . Vile scum . Remorseful ? Don't make me laugh . This pair will reoffend time and time again filth like this always do .[/p][/quote]You can only rehabilitate people who want to be rehabilitated. My feeling is that by 24, you've already sewn the seeds of a life of crime (especially if you're violent) and people who turn things around are few and far between. Our system needs to be capable of detecting these people when they are youth offenders, incarcarating them, and giving them some purpose in life at that age. If you can grip a 15 year old by the ears, slap him into shape, and give him a trade and a purpose in life, I do think you can change them for the better at that age. By 24, it's too late I'm afraid. ncfcr
  • Score: 34

8:09am Wed 19 Feb 14

lisaj ball says...

Although I totally sympathize with the victims plight, I find it baffling that pedophiles are handed much lesser sentences.
Although I totally sympathize with the victims plight, I find it baffling that pedophiles are handed much lesser sentences. lisaj ball
  • Score: 17

9:47am Wed 19 Feb 14

Dolieboy says...

Did not know you could buy a Nokia for £20.
Did not know you could buy a Nokia for £20. Dolieboy
  • Score: -16

10:44am Wed 19 Feb 14

Dai Rear says...

lisaj ball wrote:
Although I totally sympathize with the victims plight, I find it baffling that pedophiles are handed much lesser sentences.
Child molesters (I think that's what you mean though you are actually referring to feet in some way or the other-pedophile=some
one who likes feet?) are given longer sentences than this. You can easily go inside never having molested a child but for having looked at horrible pictures-not necessarily even of children. So I think your fears are unfounded and that 2 years for robbery with violence is a joke.
[quote][p][bold]lisaj ball[/bold] wrote: Although I totally sympathize with the victims plight, I find it baffling that pedophiles are handed much lesser sentences.[/p][/quote]Child molesters (I think that's what you mean though you are actually referring to feet in some way or the other-pedophile=some one who likes feet?) are given longer sentences than this. You can easily go inside never having molested a child but for having looked at horrible pictures-not necessarily even of children. So I think your fears are unfounded and that 2 years for robbery with violence is a joke. Dai Rear
  • Score: 20

12:06pm Wed 19 Feb 14

br596799314 says...

you all know nothing about these boys lives or there personal struggles, what they did was wrong yes, but to say they cant be rehabillitated, how narrow minded its people like you that are scum! you dont know there stories or that one was an addict that has tried tirelessly to get himself help to better him self and been given no help. so please keep your uneducated, libelous, ill informed views to your selves.
you all know nothing about these boys lives or there personal struggles, what they did was wrong yes, but to say they cant be rehabillitated, how narrow minded its people like you that are scum! you dont know there stories or that one was an addict that has tried tirelessly to get himself help to better him self and been given no help. so please keep your uneducated, libelous, ill informed views to your selves. br596799314
  • Score: -63

12:09pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Jonnytrouble says...

Captain Tripps wrote:
Flog them and double the sentences which should include hard labour . Vile scum . Remorseful ? Don't make me laugh . This pair will reoffend time and time again filth like this always do .
Nice to see the pics of the scum that we have living amongst us....
Pity they will be out before long as they are having a laugh at the sentence. How lucky they are living in soft Britain, if it was China/Thailand or a few other Country's they would be executed...I would gladly do it if we had it here,,,,,scum bags !
[quote][p][bold]Captain Tripps[/bold] wrote: Flog them and double the sentences which should include hard labour . Vile scum . Remorseful ? Don't make me laugh . This pair will reoffend time and time again filth like this always do .[/p][/quote]Nice to see the pics of the scum that we have living amongst us.... Pity they will be out before long as they are having a laugh at the sentence. How lucky they are living in soft Britain, if it was China/Thailand or a few other Country's they would be executed...I would gladly do it if we had it here,,,,,scum bags ! Jonnytrouble
  • Score: 32

12:13pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Jonnytrouble says...

br596799314 wrote:
you all know nothing about these boys lives or there personal struggles, what they did was wrong yes, but to say they cant be rehabillitated, how narrow minded its people like you that are scum! you dont know there stories or that one was an addict that has tried tirelessly to get himself help to better him self and been given no help. so please keep your uneducated, libelous, ill informed views to your selves.
Rubbish ! lets hope next time someone is not seriously hurt or killed, a violent act WAS used !
[quote][p][bold]br596799314[/bold] wrote: you all know nothing about these boys lives or there personal struggles, what they did was wrong yes, but to say they cant be rehabillitated, how narrow minded its people like you that are scum! you dont know there stories or that one was an addict that has tried tirelessly to get himself help to better him self and been given no help. so please keep your uneducated, libelous, ill informed views to your selves.[/p][/quote]Rubbish ! lets hope next time someone is not seriously hurt or killed, a violent act WAS used ! Jonnytrouble
  • Score: 36

12:20pm Wed 19 Feb 14

br596799314 says...

next time?? maybe there wouldnt be a next time if people could get the help they needed? people do not and especially in the case become addicts for no reason, before commenting maybe toy should make sure you know all the fact surronded the people you are writing off. but i suppose Johnny trouble you are whiter than white
next time?? maybe there wouldnt be a next time if people could get the help they needed? people do not and especially in the case become addicts for no reason, before commenting maybe toy should make sure you know all the fact surronded the people you are writing off. but i suppose Johnny trouble you are whiter than white br596799314
  • Score: -39

12:25pm Wed 19 Feb 14

whatintheworld says...

br596799314 wrote:
you all know nothing about these boys lives or there personal struggles, what they did was wrong yes, but to say they cant be rehabillitated, how narrow minded its people like you that are scum! you dont know there stories or that one was an addict that has tried tirelessly to get himself help to better him self and been given no help. so please keep your uneducated, libelous, ill informed views to your selves.
that is why we have mitigation. it gives the defense the opportunity to air their clients "personal struggles". if those struggles are deemed serious enough, their reduced sentence will reflect that.

though I agree we need far more of a concentrated effort on rehabilitation.
[quote][p][bold]br596799314[/bold] wrote: you all know nothing about these boys lives or there personal struggles, what they did was wrong yes, but to say they cant be rehabillitated, how narrow minded its people like you that are scum! you dont know there stories or that one was an addict that has tried tirelessly to get himself help to better him self and been given no help. so please keep your uneducated, libelous, ill informed views to your selves.[/p][/quote]that is why we have mitigation. it gives the defense the opportunity to air their clients "personal struggles". if those struggles are deemed serious enough, their reduced sentence will reflect that. though I agree we need far more of a concentrated effort on rehabilitation. whatintheworld
  • Score: 9

12:28pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Jonnytrouble says...

br596799314 wrote:
next time?? maybe there wouldnt be a next time if people could get the help they needed? people do not and especially in the case become addicts for no reason, before commenting maybe toy should make sure you know all the fact surronded the people you are writing off. but i suppose Johnny trouble you are whiter than white
I am ' whiter than white 'as you quoted BUT are you ?
But as your a do gooder perhaps when they come out YOU could help them to become a good citizens ?
[quote][p][bold]br596799314[/bold] wrote: next time?? maybe there wouldnt be a next time if people could get the help they needed? people do not and especially in the case become addicts for no reason, before commenting maybe toy should make sure you know all the fact surronded the people you are writing off. but i suppose Johnny trouble you are whiter than white[/p][/quote]I am ' whiter than white 'as you quoted BUT are you ? But as your a do gooder perhaps when they come out YOU could help them to become a good citizens ? Jonnytrouble
  • Score: 23

12:32pm Wed 19 Feb 14

br596799314 says...

not when they have been advised to plead guilty to avoid trial and potentially longer sentences, it is unfair to say that people cant be rehabilitated becasue of there age when you dont know the full story, he has been given no help despite trying to get it, he wouldnt have done anything like this if he wasn't taking drugs, people should want to help others not write them off. if he had got the help he so tirelessly tried to get then this unfortunate event probably wouldnt have happened. of course i sympathise with the victim and this should not have happened but he is not the only victim here, these so called violent thugs who are dangers to our community are victime too victims of the system!
not when they have been advised to plead guilty to avoid trial and potentially longer sentences, it is unfair to say that people cant be rehabilitated becasue of there age when you dont know the full story, he has been given no help despite trying to get it, he wouldnt have done anything like this if he wasn't taking drugs, people should want to help others not write them off. if he had got the help he so tirelessly tried to get then this unfortunate event probably wouldnt have happened. of course i sympathise with the victim and this should not have happened but he is not the only victim here, these so called violent thugs who are dangers to our community are victime too victims of the system! br596799314
  • Score: -32

12:34pm Wed 19 Feb 14

br596799314 says...

lol johnny trouble your usernames suggests different grow up, act an adult
lol johnny trouble your usernames suggests different grow up, act an adult br596799314
  • Score: -23

12:41pm Wed 19 Feb 14

br596799314 says...

and further more i would help happily, because i know alot more about this story than you! and alot more about these peoples backgrounds than you! your out dated predjustice views dont help any one , if you dont have any thing nice to say than dont say anything!
and further more i would help happily, because i know alot more about this story than you! and alot more about these peoples backgrounds than you! your out dated predjustice views dont help any one , if you dont have any thing nice to say than dont say anything! br596799314
  • Score: -29

12:42pm Wed 19 Feb 14

whatintheworld says...

br596799314 wrote:
not when they have been advised to plead guilty to avoid trial and potentially longer sentences, it is unfair to say that people cant be rehabilitated becasue of there age when you dont know the full story, he has been given no help despite trying to get it, he wouldnt have done anything like this if he wasn't taking drugs, people should want to help others not write them off. if he had got the help he so tirelessly tried to get then this unfortunate event probably wouldnt have happened. of course i sympathise with the victim and this should not have happened but he is not the only victim here, these so called violent thugs who are dangers to our community are victime too victims of the system!
that's a fair reply. i've known plenty of people over the years who have "fallen in with the wrong crowd" and have ended up wasting any potential they had. however, you've got to have some level of personal responsibility.

you cannot absolve someone of guilt because they were pressured in to doing X Y Z by "friends".

i agree a lot more could be done to help young people afflicted with drug addiction, but it's not as if there is no help out there.

an appointed with a GP or charity, even a phone call could have pointed these chaps in the right direction.
[quote][p][bold]br596799314[/bold] wrote: not when they have been advised to plead guilty to avoid trial and potentially longer sentences, it is unfair to say that people cant be rehabilitated becasue of there age when you dont know the full story, he has been given no help despite trying to get it, he wouldnt have done anything like this if he wasn't taking drugs, people should want to help others not write them off. if he had got the help he so tirelessly tried to get then this unfortunate event probably wouldnt have happened. of course i sympathise with the victim and this should not have happened but he is not the only victim here, these so called violent thugs who are dangers to our community are victime too victims of the system![/p][/quote]that's a fair reply. i've known plenty of people over the years who have "fallen in with the wrong crowd" and have ended up wasting any potential they had. however, you've got to have some level of personal responsibility. you cannot absolve someone of guilt because they were pressured in to doing X Y Z by "friends". i agree a lot more could be done to help young people afflicted with drug addiction, but it's not as if there is no help out there. an appointed with a GP or charity, even a phone call could have pointed these chaps in the right direction. whatintheworld
  • Score: 16

12:44pm Wed 19 Feb 14

br596799314 says...

i am not saying they are not guilty i am simply saying people shouldnt write them off without knowing their backgrounds,

believe me there have been severall 'appointments' getting help is alot harder than people chose to believe.
i am not saying they are not guilty i am simply saying people shouldnt write them off without knowing their backgrounds, believe me there have been severall 'appointments' getting help is alot harder than people chose to believe. br596799314
  • Score: -18

12:46pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Jonnytrouble says...

br596799314 wrote:
lol johnny trouble your usernames suggests different grow up, act an adult
NO you grow up ! it seams to me you no of these people and maybe related to them ?
As regard to them asking for help and not getting it ?,then WHY did you not try from WHAT your saying they did not receive it ?
Come on now, to act the way they did in a violent way shows what they are capable of ?
OR can't you see that as you seam to have ' blinkers on '?
So I suggest once again as a challenge you help them when they are released then we can see if they will decent citizens around Newport ?
I have seen so many that do not if afraid to say
[quote][p][bold]br596799314[/bold] wrote: lol johnny trouble your usernames suggests different grow up, act an adult[/p][/quote]NO you grow up ! it seams to me you no of these people and maybe related to them ? As regard to them asking for help and not getting it ?,then WHY did you not try from WHAT your saying they did not receive it ? Come on now, to act the way they did in a violent way shows what they are capable of ? OR can't you see that as you seam to have ' blinkers on '? So I suggest once again as a challenge you help them when they are released then we can see if they will decent citizens around Newport ? I have seen so many that do not if afraid to say Jonnytrouble
  • Score: 18

12:54pm Wed 19 Feb 14

br596799314 says...

helping an addict is a lot harder than sitting down and talking to someone he needed professional help and couldnt get it!
and just because i do not share your outdated views does not mean that i am related to these people it simply means i live in the real world clearly you live a sheltered life and are oblivious to some peoples stuggles and the reasons for why they become court up in such situations. you clearly know nothing about this story
helping an addict is a lot harder than sitting down and talking to someone he needed professional help and couldnt get it! and just because i do not share your outdated views does not mean that i am related to these people it simply means i live in the real world clearly you live a sheltered life and are oblivious to some peoples stuggles and the reasons for why they become court up in such situations. you clearly know nothing about this story br596799314
  • Score: -21

12:59pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Captain Tripps says...

br596799314 wrote:
helping an addict is a lot harder than sitting down and talking to someone he needed professional help and couldnt get it!
and just because i do not share your outdated views does not mean that i am related to these people it simply means i live in the real world clearly you live a sheltered life and are oblivious to some peoples stuggles and the reasons for why they become court up in such situations. you clearly know nothing about this story
These views are not outdated . The majority of people are sick of these scum ruining normal peoples lives with their vile acts in order to feed their disgusting self inflicted habit . Your Left wing views mean nothing to the poor victims of these mindless filth . Flog them . Jail them . Throw away the key .
[quote][p][bold]br596799314[/bold] wrote: helping an addict is a lot harder than sitting down and talking to someone he needed professional help and couldnt get it! and just because i do not share your outdated views does not mean that i am related to these people it simply means i live in the real world clearly you live a sheltered life and are oblivious to some peoples stuggles and the reasons for why they become court up in such situations. you clearly know nothing about this story[/p][/quote]These views are not outdated . The majority of people are sick of these scum ruining normal peoples lives with their vile acts in order to feed their disgusting self inflicted habit . Your Left wing views mean nothing to the poor victims of these mindless filth . Flog them . Jail them . Throw away the key . Captain Tripps
  • Score: 31

1:00pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Dai Rear says...

br596799314 wrote:
you all know nothing about these boys lives or there personal struggles, what they did was wrong yes, but to say they cant be rehabillitated, how narrow minded its people like you that are scum! you dont know there stories or that one was an addict that has tried tirelessly to get himself help to better him self and been given no help. so please keep your uneducated, libelous, ill informed views to your selves.
On the contrary we know their lives are empty, they are violent drunkards. They give no joy nor do they ever feel it. They are the violent criminal underclass. Believe me madam, that's all anyone needs to know.
You might mention to your little chum when you visit him next month in chokey that the only way to give up taking filthy drugs is to...GIVE UP. It's not "their" fault, for "not helping him" How many times must we hear apologists like you who can't concede that if a man is a vile brute that's what he is, a vile brute.
[quote][p][bold]br596799314[/bold] wrote: you all know nothing about these boys lives or there personal struggles, what they did was wrong yes, but to say they cant be rehabillitated, how narrow minded its people like you that are scum! you dont know there stories or that one was an addict that has tried tirelessly to get himself help to better him self and been given no help. so please keep your uneducated, libelous, ill informed views to your selves.[/p][/quote]On the contrary we know their lives are empty, they are violent drunkards. They give no joy nor do they ever feel it. They are the violent criminal underclass. Believe me madam, that's all anyone needs to know. You might mention to your little chum when you visit him next month in chokey that the only way to give up taking filthy drugs is to...GIVE UP. It's not "their" fault, for "not helping him" How many times must we hear apologists like you who can't concede that if a man is a vile brute that's what he is, a vile brute. Dai Rear
  • Score: 30

1:09pm Wed 19 Feb 14

br596799314 says...

slef inflicted habbit? again your narrow mindedness coming through, what about the people that have ruined these two peices of 'scums' lives? its a vicious circle and i am not for one second excusing what they have done of course not, all am saying is that you are wrong to write them off and are wrong to make ill informed opinions of these two people with out knowing anything about them.
lets just write of anyone who has had a troubled a life, lets lock up everyone who has ever made a mistake and throw away the key? thats the wrong attitude to have. people should want to help others, god forbid you ever make a mistake or you ever need help.
slef inflicted habbit? again your narrow mindedness coming through, what about the people that have ruined these two peices of 'scums' lives? its a vicious circle and i am not for one second excusing what they have done of course not, all am saying is that you are wrong to write them off and are wrong to make ill informed opinions of these two people with out knowing anything about them. lets just write of anyone who has had a troubled a life, lets lock up everyone who has ever made a mistake and throw away the key? thats the wrong attitude to have. people should want to help others, god forbid you ever make a mistake or you ever need help. br596799314
  • Score: -19

1:12pm Wed 19 Feb 14

br596799314 says...

chum? here you go proving that all you are doing is making assumtions i dont know these people i just wouldnt write them off like you are.

and further more how do you know their parents dont work? you dont you are all just making assumtions! .
chum? here you go proving that all you are doing is making assumtions i dont know these people i just wouldnt write them off like you are. and further more how do you know their parents dont work? you dont you are all just making assumtions! . br596799314
  • Score: -22

1:13pm Wed 19 Feb 14

br596799314 says...

didnt your parents teach you that if you had nothing nice to say then to say nothing?..... maybe your parents should be held accountable for there bad parenting........
didnt your parents teach you that if you had nothing nice to say then to say nothing?..... maybe your parents should be held accountable for there bad parenting........ br596799314
  • Score: -20

1:20pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Katie Re-Registered says...

Whilst four years and two years seems relatively harsh for robbery, I think the judge is also taking into account the extreme violence which was perpertrated against the victim here. The report tells us that the victim was actually beaten so severely that he ended up unconscious - and as a consequence we also do not know what else the attackers might have done to their victim within that time. Personal problems - whether they involve drug addictions, sexual or violent urges are obviously difficult for some people to overcome. However, it is no excuse for acting on them by assaulting another human being. How many times has this happened and the victim has died or suffered severe brain damage? I suspect the psychological scars of such an assault will stay with the victim for the rest of his life - so his attackers still got off lightly by comparison as there's no reprieve for him.
Whilst four years and two years seems relatively harsh for robbery, I think the judge is also taking into account the extreme violence which was perpertrated against the victim here. The report tells us that the victim was actually beaten so severely that he ended up unconscious - and as a consequence we also do not know what else the attackers might have done to their victim within that time. Personal problems - whether they involve drug addictions, sexual or violent urges are obviously difficult for some people to overcome. However, it is no excuse for acting on them by assaulting another human being. How many times has this happened and the victim has died or suffered severe brain damage? I suspect the psychological scars of such an assault will stay with the victim for the rest of his life - so his attackers still got off lightly by comparison as there's no reprieve for him. Katie Re-Registered
  • Score: 26

1:22pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Llanmartinangel says...

br596799314 wrote:
didnt your parents teach you that if you had nothing nice to say then to say nothing?..... maybe your parents should be held accountable for there bad parenting........
I think my parents taught me not to be a smack-head and attack people and steal from them while drunk. As for 'saying something nice' these are not the sort of characters people say nice things about. If they knew that what they were doing was wrong when they did it, and you know they did, then they deserve all the bad things headed their way. Which is right.
[quote][p][bold]br596799314[/bold] wrote: didnt your parents teach you that if you had nothing nice to say then to say nothing?..... maybe your parents should be held accountable for there bad parenting........[/p][/quote]I think my parents taught me not to be a smack-head and attack people and steal from them while drunk. As for 'saying something nice' these are not the sort of characters people say nice things about. If they knew that what they were doing was wrong when they did it, and you know they did, then they deserve all the bad things headed their way. Which is right. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 21

1:25pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Captain Tripps says...

br596799314 wrote:
slef inflicted habbit? again your narrow mindedness coming through, what about the people that have ruined these two peices of 'scums' lives? its a vicious circle and i am not for one second excusing what they have done of course not, all am saying is that you are wrong to write them off and are wrong to make ill informed opinions of these two people with out knowing anything about them.
lets just write of anyone who has had a troubled a life, lets lock up everyone who has ever made a mistake and throw away the key? thats the wrong attitude to have. people should want to help others, god forbid you ever make a mistake or you ever need help.
What about the poor lad who was minding his own business before being set upon by this scum ? They didn't make a mistake they DELIBRATELY attacked him . Wrapping these 2 filth in cotton wool is precisely what is wrong with this country .
[quote][p][bold]br596799314[/bold] wrote: slef inflicted habbit? again your narrow mindedness coming through, what about the people that have ruined these two peices of 'scums' lives? its a vicious circle and i am not for one second excusing what they have done of course not, all am saying is that you are wrong to write them off and are wrong to make ill informed opinions of these two people with out knowing anything about them. lets just write of anyone who has had a troubled a life, lets lock up everyone who has ever made a mistake and throw away the key? thats the wrong attitude to have. people should want to help others, god forbid you ever make a mistake or you ever need help.[/p][/quote]What about the poor lad who was minding his own business before being set upon by this scum ? They didn't make a mistake they DELIBRATELY attacked him . Wrapping these 2 filth in cotton wool is precisely what is wrong with this country . Captain Tripps
  • Score: 23

1:25pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Dai Rear says...

br596799314 wrote:
didnt your parents teach you that if you had nothing nice to say then to say nothing?..... maybe your parents should be held accountable for there bad parenting........
And yours tell you that when you find yourself in a hole, quit digging?
[quote][p][bold]br596799314[/bold] wrote: didnt your parents teach you that if you had nothing nice to say then to say nothing?..... maybe your parents should be held accountable for there bad parenting........[/p][/quote]And yours tell you that when you find yourself in a hole, quit digging? Dai Rear
  • Score: 14

1:34pm Wed 19 Feb 14

br596799314 says...

and why would i be finding my self in a hole? ?? forgive me but for a moment there i thought we were in the school yard,

I have not for one moment said that condone what these two have done, they committed a terrible act.
all i have said it that people should not write others off with out knowing any thing about them.

unlike others on here who have just made assumtions not only about the criminals but also their families? people are wrong to do so.
and why would i be finding my self in a hole? ?? forgive me but for a moment there i thought we were in the school yard, I have not for one moment said that condone what these two have done, they committed a terrible act. all i have said it that people should not write others off with out knowing any thing about them. unlike others on here who have just made assumtions not only about the criminals but also their families? people are wrong to do so. br596799314
  • Score: -21

1:40pm Wed 19 Feb 14

br596799314 says...

Captain Tripps? for the umpteenth time i am not saying that what they did was not wrong and of course i feel for the victim!

my point is that we all know relativley nothing about this? and also if they were able to get help with a drug problem that they had tried to ge,t would this have happened?

of course they will need to accept some level of personal responsibility , but sometimes people find them selves in a bad place in their lives and they need help.....

who are we to say that theese people would not change if they were given the help they needed?
Captain Tripps? for the umpteenth time i am not saying that what they did was not wrong and of course i feel for the victim! my point is that we all know relativley nothing about this? and also if they were able to get help with a drug problem that they had tried to ge,t would this have happened? of course they will need to accept some level of personal responsibility , but sometimes people find them selves in a bad place in their lives and they need help..... who are we to say that theese people would not change if they were given the help they needed? br596799314
  • Score: -16

1:47pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Jonnytrouble says...

br596799314 wrote:
slef inflicted habbit? again your narrow mindedness coming through, what about the people that have ruined these two peices of 'scums' lives? its a vicious circle and i am not for one second excusing what they have done of course not, all am saying is that you are wrong to write them off and are wrong to make ill informed opinions of these two people with out knowing anything about them.
lets just write of anyone who has had a troubled a life, lets lock up everyone who has ever made a mistake and throw away the key? thats the wrong attitude to have. people should want to help others, god forbid you ever make a mistake or you ever need help.
You must belong to a very good Church ?
Social service's might need you as well ?
Blind to the fact a guy was beaten up,, left for dead in the gutter !
Hope it never happens to you or a relative or friend of yours from the comments your giving on here...
[quote][p][bold]br596799314[/bold] wrote: slef inflicted habbit? again your narrow mindedness coming through, what about the people that have ruined these two peices of 'scums' lives? its a vicious circle and i am not for one second excusing what they have done of course not, all am saying is that you are wrong to write them off and are wrong to make ill informed opinions of these two people with out knowing anything about them. lets just write of anyone who has had a troubled a life, lets lock up everyone who has ever made a mistake and throw away the key? thats the wrong attitude to have. people should want to help others, god forbid you ever make a mistake or you ever need help.[/p][/quote]You must belong to a very good Church ? Social service's might need you as well ? Blind to the fact a guy was beaten up,, left for dead in the gutter ! Hope it never happens to you or a relative or friend of yours from the comments your giving on here... Jonnytrouble
  • Score: 10

1:54pm Wed 19 Feb 14

whatintheworld says...

from what i can see, the main difference between commentors here and br596799314, is that most would lock this pair up and "throw away the key". whereas br596799314 thinks there is a chance they could turn their lives around and change.

honestly, i'm inclined to agree with br596799314.

locking the two up and keeping there may make us feel better, but at the end of the day it costs A LOT of money to keep them incarcerated. cheaper to try and rehabilitate them.
from what i can see, the main difference between commentors here and br596799314, is that most would lock this pair up and "throw away the key". whereas br596799314 thinks there is a chance they could turn their lives around and change. honestly, i'm inclined to agree with br596799314. locking the two up and keeping there may make us feel better, but at the end of the day it costs A LOT of money to keep them incarcerated. cheaper to try and rehabilitate them. whatintheworld
  • Score: -8

1:59pm Wed 19 Feb 14

robertce says...

What also frightens me is this scum is breeding and can't control himself some parent he is going to be, god help the child.
What also frightens me is this scum is breeding and can't control himself some parent he is going to be, god help the child. robertce
  • Score: 18

2:14pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Dai Rear says...

" and also if they were able to get help with a drug problem that they had tried to ge,t would this have happened?

who are we to say that theese people would not change if they were given the help they needed?"
No, no, no. It is NOT "their" fault for not providing "help".
As long as people like you trot out this platitude the criminal underclass will be happy to use it as a stick to beat normal working people. If you have dealings with them, aren't you aware of the way they parrot all the platitudes from pre sentence reports? They're better at the blame game than you. Take a deep breath. If either of these creatures had ever wanted to pursue a normal existence he would have done. The criminal is a pure atavist; he's from a primitive era of which you, I and a legion of Probation Officers know not. It's true whether you want to believe it or not.
" and also if they were able to get help with a drug problem that they had tried to ge,t would this have happened? who are we to say that theese people would not change if they were given the help they needed?" No, no, no. It is NOT "their" fault for not providing "help". As long as people like you trot out this platitude the criminal underclass will be happy to use it as a stick to beat normal working people. If you have dealings with them, aren't you aware of the way they parrot all the platitudes from pre sentence reports? They're better at the blame game than you. Take a deep breath. If either of these creatures had ever wanted to pursue a normal existence he would have done. The criminal is a pure atavist; he's from a primitive era of which you, I and a legion of Probation Officers know not. It's true whether you want to believe it or not. Dai Rear
  • Score: 13

10:19pm Wed 19 Feb 14

huccaby says...

Extraordinary how many correspondents want to respond to this violence with violence and then criticise these unpleasant men for being violent. Let's try to break the loop.....
Extraordinary how many correspondents want to respond to this violence with violence and then criticise these unpleasant men for being violent. Let's try to break the loop..... huccaby
  • Score: -9

10:55pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Mwy Eira says...

I have a relative who was mugged in very much similar circumstances. I have absolutely no sympathy for these vile thugs. My relative also had a tough early life but he didn't resort to violently mugging people, drugs etc. With this vile sort of scum it is always someone else's fault and 'woa is me, please understand I've had a hard life' crap. Sorry but I will never understand why someone who mugs someone for their mobile phone and then proceeds to kick nine tonnes of s**t out of the poor victim. Mindless animals.
I have a relative who was mugged in very much similar circumstances. I have absolutely no sympathy for these vile thugs. My relative also had a tough early life but he didn't resort to violently mugging people, drugs etc. With this vile sort of scum it is always someone else's fault and 'woa is me, please understand I've had a hard life' crap. Sorry but I will never understand why someone who mugs someone for their mobile phone and then proceeds to kick nine tonnes of s**t out of the poor victim. Mindless animals. Mwy Eira
  • Score: 12

11:01pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Mwy Eira says...

whatintheworld wrote:
from what i can see, the main difference between commentors here and br596799314, is that most would lock this pair up and "throw away the key". whereas br596799314 thinks there is a chance they could turn their lives around and change.

honestly, i'm inclined to agree with br596799314.

locking the two up and keeping there may make us feel better, but at the end of the day it costs A LOT of money to keep them incarcerated. cheaper to try and rehabilitate them.
" Make us feel better" - yes it would as we would be safe in knowledge that they couldn't do it again for a long time. It as much about public safety as punishment. Do we really want these thugs on the streets of Newport. Er, no thanks!!!
[quote][p][bold]whatintheworld[/bold] wrote: from what i can see, the main difference between commentors here and br596799314, is that most would lock this pair up and "throw away the key". whereas br596799314 thinks there is a chance they could turn their lives around and change. honestly, i'm inclined to agree with br596799314. locking the two up and keeping there may make us feel better, but at the end of the day it costs A LOT of money to keep them incarcerated. cheaper to try and rehabilitate them.[/p][/quote]" Make us feel better" - yes it would as we would be safe in knowledge that they couldn't do it again for a long time. It as much about public safety as punishment. Do we really want these thugs on the streets of Newport. Er, no thanks!!! Mwy Eira
  • Score: 9

7:14am Thu 20 Feb 14

Dai Rear says...

Mwy Eira wrote:
whatintheworld wrote:
from what i can see, the main difference between commentors here and br596799314, is that most would lock this pair up and "throw away the key". whereas br596799314 thinks there is a chance they could turn their lives around and change.

honestly, i'm inclined to agree with br596799314.

locking the two up and keeping there may make us feel better, but at the end of the day it costs A LOT of money to keep them incarcerated. cheaper to try and rehabilitate them.
" Make us feel better" - yes it would as we would be safe in knowledge that they couldn't do it again for a long time. It as much about public safety as punishment. Do we really want these thugs on the streets of Newport. Er, no thanks!!!
Yes. This is serious crime. The fact that it's been undersentenced doesn't detract from that. It is, thank God, relatively rare. So, it is a perfectly acceptable view to say that the rare violent criminal should be locked up for many years so that we shall be safe. Sentences of 20 years, all to be served, might even have a deterrent effect, though I wouldn't push that argument. These 2 men could only be rehabilitated if they gave up all their social contacts and started over. Otherwise they will, of course, relapse. I couldn't give up my social contacts and survive and I'm a normal working person. Do you, whatintheworld, believe these 2 are made of stronger stuff than normal people and if so, why?
[quote][p][bold]Mwy Eira[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whatintheworld[/bold] wrote: from what i can see, the main difference between commentors here and br596799314, is that most would lock this pair up and "throw away the key". whereas br596799314 thinks there is a chance they could turn their lives around and change. honestly, i'm inclined to agree with br596799314. locking the two up and keeping there may make us feel better, but at the end of the day it costs A LOT of money to keep them incarcerated. cheaper to try and rehabilitate them.[/p][/quote]" Make us feel better" - yes it would as we would be safe in knowledge that they couldn't do it again for a long time. It as much about public safety as punishment. Do we really want these thugs on the streets of Newport. Er, no thanks!!![/p][/quote]Yes. This is serious crime. The fact that it's been undersentenced doesn't detract from that. It is, thank God, relatively rare. So, it is a perfectly acceptable view to say that the rare violent criminal should be locked up for many years so that we shall be safe. Sentences of 20 years, all to be served, might even have a deterrent effect, though I wouldn't push that argument. These 2 men could only be rehabilitated if they gave up all their social contacts and started over. Otherwise they will, of course, relapse. I couldn't give up my social contacts and survive and I'm a normal working person. Do you, whatintheworld, believe these 2 are made of stronger stuff than normal people and if so, why? Dai Rear
  • Score: 7

9:21am Thu 20 Feb 14

Llanmartinangel says...

robertce wrote:
What also frightens me is this scum is breeding and can't control himself some parent he is going to be, god help the child.
That's the even bigger crime here. You only have to glance at Jeremy Kyle's TV programme to see that there is a whole underclass of uncontrollable feral scum who earn their living bringing kids into the world to perpetuate the cycle. Depressing thought.
[quote][p][bold]robertce[/bold] wrote: What also frightens me is this scum is breeding and can't control himself some parent he is going to be, god help the child.[/p][/quote]That's the even bigger crime here. You only have to glance at Jeremy Kyle's TV programme to see that there is a whole underclass of uncontrollable feral scum who earn their living bringing kids into the world to perpetuate the cycle. Depressing thought. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 10

12:36pm Thu 20 Feb 14

whatintheworld says...

Dai Rear wrote:
Mwy Eira wrote:
whatintheworld wrote: from what i can see, the main difference between commentors here and br596799314, is that most would lock this pair up and "throw away the key". whereas br596799314 thinks there is a chance they could turn their lives around and change. honestly, i'm inclined to agree with br596799314. locking the two up and keeping there may make us feel better, but at the end of the day it costs A LOT of money to keep them incarcerated. cheaper to try and rehabilitate them.
" Make us feel better" - yes it would as we would be safe in knowledge that they couldn't do it again for a long time. It as much about public safety as punishment. Do we really want these thugs on the streets of Newport. Er, no thanks!!!
Yes. This is serious crime. The fact that it's been undersentenced doesn't detract from that. It is, thank God, relatively rare. So, it is a perfectly acceptable view to say that the rare violent criminal should be locked up for many years so that we shall be safe. Sentences of 20 years, all to be served, might even have a deterrent effect, though I wouldn't push that argument. These 2 men could only be rehabilitated if they gave up all their social contacts and started over. Otherwise they will, of course, relapse. I couldn't give up my social contacts and survive and I'm a normal working person. Do you, whatintheworld, believe these 2 are made of stronger stuff than normal people and if so, why?
honestly, its more likely they'll reoffend. BUT, if we took that attitude with every criminal, it would become a self-fulfilling prophecy.

it might be a bit wet, but i think most people deserve a second chance - these included
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mwy Eira[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whatintheworld[/bold] wrote: from what i can see, the main difference between commentors here and br596799314, is that most would lock this pair up and "throw away the key". whereas br596799314 thinks there is a chance they could turn their lives around and change. honestly, i'm inclined to agree with br596799314. locking the two up and keeping there may make us feel better, but at the end of the day it costs A LOT of money to keep them incarcerated. cheaper to try and rehabilitate them.[/p][/quote]" Make us feel better" - yes it would as we would be safe in knowledge that they couldn't do it again for a long time. It as much about public safety as punishment. Do we really want these thugs on the streets of Newport. Er, no thanks!!![/p][/quote]Yes. This is serious crime. The fact that it's been undersentenced doesn't detract from that. It is, thank God, relatively rare. So, it is a perfectly acceptable view to say that the rare violent criminal should be locked up for many years so that we shall be safe. Sentences of 20 years, all to be served, might even have a deterrent effect, though I wouldn't push that argument. These 2 men could only be rehabilitated if they gave up all their social contacts and started over. Otherwise they will, of course, relapse. I couldn't give up my social contacts and survive and I'm a normal working person. Do you, whatintheworld, believe these 2 are made of stronger stuff than normal people and if so, why?[/p][/quote]honestly, its more likely they'll reoffend. BUT, if we took that attitude with every criminal, it would become a self-fulfilling prophecy. it might be a bit wet, but i think most people deserve a second chance - these included whatintheworld
  • Score: -5

3:45pm Thu 20 Feb 14

whatintheworld says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
robertce wrote: What also frightens me is this scum is breeding and can't control himself some parent he is going to be, god help the child.
That's the even bigger crime here. You only have to glance at Jeremy Kyle's TV programme to see that there is a whole underclass of uncontrollable feral scum who earn their living bringing kids into the world to perpetuate the cycle. Depressing thought.
i think i recall a programme that was designed to stop an underclass (under-men as they were known at the time) from reproducing. it was called the final something. the 1940s seem to ring a bell
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]robertce[/bold] wrote: What also frightens me is this scum is breeding and can't control himself some parent he is going to be, god help the child.[/p][/quote]That's the even bigger crime here. You only have to glance at Jeremy Kyle's TV programme to see that there is a whole underclass of uncontrollable feral scum who earn their living bringing kids into the world to perpetuate the cycle. Depressing thought.[/p][/quote]i think i recall a programme that was designed to stop an underclass (under-men as they were known at the time) from reproducing. it was called the final something. the 1940s seem to ring a bell whatintheworld
  • Score: -2

4:01pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Dai Rear says...

whatintheworld wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
robertce wrote: What also frightens me is this scum is breeding and can't control himself some parent he is going to be, god help the child.
That's the even bigger crime here. You only have to glance at Jeremy Kyle's TV programme to see that there is a whole underclass of uncontrollable feral scum who earn their living bringing kids into the world to perpetuate the cycle. Depressing thought.
i think i recall a programme that was designed to stop an underclass (under-men as they were known at the time) from reproducing. it was called the final something. the 1940s seem to ring a bell
Untermensch actually; literally "subhuman". You lose. The first lefty who alludes to the Nazis because she's run out of coherent argument always loses the game.
[quote][p][bold]whatintheworld[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]robertce[/bold] wrote: What also frightens me is this scum is breeding and can't control himself some parent he is going to be, god help the child.[/p][/quote]That's the even bigger crime here. You only have to glance at Jeremy Kyle's TV programme to see that there is a whole underclass of uncontrollable feral scum who earn their living bringing kids into the world to perpetuate the cycle. Depressing thought.[/p][/quote]i think i recall a programme that was designed to stop an underclass (under-men as they were known at the time) from reproducing. it was called the final something. the 1940s seem to ring a bell[/p][/quote]Untermensch actually; literally "subhuman". You lose. The first lefty who alludes to the Nazis because she's run out of coherent argument always loses the game. Dai Rear
  • Score: 4

4:09pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Dai Rear says...

"honestly, its more likely they'll reoffend. BUT, if we took that attitude with every criminal, it would become a self-fulfilling prophecy.

it might be a bit wet, but i think most people deserve a second chance - these included"
"Every criminal" well clearly no ("life tariffs" are legal and appropriate). Certainly, as to the non-violent criminal give them a chance to prove I'm wrong. But violent criminals? We proscribe certain dogs because of their propensity to hurt the innocent. Would you "un-proscribe" them and say "OK the odd baby may be mauled to death but it's a chance worth taking"?
"honestly, its more likely they'll reoffend. BUT, if we took that attitude with every criminal, it would become a self-fulfilling prophecy. it might be a bit wet, but i think most people deserve a second chance - these included" "Every criminal" well clearly no ("life tariffs" are legal and appropriate). Certainly, as to the non-violent criminal give them a chance to prove I'm wrong. But violent criminals? We proscribe certain dogs because of their propensity to hurt the innocent. Would you "un-proscribe" them and say "OK the odd baby may be mauled to death but it's a chance worth taking"? Dai Rear
  • Score: 2

4:45pm Thu 20 Feb 14

whatintheworld says...

Dai Rear wrote:
whatintheworld wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
robertce wrote: What also frightens me is this scum is breeding and can't control himself some parent he is going to be, god help the child.
That's the even bigger crime here. You only have to glance at Jeremy Kyle's TV programme to see that there is a whole underclass of uncontrollable feral scum who earn their living bringing kids into the world to perpetuate the cycle. Depressing thought.
i think i recall a programme that was designed to stop an underclass (under-men as they were known at the time) from reproducing. it was called the final something. the 1940s seem to ring a bell
Untermensch actually; literally "subhuman". You lose. The first lefty who alludes to the Nazis because she's run out of coherent argument always loses the game.
i am aware of this arguement, but my comment is relevant and have certainly not run out of coherent arguements so have no truck with busting out the nazis here.

regarding your dog comment - some dogs are naturally inclined to be aggressive, its what theyve been bred over 100s of years for. all four breeds of dog on the banned breeds list (Pit Bull Terrier, Japanese Tosa, Dogo Argentino and Fila Braziliero) were specifically bred to hunt, fight or bait large animals such as bears. it is in these animal's DNA to be aggressive. so no, i would not allow people to own these dogs.

whether you believe that some people are born evil is up to you, but as a species, i think we're a little more complicated than that. it is far more likely that circumstances and environment drove these two to crime, and there is still the chance that circumstances and environment will turn them away from crime.

a dog bred to fight bears will always have the capacity to be aggressive. people change.
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whatintheworld[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]robertce[/bold] wrote: What also frightens me is this scum is breeding and can't control himself some parent he is going to be, god help the child.[/p][/quote]That's the even bigger crime here. You only have to glance at Jeremy Kyle's TV programme to see that there is a whole underclass of uncontrollable feral scum who earn their living bringing kids into the world to perpetuate the cycle. Depressing thought.[/p][/quote]i think i recall a programme that was designed to stop an underclass (under-men as they were known at the time) from reproducing. it was called the final something. the 1940s seem to ring a bell[/p][/quote]Untermensch actually; literally "subhuman". You lose. The first lefty who alludes to the Nazis because she's run out of coherent argument always loses the game.[/p][/quote]i am aware of this arguement, but my comment is relevant and have certainly not run out of coherent arguements so have no truck with busting out the nazis here. regarding your dog comment - some dogs are naturally inclined to be aggressive, its what theyve been bred over 100s of years for. all four breeds of dog on the banned breeds list (Pit Bull Terrier, Japanese Tosa, Dogo Argentino and Fila Braziliero) were specifically bred to hunt, fight or bait large animals such as bears. it is in these animal's DNA to be aggressive. so no, i would not allow people to own these dogs. whether you believe that some people are born evil is up to you, but as a species, i think we're a little more complicated than that. it is far more likely that circumstances and environment drove these two to crime, and there is still the chance that circumstances and environment will turn them away from crime. a dog bred to fight bears will always have the capacity to be aggressive. people change. whatintheworld
  • Score: -1

4:57pm Thu 20 Feb 14

CynicalAndJaded says...

"David Webster, mitigating for Fry, said that his client had gone out to celebrate on the day of the offence because his partner was pregnant and he had drunk too much alcohol. "

Seriously? How many times do we have to read the old "I was drunk" excuse for mindless violence?
If alcohol is involved, then double the sentence. It might make them think twice about drinking excessively in future.
As it is, these worthless pieces of filth have got off lightly. Again.
"David Webster, mitigating for Fry, said that his client had gone out to celebrate on the day of the offence because his partner was pregnant and he had drunk too much alcohol. " Seriously? How many times do we have to read the old "I was drunk" excuse for mindless violence? If alcohol is involved, then double the sentence. It might make them think twice about drinking excessively in future. As it is, these worthless pieces of filth have got off lightly. Again. CynicalAndJaded
  • Score: 4

9:14pm Thu 20 Feb 14

angela123456789 says...

in answer to all your filthy comments the only scumbags re u who think u no everything about everything and no nothing i am the mother of steven james and very proud to be so. unfortunatly for u low lifes who havent got anything better to do than play with computers all day we all work in this family so this will be a brief message to all of u get a hobby do some exercise as your body needs more than a finger workout or even a job unfortunatly opinions are like **** holes every body got one
in answer to all your filthy comments the only scumbags re u who think u no everything about everything and no nothing i am the mother of steven james and very proud to be so. unfortunatly for u low lifes who havent got anything better to do than play with computers all day we all work in this family so this will be a brief message to all of u get a hobby do some exercise as your body needs more than a finger workout or even a job unfortunatly opinions are like **** holes every body got one angela123456789
  • Score: -10

11:48pm Thu 20 Feb 14

cymruamblyth says...

br596799314 wrote:
slef inflicted habbit? again your narrow mindedness coming through, what about the people that have ruined these two peices of 'scums' lives? its a vicious circle and i am not for one second excusing what they have done of course not, all am saying is that you are wrong to write them off and are wrong to make ill informed opinions of these two people with out knowing anything about them.
lets just write of anyone who has had a troubled a life, lets lock up everyone who has ever made a mistake and throw away the key? thats the wrong attitude to have. people should want to help others, god forbid you ever make a mistake or you ever need help.
slef inflicted habbit? Talk about a comedy of errors! Do you mean "Self inflicted habit" You contradict yourself so much I don't know where to beginning.. And there NOT BOYS they are adults 24 and 25, Jesus Wept!
[quote][p][bold]br596799314[/bold] wrote: slef inflicted habbit? again your narrow mindedness coming through, what about the people that have ruined these two peices of 'scums' lives? its a vicious circle and i am not for one second excusing what they have done of course not, all am saying is that you are wrong to write them off and are wrong to make ill informed opinions of these two people with out knowing anything about them. lets just write of anyone who has had a troubled a life, lets lock up everyone who has ever made a mistake and throw away the key? thats the wrong attitude to have. people should want to help others, god forbid you ever make a mistake or you ever need help.[/p][/quote]slef inflicted habbit? Talk about a comedy of errors! Do you mean "Self inflicted habit" You contradict yourself so much I don't know where to beginning.. And there NOT BOYS they are adults 24 and 25, Jesus Wept! cymruamblyth
  • Score: 7

9:12am Fri 21 Feb 14

Llanmartinangel says...

angela123456789 wrote:
in answer to all your filthy comments the only scumbags re u who think u no everything about everything and no nothing i am the mother of steven james and very proud to be so. unfortunatly for u low lifes who havent got anything better to do than play with computers all day we all work in this family so this will be a brief message to all of u get a hobby do some exercise as your body needs more than a finger workout or even a job unfortunatly opinions are like **** holes every body got one
Which of your sons achievements are you most proud of? Attacking his father? Drug addiction? Or mugging some poor bloke for a £20 mobile? Not exactly full of aspiration for him then.
[quote][p][bold]angela123456789[/bold] wrote: in answer to all your filthy comments the only scumbags re u who think u no everything about everything and no nothing i am the mother of steven james and very proud to be so. unfortunatly for u low lifes who havent got anything better to do than play with computers all day we all work in this family so this will be a brief message to all of u get a hobby do some exercise as your body needs more than a finger workout or even a job unfortunatly opinions are like **** holes every body got one[/p][/quote]Which of your sons achievements are you most proud of? Attacking his father? Drug addiction? Or mugging some poor bloke for a £20 mobile? Not exactly full of aspiration for him then. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 12

12:12pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Jonnytrouble says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
angela123456789 wrote:
in answer to all your filthy comments the only scumbags re u who think u no everything about everything and no nothing i am the mother of steven james and very proud to be so. unfortunatly for u low lifes who havent got anything better to do than play with computers all day we all work in this family so this will be a brief message to all of u get a hobby do some exercise as your body needs more than a finger workout or even a job unfortunatly opinions are like **** holes every body got one
Which of your sons achievements are you most proud of? Attacking his father? Drug addiction? Or mugging some poor bloke for a £20 mobile? Not exactly full of aspiration for him then.
Shows what the illiterate person is bring up scum from scum, love the contradiction too about computers, did NOT stop her too..LOL
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angela123456789[/bold] wrote: in answer to all your filthy comments the only scumbags re u who think u no everything about everything and no nothing i am the mother of steven james and very proud to be so. unfortunatly for u low lifes who havent got anything better to do than play with computers all day we all work in this family so this will be a brief message to all of u get a hobby do some exercise as your body needs more than a finger workout or even a job unfortunatly opinions are like **** holes every body got one[/p][/quote]Which of your sons achievements are you most proud of? Attacking his father? Drug addiction? Or mugging some poor bloke for a £20 mobile? Not exactly full of aspiration for him then.[/p][/quote]Shows what the illiterate person is bring up scum from scum, love the contradiction too about computers, did NOT stop her too..LOL Jonnytrouble
  • Score: 18

12:22pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Captain Tripps says...

angela123456789 wrote:
in answer to all your filthy comments the only scumbags re u who think u no everything about everything and no nothing i am the mother of steven james and very proud to be so. unfortunatly for u low lifes who havent got anything better to do than play with computers all day we all work in this family so this will be a brief message to all of u get a hobby do some exercise as your body needs more than a finger workout or even a job unfortunatly opinions are like **** holes every body got one
What a fine example you set . I can see where he gets it from .
[quote][p][bold]angela123456789[/bold] wrote: in answer to all your filthy comments the only scumbags re u who think u no everything about everything and no nothing i am the mother of steven james and very proud to be so. unfortunatly for u low lifes who havent got anything better to do than play with computers all day we all work in this family so this will be a brief message to all of u get a hobby do some exercise as your body needs more than a finger workout or even a job unfortunatly opinions are like **** holes every body got one[/p][/quote]What a fine example you set . I can see where he gets it from . Captain Tripps
  • Score: 16

7:38pm Sun 23 Feb 14

Mwy Eira says...

whatintheworld wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
Mwy Eira wrote:
whatintheworld wrote: from what i can see, the main difference between commentors here and br596799314, is that most would lock this pair up and "throw away the key". whereas br596799314 thinks there is a chance they could turn their lives around and change. honestly, i'm inclined to agree with br596799314. locking the two up and keeping there may make us feel better, but at the end of the day it costs A LOT of money to keep them incarcerated. cheaper to try and rehabilitate them.
" Make us feel better" - yes it would as we would be safe in knowledge that they couldn't do it again for a long time. It as much about public safety as punishment. Do we really want these thugs on the streets of Newport. Er, no thanks!!!
Yes. This is serious crime. The fact that it's been undersentenced doesn't detract from that. It is, thank God, relatively rare. So, it is a perfectly acceptable view to say that the rare violent criminal should be locked up for many years so that we shall be safe. Sentences of 20 years, all to be served, might even have a deterrent effect, though I wouldn't push that argument. These 2 men could only be rehabilitated if they gave up all their social contacts and started over. Otherwise they will, of course, relapse. I couldn't give up my social contacts and survive and I'm a normal working person. Do you, whatintheworld, believe these 2 are made of stronger stuff than normal people and if so, why?
honestly, its more likely they'll reoffend. BUT, if we took that attitude with every criminal, it would become a self-fulfilling prophecy.

it might be a bit wet, but i think most people deserve a second chance - these included
A second chance ? I am all for giving them a second chance once they have done their sentence and hopefully it'll give them the kick up the jacksy that they need to be decent human beings.
[quote][p][bold]whatintheworld[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mwy Eira[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whatintheworld[/bold] wrote: from what i can see, the main difference between commentors here and br596799314, is that most would lock this pair up and "throw away the key". whereas br596799314 thinks there is a chance they could turn their lives around and change. honestly, i'm inclined to agree with br596799314. locking the two up and keeping there may make us feel better, but at the end of the day it costs A LOT of money to keep them incarcerated. cheaper to try and rehabilitate them.[/p][/quote]" Make us feel better" - yes it would as we would be safe in knowledge that they couldn't do it again for a long time. It as much about public safety as punishment. Do we really want these thugs on the streets of Newport. Er, no thanks!!![/p][/quote]Yes. This is serious crime. The fact that it's been undersentenced doesn't detract from that. It is, thank God, relatively rare. So, it is a perfectly acceptable view to say that the rare violent criminal should be locked up for many years so that we shall be safe. Sentences of 20 years, all to be served, might even have a deterrent effect, though I wouldn't push that argument. These 2 men could only be rehabilitated if they gave up all their social contacts and started over. Otherwise they will, of course, relapse. I couldn't give up my social contacts and survive and I'm a normal working person. Do you, whatintheworld, believe these 2 are made of stronger stuff than normal people and if so, why?[/p][/quote]honestly, its more likely they'll reoffend. BUT, if we took that attitude with every criminal, it would become a self-fulfilling prophecy. it might be a bit wet, but i think most people deserve a second chance - these included[/p][/quote]A second chance ? I am all for giving them a second chance once they have done their sentence and hopefully it'll give them the kick up the jacksy that they need to be decent human beings. Mwy Eira
  • Score: 1

7:44pm Sun 23 Feb 14

Mwy Eira says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
angela123456789 wrote:
in answer to all your filthy comments the only scumbags re u who think u no everything about everything and no nothing i am the mother of steven james and very proud to be so. unfortunatly for u low lifes who havent got anything better to do than play with computers all day we all work in this family so this will be a brief message to all of u get a hobby do some exercise as your body needs more than a finger workout or even a job unfortunatly opinions are like **** holes every body got one
Which of your sons achievements are you most proud of? Attacking his father? Drug addiction? Or mugging some poor bloke for a £20 mobile? Not exactly full of aspiration for him then.
My thoughts exactly. And not once does she mention the real victim that her son throttled and left for dead. Why does that surprise me? I also think you'll find that most of the people on here do work and lead decent lives and don't go around violently attacking people. We also don't usually go in for being verbally abusive to other posters on here which incidently is against the site's terms and conditions and the only reason I haven't reported it is so everyone on the planet can see what sort of family he comes from.
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angela123456789[/bold] wrote: in answer to all your filthy comments the only scumbags re u who think u no everything about everything and no nothing i am the mother of steven james and very proud to be so. unfortunatly for u low lifes who havent got anything better to do than play with computers all day we all work in this family so this will be a brief message to all of u get a hobby do some exercise as your body needs more than a finger workout or even a job unfortunatly opinions are like **** holes every body got one[/p][/quote]Which of your sons achievements are you most proud of? Attacking his father? Drug addiction? Or mugging some poor bloke for a £20 mobile? Not exactly full of aspiration for him then.[/p][/quote]My thoughts exactly. And not once does she mention the real victim that her son throttled and left for dead. Why does that surprise me? I also think you'll find that most of the people on here do work and lead decent lives and don't go around violently attacking people. We also don't usually go in for being verbally abusive to other posters on here which incidently is against the site's terms and conditions and the only reason I haven't reported it is so everyone on the planet can see what sort of family he comes from. Mwy Eira
  • Score: 6

7:54am Mon 24 Feb 14

Dai Rear says...

Mwy Eira wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
angela123456789 wrote:
in answer to all your filthy comments the only scumbags re u who think u no everything about everything and no nothing i am the mother of steven james and very proud to be so. unfortunatly for u low lifes who havent got anything better to do than play with computers all day we all work in this family so this will be a brief message to all of u get a hobby do some exercise as your body needs more than a finger workout or even a job unfortunatly opinions are like **** holes every body got one
Which of your sons achievements are you most proud of? Attacking his father? Drug addiction? Or mugging some poor bloke for a £20 mobile? Not exactly full of aspiration for him then.
My thoughts exactly. And not once does she mention the real victim that her son throttled and left for dead. Why does that surprise me? I also think you'll find that most of the people on here do work and lead decent lives and don't go around violently attacking people. We also don't usually go in for being verbally abusive to other posters on here which incidently is against the site's terms and conditions and the only reason I haven't reported it is so everyone on the planet can see what sort of family he comes from.
I suspect she had my comments, which were jokey ,as whatinteworld will confirm, deleted because she is a very sensitive flower. So there we have it. If I'm wrong perhaps the South Wales Argus' Resident Deities will step down from their roaring clouds and say why I was deleted.
[quote][p][bold]Mwy Eira[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angela123456789[/bold] wrote: in answer to all your filthy comments the only scumbags re u who think u no everything about everything and no nothing i am the mother of steven james and very proud to be so. unfortunatly for u low lifes who havent got anything better to do than play with computers all day we all work in this family so this will be a brief message to all of u get a hobby do some exercise as your body needs more than a finger workout or even a job unfortunatly opinions are like **** holes every body got one[/p][/quote]Which of your sons achievements are you most proud of? Attacking his father? Drug addiction? Or mugging some poor bloke for a £20 mobile? Not exactly full of aspiration for him then.[/p][/quote]My thoughts exactly. And not once does she mention the real victim that her son throttled and left for dead. Why does that surprise me? I also think you'll find that most of the people on here do work and lead decent lives and don't go around violently attacking people. We also don't usually go in for being verbally abusive to other posters on here which incidently is against the site's terms and conditions and the only reason I haven't reported it is so everyone on the planet can see what sort of family he comes from.[/p][/quote]I suspect she had my comments, which were jokey ,as whatinteworld will confirm, deleted because she is a very sensitive flower. So there we have it. If I'm wrong perhaps the South Wales Argus' Resident Deities will step down from their roaring clouds and say why I was deleted. Dai Rear
  • Score: 2

12:56pm Tue 25 Feb 14

ollie72 says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
angela123456789 wrote: in answer to all your filthy comments the only scumbags re u who think u no everything about everything and no nothing i am the mother of steven james and very proud to be so. unfortunatly for u low lifes who havent got anything better to do than play with computers all day we all work in this family so this will be a brief message to all of u get a hobby do some exercise as your body needs more than a finger workout or even a job unfortunatly opinions are like **** holes every body got one
Which of your sons achievements are you most proud of? Attacking his father? Drug addiction? Or mugging some poor bloke for a £20 mobile? Not exactly full of aspiration for him then.
I don't often agree with Llanmartinangel, but in this case I can think of no better words to use than his response.

Well said!
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angela123456789[/bold] wrote: in answer to all your filthy comments the only scumbags re u who think u no everything about everything and no nothing i am the mother of steven james and very proud to be so. unfortunatly for u low lifes who havent got anything better to do than play with computers all day we all work in this family so this will be a brief message to all of u get a hobby do some exercise as your body needs more than a finger workout or even a job unfortunatly opinions are like **** holes every body got one[/p][/quote]Which of your sons achievements are you most proud of? Attacking his father? Drug addiction? Or mugging some poor bloke for a £20 mobile? Not exactly full of aspiration for him then.[/p][/quote]I don't often agree with Llanmartinangel, but in this case I can think of no better words to use than his response. Well said! ollie72
  • Score: 4

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