Council pledge as pic shows Newport Clock in bits

IN PIECES: The Festival Clock at Newport Docks

POPULAR: The clock when it was a feature in John Frost Square, Newport

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NEWPORT council has assured city residents that plans are still in place for the partial reconstruction of the Festival Clock after a photo emerged of the artwork being stored in the open.

Around a year ago a Newport cabinet member gave the green light for the much-loved timepiece to be rebuilt and displayed on a roundabout near Llanwern's Glan Llyn development. Its not clear precisely when it will be rebuilt but the authority says it will happen later this year.

The statement came after a Facebook user posted this photo of the structure in a yard at Newport Docks on the Argus page.

The picture, posted by 'Jimbo Blue', asked if anyone could "explain why this is down the docks?"

Allan Morris, Lliswerry Labour councillor, said the animated clock was "something that Newport people were justifiably proud of."

"It shouldn't be lying there like it's in a scrap yard. It should be on display," he said.

The structure had originally cost £100,000 to build for the Ebbw Vale Garden Festival in 1992.

Under current plans the artwork, known as In the Nick of Time, would be able to tell the time but would not open up on the hour in the way that had attracted crowds to its previous home of Newport city centre.

Developers St Modwen offered up to £10,000 for the project, aiming to save £8,000 in annual storage costs.

Nick Webb of the Newport Civic Society said it was "news to him" that the clock was currently in pieces at the city's docks.

He said the clock of considerable concern to members of the civic society.

"We would like to see the clock rebuilt sooner rather than later," he said.

A council spokeswoman said: "Plans to locate the clock at the entrance to the city's newest community are in place.

"The Nick of Time clock is out of permanent storage ready to be reassembled and sited on the gateway roundabout of Glan Llyn later this year.

"St Modwen, The developers of the former Llanwern steelworks site, have paid for the reinstatement of the clock as a static working timepiece."

The clock was put in storage in preparation for the initial Friars Walk scheme in 2008.

In 2011 several proposals were made for its future, including private sale, scrapping it, keeping it in storage, restoring it and relocating it. The cost of refurbishment was expected to be £59,000 with maintenance costs of £21,000.

The then-Tory/Lib Dem cabinet decided against scrapping the clock in 2012 following public feedback, including a Facebook campaign.

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10:15am Wed 5 Mar 14

Bobevans says...

Not so much stored as dumped. No attempt seems to have been made at all to protect it from the elements
Not so much stored as dumped. No attempt seems to have been made at all to protect it from the elements Bobevans
  • Score: 33

10:56am Wed 5 Mar 14

ncfcr says...

That has to be the most difficult to read news article I've ever had the misfortune of reading. Please tell me nobody was paid for that.
That has to be the most difficult to read news article I've ever had the misfortune of reading. Please tell me nobody was paid for that. ncfcr
  • Score: 21

11:07am Wed 5 Mar 14

Forgive Me If I'm Wrong says...

The mural all over again. I thought the clock was brilliant, my kids used to love it along with plenty of others who stopped to appreciate it as I remember.
But wow that was back when JFS was full of people. People shopping, just out for fresh air, meeting their friends, getting some lunch etc etc. It was a noisy place and the people were happy and smiling! Wow, the memory was so vivid then it shocked me, I really heard the laughter and saw the smiles. I'm sure I did.
The mural all over again. I thought the clock was brilliant, my kids used to love it along with plenty of others who stopped to appreciate it as I remember. But wow that was back when JFS was full of people. People shopping, just out for fresh air, meeting their friends, getting some lunch etc etc. It was a noisy place and the people were happy and smiling! Wow, the memory was so vivid then it shocked me, I really heard the laughter and saw the smiles. I'm sure I did. Forgive Me If I'm Wrong
  • Score: 47

11:19am Wed 5 Mar 14

Turv01 says...

I agree with the above! : "Cllr Morris had been right next to first saw the structure, which cost had been built for £100,000 to build, when it had been was on display at Ebbw Vale Garden Festival in 1992"
I agree with the above! : "Cllr Morris had been right next to first saw the structure, which cost had been built for £100,000 to build, when it had been was on display at Ebbw Vale Garden Festival in 1992" Turv01
  • Score: 4

12:34pm Wed 5 Mar 14

wagtail says...

In 2011 several proposals were made for its future, including private sale, scrapping it, keeping it in storage, restoring it and relocating it. The cost of refurbishment was expected to be £59,000 with maintenance costs of £21,000.

As discussed in 2011, and this is What NCC call storage storage?

Refurbishment costs have gone up due to weathering, but this council dont care.

Ah well, at least its in a better state than the mural. FOR NOW !!!
In 2011 several proposals were made for its future, including private sale, scrapping it, keeping it in storage, restoring it and relocating it. The cost of refurbishment was expected to be £59,000 with maintenance costs of £21,000. As discussed in 2011, and this is What NCC call storage storage? Refurbishment costs have gone up due to weathering, but this council dont care. Ah well, at least its in a better state than the mural. FOR NOW !!! wagtail
  • Score: 12

1:14pm Wed 5 Mar 14

russ angel says...

I am lost for words again,pure disgrace.Hang your head's in shame I can't even look any of this lot in the face,do the decent thing and go back to the hole's you came out of the lot of you and resign.
I am lost for words again,pure disgrace.Hang your head's in shame I can't even look any of this lot in the face,do the decent thing and go back to the hole's you came out of the lot of you and resign. russ angel
  • Score: 22

2:11pm Wed 5 Mar 14

Evil Flanker says...

Anyone except me remember how busy town used to be where the clock used to be in JFS - A popular gathering spot to have a little lunch, they get rid of everything worth coming to Newport to see, disgusting way to promote our town... Give people a reason to go to town and stay a while (NOT INCLUDING SHOPS) and we might not see the death of this town, that has been creeping up on us since the 80's
Anyone except me remember how busy town used to be where the clock used to be in JFS - A popular gathering spot to have a little lunch, they get rid of everything worth coming to Newport to see, disgusting way to promote our town... Give people a reason to go to town and stay a while (NOT INCLUDING SHOPS) and we might not see the death of this town, that has been creeping up on us since the 80's Evil Flanker
  • Score: 18

3:16pm Wed 5 Mar 14

Walter Devereux says...

The clock was certainly popular in its time, but in my opinion that time has passed. We should be aiming for something better.
The clock was certainly popular in its time, but in my opinion that time has passed. We should be aiming for something better. Walter Devereux
  • Score: -18

3:39pm Wed 5 Mar 14

Concerned-Individual says...

It is just a waste to see the clock in such a state that would redoubtable see the refurbish costs soar unnecessary which I hope will not be a factor stopping its refurbishment. Newport should be aiming for something better but that does not mean we should destroy everything about its heritage and history. From a child either working or not working the clock was an attraction that when it was due to go off, regardless how many times you have seen it would see you standing there every time. It is a sad state of affair when pieces of Newport’s local history are destroyed in situations that could have been avoidable.
It is just a waste to see the clock in such a state that would redoubtable see the refurbish costs soar unnecessary which I hope will not be a factor stopping its refurbishment. Newport should be aiming for something better but that does not mean we should destroy everything about its heritage and history. From a child either working or not working the clock was an attraction that when it was due to go off, regardless how many times you have seen it would see you standing there every time. It is a sad state of affair when pieces of Newport’s local history are destroyed in situations that could have been avoidable. Concerned-Individual
  • Score: 19

3:41pm Wed 5 Mar 14

arjwain says...

put it back in town . it gained a lot of visitors . it will be missed down Llanwern's Glan Llyn development.. who will see it ?

it could go opposite pound land so people can just walk under it .:)
put it back in town . it gained a lot of visitors . it will be missed down Llanwern's Glan Llyn development.. who will see it ? it could go opposite pound land so people can just walk under it .:) arjwain
  • Score: 22

4:37pm Wed 5 Mar 14

Natalie88 says...

It's a shame that this clock will be placed somewhere that restricts the number of people seeing it and that it won't open up on the hour. I used to watch this clock at The Garden Festival and whenever I went shopping I would sit in the square with my parents & brother to have food and watch the clock. It would be nice to see it fully restored and placed somewhere that a lot of people will see it, maybe back in Newport or Ebbw Vale.
It's a shame that this clock will be placed somewhere that restricts the number of people seeing it and that it won't open up on the hour. I used to watch this clock at The Garden Festival and whenever I went shopping I would sit in the square with my parents & brother to have food and watch the clock. It would be nice to see it fully restored and placed somewhere that a lot of people will see it, maybe back in Newport or Ebbw Vale. Natalie88
  • Score: 19

5:18pm Wed 5 Mar 14

Welshchief says...

This clock is like marmite, you either love it or hate it. I hate it! It's an eyesore, so just right for Newport. Not. Send it back to Ebbw Vale. Why waste money again and leave the town looking crap. Neither Cwmbran, Cardiff or Bristol would have it? We are just about to get a great development in Kingsway. Why put crap in John Frost Square, landscape the Square, make it park like, somewhere to sit, rest, have fun, not the concrete cow it is now. An inner city park surrounded by the new cinema, food establishments and shops. That is what we need to start to take back the city for the people. Let's get the city looking like what we deserve, then business and people will return.
This clock is like marmite, you either love it or hate it. I hate it! It's an eyesore, so just right for Newport. Not. Send it back to Ebbw Vale. Why waste money again and leave the town looking crap. Neither Cwmbran, Cardiff or Bristol would have it? We are just about to get a great development in Kingsway. Why put crap in John Frost Square, landscape the Square, make it park like, somewhere to sit, rest, have fun, not the concrete cow it is now. An inner city park surrounded by the new cinema, food establishments and shops. That is what we need to start to take back the city for the people. Let's get the city looking like what we deserve, then business and people will return. Welshchief
  • Score: -18

5:38pm Wed 5 Mar 14

peckylecky says...

I used to make a point , if I was in town , to keep an eye on the time so that I would not miss the clock as it struck the hour. Lots of people must have felt the same as there was always a decent crowd to watch the event. What a shame that it is now just a memory. I wish I had taken a video.
I used to make a point , if I was in town , to keep an eye on the time so that I would not miss the clock as it struck the hour. Lots of people must have felt the same as there was always a decent crowd to watch the event. What a shame that it is now just a memory. I wish I had taken a video. peckylecky
  • Score: 19

6:02pm Wed 5 Mar 14

keithbob says...

its down there for one purpose,birds recycling plant is down the docks!
its down there for one purpose,birds recycling plant is down the docks! keithbob
  • Score: -4

6:16pm Wed 5 Mar 14

Dave on his Soapbox says...

....the time has come for everyone to vote for UKIP in the European and local elections.....not because they have any viable alternative policies etc......but to give those currently in power all a massive wake up call....it's about time they listened to us the electorate.... and not just do what they want.
....the time has come for everyone to vote for UKIP in the European and local elections.....not because they have any viable alternative policies etc......but to give those currently in power all a massive wake up call....it's about time they listened to us the electorate.... and not just do what they want. Dave on his Soapbox
  • Score: 5

6:17pm Wed 5 Mar 14

Gerald of Wales says...

"Much loved time-piece" - you surely are having a laugh
"Much loved time-piece" - you surely are having a laugh Gerald of Wales
  • Score: -14

6:18pm Wed 5 Mar 14

arjwain says...

lets all go down the docks and drag it back into town :) im sure there are enough readers will building skills and metal work .put it were the people of Newport wants it ..cant be always down the the toffs in suites from up the council .
and may i add incase im arrested . no riots are breaking the law , so im not insisting a riot or violent ..omg i think ive done it now and im still going to hit post NOOOOO
lets all go down the docks and drag it back into town :) im sure there are enough readers will building skills and metal work .put it were the people of Newport wants it ..cant be always down the the toffs in suites from up the council . and may i add incase im arrested . no riots are breaking the law , so im not insisting a riot or violent ..omg i think ive done it now and im still going to hit post NOOOOO arjwain
  • Score: 3

6:19pm Wed 5 Mar 14

Gerald of Wales says...

"Much loved timepiece" - you surely are not serious!
"Much loved timepiece" - you surely are not serious! Gerald of Wales
  • Score: -18

7:27pm Wed 5 Mar 14

scraptheWAG says...

nearly 700 quid a month to store that crap wow somebody is onto a good deal
nearly 700 quid a month to store that crap wow somebody is onto a good deal scraptheWAG
  • Score: -5

10:25pm Wed 5 Mar 14

grumpyandopinionated says...

keithbob wrote:
its down there for one purpose,birds recycling plant is down the docks!
Don't you mean simms?? I agree with the one comment though it is a bit like marmite, it's great to see it open the first few times then it just became boring, but when it was moved it was missed as it did feel like it belonged there as some sort of focal point, now it's left out in the open it's just a disgrace, they've paid a fortune for the newport ship so why not treated this the same.
[quote][p][bold]keithbob[/bold] wrote: its down there for one purpose,birds recycling plant is down the docks![/p][/quote]Don't you mean simms?? I agree with the one comment though it is a bit like marmite, it's great to see it open the first few times then it just became boring, but when it was moved it was missed as it did feel like it belonged there as some sort of focal point, now it's left out in the open it's just a disgrace, they've paid a fortune for the newport ship so why not treated this the same. grumpyandopinionated
  • Score: -2

10:50pm Wed 5 Mar 14

Floppy backed says...

Gerald of Wales wrote:
"Much loved timepiece" - you surely are not serious!
Absolutely, dreadful bit of art I've seen. Hardly worked when it was erected. As for in bits - hardly, its stored and instead of handing it over for a bargain £10k (great investment NCC by the art is supposed to hold its value) better let Simms strip it down and get the scrap value. Please wash our hands of this monstrosity. Toy town clock matched the toy town police station - ruddy awful and ugly - lesson leant!
[quote][p][bold]Gerald of Wales[/bold] wrote: "Much loved timepiece" - you surely are not serious![/p][/quote]Absolutely, dreadful bit of art I've seen. Hardly worked when it was erected. As for in bits - hardly, its stored and instead of handing it over for a bargain £10k (great investment NCC by the art is supposed to hold its value) better let Simms strip it down and get the scrap value. Please wash our hands of this monstrosity. Toy town clock matched the toy town police station - ruddy awful and ugly - lesson leant! Floppy backed
  • Score: -4

11:33pm Wed 5 Mar 14

portman says...

arjwain wrote:
put it back in town . it gained a lot of visitors . it will be missed down Llanwern's Glan Llyn development.. who will see it ?

it could go opposite pound land so people can just walk under it .:)
Get it back where the kids can see it move the ghostly statue of WH Davies to somewhere more appropriate on the site of the pub where he lived the new friars walk plaza
[quote][p][bold]arjwain[/bold] wrote: put it back in town . it gained a lot of visitors . it will be missed down Llanwern's Glan Llyn development.. who will see it ? it could go opposite pound land so people can just walk under it .:)[/p][/quote]Get it back where the kids can see it move the ghostly statue of WH Davies to somewhere more appropriate on the site of the pub where he lived the new friars walk plaza portman
  • Score: 1

7:30am Thu 6 Mar 14

ExNewport says...

Scrap it! Its had its day, why so many Newportonians cling on to these tacky 'artworks' of the recent past baffles me.
Scrap it! Its had its day, why so many Newportonians cling on to these tacky 'artworks' of the recent past baffles me. ExNewport
  • Score: -2

7:38am Thu 6 Mar 14

Newportsucks85 says...

stop living in the past ..... local authorities are not wasting money like they used too, loads of cut backs on jobs, etc etc ... swear u guys just love moaning, who cares for a clock in this day an age honestly ......." it brings back happy memories" if u cared that much foot the bill your self...
stop living in the past ..... local authorities are not wasting money like they used too, loads of cut backs on jobs, etc etc ... swear u guys just love moaning, who cares for a clock in this day an age honestly ......." it brings back happy memories" if u cared that much foot the bill your self... Newportsucks85
  • Score: 1

8:29am Thu 6 Mar 14

keithbob says...

scraptheWAG wrote:
nearly 700 quid a month to store that crap wow somebody is onto a good deal
well if thats storage amongst a pile of coke out in the open,then im sure theres better places to find space in the dry.plenty of empty warehouses around there.only one place thats going -simms as its been pointed out by grumpy.!
[quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: nearly 700 quid a month to store that crap wow somebody is onto a good deal[/p][/quote]well if thats storage amongst a pile of coke out in the open,then im sure theres better places to find space in the dry.plenty of empty warehouses around there.only one place thats going -simms as its been pointed out by grumpy.! keithbob
  • Score: 1

8:29am Thu 6 Mar 14

keithbob says...

scraptheWAG wrote:
nearly 700 quid a month to store that crap wow somebody is onto a good deal
well if thats storage amongst a pile of coke out in the open,then im sure theres better places to find space in the dry.plenty of empty warehouses around there.only one place thats going -simms as its been pointed out by grumpy.!
[quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: nearly 700 quid a month to store that crap wow somebody is onto a good deal[/p][/quote]well if thats storage amongst a pile of coke out in the open,then im sure theres better places to find space in the dry.plenty of empty warehouses around there.only one place thats going -simms as its been pointed out by grumpy.! keithbob
  • Score: 0

8:42am Thu 6 Mar 14

Leepod says...

Scrap it, let sleeping dogs lie
Scrap it, let sleeping dogs lie Leepod
  • Score: 1

9:53am Thu 6 Mar 14

jct says...

http://youtu.be/dBAJ
-3KypZs
http://youtu.be/dBAJ -3KypZs jct
  • Score: 0

11:30am Thu 6 Mar 14

Ceffyl says...

'A council spokeswoman said: "..."The Nick of Time clock is out of permanent storage ready to be reassembled and sited on the gateway roundabout of Glan Llyn later this year."'

What she neglects to mention is that it's been out of permanent storage and sitting in its current location since last spring.
'A council spokeswoman said: "..."The Nick of Time clock is out of permanent storage ready to be reassembled and sited on the gateway roundabout of Glan Llyn later this year."' What she neglects to mention is that it's been out of permanent storage and sitting in its current location since last spring. Ceffyl
  • Score: 2

11:32am Thu 6 Mar 14

gabriel williams says...

to this day now i still walk from kingsway to lloyds and where john frost square once stood , i do miss the clock , its amazing how many people stop to have a look at the time there . looking at your mobile phone is not the same. ok the clock scared the hell out of me when it went on the hour , but i still do miss it , and newport is such a low rated place now, they would have to make miricales for people to come back. i only go there to go to the bank and thats it.
look how many shops are closed , look how much of a ghost town it is compared to the late 90's where the old kingsway was and inn shops downstairs. i used to live in newport but not now , id rather move to spytty park as that is literally the new town centre, in fact , put the clock there !!
to this day now i still walk from kingsway to lloyds and where john frost square once stood , i do miss the clock , its amazing how many people stop to have a look at the time there . looking at your mobile phone is not the same. ok the clock scared the hell out of me when it went on the hour , but i still do miss it , and newport is such a low rated place now, they would have to make miricales for people to come back. i only go there to go to the bank and thats it. look how many shops are closed , look how much of a ghost town it is compared to the late 90's where the old kingsway was and inn shops downstairs. i used to live in newport but not now , id rather move to spytty park as that is literally the new town centre, in fact , put the clock there !! gabriel williams
  • Score: 1

6:25am Fri 7 Mar 14

skylark2 says...

It's only a matter of time before the council announce that they've had a review and deem the clock BER - Beyond Economical Repair. The next step then will be to cut their losses and scrap it ... just like the mural!
It's only a matter of time before the council announce that they've had a review and deem the clock BER - Beyond Economical Repair. The next step then will be to cut their losses and scrap it ... just like the mural! skylark2
  • Score: 0

12:16am Tue 11 Mar 14

Paul F. McCourt says...

Greetings People Of Newport,
Yesterday I read about the Newport Festival Clock, and today it got my curiosity.
As Gabriel Williams (Above) said, it "scared the hell out of me when it went on the hour" and this prompted me to have a look in You Tube. I found it and thought, at first, "What a nice looking Clock! What a pity its now resembling a scrap pile." Then I saw what scared the crap out of Gabby. It suddenly turned into a Halloween Event. A panel opened up and an evil looking skull popped out shaking dispproval at everyone looking at it, and then a just as evil looking red devil popped out riding a cannon. Just as strange was the whole clock's structure seemed to fall apart as the vertical columns seemed to break in half, and above, the horizontal part of the structure cracked and appeared to collapse. Then, a bloody CUCKOO popped out from somewhere and went, "Cuckoo! Cuckoo! Cuckoo!" to whatever time it was. Ingenius, but. . . . bloody spooky. Especially to younglings and the elderly.

As for the Charterists Mural, that was another thing I checked out on You Tube, where I got a rather brief History of Wales and the Charter. I AGREE with you. A very VALUABLE PART of your History was WIPED OUT!!! The men who were destroying this were a disgrace!!! IF they were Welsh, they were VERY GUTLESS compared to the very people who fought and died for what you have now. IF they were Welsh, they should've stuck to their principles (I can't say GUNS, because you poor people AREN'T ALLOWED to have any) and REFUSED to have anything to do with destroying it. Whoever ORDERED its destruction should be brought to JUSTICE. WHY was it destroyed? WHY wasn't it CAREFULLY Dismantled and reassembled somewhere else for ALL to see?
As I see it, your History was very Brutal and even today, I see Wales as, not so much an actual COUNTRY or NATION, as we are, but, a PROVENCE of England, a Shire or County. I think, the latter. COUNTRY with a Typo.
Down Under, the British were VERY BRUTAL BASTARDS (Legitimate and Honest description) and not only to the Aboriginals and Maori, but to the Convicts, like Ned Kelly and others, who were sent Down Under for the most TRIVIAL and PETTY of things. Down Under, they were Out of Sight and Out of mind of the LAWS in England. They did whatever they liked because News took MONTHS to get back to England, IF it got there at all in those days, and just as long coming back. British Law went down the dunny in those days. There was NO LAW other than the "laws" that those in control made up themselves. The Bill of Rights 1689 existed, but was NOT recognised then, and even NOW. Its swept under the carpet hoping that people won't notice it. I NOTICED IT!! And they're guilty as Crusaders for ALL the evil they inflicted on the people. ALL of the people.
We learned in School about the Industrial Revolution, but we never learned about THIS. What happened to you, and others, yes, even the Irish, was just PURE BLOODY EVIL!! Its WRONG!!! VERY WRONG!!! YOUR Universal Rights are YOURS and NO-ONE can take them from you. They DON'T exist on paper or any Legislative Chambers, or wherever. YOU KNOW them! They're YOURS. You were BORN with them. Only Humans tell other Humans what to do, and they KILL to get their way. They can also DEFEND THEMSELVES, and THAT is your most FUNDIMENTAL RIGHT OF ALL. It is HARD WIRED INTO YOU. It CANNOT be taken from you. . . AT ALL!!! You are NOTHING if you lose that. Even a SLAVE has this, and slaves are broken people. DON'T be Slaves!!
DON'T give in to BULLIES!!!
Greetings People Of Newport, Yesterday I read about the Newport Festival Clock, and today it got my curiosity. As Gabriel Williams (Above) said, it "scared the hell out of me when it went on the hour" and this prompted me to have a look in You Tube. I found it and thought, at first, "What a nice looking Clock! What a pity its now resembling a scrap pile." Then I saw what scared the crap out of Gabby. It suddenly turned into a Halloween Event. A panel opened up and an evil looking skull popped out shaking dispproval at everyone looking at it, and then a just as evil looking red devil popped out riding a cannon. Just as strange was the whole clock's structure seemed to fall apart as the vertical columns seemed to break in half, and above, the horizontal part of the structure cracked and appeared to collapse. Then, a bloody CUCKOO popped out from somewhere and went, "Cuckoo! Cuckoo! Cuckoo!" to whatever time it was. Ingenius, but. . . . bloody spooky. Especially to younglings and the elderly. As for the Charterists Mural, that was another thing I checked out on You Tube, where I got a rather brief History of Wales and the Charter. I AGREE with you. A very VALUABLE PART of your History was WIPED OUT!!! The men who were destroying this were a disgrace!!! IF they were Welsh, they were VERY GUTLESS compared to the very people who fought and died for what you have now. IF they were Welsh, they should've stuck to their principles (I can't say GUNS, because you poor people AREN'T ALLOWED to have any) and REFUSED to have anything to do with destroying it. Whoever ORDERED its destruction should be brought to JUSTICE. WHY was it destroyed? WHY wasn't it CAREFULLY Dismantled and reassembled somewhere else for ALL to see? As I see it, your History was very Brutal and even today, I see Wales as, not so much an actual COUNTRY or NATION, as we are, but, a PROVENCE of England, a Shire or County. I think, the latter. COUNTRY with a Typo. Down Under, the British were VERY BRUTAL BASTARDS (Legitimate and Honest description) and not only to the Aboriginals and Maori, but to the Convicts, like Ned Kelly and others, who were sent Down Under for the most TRIVIAL and PETTY of things. Down Under, they were Out of Sight and Out of mind of the LAWS in England. They did whatever they liked because News took MONTHS to get back to England, IF it got there at all in those days, and just as long coming back. British Law went down the dunny in those days. There was NO LAW other than the "laws" that those in control made up themselves. The Bill of Rights 1689 existed, but was NOT recognised then, and even NOW. Its swept under the carpet hoping that people won't notice it. I NOTICED IT!! And they're guilty as Crusaders for ALL the evil they inflicted on the people. ALL of the people. We learned in School about the Industrial Revolution, but we never learned about THIS. What happened to you, and others, yes, even the Irish, was just PURE BLOODY EVIL!! Its WRONG!!! VERY WRONG!!! YOUR Universal Rights are YOURS and NO-ONE can take them from you. They DON'T exist on paper or any Legislative Chambers, or wherever. YOU KNOW them! They're YOURS. You were BORN with them. Only Humans tell other Humans what to do, and they KILL to get their way. They can also DEFEND THEMSELVES, and THAT is your most FUNDIMENTAL RIGHT OF ALL. It is HARD WIRED INTO YOU. It CANNOT be taken from you. . . AT ALL!!! You are NOTHING if you lose that. Even a SLAVE has this, and slaves are broken people. DON'T be Slaves!! DON'T give in to BULLIES!!! Paul F. McCourt
  • Score: -4

7:32pm Tue 11 Mar 14

GogExile says...

Paul F. McCourt wrote:
Greetings People Of Newport,
Yesterday I read about the Newport Festival Clock, and today it got my curiosity.
As Gabriel Williams (Above) said, it "scared the hell out of me when it went on the hour" and this prompted me to have a look in You Tube. I found it and thought, at first, "What a nice looking Clock! What a pity its now resembling a scrap pile." Then I saw what scared the crap out of Gabby. It suddenly turned into a Halloween Event. A panel opened up and an evil looking skull popped out shaking dispproval at everyone looking at it, and then a just as evil looking red devil popped out riding a cannon. Just as strange was the whole clock's structure seemed to fall apart as the vertical columns seemed to break in half, and above, the horizontal part of the structure cracked and appeared to collapse. Then, a bloody CUCKOO popped out from somewhere and went, "Cuckoo! Cuckoo! Cuckoo!" to whatever time it was. Ingenius, but. . . . bloody spooky. Especially to younglings and the elderly.

As for the Charterists Mural, that was another thing I checked out on You Tube, where I got a rather brief History of Wales and the Charter. I AGREE with you. A very VALUABLE PART of your History was WIPED OUT!!! The men who were destroying this were a disgrace!!! IF they were Welsh, they were VERY GUTLESS compared to the very people who fought and died for what you have now. IF they were Welsh, they should've stuck to their principles (I can't say GUNS, because you poor people AREN'T ALLOWED to have any) and REFUSED to have anything to do with destroying it. Whoever ORDERED its destruction should be brought to JUSTICE. WHY was it destroyed? WHY wasn't it CAREFULLY Dismantled and reassembled somewhere else for ALL to see?
As I see it, your History was very Brutal and even today, I see Wales as, not so much an actual COUNTRY or NATION, as we are, but, a PROVENCE of England, a Shire or County. I think, the latter. COUNTRY with a Typo.
Down Under, the British were VERY BRUTAL BASTARDS (Legitimate and Honest description) and not only to the Aboriginals and Maori, but to the Convicts, like Ned Kelly and others, who were sent Down Under for the most TRIVIAL and PETTY of things. Down Under, they were Out of Sight and Out of mind of the LAWS in England. They did whatever they liked because News took MONTHS to get back to England, IF it got there at all in those days, and just as long coming back. British Law went down the dunny in those days. There was NO LAW other than the "laws" that those in control made up themselves. The Bill of Rights 1689 existed, but was NOT recognised then, and even NOW. Its swept under the carpet hoping that people won't notice it. I NOTICED IT!! And they're guilty as Crusaders for ALL the evil they inflicted on the people. ALL of the people.
We learned in School about the Industrial Revolution, but we never learned about THIS. What happened to you, and others, yes, even the Irish, was just PURE BLOODY EVIL!! Its WRONG!!! VERY WRONG!!! YOUR Universal Rights are YOURS and NO-ONE can take them from you. They DON'T exist on paper or any Legislative Chambers, or wherever. YOU KNOW them! They're YOURS. You were BORN with them. Only Humans tell other Humans what to do, and they KILL to get their way. They can also DEFEND THEMSELVES, and THAT is your most FUNDIMENTAL RIGHT OF ALL. It is HARD WIRED INTO YOU. It CANNOT be taken from you. . . AT ALL!!! You are NOTHING if you lose that. Even a SLAVE has this, and slaves are broken people. DON'T be Slaves!!
DON'T give in to BULLIES!!!
And the award for patronizing, historically selective moron goes to you. Do you honestly think we don't have guns because we're 'not allowed' to have guns? We don't have guns because we don't WANT to have guns. You choice of the word 'Crusaders' and your obvious firearm fetish gives you away a bit. Crusaders weren't specifically from Britain, they were pan-European and even the 'British' Knights were mostly derived from Norman/French backgrounds such as the Houses of Aquitaine and Burgundy. This is because Britain (including Wales) had been carved up by the Normans post 1066 and the first Crusade was 1095. Also the second Crusade featured Richard the Lionheart who was Duke of both Aquitaine and Burgundy at the time before taking the throne. Maybe stop looking up 'brief' histories and trying to make them fit in with your twisted mentality eh mate?
[quote][p][bold]Paul F. McCourt[/bold] wrote: Greetings People Of Newport, Yesterday I read about the Newport Festival Clock, and today it got my curiosity. As Gabriel Williams (Above) said, it "scared the hell out of me when it went on the hour" and this prompted me to have a look in You Tube. I found it and thought, at first, "What a nice looking Clock! What a pity its now resembling a scrap pile." Then I saw what scared the crap out of Gabby. It suddenly turned into a Halloween Event. A panel opened up and an evil looking skull popped out shaking dispproval at everyone looking at it, and then a just as evil looking red devil popped out riding a cannon. Just as strange was the whole clock's structure seemed to fall apart as the vertical columns seemed to break in half, and above, the horizontal part of the structure cracked and appeared to collapse. Then, a bloody CUCKOO popped out from somewhere and went, "Cuckoo! Cuckoo! Cuckoo!" to whatever time it was. Ingenius, but. . . . bloody spooky. Especially to younglings and the elderly. As for the Charterists Mural, that was another thing I checked out on You Tube, where I got a rather brief History of Wales and the Charter. I AGREE with you. A very VALUABLE PART of your History was WIPED OUT!!! The men who were destroying this were a disgrace!!! IF they were Welsh, they were VERY GUTLESS compared to the very people who fought and died for what you have now. IF they were Welsh, they should've stuck to their principles (I can't say GUNS, because you poor people AREN'T ALLOWED to have any) and REFUSED to have anything to do with destroying it. Whoever ORDERED its destruction should be brought to JUSTICE. WHY was it destroyed? WHY wasn't it CAREFULLY Dismantled and reassembled somewhere else for ALL to see? As I see it, your History was very Brutal and even today, I see Wales as, not so much an actual COUNTRY or NATION, as we are, but, a PROVENCE of England, a Shire or County. I think, the latter. COUNTRY with a Typo. Down Under, the British were VERY BRUTAL BASTARDS (Legitimate and Honest description) and not only to the Aboriginals and Maori, but to the Convicts, like Ned Kelly and others, who were sent Down Under for the most TRIVIAL and PETTY of things. Down Under, they were Out of Sight and Out of mind of the LAWS in England. They did whatever they liked because News took MONTHS to get back to England, IF it got there at all in those days, and just as long coming back. British Law went down the dunny in those days. There was NO LAW other than the "laws" that those in control made up themselves. The Bill of Rights 1689 existed, but was NOT recognised then, and even NOW. Its swept under the carpet hoping that people won't notice it. I NOTICED IT!! And they're guilty as Crusaders for ALL the evil they inflicted on the people. ALL of the people. We learned in School about the Industrial Revolution, but we never learned about THIS. What happened to you, and others, yes, even the Irish, was just PURE BLOODY EVIL!! Its WRONG!!! VERY WRONG!!! YOUR Universal Rights are YOURS and NO-ONE can take them from you. They DON'T exist on paper or any Legislative Chambers, or wherever. YOU KNOW them! They're YOURS. You were BORN with them. Only Humans tell other Humans what to do, and they KILL to get their way. They can also DEFEND THEMSELVES, and THAT is your most FUNDIMENTAL RIGHT OF ALL. It is HARD WIRED INTO YOU. It CANNOT be taken from you. . . AT ALL!!! You are NOTHING if you lose that. Even a SLAVE has this, and slaves are broken people. DON'T be Slaves!! DON'T give in to BULLIES!!![/p][/quote]And the award for patronizing, historically selective moron goes to you. Do you honestly think we don't have guns because we're 'not allowed' to have guns? We don't have guns because we don't WANT to have guns. You choice of the word 'Crusaders' and your obvious firearm fetish gives you away a bit. Crusaders weren't specifically from Britain, they were pan-European and even the 'British' Knights were mostly derived from Norman/French backgrounds such as the Houses of Aquitaine and Burgundy. This is because Britain (including Wales) had been carved up by the Normans post 1066 and the first Crusade was 1095. Also the second Crusade featured Richard the Lionheart who was Duke of both Aquitaine and Burgundy at the time before taking the throne. Maybe stop looking up 'brief' histories and trying to make them fit in with your twisted mentality eh mate? GogExile
  • Score: 1

10:50pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Paul F. McCourt says...

AS Jar Jar once said, "How Wude!"
Gog Exile (?), I am very sorry if I upset you. Please excuse my ignorance, but I was trying to support your people, not, as you say, patronise them.
You are right! I know very little of British History, and Welsh for that matter, but, I do know it was brutal.
Thanks for the "Award!" I would like to thank my mum and my dad ( Now Potting Mix) who were both poms from over the hill from you, in Birkenhead. I don't think I deserve the title moron, though. A little misunderstood maybe, but definitely NOT a moron. Geez, I'm not even religious. (Yes, I am being funny. I'm trying to avoid creating unneccessary and over the top tension. Its true, though! I'm NOT religous. Its bloody EVIL!)
I will have to agree with you about you not having Guns, but I object VERY STRONGLY to being accused of having a firearms "fetish." WE have Guns because WE are allowed to have them and here in NZ. They are used mainly for Hunting. REAL Hunting. not like the poms sending hounds out to scare the "game" out and then rip it apart while they trot around on horses saying silly things like, "Telly Ho, WOT?". We don't have "beaters" scaring the Pheasants and Quail into flying into the paths of the shooters who are to lazy to carry their own guns and load them. WE Hunt! We do it the hard way. We have everything from Deer (Red, Wapati, Sika, Jap, Fallow, White Tail, MOOSE), Goats, Thar, Chamoi, Pigs (My nephews are always out Pig Hunting and filling their Freezers), Hares, Rabbits, Possums (NOT the Irish ones = O'Possums, as seen in the US), Quail, Pheasants, Ducks (All Kinds), Pukeko (Swamp Hen to you) Geese (Canada), Swans (Aussie Black Swans) and TROUT as BIG as Salmon, AND Salmon. Take your pick. We are a Hunter's and Fisher's Paradise, and its ALL Legal. NO Licence required!! Except for Trout Fishing, I'm sorry. Good thing I prefer Surf Casting and we can catch Kahawai, Snapper, Gurnard, Terakihi, King Fish and many others. Then there's the Shellfish. Pipi's, Cockles, Whelks, Tua Tua, Oysters (Pacific and others) Scallops, Lobsters, Crays, Crabs. You'd love it! Well, I hope so anyway.
We also use our Guns for Target Practice and Competition. LONG RANGE Target Practice and ordinary Close Range (25-50 Yards) Shooting Sports. We won up large in the Olympics. There is also Clay Disc Shooting, too, but that's too expensive. NZ is also not as populated as the UK, where as, the UK is very crowded and there's nothing at all to hunt anyway. Rabbits and Hares (My preferred Hunting Game) maybe, but I assume its very restrictive due to most of the land being Privately owned. Plus, of course, too close to built up areas. Hence the use of Shotguns only. I prefer a .22. Good Fun! Especially shooting the crap out of Rats at the local rubbish dump.
The Crusaders were EVIL SCUM!! The vatican's SS, only WORSE. How anyone can glorify them is beyond me. Christchurch's Rugby Team is The Crusaders. (Richie MacCaw, Dan Carter, Tod Blackadder and all.) They were nothing to be proud of. Religious evil at its best. I don't care who they were. They were evil. A pack of Mongrels from your description.
I cannot comment about the rest of what you said, because, as you put it, I am "a moron." I deny that very strongly, but DO admit that my knowledge of British History is absolutel MINIMUM, and for that I apologise. We were just NOT taught it in school. No wonder we're Hignorant!
You can completely ignore what I said. That is up to you, and whether or not anyone else feels the same as you, I don't know, but, if I have upset everyone, please forgive me for being so ignorant and for trying to offer you my support. I guess us Colonials (As you call us) will just have to stay out of Mother England's Business AND History.
I'd hate to live there. Evene though I do have rellies there.
AS Jar Jar once said, "How Wude!" Gog Exile (?), I am very sorry if I upset you. Please excuse my ignorance, but I was trying to support your people, not, as you say, patronise them. You are right! I know very little of British History, and Welsh for that matter, but, I do know it was brutal. Thanks for the "Award!" I would like to thank my mum and my dad ( Now Potting Mix) who were both poms from over the hill from you, in Birkenhead. I don't think I deserve the title moron, though. A little misunderstood maybe, but definitely NOT a moron. Geez, I'm not even religious. (Yes, I am being funny. I'm trying to avoid creating unneccessary and over the top tension. Its true, though! I'm NOT religous. Its bloody EVIL!) I will have to agree with you about you not having Guns, but I object VERY STRONGLY to being accused of having a firearms "fetish." WE have Guns because WE are allowed to have them and here in NZ. They are used mainly for Hunting. REAL Hunting. not like the poms sending hounds out to scare the "game" out and then rip it apart while they trot around on horses saying silly things like, "Telly Ho, WOT?". We don't have "beaters" scaring the Pheasants and Quail into flying into the paths of the shooters who are to lazy to carry their own guns and load them. WE Hunt! We do it the hard way. We have everything from Deer (Red, Wapati, Sika, Jap, Fallow, White Tail, MOOSE), Goats, Thar, Chamoi, Pigs (My nephews are always out Pig Hunting and filling their Freezers), Hares, Rabbits, Possums (NOT the Irish ones = O'Possums, as seen in the US), Quail, Pheasants, Ducks (All Kinds), Pukeko (Swamp Hen to you) Geese (Canada), Swans (Aussie Black Swans) and TROUT as BIG as Salmon, AND Salmon. Take your pick. We are a Hunter's and Fisher's Paradise, and its ALL Legal. NO Licence required!! Except for Trout Fishing, I'm sorry. Good thing I prefer Surf Casting and we can catch Kahawai, Snapper, Gurnard, Terakihi, King Fish and many others. Then there's the Shellfish. Pipi's, Cockles, Whelks, Tua Tua, Oysters (Pacific and others) Scallops, Lobsters, Crays, Crabs. You'd love it! Well, I hope so anyway. We also use our Guns for Target Practice and Competition. LONG RANGE Target Practice and ordinary Close Range (25-50 Yards) Shooting Sports. We won up large in the Olympics. There is also Clay Disc Shooting, too, but that's too expensive. NZ is also not as populated as the UK, where as, the UK is very crowded and there's nothing at all to hunt anyway. Rabbits and Hares (My preferred Hunting Game) maybe, but I assume its very restrictive due to most of the land being Privately owned. Plus, of course, too close to built up areas. Hence the use of Shotguns only. I prefer a .22. Good Fun! Especially shooting the crap out of Rats at the local rubbish dump. The Crusaders were EVIL SCUM!! The vatican's SS, only WORSE. How anyone can glorify them is beyond me. Christchurch's Rugby Team is The Crusaders. (Richie MacCaw, Dan Carter, Tod Blackadder and all.) They were nothing to be proud of. Religious evil at its best. I don't care who they were. They were evil. A pack of Mongrels from your description. I cannot comment about the rest of what you said, because, as you put it, I am "a moron." I deny that very strongly, but DO admit that my knowledge of British History is absolutel MINIMUM, and for that I apologise. We were just NOT taught it in school. No wonder we're Hignorant! You can completely ignore what I said. That is up to you, and whether or not anyone else feels the same as you, I don't know, but, if I have upset everyone, please forgive me for being so ignorant and for trying to offer you my support. I guess us Colonials (As you call us) will just have to stay out of Mother England's Business AND History. I'd hate to live there. Evene though I do have rellies there. Paul F. McCourt
  • Score: -1

2:24pm Sat 15 Mar 14

varteg1 says...

There's a nice space down in Sims yard in the docks.

There's a ship booked for China, waiting to be filled with scrap aluminium, so to paraphrase a Latin expression...


Tempus Fugit....


......and it can't 'fugit' fast enough for me.

Maybe it'll come back as a few thousand nice shiny cheap watches.

Oh!...and by the way, please send that red painted monstrosity by the new leisure centre, and the lump of old bent steel girder outside the rail station along with it.
There's a nice space down in Sims yard in the docks. There's a ship booked for China, waiting to be filled with scrap aluminium, so to paraphrase a Latin expression... Tempus Fugit.... ......and it can't 'fugit' fast enough for me. Maybe it'll come back as a few thousand nice shiny cheap watches. Oh!...and by the way, please send that red painted monstrosity by the new leisure centre, and the lump of old bent steel girder outside the rail station along with it. varteg1
  • Score: -1

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