Torfaen Welsh education moves applauded

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PARENTS applauded as Torfaen council’s cabinet made arrangements for Welsh primary school places.

Torfaen council gave approval to make temporary arrangements for Ysgol Panteg, Ysgol Gymraeg Cwmbran and Ysgol Bryn Onnen for September 2014 and September 2015 to ensure that the council can meet its statutory duty to provide Welsh Medium primary age education.

The cabinet were informed that the demand for places in Welsh Medium primary schools for 2014 exceeds the number of places currently available.

Also the delivery of a replacement school for Ysgol Panteg on the Avesta site, at the former Panteg Steelworks, has been delayed until September 2016.

Temporary arrangements at Ysgol Panteg, Ysgol Gymraeg Cwmbran and Ysgol Bryn Onnen for 2014 and 2015 will ensure sufficient places are available.

Ysgol Panteg was established as a Welsh medium Primary School in Griffithstown in September 2010, to provided a short to medium term solution to growing demand.

The council submitted an outline business case to Welsh Government in April 2013 to build a new 420 place Welsh Medium primary school on the Avesta site to replace the current Ysgol Panteg to meet demand.

The school was planned to open from September 2015, but the delay in getting approval from Welsh Government means that it is a year behind.

The current Ysgol Panteg site is close to its capacity of 179 places and additional space will be required for September 2014.

Following yesterday's cabinet decision, the arrangements for September 2014 are Ysgol Panteg to use its current site along with using Kemys Fawr Infant School, which is closing this year, for reception, year one and year two.

Ysgol Gymraeg Cwmbran will use a double demountable to allow admission of 64 children, and Ysgol Bryn Onnen will accommodate 34 children.

Overall these arrangements will cost £300,000 from the 21st Century Schools Programme.

Cabinet member for Torfaen for children and young people, Cllr Brian Mawby, said: “The only option I see fit is the one to use Kemys Fawr School.

“No doubt some members of the community will see conspiracy in this but it was not planned.”

After the cabinet agreed the recommendations, the parents in the public gallery, mainly from Ysgol Panteg, applauded.

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8:15am Wed 2 Apr 14

Sometimes says...

They can't add up, They can't spell, They have no idea what Physics, Chemistry or Engineering is about, but they know how to fill in their dole signing on forms in Welsh.
They can't add up, They can't spell, They have no idea what Physics, Chemistry or Engineering is about, but they know how to fill in their dole signing on forms in Welsh. Sometimes
  • Score: -10

8:20am Wed 2 Apr 14

varteg1 says...

Ysgol Bryn Onnen to get even moire pupils, which of course means even more vehicles polluting the air in Varteg., and these selfish parents who complained about the potential opencast,. using fumes and dust as the excuse, seem to be oblivious of the fact all the pollution their cars buses and vans bring into Varteg will surpass the possible CONTROLLED pollution that may emanate from the site of coal operations.

I suggest if the Council are so set on a Ysgol Gymraeg, they take the Bryn Onnen unit to somewhere that will be more readily accessed by a less greater number instead of having to have their pupils driven in from all over the place.
We in Varteg were not asked did we want this unit, it was deemed a superfluous unit and a new one built to replace it, IT was then given to the Cymraeg lot, without any recourse to the residents of this area, in other words it was dumped on us, along with the ever increasing pollution it generates from vehicular movements.
Ysgol Bryn Onnen to get even moire pupils, which of course means even more vehicles polluting the air in Varteg., and these selfish parents who complained about the potential opencast,. using fumes and dust as the excuse, seem to be oblivious of the fact all the pollution their cars buses and vans bring into Varteg will surpass the possible CONTROLLED pollution that may emanate from the site of coal operations. I suggest if the Council are so set on a Ysgol Gymraeg, they take the Bryn Onnen unit to somewhere that will be more readily accessed by a less greater number instead of having to have their pupils driven in from all over the place. We in Varteg were not asked did we want this unit, it was deemed a superfluous unit and a new one built to replace it, IT was then given to the Cymraeg lot, without any recourse to the residents of this area, in other words it was dumped on us, along with the ever increasing pollution it generates from vehicular movements. varteg1
  • Score: -3

8:56am Wed 2 Apr 14

BUDDAH WELSH says...

Not everybodies views John only yours, and for your information most vehicles are controlled to what emissions they let into the atmosphere. And vehicles are greener and safer than an any opencast mining operation. So stop being the moron and crawl back under your rock please.
Not everybodies views John only yours, and for your information most vehicles are controlled to what emissions they let into the atmosphere. And vehicles are greener and safer than an any opencast mining operation. So stop being the moron and crawl back under your rock please. BUDDAH WELSH
  • Score: 4

10:06am Wed 2 Apr 14

Llanmartinangel says...

Sometimes wrote:
They can't add up, They can't spell, They have no idea what Physics, Chemistry or Engineering is about, but they know how to fill in their dole signing on forms in Welsh.
Welcome to the REAL Welsh education.
[quote][p][bold]Sometimes[/bold] wrote: They can't add up, They can't spell, They have no idea what Physics, Chemistry or Engineering is about, but they know how to fill in their dole signing on forms in Welsh.[/p][/quote]Welcome to the REAL Welsh education. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: -2

10:13am Wed 2 Apr 14

varteg1 says...

BUDDAH WELSH wrote:
Not everybodies views John only yours, and for your information most vehicles are controlled to what emissions they let into the atmosphere. And vehicles are greener and safer than an any opencast mining operation. So stop being the moron and crawl back under your rock please.
With that erudite piece I am minded to think the moron is yourself, or do commercial vehicles not also have to be mindful of their emissions?

The road dust (uncontrolled and uncontrollable) and whatever vehicular emissions, raised by all the cars and buses attending the school for five days a week, forty weeks per year, will by far exceed whatever will emanate from the site of coal operations, all of which will be CONTROLLED according to environmental requirements, regulated and under constant supervision by inspection, the noise levels dust and atmospheric will be under constant measurement with detection units strategically placed at site, residence and school locations.
None of such is currently in place to monitor what all this traffic is generating,

The cries from the parents and staff at the school are accompanied by crocodile tears,

And the decision by the minister to stamp down on the findings of the Inspector not only perverse but in light of his decision to allow the race track in B Gwent, to proceed, hypocritical after his decision over the Varteg proposal.

Unlike you,I submit sound and scientifically based argument, whereas all you and the rest of the objectors, at least those who bothered to turn up to the inquiry, (were you there...thought not, moron yourself) few of them indeed in fact, can do is throw insults and scurrilous rhetoric at me.

In light of current developments, I suggest the scheme will proceed, and sooner than you may think.

Then who will be forced to crawl back under their stone.

As for 'greener than opencast', it is obvious you have no comprehension of how clean and environmentally safe current opencast operations are.

Not to forget that it was not the opencast per se that ca\used Sargent to turn the approval down, but rather minor matters over the funding of the restoration works.

Better you do some research into the matter than mouthing off whilst blind, deaf to logic and ignorant of the subject matter.
[quote][p][bold]BUDDAH WELSH[/bold] wrote: Not everybodies views John only yours, and for your information most vehicles are controlled to what emissions they let into the atmosphere. And vehicles are greener and safer than an any opencast mining operation. So stop being the moron and crawl back under your rock please.[/p][/quote]With that erudite piece I am minded to think the moron is yourself, or do commercial vehicles not also have to be mindful of their emissions? The road dust (uncontrolled and uncontrollable) and whatever vehicular emissions, raised by all the cars and buses attending the school for five days a week, forty weeks per year, will by far exceed whatever will emanate from the site of coal operations, all of which will be CONTROLLED according to environmental requirements, regulated and under constant supervision by inspection, the noise levels dust and atmospheric will be under constant measurement with detection units strategically placed at site, residence and school locations. None of such is currently in place to monitor what all this traffic is generating, The cries from the parents and staff at the school are accompanied by crocodile tears, And the decision by the minister to stamp down on the findings of the Inspector not only perverse but in light of his decision to allow the race track in B Gwent, to proceed, hypocritical after his decision over the Varteg proposal. Unlike you,I submit sound and scientifically based argument, whereas all you and the rest of the objectors, at least those who bothered to turn up to the inquiry, (were you there...thought not, moron yourself) few of them indeed in fact, can do is throw insults and scurrilous rhetoric at me. In light of current developments, I suggest the scheme will proceed, and sooner than you may think. Then who will be forced to crawl back under their stone. As for 'greener than opencast', it is obvious you have no comprehension of how clean and environmentally safe current opencast operations are. Not to forget that it was not the opencast per se that ca\used Sargent to turn the approval down, but rather minor matters over the funding of the restoration works. Better you do some research into the matter than mouthing off whilst blind, deaf to logic and ignorant of the subject matter. varteg1
  • Score: -9

1:04pm Fri 4 Apr 14

Mwy Eira says...

Sometimes wrote:
They can't add up, They can't spell, They have no idea what Physics, Chemistry or Engineering is about, but they know how to fill in their dole signing on forms in Welsh.
And of course Pythagoras and Einstein were first language English speakers and you can't possibly teach these subjects in any language other than English. Sheesh. You can teach these subjects in any language. Look at the Russians, Germans, Japanese and Chinese. They seem to be doing perfectly fine. A multiplication sign the last time I looked was exactly the same in English and Welsh. Most scientific language has its roots in Greek,Latin and French for example and are not even English words. Science is the same the world over whatever language you speak. Typical anti-Welsh propaganda being peddled as always on this site.
[quote][p][bold]Sometimes[/bold] wrote: They can't add up, They can't spell, They have no idea what Physics, Chemistry or Engineering is about, but they know how to fill in their dole signing on forms in Welsh.[/p][/quote]And of course Pythagoras and Einstein were first language English speakers and you can't possibly teach these subjects in any language other than English. Sheesh. You can teach these subjects in any language. Look at the Russians, Germans, Japanese and Chinese. They seem to be doing perfectly fine. A multiplication sign the last time I looked was exactly the same in English and Welsh. Most scientific language has its roots in Greek,Latin and French for example and are not even English words. Science is the same the world over whatever language you speak. Typical anti-Welsh propaganda being peddled as always on this site. Mwy Eira
  • Score: 4

3:52pm Fri 4 Apr 14

Michael Weedall says...

Mwy Eira wrote:
Sometimes wrote: They can't add up, They can't spell, They have no idea what Physics, Chemistry or Engineering is about, but they know how to fill in their dole signing on forms in Welsh.
And of course Pythagoras and Einstein were first language English speakers and you can't possibly teach these subjects in any language other than English. Sheesh. You can teach these subjects in any language. Look at the Russians, Germans, Japanese and Chinese. They seem to be doing perfectly fine. A multiplication sign the last time I looked was exactly the same in English and Welsh. Most scientific language has its roots in Greek,Latin and French for example and are not even English words. Science is the same the world over whatever language you speak. Typical anti-Welsh propaganda being peddled as always on this site.
Nice to a comment on this site about Welsh that is not anti-Welsh. I don't understand some of the comments or why some people view the language with such hatred. I know that Welsh language may not be of use outside Wales or children might not use it their careers, but the fact of being bilingual is a good start in life and will help with other languages in future. There's also evidence that children in Welsh Medium Education do well at other languages I.E French, Spanish, German so I think that society has a right to choose their language and The South Wales Argus should stop this anti-Welsh propaganda being published.
[quote][p][bold]Mwy Eira[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sometimes[/bold] wrote: They can't add up, They can't spell, They have no idea what Physics, Chemistry or Engineering is about, but they know how to fill in their dole signing on forms in Welsh.[/p][/quote]And of course Pythagoras and Einstein were first language English speakers and you can't possibly teach these subjects in any language other than English. Sheesh. You can teach these subjects in any language. Look at the Russians, Germans, Japanese and Chinese. They seem to be doing perfectly fine. A multiplication sign the last time I looked was exactly the same in English and Welsh. Most scientific language has its roots in Greek,Latin and French for example and are not even English words. Science is the same the world over whatever language you speak. Typical anti-Welsh propaganda being peddled as always on this site.[/p][/quote]Nice to a comment on this site about Welsh that is not anti-Welsh. I don't understand some of the comments or why some people view the language with such hatred. I know that Welsh language may not be of use outside Wales or children might not use it their careers, but the fact of being bilingual is a good start in life and will help with other languages in future. There's also evidence that children in Welsh Medium Education do well at other languages I.E French, Spanish, German so I think that society has a right to choose their language and The South Wales Argus should stop this anti-Welsh propaganda being published. Michael Weedall
  • Score: 2

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