‘Desperate’ Newport dad applies for more than 600 jobs - but has no luck

PLEASE GIVE ME A CHANCE: David Green, from Newport, is unable to get a job after hundreds of applications

PLEASE GIVE ME A CHANCE: David Green, from Newport, is unable to get a job after hundreds of applications

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A NEWPORT father who has applied for more than 600 jobs in the last year is still out of work despite years of experience – and saying he is willing to do anything.

Now David Green has contacted the Argus to issue a plea to our readers, saying he is a “desperate man” in need of a job. The 40-year-old has had a tough 12 months.

He said: “I’ve never known a year like it.”

Mr Green has sent out some 150 applications in 2014 alone and hundreds more over the last year. One recruitment site he uses has logged 672 applications in the last 12 months.

In that time Mr Green has secured several temporary jobs totalling to around three months employment. He has been called for interview, but said the feedback he was getting was that competition was too great.

Mr Green’s daily routine begins with trawling through recruitment websites and sending off applications. He then looks to send any speculative applications, before checking back into the job sites in the afternoon. He applies to anything between three and 20 jobs in a day.

He said: “It’s just trying anything you can. You have to get past the barrier of recruitment agencies.

“I’ve never had trouble getting work before.”

Mr Green moved to Wales three years ago in order to be closer to his daughter following the break-up of a relationship. Since moving, he has had only temporary work, despite a CV full of experience and training.

“When money gets tight, the temps are the first to go,” he said.

His last proper job ended in January 2013 when he was working as a document controller for an engineering design consultancy based in Cardiff, on a £100 million project.

Prior to this Mr Green was a civil engineer, having started out as a labourer on building sites and worked his way up.

But in 2008, the Construction Skills Certification Scheme was introduced to the construction industry – meaning that workers like Mr Green who had trained without the proper qualification, were penalised.

“I didn’t have the £2,500 or the two years to spare for the course,” said Mr Green.

Moving to another area is not an option for the father, who said being close to his daughter is not something he is willing to give up.

Mr Green said he is applying for anything- he just wants to earn a living.

“I’m hard-working. I’m reliable.

“I just need a chance to prove what I can do.”

If you think Mr Green could work for you, you can contact him on davidgreen313@hotmail.com The plea comes despite unemployment in Wales dropping to below the UK average, according to new figures published yesterday.

The Newport-based Office for National Statistics said 105,259 people in Wales were out of work between October and December 2013, a rate of 7.1 per cent. That’s compared to 7.2 per cent for the UK overall, and is down on October-December 2012, when the Welsh rate was 8.6 per cent.

It is the first time since 2009 that the unemployment rate in Wales has fallen to below the overall UK rate.

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9:54am Thu 20 Feb 14

Milkmanofhumankindness says...

In times like these the few jobs available tend to be low pay or low hours or both and the better jobs are only advertised, nepotism is rife.
Don’t blame yourself the system has failed not you.
The coalition government of today are letting our youth fall through the cracks in our culture.
and older experienced people are also totally ignored.
The austerity cuts that are little more than a union bashing exercise (Thatcher phase2)
has led us to this situation where people don’t matter and the easy hire and fire laws now in place is an attempt to stop worker organisation.
Our councils when planning regeneration of their towns should stop wasting money on such things as statues on roundabouts and start regenerating people.


The Army is launching a £3m recruitment campaign aimed at boosting both the regular and reserve forces and this is after severe cuts! Now they want cut price soldiers. This is the Tory response to unemployment, working poor and zero hours.
A poll commissioned by the Army to mark the campaign's launch suggested that 23% of people were not satisfied with their current career.When asked what was missing 30% said a decent salary; 27% said excellent training and personal development; 25% said a challenging and exciting role; 35% said UK and overseas travel; and 18% said getting paid while getting qualifications.
The research, carried out by OnePoll, surveyed 2,000 people in December 2013.

Cameron We are a very wealthy nation,and money is no object, thats why we have Food Banks on every corner, and 500K people relying on the Red Cross!

Of course it must be the fault of immigrants or Labour (says the Ukip nutters)


Good Luck David I hope things improve for you soon.
In times like these the few jobs available tend to be low pay or low hours or both and the better jobs are only advertised, nepotism is rife. Don’t blame yourself the system has failed not you. The coalition government of today are letting our youth fall through the cracks in our culture. and older experienced people are also totally ignored. The austerity cuts that are little more than a union bashing exercise (Thatcher phase2) has led us to this situation where people don’t matter and the easy hire and fire laws now in place is an attempt to stop worker organisation. Our councils when planning regeneration of their towns should stop wasting money on such things as statues on roundabouts and start regenerating people. The Army is launching a £3m recruitment campaign aimed at boosting both the regular and reserve forces and this is after severe cuts! Now they want cut price soldiers. This is the Tory response to unemployment, working poor and zero hours. A poll commissioned by the Army to mark the campaign's launch suggested that 23% of people were not satisfied with their current career.When asked what was missing 30% said a decent salary; 27% said excellent training and personal development; 25% said a challenging and exciting role; 35% said UK and overseas travel; and 18% said getting paid while getting qualifications. The research, carried out by OnePoll, surveyed 2,000 people in December 2013. Cameron We are a very wealthy nation,and money is no object, thats why we have Food Banks on every corner, and 500K people relying on the Red Cross! Of course it must be the fault of immigrants or Labour (says the Ukip nutters) Good Luck David I hope things improve for you soon. Milkmanofhumankindness
  • Score: 62

11:22am Thu 20 Feb 14

Griff boy says...

Why does he say recruitment agencies are a barrier? I work in a place where many of the workers started as agency temps and have been given permanent contracts. Some been in the jobs years after starting through agency.....no barrier there!!
Why does he say recruitment agencies are a barrier? I work in a place where many of the workers started as agency temps and have been given permanent contracts. Some been in the jobs years after starting through agency.....no barrier there!! Griff boy
  • Score: 5

12:20pm Thu 20 Feb 14

robrat41 says...

This must be the " hope " the Cameron twit was wittering on about yesterday
This must be the " hope " the Cameron twit was wittering on about yesterday robrat41
  • Score: 0

12:22pm Thu 20 Feb 14

robrat41 says...

I took 3 mock cscs test on line a week to see wht they were like. passed them 100% each time.
I then did the exams in a mobile test centre. cost less that £150 including the cost of getting the physical card.
I took 3 mock cscs test on line a week to see wht they were like. passed them 100% each time. I then did the exams in a mobile test centre. cost less that £150 including the cost of getting the physical card. robrat41
  • Score: 7

12:23pm Thu 20 Feb 14

robrat41 says...

Mock tests can be found here.

http://constructionc
ardmocktest.com/cscs
-mock-test-online.ht
ml
Mock tests can be found here. http://constructionc ardmocktest.com/cscs -mock-test-online.ht ml robrat41
  • Score: 8

12:34pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Can't find a username says...

Thank you milkman for your kind comments.

To Griff Boy, without wanting to enter a debate on the issue I was just saying that with the overwhelming majority of vacancies being advertised via recruitment agencies, who I'm sure get inundated with applications for each opportunity, you very rarely get a reply to jobs you've applied for. I just couldn't be certain, under those circumstances that my CV was getting in front of employers for the positions they advertise, many of which I am more than suitable for and.or capable of. Hence why I took the unusual decision to contact the Argus. It's just an attempt to try and bypass that possible barrier.
Thank you milkman for your kind comments. To Griff Boy, without wanting to enter a debate on the issue I was just saying that with the overwhelming majority of vacancies being advertised via recruitment agencies, who I'm sure get inundated with applications for each opportunity, you very rarely get a reply to jobs you've applied for. I just couldn't be certain, under those circumstances that my CV was getting in front of employers for the positions they advertise, many of which I am more than suitable for and.or capable of. Hence why I took the unusual decision to contact the Argus. It's just an attempt to try and bypass that possible barrier. Can't find a username
  • Score: 47

12:39pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Can't find a username says...

robrat, hi - aside from the fact that £150 is a huge amount of money to me right now, because of the supervisory and management roles I was doing at the time, I would have needed a supervisor's or manager's card, which are NVQ based. A simple entry level site safety CSCS wouldn't have been adequate.
robrat, hi - aside from the fact that £150 is a huge amount of money to me right now, because of the supervisory and management roles I was doing at the time, I would have needed a supervisor's or manager's card, which are NVQ based. A simple entry level site safety CSCS wouldn't have been adequate. Can't find a username
  • Score: 27

12:44pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Magor says...

Talking to one of my suppliers last week who told me how busy he was around Bristol and Southern England,but nothing going on in South Wales.
Talking to one of my suppliers last week who told me how busy he was around Bristol and Southern England,but nothing going on in South Wales. Magor
  • Score: 0

12:57pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Katie Re-Registered says...

I hope Mr Green finds a job very soon. When I was unemployed for a year I applied for around 200 jobs: about 60 per cent of places didn't answer, but I was lucky enough to get seven interviews out of this. 600 rejections though really does take the biscuit and it must be very disheartening, particularly for someone as experienced as this gentleman. Unfortunately, in many cases although a job vacancy is advertised the firm/organisation knows full well that they have already got someone whom they've decided will fill it anyway. So, even if you get called interview the whole process is a pretence; a total sham which simply needs to be affected in order to be seen to comply superficially with laws which state that job vacancies must be advertised.
I hope Mr Green finds a job very soon. When I was unemployed for a year I applied for around 200 jobs: about 60 per cent of places didn't answer, but I was lucky enough to get seven interviews out of this. 600 rejections though really does take the biscuit and it must be very disheartening, particularly for someone as experienced as this gentleman. Unfortunately, in many cases although a job vacancy is advertised the firm/organisation knows full well that they have already got someone whom they've decided will fill it anyway. So, even if you get called interview the whole process is a pretence; a total sham which simply needs to be affected in order to be seen to comply superficially with laws which state that job vacancies must be advertised. Katie Re-Registered
  • Score: 27

1:02pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Can't find a username says...

I've applied for a few jobs in Bristol, almost without exception the first thing I get asked is "How do you feel about travelling over the bridge?" The impression I get is that, even though it's only twenty or so miles away, people are reluctant to hire staff from this side of the water.

I had one interview there last summer and the feedback was they were "very impressed with my experience and attitude but unfortunately there was someone with similar experience who was more local"
I've applied for a few jobs in Bristol, almost without exception the first thing I get asked is "How do you feel about travelling over the bridge?" The impression I get is that, even though it's only twenty or so miles away, people are reluctant to hire staff from this side of the water. I had one interview there last summer and the feedback was they were "very impressed with my experience and attitude but unfortunately there was someone with similar experience who was more local" Can't find a username
  • Score: 27

1:10pm Thu 20 Feb 14

MooseCraftsman says...

Fair play to you for sticking to it David. I hope someone gives you a chance sooner rather than later. Very best of luck to you and I hope the Argus update this story when you get the job you so clearly deserve.

P.S When will we get an Argus mobile responsive site? It's taken me nearly an hour to write this post ;0)
Fair play to you for sticking to it David. I hope someone gives you a chance sooner rather than later. Very best of luck to you and I hope the Argus update this story when you get the job you so clearly deserve. P.S When will we get an Argus mobile responsive site? It's taken me nearly an hour to write this post ;0) MooseCraftsman
  • Score: 9

1:13pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Spinflight says...

I feel for Mr Green as recruitment agencies can be a genuine barrier to anything but low paid jobs.

The reason is simple, they prefer candidates who are already in work. The recruitment industry relies upon positions opening up and therefore being the first to know that x is moving on from y gives them a chance at contacting their original company ( y ) to hawk their services.

Also someone moving jobs will likely be looking for an increase in salary, which increases the commission the agents get. You will never know whether your CV has actually made it to the employer's desk.

It is a bad situation to be in however I wish you the best of luck.

www.ukipnewport.com
I feel for Mr Green as recruitment agencies can be a genuine barrier to anything but low paid jobs. The reason is simple, they prefer candidates who are already in work. The recruitment industry relies upon positions opening up and therefore being the first to know that x is moving on from y gives them a chance at contacting their original company ( y ) to hawk their services. Also someone moving jobs will likely be looking for an increase in salary, which increases the commission the agents get. You will never know whether your CV has actually made it to the employer's desk. It is a bad situation to be in however I wish you the best of luck. www.ukipnewport.com Spinflight
  • Score: -43

1:25pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Magor says...

Can't find a username wrote:
I've applied for a few jobs in Bristol, almost without exception the first thing I get asked is "How do you feel about travelling over the bridge?" The impression I get is that, even though it's only twenty or so miles away, people are reluctant to hire staff from this side of the water.

I had one interview there last summer and the feedback was they were "very impressed with my experience and attitude but unfortunately there was someone with similar experience who was more local"
I have always worked in Bristol along with many other from Wales,you only need to look at the traffic on the Bridges in a morning.So as long as you don't want your prospective employer to pay the toll I don't see it as a problem.
[quote][p][bold]Can't find a username[/bold] wrote: I've applied for a few jobs in Bristol, almost without exception the first thing I get asked is "How do you feel about travelling over the bridge?" The impression I get is that, even though it's only twenty or so miles away, people are reluctant to hire staff from this side of the water. I had one interview there last summer and the feedback was they were "very impressed with my experience and attitude but unfortunately there was someone with similar experience who was more local"[/p][/quote]I have always worked in Bristol along with many other from Wales,you only need to look at the traffic on the Bridges in a morning.So as long as you don't want your prospective employer to pay the toll I don't see it as a problem. Magor
  • Score: 1

1:36pm Thu 20 Feb 14

welshmen says...

Milkmanofhumankindne
ss
wrote:
In times like these the few jobs available tend to be low pay or low hours or both and the better jobs are only advertised, nepotism is rife.
Don’t blame yourself the system has failed not you.
The coalition government of today are letting our youth fall through the cracks in our culture.
and older experienced people are also totally ignored.
The austerity cuts that are little more than a union bashing exercise (Thatcher phase2)
has led us to this situation where people don’t matter and the easy hire and fire laws now in place is an attempt to stop worker organisation.
Our councils when planning regeneration of their towns should stop wasting money on such things as statues on roundabouts and start regenerating people.


The Army is launching a £3m recruitment campaign aimed at boosting both the regular and reserve forces and this is after severe cuts! Now they want cut price soldiers. This is the Tory response to unemployment, working poor and zero hours.
A poll commissioned by the Army to mark the campaign's launch suggested that 23% of people were not satisfied with their current career.When asked what was missing 30% said a decent salary; 27% said excellent training and personal development; 25% said a challenging and exciting role; 35% said UK and overseas travel; and 18% said getting paid while getting qualifications.
The research, carried out by OnePoll, surveyed 2,000 people in December 2013.

Cameron We are a very wealthy nation,and money is no object, thats why we have Food Banks on every corner, and 500K people relying on the Red Cross!

Of course it must be the fault of immigrants or Labour (says the Ukip nutters)


Good Luck David I hope things improve for you soon.
UKIP NUTTERS Blame IMMIGRANTS, or LABOUR you got some of that right.

Can't you man up and except some blame on behalf of St Blair and your traitorous Labour Party, or are you completely brainwashed to believe that the Labour Government did NO wrong, are you in your own little world as you accuse me and others as to MISS the point altogether. just look at today's News Rebekah Brooks and St Blair the Traitor....

First off I don't support UKIP, but I would prefer them in Power to Red Labour, how do your feel on this, UKIP have stated that they would join your Labour party or the Conservative party to form the next British Government, for you information I support the British National Party on most of it's Policies, also I don't blame immigrants for coming to our Country after all it is the best Country in the World and pays the best Benefits, It's a well know fact or do you only want what you think posted to be real, the fact is the Labour Government encouraged MASS immigration and is still growing, along with thousands of bogus asylum seekers.

Mass immigration was intended to create Multiculturalism and get rid of the Britishness, or as Labour MP Jack Straw said "the English are not worth saving as a race" multiculturalism has failed catastrophically, but that on it's own is not the problem but has not helped, the Bankers lost a lot of our money, that didn't help, we are in Wars that don't concern this Country, started by your Labour Government that don't help, the hourly wage has been brought down by flooding the labour market, in the Construction Industry the hourly wage has dropped, if you have a couple of kids and a mortgage it's not easy to maintain your standard of living. same as in other work places.

This Government have continually depleted our Armed forces, they expect less Soldiers to do their bidding to popularise their time in Government and get re-elected, they do nothing to address the Bankers gambling losses.

Labour with the Unions rely on members money, Conservatives rely on Bankers and associates money to fund their elections, the BNP don't, Governments do what is necessary to get re-elected not what's needed to put the Country back together, and their lies the difference between popular parties and the British National Party, having the courage to do what is right for our Country is the priority, other parties have Governed and failed, our National debt forecast by "Money Weekly" is to reach an estimated £700 Billion with in just five years, that's more than Blair & Brown added, it's more than all Governments put together since records began added, the realism is, as this letter states 600 jobs applied for none got, as for our youth out of work blame your party for that, jobs our school levers started on are mostly taken up by foreigners even paper rounds, see what the BNP are going to do with our young and unemployed, it may not be popular to win votes but it's what's needed to get this country working and earning a living wage, not the pathetic minimum wage....all it takes is courage for the voters to change....But I don't see that happening....but I can wish....
[quote][p][bold]Milkmanofhumankindne ss[/bold] wrote: In times like these the few jobs available tend to be low pay or low hours or both and the better jobs are only advertised, nepotism is rife. Don’t blame yourself the system has failed not you. The coalition government of today are letting our youth fall through the cracks in our culture. and older experienced people are also totally ignored. The austerity cuts that are little more than a union bashing exercise (Thatcher phase2) has led us to this situation where people don’t matter and the easy hire and fire laws now in place is an attempt to stop worker organisation. Our councils when planning regeneration of their towns should stop wasting money on such things as statues on roundabouts and start regenerating people. The Army is launching a £3m recruitment campaign aimed at boosting both the regular and reserve forces and this is after severe cuts! Now they want cut price soldiers. This is the Tory response to unemployment, working poor and zero hours. A poll commissioned by the Army to mark the campaign's launch suggested that 23% of people were not satisfied with their current career.When asked what was missing 30% said a decent salary; 27% said excellent training and personal development; 25% said a challenging and exciting role; 35% said UK and overseas travel; and 18% said getting paid while getting qualifications. The research, carried out by OnePoll, surveyed 2,000 people in December 2013. Cameron We are a very wealthy nation,and money is no object, thats why we have Food Banks on every corner, and 500K people relying on the Red Cross! Of course it must be the fault of immigrants or Labour (says the Ukip nutters) Good Luck David I hope things improve for you soon.[/p][/quote]UKIP NUTTERS Blame IMMIGRANTS, or LABOUR you got some of that right. Can't you man up and except some blame on behalf of St Blair and your traitorous Labour Party, or are you completely brainwashed to believe that the Labour Government did NO wrong, are you in your own little world as you accuse me and others as to MISS the point altogether. just look at today's News Rebekah Brooks and St Blair the Traitor.... First off I don't support UKIP, but I would prefer them in Power to Red Labour, how do your feel on this, UKIP have stated that they would join your Labour party or the Conservative party to form the next British Government, for you information I support the British National Party on most of it's Policies, also I don't blame immigrants for coming to our Country after all it is the best Country in the World and pays the best Benefits, It's a well know fact or do you only want what you think posted to be real, the fact is the Labour Government encouraged MASS immigration and is still growing, along with thousands of bogus asylum seekers. Mass immigration was intended to create Multiculturalism and get rid of the Britishness, or as Labour MP Jack Straw said "the English are not worth saving as a race" multiculturalism has failed catastrophically, but that on it's own is not the problem but has not helped, the Bankers lost a lot of our money, that didn't help, we are in Wars that don't concern this Country, started by your Labour Government that don't help, the hourly wage has been brought down by flooding the labour market, in the Construction Industry the hourly wage has dropped, if you have a couple of kids and a mortgage it's not easy to maintain your standard of living. same as in other work places. This Government have continually depleted our Armed forces, they expect less Soldiers to do their bidding to popularise their time in Government and get re-elected, they do nothing to address the Bankers gambling losses. Labour with the Unions rely on members money, Conservatives rely on Bankers and associates money to fund their elections, the BNP don't, Governments do what is necessary to get re-elected not what's needed to put the Country back together, and their lies the difference between popular parties and the British National Party, having the courage to do what is right for our Country is the priority, other parties have Governed and failed, our National debt forecast by "Money Weekly" is to reach an estimated £700 Billion with in just five years, that's more than Blair & Brown added, it's more than all Governments put together since records began added, the realism is, as this letter states 600 jobs applied for none got, as for our youth out of work blame your party for that, jobs our school levers started on are mostly taken up by foreigners even paper rounds, see what the BNP are going to do with our young and unemployed, it may not be popular to win votes but it's what's needed to get this country working and earning a living wage, not the pathetic minimum wage....all it takes is courage for the voters to change....But I don't see that happening....but I can wish.... welshmen
  • Score: -65

2:09pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Ormygirl says...

Good luck in your search! Blue arrow and totaljobs along with Cardiff jobs websites have always been good for me! Although I'm sure you're already registered just dropping them in to make sure.
Good luck in your search! Blue arrow and totaljobs along with Cardiff jobs websites have always been good for me! Although I'm sure you're already registered just dropping them in to make sure. Ormygirl
  • Score: 8

2:31pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Spinflight says...

I feel even more for Mr Green now..

Constructive comments only please gentlemen, I'm sure I'm not the only one who doesn't want to see the BNP and new labour's infighting.
I feel even more for Mr Green now.. Constructive comments only please gentlemen, I'm sure I'm not the only one who doesn't want to see the BNP and new labour's infighting. Spinflight
  • Score: -33

2:33pm Thu 20 Feb 14

b3talover says...

Good luck with your job search David. I'm pretty sure your masterstroke of getting an article in the Argus with help your cause. It's a great talking point in an interview, that's for sure. I'd mark you highly for demonstrating creativity and initiative if I was interviewing you. I'll point my network towards you on LinkedIn (if you're signed up that is).
Good luck with your job search David. I'm pretty sure your masterstroke of getting an article in the Argus with help your cause. It's a great talking point in an interview, that's for sure. I'd mark you highly for demonstrating creativity and initiative if I was interviewing you. I'll point my network towards you on LinkedIn (if you're signed up that is). b3talover
  • Score: 8

2:40pm Thu 20 Feb 14

helper7 says...

Spinflight wrote:
I feel even more for Mr Green now..

Constructive comments only please gentlemen, I'm sure I'm not the only one who doesn't want to see the BNP and new labour's infighting.
Ukip/BNP same scumbags
The only infighting mate is Ukip and Tory.
And I'm sure folks don't want to see your Ukip link after every post.
[quote][p][bold]Spinflight[/bold] wrote: I feel even more for Mr Green now.. Constructive comments only please gentlemen, I'm sure I'm not the only one who doesn't want to see the BNP and new labour's infighting.[/p][/quote]Ukip/BNP same scumbags The only infighting mate is Ukip and Tory. And I'm sure folks don't want to see your Ukip link after every post. helper7
  • Score: 28

3:07pm Thu 20 Feb 14

drjay62001 says...

You could have done a profiled route to get a cscs black manager card with your current employer, they would have got you a CSCS card on grandfather rights, I did the same when it was introduced back in 2008. No need for a 2 year course or large amount of money, look it up it may be worth you doing. React will help you with funding if required.
You could have done a profiled route to get a cscs black manager card with your current employer, they would have got you a CSCS card on grandfather rights, I did the same when it was introduced back in 2008. No need for a 2 year course or large amount of money, look it up it may be worth you doing. React will help you with funding if required. drjay62001
  • Score: 5

3:09pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Spinflight says...

One thing that has worked for me in the past is to contact the firm directly after an agent has told me that I wasn't selected.

In one instance I felt I had interviewed well and expected to be offered the position. The agent however said that my application had been declined so I contacted the employer directly, explaining that I felt I had more to offer than had transpired at the interview, and would it be possible to re-interview for the position.

The result was that I did interview again and was offered the position. The recruitment agency which I had originally applied through was blacklisted by the employer.

I can't comment on whether my initial interview lead to a job offer however there was clearly some friction between employer and agency after I contacted them directly. I didn't feel the original interview had gone badly, nor that the second interview was in any way superior to the first.

On another occasion I interviewed for a position as was told that I would be offered a contract but that the employer was in the middle of moving offices. This, much later, fell through according to the agent.. I ended up accepting an offer, through the same agent, that I had previously refused which meant moving to a completely different area of the country, a decision I came to bitterly regret.

Several years later I saw the same position re-advertised and contacted the employer directly, mentioning that I had previously been accepted but that their moving premises had scuppered the opportunity. This appeared to confuse them as no offer had ever been made and their department had not been involved in the move, which was merely call centre staff moving to a vacant building across the road....

I'm not sure what the commission rates are however I once received a telephone call from an agent on the way home from an interview ( which I had applied for directly ) offering me the same job interview but at 25% less salary.....

In short, make use of the agencies by all means but keep your eyes well open to how they can abuse your position to line their own pockets.
One thing that has worked for me in the past is to contact the firm directly after an agent has told me that I wasn't selected. In one instance I felt I had interviewed well and expected to be offered the position. The agent however said that my application had been declined so I contacted the employer directly, explaining that I felt I had more to offer than had transpired at the interview, and would it be possible to re-interview for the position. The result was that I did interview again and was offered the position. The recruitment agency which I had originally applied through was blacklisted by the employer. I can't comment on whether my initial interview lead to a job offer however there was clearly some friction between employer and agency after I contacted them directly. I didn't feel the original interview had gone badly, nor that the second interview was in any way superior to the first. On another occasion I interviewed for a position as was told that I would be offered a contract but that the employer was in the middle of moving offices. This, much later, fell through according to the agent.. I ended up accepting an offer, through the same agent, that I had previously refused which meant moving to a completely different area of the country, a decision I came to bitterly regret. Several years later I saw the same position re-advertised and contacted the employer directly, mentioning that I had previously been accepted but that their moving premises had scuppered the opportunity. This appeared to confuse them as no offer had ever been made and their department had not been involved in the move, which was merely call centre staff moving to a vacant building across the road.... I'm not sure what the commission rates are however I once received a telephone call from an agent on the way home from an interview ( which I had applied for directly ) offering me the same job interview but at 25% less salary..... In short, make use of the agencies by all means but keep your eyes well open to how they can abuse your position to line their own pockets. Spinflight
  • Score: 1

3:14pm Thu 20 Feb 14

drjay62001 says...

Try these http://www.cscs.uk.c
om/cscs-cards/profil
ed-route

and

http://www.careercha
ngewales.co.uk/react
-funding.html

Hope this helps
Try these http://www.cscs.uk.c om/cscs-cards/profil ed-route and http://www.careercha ngewales.co.uk/react -funding.html Hope this helps drjay62001
  • Score: 4

5:19pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Mervyn James says...

Griff boy wrote:
Why does he say recruitment agencies are a barrier? I work in a place where many of the workers started as agency temps and have been given permanent contracts. Some been in the jobs years after starting through agency.....no barrier there!!
Recruitment agencies ought to be closed down, they are head hunters basically, and not for the hoi polloi corporate areas use them to weed out the long term unemployed or those claiming benefits. Also to prevent disabled applying for jobs, one in the Newport town centre (Which I am prevented naming because they are sue happy!), is based at the top of a flight of stairs which no-one in a wheelchair can negotiate, at the bottom of those stairs is an intercom, which is you have hearing loss, cannot use either, so that is two areas that won't get a look in for a start.

this man's experience is plain an example of why cuts to benefits and allowances WON'T enable people to 'stand on own feet', because the jobs do not exist for them to go to, at the very least there are no training schemes set up for those too unskilled to apply for them, and employer institutional opposition to long term unemployed who take benefits means if they all applied for a job today none would get one, either this week or this year.... or next.

You have to take whatever is available and not be fussy,that is fair enough, but if employers won't employ you or even those jobs don't exist then what is the answer ? More migrants ? because their country trained them,our country won't even educate our people.
[quote][p][bold]Griff boy[/bold] wrote: Why does he say recruitment agencies are a barrier? I work in a place where many of the workers started as agency temps and have been given permanent contracts. Some been in the jobs years after starting through agency.....no barrier there!![/p][/quote]Recruitment agencies ought to be closed down, they are head hunters basically, and not for the hoi polloi corporate areas use them to weed out the long term unemployed or those claiming benefits. Also to prevent disabled applying for jobs, one in the Newport town centre (Which I am prevented naming because they are sue happy!), is based at the top of a flight of stairs which no-one in a wheelchair can negotiate, at the bottom of those stairs is an intercom, which is you have hearing loss, cannot use either, so that is two areas that won't get a look in for a start. this man's experience is plain an example of why cuts to benefits and allowances WON'T enable people to 'stand on own feet', because the jobs do not exist for them to go to, at the very least there are no training schemes set up for those too unskilled to apply for them, and employer institutional opposition to long term unemployed who take benefits means if they all applied for a job today none would get one, either this week or this year.... or next. You have to take whatever is available and not be fussy,that is fair enough, but if employers won't employ you or even those jobs don't exist then what is the answer ? More migrants ? because their country trained them,our country won't even educate our people. Mervyn James
  • Score: 12

5:36pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Tak523SC says...

As an employment adviser myself I am impressed with how many applications David has submitted.
It shows how much determination and commitment he has in trying to find work. Credit where it's due. See, not all people who are not working are layabouts.
In saying that, I would also be interested to know whether any advisers in his jobcentre had taken a look at any applications and talked through job vacancies he's applied for. Something is wrong somewhere...and this could be a lot of things from quality of applications to unsuitability for jobs etc etc....so much.
So when you hear 600 jobs applied for...that's great but how many were high quality applications? How many were for positions David wasn't qualified for?
Part of our job as advisers is also to manage expectations...apply
ing for random jobs sometimes can prove more harm than good. I advise my customers to think whether their skills reflect what an employer is looking for. If not, then maybe it may not be worth trying because employers have so much choice these days...they have plenty of options with those who are skilled and qualified as they need.
I do encourage random cv drops etc but this is used sparingly because in my experience the rate of success is low.
The old saying "All your eggs in one basket" comes to mind.
If David hasn't done it yet, then book an appointment with your jobcentre adviser and get them to look over applications, job suitability etc etc. Hopefully, the quality of applications may be enhanced on what you already have been sending off.
Wishing you every success.
As an employment adviser myself I am impressed with how many applications David has submitted. It shows how much determination and commitment he has in trying to find work. Credit where it's due. See, not all people who are not working are layabouts. In saying that, I would also be interested to know whether any advisers in his jobcentre had taken a look at any applications and talked through job vacancies he's applied for. Something is wrong somewhere...and this could be a lot of things from quality of applications to unsuitability for jobs etc etc....so much. So when you hear 600 jobs applied for...that's great but how many were high quality applications? How many were for positions David wasn't qualified for? Part of our job as advisers is also to manage expectations...apply ing for random jobs sometimes can prove more harm than good. I advise my customers to think whether their skills reflect what an employer is looking for. If not, then maybe it may not be worth trying because employers have so much choice these days...they have plenty of options with those who are skilled and qualified as they need. I do encourage random cv drops etc but this is used sparingly because in my experience the rate of success is low. The old saying "All your eggs in one basket" comes to mind. If David hasn't done it yet, then book an appointment with your jobcentre adviser and get them to look over applications, job suitability etc etc. Hopefully, the quality of applications may be enhanced on what you already have been sending off. Wishing you every success. Tak523SC
  • Score: 9

5:42pm Thu 20 Feb 14

topdog99 says...

Not a nice queue to be in:

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Not a nice queue to be in: http://i.dailymail.c o.uk/i/pix/2013/12/2 2/article-0-1A426630 00000578-368_634x398 .jpg topdog99
  • Score: 37

6:51pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Magor says...

Get the new M4 built that will create a load of construction jobs.
Get the new M4 built that will create a load of construction jobs. Magor
  • Score: -15

7:28pm Thu 20 Feb 14

cath 872 says...

Has this man widened his search to include ANY job, even if outside of his chosen profession? When I was much younger I wanted to be a vet, but life experiences prevented that from happening. Now I work as a carer - at the end of the day any job is better than none. I wish Mr.Green well.
Has this man widened his search to include ANY job, even if outside of his chosen profession? When I was much younger I wanted to be a vet, but life experiences prevented that from happening. Now I work as a carer - at the end of the day any job is better than none. I wish Mr.Green well. cath 872
  • Score: -12

7:38pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Valrep says...

Tak523SC wrote:
As an employment adviser myself I am impressed with how many applications David has submitted.
It shows how much determination and commitment he has in trying to find work. Credit where it's due. See, not all people who are not working are layabouts.
In saying that, I would also be interested to know whether any advisers in his jobcentre had taken a look at any applications and talked through job vacancies he's applied for. Something is wrong somewhere...and this could be a lot of things from quality of applications to unsuitability for jobs etc etc....so much.
So when you hear 600 jobs applied for...that's great but how many were high quality applications? How many were for positions David wasn't qualified for?
Part of our job as advisers is also to manage expectations...apply

ing for random jobs sometimes can prove more harm than good. I advise my customers to think whether their skills reflect what an employer is looking for. If not, then maybe it may not be worth trying because employers have so much choice these days...they have plenty of options with those who are skilled and qualified as they need.
I do encourage random cv drops etc but this is used sparingly because in my experience the rate of success is low.
The old saying "All your eggs in one basket" comes to mind.
If David hasn't done it yet, then book an appointment with your jobcentre adviser and get them to look over applications, job suitability etc etc. Hopefully, the quality of applications may be enhanced on what you already have been sending off.
Wishing you every success.
The whole job centre/benefits system has failed. There was a time when the job centre was just that a place that those out of work could gain assistance. Now all the job centre is, is the front office for the benefits agency, nobody working there has direct contact with employers they have no knowledge of local vacancies and in fact are given only 5 minutes to discuss things with claimants. Yes, we all know that there are those people who do not want to work but give a thought to those genuine cases where people have found themselves out of work for the first time in their life. The government needs to re assess how the job centres work.
I know exactly how he feels. After 8 months out of work and 300 applications, which netted two interviews, I did secure employment. It would be nice if employers replied to an application. I was told by an agency that employers were lazy, if the right word was not in the first few lines of your CV then they just do not continue reading. For a forty something with general education but no degree, this is very annoying not to mention soul destroying. There is too much emphasis on degrees and not enough for experience and vocational course success. Mind you with an HR person just out of university, with a degree in Esperanto searching for a project manager what can you expect? It really is no wonder this country is falling behind.
Good luck David. The right job and employer is just around the corner.
[quote][p][bold]Tak523SC[/bold] wrote: As an employment adviser myself I am impressed with how many applications David has submitted. It shows how much determination and commitment he has in trying to find work. Credit where it's due. See, not all people who are not working are layabouts. In saying that, I would also be interested to know whether any advisers in his jobcentre had taken a look at any applications and talked through job vacancies he's applied for. Something is wrong somewhere...and this could be a lot of things from quality of applications to unsuitability for jobs etc etc....so much. So when you hear 600 jobs applied for...that's great but how many were high quality applications? How many were for positions David wasn't qualified for? Part of our job as advisers is also to manage expectations...apply ing for random jobs sometimes can prove more harm than good. I advise my customers to think whether their skills reflect what an employer is looking for. If not, then maybe it may not be worth trying because employers have so much choice these days...they have plenty of options with those who are skilled and qualified as they need. I do encourage random cv drops etc but this is used sparingly because in my experience the rate of success is low. The old saying "All your eggs in one basket" comes to mind. If David hasn't done it yet, then book an appointment with your jobcentre adviser and get them to look over applications, job suitability etc etc. Hopefully, the quality of applications may be enhanced on what you already have been sending off. Wishing you every success.[/p][/quote]The whole job centre/benefits system has failed. There was a time when the job centre was just that a place that those out of work could gain assistance. Now all the job centre is, is the front office for the benefits agency, nobody working there has direct contact with employers they have no knowledge of local vacancies and in fact are given only 5 minutes to discuss things with claimants. Yes, we all know that there are those people who do not want to work but give a thought to those genuine cases where people have found themselves out of work for the first time in their life. The government needs to re assess how the job centres work. I know exactly how he feels. After 8 months out of work and 300 applications, which netted two interviews, I did secure employment. It would be nice if employers replied to an application. I was told by an agency that employers were lazy, if the right word was not in the first few lines of your CV then they just do not continue reading. For a forty something with general education but no degree, this is very annoying not to mention soul destroying. There is too much emphasis on degrees and not enough for experience and vocational course success. Mind you with an HR person just out of university, with a degree in Esperanto searching for a project manager what can you expect? It really is no wonder this country is falling behind. Good luck David. The right job and employer is just around the corner. Valrep
  • Score: 21

8:05pm Thu 20 Feb 14

scraptheWAG says...

unfortunately all the jobs are across the severn bridge many of my work collegues come from caldicot, chesptow newport cardiff and all tell the same take about the utter basket case that is the welsh economy!! Do yourself a favour and buy a Severn bridge TAG its the best £112 per month you have ever spent.
unfortunately all the jobs are across the severn bridge many of my work collegues come from caldicot, chesptow newport cardiff and all tell the same take about the utter basket case that is the welsh economy!! Do yourself a favour and buy a Severn bridge TAG its the best £112 per month you have ever spent. scraptheWAG
  • Score: -27

8:12pm Thu 20 Feb 14

scraptheWAG says...

Can't find a username wrote:
I've applied for a few jobs in Bristol, almost without exception the first thing I get asked is "How do you feel about travelling over the bridge?" The impression I get is that, even though it's only twenty or so miles away, people are reluctant to hire staff from this side of the water.

I had one interview there last summer and the feedback was they were "very impressed with my experience and attitude but unfortunately there was someone with similar experience who was more local"
yes you do get that they think on the off chance you get a job in wales you will live I always use a relatives add in bristol . Wales is a basket case
[quote][p][bold]Can't find a username[/bold] wrote: I've applied for a few jobs in Bristol, almost without exception the first thing I get asked is "How do you feel about travelling over the bridge?" The impression I get is that, even though it's only twenty or so miles away, people are reluctant to hire staff from this side of the water. I had one interview there last summer and the feedback was they were "very impressed with my experience and attitude but unfortunately there was someone with similar experience who was more local"[/p][/quote]yes you do get that they think on the off chance you get a job in wales you will live I always use a relatives add in bristol . Wales is a basket case scraptheWAG
  • Score: -26

8:14pm Thu 20 Feb 14

scraptheWAG says...

Katie Re-Registered wrote:
I hope Mr Green finds a job very soon. When I was unemployed for a year I applied for around 200 jobs: about 60 per cent of places didn't answer, but I was lucky enough to get seven interviews out of this. 600 rejections though really does take the biscuit and it must be very disheartening, particularly for someone as experienced as this gentleman. Unfortunately, in many cases although a job vacancy is advertised the firm/organisation knows full well that they have already got someone whom they've decided will fill it anyway. So, even if you get called interview the whole process is a pretence; a total sham which simply needs to be affected in order to be seen to comply superficially with laws which state that job vacancies must be advertised.
a lot of the public sector jobs and that is all that is in wales really are all taken by relatives etc
[quote][p][bold]Katie Re-Registered[/bold] wrote: I hope Mr Green finds a job very soon. When I was unemployed for a year I applied for around 200 jobs: about 60 per cent of places didn't answer, but I was lucky enough to get seven interviews out of this. 600 rejections though really does take the biscuit and it must be very disheartening, particularly for someone as experienced as this gentleman. Unfortunately, in many cases although a job vacancy is advertised the firm/organisation knows full well that they have already got someone whom they've decided will fill it anyway. So, even if you get called interview the whole process is a pretence; a total sham which simply needs to be affected in order to be seen to comply superficially with laws which state that job vacancies must be advertised.[/p][/quote]a lot of the public sector jobs and that is all that is in wales really are all taken by relatives etc scraptheWAG
  • Score: -29

8:28pm Thu 20 Feb 14

white white says...

Griff boy wrote:
Why does he say recruitment agencies are a barrier? I work in a place where many of the workers started as agency temps and have been given permanent contracts. Some been in the jobs years after starting through agency.....no barrier there!!
I currently work for a recruitment agency at a large
Food production factory near newport, I'm on minimum
Wage and so are the normal plant employees . The term
Temporary worker is norma,l all employees are temp
For 13 weeks (probationary period) then it's up to the employer
If they won't to keep you on, I have been there for 4 months and
Content to be in work, although I'm on 0 contract I work 30 hours
One week ,40 ish the next, then 30 hrs. You get the drift . Mr Davis contact
Your careers adviser and ask about it
[quote][p][bold]Griff boy[/bold] wrote: Why does he say recruitment agencies are a barrier? I work in a place where many of the workers started as agency temps and have been given permanent contracts. Some been in the jobs years after starting through agency.....no barrier there!![/p][/quote]I currently work for a recruitment agency at a large Food production factory near newport, I'm on minimum Wage and so are the normal plant employees . The term Temporary worker is norma,l all employees are temp For 13 weeks (probationary period) then it's up to the employer If they won't to keep you on, I have been there for 4 months and Content to be in work, although I'm on 0 contract I work 30 hours One week ,40 ish the next, then 30 hrs. You get the drift . Mr Davis contact Your careers adviser and ask about it white white
  • Score: 1

8:29pm Thu 20 Feb 14

white white says...

Very sorry I meant Mr green...
Very sorry I meant Mr green... white white
  • Score: 1

8:30pm Thu 20 Feb 14

helper7 says...

scraptheWAG wrote:
Katie Re-Registered wrote:
I hope Mr Green finds a job very soon. When I was unemployed for a year I applied for around 200 jobs: about 60 per cent of places didn't answer, but I was lucky enough to get seven interviews out of this. 600 rejections though really does take the biscuit and it must be very disheartening, particularly for someone as experienced as this gentleman. Unfortunately, in many cases although a job vacancy is advertised the firm/organisation knows full well that they have already got someone whom they've decided will fill it anyway. So, even if you get called interview the whole process is a pretence; a total sham which simply needs to be affected in order to be seen to comply superficially with laws which state that job vacancies must be advertised.
a lot of the public sector jobs and that is all that is in wales really are all taken by relatives etc
Yeah and in England too!
Remember when they used to clean the storm gullies regularly and dredge the rivers in Somerset......those were the days.
Thank goodness we got rid of all lthose non important public sector jobs..

The captain is a Basket case and hes running the country:

http://youtu.be/KtbU
bigVMF4
[quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Katie Re-Registered[/bold] wrote: I hope Mr Green finds a job very soon. When I was unemployed for a year I applied for around 200 jobs: about 60 per cent of places didn't answer, but I was lucky enough to get seven interviews out of this. 600 rejections though really does take the biscuit and it must be very disheartening, particularly for someone as experienced as this gentleman. Unfortunately, in many cases although a job vacancy is advertised the firm/organisation knows full well that they have already got someone whom they've decided will fill it anyway. So, even if you get called interview the whole process is a pretence; a total sham which simply needs to be affected in order to be seen to comply superficially with laws which state that job vacancies must be advertised.[/p][/quote]a lot of the public sector jobs and that is all that is in wales really are all taken by relatives etc[/p][/quote]Yeah and in England too! Remember when they used to clean the storm gullies regularly and dredge the rivers in Somerset......those were the days. Thank goodness we got rid of all lthose non important public sector jobs.. The captain is a Basket case and hes running the country: http://youtu.be/KtbU bigVMF4 helper7
  • Score: 24

8:31pm Thu 20 Feb 14

white white says...

scraptheWAG wrote:
Katie Re-Registered wrote:
I hope Mr Green finds a job very soon. When I was unemployed for a year I applied for around 200 jobs: about 60 per cent of places didn't answer, but I was lucky enough to get seven interviews out of this. 600 rejections though really does take the biscuit and it must be very disheartening, particularly for someone as experienced as this gentleman. Unfortunately, in many cases although a job vacancy is advertised the firm/organisation knows full well that they have already got someone whom they've decided will fill it anyway. So, even if you get called interview the whole process is a pretence; a total sham which simply needs to be affected in order to be seen to comply superficially with laws which state that job vacancies must be advertised.
a lot of the public sector jobs and that is all that is in wales really are all taken by relatives etc
I understand the major supermarkets run the same way
They advertise ,but jobs go to family and friends first
[quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Katie Re-Registered[/bold] wrote: I hope Mr Green finds a job very soon. When I was unemployed for a year I applied for around 200 jobs: about 60 per cent of places didn't answer, but I was lucky enough to get seven interviews out of this. 600 rejections though really does take the biscuit and it must be very disheartening, particularly for someone as experienced as this gentleman. Unfortunately, in many cases although a job vacancy is advertised the firm/organisation knows full well that they have already got someone whom they've decided will fill it anyway. So, even if you get called interview the whole process is a pretence; a total sham which simply needs to be affected in order to be seen to comply superficially with laws which state that job vacancies must be advertised.[/p][/quote]a lot of the public sector jobs and that is all that is in wales really are all taken by relatives etc[/p][/quote]I understand the major supermarkets run the same way They advertise ,but jobs go to family and friends first white white
  • Score: -4

8:31pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Tak523SC says...

Valrep wrote:
Tak523SC wrote:
As an employment adviser myself I am impressed with how many applications David has submitted.
It shows how much determination and commitment he has in trying to find work. Credit where it's due. See, not all people who are not working are layabouts.
In saying that, I would also be interested to know whether any advisers in his jobcentre had taken a look at any applications and talked through job vacancies he's applied for. Something is wrong somewhere...and this could be a lot of things from quality of applications to unsuitability for jobs etc etc....so much.
So when you hear 600 jobs applied for...that's great but how many were high quality applications? How many were for positions David wasn't qualified for?
Part of our job as advisers is also to manage expectations...apply


ing for random jobs sometimes can prove more harm than good. I advise my customers to think whether their skills reflect what an employer is looking for. If not, then maybe it may not be worth trying because employers have so much choice these days...they have plenty of options with those who are skilled and qualified as they need.
I do encourage random cv drops etc but this is used sparingly because in my experience the rate of success is low.
The old saying "All your eggs in one basket" comes to mind.
If David hasn't done it yet, then book an appointment with your jobcentre adviser and get them to look over applications, job suitability etc etc. Hopefully, the quality of applications may be enhanced on what you already have been sending off.
Wishing you every success.
The whole job centre/benefits system has failed. There was a time when the job centre was just that a place that those out of work could gain assistance. Now all the job centre is, is the front office for the benefits agency, nobody working there has direct contact with employers they have no knowledge of local vacancies and in fact are given only 5 minutes to discuss things with claimants. Yes, we all know that there are those people who do not want to work but give a thought to those genuine cases where people have found themselves out of work for the first time in their life. The government needs to re assess how the job centres work.
I know exactly how he feels. After 8 months out of work and 300 applications, which netted two interviews, I did secure employment. It would be nice if employers replied to an application. I was told by an agency that employers were lazy, if the right word was not in the first few lines of your CV then they just do not continue reading. For a forty something with general education but no degree, this is very annoying not to mention soul destroying. There is too much emphasis on degrees and not enough for experience and vocational course success. Mind you with an HR person just out of university, with a degree in Esperanto searching for a project manager what can you expect? It really is no wonder this country is falling behind.
Good luck David. The right job and employer is just around the corner.
Valrep, no you're wrong mate sorry.
The Jobcentres do have staff that engage with employers trying to get vacancies. That's their specific job to do that...and in my experience do a good job in doing it too.
Then you have the client advisers who can spend more time with clients. They can spend a good amount of time with folks and do. They are the folks who tend to identify if CV's are not very good, applications aren't suitable etc etc.
Then you have the front line staff who just check people are doing enough to look for work and make sure their money goes through. (The 5 minute'rs you mentioned).
All do different types of job. Oh yes...they also have to do a lot of clerical work for the Benefits Centres.
Difficulty is though is that employers have so much choice now they can put their jobs with agencies, on their own sites, in papers etc. They basically dictate how vacancies are advertised. I don't even think it's the benefits system that's at fault here. Employers can advertise how they like.
Agencies have a bad name but only offer jobs employers offer to them...it's a shame because they too try to do a good job.
Again, expectations....when it comes to employers....they have so many applications it would be nice if they told everyone if they'd been successful or not but the reality and fact now is that they don't. My clients now understand this and accept it. It's helped them to realise it's nothing they've done but what the reality is. Rude I agree, but nonetheless a fact of life.
Employers aren't so much lazy I don't think....just don't have time to really spend a lot of time recruiting. I tell my clients to ensure all applications have things from start to finish which will keep the employers attention. That isn't rocket science just a thing none of us like...being bored reading. Employers are the same.
I do agree though...Good luck David.
[quote][p][bold]Valrep[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tak523SC[/bold] wrote: As an employment adviser myself I am impressed with how many applications David has submitted. It shows how much determination and commitment he has in trying to find work. Credit where it's due. See, not all people who are not working are layabouts. In saying that, I would also be interested to know whether any advisers in his jobcentre had taken a look at any applications and talked through job vacancies he's applied for. Something is wrong somewhere...and this could be a lot of things from quality of applications to unsuitability for jobs etc etc....so much. So when you hear 600 jobs applied for...that's great but how many were high quality applications? How many were for positions David wasn't qualified for? Part of our job as advisers is also to manage expectations...apply ing for random jobs sometimes can prove more harm than good. I advise my customers to think whether their skills reflect what an employer is looking for. If not, then maybe it may not be worth trying because employers have so much choice these days...they have plenty of options with those who are skilled and qualified as they need. I do encourage random cv drops etc but this is used sparingly because in my experience the rate of success is low. The old saying "All your eggs in one basket" comes to mind. If David hasn't done it yet, then book an appointment with your jobcentre adviser and get them to look over applications, job suitability etc etc. Hopefully, the quality of applications may be enhanced on what you already have been sending off. Wishing you every success.[/p][/quote]The whole job centre/benefits system has failed. There was a time when the job centre was just that a place that those out of work could gain assistance. Now all the job centre is, is the front office for the benefits agency, nobody working there has direct contact with employers they have no knowledge of local vacancies and in fact are given only 5 minutes to discuss things with claimants. Yes, we all know that there are those people who do not want to work but give a thought to those genuine cases where people have found themselves out of work for the first time in their life. The government needs to re assess how the job centres work. I know exactly how he feels. After 8 months out of work and 300 applications, which netted two interviews, I did secure employment. It would be nice if employers replied to an application. I was told by an agency that employers were lazy, if the right word was not in the first few lines of your CV then they just do not continue reading. For a forty something with general education but no degree, this is very annoying not to mention soul destroying. There is too much emphasis on degrees and not enough for experience and vocational course success. Mind you with an HR person just out of university, with a degree in Esperanto searching for a project manager what can you expect? It really is no wonder this country is falling behind. Good luck David. The right job and employer is just around the corner.[/p][/quote]Valrep, no you're wrong mate sorry. The Jobcentres do have staff that engage with employers trying to get vacancies. That's their specific job to do that...and in my experience do a good job in doing it too. Then you have the client advisers who can spend more time with clients. They can spend a good amount of time with folks and do. They are the folks who tend to identify if CV's are not very good, applications aren't suitable etc etc. Then you have the front line staff who just check people are doing enough to look for work and make sure their money goes through. (The 5 minute'rs you mentioned). All do different types of job. Oh yes...they also have to do a lot of clerical work for the Benefits Centres. Difficulty is though is that employers have so much choice now they can put their jobs with agencies, on their own sites, in papers etc. They basically dictate how vacancies are advertised. I don't even think it's the benefits system that's at fault here. Employers can advertise how they like. Agencies have a bad name but only offer jobs employers offer to them...it's a shame because they too try to do a good job. Again, expectations....when it comes to employers....they have so many applications it would be nice if they told everyone if they'd been successful or not but the reality and fact now is that they don't. My clients now understand this and accept it. It's helped them to realise it's nothing they've done but what the reality is. Rude I agree, but nonetheless a fact of life. Employers aren't so much lazy I don't think....just don't have time to really spend a lot of time recruiting. I tell my clients to ensure all applications have things from start to finish which will keep the employers attention. That isn't rocket science just a thing none of us like...being bored reading. Employers are the same. I do agree though...Good luck David. Tak523SC
  • Score: -5

8:38pm Thu 20 Feb 14

scraptheWAG says...

Tak523SC wrote:
Valrep wrote:
Tak523SC wrote:
As an employment adviser myself I am impressed with how many applications David has submitted.
It shows how much determination and commitment he has in trying to find work. Credit where it's due. See, not all people who are not working are layabouts.
In saying that, I would also be interested to know whether any advisers in his jobcentre had taken a look at any applications and talked through job vacancies he's applied for. Something is wrong somewhere...and this could be a lot of things from quality of applications to unsuitability for jobs etc etc....so much.
So when you hear 600 jobs applied for...that's great but how many were high quality applications? How many were for positions David wasn't qualified for?
Part of our job as advisers is also to manage expectations...apply



ing for random jobs sometimes can prove more harm than good. I advise my customers to think whether their skills reflect what an employer is looking for. If not, then maybe it may not be worth trying because employers have so much choice these days...they have plenty of options with those who are skilled and qualified as they need.
I do encourage random cv drops etc but this is used sparingly because in my experience the rate of success is low.
The old saying "All your eggs in one basket" comes to mind.
If David hasn't done it yet, then book an appointment with your jobcentre adviser and get them to look over applications, job suitability etc etc. Hopefully, the quality of applications may be enhanced on what you already have been sending off.
Wishing you every success.
The whole job centre/benefits system has failed. There was a time when the job centre was just that a place that those out of work could gain assistance. Now all the job centre is, is the front office for the benefits agency, nobody working there has direct contact with employers they have no knowledge of local vacancies and in fact are given only 5 minutes to discuss things with claimants. Yes, we all know that there are those people who do not want to work but give a thought to those genuine cases where people have found themselves out of work for the first time in their life. The government needs to re assess how the job centres work.
I know exactly how he feels. After 8 months out of work and 300 applications, which netted two interviews, I did secure employment. It would be nice if employers replied to an application. I was told by an agency that employers were lazy, if the right word was not in the first few lines of your CV then they just do not continue reading. For a forty something with general education but no degree, this is very annoying not to mention soul destroying. There is too much emphasis on degrees and not enough for experience and vocational course success. Mind you with an HR person just out of university, with a degree in Esperanto searching for a project manager what can you expect? It really is no wonder this country is falling behind.
Good luck David. The right job and employer is just around the corner.
Valrep, no you're wrong mate sorry.
The Jobcentres do have staff that engage with employers trying to get vacancies. That's their specific job to do that...and in my experience do a good job in doing it too.
Then you have the client advisers who can spend more time with clients. They can spend a good amount of time with folks and do. They are the folks who tend to identify if CV's are not very good, applications aren't suitable etc etc.
Then you have the front line staff who just check people are doing enough to look for work and make sure their money goes through. (The 5 minute'rs you mentioned).
All do different types of job. Oh yes...they also have to do a lot of clerical work for the Benefits Centres.
Difficulty is though is that employers have so much choice now they can put their jobs with agencies, on their own sites, in papers etc. They basically dictate how vacancies are advertised. I don't even think it's the benefits system that's at fault here. Employers can advertise how they like.
Agencies have a bad name but only offer jobs employers offer to them...it's a shame because they too try to do a good job.
Again, expectations....when it comes to employers....they have so many applications it would be nice if they told everyone if they'd been successful or not but the reality and fact now is that they don't. My clients now understand this and accept it. It's helped them to realise it's nothing they've done but what the reality is. Rude I agree, but nonetheless a fact of life.
Employers aren't so much lazy I don't think....just don't have time to really spend a lot of time recruiting. I tell my clients to ensure all applications have things from start to finish which will keep the employers attention. That isn't rocket science just a thing none of us like...being bored reading. Employers are the same.
I do agree though...Good luck David.
also be careful if you do get a job in wales it may be because of a grant when the grant runs out they leg it back across the bridge. It happened to me twice
[quote][p][bold]Tak523SC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Valrep[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tak523SC[/bold] wrote: As an employment adviser myself I am impressed with how many applications David has submitted. It shows how much determination and commitment he has in trying to find work. Credit where it's due. See, not all people who are not working are layabouts. In saying that, I would also be interested to know whether any advisers in his jobcentre had taken a look at any applications and talked through job vacancies he's applied for. Something is wrong somewhere...and this could be a lot of things from quality of applications to unsuitability for jobs etc etc....so much. So when you hear 600 jobs applied for...that's great but how many were high quality applications? How many were for positions David wasn't qualified for? Part of our job as advisers is also to manage expectations...apply ing for random jobs sometimes can prove more harm than good. I advise my customers to think whether their skills reflect what an employer is looking for. If not, then maybe it may not be worth trying because employers have so much choice these days...they have plenty of options with those who are skilled and qualified as they need. I do encourage random cv drops etc but this is used sparingly because in my experience the rate of success is low. The old saying "All your eggs in one basket" comes to mind. If David hasn't done it yet, then book an appointment with your jobcentre adviser and get them to look over applications, job suitability etc etc. Hopefully, the quality of applications may be enhanced on what you already have been sending off. Wishing you every success.[/p][/quote]The whole job centre/benefits system has failed. There was a time when the job centre was just that a place that those out of work could gain assistance. Now all the job centre is, is the front office for the benefits agency, nobody working there has direct contact with employers they have no knowledge of local vacancies and in fact are given only 5 minutes to discuss things with claimants. Yes, we all know that there are those people who do not want to work but give a thought to those genuine cases where people have found themselves out of work for the first time in their life. The government needs to re assess how the job centres work. I know exactly how he feels. After 8 months out of work and 300 applications, which netted two interviews, I did secure employment. It would be nice if employers replied to an application. I was told by an agency that employers were lazy, if the right word was not in the first few lines of your CV then they just do not continue reading. For a forty something with general education but no degree, this is very annoying not to mention soul destroying. There is too much emphasis on degrees and not enough for experience and vocational course success. Mind you with an HR person just out of university, with a degree in Esperanto searching for a project manager what can you expect? It really is no wonder this country is falling behind. Good luck David. The right job and employer is just around the corner.[/p][/quote]Valrep, no you're wrong mate sorry. The Jobcentres do have staff that engage with employers trying to get vacancies. That's their specific job to do that...and in my experience do a good job in doing it too. Then you have the client advisers who can spend more time with clients. They can spend a good amount of time with folks and do. They are the folks who tend to identify if CV's are not very good, applications aren't suitable etc etc. Then you have the front line staff who just check people are doing enough to look for work and make sure their money goes through. (The 5 minute'rs you mentioned). All do different types of job. Oh yes...they also have to do a lot of clerical work for the Benefits Centres. Difficulty is though is that employers have so much choice now they can put their jobs with agencies, on their own sites, in papers etc. They basically dictate how vacancies are advertised. I don't even think it's the benefits system that's at fault here. Employers can advertise how they like. Agencies have a bad name but only offer jobs employers offer to them...it's a shame because they too try to do a good job. Again, expectations....when it comes to employers....they have so many applications it would be nice if they told everyone if they'd been successful or not but the reality and fact now is that they don't. My clients now understand this and accept it. It's helped them to realise it's nothing they've done but what the reality is. Rude I agree, but nonetheless a fact of life. Employers aren't so much lazy I don't think....just don't have time to really spend a lot of time recruiting. I tell my clients to ensure all applications have things from start to finish which will keep the employers attention. That isn't rocket science just a thing none of us like...being bored reading. Employers are the same. I do agree though...Good luck David.[/p][/quote]also be careful if you do get a job in wales it may be because of a grant when the grant runs out they leg it back across the bridge. It happened to me twice scraptheWAG
  • Score: -25

9:39pm Thu 20 Feb 14

arjwain says...

oh wonder why there are no jobs ?
my son could not get into collage his chosen job had no places available
i was beaten to a job .i had to give 10 years work history .
the person that got the job i applied for had only been here 3 years ,work that one out .
oh wonder why there are no jobs ? my son could not get into collage his chosen job had no places available i was beaten to a job .i had to give 10 years work history . the person that got the job i applied for had only been here 3 years ,work that one out . arjwain
  • Score: -3

10:40pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Llanmartinangel says...

helper7 wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
Katie Re-Registered wrote:
I hope Mr Green finds a job very soon. When I was unemployed for a year I applied for around 200 jobs: about 60 per cent of places didn't answer, but I was lucky enough to get seven interviews out of this. 600 rejections though really does take the biscuit and it must be very disheartening, particularly for someone as experienced as this gentleman. Unfortunately, in many cases although a job vacancy is advertised the firm/organisation knows full well that they have already got someone whom they've decided will fill it anyway. So, even if you get called interview the whole process is a pretence; a total sham which simply needs to be affected in order to be seen to comply superficially with laws which state that job vacancies must be advertised.
a lot of the public sector jobs and that is all that is in wales really are all taken by relatives etc
Yeah and in England too!
Remember when they used to clean the storm gullies regularly and dredge the rivers in Somerset......those were the days.
Thank goodness we got rid of all lthose non important public sector jobs..

The captain is a Basket case and hes running the country:

http://youtu.be/KtbU

bigVMF4
Didn't WAG just recruit another 400 pen-pushers? I don't think that was Cameron's decision. But sure as eggs someone is paying them.
http://m.bbc.co.uk/n
ews/uk-wales-politic
s-25849068
[quote][p][bold]helper7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Katie Re-Registered[/bold] wrote: I hope Mr Green finds a job very soon. When I was unemployed for a year I applied for around 200 jobs: about 60 per cent of places didn't answer, but I was lucky enough to get seven interviews out of this. 600 rejections though really does take the biscuit and it must be very disheartening, particularly for someone as experienced as this gentleman. Unfortunately, in many cases although a job vacancy is advertised the firm/organisation knows full well that they have already got someone whom they've decided will fill it anyway. So, even if you get called interview the whole process is a pretence; a total sham which simply needs to be affected in order to be seen to comply superficially with laws which state that job vacancies must be advertised.[/p][/quote]a lot of the public sector jobs and that is all that is in wales really are all taken by relatives etc[/p][/quote]Yeah and in England too! Remember when they used to clean the storm gullies regularly and dredge the rivers in Somerset......those were the days. Thank goodness we got rid of all lthose non important public sector jobs.. The captain is a Basket case and hes running the country: http://youtu.be/KtbU bigVMF4[/p][/quote]Didn't WAG just recruit another 400 pen-pushers? I don't think that was Cameron's decision. But sure as eggs someone is paying them. http://m.bbc.co.uk/n ews/uk-wales-politic s-25849068 Llanmartinangel
  • Score: -10

10:57pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Egberto says...

150 job applications this year doesn't suggest that he is taking any care tailoring his CV and cover letter for the jobs. No one is going to look at a generic application when there is so much competition around. I don't see why he doesn't just redirect his energy into setting up self employed and cut out the faff.
150 job applications this year doesn't suggest that he is taking any care tailoring his CV and cover letter for the jobs. No one is going to look at a generic application when there is so much competition around. I don't see why he doesn't just redirect his energy into setting up self employed and cut out the faff. Egberto
  • Score: -11

8:41am Fri 21 Feb 14

Independentvoter says...

I have a disability, Not one able-bodied person has knocked my door to see if I want my windows cleaned or garden tidied in 4 years. The last window cleaner I had bought a set of ladders and a bucket with his benefits, got off his butt, signed off and did some hard manual work. He eventually moved on to larger contracts. So there is work there if you really want it. It might just mean getting your hands dirty.
I have a disability, Not one able-bodied person has knocked my door to see if I want my windows cleaned or garden tidied in 4 years. The last window cleaner I had bought a set of ladders and a bucket with his benefits, got off his butt, signed off and did some hard manual work. He eventually moved on to larger contracts. So there is work there if you really want it. It might just mean getting your hands dirty. Independentvoter
  • Score: 3

10:26am Fri 21 Feb 14

Mervyn James says...

white white wrote:
Griff boy wrote:
Why does he say recruitment agencies are a barrier? I work in a place where many of the workers started as agency temps and have been given permanent contracts. Some been in the jobs years after starting through agency.....no barrier there!!
I currently work for a recruitment agency at a large
Food production factory near newport, I'm on minimum
Wage and so are the normal plant employees . The term
Temporary worker is norma,l all employees are temp
For 13 weeks (probationary period) then it's up to the employer
If they won't to keep you on, I have been there for 4 months and
Content to be in work, although I'm on 0 contract I work 30 hours
One week ,40 ish the next, then 30 hrs. You get the drift . Mr Davis contact
Your careers adviser and ask about it
Sounds like they have you by the short and curlies frankly, holding the no security whatever of work or continuity to keep you guessing. Of course while on zero hours zero allowances too, so no work, no pay, and no benefits either,while trying to cope with ATOS who want to hang everyone out to dry. I read the blind are going to sue the DWP/ATOS because they send out letters blind cannot read, no braille, and when they didn't get a reply cut the blind off so they couldn't eat or pay rents,50 cases are pending. Or as Cameron put it, empowering people to stand on their own feet and starve in the process. Last time mass employment was in Wales they walked to London asking for work, Londoner's spat on them. The Jarrod marchers went there for food, they spat on them too.
[quote][p][bold]white white[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Griff boy[/bold] wrote: Why does he say recruitment agencies are a barrier? I work in a place where many of the workers started as agency temps and have been given permanent contracts. Some been in the jobs years after starting through agency.....no barrier there!![/p][/quote]I currently work for a recruitment agency at a large Food production factory near newport, I'm on minimum Wage and so are the normal plant employees . The term Temporary worker is norma,l all employees are temp For 13 weeks (probationary period) then it's up to the employer If they won't to keep you on, I have been there for 4 months and Content to be in work, although I'm on 0 contract I work 30 hours One week ,40 ish the next, then 30 hrs. You get the drift . Mr Davis contact Your careers adviser and ask about it[/p][/quote]Sounds like they have you by the short and curlies frankly, holding the no security whatever of work or continuity to keep you guessing. Of course while on zero hours zero allowances too, so no work, no pay, and no benefits either,while trying to cope with ATOS who want to hang everyone out to dry. I read the blind are going to sue the DWP/ATOS because they send out letters blind cannot read, no braille, and when they didn't get a reply cut the blind off so they couldn't eat or pay rents,50 cases are pending. Or as Cameron put it, empowering people to stand on their own feet and starve in the process. Last time mass employment was in Wales they walked to London asking for work, Londoner's spat on them. The Jarrod marchers went there for food, they spat on them too. Mervyn James
  • Score: -1

2:26pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Dafydd y Garreg Wen says...

Can't find a username wrote:
I've applied for a few jobs in Bristol, almost without exception the first thing I get asked is "How do you feel about travelling over the bridge?" The impression I get is that, even though it's only twenty or so miles away, people are reluctant to hire staff from this side of the water.

I had one interview there last summer and the feedback was they were "very impressed with my experience and attitude but unfortunately there was someone with similar experience who was more local"
My Company recruits for its Bristol office and has taken on people from South Wales. Unfortunately the bridge has proven to be an issue, as after a while you start to get a few moans about the daily toll cost. This then often culminates in the employee asking for more money or leaving because of the expense, either way it is an additional cost that we can ill afford. That bridge is a huge barrier to business and recruitment, the WAG should follow the example of their Scottish counterparts and get the tolls removed.
[quote][p][bold]Can't find a username[/bold] wrote: I've applied for a few jobs in Bristol, almost without exception the first thing I get asked is "How do you feel about travelling over the bridge?" The impression I get is that, even though it's only twenty or so miles away, people are reluctant to hire staff from this side of the water. I had one interview there last summer and the feedback was they were "very impressed with my experience and attitude but unfortunately there was someone with similar experience who was more local"[/p][/quote]My Company recruits for its Bristol office and has taken on people from South Wales. Unfortunately the bridge has proven to be an issue, as after a while you start to get a few moans about the daily toll cost. This then often culminates in the employee asking for more money or leaving because of the expense, either way it is an additional cost that we can ill afford. That bridge is a huge barrier to business and recruitment, the WAG should follow the example of their Scottish counterparts and get the tolls removed. Dafydd y Garreg Wen
  • Score: 5

8:55pm Fri 21 Feb 14

scraptheWAG says...

Dafydd y Garreg Wen wrote:
Can't find a username wrote:
I've applied for a few jobs in Bristol, almost without exception the first thing I get asked is "How do you feel about travelling over the bridge?" The impression I get is that, even though it's only twenty or so miles away, people are reluctant to hire staff from this side of the water.

I had one interview there last summer and the feedback was they were "very impressed with my experience and attitude but unfortunately there was someone with similar experience who was more local"
My Company recruits for its Bristol office and has taken on people from South Wales. Unfortunately the bridge has proven to be an issue, as after a while you start to get a few moans about the daily toll cost. This then often culminates in the employee asking for more money or leaving because of the expense, either way it is an additional cost that we can ill afford. That bridge is a huge barrier to business and recruitment, the WAG should follow the example of their Scottish counterparts and get the tolls removed.
no the WAG would rather waste the money on a daft stone age language how on earth can they explain the vast difference between bristol a modern progrssive city and the absolute basket case that newport has now become.
[quote][p][bold]Dafydd y Garreg Wen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Can't find a username[/bold] wrote: I've applied for a few jobs in Bristol, almost without exception the first thing I get asked is "How do you feel about travelling over the bridge?" The impression I get is that, even though it's only twenty or so miles away, people are reluctant to hire staff from this side of the water. I had one interview there last summer and the feedback was they were "very impressed with my experience and attitude but unfortunately there was someone with similar experience who was more local"[/p][/quote]My Company recruits for its Bristol office and has taken on people from South Wales. Unfortunately the bridge has proven to be an issue, as after a while you start to get a few moans about the daily toll cost. This then often culminates in the employee asking for more money or leaving because of the expense, either way it is an additional cost that we can ill afford. That bridge is a huge barrier to business and recruitment, the WAG should follow the example of their Scottish counterparts and get the tolls removed.[/p][/quote]no the WAG would rather waste the money on a daft stone age language how on earth can they explain the vast difference between bristol a modern progrssive city and the absolute basket case that newport has now become. scraptheWAG
  • Score: -5

10:43am Sat 22 Feb 14

Milkmanofhumankindness says...

News Flash:

A Message from UKIPHQ............ Heathrow Airport is so busy dealing with 148 million Ukrainians from Kiev entering the UK, and to make matters worse millions of martians have landed in Essex!

No wonder employment prospects are so bad must be Labours fault.
vote Ukip/ BNP or Tory to solve all the problems.
News Flash: A Message from UKIPHQ............ Heathrow Airport is so busy dealing with 148 million Ukrainians from Kiev entering the UK, and to make matters worse millions of martians have landed in Essex! No wonder employment prospects are so bad must be Labours fault. vote Ukip/ BNP or Tory to solve all the problems. Milkmanofhumankindness
  • Score: 9

12:24pm Sat 22 Feb 14

procvwriter says...

Hi Mr Green,

I am just wondering if it's your CV that is letting you down - have this ever crossed your mind.

I am a Professional CV Writer - and I would not mind doing you a Free CV in return for a case study/testimonial, when you get that job.

Send me your existing CV details to info@eastangliacvser
vices.co.uk.

Sincerely,
Gerry O'Neill
Hi Mr Green, I am just wondering if it's your CV that is letting you down - have this ever crossed your mind. I am a Professional CV Writer - and I would not mind doing you a Free CV in return for a case study/testimonial, when you get that job. Send me your existing CV details to info@eastangliacvser vices.co.uk. Sincerely, Gerry O'Neill procvwriter
  • Score: 0

2:29pm Sat 22 Feb 14

welshmen says...

Milkmanofhumankindne
ss
wrote:
News Flash:

A Message from UKIPHQ............ Heathrow Airport is so busy dealing with 148 million Ukrainians from Kiev entering the UK, and to make matters worse millions of martians have landed in Essex!

No wonder employment prospects are so bad must be Labours fault.
vote Ukip/ BNP or Tory to solve all the problems.
It's 46 Million in that Country, and your right again, it was Your leftist Marxist Labour Party that ruined our Country, I hope the time comes when your labour Westminster members are brought before British Courts for treason, illegal wars killed thousands, Ukip or the BNP haven't killed anyone, your a supporter of killing thousands of Muslims by voting Labour, prayers at the Barracks yesterday with your brothers, plotting more trouble....
[quote][p][bold]Milkmanofhumankindne ss[/bold] wrote: News Flash: A Message from UKIPHQ............ Heathrow Airport is so busy dealing with 148 million Ukrainians from Kiev entering the UK, and to make matters worse millions of martians have landed in Essex! No wonder employment prospects are so bad must be Labours fault. vote Ukip/ BNP or Tory to solve all the problems.[/p][/quote]It's 46 Million in that Country, and your right again, it was Your leftist Marxist Labour Party that ruined our Country, I hope the time comes when your labour Westminster members are brought before British Courts for treason, illegal wars killed thousands, Ukip or the BNP haven't killed anyone, your a supporter of killing thousands of Muslims by voting Labour, prayers at the Barracks yesterday with your brothers, plotting more trouble.... welshmen
  • Score: -12

3:16pm Mon 24 Feb 14

mechengineer14 says...

Only 600? I applied to well over 8,000 jobs at over 1000 different companies country and worldwide over a 5 year period before I found one. But I still empathize with this man very much. I am from Canada; I graduated mechanical engineering in 2009 and never found a long term job until 2014, almost 5 years later. I have a spreadsheet of all of the jobs/companies/recru
itment firms for which I applied. As a new grad, it is extremely difficult to compete against experienced guys. As a new grad after 2 years but still without experience it is essentially impossible, (meaning I am no longer able to apply for new graduate development programs at most companies because I am now considered an “experienced engineer” but lacking experience.)

So before you start thinking of suggestions for this man, realize that sometimes a person is already doing everything they can to find a job. I have heard all of the suggestions “Oh try here, they are hiring, or try this region or even this country, or try this website, or try this recruitment firm, have you went to career fairs, or have you had your resume looked at, or have you tried cold calling, or maybe your setting your sights too high, or are you being too picky about jobs, have you tried networking? Etc etc etc…” Believe me, there is literally no suggestion you could have made to me that I have not already heard and already tried.

I applied to every different industry out there, every type and level of job. I tried cold calling, cold emailing. I applied for entry level positions at companies just to get my foot in the door. I would get rejected for data entry clerk jobs, assistant jobs, even labour jobs at these big companies. I was signed up on every job site, monster, linkedin, etc. I had literally exhausted every facet possible.

Since I paid for my own schooling through loans, I was forced to work outside my field after a year out of school. I worked many labour jobs here and there for a few months. I had my resume reviewed by resume critiques several times. I had gone to interview workshops, all kinds of things. I went to about 2-4 local career fairs a year (those became useless as I realized half of the companies weren’t actually hiring but just there for appearance. I spoke with every single recruitment firm locally and many others across the country. They were mostly useless to me. I had many interviews with them and with their clients (the actual hiring company). But one actually told me that I was being given to the employer as part of a range of potential employees (me being the least experienced). In this way, the recruiter gives a range of experiences to the employer with me always being at the bottom, as just someone to compare the rest to. The recruiter essentially told me I probably wouldn’t get the job but it is still a chance.

Finally I found a kind-of-engineering job in oil and gas sector in early 2013 only to be laid off 2 months later. From this, I had enough money saved up that I beat the odds by making applying my whole life and more than a full time job and applying to about 3000 jobs in about 7 months. I finally got an offer for a government job and took it in a snap.

I just wanted to share my experience to show that there is always hope, even when it seems most hopeless. If I can get a job with almost no experience after being out of school for almost 5 years, then anything is possible!
Only 600? I applied to well over 8,000 jobs at over 1000 different companies country and worldwide over a 5 year period before I found one. But I still empathize with this man very much. I am from Canada; I graduated mechanical engineering in 2009 and never found a long term job until 2014, almost 5 years later. I have a spreadsheet of all of the jobs/companies/recru itment firms for which I applied. As a new grad, it is extremely difficult to compete against experienced guys. As a new grad after 2 years but still without experience it is essentially impossible, (meaning I am no longer able to apply for new graduate development programs at most companies because I am now considered an “experienced engineer” but lacking experience.) So before you start thinking of suggestions for this man, realize that sometimes a person is already doing everything they can to find a job. I have heard all of the suggestions “Oh try here, they are hiring, or try this region or even this country, or try this website, or try this recruitment firm, have you went to career fairs, or have you had your resume looked at, or have you tried cold calling, or maybe your setting your sights too high, or are you being too picky about jobs, have you tried networking? Etc etc etc…” Believe me, there is literally no suggestion you could have made to me that I have not already heard and already tried. I applied to every different industry out there, every type and level of job. I tried cold calling, cold emailing. I applied for entry level positions at companies just to get my foot in the door. I would get rejected for data entry clerk jobs, assistant jobs, even labour jobs at these big companies. I was signed up on every job site, monster, linkedin, etc. I had literally exhausted every facet possible. Since I paid for my own schooling through loans, I was forced to work outside my field after a year out of school. I worked many labour jobs here and there for a few months. I had my resume reviewed by resume critiques several times. I had gone to interview workshops, all kinds of things. I went to about 2-4 local career fairs a year (those became useless as I realized half of the companies weren’t actually hiring but just there for appearance. I spoke with every single recruitment firm locally and many others across the country. They were mostly useless to me. I had many interviews with them and with their clients (the actual hiring company). But one actually told me that I was being given to the employer as part of a range of potential employees (me being the least experienced). In this way, the recruiter gives a range of experiences to the employer with me always being at the bottom, as just someone to compare the rest to. The recruiter essentially told me I probably wouldn’t get the job but it is still a chance. Finally I found a kind-of-engineering job in oil and gas sector in early 2013 only to be laid off 2 months later. From this, I had enough money saved up that I beat the odds by making applying my whole life and more than a full time job and applying to about 3000 jobs in about 7 months. I finally got an offer for a government job and took it in a snap. I just wanted to share my experience to show that there is always hope, even when it seems most hopeless. If I can get a job with almost no experience after being out of school for almost 5 years, then anything is possible! mechengineer14
  • Score: 0

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