Miliband accepts Welsh NHS problems

South Wales Argus: Labour leader Ed Miliband accepts that there are issue with the NHS in Wales Labour leader Ed Miliband accepts that there are issue with the NHS in Wales

LABOUR leader Ed Miliband has acknowledged that the NHS in Wales has "big challenges to meet", but insisted that the Tories could not be trusted to run the health service.

The Conservatives have sought to highlight problems in the Welsh NHS, which is the responsibility of the Labour administration in Cardiff Bay, as a way of attacking Mr Miliband's party's record on public spending and running services.

First Minister Carwyn Jones admitted there had been "unacceptable" examples of poor care in Wales, but accused the Tories of "willing" a crisis in the country's NHS on a daily basis.

Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt and his Welsh counterpart Mark Drakeford have been embroiled in a cross-border spat about the NHS, and David Cameron has frequently highlighted the situation in Wales at Prime Minister's Questions.

In his keynote speech a the Welsh Labour conference, Mr Miliband said the challenges facing the NHS in Wales included "better, early diagnosis and support for the older population".

He claimed the Prime Minister was keen to highlight issues in Wales to avoid discussing the impact of the coalition Government's controversial health reforms in England.

"But when David Cameron talks about the NHS in Wales, let's remember what the NHS in Wales was like when the Tories were last in charge," he said.

"There were half the A&E consultants you have today. The number of nurses was being savagely cut back.

"And the Tories set a target for people to get treatment within 18 months. But couldn't even deliver on that.

"And why is David Cameron so desperate to talk about the NHS in Wales?"

"Let's remember the real reason: It's because he doesn't want to talk about what he is doing in England.

"Billions wasted on a top-down reorganisation that nobody wanted and nobody voted for. A top-down reorganisation in the NHS he promised would not happen."

Mr Miliband said in England thousands of nurses had been laid off, while managers were pocketing redundancy payments before being rehired.

He said: "T hese are the reasons why, whatever the pressures and challenges you face here, nobody in Wales is saying: 'Please send for Cameron'.

"The people of Wales know the oldest truth in politics: y ou can't trust the Tories with the NHS."

At the conference in Llandudno, Mr Miliband promised greater powers for the Senedd if he is prime minister after 2015 The next Labour government will pass a new Government of Wales Act, w ith powers assumed as devolved to Wales unless specifically reserved to Westminster.

The move would bring Wales into line with Scotland, "m odernising and advancing the devolution settlement for generations to come".

Mr Jones - who hit out at a "Tory war on Wales" - acknowledged there were some "difficult truths" about the NHS in Wales, including "examples of poor care, which are unacceptable".

He said there are waiting times for diagnostic tests which are "too long, for too many", examples of "complacency "at the top of local health boards and a "complicated complaints system".

"For those failings, we hold up our hands and say, yes we could have done better. And we will do better," he said.

"But, even with all those challenges facing us, isn't the most fundamental truth about the NHS that, like democracy, will always be the best imperfect solution we will ever have."

Highlighting problems in England he added: " Make no mistake; all our health services face pressure - in England, Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales. As they have done, in one way or another, in every year since 1948.

"Unlike the Tories though, we take no pleasure in these sorts of statistics.

"Unlike the Tories in Westminster, we want the NHS in Wales and England to thrive.

"The truth is - we will not talk the NHS down. The same cannot be said of the Prime Minister.

"The Tories aren't warning people in Wales about a crisis in the health service; they are willing it to happen on a daily basis.

"That is the sort of Government that exists in Whitehall. And that is why they must be defeated."

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4:44pm Sun 30 Mar 14

gathin says...

Are we really expected to believe that Liabour would and could do anything differently in regards to the dying NHS??
They all want to privatise it as soon as they can so their big business mates can max out on profits as soon as they can that is evident and obvious for all to see.
I can't believe they're still banging on that we actually have a choice in all this.
It's like being offered the option of which STD you'd like.
Are we really expected to believe that Liabour would and could do anything differently in regards to the dying NHS?? They all want to privatise it as soon as they can so their big business mates can max out on profits as soon as they can that is evident and obvious for all to see. I can't believe they're still banging on that we actually have a choice in all this. It's like being offered the option of which STD you'd like. gathin
  • Score: 11

5:12pm Sun 30 Mar 14

Llanmartinangel says...

So Carwyn denies anything is wrong and Mr Bean thinks differently. Line yourselves up guys.
So Carwyn denies anything is wrong and Mr Bean thinks differently. Line yourselves up guys. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 12

6:43pm Sun 30 Mar 14

Aquarius says...

Yes, tend to agree that politicians now are all the same, no matter what the party. They're out for power and themselves - that's it. No one trusts any of them.

Mind you, for all the criticism (much of it well deserved) I've yet to hear what the likes of Darren Millar of the Tories or Kirsty Williams of the Lb Dems would do. Always lots of sniping from these two but nothing to say how they would approach the problems. Wonder why that is, LOL.
Yes, tend to agree that politicians now are all the same, no matter what the party. They're out for power and themselves - that's it. No one trusts any of them. Mind you, for all the criticism (much of it well deserved) I've yet to hear what the likes of Darren Millar of the Tories or Kirsty Williams of the Lb Dems would do. Always lots of sniping from these two but nothing to say how they would approach the problems. Wonder why that is, LOL. Aquarius
  • Score: 3

6:48pm Sun 30 Mar 14

Mervyn James says...

gathin wrote:
Are we really expected to believe that Liabour would and could do anything differently in regards to the dying NHS??
They all want to privatise it as soon as they can so their big business mates can max out on profits as soon as they can that is evident and obvious for all to see.
I can't believe they're still banging on that we actually have a choice in all this.
It's like being offered the option of which STD you'd like.
Sadly no, Milliband has declared support for more of the same even if they get in because otherwise middle England won't give them a vote. They are also backing ATOS/DWP attacks on the poor despite stating they are against, they are toried in red, and worse believe Scotland/Wales should be run by London while London is still run by grey faced non-entities in Europe, dedicated to sending their poor here, because they don't want them. I suggest we deport 600 people at Westminster would be a good start on solving the problem. Mr Bean lol (Well if the name fits....)
[quote][p][bold]gathin[/bold] wrote: Are we really expected to believe that Liabour would and could do anything differently in regards to the dying NHS?? They all want to privatise it as soon as they can so their big business mates can max out on profits as soon as they can that is evident and obvious for all to see. I can't believe they're still banging on that we actually have a choice in all this. It's like being offered the option of which STD you'd like.[/p][/quote]Sadly no, Milliband has declared support for more of the same even if they get in because otherwise middle England won't give them a vote. They are also backing ATOS/DWP attacks on the poor despite stating they are against, they are toried in red, and worse believe Scotland/Wales should be run by London while London is still run by grey faced non-entities in Europe, dedicated to sending their poor here, because they don't want them. I suggest we deport 600 people at Westminster would be a good start on solving the problem. Mr Bean lol (Well if the name fits....) Mervyn James
  • Score: 0

7:30pm Sun 30 Mar 14

Votefornoneoftheabove says...

Perhaps Ed and the gang can use this as a party slogan, " Dying For An Operation, Vote Labour "

Carwyn could use, " It Wasn't Me! "

Stand up and be counted if you have got something wrong admit it, tell the people the truth then tell them what you are going to try to do to make amends, then review it in an honest and open manner.

If you get it wrong again, say so and resign simple really.
Perhaps Ed and the gang can use this as a party slogan, " Dying For An Operation, Vote Labour " Carwyn could use, " It Wasn't Me! " Stand up and be counted if you have got something wrong admit it, tell the people the truth then tell them what you are going to try to do to make amends, then review it in an honest and open manner. If you get it wrong again, say so and resign simple really. Votefornoneoftheabove
  • Score: 14

7:33pm Sun 30 Mar 14

Magor says...

Whilst the NHS is run by politicians it will never be right..Politicians cant even run themselves.
Whilst the NHS is run by politicians it will never be right..Politicians cant even run themselves. Magor
  • Score: 11

7:51pm Sun 30 Mar 14

Llanmartinangel says...

Magor wrote:
Whilst the NHS is run by politicians it will never be right..Politicians cant even run themselves.
If you spent the price of WAG on the NHS the £700 m per year would help for sure.
[quote][p][bold]Magor[/bold] wrote: Whilst the NHS is run by politicians it will never be right..Politicians cant even run themselves.[/p][/quote]If you spent the price of WAG on the NHS the £700 m per year would help for sure. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 12

7:59pm Sun 30 Mar 14

welshmen says...

So would a £billion off the Foreign Aid Budget LMA, solve our NHS in the short term, then get tough on the "managers" sack a few, train our own Doctors and Nurses, we have enough on the dole to train, make foreign health tourists have insurance the same as us when we are abroad, all it takes is us the people to change things for the best, vote for the party that put British first all the time NOT last as now....
So would a £billion off the Foreign Aid Budget LMA, solve our NHS in the short term, then get tough on the "managers" sack a few, train our own Doctors and Nurses, we have enough on the dole to train, make foreign health tourists have insurance the same as us when we are abroad, all it takes is us the people to change things for the best, vote for the party that put British first all the time NOT last as now.... welshmen
  • Score: 8

8:11pm Sun 30 Mar 14

Port0214 says...

The bottom line is this, when Labour are in power they do the absolute minimum why? you ask yourselves simple, you could put a red rosette on a chimp and it would get in no effort needed.

And when the Tories are at the helm, see above.
The bottom line is this, when Labour are in power they do the absolute minimum why? you ask yourselves simple, you could put a red rosette on a chimp and it would get in no effort needed. And when the Tories are at the helm, see above. Port0214
  • Score: 4

9:04pm Sun 30 Mar 14

allanrees1980 says...

Having worked on the frontline in two hospital discharge teams, the problems with the NHS is the interface between the NHS and Social Services. The NHS is Welsh Government led, social services are local authority led. Yes there are good examples of joint working such as the Frailty Project, however you are still trying to blend water with oil. The problem also lies is that there are so many social services departments and so little health boards/trusts which makes communication and logistics very difficult. I wouldn't recommend merging health and social care as they do do each other justice by keeping each other in check, google medical v's social models of care. So we need to look at how we can make this partnership work better, we need a more robust social care system that will get people out of hospital quick and also prevent them going in. The budgets they share should be pooled. However, asking a health board to interface with at least two local authorities that run themselves differently is a false economy. It's like getting a St Bernard (a very big NHS) to mate with a few jack Russell's (in comparison a small local authority).
Having worked on the frontline in two hospital discharge teams, the problems with the NHS is the interface between the NHS and Social Services. The NHS is Welsh Government led, social services are local authority led. Yes there are good examples of joint working such as the Frailty Project, however you are still trying to blend water with oil. The problem also lies is that there are so many social services departments and so little health boards/trusts which makes communication and logistics very difficult. I wouldn't recommend merging health and social care as they do do each other justice by keeping each other in check, google medical v's social models of care. So we need to look at how we can make this partnership work better, we need a more robust social care system that will get people out of hospital quick and also prevent them going in. The budgets they share should be pooled. However, asking a health board to interface with at least two local authorities that run themselves differently is a false economy. It's like getting a St Bernard (a very big NHS) to mate with a few jack Russell's (in comparison a small local authority). allanrees1980
  • Score: 3

9:48pm Sun 30 Mar 14

Llanmartinangel says...

welshmen wrote:
So would a £billion off the Foreign Aid Budget LMA, solve our NHS in the short term, then get tough on the "managers" sack a few, train our own Doctors and Nurses, we have enough on the dole to train, make foreign health tourists have insurance the same as us when we are abroad, all it takes is us the people to change things for the best, vote for the party that put British first all the time NOT last as now....
You are certainly right about the foreign aid budget. Government waste is an epidemic and devolution is just one manifestation of it. There are many.
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: So would a £billion off the Foreign Aid Budget LMA, solve our NHS in the short term, then get tough on the "managers" sack a few, train our own Doctors and Nurses, we have enough on the dole to train, make foreign health tourists have insurance the same as us when we are abroad, all it takes is us the people to change things for the best, vote for the party that put British first all the time NOT last as now....[/p][/quote]You are certainly right about the foreign aid budget. Government waste is an epidemic and devolution is just one manifestation of it. There are many. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 5

10:15pm Sun 30 Mar 14

Floppy backed says...

Scrap the free prescriptions for a start - what a waste that has been.

The system is broke so pumping more money into a badly run system isn't going to mend it - no difference than pumping money into an old banger. So no matter what party is in power I cant see how its going to improve it - it needs a serious overhaul - it should be taking on board views of those working in the system and start remedy the waste and poor management.

On the other hand those people who drain the system through lifestyle choice shouldn't be subsidised by the tax payers. I see no choice but to start a two tear system - those who put in get priority and part privatisation would only stop those serial breeders, those ignorant to obesity and binge drinkers who think its ok but to need liver treatment in years to come. If the population age is to increase but lifestyle choices to decrease then we have a problem of keeping those people alive to a huge cost to the NHS - its not going to work.
Scrap the free prescriptions for a start - what a waste that has been. The system is broke so pumping more money into a badly run system isn't going to mend it - no difference than pumping money into an old banger. So no matter what party is in power I cant see how its going to improve it - it needs a serious overhaul - it should be taking on board views of those working in the system and start remedy the waste and poor management. On the other hand those people who drain the system through lifestyle choice shouldn't be subsidised by the tax payers. I see no choice but to start a two tear system - those who put in get priority and part privatisation would only stop those serial breeders, those ignorant to obesity and binge drinkers who think its ok but to need liver treatment in years to come. If the population age is to increase but lifestyle choices to decrease then we have a problem of keeping those people alive to a huge cost to the NHS - its not going to work. Floppy backed
  • Score: 3

10:21pm Sun 30 Mar 14

allanrees1980 says...

Its patient flow which is the problem. people being admitted and discharged. Also an ageing population will make matters worse. Preventing admission is also key. Yes obesity and binge drinkers a costly, but a minor part of the overall cost.

The problem is the health and social care partnership. Its extremely technical and there's whole books written on it. I'd recommend:

http://www.amazon.co
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As a good starting point.
Its patient flow which is the problem. people being admitted and discharged. Also an ageing population will make matters worse. Preventing admission is also key. Yes obesity and binge drinkers a costly, but a minor part of the overall cost. The problem is the health and social care partnership. Its extremely technical and there's whole books written on it. I'd recommend: http://www.amazon.co .uk/Social-Policy-We lfare-Practice-Devol ved/dp/1861780796/re f=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid =1396214121&sr=8-1&k eywords=Social+Polic y+for+Social+Welfare +Practice+in+a+Devol ved+Wales+2nd+Editio n As a good starting point. allanrees1980
  • Score: 1

10:23pm Sun 30 Mar 14

allanrees1980 says...

allanrees1980 wrote:
Its patient flow which is the problem. people being admitted and discharged. Also an ageing population will make matters worse. Preventing admission is also key. Yes obesity and binge drinkers a costly, but a minor part of the overall cost.

The problem is the health and social care partnership. Its extremely technical and there's whole books written on it. I'd recommend:

http://www.amazon.co

.uk/Social-Policy-We

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ved/dp/1861780796/re

f=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp
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As a good starting point.
That's Social Policy Welfare Practice for a Devolved Wales - Charlotte Wlliams
[quote][p][bold]allanrees1980[/bold] wrote: Its patient flow which is the problem. people being admitted and discharged. Also an ageing population will make matters worse. Preventing admission is also key. Yes obesity and binge drinkers a costly, but a minor part of the overall cost. The problem is the health and social care partnership. Its extremely technical and there's whole books written on it. I'd recommend: http://www.amazon.co .uk/Social-Policy-We lfare-Practice-Devol ved/dp/1861780796/re f=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8& ;qid =1396214121&sr=8 -1&k eywords=Social+Polic y+for+Social+Welfare +Practice+in+a+Devol ved+Wales+2nd+Editio n As a good starting point.[/p][/quote]That's Social Policy Welfare Practice for a Devolved Wales - Charlotte Wlliams allanrees1980
  • Score: -1

10:25pm Sun 30 Mar 14

The People's Republic of Newp says...

allanrees1980 wrote:
Having worked on the frontline in two hospital discharge teams, the problems with the NHS is the interface between the NHS and Social Services. The NHS is Welsh Government led, social services are local authority led. Yes there are good examples of joint working such as the Frailty Project, however you are still trying to blend water with oil. The problem also lies is that there are so many social services departments and so little health boards/trusts which makes communication and logistics very difficult. I wouldn't recommend merging health and social care as they do do each other justice by keeping each other in check, google medical v's social models of care. So we need to look at how we can make this partnership work better, we need a more robust social care system that will get people out of hospital quick and also prevent them going in. The budgets they share should be pooled. However, asking a health board to interface with at least two local authorities that run themselves differently is a false economy. It's like getting a St Bernard (a very big NHS) to mate with a few jack Russell's (in comparison a small local authority).
Absolutely spot on. A recalibration of local authorities - preferably a reduction to 7, with boundaries identical to the existing Local Health Boards - could work wonders.
[quote][p][bold]allanrees1980[/bold] wrote: Having worked on the frontline in two hospital discharge teams, the problems with the NHS is the interface between the NHS and Social Services. The NHS is Welsh Government led, social services are local authority led. Yes there are good examples of joint working such as the Frailty Project, however you are still trying to blend water with oil. The problem also lies is that there are so many social services departments and so little health boards/trusts which makes communication and logistics very difficult. I wouldn't recommend merging health and social care as they do do each other justice by keeping each other in check, google medical v's social models of care. So we need to look at how we can make this partnership work better, we need a more robust social care system that will get people out of hospital quick and also prevent them going in. The budgets they share should be pooled. However, asking a health board to interface with at least two local authorities that run themselves differently is a false economy. It's like getting a St Bernard (a very big NHS) to mate with a few jack Russell's (in comparison a small local authority).[/p][/quote]Absolutely spot on. A recalibration of local authorities - preferably a reduction to 7, with boundaries identical to the existing Local Health Boards - could work wonders. The People's Republic of Newp
  • Score: 0

11:14pm Sun 30 Mar 14

gingertom says...

People are waiting too long carwyn because you have no system to stop greedy consultants making the lists longer. Certain Orthopaedic consultants are making millions every year from forcing nhs patients to go private. They moaned they couldn't get theatre time so st woolos and llandough were provided with a theatre just for orthopaedics. They have got more people going in on day surgery for operations but still the lists grow. Sort it out!
People are waiting too long carwyn because you have no system to stop greedy consultants making the lists longer. Certain Orthopaedic consultants are making millions every year from forcing nhs patients to go private. They moaned they couldn't get theatre time so st woolos and llandough were provided with a theatre just for orthopaedics. They have got more people going in on day surgery for operations but still the lists grow. Sort it out! gingertom
  • Score: 0

8:43am Mon 31 Mar 14

Bobevans says...

The NHS needs radical reform there is no doubt about that and we need to stop charities and politicians interfering, WE have the nonsense of Billions of pounds of revenues being lost to the NHS because we have no proper controls to stop foreign tourist from using it for free. We have doctors who even against charging them yet these very same doctors will make sure their private patients can pay. We have millions of people who simply do not turn up for appointments yet nothing is done, Charge people £20 for not turning up and the numbers missing appointments will plummet, Charge drunks £50 for treatment, Bring social services into the NHS,
Bring in a proper procurement system for the NHS run by supply chain professionals. Millions can be saved there. GP prescription can be provided by the NHS rather than chemists
The NHS needs radical reform there is no doubt about that and we need to stop charities and politicians interfering, WE have the nonsense of Billions of pounds of revenues being lost to the NHS because we have no proper controls to stop foreign tourist from using it for free. We have doctors who even against charging them yet these very same doctors will make sure their private patients can pay. We have millions of people who simply do not turn up for appointments yet nothing is done, Charge people £20 for not turning up and the numbers missing appointments will plummet, Charge drunks £50 for treatment, Bring social services into the NHS, Bring in a proper procurement system for the NHS run by supply chain professionals. Millions can be saved there. GP prescription can be provided by the NHS rather than chemists Bobevans
  • Score: 6

8:53am Mon 31 Mar 14

Dai Rear says...

Brilliant concept in 1948, but so was the Morris Minor. However many bits you bolt on a Morris Minor it ain't gonna be Car of the Year 2014
Brilliant concept in 1948, but so was the Morris Minor. However many bits you bolt on a Morris Minor it ain't gonna be Car of the Year 2014 Dai Rear
  • Score: 4

3:12pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Dipole says...

The problem is a) the Labour WAG are cutting NHS funding to use on their vanity projects ie Cardiff Airports
B at the same time as encouraging as many people to use frontline services when they could go to a chemist or their Gp and then when A/E and the ambulance service are stretched to breaking point they trot out how they value the staff and service and this is a rare occurrence ,which those who work in these areas know is a lie . They then carry on doing the same regardless and the reason for this is ,to take an idea from an earlier poster , you could put a red rosette on a traffic cone and it would get elected
There needs to be more staff and less management but at the moment the solution is to appoint another manager whilst cutting staff.
The problem is a) the Labour WAG are cutting NHS funding to use on their vanity projects ie Cardiff Airports B at the same time as encouraging as many people to use frontline services when they could go to a chemist or their Gp and then when A/E and the ambulance service are stretched to breaking point they trot out how they value the staff and service and this is a rare occurrence ,which those who work in these areas know is a lie . They then carry on doing the same regardless and the reason for this is ,to take an idea from an earlier poster , you could put a red rosette on a traffic cone and it would get elected There needs to be more staff and less management but at the moment the solution is to appoint another manager whilst cutting staff. Dipole
  • Score: 2

8:40am Wed 2 Apr 14

scraptheWAG says...

Bobevans wrote:
The NHS needs radical reform there is no doubt about that and we need to stop charities and politicians interfering, WE have the nonsense of Billions of pounds of revenues being lost to the NHS because we have no proper controls to stop foreign tourist from using it for free. We have doctors who even against charging them yet these very same doctors will make sure their private patients can pay. We have millions of people who simply do not turn up for appointments yet nothing is done, Charge people £20 for not turning up and the numbers missing appointments will plummet, Charge drunks £50 for treatment, Bring social services into the NHS,
Bring in a proper procurement system for the NHS run by supply chain professionals. Millions can be saved there. GP prescription can be provided by the NHS rather than chemists
you will always get the socialist lefties claiming that the person turning up drunk having spent 100 quid on booze might not be able to afford the charges.

Stop the free prescription nonsense hundreds of people going to the doctor because they don't want to pay for a pain killer
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: The NHS needs radical reform there is no doubt about that and we need to stop charities and politicians interfering, WE have the nonsense of Billions of pounds of revenues being lost to the NHS because we have no proper controls to stop foreign tourist from using it for free. We have doctors who even against charging them yet these very same doctors will make sure their private patients can pay. We have millions of people who simply do not turn up for appointments yet nothing is done, Charge people £20 for not turning up and the numbers missing appointments will plummet, Charge drunks £50 for treatment, Bring social services into the NHS, Bring in a proper procurement system for the NHS run by supply chain professionals. Millions can be saved there. GP prescription can be provided by the NHS rather than chemists[/p][/quote]you will always get the socialist lefties claiming that the person turning up drunk having spent 100 quid on booze might not be able to afford the charges. Stop the free prescription nonsense hundreds of people going to the doctor because they don't want to pay for a pain killer scraptheWAG
  • Score: 1

5:59pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Independentvoter says...

Too many people are putting politics before patients health in the NHS and that includes some frontline workers too ! Its got to stop and made illegal !
Too many people are putting politics before patients health in the NHS and that includes some frontline workers too ! Its got to stop and made illegal ! Independentvoter
  • Score: 4

6:02pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Independentvoter says...

scraptheWAG wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
The NHS needs radical reform there is no doubt about that and we need to stop charities and politicians interfering, WE have the nonsense of Billions of pounds of revenues being lost to the NHS because we have no proper controls to stop foreign tourist from using it for free. We have doctors who even against charging them yet these very same doctors will make sure their private patients can pay. We have millions of people who simply do not turn up for appointments yet nothing is done, Charge people £20 for not turning up and the numbers missing appointments will plummet, Charge drunks £50 for treatment, Bring social services into the NHS,
Bring in a proper procurement system for the NHS run by supply chain professionals. Millions can be saved there. GP prescription can be provided by the NHS rather than chemists
you will always get the socialist lefties claiming that the person turning up drunk having spent 100 quid on booze might not be able to afford the charges.

Stop the free prescription nonsense hundreds of people going to the doctor because they don't want to pay for a pain killer
Sorry but their are hundreds of clerical errors made by the NHS everyday with wrong appointments being sent out to patients especially to wrong address'.
[quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: The NHS needs radical reform there is no doubt about that and we need to stop charities and politicians interfering, WE have the nonsense of Billions of pounds of revenues being lost to the NHS because we have no proper controls to stop foreign tourist from using it for free. We have doctors who even against charging them yet these very same doctors will make sure their private patients can pay. We have millions of people who simply do not turn up for appointments yet nothing is done, Charge people £20 for not turning up and the numbers missing appointments will plummet, Charge drunks £50 for treatment, Bring social services into the NHS, Bring in a proper procurement system for the NHS run by supply chain professionals. Millions can be saved there. GP prescription can be provided by the NHS rather than chemists[/p][/quote]you will always get the socialist lefties claiming that the person turning up drunk having spent 100 quid on booze might not be able to afford the charges. Stop the free prescription nonsense hundreds of people going to the doctor because they don't want to pay for a pain killer[/p][/quote]Sorry but their are hundreds of clerical errors made by the NHS everyday with wrong appointments being sent out to patients especially to wrong address'. Independentvoter
  • Score: 0

11:51pm Wed 2 Apr 14

The People's Republic of Newp says...

welshmen wrote:
So would a £billion off the Foreign Aid Budget LMA, solve our NHS in the short term, then get tough on the "managers" sack a few, train our own Doctors and Nurses, we have enough on the dole to train, make foreign health tourists have insurance the same as us when we are abroad, all it takes is us the people to change things for the best, vote for the party that put British first all the time NOT last as now....
£1bn off the foreign aid budget. I presume you have the facts and precise calculations which helped you shape your thniking...
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: So would a £billion off the Foreign Aid Budget LMA, solve our NHS in the short term, then get tough on the "managers" sack a few, train our own Doctors and Nurses, we have enough on the dole to train, make foreign health tourists have insurance the same as us when we are abroad, all it takes is us the people to change things for the best, vote for the party that put British first all the time NOT last as now....[/p][/quote]£1bn off the foreign aid budget. I presume you have the facts and precise calculations which helped you shape your thniking... The People's Republic of Newp
  • Score: -2

7:21am Thu 3 Apr 14

Dai Rear says...

"£1bn off the foreign aid budget. I presume you have the facts and precise calculations which helped you shape your thniking..."
Yep, North of £8000,000,000 buying Mercedes Benzes and palaces for foreign dictators is a self indulgence for a country which would struggle to send ONE BRIGADE to the Baltic, within a month if Putin, decided to "rescue" the ethnic Russians planted by Stalin in Latvia , Lithuania and Estonia, isn't it? So, my "thniking" would be to "repatriate" the bloomin' lot, reduce our lunatic levels of taxation and train a lot more male doctors in Wales.
"£1bn off the foreign aid budget. I presume you have the facts and precise calculations which helped you shape your thniking..." Yep, North of £8000,000,000 buying Mercedes Benzes and palaces for foreign dictators is a self indulgence for a country which would struggle to send ONE BRIGADE to the Baltic, within a month if Putin, decided to "rescue" the ethnic Russians planted by Stalin in Latvia , Lithuania and Estonia, isn't it? So, my "thniking" would be to "repatriate" the bloomin' lot, reduce our lunatic levels of taxation and train a lot more male doctors in Wales. Dai Rear
  • Score: 3

9:52am Thu 3 Apr 14

county mad says...

What about some transparency on mortality rates? Mr bean chunters on with platitudes and repeats the same scare stories and lies, was it Stalin who said if you repeat a lie often enough people will believe it. English waiting lists down Welsh ones..... English ops and hospital appts times slashed Welsh ones... I see a pattern here
What about some transparency on mortality rates? Mr bean chunters on with platitudes and repeats the same scare stories and lies, was it Stalin who said if you repeat a lie often enough people will believe it. English waiting lists down Welsh ones..... English ops and hospital appts times slashed Welsh ones... I see a pattern here county mad
  • Score: 0

3:54pm Thu 3 Apr 14

Dipole says...

Independentvoter wrote:
Too many people are putting politics before patients health in the NHS and that includes some frontline workers too ! Its got to stop and made illegal !
I would like to know what frontline workers put politics before patients. All staff want to do is provide the best service they can. What should be made illegal is using frontline services to bypass GP surgeries because "my Dr says there is nothing wrong with me" or calling an ambulance and the first words out of the patients mouth is I'm not going anywhere I just want you to check me out. The staff in the Nhs aren't playing politics they just want fair treatment
Instead of being blamed all the time
[quote][p][bold]Independentvoter[/bold] wrote: Too many people are putting politics before patients health in the NHS and that includes some frontline workers too ! Its got to stop and made illegal ![/p][/quote]I would like to know what frontline workers put politics before patients. All staff want to do is provide the best service they can. What should be made illegal is using frontline services to bypass GP surgeries because "my Dr says there is nothing wrong with me" or calling an ambulance and the first words out of the patients mouth is I'm not going anywhere I just want you to check me out. The staff in the Nhs aren't playing politics they just want fair treatment Instead of being blamed all the time Dipole
  • Score: 0

11:09am Fri 4 Apr 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
So Carwyn denies anything is wrong and Mr Bean thinks differently. Line yourselves up guys.
But I guarantee there won't be any competition when it comes to the General Election.
The Newport sheep will still vote in the geriatric Flynn with a massive majority as usual.
That's what we do best in Wales, stay loyal to the same old philosophy and deny any responsibility for our actions.
I blame Margaret Thatcher for the problems we are experiencing in the devolved Health Service in Wales.
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: So Carwyn denies anything is wrong and Mr Bean thinks differently. Line yourselves up guys.[/p][/quote]But I guarantee there won't be any competition when it comes to the General Election. The Newport sheep will still vote in the geriatric Flynn with a massive majority as usual. That's what we do best in Wales, stay loyal to the same old philosophy and deny any responsibility for our actions. I blame Margaret Thatcher for the problems we are experiencing in the devolved Health Service in Wales. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: 2

4:08pm Fri 4 Apr 14

Dai Rear says...

Cymru Am Beth wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
So Carwyn denies anything is wrong and Mr Bean thinks differently. Line yourselves up guys.
But I guarantee there won't be any competition when it comes to the General Election.
The Newport sheep will still vote in the geriatric Flynn with a massive majority as usual.
That's what we do best in Wales, stay loyal to the same old philosophy and deny any responsibility for our actions.
I blame Margaret Thatcher for the problems we are experiencing in the devolved Health Service in Wales.
Indeed PLUS she let the Normans invade us.
[quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: So Carwyn denies anything is wrong and Mr Bean thinks differently. Line yourselves up guys.[/p][/quote]But I guarantee there won't be any competition when it comes to the General Election. The Newport sheep will still vote in the geriatric Flynn with a massive majority as usual. That's what we do best in Wales, stay loyal to the same old philosophy and deny any responsibility for our actions. I blame Margaret Thatcher for the problems we are experiencing in the devolved Health Service in Wales.[/p][/quote]Indeed PLUS she let the Normans invade us. Dai Rear
  • Score: 4

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