Policing should be devolved to Wales - Silk Commission

South Wales Argus: Policing should be devolved to Wales - Silk Commission Policing should be devolved to Wales - Silk Commission

WALES should take powers over policing, the railways, S4C and teachers pay - but there should be more AMs in return.

That’s according to the second Silk Commission report which calls for the whole model for how devolution works in Wales to be changed, bringing it in line with Scotland and Northern Ireland.

But it is unlikely that any of the proposals that would need new legislation seeing the light of day until after 2015.

According to the report the National Assembly should be able to take control of: • Most aspects of policing
• Powers over ports, rail, bus and taxi regulation, speed and drink drive limits
• Control of the funding of S4C
• Teachers pay

It also calls for a “phased approach” to the devolution of the justice system, with the youth justice system devolved immediately and a feasibility study for the devolution of prisons and probation.

However the report says there is not a broad consensus in favour of wholesale devolution of the justice system at the present time.

Competence for water should be aligned to the border. In total the commission has made 61 recommendations.

The commission also calls for more backbench members of the Assembly, although it’s not clear how many it thinks there should be.

Improvements to the Assembly’s effectiveness could be made in the short term, however, with the report arguing for greater flexibility on the number and size of committees, more research staff and better use of Assembly members’ time.

Paul Silk’s commission recommended moving from the so-called conferred powers model of devolution – where Wales’ powers are specifically laid out – to a reserved powers model.

This sets out which powers are not devolved, rather than the powers that are, bringing Wales into line with Scotland and Northern Ireland.

According to the commission such a system would make Wales’ responsibilities clearer.

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10:01am Mon 3 Mar 14

grumpyandopinionated says...

You've got to be joking, they can't handle the powers they already have, and cost too much already and they want to increase the cost when budgets are being tightened. What part of "Value for money" to politician's not understand???
You've got to be joking, they can't handle the powers they already have, and cost too much already and they want to increase the cost when budgets are being tightened. What part of "Value for money" to politician's not understand??? grumpyandopinionated
  • Score: 6

10:06am Mon 3 Mar 14

grumpyandopinionated says...

In my opinion they should be looking at consilidating and sharing rather than seperating everything up. All police forces should be merged into 1 with the comissioners scrapped. The hundreds of over paid and underperforming staff gotten rid off. The whole public sector needs to be run as if it was in the private sector. Which instead of high salaries, minimum living wage should be paid to all and bonuses paid to bring it up to the salary they have now if they perform well.
In my opinion they should be looking at consilidating and sharing rather than seperating everything up. All police forces should be merged into 1 with the comissioners scrapped. The hundreds of over paid and underperforming staff gotten rid off. The whole public sector needs to be run as if it was in the private sector. Which instead of high salaries, minimum living wage should be paid to all and bonuses paid to bring it up to the salary they have now if they perform well. grumpyandopinionated
  • Score: -4

10:44am Mon 3 Mar 14

siameselady says...

Please no!
Please no! siameselady
  • Score: 4

10:59am Mon 3 Mar 14

white white says...

Wales has 4police forces with population of over
3million, Scotland and northern Ireland both have a single
Police force, both with slightly more or less in numbers in population
The 4police chiefs ,agree with a devolved and single police force,the silk commission
Says there should be a devolved police force,those against will be the
Majority of welsh based mps , who are losing there say in wales, the justice
Ministry,the home office the welsh most prob and the dozens on here who will
Be negative .
Wales has 4police forces with population of over 3million, Scotland and northern Ireland both have a single Police force, both with slightly more or less in numbers in population The 4police chiefs ,agree with a devolved and single police force,the silk commission Says there should be a devolved police force,those against will be the Majority of welsh based mps , who are losing there say in wales, the justice Ministry,the home office the welsh most prob and the dozens on here who will Be negative . white white
  • Score: -6

11:48am Mon 3 Mar 14

whatintheworld says...

grumpyandopinionated wrote:
In my opinion they should be looking at consilidating and sharing rather than seperating everything up. All police forces should be merged into 1 with the comissioners scrapped. The hundreds of over paid and underperforming staff gotten rid off. The whole public sector needs to be run as if it was in the private sector. Which instead of high salaries, minimum living wage should be paid to all and bonuses paid to bring it up to the salary they have now if they perform well.
most public sector staff are on the "minimum living wage" or lower already.
bonuses should be removed from the public sector all together.

teachers pay, water and energy schemes should be devolved. leave the extra ams and control of the justice system thanks.
[quote][p][bold]grumpyandopinionated[/bold] wrote: In my opinion they should be looking at consilidating and sharing rather than seperating everything up. All police forces should be merged into 1 with the comissioners scrapped. The hundreds of over paid and underperforming staff gotten rid off. The whole public sector needs to be run as if it was in the private sector. Which instead of high salaries, minimum living wage should be paid to all and bonuses paid to bring it up to the salary they have now if they perform well.[/p][/quote]most public sector staff are on the "minimum living wage" or lower already. bonuses should be removed from the public sector all together. teachers pay, water and energy schemes should be devolved. leave the extra ams and control of the justice system thanks. whatintheworld
  • Score: -6

12:21pm Mon 3 Mar 14

white white says...

grumpyandopinionated wrote:
In my opinion they should be looking at consilidating and sharing rather than seperating everything up. All police forces should be merged into 1 with the comissioners scrapped. The hundreds of over paid and underperforming staff gotten rid off. The whole public sector needs to be run as if it was in the private sector. Which instead of high salaries, minimum living wage should be paid to all and bonuses paid to bring it up to the salary they have now if they perform well.
Agree
[quote][p][bold]grumpyandopinionated[/bold] wrote: In my opinion they should be looking at consilidating and sharing rather than seperating everything up. All police forces should be merged into 1 with the comissioners scrapped. The hundreds of over paid and underperforming staff gotten rid off. The whole public sector needs to be run as if it was in the private sector. Which instead of high salaries, minimum living wage should be paid to all and bonuses paid to bring it up to the salary they have now if they perform well.[/p][/quote]Agree white white
  • Score: 0

12:40pm Mon 3 Mar 14

varteg1 says...

I am certain the ordinary plod cannot be blamed, but before any mergers are contemplated it would be satisfying and comforting to actually see uniforms visiting our streets, on a regular basis, not just when someone makes a 999 call.

Where I live, I nearly had a stroke when two vehicles turned up yesterday, apparently a neighbour had a visit after she complained someone had thrown something at her window.
What are these 'community' officers supposed to be doing if not taking on such irrelevant occurences?
A large van, with two officers, and a estate vehicle with another officer....three to 'investigate what can only be perceived as a very minor infraction.

On a par basis, I suppose we could expect the whole Gwent force to turn out to a murder.

If that money sucker the local PCC does anything to earn his keep, maybe he should be looking to doing what poll after poll has shown to be demanded, getting boots on the streets, and out of cars.

I know cars have their uses, but public perception decries the lack of presence.

Merging forces will suit the suits', and so the empire will grow, just look at what happened to the NHS when that management regime came into existence.
I am certain the ordinary plod cannot be blamed, but before any mergers are contemplated it would be satisfying and comforting to actually see uniforms visiting our streets, on a regular basis, not just when someone makes a 999 call. Where I live, I nearly had a stroke when two vehicles turned up yesterday, apparently a neighbour had a visit after she complained someone had thrown something at her window. What are these 'community' officers supposed to be doing if not taking on such irrelevant occurences? A large van, with two officers, and a estate vehicle with another officer....three to 'investigate what can only be perceived as a very minor infraction. On a par basis, I suppose we could expect the whole Gwent force to turn out to a murder. If that money sucker the local PCC does anything to earn his keep, maybe he should be looking to doing what poll after poll has shown to be demanded, getting boots on the streets, and out of cars. I know cars have their uses, but public perception decries the lack of presence. Merging forces will suit the suits', and so the empire will grow, just look at what happened to the NHS when that management regime came into existence. varteg1
  • Score: 0

1:01pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Crossbenchtory says...

I note that in the Executive Summary it states that the Assembly "... is permanent while the majority of Welsh people want it ..."

Seems to me that Silk is hinting that, with the significant increase in the number of people wanting to abolish it, maybe there should be a referendum on the Assemby's abolition.

Of course Chairman Jones and his politburo, not to mention all the other invertebrates that populate the Assembly, would never allow that to happen as there is too greater risk that the people of Wales would vote to take their little gravy train off them.
I note that in the Executive Summary it states that the Assembly "... is permanent while the majority of Welsh people want it ..." Seems to me that Silk is hinting that, with the significant increase in the number of people wanting to abolish it, maybe there should be a referendum on the Assemby's abolition. Of course Chairman Jones and his politburo, not to mention all the other invertebrates that populate the Assembly, would never allow that to happen as there is too greater risk that the people of Wales would vote to take their little gravy train off them. Crossbenchtory
  • Score: 4

7:32pm Mon 3 Mar 14

white white says...

Crossbenchtory wrote:
I note that in the Executive Summary it states that the Assembly "... is permanent while the majority of Welsh people want it ..."

Seems to me that Silk is hinting that, with the significant increase in the number of people wanting to abolish it, maybe there should be a referendum on the Assemby's abolition.

Of course Chairman Jones and his politburo, not to mention all the other invertebrates that populate the Assembly, would never allow that to happen as there is too greater risk that the people of Wales would vote to take their little gravy train off them.
Read it properly and he says there is a DECREASE in people wanting it abolished
[quote][p][bold]Crossbenchtory[/bold] wrote: I note that in the Executive Summary it states that the Assembly "... is permanent while the majority of Welsh people want it ..." Seems to me that Silk is hinting that, with the significant increase in the number of people wanting to abolish it, maybe there should be a referendum on the Assemby's abolition. Of course Chairman Jones and his politburo, not to mention all the other invertebrates that populate the Assembly, would never allow that to happen as there is too greater risk that the people of Wales would vote to take their little gravy train off them.[/p][/quote]Read it properly and he says there is a DECREASE in people wanting it abolished white white
  • Score: 2

7:37pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Crossbenchtory says...

white white wrote:
Crossbenchtory wrote:
I note that in the Executive Summary it states that the Assembly "... is permanent while the majority of Welsh people want it ..."

Seems to me that Silk is hinting that, with the significant increase in the number of people wanting to abolish it, maybe there should be a referendum on the Assemby's abolition.

Of course Chairman Jones and his politburo, not to mention all the other invertebrates that populate the Assembly, would never allow that to happen as there is too greater risk that the people of Wales would vote to take their little gravy train off them.
Read it properly and he says there is a DECREASE in people wanting it abolished
Maybe if you bothered to keep up to date you would know that the St David's Day Poll in Wales showed a fairly dramatic increase in the numbers wanting the Assembly abolished, it was that to which I was referring.
[quote][p][bold]white white[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Crossbenchtory[/bold] wrote: I note that in the Executive Summary it states that the Assembly "... is permanent while the majority of Welsh people want it ..." Seems to me that Silk is hinting that, with the significant increase in the number of people wanting to abolish it, maybe there should be a referendum on the Assemby's abolition. Of course Chairman Jones and his politburo, not to mention all the other invertebrates that populate the Assembly, would never allow that to happen as there is too greater risk that the people of Wales would vote to take their little gravy train off them.[/p][/quote]Read it properly and he says there is a DECREASE in people wanting it abolished[/p][/quote]Maybe if you bothered to keep up to date you would know that the St David's Day Poll in Wales showed a fairly dramatic increase in the numbers wanting the Assembly abolished, it was that to which I was referring. Crossbenchtory
  • Score: 2

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