Hundreds protest against Llantarnam school closure plan

YOU PROMISED: Pupils, from left, Jodie Burns, Lauren Tamplin and Charlie Burns

Hundreds of pupils, parents and staff turned up at Llantaram School hall for a meeting about proposals to close the school. Pictured are the large numbers of pupills, parents and staff during the evening meeting. (4699524)

Hundreds of pupils, parents and staff turned up at Llantaram School hall for a meeting about proposals to close the school. Pictured are school pupils with banners protesting against the proposed closure. (4699502)

Hundreds of pupils, parents and staff turned up at Llantaram School hall for a meeting about proposals to close the school. Pictured are the large numbers of pupils, parents and staff during the evening meeting. (4699510)

Hundreds of pupils, parents and staff turned up at Llantaram School hall for a meeting about proposals to close the school. Pictured is Kieron Nowalski Fry with his banner. (4699504)

First published in News

HUNDREDS of parents and residents turned out to express their anger at a heated meeting over plans to close Llantarnam School.

A crowd of around 750 people went to the meeting on Tuesday evening to discuss the proposals to close both Llantarnam School and Fairwater High School, with plans to invest £6 million from Torfaen’s 21st Century Schools Programme to refurbish the current Fairwater site.

Parents were angered at the plans to use the Fairwater site for the new school as opposed to the Llantarnam school site, which has the larger capacity of 1,475 pupils compared with 1,312 at Fairwater.

The council proposes the Fairwater site to be the most suitable due to its more central location and hopes the new school will be open in September 2015.

Faye Brand, 36, a mother of two pupils in Year 9 and 10 at Llantarnam School, said: “We understand the two schools have to merge, we understand it’s not cost effective at the moment. Our main concern is they can’t say for certain our children won’t be taught in demountables.”

Torfaen council said closing Fairwater and Llantarnam schools and creating a single secondary school should help tackle the issue of surplus places for both schools, in line with the Welsh Government target of no more than 15 per cent surplus places.

John Tushingham, Torfaen’s head of access, engagement and performance, said: “[The Llantarnam site] is not allocated as part of the LDP (Local Development Plan) for any specific purpose. We can’t say that at some point in the future it won’t be sold. Our proposed site (Fairwater) is the preferred site as it’s more central to the planned population. Children will need to travel shorter distances, that is the reason, not because this site has greater value.”

The council proposes a £36 million new-build for Croesyceiliog School which it says is because the current building has low beams and is in greater need of refurbishment than the building at Fairwater School.

Donna Hallows, a parent of pupils in Year 8 and in Year 10, said: “This is the right site for the new school. There are plans to build a brand new primary school on this land. You need to look to the future, we could have a super school here from three to 19-year-olds. The council is too short sighted, this is all down to money.”

John Turner, chairman of governors at Llantarnam, said: “I think it is unfair for Croesyceiliog to receive £36 million, we should also be offered a new building for Llantarnam and Fairwater.”

There would also be a review of the Fairwater, Llantarnam and Croesyceiliog catchment areas. A decision on sixth form provision has not yet been decided.

Ms Brand said around 50 pupils at Llantarnam School have already left the school due to proposals. Pupils who have already chosen their options for GCSE’s voiced their anger at the disruption the proposed plans and their inability to choose their preferred subjects due to shrinking classrooms.

Jodie Burns, a Year 9 pupil, said: “This decision is going to affect our education, our choices for GCSE and what we do in the future.”

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10:05am Thu 20 Mar 14

Explainitplease says...

And why isn't Llantarnam site included in any LDP?
Considering the new houses which have gone up in and around the area at some point in the next 10 years pupil numbers are going to explode in Torfaen, especially because of the building on the old County Hall site, and Llanfrecha Grange.
Someone who can organise their way out of paper bag is what's needed.
Not school closures.
And why isn't Llantarnam site included in any LDP? Considering the new houses which have gone up in and around the area at some point in the next 10 years pupil numbers are going to explode in Torfaen, especially because of the building on the old County Hall site, and Llanfrecha Grange. Someone who can organise their way out of paper bag is what's needed. Not school closures. Explainitplease
  • Score: 4

12:53pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Sometimes says...

Glad to see something is being done at last to stop the wasting of millions of pounds of tax payers money on school places that aren't being used. This problem has blighted Torfaen for years and no one has had the guts to face up to the decisions until the Education system in Torfaen fell flat on it's face and was put into special measures.

Had to LOL at the comment from the year 9 pupil about the changes affecting her education, can it get any worse in Torfaen?
Glad to see something is being done at last to stop the wasting of millions of pounds of tax payers money on school places that aren't being used. This problem has blighted Torfaen for years and no one has had the guts to face up to the decisions until the Education system in Torfaen fell flat on it's face and was put into special measures. Had to LOL at the comment from the year 9 pupil about the changes affecting her education, can it get any worse in Torfaen? Sometimes
  • Score: -13

1:10pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Mark Poulton says...

More like 350 people maximum. 2 blocks of chairs 12x12 (not all full) and around 50 standing. Good turnout, but not 750.
More like 350 people maximum. 2 blocks of chairs 12x12 (not all full) and around 50 standing. Good turnout, but not 750. Mark Poulton
  • Score: -11

1:58pm Thu 20 Mar 14

tina2144 says...

These pictures were taken before the meeting started and people were still filing into the hall... All seats were taken and people standing at the back and sides 3 and 4 deep and also in the corridor outside the hall...so by the time the meeting began there were around 700 people in attendance It was an excellent turn out of parents to support their children unlike the meeting the following evening at fairwater high school.
These pictures were taken before the meeting started and people were still filing into the hall... All seats were taken and people standing at the back and sides 3 and 4 deep and also in the corridor outside the hall...so by the time the meeting began there were around 700 people in attendance It was an excellent turn out of parents to support their children unlike the meeting the following evening at fairwater high school. tina2144
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3:32pm Thu 20 Mar 14

K Selway says...

tina2144 wrote:
These pictures were taken before the meeting started and people were still filing into the hall... All seats were taken and people standing at the back and sides 3 and 4 deep and also in the corridor outside the hall...so by the time the meeting began there were around 700 people in attendance It was an excellent turn out of parents to support their children unlike the meeting the following evening at fairwater high school.
ditto and well said tina 2144 ....

...and maybe Mr Poulton should have disclosed his position as Vice Chair of Governors of Fairwater High when posting his unhelpful comment.

Shameful that a person in his position should behave in such way.His comment is not conducive to fostering good relations between the two schools. Had he as Vice Chair of Governors been either interested or concerned enough about the shabby treatment being meted out to students, parents and staff of both schools by those who should know better he would have seen for himself that more than a 1000 parents plus teaching staff signed in to that meeting.Every last one of them obviously more concerned than he seems to be.

At 8.30pm it was still in process and most people arrived just 5.30pm. I think less than a quarter of that number bothered to turn up at Fairwater.
[quote][p][bold]tina2144[/bold] wrote: These pictures were taken before the meeting started and people were still filing into the hall... All seats were taken and people standing at the back and sides 3 and 4 deep and also in the corridor outside the hall...so by the time the meeting began there were around 700 people in attendance It was an excellent turn out of parents to support their children unlike the meeting the following evening at fairwater high school.[/p][/quote]ditto and well said tina 2144 .... ...and maybe Mr Poulton should have disclosed his position as Vice Chair of Governors of Fairwater High when posting his unhelpful comment. Shameful that a person in his position should behave in such way.His comment is not conducive to fostering good relations between the two schools. Had he as Vice Chair of Governors been either interested or concerned enough about the shabby treatment being meted out to students, parents and staff of both schools by those who should know better he would have seen for himself that more than a 1000 parents plus teaching staff signed in to that meeting.Every last one of them obviously more concerned than he seems to be. At 8.30pm it was still in process and most people arrived just 5.30pm. I think less than a quarter of that number bothered to turn up at Fairwater. K Selway
  • Score: 14

4:33pm Thu 20 Mar 14

K Selway says...

Sometimes wrote:
Glad to see something is being done at last to stop the wasting of millions of pounds of tax payers money on school places that aren't being used. This problem has blighted Torfaen for years and no one has had the guts to face up to the decisions until the Education system in Torfaen fell flat on it's face and was put into special measures.

Had to LOL at the comment from the year 9 pupil about the changes affecting her education, can it get any worse in Torfaen?
Why would anyone find it funny that a yr 9 (14 year old) has concerns about her education.

If Torfaen have their way ...education for a lot of students will get worse. The school at Fairwater will be new in name only. Torfaen are certainly not making decisions that take guts as you so eloquently commented, quite the opposite. It's also a morally bankrupt proposal. If you want to make a comment please go the meetings, find out what's going on and use your real name instead of hiding behind a keyboard unlike the 14yr old that made you LOL.



Shame on you ..I hope your comment is removed.
[quote][p][bold]Sometimes[/bold] wrote: Glad to see something is being done at last to stop the wasting of millions of pounds of tax payers money on school places that aren't being used. This problem has blighted Torfaen for years and no one has had the guts to face up to the decisions until the Education system in Torfaen fell flat on it's face and was put into special measures. Had to LOL at the comment from the year 9 pupil about the changes affecting her education, can it get any worse in Torfaen?[/p][/quote]Why would anyone find it funny that a yr 9 (14 year old) has concerns about her education. If Torfaen have their way ...education for a lot of students will get worse. The school at Fairwater will be new in name only. Torfaen are certainly not making decisions that take guts as you so eloquently commented, quite the opposite. It's also a morally bankrupt proposal. If you want to make a comment please go the meetings, find out what's going on and use your real name instead of hiding behind a keyboard unlike the 14yr old that made you LOL. Shame on you ..I hope your comment is removed. K Selway
  • Score: 7

4:33pm Thu 20 Mar 14

K Selway says...

Sometimes wrote:
Glad to see something is being done at last to stop the wasting of millions of pounds of tax payers money on school places that aren't being used. This problem has blighted Torfaen for years and no one has had the guts to face up to the decisions until the Education system in Torfaen fell flat on it's face and was put into special measures.

Had to LOL at the comment from the year 9 pupil about the changes affecting her education, can it get any worse in Torfaen?
Why would anyone find it funny that a yr 9 (14 year old) has concerns about her education.

If Torfaen have their way ...education for a lot of students will get worse. The school at Fairwater will be new in name only. Torfaen are certainly not making decisions that take guts as you so eloquently commented, quite the opposite. It's also a morally bankrupt proposal. If you want to make a comment please go the meetings, find out what's going on and use your real name instead of hiding behind a keyboard unlike the 14yr old that made you LOL.



Shame on you ..I hope your comment is removed.
[quote][p][bold]Sometimes[/bold] wrote: Glad to see something is being done at last to stop the wasting of millions of pounds of tax payers money on school places that aren't being used. This problem has blighted Torfaen for years and no one has had the guts to face up to the decisions until the Education system in Torfaen fell flat on it's face and was put into special measures. Had to LOL at the comment from the year 9 pupil about the changes affecting her education, can it get any worse in Torfaen?[/p][/quote]Why would anyone find it funny that a yr 9 (14 year old) has concerns about her education. If Torfaen have their way ...education for a lot of students will get worse. The school at Fairwater will be new in name only. Torfaen are certainly not making decisions that take guts as you so eloquently commented, quite the opposite. It's also a morally bankrupt proposal. If you want to make a comment please go the meetings, find out what's going on and use your real name instead of hiding behind a keyboard unlike the 14yr old that made you LOL. Shame on you ..I hope your comment is removed. K Selway
  • Score: 3

5:08pm Thu 20 Mar 14

BernardCCC says...

K Selway wrote:
Sometimes wrote:
Glad to see something is being done at last to stop the wasting of millions of pounds of tax payers money on school places that aren't being used. This problem has blighted Torfaen for years and no one has had the guts to face up to the decisions until the Education system in Torfaen fell flat on it's face and was put into special measures.

Had to LOL at the comment from the year 9 pupil about the changes affecting her education, can it get any worse in Torfaen?
Why would anyone find it funny that a yr 9 (14 year old) has concerns about her education.

If Torfaen have their way ...education for a lot of students will get worse. The school at Fairwater will be new in name only. Torfaen are certainly not making decisions that take guts as you so eloquently commented, quite the opposite. It's also a morally bankrupt proposal. If you want to make a comment please go the meetings, find out what's going on and use your real name instead of hiding behind a keyboard unlike the 14yr old that made you LOL.



Shame on you ..I hope your comment is removed.
I think the yr9 pupil made her point well...unlike Sometimes... Leave the comment as it shows him/her up...not the pupil.
[quote][p][bold]K Selway[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sometimes[/bold] wrote: Glad to see something is being done at last to stop the wasting of millions of pounds of tax payers money on school places that aren't being used. This problem has blighted Torfaen for years and no one has had the guts to face up to the decisions until the Education system in Torfaen fell flat on it's face and was put into special measures. Had to LOL at the comment from the year 9 pupil about the changes affecting her education, can it get any worse in Torfaen?[/p][/quote]Why would anyone find it funny that a yr 9 (14 year old) has concerns about her education. If Torfaen have their way ...education for a lot of students will get worse. The school at Fairwater will be new in name only. Torfaen are certainly not making decisions that take guts as you so eloquently commented, quite the opposite. It's also a morally bankrupt proposal. If you want to make a comment please go the meetings, find out what's going on and use your real name instead of hiding behind a keyboard unlike the 14yr old that made you LOL. Shame on you ..I hope your comment is removed.[/p][/quote]I think the yr9 pupil made her point well...unlike Sometimes... Leave the comment as it shows him/her up...not the pupil. BernardCCC
  • Score: 1

5:30pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Mark Poulton says...

K Selway - my position is irrelevant, I have simply noted a good turnout and have posted in my full name. I was at the back hall from 5:40 until 9:30 and my comment related to the figure in the article above being, in my opinion, exaggerated.
I rough counted the number of chairs in the hall and counted the people standing in the hall. There were around 350 - in the hall. If the recommendation was reversed then I am sure the attendance at both consultations would have been reversed...who knows.
For reference, I am an ex pupil of Llantarnam, have been Vice Chair of Governors at Coed Eva Infant/Junior/Primar
y for the past 16 years and similar at Fairwater High for the past 10 years.
You have no idea of the concern or effort I am putting in to further the education standards for our pupils within Cwmbran.
K Selway - my position is irrelevant, I have simply noted a good turnout and have posted in my full name. I was at the back hall from 5:40 until 9:30 and my comment related to the figure in the article above being, in my opinion, exaggerated. I rough counted the number of chairs in the hall and counted the people standing in the hall. There were around 350 - in the hall. If the recommendation was reversed then I am sure the attendance at both consultations would have been reversed...who knows. For reference, I am an ex pupil of Llantarnam, have been Vice Chair of Governors at Coed Eva Infant/Junior/Primar y for the past 16 years and similar at Fairwater High for the past 10 years. You have no idea of the concern or effort I am putting in to further the education standards for our pupils within Cwmbran. Mark Poulton
  • Score: 0

6:33pm Thu 20 Mar 14

K Selway says...

Mmm ..

.Methinks the gentleman doth protest too much!
Mmm .. .Methinks the gentleman doth protest too much! K Selway
  • Score: -5

7:50pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Golf Player says...

When are the Governors and Leadership of Fairwater School going to realise that this Proposal is not about Fairwater v Llantarnam Schools and who is better etc. The site for this proposed amalgamation is totally irrelevant. What is relevant is that this proposal will short change generations of pupils and parents if a patched up refurbishment of either site is proposed whilst Croesyceiliog gets a toally new build . That may well be necessary but surely the costs can looked at to provide funding for a new school for the merged venture. If not let me offer a prediction : in 5 years time the merged school will have a student population of less than 500 whilst Croesyceiliog will be bursting at over 1500 ( not mentioned 6th form re orginastion in this !!). If i were a parent of a Year 3 /4 pupil then i would discover my faith ( look to St Albans) , learn Welsh ! or move to get my children into the Croesyceiliog Feeder Schools,. Another option is to reduce the size of Croesyceiliog by feeding back into West Mon Catchment, thus reducing the cost of the new build.
The Torfaen proposal is morally and educationally wrong on so many counts it amounts to Education Aparthied !.
The sooner the Governors and Leadership of Fairwater realise this the better and join in a United Front to fight this proposal and fight for two new schools !
When are the Governors and Leadership of Fairwater School going to realise that this Proposal is not about Fairwater v Llantarnam Schools and who is better etc. The site for this proposed amalgamation is totally irrelevant. What is relevant is that this proposal will short change generations of pupils and parents if a patched up refurbishment of either site is proposed whilst Croesyceiliog gets a toally new build . That may well be necessary but surely the costs can looked at to provide funding for a new school for the merged venture. If not let me offer a prediction : in 5 years time the merged school will have a student population of less than 500 whilst Croesyceiliog will be bursting at over 1500 ( not mentioned 6th form re orginastion in this !!). If i were a parent of a Year 3 /4 pupil then i would discover my faith ( look to St Albans) , learn Welsh ! or move to get my children into the Croesyceiliog Feeder Schools,. Another option is to reduce the size of Croesyceiliog by feeding back into West Mon Catchment, thus reducing the cost of the new build. The Torfaen proposal is morally and educationally wrong on so many counts it amounts to Education Aparthied !. The sooner the Governors and Leadership of Fairwater realise this the better and join in a United Front to fight this proposal and fight for two new schools ! Golf Player
  • Score: 5

8:44pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Thor at the door says...

Good! Perhaps it will stop all the over weight mothers parking all over the road, speeding and dropping litter all over the place. The kids are all nasty and rude with no respect, the amount of litter they drop all the way up llantarnam road is disgusting!

All kids should be sent away to military style schools these days to teach them so respect and manors! Rather than xbox, xfactor and dressing lik boy/girl bands and actng hard and chopsing off to elders and hiding behind their age to get away from it!!!
Good! Perhaps it will stop all the over weight mothers parking all over the road, speeding and dropping litter all over the place. The kids are all nasty and rude with no respect, the amount of litter they drop all the way up llantarnam road is disgusting! All kids should be sent away to military style schools these days to teach them so respect and manors! Rather than xbox, xfactor and dressing lik boy/girl bands and actng hard and chopsing off to elders and hiding behind their age to get away from it!!! Thor at the door
  • Score: -1

9:53pm Thu 20 Mar 14

roseseabourne@aol.com says...

Golf Player wrote:
When are the Governors and Leadership of Fairwater School going to realise that this Proposal is not about Fairwater v Llantarnam Schools and who is better etc. The site for this proposed amalgamation is totally irrelevant. What is relevant is that this proposal will short change generations of pupils and parents if a patched up refurbishment of either site is proposed whilst Croesyceiliog gets a toally new build . That may well be necessary but surely the costs can looked at to provide funding for a new school for the merged venture. If not let me offer a prediction : in 5 years time the merged school will have a student population of less than 500 whilst Croesyceiliog will be bursting at over 1500 ( not mentioned 6th form re orginastion in this !!). If i were a parent of a Year 3 /4 pupil then i would discover my faith ( look to St Albans) , learn Welsh ! or move to get my children into the Croesyceiliog Feeder Schools,. Another option is to reduce the size of Croesyceiliog by feeding back into West Mon Catchment, thus reducing the cost of the new build.
The Torfaen proposal is morally and educationally wrong on so many counts it amounts to Education Aparthied !.
The sooner the Governors and Leadership of Fairwater realise this the better and join in a United Front to fight this proposal and fight for two new schools !
As Chair of Governors of Fairwater High School, I must state that Governors and Leadership of Fairwater High School have as far as I am aware never promoted a them and us situation we have however tried to correct the false impression and information some of the untrue and provocative points placed in the social media and at the consultation meetings. Even in the post above they criticise Mark Poulton for pointing out the inaccurate information in the Argus article. Fairwater High School Leadership with the agreement of Governors have over the past months visited Llantarnam School to help and guide some of the departments in the direction they should be heading to get them out of Special Measures I personally suggested that Fairwater High offer some help to the year 9 pupil that spoke at the consultation event who wanted to study Geography. The Head Teachers of both schools have been in discussion about agreeing options to prevent some disruption with next years examination. As I stated last night we would all love to give a new school to every student in Torfaen but that will not be possible Torfaen is not a rich authority with massive reserves like others across our borders. To put £40m into education is a huge investment and commitment. When I was a Councillor I remember when TCBC authority only had £12m in reserve. It may be that Fairwater High Governors and Leadership understands the situation and in that understands the position of the proposals and realises that it impacts more on Llantarnam School. So I can assure readers there is no them and us situation. Fairwater High School Governors are experiencing the change and uncertainty that their school closure proposals will bring after all the hard work and improvement that have taken place the Governors, staff and students have huge concerns too.
[quote][p][bold]Golf Player[/bold] wrote: When are the Governors and Leadership of Fairwater School going to realise that this Proposal is not about Fairwater v Llantarnam Schools and who is better etc. The site for this proposed amalgamation is totally irrelevant. What is relevant is that this proposal will short change generations of pupils and parents if a patched up refurbishment of either site is proposed whilst Croesyceiliog gets a toally new build . That may well be necessary but surely the costs can looked at to provide funding for a new school for the merged venture. If not let me offer a prediction : in 5 years time the merged school will have a student population of less than 500 whilst Croesyceiliog will be bursting at over 1500 ( not mentioned 6th form re orginastion in this !!). If i were a parent of a Year 3 /4 pupil then i would discover my faith ( look to St Albans) , learn Welsh ! or move to get my children into the Croesyceiliog Feeder Schools,. Another option is to reduce the size of Croesyceiliog by feeding back into West Mon Catchment, thus reducing the cost of the new build. The Torfaen proposal is morally and educationally wrong on so many counts it amounts to Education Aparthied !. The sooner the Governors and Leadership of Fairwater realise this the better and join in a United Front to fight this proposal and fight for two new schools ![/p][/quote]As Chair of Governors of Fairwater High School, I must state that Governors and Leadership of Fairwater High School have as far as I am aware never promoted a them and us situation we have however tried to correct the false impression and information some of the untrue and provocative points placed in the social media and at the consultation meetings. Even in the post above they criticise Mark Poulton for pointing out the inaccurate information in the Argus article. Fairwater High School Leadership with the agreement of Governors have over the past months visited Llantarnam School to help and guide some of the departments in the direction they should be heading to get them out of Special Measures I personally suggested that Fairwater High offer some help to the year 9 pupil that spoke at the consultation event who wanted to study Geography. The Head Teachers of both schools have been in discussion about agreeing options to prevent some disruption with next years examination. As I stated last night we would all love to give a new school to every student in Torfaen but that will not be possible Torfaen is not a rich authority with massive reserves like others across our borders. To put £40m into education is a huge investment and commitment. When I was a Councillor I remember when TCBC authority only had £12m in reserve. It may be that Fairwater High Governors and Leadership understands the situation and in that understands the position of the proposals and realises that it impacts more on Llantarnam School. So I can assure readers there is no them and us situation. Fairwater High School Governors are experiencing the change and uncertainty that their school closure proposals will bring after all the hard work and improvement that have taken place the Governors, staff and students have huge concerns too. roseseabourne@aol.com
  • Score: 8

10:20pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Bobevans says...

Sometimes wrote:
Glad to see something is being done at last to stop the wasting of millions of pounds of tax payers money on school places that aren't being used. This problem has blighted Torfaen for years and no one has had the guts to face up to the decisions until the Education system in Torfaen fell flat on it's face and was put into special measures.

Had to LOL at the comment from the year 9 pupil about the changes affecting her education, can it get any worse in Torfaen?
It is always an issue with Schools, No one wants there local school close and in the past councillors and the assembly have allowed schools to stay open with ever dwindling numbers and ever higher costs

If the parents want it to stay open let that happen provided the parents want to pick up the additional cost. I doubt whey will want to put their hand in their pockets

A lot of the problem lies with the schools being controlled by small local councils. They do not look at the bigger picture. There is a lot to be said for having a South East Wales regional education authority
[quote][p][bold]Sometimes[/bold] wrote: Glad to see something is being done at last to stop the wasting of millions of pounds of tax payers money on school places that aren't being used. This problem has blighted Torfaen for years and no one has had the guts to face up to the decisions until the Education system in Torfaen fell flat on it's face and was put into special measures. Had to LOL at the comment from the year 9 pupil about the changes affecting her education, can it get any worse in Torfaen?[/p][/quote]It is always an issue with Schools, No one wants there local school close and in the past councillors and the assembly have allowed schools to stay open with ever dwindling numbers and ever higher costs If the parents want it to stay open let that happen provided the parents want to pick up the additional cost. I doubt whey will want to put their hand in their pockets A lot of the problem lies with the schools being controlled by small local councils. They do not look at the bigger picture. There is a lot to be said for having a South East Wales regional education authority Bobevans
  • Score: 4

5:10am Fri 21 Mar 14

Peter404 says...

Could you be anymore patronising? Shocking! You seem more interested in retaining the site of Fairwater school than promoting a school fit for the 21st Century. Why don't you liaise with the governing body of Llantarnam and create a joint approach for a new build school? I was at both meetings and was very impressed by the students from both schools. They are a credit to the teachers of both schools. Both schools have been through difficult times and surely now when we have this opportunity we should advance the needs of our learners above tactical comments aimed at undermining one school.
Could you be anymore patronising? Shocking! You seem more interested in retaining the site of Fairwater school than promoting a school fit for the 21st Century. Why don't you liaise with the governing body of Llantarnam and create a joint approach for a new build school? I was at both meetings and was very impressed by the students from both schools. They are a credit to the teachers of both schools. Both schools have been through difficult times and surely now when we have this opportunity we should advance the needs of our learners above tactical comments aimed at undermining one school. Peter404
  • Score: -2

7:19am Fri 21 Mar 14

tina2144 says...

The governors of fairwater that have commented that it isn't a them and us situation as fat as they're concerned... Maybe they can explain their campaign headline of SAVE OUR SCHOOL... Whereas Llantarnam schools slogan is LLANTARNAM IS THE BEST OPTION therefore suggesting they are happy with an amalgamation as long as it is on the correct site or is a new build on either site... Why are fairwater still insisting on this slogan??? It doesn't make sense if your comments above are true!
The governors of fairwater that have commented that it isn't a them and us situation as fat as they're concerned... Maybe they can explain their campaign headline of SAVE OUR SCHOOL... Whereas Llantarnam schools slogan is LLANTARNAM IS THE BEST OPTION therefore suggesting they are happy with an amalgamation as long as it is on the correct site or is a new build on either site... Why are fairwater still insisting on this slogan??? It doesn't make sense if your comments above are true! tina2144
  • Score: -3

9:06am Fri 21 Mar 14

Gooding says...

What concerns me greatly is that the most affluent and middle class comprehensive in Torfaen is about to get a £36m new build whilst the poorer socio-economic families have to send their children to dated, decaying, not fit for purpose esablishments.

Torfaen Education Authority is morally (and perhaps intellectually) bankrupt!
What concerns me greatly is that the most affluent and middle class comprehensive in Torfaen is about to get a £36m new build whilst the poorer socio-economic families have to send their children to dated, decaying, not fit for purpose esablishments. Torfaen Education Authority is morally (and perhaps intellectually) bankrupt! Gooding
  • Score: 10

9:14am Fri 21 Mar 14

Gooding says...

roseseabourne@aol.co
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wrote:
Golf Player wrote:
When are the Governors and Leadership of Fairwater School going to realise that this Proposal is not about Fairwater v Llantarnam Schools and who is better etc. The site for this proposed amalgamation is totally irrelevant. What is relevant is that this proposal will short change generations of pupils and parents if a patched up refurbishment of either site is proposed whilst Croesyceiliog gets a toally new build . That may well be necessary but surely the costs can looked at to provide funding for a new school for the merged venture. If not let me offer a prediction : in 5 years time the merged school will have a student population of less than 500 whilst Croesyceiliog will be bursting at over 1500 ( not mentioned 6th form re orginastion in this !!). If i were a parent of a Year 3 /4 pupil then i would discover my faith ( look to St Albans) , learn Welsh ! or move to get my children into the Croesyceiliog Feeder Schools,. Another option is to reduce the size of Croesyceiliog by feeding back into West Mon Catchment, thus reducing the cost of the new build.
The Torfaen proposal is morally and educationally wrong on so many counts it amounts to Education Aparthied !.
The sooner the Governors and Leadership of Fairwater realise this the better and join in a United Front to fight this proposal and fight for two new schools !
As Chair of Governors of Fairwater High School, I must state that Governors and Leadership of Fairwater High School have as far as I am aware never promoted a them and us situation we have however tried to correct the false impression and information some of the untrue and provocative points placed in the social media and at the consultation meetings. Even in the post above they criticise Mark Poulton for pointing out the inaccurate information in the Argus article. Fairwater High School Leadership with the agreement of Governors have over the past months visited Llantarnam School to help and guide some of the departments in the direction they should be heading to get them out of Special Measures I personally suggested that Fairwater High offer some help to the year 9 pupil that spoke at the consultation event who wanted to study Geography. The Head Teachers of both schools have been in discussion about agreeing options to prevent some disruption with next years examination. As I stated last night we would all love to give a new school to every student in Torfaen but that will not be possible Torfaen is not a rich authority with massive reserves like others across our borders. To put £40m into education is a huge investment and commitment. When I was a Councillor I remember when TCBC authority only had £12m in reserve. It may be that Fairwater High Governors and Leadership understands the situation and in that understands the position of the proposals and realises that it impacts more on Llantarnam School. So I can assure readers there is no them and us situation. Fairwater High School Governors are experiencing the change and uncertainty that their school closure proposals will bring after all the hard work and improvement that have taken place the Governors, staff and students have huge concerns too.
Did I read somewhere recently...'Fairwate
r is the best performing school in Torfaen'?

If I did, as chair of Governors, how could you sanction the statement put out by your Headteacher, that 'Fairwater is the best performing school in Torfaen'?

Clearly it is not, it has only just come out of special measures. It is immoral to deliberately mislead the public in this way.

Couple that with the comment made by your vice chair above about the figures attending the meeting at Llantarnam, I can see why there should be huge concerns over the proposed move of pupils from Llantarnam to Fairwater.

So sad to see people treating children's futures in such a way. Little wonder Torfaen entered Special Meaures!
[quote][p][bold]roseseabourne@aol.co m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Golf Player[/bold] wrote: When are the Governors and Leadership of Fairwater School going to realise that this Proposal is not about Fairwater v Llantarnam Schools and who is better etc. The site for this proposed amalgamation is totally irrelevant. What is relevant is that this proposal will short change generations of pupils and parents if a patched up refurbishment of either site is proposed whilst Croesyceiliog gets a toally new build . That may well be necessary but surely the costs can looked at to provide funding for a new school for the merged venture. If not let me offer a prediction : in 5 years time the merged school will have a student population of less than 500 whilst Croesyceiliog will be bursting at over 1500 ( not mentioned 6th form re orginastion in this !!). If i were a parent of a Year 3 /4 pupil then i would discover my faith ( look to St Albans) , learn Welsh ! or move to get my children into the Croesyceiliog Feeder Schools,. Another option is to reduce the size of Croesyceiliog by feeding back into West Mon Catchment, thus reducing the cost of the new build. The Torfaen proposal is morally and educationally wrong on so many counts it amounts to Education Aparthied !. The sooner the Governors and Leadership of Fairwater realise this the better and join in a United Front to fight this proposal and fight for two new schools ![/p][/quote]As Chair of Governors of Fairwater High School, I must state that Governors and Leadership of Fairwater High School have as far as I am aware never promoted a them and us situation we have however tried to correct the false impression and information some of the untrue and provocative points placed in the social media and at the consultation meetings. Even in the post above they criticise Mark Poulton for pointing out the inaccurate information in the Argus article. Fairwater High School Leadership with the agreement of Governors have over the past months visited Llantarnam School to help and guide some of the departments in the direction they should be heading to get them out of Special Measures I personally suggested that Fairwater High offer some help to the year 9 pupil that spoke at the consultation event who wanted to study Geography. The Head Teachers of both schools have been in discussion about agreeing options to prevent some disruption with next years examination. As I stated last night we would all love to give a new school to every student in Torfaen but that will not be possible Torfaen is not a rich authority with massive reserves like others across our borders. To put £40m into education is a huge investment and commitment. When I was a Councillor I remember when TCBC authority only had £12m in reserve. It may be that Fairwater High Governors and Leadership understands the situation and in that understands the position of the proposals and realises that it impacts more on Llantarnam School. So I can assure readers there is no them and us situation. Fairwater High School Governors are experiencing the change and uncertainty that their school closure proposals will bring after all the hard work and improvement that have taken place the Governors, staff and students have huge concerns too.[/p][/quote]Did I read somewhere recently...'Fairwate r is the best performing school in Torfaen'? If I did, as chair of Governors, how could you sanction the statement put out by your Headteacher, that 'Fairwater is the best performing school in Torfaen'? Clearly it is not, it has only just come out of special measures. It is immoral to deliberately mislead the public in this way. Couple that with the comment made by your vice chair above about the figures attending the meeting at Llantarnam, I can see why there should be huge concerns over the proposed move of pupils from Llantarnam to Fairwater. So sad to see people treating children's futures in such a way. Little wonder Torfaen entered Special Meaures! Gooding
  • Score: -3

9:33am Fri 21 Mar 14

Sallyxx says...

This is not the place for the Chair and Vice Chair of Governors to express their views and publish inaccuracies.

They should be behaving in a manner that befits the role.
This is not the place for the Chair and Vice Chair of Governors to express their views and publish inaccuracies. They should be behaving in a manner that befits the role. Sallyxx
  • Score: 3

2:45pm Fri 21 Mar 14

Mwy Eira says...

What a load of moaning as far as I am concerned. Be grateful that you will have a school near where you live. There are many that don't have that luxury and would more than happy to have a school within their town and not be bused 10+ miles away. Get real, there are some far worse off than yours will ever be.
What a load of moaning as far as I am concerned. Be grateful that you will have a school near where you live. There are many that don't have that luxury and would more than happy to have a school within their town and not be bused 10+ miles away. Get real, there are some far worse off than yours will ever be. Mwy Eira
  • Score: 4

4:23pm Fri 21 Mar 14

Lea 445 says...

Mark Poulton wrote:
K Selway - my position is irrelevant, I have simply noted a good turnout and have posted in my full name. I was at the back hall from 5:40 until 9:30 and my comment related to the figure in the article above being, in my opinion, exaggerated.
I rough counted the number of chairs in the hall and counted the people standing in the hall. There were around 350 - in the hall. If the recommendation was reversed then I am sure the attendance at both consultations would have been reversed...who knows.
For reference, I am an ex pupil of Llantarnam, have been Vice Chair of Governors at Coed Eva Infant/Junior/Primar

y for the past 16 years and similar at Fairwater High for the past 10 years.
You have no idea of the concern or effort I am putting in to further the education standards for our pupils within Cwmbran.
I attended both meetings.... If you were as you say in the hall at the Consultation meeting at Llantarnam you would've recognised that there were far more than 350 - 700 odd. You may want to check the most recent story published by the argus too - which again backs up the fact that there were far more than 700.

Pity that you're not putting the same ''Concern or effort' into your counting as you are the further education standards for our pupils within Cwmbran
[quote][p][bold]Mark Poulton[/bold] wrote: K Selway - my position is irrelevant, I have simply noted a good turnout and have posted in my full name. I was at the back hall from 5:40 until 9:30 and my comment related to the figure in the article above being, in my opinion, exaggerated. I rough counted the number of chairs in the hall and counted the people standing in the hall. There were around 350 - in the hall. If the recommendation was reversed then I am sure the attendance at both consultations would have been reversed...who knows. For reference, I am an ex pupil of Llantarnam, have been Vice Chair of Governors at Coed Eva Infant/Junior/Primar y for the past 16 years and similar at Fairwater High for the past 10 years. You have no idea of the concern or effort I am putting in to further the education standards for our pupils within Cwmbran.[/p][/quote]I attended both meetings.... If you were as you say in the hall at the Consultation meeting at Llantarnam you would've recognised that there were far more than 350 - 700 odd. You may want to check the most recent story published by the argus too - which again backs up the fact that there were far more than 700. Pity that you're not putting the same ''Concern or effort' into your counting as you are the further education standards for our pupils within Cwmbran Lea 445
  • Score: 1

5:11pm Fri 21 Mar 14

MiffMaff says...

I think that the underperformance of Torfaen as an LA has lead to a massive misgiving in the education of their students. Funding from the WAG 21C School Programme fund has been available for a number of years, from which many authorities throughout Wales have reaped reward and benefited. Just look at the new schools in neighbouring Newport and proposed new schools in Monmouth! Where were Torfaen when the other authorities were securing their forward thinking strategic plans to give their learners the best opportunities they possibly could. It is not yet too late to build two 21C schools instead of just one, especially if Torfaen sell and contribute revenue from the sale of lands currently occupied by both Fairwater and Llantarnam sites. Surely this will offer all learners in Cwmbran a similar, if not equal, diet in their education experience and set them up to reach their aspirations and goals for their lifetime learning. Shame on Torfaen LA - Come into the 21C and do what should have been done a few years ago!
I think that the underperformance of Torfaen as an LA has lead to a massive misgiving in the education of their students. Funding from the WAG 21C School Programme fund has been available for a number of years, from which many authorities throughout Wales have reaped reward and benefited. Just look at the new schools in neighbouring Newport and proposed new schools in Monmouth! Where were Torfaen when the other authorities were securing their forward thinking strategic plans to give their learners the best opportunities they possibly could. It is not yet too late to build two 21C schools instead of just one, especially if Torfaen sell and contribute revenue from the sale of lands currently occupied by both Fairwater and Llantarnam sites. Surely this will offer all learners in Cwmbran a similar, if not equal, diet in their education experience and set them up to reach their aspirations and goals for their lifetime learning. Shame on Torfaen LA - Come into the 21C and do what should have been done a few years ago! MiffMaff
  • Score: 3

7:13pm Fri 21 Mar 14

indy2012 says...

The former Labour councillor Rose Seabourne, Chair of governors at Fairwater High school in league with former Executive Member for Education Mary Barnett has ruined the standing of Fairwater High School, more farcical, when Mary Barnett was sacked from her executive place within T.C.B.C. who did they appoint as executive member, Brian Mawby a failed Education executive with Blaenau Gwent who I believe was also sacked.
The former Labour councillor Rose Seabourne, Chair of governors at Fairwater High school in league with former Executive Member for Education Mary Barnett has ruined the standing of Fairwater High School, more farcical, when Mary Barnett was sacked from her executive place within T.C.B.C. who did they appoint as executive member, Brian Mawby a failed Education executive with Blaenau Gwent who I believe was also sacked. indy2012
  • Score: -1

5:35pm Sat 22 Mar 14

earthwitch says...

indy2012 wrote:
The former Labour councillor Rose Seabourne, Chair of governors at Fairwater High school in league with former Executive Member for Education Mary Barnett has ruined the standing of Fairwater High School, more farcical, when Mary Barnett was sacked from her executive place within T.C.B.C. who did they appoint as executive member, Brian Mawby a failed Education executive with Blaenau Gwent who I believe was also sacked.
This is worthy of a place in Private Eye's Rotten Boroughs page.
[quote][p][bold]indy2012[/bold] wrote: The former Labour councillor Rose Seabourne, Chair of governors at Fairwater High school in league with former Executive Member for Education Mary Barnett has ruined the standing of Fairwater High School, more farcical, when Mary Barnett was sacked from her executive place within T.C.B.C. who did they appoint as executive member, Brian Mawby a failed Education executive with Blaenau Gwent who I believe was also sacked.[/p][/quote]This is worthy of a place in Private Eye's Rotten Boroughs page. earthwitch
  • Score: 1

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