Gwent teachers walk out over threat of working until they are 68

Gwent teachers walk out over threat of working until they are 68

Gwent teachers walk out over threat of working until they are 68

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TEACHERS could become depressed, burnt out and leave the profession in droves unless the UK Government does a U-turn on plans to make teachers work until they are 68.

That was the message from the steps of the Senedd in Cardiff Bay today as hundreds of Welsh members of the National Union of Teachers (NUT) went on strike, leaving 47 Gwent secondary and primary schools shut and around 120 partially closed.

NUT members in England also walked out after talks broke down with the UK Department for Education over pensions and the details of plans to introduce performance-related pay.

Education secretary Michael Gove said he'd be willing to work with the unions on a study into the effects of working until the age of 68, in a letter on Tuesday.

Christine Blower, general secretary of the NUT responded by saying Mr Gove "needs to change direction" or face a serious teacher shortage.

Yesterday's strike, which was also over increased workload, was a last resort, explained Newport NUT rep and Duffryn High School teacher James Cranshaw.

"I don't really want to work until I'm 68," said Mr Cranshaw, who has taught French at the school for eight years. "The workload and pressure to keep standards up, it's making it [the job] very difficult.

"There is a lot more tracking of data, which is fine, but it does take a lot of your time up and it's getting to a critical point where we say 'enough is enough', or it's going to drive people out of the profession.

"People will end up quitting or going early, in which case they'd lose 40 per cent of their pension if they retire at 60," he said. "It [the strike] is a last resort."

NUT Wales secretary David Evans told the crowd he didn't want to see those already teaching "burnt out, washed-up, depressed and leaving the profession".

If teachers work until their late sixties, there could be no room for younger teachers to join schools, said John Griffiths, who has taught at Milton Junior School in Newport for more than two decades.

"Teachers now are working totally unrealistic hours, 60 hours a week, with people working through their lunch and break times," he said. "There's no time to recharge your batteries. It will be very difficult for teachers who should be retiring.

"I signed up as a teacher in 1989 and the pension contract was totally different then," he added.

Torfaen NUT rep Brian Hughes said this generation of teachers are "the guardians of the profession" for the future when it comes to campaigning for better pay and conditions.

"We owe it to future generations to make it as attractive as possible," said Mr Hughes, who teaches at Croesyceiliog. "I am a teacher and I would love to be able to recommend to my students that they go into teaching."

Newport council cabinet member for leisure and culture Debbie Wilcox attended the rally as a teacher of 35 years and an NUT member in Rhondda Cynon Taf.

"I have always taken strike action because if I hadn't the young teachers of today wouldn't have the terms and conditions they have," she said. "This is not a Wales issue but [education secretary] Michael Gove is trying to take away the pay and pensions we have fought so hard to maintain. This is an attack on public services."

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6:01pm Wed 26 Mar 14

scraptheWAG says...

mmmm they expect the private sector work until the same age so should the public sector crowd.


They should make the 7 million unemployed(3 million JSA, 4 million who say they are too depressed too stressed to work) in the uk work then we would not have to work the extra years and all could retire at 60.

work too you drop! nice
mmmm they expect the private sector work until the same age so should the public sector crowd. They should make the 7 million unemployed(3 million JSA, 4 million who say they are too depressed too stressed to work) in the uk work then we would not have to work the extra years and all could retire at 60. work too you drop! nice scraptheWAG
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8:00pm Wed 26 Mar 14

jaggededge says...

7 million out of work?we are told its going down yes its a con trick by government
7 million out of work?we are told its going down yes its a con trick by government jaggededge
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8:37pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Floppy backed says...

nothing wrong with leaving the profession if they have run out of puff, not many people stay in the say position for 46 years!!!

How many people have jobs for life?
nothing wrong with leaving the profession if they have run out of puff, not many people stay in the say position for 46 years!!! How many people have jobs for life? Floppy backed
  • Score: 7

8:51pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Mervyn James says...

Schools are such stressful situations a teacher is probably past his or her best after 10 years of managing 30 kids a day while their parents apparently struggle with 1 or 2. In my day you shut up until you were asked a question and interrupted your teacher at your own risk. Today kids ignore teachers play with phones, attack teachers, answer them back, or simply not turn up if so inclined. A teacher who is burnt out after 8-10 years is no use to our kids, forcing them to work until 68 is impossible a demand, they would get sacked the minute they showed signs of stress. Anyway no employer in the UK wants you after 35 years of age, and the government haven't addressed that issue at all. With many schools using English as second language too it can only go one way... We would need to segregate our kids from such schools to get any sort of education, and to avoid endless plugs for other cultural norms.
Schools are such stressful situations a teacher is probably past his or her best after 10 years of managing 30 kids a day while their parents apparently struggle with 1 or 2. In my day you shut up until you were asked a question and interrupted your teacher at your own risk. Today kids ignore teachers play with phones, attack teachers, answer them back, or simply not turn up if so inclined. A teacher who is burnt out after 8-10 years is no use to our kids, forcing them to work until 68 is impossible a demand, they would get sacked the minute they showed signs of stress. Anyway no employer in the UK wants you after 35 years of age, and the government haven't addressed that issue at all. With many schools using English as second language too it can only go one way... We would need to segregate our kids from such schools to get any sort of education, and to avoid endless plugs for other cultural norms. Mervyn James
  • Score: 11

9:50pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Bobevans says...

They need to get real. Very Long holidays, Very short working week and still they moan. It is almost impossible to sack bad teachers and the quality of UK education in general is poor
They need to get real. Very Long holidays, Very short working week and still they moan. It is almost impossible to sack bad teachers and the quality of UK education in general is poor Bobevans
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10:20pm Wed 26 Mar 14

gingertom says...

Bob Evans I know some teachers and it isn't the rosey picture you paint at all. Children are not taught manners by many parents like we were and the abuse they throw at teachers is dreadful. The preparation of lessons is done in their own time and marking books as well. By the time the summer holidays come around many are burnt out and need a break. For long holidays look at the politicians they get a lot longer than a teacher.
Bob Evans I know some teachers and it isn't the rosey picture you paint at all. Children are not taught manners by many parents like we were and the abuse they throw at teachers is dreadful. The preparation of lessons is done in their own time and marking books as well. By the time the summer holidays come around many are burnt out and need a break. For long holidays look at the politicians they get a lot longer than a teacher. gingertom
  • Score: 14

8:14am Thu 27 Mar 14

Dai Rear says...

There may be a respectable argument to be made here but it's NEVER going to be made by the NUT. Have you seen their annual conference on TV? It's an embarrassment. The question to be asked is what do the proper, professional teaching unions say? And equally, I suppose, if someone's serious about teaching, why would they join a shower like the NUT?
There may be a respectable argument to be made here but it's NEVER going to be made by the NUT. Have you seen their annual conference on TV? It's an embarrassment. The question to be asked is what do the proper, professional teaching unions say? And equally, I suppose, if someone's serious about teaching, why would they join a shower like the NUT? Dai Rear
  • Score: 2

9:03am Thu 27 Mar 14

whatintheworld says...

i dont see how a 68 year old is going to have the energy to effectivley educate a class of 30+ kids.

we shouldnt be running education like its a private sector industry. its too important to all of us.
i dont see how a 68 year old is going to have the energy to effectivley educate a class of 30+ kids. we shouldnt be running education like its a private sector industry. its too important to all of us. whatintheworld
  • Score: 5

9:13am Thu 27 Mar 14

Dai Rear says...

whatintheworld wrote:
i dont see how a 68 year old is going to have the energy to effectivley educate a class of 30+ kids.

we shouldnt be running education like its a private sector industry. its too important to all of us.
I love the attitude that only the public sector has the high mindedness to make things work. Maybe you'll tell us all when you last travelled on an aeroplane made by the public sector or went through an X-ray machine or CT scanner made by the public sector. Did it ever occur to you that if the public sector was responsible for supplying your food you'd be lucky to have a choice of white or brown bread? Go and talk to someone who lived in the Soviet part of Germany to find out how good the public sector is in delivering important services.
[quote][p][bold]whatintheworld[/bold] wrote: i dont see how a 68 year old is going to have the energy to effectivley educate a class of 30+ kids. we shouldnt be running education like its a private sector industry. its too important to all of us.[/p][/quote]I love the attitude that only the public sector has the high mindedness to make things work. Maybe you'll tell us all when you last travelled on an aeroplane made by the public sector or went through an X-ray machine or CT scanner made by the public sector. Did it ever occur to you that if the public sector was responsible for supplying your food you'd be lucky to have a choice of white or brown bread? Go and talk to someone who lived in the Soviet part of Germany to find out how good the public sector is in delivering important services. Dai Rear
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10:02am Thu 27 Mar 14

Llanmartinangel says...

Dai Rear wrote:
whatintheworld wrote:
i dont see how a 68 year old is going to have the energy to effectivley educate a class of 30+ kids.

we shouldnt be running education like its a private sector industry. its too important to all of us.
I love the attitude that only the public sector has the high mindedness to make things work. Maybe you'll tell us all when you last travelled on an aeroplane made by the public sector or went through an X-ray machine or CT scanner made by the public sector. Did it ever occur to you that if the public sector was responsible for supplying your food you'd be lucky to have a choice of white or brown bread? Go and talk to someone who lived in the Soviet part of Germany to find out how good the public sector is in delivering important services.
Are you suggesting that the public sector built British Leyland cars were in some way inferior to the BMW available at the time? I know bits used to fall off them but I'm sure that this was only due to the weekly strikes meaning that, when the grey boiler suits returned to the plant, they couldn't recall which bits they hadn't put on.
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whatintheworld[/bold] wrote: i dont see how a 68 year old is going to have the energy to effectivley educate a class of 30+ kids. we shouldnt be running education like its a private sector industry. its too important to all of us.[/p][/quote]I love the attitude that only the public sector has the high mindedness to make things work. Maybe you'll tell us all when you last travelled on an aeroplane made by the public sector or went through an X-ray machine or CT scanner made by the public sector. Did it ever occur to you that if the public sector was responsible for supplying your food you'd be lucky to have a choice of white or brown bread? Go and talk to someone who lived in the Soviet part of Germany to find out how good the public sector is in delivering important services.[/p][/quote]Are you suggesting that the public sector built British Leyland cars were in some way inferior to the BMW available at the time? I know bits used to fall off them but I'm sure that this was only due to the weekly strikes meaning that, when the grey boiler suits returned to the plant, they couldn't recall which bits they hadn't put on. Llanmartinangel
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11:27am Thu 27 Mar 14

whatintheworld says...

Dai Rear wrote:
whatintheworld wrote: i dont see how a 68 year old is going to have the energy to effectivley educate a class of 30+ kids. we shouldnt be running education like its a private sector industry. its too important to all of us.
I love the attitude that only the public sector has the high mindedness to make things work. Maybe you'll tell us all when you last travelled on an aeroplane made by the public sector or went through an X-ray machine or CT scanner made by the public sector. Did it ever occur to you that if the public sector was responsible for supplying your food you'd be lucky to have a choice of white or brown bread? Go and talk to someone who lived in the Soviet part of Germany to find out how good the public sector is in delivering important services.
There is a big difference between a SERVICE and a BUSINESS.

The private sector is too risky for something like education. Free markets should not be able to influence whether your kid gets 5 A*-Cs at GCSE, or 2.
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whatintheworld[/bold] wrote: i dont see how a 68 year old is going to have the energy to effectivley educate a class of 30+ kids. we shouldnt be running education like its a private sector industry. its too important to all of us.[/p][/quote]I love the attitude that only the public sector has the high mindedness to make things work. Maybe you'll tell us all when you last travelled on an aeroplane made by the public sector or went through an X-ray machine or CT scanner made by the public sector. Did it ever occur to you that if the public sector was responsible for supplying your food you'd be lucky to have a choice of white or brown bread? Go and talk to someone who lived in the Soviet part of Germany to find out how good the public sector is in delivering important services.[/p][/quote]There is a big difference between a SERVICE and a BUSINESS. The private sector is too risky for something like education. Free markets should not be able to influence whether your kid gets 5 A*-Cs at GCSE, or 2. whatintheworld
  • Score: 5

11:50am Thu 27 Mar 14

Dai Rear says...

whatintheworld wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
whatintheworld wrote: i dont see how a 68 year old is going to have the energy to effectivley educate a class of 30+ kids. we shouldnt be running education like its a private sector industry. its too important to all of us.
I love the attitude that only the public sector has the high mindedness to make things work. Maybe you'll tell us all when you last travelled on an aeroplane made by the public sector or went through an X-ray machine or CT scanner made by the public sector. Did it ever occur to you that if the public sector was responsible for supplying your food you'd be lucky to have a choice of white or brown bread? Go and talk to someone who lived in the Soviet part of Germany to find out how good the public sector is in delivering important services.
There is a big difference between a SERVICE and a BUSINESS.

The private sector is too risky for something like education. Free markets should not be able to influence whether your kid gets 5 A*-Cs at GCSE, or 2.
yes I have indeed noticed that many people from abroad send their children to our independent schools because....erm...the
y're "too risky"? You aren't guilty of the loony left's mortal sin of xenophobia are you?
[quote][p][bold]whatintheworld[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whatintheworld[/bold] wrote: i dont see how a 68 year old is going to have the energy to effectivley educate a class of 30+ kids. we shouldnt be running education like its a private sector industry. its too important to all of us.[/p][/quote]I love the attitude that only the public sector has the high mindedness to make things work. Maybe you'll tell us all when you last travelled on an aeroplane made by the public sector or went through an X-ray machine or CT scanner made by the public sector. Did it ever occur to you that if the public sector was responsible for supplying your food you'd be lucky to have a choice of white or brown bread? Go and talk to someone who lived in the Soviet part of Germany to find out how good the public sector is in delivering important services.[/p][/quote]There is a big difference between a SERVICE and a BUSINESS. The private sector is too risky for something like education. Free markets should not be able to influence whether your kid gets 5 A*-Cs at GCSE, or 2.[/p][/quote]yes I have indeed noticed that many people from abroad send their children to our independent schools because....erm...the y're "too risky"? You aren't guilty of the loony left's mortal sin of xenophobia are you? Dai Rear
  • Score: -4

12:30pm Thu 27 Mar 14

whatintheworld says...

Dai Rear wrote:
whatintheworld wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
whatintheworld wrote: i dont see how a 68 year old is going to have the energy to effectivley educate a class of 30+ kids. we shouldnt be running education like its a private sector industry. its too important to all of us.
I love the attitude that only the public sector has the high mindedness to make things work. Maybe you'll tell us all when you last travelled on an aeroplane made by the public sector or went through an X-ray machine or CT scanner made by the public sector. Did it ever occur to you that if the public sector was responsible for supplying your food you'd be lucky to have a choice of white or brown bread? Go and talk to someone who lived in the Soviet part of Germany to find out how good the public sector is in delivering important services.
There is a big difference between a SERVICE and a BUSINESS. The private sector is too risky for something like education. Free markets should not be able to influence whether your kid gets 5 A*-Cs at GCSE, or 2.
yes I have indeed noticed that many people from abroad send their children to our independent schools because....erm...the y're "too risky"? You aren't guilty of the loony left's mortal sin of xenophobia are you?
the independant schools to which you refer are well-established and extremely well-funded. compared to state schools, there are hardly any and theyre not going to have trouble with attracting the best teachers; they are very prestigious institutions.

if all state schools were put in to the private sector, the "market" would be flooded. this would drive standards down across the board.

the free market can work wonders for industries, theres not denying that. but they can also be very, very risky (see housing and banking for perfect examples).

the risk - in my opinion - is not worth taking.
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whatintheworld[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whatintheworld[/bold] wrote: i dont see how a 68 year old is going to have the energy to effectivley educate a class of 30+ kids. we shouldnt be running education like its a private sector industry. its too important to all of us.[/p][/quote]I love the attitude that only the public sector has the high mindedness to make things work. Maybe you'll tell us all when you last travelled on an aeroplane made by the public sector or went through an X-ray machine or CT scanner made by the public sector. Did it ever occur to you that if the public sector was responsible for supplying your food you'd be lucky to have a choice of white or brown bread? Go and talk to someone who lived in the Soviet part of Germany to find out how good the public sector is in delivering important services.[/p][/quote]There is a big difference between a SERVICE and a BUSINESS. The private sector is too risky for something like education. Free markets should not be able to influence whether your kid gets 5 A*-Cs at GCSE, or 2.[/p][/quote]yes I have indeed noticed that many people from abroad send their children to our independent schools because....erm...the y're "too risky"? You aren't guilty of the loony left's mortal sin of xenophobia are you?[/p][/quote]the independant schools to which you refer are well-established and extremely well-funded. compared to state schools, there are hardly any and theyre not going to have trouble with attracting the best teachers; they are very prestigious institutions. if all state schools were put in to the private sector, the "market" would be flooded. this would drive standards down across the board. the free market can work wonders for industries, theres not denying that. but they can also be very, very risky (see housing and banking for perfect examples). the risk - in my opinion - is not worth taking. whatintheworld
  • Score: 2

12:59pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Dai Rear says...

"if all state schools were put in to the private sector, the "market" would be flooded. this would drive standards down across the board."
It's a big topic and I suppose comes down to "trust the citizen" and "you can't trust the citizen"
I'm comfortable with the first proposition but then I go to bed early and am not out on the town seeing citizens make absolute idiots of themselves, so I understand your point of view , even if I don't share it, but glad you agree that the private independent schools present a benchmark and sad you think there's inadequate teaching talent to go round.
"if all state schools were put in to the private sector, the "market" would be flooded. this would drive standards down across the board." It's a big topic and I suppose comes down to "trust the citizen" and "you can't trust the citizen" I'm comfortable with the first proposition but then I go to bed early and am not out on the town seeing citizens make absolute idiots of themselves, so I understand your point of view , even if I don't share it, but glad you agree that the private independent schools present a benchmark and sad you think there's inadequate teaching talent to go round. Dai Rear
  • Score: 1

1:38pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Katie Re-Registered says...

Hmmm...in work yourself to death Britain the retirement age seems to be getting higher and higher for most of us. And to think, in France recently they were rioting on the streets at the prospect of having to work until the ripe old age of 62!

I wonder if someone in government is busy calculating in how many workers will die before they reach pensionable age and how much money can be saved in relation to how many of us kick the bucket?

It's true that private sector employees get forgotten about though - or even misrepresented. There seems to be the assumption that workers in the private sector are making loads more money than those in the public but those who so confidently jump to such a conclusion forget about the (mostly female low-paid) admin assistants, secretaries and cleaners who make up the bulk of the private sector workforce. Trouble is, we're often un-unionised as there is no union to represent us. I suppose we could always go to the extreme and join the IWW (International Workers of the World)...y'know those infamous 'wobblies' who used to blow stuff up an' that:)!
Hmmm...in work yourself to death Britain the retirement age seems to be getting higher and higher for most of us. And to think, in France recently they were rioting on the streets at the prospect of having to work until the ripe old age of 62! I wonder if someone in government is busy calculating in how many workers will die before they reach pensionable age and how much money can be saved in relation to how many of us kick the bucket? It's true that private sector employees get forgotten about though - or even misrepresented. There seems to be the assumption that workers in the private sector are making loads more money than those in the public but those who so confidently jump to such a conclusion forget about the (mostly female low-paid) admin assistants, secretaries and cleaners who make up the bulk of the private sector workforce. Trouble is, we're often un-unionised as there is no union to represent us. I suppose we could always go to the extreme and join the IWW (International Workers of the World)...y'know those infamous 'wobblies' who used to blow stuff up an' that:)! Katie Re-Registered
  • Score: 0

1:51pm Thu 27 Mar 14

whatintheworld says...

Dai Rear wrote:
"if all state schools were put in to the private sector, the "market" would be flooded. this would drive standards down across the board." It's a big topic and I suppose comes down to "trust the citizen" and "you can't trust the citizen" I'm comfortable with the first proposition but then I go to bed early and am not out on the town seeing citizens make absolute idiots of themselves, so I understand your point of view , even if I don't share it, but glad you agree that the private independent schools present a benchmark and sad you think there's inadequate teaching talent to go round.
the thing is though, its not whether you trust the citizen, its whether you trust free markets.

the market is there for one reason - to serve its shareholders. i think theres a risk that their needs would - in some cases - come before those of the kids.
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: "if all state schools were put in to the private sector, the "market" would be flooded. this would drive standards down across the board." It's a big topic and I suppose comes down to "trust the citizen" and "you can't trust the citizen" I'm comfortable with the first proposition but then I go to bed early and am not out on the town seeing citizens make absolute idiots of themselves, so I understand your point of view , even if I don't share it, but glad you agree that the private independent schools present a benchmark and sad you think there's inadequate teaching talent to go round.[/p][/quote]the thing is though, its not whether you trust the citizen, its whether you trust free markets. the market is there for one reason - to serve its shareholders. i think theres a risk that their needs would - in some cases - come before those of the kids. whatintheworld
  • Score: -1

3:26pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Dai Rear says...

That's what Katie is talking about isn't it? because for "shareholders" actually read "pensions", because there aren't any fat rentiers in frock coats and top hats left. If you feel that the shareholders in Eton and Harrow are messing things up I can't agree. What you're talking about is the State still trying to keep its finger in the pie by for example, giving Crapita and G4S contracts to run schools. That wouldn't be a free market just another loony hybrid. Why not be radical and kiss goodbye to the State altogether? We pay more in tax than we get out of the system because a lot of it is creamed off by State middlemen before teachers even get a look in.
That's what Katie is talking about isn't it? because for "shareholders" actually read "pensions", because there aren't any fat rentiers in frock coats and top hats left. If you feel that the shareholders in Eton and Harrow are messing things up I can't agree. What you're talking about is the State still trying to keep its finger in the pie by for example, giving Crapita and G4S contracts to run schools. That wouldn't be a free market just another loony hybrid. Why not be radical and kiss goodbye to the State altogether? We pay more in tax than we get out of the system because a lot of it is creamed off by State middlemen before teachers even get a look in. Dai Rear
  • Score: 1

4:26pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Llanmartinangel says...

whatintheworld wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
"if all state schools were put in to the private sector, the "market" would be flooded. this would drive standards down across the board." It's a big topic and I suppose comes down to "trust the citizen" and "you can't trust the citizen" I'm comfortable with the first proposition but then I go to bed early and am not out on the town seeing citizens make absolute idiots of themselves, so I understand your point of view , even if I don't share it, but glad you agree that the private independent schools present a benchmark and sad you think there's inadequate teaching talent to go round.
the thing is though, its not whether you trust the citizen, its whether you trust free markets.

the market is there for one reason - to serve its shareholders. i think theres a risk that their needs would - in some cases - come before those of the kids.
Do you think their was a risk that, in Mid Staffs health trust, the interests of the public sector managers and staff came before that of all the patients that died? Pretending that all the 'risks' are in the private sector is a tad simplistic.
[quote][p][bold]whatintheworld[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: "if all state schools were put in to the private sector, the "market" would be flooded. this would drive standards down across the board." It's a big topic and I suppose comes down to "trust the citizen" and "you can't trust the citizen" I'm comfortable with the first proposition but then I go to bed early and am not out on the town seeing citizens make absolute idiots of themselves, so I understand your point of view , even if I don't share it, but glad you agree that the private independent schools present a benchmark and sad you think there's inadequate teaching talent to go round.[/p][/quote]the thing is though, its not whether you trust the citizen, its whether you trust free markets. the market is there for one reason - to serve its shareholders. i think theres a risk that their needs would - in some cases - come before those of the kids.[/p][/quote]Do you think their was a risk that, in Mid Staffs health trust, the interests of the public sector managers and staff came before that of all the patients that died? Pretending that all the 'risks' are in the private sector is a tad simplistic. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 1

8:12am Tue 1 Apr 14

Mervyn James says...

Bobevans wrote:
They need to get real. Very Long holidays, Very short working week and still they moan. It is almost impossible to sack bad teachers and the quality of UK education in general is poor
The other issue is talks about importing teachers from Europe and elsewhere,then our kids are faced with teachers they cannot understand either. I think this bowing to multiculturalism is part of the problem, some classes you can end up the only white kid on the block and with 10 other languages being spoken in the playground.

It is suggested this broadens the mind and encourages our children to speak more languages themselves,the reality, is language acquisition has plummeted. We may be heading for segregated schooling, after all it is a right for Asians, Islamics, and others, so why not ours ? Equality only seems to work one way, for criminals, for migrants, for racial and religious bigots, and no-one else.
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: They need to get real. Very Long holidays, Very short working week and still they moan. It is almost impossible to sack bad teachers and the quality of UK education in general is poor[/p][/quote]The other issue is talks about importing teachers from Europe and elsewhere,then our kids are faced with teachers they cannot understand either. I think this bowing to multiculturalism is part of the problem, some classes you can end up the only white kid on the block and with 10 other languages being spoken in the playground. It is suggested this broadens the mind and encourages our children to speak more languages themselves,the reality, is language acquisition has plummeted. We may be heading for segregated schooling, after all it is a right for Asians, Islamics, and others, so why not ours ? Equality only seems to work one way, for criminals, for migrants, for racial and religious bigots, and no-one else. Mervyn James
  • Score: 3

10:06am Tue 1 Apr 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

Mervyn James wrote:
Schools are such stressful situations a teacher is probably past his or her best after 10 years of managing 30 kids a day while their parents apparently struggle with 1 or 2. In my day you shut up until you were asked a question and interrupted your teacher at your own risk. Today kids ignore teachers play with phones, attack teachers, answer them back, or simply not turn up if so inclined. A teacher who is burnt out after 8-10 years is no use to our kids, forcing them to work until 68 is impossible a demand, they would get sacked the minute they showed signs of stress. Anyway no employer in the UK wants you after 35 years of age, and the government haven't addressed that issue at all. With many schools using English as second language too it can only go one way... We would need to segregate our kids from such schools to get any sort of education, and to avoid endless plugs for other cultural norms.
Mervyn, that is your liberal left wing buddies who are responsible for the breakdown in discipline in the schools.
Too much political correctness and human rights advocated by the do-gooders are responsible for the society we have today.
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: Schools are such stressful situations a teacher is probably past his or her best after 10 years of managing 30 kids a day while their parents apparently struggle with 1 or 2. In my day you shut up until you were asked a question and interrupted your teacher at your own risk. Today kids ignore teachers play with phones, attack teachers, answer them back, or simply not turn up if so inclined. A teacher who is burnt out after 8-10 years is no use to our kids, forcing them to work until 68 is impossible a demand, they would get sacked the minute they showed signs of stress. Anyway no employer in the UK wants you after 35 years of age, and the government haven't addressed that issue at all. With many schools using English as second language too it can only go one way... We would need to segregate our kids from such schools to get any sort of education, and to avoid endless plugs for other cultural norms.[/p][/quote]Mervyn, that is your liberal left wing buddies who are responsible for the breakdown in discipline in the schools. Too much political correctness and human rights advocated by the do-gooders are responsible for the society we have today. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: 2

7:20pm Tue 1 Apr 14

endthelies says...

Cymru Am Beth wrote:
Mervyn James wrote:
Schools are such stressful situations a teacher is probably past his or her best after 10 years of managing 30 kids a day while their parents apparently struggle with 1 or 2. In my day you shut up until you were asked a question and interrupted your teacher at your own risk. Today kids ignore teachers play with phones, attack teachers, answer them back, or simply not turn up if so inclined. A teacher who is burnt out after 8-10 years is no use to our kids, forcing them to work until 68 is impossible a demand, they would get sacked the minute they showed signs of stress. Anyway no employer in the UK wants you after 35 years of age, and the government haven't addressed that issue at all. With many schools using English as second language too it can only go one way... We would need to segregate our kids from such schools to get any sort of education, and to avoid endless plugs for other cultural norms.
Mervyn, that is your liberal left wing buddies who are responsible for the breakdown in discipline in the schools.
Too much political correctness and human rights advocated by the do-gooders are responsible for the society we have today.
Oh for heavens sake give it a rest Cymru. Namecalling gets you nowhere you know. Its you and your right wing buddies who are in charge of the education system and the teachers can only deliver a curriculum that is set out be them! If education is failing our children, then look to the curriculum.
[quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: Schools are such stressful situations a teacher is probably past his or her best after 10 years of managing 30 kids a day while their parents apparently struggle with 1 or 2. In my day you shut up until you were asked a question and interrupted your teacher at your own risk. Today kids ignore teachers play with phones, attack teachers, answer them back, or simply not turn up if so inclined. A teacher who is burnt out after 8-10 years is no use to our kids, forcing them to work until 68 is impossible a demand, they would get sacked the minute they showed signs of stress. Anyway no employer in the UK wants you after 35 years of age, and the government haven't addressed that issue at all. With many schools using English as second language too it can only go one way... We would need to segregate our kids from such schools to get any sort of education, and to avoid endless plugs for other cultural norms.[/p][/quote]Mervyn, that is your liberal left wing buddies who are responsible for the breakdown in discipline in the schools. Too much political correctness and human rights advocated by the do-gooders are responsible for the society we have today.[/p][/quote]Oh for heavens sake give it a rest Cymru. Namecalling gets you nowhere you know. Its you and your right wing buddies who are in charge of the education system and the teachers can only deliver a curriculum that is set out be them! If education is failing our children, then look to the curriculum. endthelies
  • Score: 4

3:23pm Wed 2 Apr 14

welshmen says...

Teachers 68 years, Construction Workers 68 years, another way for Government to stop paying pensions, because most who are supposed to work this long wont be around to take a pension, I hope the Teachers fight for their rights that were promised donkeys years ago...

Some don't like the truth on here, the liberal elite who want this Country for everybody bar the British, it's been happening for years, discipline has disappeared completely, over crowded with foreign kids who parents have NOT paid a penny into our system, our kids are last in line all the time, help the immigrants, translators cost the Education system £millions a year.

Not with standing the attention the teacher has to give to these foreigners kids and waiting lists for British Pupils to start School, no more immigration, our Country our Kids, i didn't vote for the Liberalisation of our Country for everybody else in the world, the Quicker it's changed the better, the left have ruined our Country with only their agenda on the plate, discipline was lost so was our kids education and with very poor leadership aimed at the Liberal Elite way for our Country to go.

The Teachers, the good ones who ignore the political and Religious doctrines are the best, they should be supported not sacked or lied about by a certain Religion to Brainwash our Kids into Radical thinking....our Schools our Country our Language, if Immigrants can't speak our Mother tongue don't come here, or until you can, you wont be missed but it will save our Country £Billions, we have to change the way the Media and Government Rags brainwash you into their leftest ideology, which is very bad for the British people and could be the beginning of the end or the beginning of a new start before it's un-retrievable, just takes COURAGE to Change, WE owe it to our kids for their legacy to their Future....
Teachers 68 years, Construction Workers 68 years, another way for Government to stop paying pensions, because most who are supposed to work this long wont be around to take a pension, I hope the Teachers fight for their rights that were promised donkeys years ago... Some don't like the truth on here, the liberal elite who want this Country for everybody bar the British, it's been happening for years, discipline has disappeared completely, over crowded with foreign kids who parents have NOT paid a penny into our system, our kids are last in line all the time, help the immigrants, translators cost the Education system £millions a year. Not with standing the attention the teacher has to give to these foreigners kids and waiting lists for British Pupils to start School, no more immigration, our Country our Kids, i didn't vote for the Liberalisation of our Country for everybody else in the world, the Quicker it's changed the better, the left have ruined our Country with only their agenda on the plate, discipline was lost so was our kids education and with very poor leadership aimed at the Liberal Elite way for our Country to go. The Teachers, the good ones who ignore the political and Religious doctrines are the best, they should be supported not sacked or lied about by a certain Religion to Brainwash our Kids into Radical thinking....our Schools our Country our Language, if Immigrants can't speak our Mother tongue don't come here, or until you can, you wont be missed but it will save our Country £Billions, we have to change the way the Media and Government Rags brainwash you into their leftest ideology, which is very bad for the British people and could be the beginning of the end or the beginning of a new start before it's un-retrievable, just takes COURAGE to Change, WE owe it to our kids for their legacy to their Future.... welshmen
  • Score: 1

7:39am Thu 3 Apr 14

Dai Rear says...

endthelies wrote:
Cymru Am Beth wrote:
Mervyn James wrote:
Schools are such stressful situations a teacher is probably past his or her best after 10 years of managing 30 kids a day while their parents apparently struggle with 1 or 2. In my day you shut up until you were asked a question and interrupted your teacher at your own risk. Today kids ignore teachers play with phones, attack teachers, answer them back, or simply not turn up if so inclined. A teacher who is burnt out after 8-10 years is no use to our kids, forcing them to work until 68 is impossible a demand, they would get sacked the minute they showed signs of stress. Anyway no employer in the UK wants you after 35 years of age, and the government haven't addressed that issue at all. With many schools using English as second language too it can only go one way... We would need to segregate our kids from such schools to get any sort of education, and to avoid endless plugs for other cultural norms.
Mervyn, that is your liberal left wing buddies who are responsible for the breakdown in discipline in the schools.
Too much political correctness and human rights advocated by the do-gooders are responsible for the society we have today.
Oh for heavens sake give it a rest Cymru. Namecalling gets you nowhere you know. Its you and your right wing buddies who are in charge of the education system and the teachers can only deliver a curriculum that is set out be them! If education is failing our children, then look to the curriculum.
"Its you and your right wing buddies who are in charge of the education system and the teachers can only deliver a curriculum that is set out be them! If education is failing our children, then look to the curriculum"
The EDF and the BNP are the "right wing" of the socialist continuum and I really don't see any evidence of their influence. Do you? The problem appears to be what the deeply un-photogenic Gove calls "the Blob", an Establishment which cannot really be characterised as anywhere within the "Right" "Left" socialist spectrum or within the liberal spectrum. Hate to say it but you'd benefit from reading his take on it. The "Left" part of the socialist spectrum in the shape of the vile Crosland, of course dealt State education, particularly in Wales, a body blow from which it has never recovered. .
[quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: Schools are such stressful situations a teacher is probably past his or her best after 10 years of managing 30 kids a day while their parents apparently struggle with 1 or 2. In my day you shut up until you were asked a question and interrupted your teacher at your own risk. Today kids ignore teachers play with phones, attack teachers, answer them back, or simply not turn up if so inclined. A teacher who is burnt out after 8-10 years is no use to our kids, forcing them to work until 68 is impossible a demand, they would get sacked the minute they showed signs of stress. Anyway no employer in the UK wants you after 35 years of age, and the government haven't addressed that issue at all. With many schools using English as second language too it can only go one way... We would need to segregate our kids from such schools to get any sort of education, and to avoid endless plugs for other cultural norms.[/p][/quote]Mervyn, that is your liberal left wing buddies who are responsible for the breakdown in discipline in the schools. Too much political correctness and human rights advocated by the do-gooders are responsible for the society we have today.[/p][/quote]Oh for heavens sake give it a rest Cymru. Namecalling gets you nowhere you know. Its you and your right wing buddies who are in charge of the education system and the teachers can only deliver a curriculum that is set out be them! If education is failing our children, then look to the curriculum.[/p][/quote]"Its you and your right wing buddies who are in charge of the education system and the teachers can only deliver a curriculum that is set out be them! If education is failing our children, then look to the curriculum" The EDF and the BNP are the "right wing" of the socialist continuum and I really don't see any evidence of their influence. Do you? The problem appears to be what the deeply un-photogenic Gove calls "the Blob", an Establishment which cannot really be characterised as anywhere within the "Right" "Left" socialist spectrum or within the liberal spectrum. Hate to say it but you'd benefit from reading his take on it. The "Left" part of the socialist spectrum in the shape of the vile Crosland, of course dealt State education, particularly in Wales, a body blow from which it has never recovered. . Dai Rear
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