EDITOR'S CHAIR: The inhuman racists who defiled Nida's memory

South Wales Argus: EDITOR'S CHAIR: The inhuman racists who defiled Nida's memory EDITOR'S CHAIR: The inhuman racists who defiled Nida's memory

THE saddest story of the last week was the discovery of Nida Naseer's body.

Regular readers will know teenager Nida disappeared from her home in Newport on December 28. She had apparently gone to put out the bins but was never seen again.

Her body was discovered a week ago today at the Newport Wetlands.

Police have confirmed they are not looking for anyone in connection with Nida's death.

The loss of the 19-year-old is a tragedy, the reasons for which we will know more about as the inquest which opened briefly yesterday progresses.

My thoughts and prayers remain with Nida's heartbroken family.

I have very different thoughts towards a few racist morons who used the Argus website to defile Nida's memory in the days following the discovery of her body.

Many people wanted to leave tributes to Nida on our website.

Unfortunately - and this makes me both angry and ashamed - we had to close comments on all stories relating to Nida on our website because of the inhumanity of a few posters.

These people cared nothing for Nida. Their only interest was to use the failed asylum seeker status of her family to make outrageous claims that fitted their own twisted view of the world.

They made sickening, unfounded claims about her family. They made outrageous allegations about the circumstances of Nida's death.

Each of these posters - there were only four of them - were banned from our website.

But I could not risk others using our site to spew out their filth, so I took the decision to close all comments on the articles.

The awful nature of some of the comments posted made me incredibly angry.

But I also felt ashamed that we had to deny the vast majority of decent Argus readers the opportunity to express their sympathies. I felt - and still feel - as if doing so in some way handed a victory to the racists.

Our society is in a sad state when newspapers like the Argus fear allowing people to leave comments on tragic stories.

What kind of country do we live in when that fear becomes greater than the desire to allow good people to have their say.

The people who posted their racism on our website are nasty little individuals. They are bullies who are driven by spite, brutality and a lack of basic intelligence.

And they are cowards.

Like many who use the internet to spit out their hateful views, they hide behind pseudonyms and false email accounts. They are not brave enough to defend themselves using their own names. And the second they are challenged they run away with their tails between their legs.

They are the kind of people who are worthy of nothing but contempt. I detest them.

Some will criticise us and other newspapers for allowing people to post comments using pseudonyms. I understand the point and I don't necessarily disagree with it.

I still think there are arguments in favour of anonymity, particularly when people are using the internet as whistleblowers.

But the time may be fast approaching when we insist that everyone who posts on our website uses their real name to do so.

I am undecided whether that is the best course of action.

But we have to stop the trolls somehow.

Let me know what you think. You can contact me by email kevin.ward@southwalesargus.co.uk, telephone on 01633 777201, Twitter @arguskevinward or by leaving a comment here.

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10:25am Thu 3 Apr 14

Mike Roland says...

I was also outraged and saddened by the disgusting comments you mention. Great news that you have banned those responsible from using the platform. I don't regard this response as being a victory for the trolls because racism isn't just an opinion, it's a crime. Thankyou!!
I was also outraged and saddened by the disgusting comments you mention. Great news that you have banned those responsible from using the platform. I don't regard this response as being a victory for the trolls because racism isn't just an opinion, it's a crime. Thankyou!! Mike Roland
  • Score: 55

10:35am Thu 3 Apr 14

On the inside says...

I would be happy to have my full name and the area I live in published. I would also be happy to have that information verified before being allowed access. But this can ONLY happen when anonymity is banned for all those who both post here and write to the letters page.
I would be happy to have my full name and the area I live in published. I would also be happy to have that information verified before being allowed access. But this can ONLY happen when anonymity is banned for all those who both post here and write to the letters page. On the inside
  • Score: 16

11:12am Thu 3 Apr 14

Woolybug says...

Nida was a good friend to my Daughter and is devastated that she has passed away at such a young age. Nida had many good friends who are all experiencing a sense of loss, along with the Naseer family. She may of been a failed asylum seeker but, she was a bright, intelligent and articulate young woman who has tragically died, people need to remember that. Those who have posted hateful comments obviously never knew her and they ought to be ashamed of themselves, for being so shallow and callous in the event of such a tragedy. R.I.P Nida, you are at peace now. Sincerest condolences are with the Naaeer family and all those who had the privilege of knowing Nida. I can personally say through my Daughter, you will never be forgotten x
Nida was a good friend to my Daughter and is devastated that she has passed away at such a young age. Nida had many good friends who are all experiencing a sense of loss, along with the Naseer family. She may of been a failed asylum seeker but, she was a bright, intelligent and articulate young woman who has tragically died, people need to remember that. Those who have posted hateful comments obviously never knew her and they ought to be ashamed of themselves, for being so shallow and callous in the event of such a tragedy. R.I.P Nida, you are at peace now. Sincerest condolences are with the Naaeer family and all those who had the privilege of knowing Nida. I can personally say through my Daughter, you will never be forgotten x Woolybug
  • Score: 49

11:28am Thu 3 Apr 14

sooty001 says...

I use this site to post comments on many different subjects, and while not everyone agrees with me I am allowed my free speech on here. Those people that posted those disgusting comments on this site do no deserve the right to free speech, there are ways of expressing your opposition to anything without using such racist and disgusting comments. On this occasion I fully agree with the Argus on this one, and hope that the few do not spoil things for the many.
I use this site to post comments on many different subjects, and while not everyone agrees with me I am allowed my free speech on here. Those people that posted those disgusting comments on this site do no deserve the right to free speech, there are ways of expressing your opposition to anything without using such racist and disgusting comments. On this occasion I fully agree with the Argus on this one, and hope that the few do not spoil things for the many. sooty001
  • Score: 19

11:35am Thu 3 Apr 14

Gareth says...

Kevin, is there any chance that you would consider naming the posters; by their pseudonym, of course?

There are so many people who use the "I'm not a racist, but.." argument on this site, and some of their straw man arguments can look convincing on the surface.

Naming this pond life might actually open the eyes of some people who are not themselves inherently racist, but were hoodwinked into agreeing with their arguments.
Kevin, is there any chance that you would consider naming the posters; by their pseudonym, of course? There are so many people who use the "I'm not a racist, but.." argument on this site, and some of their straw man arguments can look convincing on the surface. Naming this pond life might actually open the eyes of some people who are not themselves inherently racist, but were hoodwinked into agreeing with their arguments. Gareth
  • Score: 25

11:38am Thu 3 Apr 14

Adam_smith1983 says...

Well said, at this sad time..
Well said, at this sad time.. Adam_smith1983
  • Score: 14

12:10pm Thu 3 Apr 14

throwy1 says...

I must have missed this what comments were made?
I must have missed this what comments were made? throwy1
  • Score: -15

12:16pm Thu 3 Apr 14

Melvyn The Milk says...

Lost for words. Our country is not the best in the world for no reason. A brief spell in any number of countries for these despicable people is exactly what they deserve. They can just be grateful that they have the freedom to spill their bile here just as I am grateful we have people like Kevin to stand up for victims.
Lost for words. Our country is not the best in the world for no reason. A brief spell in any number of countries for these despicable people is exactly what they deserve. They can just be grateful that they have the freedom to spill their bile here just as I am grateful we have people like Kevin to stand up for victims. Melvyn The Milk
  • Score: 11

12:25pm Thu 3 Apr 14

Banjalucka says...

Yes agree if its nasty horrible stuff, but what exactly has been said which is so objectionable? Some examples please!!
Yes agree if its nasty horrible stuff, but what exactly has been said which is so objectionable? Some examples please!! Banjalucka
  • Score: -12

12:45pm Thu 3 Apr 14

VoiceOfInsanity says...

Gareth wrote:
Kevin, is there any chance that you would consider naming the posters; by their pseudonym, of course?

There are so many people who use the "I'm not a racist, but.." argument on this site, and some of their straw man arguments can look convincing on the surface.

Naming this pond life might actually open the eyes of some people who are not themselves inherently racist, but were hoodwinked into agreeing with their arguments.
Any chance of naming and shaming these idiots Kevin? As said in this post just use the aliases.
[quote][p][bold]Gareth[/bold] wrote: Kevin, is there any chance that you would consider naming the posters; by their pseudonym, of course? There are so many people who use the "I'm not a racist, but.." argument on this site, and some of their straw man arguments can look convincing on the surface. Naming this pond life might actually open the eyes of some people who are not themselves inherently racist, but were hoodwinked into agreeing with their arguments.[/p][/quote]Any chance of naming and shaming these idiots Kevin? As said in this post just use the aliases. VoiceOfInsanity
  • Score: 3

12:58pm Thu 3 Apr 14

Katie Re-Registered says...

Perhaps it's about time that the Argus stated a rule in their comments policy that comments which are (for example) racist, homophobic, sexist, misogynistic, transphobic, anti-semitic, classist and ableist will not be allowed in their comments sections and any such comments will be deleted with the matter being immediately referred to the police if they breach hate crime legislation? I understand the arguments about 'freedom of speech', but maybe the Argus comments policy needs to be more rigorously enforced - particularly when they consitute deliberate attacks and cyberbullying of an individual and/or Argus customer?

I've also noticed transphobic comments being posted in the comments thread, typically using often derogatory names for transpeople such as "tranny", deliberate use of inappropriate gender pronouns in order to cause offence and claims that transwomen and transmen aren't 'real' women and men. I reported such comments to the editor recently but my complaint was ignored and the transphobic comments are still up there.

*Also, whilst I completely agree with the sentiments expressed in the editorial above I'd be careful about using a term like "moron". Historically, this was a cruel and profoundly ignorant and highly offenisve word that was used to describe mentally handicapped people, those with an IQ of 50-70 and those with learning difficulties.

RIP Nida and condolences to your loved ones, friends and family.
Perhaps it's about time that the Argus stated a rule in their comments policy that comments which are (for example) racist, homophobic, sexist, misogynistic, transphobic, anti-semitic, classist and ableist will not be allowed in their comments sections and any such comments will be deleted with the matter being immediately referred to the police if they breach hate crime legislation? I understand the arguments about 'freedom of speech', but maybe the Argus comments policy needs to be more rigorously enforced - particularly when they consitute deliberate attacks and cyberbullying of an individual and/or Argus customer? I've also noticed transphobic comments being posted in the comments thread, typically using often derogatory names for transpeople such as "tranny", deliberate use of inappropriate gender pronouns in order to cause offence and claims that transwomen and transmen aren't 'real' women and men. I reported such comments to the editor recently but my complaint was ignored and the transphobic comments are still up there. *Also, whilst I completely agree with the sentiments expressed in the editorial above I'd be careful about using a term like "moron". Historically, this was a cruel and profoundly ignorant and highly offenisve word that was used to describe mentally handicapped people, those with an IQ of 50-70 and those with learning difficulties. RIP Nida and condolences to your loved ones, friends and family. Katie Re-Registered
  • Score: -1

1:06pm Thu 3 Apr 14

cannicky says...

Yes, I would like to see some examples of these posts too. In what context were they racist? Please forgive me for why I ask, but I have not seen any of the comments. Kevin, I genuinely understand your concerns. But you also use very strong and emotive words, hate, detest and labelling people racists are but a few. I hope, that for an individual, who must have mastered the semantics of words, that you have used the right words that suits the cause.
Yes, I would like to see some examples of these posts too. In what context were they racist? Please forgive me for why I ask, but I have not seen any of the comments. Kevin, I genuinely understand your concerns. But you also use very strong and emotive words, hate, detest and labelling people racists are but a few. I hope, that for an individual, who must have mastered the semantics of words, that you have used the right words that suits the cause. cannicky
  • Score: 5

1:11pm Thu 3 Apr 14

Kevin Ward - Editor says...

Thanks for your comments.
I am not going to post examples of the offensive comments that we removed after complaints from readers - that would rather defeat the object.
Much as I would like to name and shame those responsible, doing so without real names is, sadly, a pointless exercise.
Our site terms are very clear.
We do not moderate comments for legal reasons but we do respond quickly when complaints are received.

Katie - I'm afraid I haven't received any complaints from you about offensive comments. If you wish to report the comments again, we will consider what action needs to be taken.
Thanks for your comments. I am not going to post examples of the offensive comments that we removed after complaints from readers - that would rather defeat the object. Much as I would like to name and shame those responsible, doing so without real names is, sadly, a pointless exercise. Our site terms are very clear. We do not moderate comments for legal reasons but we do respond quickly when complaints are received. Katie - I'm afraid I haven't received any complaints from you about offensive comments. If you wish to report the comments again, we will consider what action needs to be taken. Kevin Ward - Editor
  • Score: 20

1:16pm Thu 3 Apr 14

anigel says...

sooty001 wrote:
I use this site to post comments on many different subjects, and while not everyone agrees with me I am allowed my free speech on here. Those people that posted those disgusting comments on this site do no deserve the right to free speech, there are ways of expressing your opposition to anything without using such racist and disgusting comments. On this occasion I fully agree with the Argus on this one, and hope that the few do not spoil things for the many.
Whilst I in no way condone anything that has been said by anyone, I guess that the term "Free speech" does not mean what you think it means

If we get to the point where the only allowed form of "Free speech" is a that which is approved and allowed by another person then speech is no longer free.

The truth of the matter is that nowadays practically any statement or comment can be deemed to be offensive by someone.
[quote][p][bold]sooty001[/bold] wrote: I use this site to post comments on many different subjects, and while not everyone agrees with me I am allowed my free speech on here. Those people that posted those disgusting comments on this site do no deserve the right to free speech, there are ways of expressing your opposition to anything without using such racist and disgusting comments. On this occasion I fully agree with the Argus on this one, and hope that the few do not spoil things for the many.[/p][/quote]Whilst I in no way condone anything that has been said by anyone, I guess that the term "Free speech" does not mean what you think it means If we get to the point where the only allowed form of "Free speech" is a that which is approved and allowed by another person then speech is no longer free. The truth of the matter is that nowadays practically any statement or comment can be deemed to be offensive by someone. anigel
  • Score: 37

1:27pm Thu 3 Apr 14

Kevin Ward - Editor says...

Cannicky - I can assure you I spent some time choosing my words carefully. I should reiterate the offending comments were removed after complaints from readers. They were extremely offensive and in clear violation of the terms and conditions to which everyone agrees to abide when registering to use our site.
I'm not going to to re-publish them just to prove how offensive they are.

Anigel - we all have freedom of thought. Once those thoughts are published or verbalised, they then become subject to the laws of the land. With rights come responsibilities.
Cannicky - I can assure you I spent some time choosing my words carefully. I should reiterate the offending comments were removed after complaints from readers. They were extremely offensive and in clear violation of the terms and conditions to which everyone agrees to abide when registering to use our site. I'm not going to to re-publish them just to prove how offensive they are. Anigel - we all have freedom of thought. Once those thoughts are published or verbalised, they then become subject to the laws of the land. With rights come responsibilities. Kevin Ward - Editor
  • Score: 18

1:34pm Thu 3 Apr 14

racheychick95 says...

racism and any form of hate speech is unacceptable and I feel for Nidas family. Although not seeing the comments and knowing the indvidual offending comments could have been removed without removing the whole comment section itself, when the editor of a newspaper makes comments like

"They are the kind of people who are worthy of nothing but contempt. I detest them."

I think it should also be noted that cowardly journalists too ruin peoples with false and malicious reporting, and even when this is complained about to the press complaints commission usually get off on underhand tactics by attributing quotes to other people and words like 'rumoured' and claiming it is in the public interest when in many cases it is not, it is invasive, exaggerated, and it is only a spiteful little journalist looking to sensationalise something and put a spin on it in order to further their career and generate column inches which in turn has disasterous effects on peoples lives and families, so I hope you start applying the same rules to your own newspapers reporting in future as NOBODY should suffer discrimination, whether you think you have a god given right to dish it out or not.

rip Nida.
racism and any form of hate speech is unacceptable and I feel for Nidas family. Although not seeing the comments and knowing the indvidual offending comments could have been removed without removing the whole comment section itself, when the editor of a newspaper makes comments like "They are the kind of people who are worthy of nothing but contempt. I detest them." I think it should also be noted that cowardly journalists too ruin peoples with false and malicious reporting, and even when this is complained about to the press complaints commission usually get off on underhand tactics by attributing quotes to other people and words like 'rumoured' and claiming it is in the public interest when in many cases it is not, it is invasive, exaggerated, and it is only a spiteful little journalist looking to sensationalise something and put a spin on it in order to further their career and generate column inches which in turn has disasterous effects on peoples lives and families, so I hope you start applying the same rules to your own newspapers reporting in future as NOBODY should suffer discrimination, whether you think you have a god given right to dish it out or not. rip Nida. racheychick95
  • Score: 22

1:52pm Thu 3 Apr 14

throwy1 says...

Katie Reregistered (12.58). If posts from the examples you gave were to be banned there is every chance free speech or Freedom of Speech would be stifled.
Judging from the tone of the editors posts on this matter I can imagine the content of posts which have been removed. If you were a member of Forums similar to ones that I post on you would see such posts all the time the question is are they justified. There is a huge difference in culture and religion between the Indian subcontinent and this country and because of these differences posts that some may or would find offensive are deemed justifiable.
Katie Reregistered (12.58). If posts from the examples you gave were to be banned there is every chance free speech or Freedom of Speech would be stifled. Judging from the tone of the editors posts on this matter I can imagine the content of posts which have been removed. If you were a member of Forums similar to ones that I post on you would see such posts all the time the question is are they justified. There is a huge difference in culture and religion between the Indian subcontinent and this country and because of these differences posts that some may or would find offensive are deemed justifiable. throwy1
  • Score: 2

4:17pm Thu 3 Apr 14

endthelies says...

I would also be happy to have my name posted. I myself get a little fed up with some of the comments on here but it doesn't stop me posting because I feel that if I did that, the 'nasty' posters would have won. And I can't have that.
I would also be happy to have my name posted. I myself get a little fed up with some of the comments on here but it doesn't stop me posting because I feel that if I did that, the 'nasty' posters would have won. And I can't have that. endthelies
  • Score: 11

4:24pm Thu 3 Apr 14

the3feathers says...

most newspaper moderators would have deleted the comments silently and not said a thing. I think the real issue is whether it should it be considered bad taste for a newspaper editor with delusions of grandeur to hijack another families grief to suit his own emotionally-manipula
tive agenda. very daily mail esque!
most newspaper moderators would have deleted the comments silently and not said a thing. I think the real issue is whether it should it be considered bad taste for a newspaper editor with delusions of grandeur to hijack another families grief to suit his own emotionally-manipula tive agenda. very daily mail esque! the3feathers
  • Score: 7

4:43pm Thu 3 Apr 14

endthelies says...

the3feathers wrote:
most newspaper moderators would have deleted the comments silently and not said a thing. I think the real issue is whether it should it be considered bad taste for a newspaper editor with delusions of grandeur to hijack another families grief to suit his own emotionally-manipula

tive agenda. very daily mail esque!
Why shouldn't those who chose to post horrible comments be named and shamed. Its not the Argus fault that those people chose to write whatever they did, so why should they just quietly delete the comments and pretend like it didn't happen. Blame those who did the deed, not those who have reported it.
[quote][p][bold]the3feathers[/bold] wrote: most newspaper moderators would have deleted the comments silently and not said a thing. I think the real issue is whether it should it be considered bad taste for a newspaper editor with delusions of grandeur to hijack another families grief to suit his own emotionally-manipula tive agenda. very daily mail esque![/p][/quote]Why shouldn't those who chose to post horrible comments be named and shamed. Its not the Argus fault that those people chose to write whatever they did, so why should they just quietly delete the comments and pretend like it didn't happen. Blame those who did the deed, not those who have reported it. endthelies
  • Score: -9

5:14pm Thu 3 Apr 14

Kevin Ward - Editor says...

the3feathers
If you think the 'real issue' are my words and not the vile racism that was posted on this site then I think you have a strange set of values.
For information, friends of the family have contacted us today to thank us for the piece.
Perhaps you could explain how 'delusions of grandeur' fits in to this scenario?
I do not believe deleting comments 'silently' is the way to combat racism. Highlighting it is.
Finally, we do not moderate this site for legal reasons. As I have already stated.
the3feathers If you think the 'real issue' are my words and not the vile racism that was posted on this site then I think you have a strange set of values. For information, friends of the family have contacted us today to thank us for the piece. Perhaps you could explain how 'delusions of grandeur' fits in to this scenario? I do not believe deleting comments 'silently' is the way to combat racism. Highlighting it is. Finally, we do not moderate this site for legal reasons. As I have already stated. Kevin Ward - Editor
  • Score: 6

5:47pm Thu 3 Apr 14

cannicky says...

It is all according what you define as racism. Like I said in an earlier comment, " You are telling the public that racist comments", were added to the site. But we only have your,"word" on that.
Yes I agree, distasteful comments must of been made. But you," state", that all were, " racist remarks".
That is a serious statement to make Kevin! If someone airs their views on, asylum seekers, even in an uneducated and disgusting nature, that still don't make them a racist. To first approach and combat racism, one must understand the word in it's true definition. If not you are just devaluing that word. Please feel free to email me the comments. I promise that I will not share them with another. I want to see how many of these comments were," racist ".
It is all according what you define as racism. Like I said in an earlier comment, " You are telling the public that racist comments", were added to the site. But we only have your,"word" on that. Yes I agree, distasteful comments must of been made. But you," state", that all were, " racist remarks". That is a serious statement to make Kevin! If someone airs their views on, asylum seekers, even in an uneducated and disgusting nature, that still don't make them a racist. To first approach and combat racism, one must understand the word in it's true definition. If not you are just devaluing that word. Please feel free to email me the comments. I promise that I will not share them with another. I want to see how many of these comments were," racist ". cannicky
  • Score: 4

5:57pm Thu 3 Apr 14

cymruamblyth says...

Using real names wouldn't stop trolls as they would use fake names like John or Jane Smith.. Case in point Poster A John Doe and Poster 2 John Doe 2014 Poster 2 is obviously a parody of the original poster..

Banning free email accounts such Hotmail, Yahoo, G Mail etc, and showing IP addresses would be a good step..

I also folly agree with anigel's post.. It seems every thread descends into tit for tat insults.. In recent weeks its escalated with a certain poster has threatened psychical violence against other forum members with violence with impunity..
Using real names wouldn't stop trolls as they would use fake names like John or Jane Smith.. Case in point Poster A John Doe and Poster 2 John Doe 2014 Poster 2 is obviously a parody of the original poster.. Banning free email accounts such Hotmail, Yahoo, G Mail etc, and showing IP addresses would be a good step.. I also folly agree with anigel's post.. It seems every thread descends into tit for tat insults.. In recent weeks its escalated with a certain poster has threatened psychical violence against other forum members with violence with impunity.. cymruamblyth
  • Score: 5

6:01pm Thu 3 Apr 14

cymruamblyth says...

Pressed post too soon should have read "In recent weeks it's escalated with a certain poster using threats of psychical violence against other forum members with impunity.".
Pressed post too soon should have read "In recent weeks it's escalated with a certain poster using threats of psychical violence against other forum members with impunity.". cymruamblyth
  • Score: 2

6:14pm Thu 3 Apr 14

the3feathers says...

well you mention 'trolls' and anybody who has studied psychology or ever had experience of them on the internet, much like the modus operandi in high school massacres and workers 'going postal' its the elevated mass coverage and the promotion of these cowardly actions that actually provides the motive and encourages copycats. these people dont feel powerful until they are validated when their actions are shown to cause a result. so congratulations, by creating a story, making it your 'editors pick of the day' and propelling it to 'most read status' you have fed precisely into their hands when silently starving these attention-seekers of oxygen and ignoring them would have been the best tactic because anybody now has positive confirmation that this type of behaviour 'gets results'.
well you mention 'trolls' and anybody who has studied psychology or ever had experience of them on the internet, much like the modus operandi in high school massacres and workers 'going postal' its the elevated mass coverage and the promotion of these cowardly actions that actually provides the motive and encourages copycats. these people dont feel powerful until they are validated when their actions are shown to cause a result. so congratulations, by creating a story, making it your 'editors pick of the day' and propelling it to 'most read status' you have fed precisely into their hands when silently starving these attention-seekers of oxygen and ignoring them would have been the best tactic because anybody now has positive confirmation that this type of behaviour 'gets results'. the3feathers
  • Score: 10

6:48pm Thu 3 Apr 14

Jonnytrouble says...

Not reading the nasty comments on here, which sounds to me as sick ? and im glad I never did, so I Totally agree with you what you say Kevin....
As for the
'' But the time may be fast approaching when we insist that everyone who posts on our website uses their real name to do so. ''
The reason I won't is because of those Sick one's that are around !
Not reading the nasty comments on here, which sounds to me as sick ? and im glad I never did, so I Totally agree with you what you say Kevin.... As for the '' But the time may be fast approaching when we insist that everyone who posts on our website uses their real name to do so. '' The reason I won't is because of those Sick one's that are around ! Jonnytrouble
  • Score: 6

6:53pm Thu 3 Apr 14

sooty001 says...

anigel wrote:
sooty001 wrote:
I use this site to post comments on many different subjects, and while not everyone agrees with me I am allowed my free speech on here. Those people that posted those disgusting comments on this site do no deserve the right to free speech, there are ways of expressing your opposition to anything without using such racist and disgusting comments. On this occasion I fully agree with the Argus on this one, and hope that the few do not spoil things for the many.
Whilst I in no way condone anything that has been said by anyone, I guess that the term "Free speech" does not mean what you think it means

If we get to the point where the only allowed form of "Free speech" is a that which is approved and allowed by another person then speech is no longer free.

The truth of the matter is that nowadays practically any statement or comment can be deemed to be offensive by someone.
Free speech goes hand in hand with common sense and common decency.
[quote][p][bold]anigel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sooty001[/bold] wrote: I use this site to post comments on many different subjects, and while not everyone agrees with me I am allowed my free speech on here. Those people that posted those disgusting comments on this site do no deserve the right to free speech, there are ways of expressing your opposition to anything without using such racist and disgusting comments. On this occasion I fully agree with the Argus on this one, and hope that the few do not spoil things for the many.[/p][/quote]Whilst I in no way condone anything that has been said by anyone, I guess that the term "Free speech" does not mean what you think it means If we get to the point where the only allowed form of "Free speech" is a that which is approved and allowed by another person then speech is no longer free. The truth of the matter is that nowadays practically any statement or comment can be deemed to be offensive by someone.[/p][/quote]Free speech goes hand in hand with common sense and common decency. sooty001
  • Score: 13

10:31pm Thu 3 Apr 14

Ceri says...

The real point is Nida... Remember her....rip x
The real point is Nida... Remember her....rip x Ceri
  • Score: 16

10:49pm Thu 3 Apr 14

inkyskin says...

I myself have come under attack via the argus website from an ex work colleague who for some reason or another blamed myself for his downfalls and got his friends to join this site simply to harass me, The best solution to online trolls is to ignore them, attacking adults is one thing, children are another. these key boards warriors seem to have nothing better to do with their time than to sit and troll for their own idiotic pleasure, well done for banning them from the site.
I myself have come under attack via the argus website from an ex work colleague who for some reason or another blamed myself for his downfalls and got his friends to join this site simply to harass me, The best solution to online trolls is to ignore them, attacking adults is one thing, children are another. these key boards warriors seem to have nothing better to do with their time than to sit and troll for their own idiotic pleasure, well done for banning them from the site. inkyskin
  • Score: 8

11:03pm Thu 3 Apr 14

JanJenkins says...

I think I am supposed to be offended about comments that I haven't seen, but I think its a bit hypocritical when I see pictures of women at the bottom of the article about articles due to be shown on your Argus site.
You intend to ridicule these women because they are not wearing makeup because of their celebrity status or because they haven't aged well, The Argus are encouraging these comments by trolls .Because comments such as their's are not just aimed this young dead woman , but your site encourage them to make similar comments about these women.Don't you think these peoples families would be upset by said comments.
. That I find offensive.
I think I am supposed to be offended about comments that I haven't seen, but I think its a bit hypocritical when I see pictures of women at the bottom of the article about articles due to be shown on your Argus site. You intend to ridicule these women because they are not wearing makeup because of their celebrity status or because they haven't aged well, The Argus are encouraging these comments by trolls .Because comments such as their's are not just aimed this young dead woman , but your site encourage them to make similar comments about these women.Don't you think these peoples families would be upset by said comments. . That I find offensive. JanJenkins
  • Score: 1

2:13am Fri 4 Apr 14

rover100rich says...

why was it necessary at all to report on the families asylum status when the girl first disappeared was it going to be any help in locating her , i think you must have known that stating this would put preconceptions in the minds of some people , where did these racists get their information from , they probably read your website ,they didnt need to know this
why was it necessary at all to report on the families asylum status when the girl first disappeared was it going to be any help in locating her , i think you must have known that stating this would put preconceptions in the minds of some people , where did these racists get their information from , they probably read your website ,they didnt need to know this rover100rich
  • Score: 5

4:11am Fri 4 Apr 14

Banjalucka says...

Rover - Your use of 'racist' is too casual. There are certain facts which are relevant and reference to them is not necessarily racist. The way they are said/written could be. Don't fall into the habit of calling people racist because they are referring to events involving foreigners.
Rover - Your use of 'racist' is too casual. There are certain facts which are relevant and reference to them is not necessarily racist. The way they are said/written could be. Don't fall into the habit of calling people racist because they are referring to events involving foreigners. Banjalucka
  • Score: 20

9:27am Fri 4 Apr 14

Kevin Ward - Editor says...

rover100rich
Just to clarify, we did not report the asylum seeker status of the family in the initial stages of this investigation as it appeared irrelevant.
However, this was made public by the police and the family at a subsequent press conference - after which it was reported by all media.
rover100rich Just to clarify, we did not report the asylum seeker status of the family in the initial stages of this investigation as it appeared irrelevant. However, this was made public by the police and the family at a subsequent press conference - after which it was reported by all media. Kevin Ward - Editor
  • Score: 5

11:08am Fri 4 Apr 14

cymruamblyth says...

Kevin may I ask a couple of questions regarding the Argus moderating stance?

Recently the poster BE 2014 usually makes post about "Immigrants" with no reprisialst.. Btw I did not see the offending posts or indeed know if this poster was one of the four individuals banned!

Another individual has threatened to punch other posters and regularly insults other users seemingly with impunity.. Where does the Argus stand on this? Is there a red line so to speak that has now been crossed, or was this months in the making?

The age of Nida and the mystery surrounding her death are sad, and emotions are running high.. Yes, I can understand how upsetting this is for Nida's family and friends aif they had read this! But most story's degenerates into insults, - such as personal insults or childish, Babyish posts correcting peoples spelling. Obviously you agree with as you have locked several threads and warned the offending posters

I this isn't the time and place feel free to delete this and condenses to Nida's family and friends at his sad time
Kevin may I ask a couple of questions regarding the Argus moderating stance? Recently the poster BE 2014 usually makes post about "Immigrants" with no reprisialst.. Btw I did not see the offending posts or indeed know if this poster was one of the four individuals banned! Another individual has threatened to punch other posters and regularly insults other users seemingly with impunity.. Where does the Argus stand on this? Is there a red line so to speak that has now been crossed, or was this months in the making? The age of Nida and the mystery surrounding her death are sad, and emotions are running high.. Yes, I can understand how upsetting this is for Nida's family and friends aif they had read this! But most story's degenerates into insults, - such as personal insults or childish, Babyish posts correcting peoples spelling. Obviously you agree with as you have locked several threads and warned the offending posters I this isn't the time and place feel free to delete this and condenses to Nida's family and friends at his sad time cymruamblyth
  • Score: -4

11:46am Fri 4 Apr 14

Kevin Ward - Editor says...

cymruamblyth
As our terms and conditions state, we do not moderate comments. This is for legal reasons and follows precedent set at a court case a number of years ago.
Posts are removed if we receive complaints about them via the 'report this post' button and if the complaint is upheld. Threads are locked if we receive a number of complaints and it is clear our site terms are being repeatedly breached.
With regard to the posts you mention, we would only take action if complaints have been made about them.
We make it clear - in the paragraph immediately below the comment box posters type into - that individuals are personally responsible for what they post on this site.
I hope this explains our position.
cymruamblyth As our terms and conditions state, we do not moderate comments. This is for legal reasons and follows precedent set at a court case a number of years ago. Posts are removed if we receive complaints about them via the 'report this post' button and if the complaint is upheld. Threads are locked if we receive a number of complaints and it is clear our site terms are being repeatedly breached. With regard to the posts you mention, we would only take action if complaints have been made about them. We make it clear - in the paragraph immediately below the comment box posters type into - that individuals are personally responsible for what they post on this site. I hope this explains our position. Kevin Ward - Editor
  • Score: 4

12:14pm Fri 4 Apr 14

Mwy Eira says...

It is all about respect and decency. We are all entitled to an opinion but to show a distinct lack of respect and make deroratory comments about another person's language, race, sexual orientation etc is just not on and should be dealt with by banning them. I mention language as time again deroratory remarks are made on hereabout the Welsh language and recently the Argus even printed a letter that I found offensive but with the letters themselves there is no reporting button, only any comments can be reported on and I am disgusted that the Argus thought it was appropriate to publish it. The Argus itself reported on a story £4000 being spent on Newport CCs website on a Welsh version. Why report on it - because you know what the reaction will be and the trolls come from under their stones. Many more thousands are spent on providing translators in classrooms in schools in Newport yet you do not report on it - I wonder why? It would be perceived as racist perhaps? I for one try not to read any of the comments if it involves Welsh language any more as they are usually are ignorant and derogatory and show a distinct lack of respect. You only have to look at the comments on the article you did this week on Torfaen Welsh medium schools. 'That Cymraeg lot' , if this was said about other groups if wouldn't be allowed I am sure. There are now over 1000 children in Newport alone who are taught in Welsh. Whatever language someone speaks, no one should be made to feel their language is worthless and especially not in your own country. Welsh speakers are a part of this community get used to it.
It is all about respect and decency. We are all entitled to an opinion but to show a distinct lack of respect and make deroratory comments about another person's language, race, sexual orientation etc is just not on and should be dealt with by banning them. I mention language as time again deroratory remarks are made on hereabout the Welsh language and recently the Argus even printed a letter that I found offensive but with the letters themselves there is no reporting button, only any comments can be reported on and I am disgusted that the Argus thought it was appropriate to publish it. The Argus itself reported on a story £4000 being spent on Newport CCs website on a Welsh version. Why report on it - because you know what the reaction will be and the trolls come from under their stones. Many more thousands are spent on providing translators in classrooms in schools in Newport yet you do not report on it - I wonder why? It would be perceived as racist perhaps? I for one try not to read any of the comments if it involves Welsh language any more as they are usually are ignorant and derogatory and show a distinct lack of respect. You only have to look at the comments on the article you did this week on Torfaen Welsh medium schools. 'That Cymraeg lot' , if this was said about other groups if wouldn't be allowed I am sure. There are now over 1000 children in Newport alone who are taught in Welsh. Whatever language someone speaks, no one should be made to feel their language is worthless and especially not in your own country. Welsh speakers are a part of this community get used to it. Mwy Eira
  • Score: 0

12:46pm Fri 4 Apr 14

county mad says...

If Katie s strictures were in place what a bland anodyne forum this would be,if a poster cannot express there distaste for anothers opinion you stifle arguement and with it the democratic right to free speech,in saying that obviously deliberate hate content has to be stopped. I applaud the editors decision to report this event as some readers need to be aware of these idiots(sorry katie I realise this was once a medical condition) and I hope the editors quest to reach the pinnacle of his'delusions of grandeur' is achieved, what a ridiculous slur to cast, the tightrope of allowing free speech and protecting victims is a scary place to be. Well done for highlighting this.
If Katie s strictures were in place what a bland anodyne forum this would be,if a poster cannot express there distaste for anothers opinion you stifle arguement and with it the democratic right to free speech,in saying that obviously deliberate hate content has to be stopped. I applaud the editors decision to report this event as some readers need to be aware of these idiots(sorry katie I realise this was once a medical condition) and I hope the editors quest to reach the pinnacle of his'delusions of grandeur' is achieved, what a ridiculous slur to cast, the tightrope of allowing free speech and protecting victims is a scary place to be. Well done for highlighting this. county mad
  • Score: 8

12:46pm Fri 4 Apr 14

Mwy Eira says...

I have reported a sick homophobic rant that was put on a burglary story of that lovely family this week. It was dealt with swiftly so thank you. I think I reported one regarding a story about this young lady as well a little while ago too.

To be honest I would prefer to remain anonymous to other posters because of the abuse that is hurled out of here. It is in the public domain and the world and his dog can read it. So like other message boards I would prefer anonymity. However, I have no problem with SWA itself knowing who I am. Posters should also remember that even if you post anonymously the police have ways of tracking you down! I know other message boards can ban users by their IP addresses too and not just their account.
I have reported a sick homophobic rant that was put on a burglary story of that lovely family this week. It was dealt with swiftly so thank you. I think I reported one regarding a story about this young lady as well a little while ago too. To be honest I would prefer to remain anonymous to other posters because of the abuse that is hurled out of here. It is in the public domain and the world and his dog can read it. So like other message boards I would prefer anonymity. However, I have no problem with SWA itself knowing who I am. Posters should also remember that even if you post anonymously the police have ways of tracking you down! I know other message boards can ban users by their IP addresses too and not just their account. Mwy Eira
  • Score: 4

3:48pm Fri 4 Apr 14

welshmen says...

Respect at all times, insult those who insult you first, opinions are just opinions, comments, rants are all OK as long as it stays that way and NOT personal attacks on posters....
Respect at all times, insult those who insult you first, opinions are just opinions, comments, rants are all OK as long as it stays that way and NOT personal attacks on posters.... welshmen
  • Score: 2

5:10pm Fri 4 Apr 14

jimmytheone2 says...

welshmen wrote:
Respect at all times, insult those who insult you first, opinions are just opinions, comments, rants are all OK as long as it stays that way and NOT personal attacks on posters....
I think you're missing the point here.
Opinions aren't just opinions - they can cause a great deal of offence..... as well you know. They can in certain circumstances also be illegal, as well as offensive. So no, I don't agree with you (no surprise there) that "opinions, comments, rants are all okay as long as ........ they are not personal attacks on posters".
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: Respect at all times, insult those who insult you first, opinions are just opinions, comments, rants are all OK as long as it stays that way and NOT personal attacks on posters....[/p][/quote]I think you're missing the point here. Opinions aren't just opinions - they can cause a great deal of offence..... as well you know. They can in certain circumstances also be illegal, as well as offensive. So no, I don't agree with you (no surprise there) that "opinions, comments, rants are all okay as long as ........ they are not personal attacks on posters". jimmytheone2
  • Score: -3

6:20pm Fri 4 Apr 14

Thor at the door says...

I think the word racist is banded around far too often. Just because someone questions why people of other races are allowed to reside in this country at the expense of the British tax payer for so long, or feels the identity of their home town of country due to mass immigration is not a racist. However this story is not the time or place to vent such opinions.

making despicable remarks about a young girl who has died and her family is disgusting. I find this story very sad and it's awful to think that this kid took her own life over such a matter.

We are all allowed to have a constructive opinion on stories published in the media, as we live in a democracy; but to feel anything but sadness and sympathy for this kid and her parents is pure evil.

May she rest in peace.
I think the word racist is banded around far too often. Just because someone questions why people of other races are allowed to reside in this country at the expense of the British tax payer for so long, or feels the identity of their home town of country due to mass immigration is not a racist. However this story is not the time or place to vent such opinions. making despicable remarks about a young girl who has died and her family is disgusting. I find this story very sad and it's awful to think that this kid took her own life over such a matter. We are all allowed to have a constructive opinion on stories published in the media, as we live in a democracy; but to feel anything but sadness and sympathy for this kid and her parents is pure evil. May she rest in peace. Thor at the door
  • Score: 14

8:27pm Fri 4 Apr 14

welshmen says...

jimmytheone2 wrote:
welshmen wrote:
Respect at all times, insult those who insult you first, opinions are just opinions, comments, rants are all OK as long as it stays that way and NOT personal attacks on posters....
I think you're missing the point here.
Opinions aren't just opinions - they can cause a great deal of offence..... as well you know. They can in certain circumstances also be illegal, as well as offensive. So no, I don't agree with you (no surprise there) that "opinions, comments, rants are all okay as long as ........ they are not personal attacks on posters".
Don't agree with your opinion or your point, jog on....
[quote][p][bold]jimmytheone2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: Respect at all times, insult those who insult you first, opinions are just opinions, comments, rants are all OK as long as it stays that way and NOT personal attacks on posters....[/p][/quote]I think you're missing the point here. Opinions aren't just opinions - they can cause a great deal of offence..... as well you know. They can in certain circumstances also be illegal, as well as offensive. So no, I don't agree with you (no surprise there) that "opinions, comments, rants are all okay as long as ........ they are not personal attacks on posters".[/p][/quote]Don't agree with your opinion or your point, jog on.... welshmen
  • Score: -4

11:56am Sat 5 Apr 14

gathin says...

Please Argus editor- grow up would you?
You neglected to mention their asylum claim in your article and that information came from the MSM who, for the most part aren't particularly worried about being branded as racist. All they did was report the facts of the matter.
Most of the UK is fed up with being branded a racist if they disagree with the govts immigration policy or someone elses views on immigration.
I have had quite a few warnings for not towing the line.
I don't consider myself a racist, considering I have worked in the Middle East, far East and most of Africa.
If you really want to see racism at work (of which I believe is a natural human trait anyway) then you should head to any number of these countries eg- KSA, UAE, Kuwait, India, Pakistan,China etc where you can see racism and forced labour (slavery) on a perpetual basis.
Forced labour on what they see as sub-class Muslims and complete racism on the white kaffir.
All people are doing here is expressing their views.
They're lucky enough to have the ability to express their thoughts but I'm sure if you had your way we'd just all tow the line and shut up (?).
If you don't like it- cancel your on-line option and go back to sticking your head in the sand!
Condolences to her family but don't turn this into what it isn't and concentrate on your job instead.
You aren't a crusader for the wonderful multi-culturism that is 21c UK but hopefully an editor where views can be entertained and expressed even if you don't like those views.
Please Argus editor- grow up would you? You neglected to mention their asylum claim in your article and that information came from the MSM who, for the most part aren't particularly worried about being branded as racist. All they did was report the facts of the matter. Most of the UK is fed up with being branded a racist if they disagree with the govts immigration policy or someone elses views on immigration. I have had quite a few warnings for not towing the line. I don't consider myself a racist, considering I have worked in the Middle East, far East and most of Africa. If you really want to see racism at work (of which I believe is a natural human trait anyway) then you should head to any number of these countries eg- KSA, UAE, Kuwait, India, Pakistan,China etc where you can see racism and forced labour (slavery) on a perpetual basis. Forced labour on what they see as sub-class Muslims and complete racism on the white kaffir. All people are doing here is expressing their views. They're lucky enough to have the ability to express their thoughts but I'm sure if you had your way we'd just all tow the line and shut up (?). If you don't like it- cancel your on-line option and go back to sticking your head in the sand! Condolences to her family but don't turn this into what it isn't and concentrate on your job instead. You aren't a crusader for the wonderful multi-culturism that is 21c UK but hopefully an editor where views can be entertained and expressed even if you don't like those views. gathin
  • Score: 16

1:26pm Sat 5 Apr 14

Kevin Ward - Editor says...

Gathin
What a shame you seem unable to express your views without resorting to personal abuse.
Though I appear to be repeating these facts ad nauseum, let me try again for your benefit.
We do not moderate comments on this site. Posts are only removed and, in some cases, posters warned when complaints are received from other readers. Complaints are upheld if it is clear the posts in question are in breach of our terms and conditions.
I find it strange when posters like yourself complain about being reprimanded. When you registered on this site, you agreed to abide by our terms and conditions.
If you have now changed your mind and don't agree with our terms and conditions, please let me know and I will arrange to cancel your registration.
Gathin What a shame you seem unable to express your views without resorting to personal abuse. Though I appear to be repeating these facts ad nauseum, let me try again for your benefit. We do not moderate comments on this site. Posts are only removed and, in some cases, posters warned when complaints are received from other readers. Complaints are upheld if it is clear the posts in question are in breach of our terms and conditions. I find it strange when posters like yourself complain about being reprimanded. When you registered on this site, you agreed to abide by our terms and conditions. If you have now changed your mind and don't agree with our terms and conditions, please let me know and I will arrange to cancel your registration. Kevin Ward - Editor
  • Score: -4

4:26pm Sat 5 Apr 14

Thor at the door says...

I think you missed the point from the last poster kevin.
I think you missed the point from the last poster kevin. Thor at the door
  • Score: 11

5:11pm Sat 5 Apr 14

Mike Roland says...

Thor at the door wrote:
I think you missed the point from the last poster kevin.
I think it was the poster who missed the point, which was probably why the comment was removed.
[quote][p][bold]Thor at the door[/bold] wrote: I think you missed the point from the last poster kevin.[/p][/quote]I think it was the poster who missed the point, which was probably why the comment was removed. Mike Roland
  • Score: -13

5:23pm Sat 5 Apr 14

Mwy Eira says...

jimmytheone2 wrote:
welshmen wrote:
Respect at all times, insult those who insult you first, opinions are just opinions, comments, rants are all OK as long as it stays that way and NOT personal attacks on posters....
I think you're missing the point here.
Opinions aren't just opinions - they can cause a great deal of offence..... as well you know. They can in certain circumstances also be illegal, as well as offensive. So no, I don't agree with you (no surprise there) that "opinions, comments, rants are all okay as long as ........ they are not personal attacks on posters".
Totally agree. People can find those opinions personally insulting and offensive. There is a fine line.
[quote][p][bold]jimmytheone2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: Respect at all times, insult those who insult you first, opinions are just opinions, comments, rants are all OK as long as it stays that way and NOT personal attacks on posters....[/p][/quote]I think you're missing the point here. Opinions aren't just opinions - they can cause a great deal of offence..... as well you know. They can in certain circumstances also be illegal, as well as offensive. So no, I don't agree with you (no surprise there) that "opinions, comments, rants are all okay as long as ........ they are not personal attacks on posters".[/p][/quote]Totally agree. People can find those opinions personally insulting and offensive. There is a fine line. Mwy Eira
  • Score: 0

5:31pm Sat 5 Apr 14

Thor at the door says...

Mike Roland wrote:
Thor at the door wrote:
I think you missed the point from the last poster kevin.
I think it was the poster who missed the point, which was probably why the comment was removed.
Ummm, no, I can't comment on the post that was removed, only the explanation that was given in response to the article the poster, and Kevin's reply.

I think the way Kevin brands all that do not condone a multi cultural society somewhat racist, is the issue here. I think we can all agree, abuse, racist remarks and aggressive behaviour on this site should not be accepted.

But a point of view, expressed in the right way, with relevance to the story should be accepted.
[quote][p][bold]Mike Roland[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thor at the door[/bold] wrote: I think you missed the point from the last poster kevin.[/p][/quote]I think it was the poster who missed the point, which was probably why the comment was removed.[/p][/quote]Ummm, no, I can't comment on the post that was removed, only the explanation that was given in response to the article the poster, and Kevin's reply. I think the way Kevin brands all that do not condone a multi cultural society somewhat racist, is the issue here. I think we can all agree, abuse, racist remarks and aggressive behaviour on this site should not be accepted. But a point of view, expressed in the right way, with relevance to the story should be accepted. Thor at the door
  • Score: 11

5:34pm Sat 5 Apr 14

Mwy Eira says...

False allegations are also against the sites rules too.
False allegations are also against the sites rules too. Mwy Eira
  • Score: -6

7:01pm Sat 5 Apr 14

Thor at the door says...

Mwy Eira wrote:
False allegations are also against the sites rules too.
Again, in the light of the media and the coverage they provide, I assume you are pointing the finger with regards to false allegations? As they are the masters of makng false allegations and ruining peoples lives.

As for the posters on here, they only elaborate on what they read in .... The media....
[quote][p][bold]Mwy Eira[/bold] wrote: False allegations are also against the sites rules too.[/p][/quote]Again, in the light of the media and the coverage they provide, I assume you are pointing the finger with regards to false allegations? As they are the masters of makng false allegations and ruining peoples lives. As for the posters on here, they only elaborate on what they read in .... The media.... Thor at the door
  • Score: 1

7:06pm Sat 5 Apr 14

Mwy Eira says...

Thor at the door wrote:
Mwy Eira wrote:
False allegations are also against the sites rules too.
Again, in the light of the media and the coverage they provide, I assume you are pointing the finger with regards to false allegations? As they are the masters of makng false allegations and ruining peoples lives.

As for the posters on here, they only elaborate on what they read in .... The media....
To suggest that people base their opinions on what they read in the media rather insults their intelligence.
[quote][p][bold]Thor at the door[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mwy Eira[/bold] wrote: False allegations are also against the sites rules too.[/p][/quote]Again, in the light of the media and the coverage they provide, I assume you are pointing the finger with regards to false allegations? As they are the masters of makng false allegations and ruining peoples lives. As for the posters on here, they only elaborate on what they read in .... The media....[/p][/quote]To suggest that people base their opinions on what they read in the media rather insults their intelligence. Mwy Eira
  • Score: 0

10:31pm Sat 5 Apr 14

Oldnightrun says...

OK. lets forget "Racist" for a moment. Who is going to argue with this. I do not give a **** what colour or creed you may be. I could blither on all day about why I might or might not be racist. I was born and bred in Wales, lived here all my life ( born1944) and worked all my life until illness stopped my last June. Paid my taxes all my life and worked for peanuts in some jobs I did. I feel very angry when I see people coming into this country legally or otherwise, throwing away any identification they may have, giving all sorts of reasons why they cannot be deported. We have some criminals in this country that should have been kicked out years ago, but they are still here because they got clout and a damned good lawyer. A young lassy got kicked out in five minutes flat, (Here's your ticket, there's your plane Ta Ta!). Eighteen years of age studying in uni. but easy meat for this gutless bunch scumbags ( sorry, politictians). Now I do not see why the taxes on my hard earned wages in the past and my, now, pension should finance scroungers in this country, where ever they come from, be it the next street, next county, next country or next continent. Jeff Thomas
OK. lets forget "Racist" for a moment. Who is going to argue with this. I do not give a **** what colour or creed you may be. I could blither on all day about why I might or might not be racist. I was born and bred in Wales, lived here all my life ( born1944) and worked all my life until illness stopped my last June. Paid my taxes all my life and worked for peanuts in some jobs I did. I feel very angry when I see people coming into this country legally or otherwise, throwing away any identification they may have, giving all sorts of reasons why they cannot be deported. We have some criminals in this country that should have been kicked out years ago, but they are still here because they got clout and a damned good lawyer. A young lassy got kicked out in five minutes flat, (Here's your ticket, there's your plane Ta Ta!). Eighteen years of age studying in uni. but easy meat for this gutless bunch scumbags ( sorry, politictians). Now I do not see why the taxes on my hard earned wages in the past and my, now, pension should finance scroungers in this country, where ever they come from, be it the next street, next county, next country or next continent. Jeff Thomas Oldnightrun
  • Score: 16

10:33pm Sat 5 Apr 14

Oldnightrun says...

The word edited was not foul language, the word in another context holds back water in a "dam"
The word edited was not foul language, the word in another context holds back water in a "dam" Oldnightrun
  • Score: 3

11:14pm Sat 5 Apr 14

Thor at the door says...

Your sure to be labeled a racist Jeff ..... Not by me might I add, I agree with your point of view.
Your sure to be labeled a racist Jeff ..... Not by me might I add, I agree with your point of view. Thor at the door
  • Score: 6

11:39pm Sat 5 Apr 14

cymruamblyth says...

jimmytheone2 wrote:
welshmen wrote:
Respect at all times, insult those who insult you first, opinions are just opinions, comments, rants are all OK as long as it stays that way and NOT personal attacks on posters....
I think you're missing the point here.
Opinions aren't just opinions - they can cause a great deal of offence..... as well you know. They can in certain circumstances also be illegal, as well as offensive. So no, I don't agree with you (no surprise there) that "opinions, comments, rants are all okay as long as ........ they are not personal attacks on posters".
Funny that Jimmy, all of your comments that I've read have been rants insulting people who don't hold your leftist/Marxist views, such as the Ex_Gwent_PC_claims_c
rime_figures_were_fi
ddled .. And for reasons of ideological dogma, you always seek to prevent these issues from being acknowledged or even discussed..
[quote][p][bold]jimmytheone2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: Respect at all times, insult those who insult you first, opinions are just opinions, comments, rants are all OK as long as it stays that way and NOT personal attacks on posters....[/p][/quote]I think you're missing the point here. Opinions aren't just opinions - they can cause a great deal of offence..... as well you know. They can in certain circumstances also be illegal, as well as offensive. So no, I don't agree with you (no surprise there) that "opinions, comments, rants are all okay as long as ........ they are not personal attacks on posters".[/p][/quote]Funny that Jimmy, all of your comments that I've read have been rants insulting people who don't hold your leftist/Marxist views, such as the Ex_Gwent_PC_claims_c rime_figures_were_fi ddled .. And for reasons of ideological dogma, you always seek to prevent these issues from being acknowledged or even discussed.. cymruamblyth
  • Score: 5

8:53pm Sun 6 Apr 14

Wildethoughts says...

Katie Re-Registered wrote:
Perhaps it's about time that the Argus stated a rule in their comments policy that comments which are (for example) racist, homophobic, sexist, misogynistic, transphobic, anti-semitic, classist and ableist will not be allowed in their comments sections and any such comments will be deleted with the matter being immediately referred to the police if they breach hate crime legislation? I understand the arguments about 'freedom of speech', but maybe the Argus comments policy needs to be more rigorously enforced - particularly when they consitute deliberate attacks and cyberbullying of an individual and/or Argus customer?

I've also noticed transphobic comments being posted in the comments thread, typically using often derogatory names for transpeople such as "tranny", deliberate use of inappropriate gender pronouns in order to cause offence and claims that transwomen and transmen aren't 'real' women and men. I reported such comments to the editor recently but my complaint was ignored and the transphobic comments are still up there.

*Also, whilst I completely agree with the sentiments expressed in the editorial above I'd be careful about using a term like "moron". Historically, this was a cruel and profoundly ignorant and highly offenisve word that was used to describe mentally handicapped people, those with an IQ of 50-70 and those with learning difficulties.

RIP Nida and condolences to your loved ones, friends and family.
Spot on. Whilst I congratulate the Argus on this piece, it is about time that the same sentiment was extended to all forms of racism expressed in posts here. Yes, there is freedom of speech but it is, however, a qualified right. The Argus should adopt a responsibly policy in relation to comments section and not publish racist, homophobic, etc posts. Any story that is published about the Gypsy / Traveller community seems to be a green light for endless racist posts.

As a legacy to this tragic and deeply sad story, I call upon the Argus to act now and stop racist comments in the comments section once and for all.
[quote][p][bold]Katie Re-Registered[/bold] wrote: Perhaps it's about time that the Argus stated a rule in their comments policy that comments which are (for example) racist, homophobic, sexist, misogynistic, transphobic, anti-semitic, classist and ableist will not be allowed in their comments sections and any such comments will be deleted with the matter being immediately referred to the police if they breach hate crime legislation? I understand the arguments about 'freedom of speech', but maybe the Argus comments policy needs to be more rigorously enforced - particularly when they consitute deliberate attacks and cyberbullying of an individual and/or Argus customer? I've also noticed transphobic comments being posted in the comments thread, typically using often derogatory names for transpeople such as "tranny", deliberate use of inappropriate gender pronouns in order to cause offence and claims that transwomen and transmen aren't 'real' women and men. I reported such comments to the editor recently but my complaint was ignored and the transphobic comments are still up there. *Also, whilst I completely agree with the sentiments expressed in the editorial above I'd be careful about using a term like "moron". Historically, this was a cruel and profoundly ignorant and highly offenisve word that was used to describe mentally handicapped people, those with an IQ of 50-70 and those with learning difficulties. RIP Nida and condolences to your loved ones, friends and family.[/p][/quote]Spot on. Whilst I congratulate the Argus on this piece, it is about time that the same sentiment was extended to all forms of racism expressed in posts here. Yes, there is freedom of speech but it is, however, a qualified right. The Argus should adopt a responsibly policy in relation to comments section and not publish racist, homophobic, etc posts. Any story that is published about the Gypsy / Traveller community seems to be a green light for endless racist posts. As a legacy to this tragic and deeply sad story, I call upon the Argus to act now and stop racist comments in the comments section once and for all. Wildethoughts
  • Score: -4

8:17am Mon 7 Apr 14

Mike Roland says...

Wildethoughts wrote:
Katie Re-Registered wrote:
Perhaps it's about time that the Argus stated a rule in their comments policy that comments which are (for example) racist, homophobic, sexist, misogynistic, transphobic, anti-semitic, classist and ableist will not be allowed in their comments sections and any such comments will be deleted with the matter being immediately referred to the police if they breach hate crime legislation? I understand the arguments about 'freedom of speech', but maybe the Argus comments policy needs to be more rigorously enforced - particularly when they consitute deliberate attacks and cyberbullying of an individual and/or Argus customer?

I've also noticed transphobic comments being posted in the comments thread, typically using often derogatory names for transpeople such as "tranny", deliberate use of inappropriate gender pronouns in order to cause offence and claims that transwomen and transmen aren't 'real' women and men. I reported such comments to the editor recently but my complaint was ignored and the transphobic comments are still up there.

*Also, whilst I completely agree with the sentiments expressed in the editorial above I'd be careful about using a term like "moron". Historically, this was a cruel and profoundly ignorant and highly offenisve word that was used to describe mentally handicapped people, those with an IQ of 50-70 and those with learning difficulties.

RIP Nida and condolences to your loved ones, friends and family.
Spot on. Whilst I congratulate the Argus on this piece, it is about time that the same sentiment was extended to all forms of racism expressed in posts here. Yes, there is freedom of speech but it is, however, a qualified right. The Argus should adopt a responsibly policy in relation to comments section and not publish racist, homophobic, etc posts. Any story that is published about the Gypsy / Traveller community seems to be a green light for endless racist posts.

As a legacy to this tragic and deeply sad story, I call upon the Argus to act now and stop racist comments in the comments section once and for all.
Well-said!
[quote][p][bold]Wildethoughts[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Katie Re-Registered[/bold] wrote: Perhaps it's about time that the Argus stated a rule in their comments policy that comments which are (for example) racist, homophobic, sexist, misogynistic, transphobic, anti-semitic, classist and ableist will not be allowed in their comments sections and any such comments will be deleted with the matter being immediately referred to the police if they breach hate crime legislation? I understand the arguments about 'freedom of speech', but maybe the Argus comments policy needs to be more rigorously enforced - particularly when they consitute deliberate attacks and cyberbullying of an individual and/or Argus customer? I've also noticed transphobic comments being posted in the comments thread, typically using often derogatory names for transpeople such as "tranny", deliberate use of inappropriate gender pronouns in order to cause offence and claims that transwomen and transmen aren't 'real' women and men. I reported such comments to the editor recently but my complaint was ignored and the transphobic comments are still up there. *Also, whilst I completely agree with the sentiments expressed in the editorial above I'd be careful about using a term like "moron". Historically, this was a cruel and profoundly ignorant and highly offenisve word that was used to describe mentally handicapped people, those with an IQ of 50-70 and those with learning difficulties. RIP Nida and condolences to your loved ones, friends and family.[/p][/quote]Spot on. Whilst I congratulate the Argus on this piece, it is about time that the same sentiment was extended to all forms of racism expressed in posts here. Yes, there is freedom of speech but it is, however, a qualified right. The Argus should adopt a responsibly policy in relation to comments section and not publish racist, homophobic, etc posts. Any story that is published about the Gypsy / Traveller community seems to be a green light for endless racist posts. As a legacy to this tragic and deeply sad story, I call upon the Argus to act now and stop racist comments in the comments section once and for all.[/p][/quote]Well-said! Mike Roland
  • Score: -4

11:39am Mon 7 Apr 14

welshmen says...

Mike Roland wrote:
Wildethoughts wrote:
Katie Re-Registered wrote:
Perhaps it's about time that the Argus stated a rule in their comments policy that comments which are (for example) racist, homophobic, sexist, misogynistic, transphobic, anti-semitic, classist and ableist will not be allowed in their comments sections and any such comments will be deleted with the matter being immediately referred to the police if they breach hate crime legislation? I understand the arguments about 'freedom of speech', but maybe the Argus comments policy needs to be more rigorously enforced - particularly when they consitute deliberate attacks and cyberbullying of an individual and/or Argus customer?

I've also noticed transphobic comments being posted in the comments thread, typically using often derogatory names for transpeople such as "tranny", deliberate use of inappropriate gender pronouns in order to cause offence and claims that transwomen and transmen aren't 'real' women and men. I reported such comments to the editor recently but my complaint was ignored and the transphobic comments are still up there.

*Also, whilst I completely agree with the sentiments expressed in the editorial above I'd be careful about using a term like "moron". Historically, this was a cruel and profoundly ignorant and highly offenisve word that was used to describe mentally handicapped people, those with an IQ of 50-70 and those with learning difficulties.

RIP Nida and condolences to your loved ones, friends and family.
Spot on. Whilst I congratulate the Argus on this piece, it is about time that the same sentiment was extended to all forms of racism expressed in posts here. Yes, there is freedom of speech but it is, however, a qualified right. The Argus should adopt a responsibly policy in relation to comments section and not publish racist, homophobic, etc posts. Any story that is published about the Gypsy / Traveller community seems to be a green light for endless racist posts.

As a legacy to this tragic and deeply sad story, I call upon the Argus to act now and stop racist comments in the comments section once and for all.
Well-said!
Why don't the three of you go and comment on the "Guardian Web Site, all you Liberal Elite will be all together and no one to Argue with, bliss jog on....
[quote][p][bold]Mike Roland[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wildethoughts[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Katie Re-Registered[/bold] wrote: Perhaps it's about time that the Argus stated a rule in their comments policy that comments which are (for example) racist, homophobic, sexist, misogynistic, transphobic, anti-semitic, classist and ableist will not be allowed in their comments sections and any such comments will be deleted with the matter being immediately referred to the police if they breach hate crime legislation? I understand the arguments about 'freedom of speech', but maybe the Argus comments policy needs to be more rigorously enforced - particularly when they consitute deliberate attacks and cyberbullying of an individual and/or Argus customer? I've also noticed transphobic comments being posted in the comments thread, typically using often derogatory names for transpeople such as "tranny", deliberate use of inappropriate gender pronouns in order to cause offence and claims that transwomen and transmen aren't 'real' women and men. I reported such comments to the editor recently but my complaint was ignored and the transphobic comments are still up there. *Also, whilst I completely agree with the sentiments expressed in the editorial above I'd be careful about using a term like "moron". Historically, this was a cruel and profoundly ignorant and highly offenisve word that was used to describe mentally handicapped people, those with an IQ of 50-70 and those with learning difficulties. RIP Nida and condolences to your loved ones, friends and family.[/p][/quote]Spot on. Whilst I congratulate the Argus on this piece, it is about time that the same sentiment was extended to all forms of racism expressed in posts here. Yes, there is freedom of speech but it is, however, a qualified right. The Argus should adopt a responsibly policy in relation to comments section and not publish racist, homophobic, etc posts. Any story that is published about the Gypsy / Traveller community seems to be a green light for endless racist posts. As a legacy to this tragic and deeply sad story, I call upon the Argus to act now and stop racist comments in the comments section once and for all.[/p][/quote]Well-said![/p][/quote]Why don't the three of you go and comment on the "Guardian Web Site, all you Liberal Elite will be all together and no one to Argue with, bliss jog on.... welshmen
  • Score: 0

12:04pm Mon 7 Apr 14

Mike Roland says...

welshmen wrote:
Mike Roland wrote:
Wildethoughts wrote:
Katie Re-Registered wrote:
Perhaps it's about time that the Argus stated a rule in their comments policy that comments which are (for example) racist, homophobic, sexist, misogynistic, transphobic, anti-semitic, classist and ableist will not be allowed in their comments sections and any such comments will be deleted with the matter being immediately referred to the police if they breach hate crime legislation? I understand the arguments about 'freedom of speech', but maybe the Argus comments policy needs to be more rigorously enforced - particularly when they consitute deliberate attacks and cyberbullying of an individual and/or Argus customer?

I've also noticed transphobic comments being posted in the comments thread, typically using often derogatory names for transpeople such as "tranny", deliberate use of inappropriate gender pronouns in order to cause offence and claims that transwomen and transmen aren't 'real' women and men. I reported such comments to the editor recently but my complaint was ignored and the transphobic comments are still up there.

*Also, whilst I completely agree with the sentiments expressed in the editorial above I'd be careful about using a term like "moron". Historically, this was a cruel and profoundly ignorant and highly offenisve word that was used to describe mentally handicapped people, those with an IQ of 50-70 and those with learning difficulties.

RIP Nida and condolences to your loved ones, friends and family.
Spot on. Whilst I congratulate the Argus on this piece, it is about time that the same sentiment was extended to all forms of racism expressed in posts here. Yes, there is freedom of speech but it is, however, a qualified right. The Argus should adopt a responsibly policy in relation to comments section and not publish racist, homophobic, etc posts. Any story that is published about the Gypsy / Traveller community seems to be a green light for endless racist posts.

As a legacy to this tragic and deeply sad story, I call upon the Argus to act now and stop racist comments in the comments section once and for all.
Well-said!
Why don't the three of you go and comment on the "Guardian Web Site, all you Liberal Elite will be all together and no one to Argue with, bliss jog on....
Thanks for the suggestion, but I already spend quite some time reading, learning and commenting on that platform. I also enjoy reading the articles and comments posted on here. After all, it really is a very small minority of posters who fail to stick to the guidelines and spoil the threads with their filthy racism or other related intolerance. But, thankfully, people like Kevin will be doing their best to weed those individuals out. Good news, isn't it?
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Roland[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wildethoughts[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Katie Re-Registered[/bold] wrote: Perhaps it's about time that the Argus stated a rule in their comments policy that comments which are (for example) racist, homophobic, sexist, misogynistic, transphobic, anti-semitic, classist and ableist will not be allowed in their comments sections and any such comments will be deleted with the matter being immediately referred to the police if they breach hate crime legislation? I understand the arguments about 'freedom of speech', but maybe the Argus comments policy needs to be more rigorously enforced - particularly when they consitute deliberate attacks and cyberbullying of an individual and/or Argus customer? I've also noticed transphobic comments being posted in the comments thread, typically using often derogatory names for transpeople such as "tranny", deliberate use of inappropriate gender pronouns in order to cause offence and claims that transwomen and transmen aren't 'real' women and men. I reported such comments to the editor recently but my complaint was ignored and the transphobic comments are still up there. *Also, whilst I completely agree with the sentiments expressed in the editorial above I'd be careful about using a term like "moron". Historically, this was a cruel and profoundly ignorant and highly offenisve word that was used to describe mentally handicapped people, those with an IQ of 50-70 and those with learning difficulties. RIP Nida and condolences to your loved ones, friends and family.[/p][/quote]Spot on. Whilst I congratulate the Argus on this piece, it is about time that the same sentiment was extended to all forms of racism expressed in posts here. Yes, there is freedom of speech but it is, however, a qualified right. The Argus should adopt a responsibly policy in relation to comments section and not publish racist, homophobic, etc posts. Any story that is published about the Gypsy / Traveller community seems to be a green light for endless racist posts. As a legacy to this tragic and deeply sad story, I call upon the Argus to act now and stop racist comments in the comments section once and for all.[/p][/quote]Well-said![/p][/quote]Why don't the three of you go and comment on the "Guardian Web Site, all you Liberal Elite will be all together and no one to Argue with, bliss jog on....[/p][/quote]Thanks for the suggestion, but I already spend quite some time reading, learning and commenting on that platform. I also enjoy reading the articles and comments posted on here. After all, it really is a very small minority of posters who fail to stick to the guidelines and spoil the threads with their filthy racism or other related intolerance. But, thankfully, people like Kevin will be doing their best to weed those individuals out. Good news, isn't it? Mike Roland
  • Score: -3

12:39pm Mon 7 Apr 14

welshmen says...

Mike Roland wrote:
welshmen wrote:
Mike Roland wrote:
Wildethoughts wrote:
Katie Re-Registered wrote:
Perhaps it's about time that the Argus stated a rule in their comments policy that comments which are (for example) racist, homophobic, sexist, misogynistic, transphobic, anti-semitic, classist and ableist will not be allowed in their comments sections and any such comments will be deleted with the matter being immediately referred to the police if they breach hate crime legislation? I understand the arguments about 'freedom of speech', but maybe the Argus comments policy needs to be more rigorously enforced - particularly when they consitute deliberate attacks and cyberbullying of an individual and/or Argus customer?

I've also noticed transphobic comments being posted in the comments thread, typically using often derogatory names for transpeople such as "tranny", deliberate use of inappropriate gender pronouns in order to cause offence and claims that transwomen and transmen aren't 'real' women and men. I reported such comments to the editor recently but my complaint was ignored and the transphobic comments are still up there.

*Also, whilst I completely agree with the sentiments expressed in the editorial above I'd be careful about using a term like "moron". Historically, this was a cruel and profoundly ignorant and highly offenisve word that was used to describe mentally handicapped people, those with an IQ of 50-70 and those with learning difficulties.

RIP Nida and condolences to your loved ones, friends and family.
Spot on. Whilst I congratulate the Argus on this piece, it is about time that the same sentiment was extended to all forms of racism expressed in posts here. Yes, there is freedom of speech but it is, however, a qualified right. The Argus should adopt a responsibly policy in relation to comments section and not publish racist, homophobic, etc posts. Any story that is published about the Gypsy / Traveller community seems to be a green light for endless racist posts.

As a legacy to this tragic and deeply sad story, I call upon the Argus to act now and stop racist comments in the comments section once and for all.
Well-said!
Why don't the three of you go and comment on the "Guardian Web Site, all you Liberal Elite will be all together and no one to Argue with, bliss jog on....
Thanks for the suggestion, but I already spend quite some time reading, learning and commenting on that platform. I also enjoy reading the articles and comments posted on here. After all, it really is a very small minority of posters who fail to stick to the guidelines and spoil the threads with their filthy racism or other related intolerance. But, thankfully, people like Kevin will be doing their best to weed those individuals out. Good news, isn't it?
Your times nearly up then, because your Liberal Elite Rag the Guardian is in decline month on month, people are waking up to Guardian readers who want this country to become a third world country, immigrants first and British LAST.

By the way I am still posting on here, the truth is always difficult to accept when it's different from your warped view, what do you do, complain to SIR, London is already majority Black, I was born into a white Christian Country, the Liberal Elite expect me and Millions of British born and bred to except what's happening to our Country, well i have news for you, people are now making their concerns known and not toeing the line on the Political Correctness Laws made pacifically to shut up the people of this Democratic Country on how Multiculturalism has failed and the flood of unskilled immigrants from anywhere, Immigration has cost our Country in nineteen years £148 Billion, and you and yours want more, who's the clever one Mike....
[quote][p][bold]Mike Roland[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Roland[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wildethoughts[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Katie Re-Registered[/bold] wrote: Perhaps it's about time that the Argus stated a rule in their comments policy that comments which are (for example) racist, homophobic, sexist, misogynistic, transphobic, anti-semitic, classist and ableist will not be allowed in their comments sections and any such comments will be deleted with the matter being immediately referred to the police if they breach hate crime legislation? I understand the arguments about 'freedom of speech', but maybe the Argus comments policy needs to be more rigorously enforced - particularly when they consitute deliberate attacks and cyberbullying of an individual and/or Argus customer? I've also noticed transphobic comments being posted in the comments thread, typically using often derogatory names for transpeople such as "tranny", deliberate use of inappropriate gender pronouns in order to cause offence and claims that transwomen and transmen aren't 'real' women and men. I reported such comments to the editor recently but my complaint was ignored and the transphobic comments are still up there. *Also, whilst I completely agree with the sentiments expressed in the editorial above I'd be careful about using a term like "moron". Historically, this was a cruel and profoundly ignorant and highly offenisve word that was used to describe mentally handicapped people, those with an IQ of 50-70 and those with learning difficulties. RIP Nida and condolences to your loved ones, friends and family.[/p][/quote]Spot on. Whilst I congratulate the Argus on this piece, it is about time that the same sentiment was extended to all forms of racism expressed in posts here. Yes, there is freedom of speech but it is, however, a qualified right. The Argus should adopt a responsibly policy in relation to comments section and not publish racist, homophobic, etc posts. Any story that is published about the Gypsy / Traveller community seems to be a green light for endless racist posts. As a legacy to this tragic and deeply sad story, I call upon the Argus to act now and stop racist comments in the comments section once and for all.[/p][/quote]Well-said![/p][/quote]Why don't the three of you go and comment on the "Guardian Web Site, all you Liberal Elite will be all together and no one to Argue with, bliss jog on....[/p][/quote]Thanks for the suggestion, but I already spend quite some time reading, learning and commenting on that platform. I also enjoy reading the articles and comments posted on here. After all, it really is a very small minority of posters who fail to stick to the guidelines and spoil the threads with their filthy racism or other related intolerance. But, thankfully, people like Kevin will be doing their best to weed those individuals out. Good news, isn't it?[/p][/quote]Your times nearly up then, because your Liberal Elite Rag the Guardian is in decline month on month, people are waking up to Guardian readers who want this country to become a third world country, immigrants first and British LAST. By the way I am still posting on here, the truth is always difficult to accept when it's different from your warped view, what do you do, complain to SIR, London is already majority Black, I was born into a white Christian Country, the Liberal Elite expect me and Millions of British born and bred to except what's happening to our Country, well i have news for you, people are now making their concerns known and not toeing the line on the Political Correctness Laws made pacifically to shut up the people of this Democratic Country on how Multiculturalism has failed and the flood of unskilled immigrants from anywhere, Immigration has cost our Country in nineteen years £148 Billion, and you and yours want more, who's the clever one Mike.... welshmen
  • Score: 0

12:51pm Mon 7 Apr 14

Mike Roland says...

welshmen wrote:
Mike Roland wrote:
welshmen wrote:
Mike Roland wrote:
Wildethoughts wrote:
Katie Re-Registered wrote:
Perhaps it's about time that the Argus stated a rule in their comments policy that comments which are (for example) racist, homophobic, sexist, misogynistic, transphobic, anti-semitic, classist and ableist will not be allowed in their comments sections and any such comments will be deleted with the matter being immediately referred to the police if they breach hate crime legislation? I understand the arguments about 'freedom of speech', but maybe the Argus comments policy needs to be more rigorously enforced - particularly when they consitute deliberate attacks and cyberbullying of an individual and/or Argus customer?

I've also noticed transphobic comments being posted in the comments thread, typically using often derogatory names for transpeople such as "tranny", deliberate use of inappropriate gender pronouns in order to cause offence and claims that transwomen and transmen aren't 'real' women and men. I reported such comments to the editor recently but my complaint was ignored and the transphobic comments are still up there.

*Also, whilst I completely agree with the sentiments expressed in the editorial above I'd be careful about using a term like "moron". Historically, this was a cruel and profoundly ignorant and highly offenisve word that was used to describe mentally handicapped people, those with an IQ of 50-70 and those with learning difficulties.

RIP Nida and condolences to your loved ones, friends and family.
Spot on. Whilst I congratulate the Argus on this piece, it is about time that the same sentiment was extended to all forms of racism expressed in posts here. Yes, there is freedom of speech but it is, however, a qualified right. The Argus should adopt a responsibly policy in relation to comments section and not publish racist, homophobic, etc posts. Any story that is published about the Gypsy / Traveller community seems to be a green light for endless racist posts.

As a legacy to this tragic and deeply sad story, I call upon the Argus to act now and stop racist comments in the comments section once and for all.
Well-said!
Why don't the three of you go and comment on the "Guardian Web Site, all you Liberal Elite will be all together and no one to Argue with, bliss jog on....
Thanks for the suggestion, but I already spend quite some time reading, learning and commenting on that platform. I also enjoy reading the articles and comments posted on here. After all, it really is a very small minority of posters who fail to stick to the guidelines and spoil the threads with their filthy racism or other related intolerance. But, thankfully, people like Kevin will be doing their best to weed those individuals out. Good news, isn't it?
Your times nearly up then, because your Liberal Elite Rag the Guardian is in decline month on month, people are waking up to Guardian readers who want this country to become a third world country, immigrants first and British LAST.

By the way I am still posting on here, the truth is always difficult to accept when it's different from your warped view, what do you do, complain to SIR, London is already majority Black, I was born into a white Christian Country, the Liberal Elite expect me and Millions of British born and bred to except what's happening to our Country, well i have news for you, people are now making their concerns known and not toeing the line on the Political Correctness Laws made pacifically to shut up the people of this Democratic Country on how Multiculturalism has failed and the flood of unskilled immigrants from anywhere, Immigration has cost our Country in nineteen years £148 Billion, and you and yours want more, who's the clever one Mike....
Well, obviously, you are the clever one, Welshmen. If, as you say, you were born into a white Christian county, you must be very, very old. You've been around far longer than living memory, I'd have thought, .... . Wisdom comes with age, doesn't it?
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Roland[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Roland[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wildethoughts[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Katie Re-Registered[/bold] wrote: Perhaps it's about time that the Argus stated a rule in their comments policy that comments which are (for example) racist, homophobic, sexist, misogynistic, transphobic, anti-semitic, classist and ableist will not be allowed in their comments sections and any such comments will be deleted with the matter being immediately referred to the police if they breach hate crime legislation? I understand the arguments about 'freedom of speech', but maybe the Argus comments policy needs to be more rigorously enforced - particularly when they consitute deliberate attacks and cyberbullying of an individual and/or Argus customer? I've also noticed transphobic comments being posted in the comments thread, typically using often derogatory names for transpeople such as "tranny", deliberate use of inappropriate gender pronouns in order to cause offence and claims that transwomen and transmen aren't 'real' women and men. I reported such comments to the editor recently but my complaint was ignored and the transphobic comments are still up there. *Also, whilst I completely agree with the sentiments expressed in the editorial above I'd be careful about using a term like "moron". Historically, this was a cruel and profoundly ignorant and highly offenisve word that was used to describe mentally handicapped people, those with an IQ of 50-70 and those with learning difficulties. RIP Nida and condolences to your loved ones, friends and family.[/p][/quote]Spot on. Whilst I congratulate the Argus on this piece, it is about time that the same sentiment was extended to all forms of racism expressed in posts here. Yes, there is freedom of speech but it is, however, a qualified right. The Argus should adopt a responsibly policy in relation to comments section and not publish racist, homophobic, etc posts. Any story that is published about the Gypsy / Traveller community seems to be a green light for endless racist posts. As a legacy to this tragic and deeply sad story, I call upon the Argus to act now and stop racist comments in the comments section once and for all.[/p][/quote]Well-said![/p][/quote]Why don't the three of you go and comment on the "Guardian Web Site, all you Liberal Elite will be all together and no one to Argue with, bliss jog on....[/p][/quote]Thanks for the suggestion, but I already spend quite some time reading, learning and commenting on that platform. I also enjoy reading the articles and comments posted on here. After all, it really is a very small minority of posters who fail to stick to the guidelines and spoil the threads with their filthy racism or other related intolerance. But, thankfully, people like Kevin will be doing their best to weed those individuals out. Good news, isn't it?[/p][/quote]Your times nearly up then, because your Liberal Elite Rag the Guardian is in decline month on month, people are waking up to Guardian readers who want this country to become a third world country, immigrants first and British LAST. By the way I am still posting on here, the truth is always difficult to accept when it's different from your warped view, what do you do, complain to SIR, London is already majority Black, I was born into a white Christian Country, the Liberal Elite expect me and Millions of British born and bred to except what's happening to our Country, well i have news for you, people are now making their concerns known and not toeing the line on the Political Correctness Laws made pacifically to shut up the people of this Democratic Country on how Multiculturalism has failed and the flood of unskilled immigrants from anywhere, Immigration has cost our Country in nineteen years £148 Billion, and you and yours want more, who's the clever one Mike....[/p][/quote]Well, obviously, you are the clever one, Welshmen. If, as you say, you were born into a white Christian county, you must be very, very old. You've been around far longer than living memory, I'd have thought, .... . Wisdom comes with age, doesn't it? Mike Roland
  • Score: -1

3:26pm Mon 7 Apr 14

welshmen says...

Mike Roland wrote:
welshmen wrote:
Mike Roland wrote:
welshmen wrote:
Mike Roland wrote:
Wildethoughts wrote:
Katie Re-Registered wrote:
Perhaps it's about time that the Argus stated a rule in their comments policy that comments which are (for example) racist, homophobic, sexist, misogynistic, transphobic, anti-semitic, classist and ableist will not be allowed in their comments sections and any such comments will be deleted with the matter being immediately referred to the police if they breach hate crime legislation? I understand the arguments about 'freedom of speech', but maybe the Argus comments policy needs to be more rigorously enforced - particularly when they consitute deliberate attacks and cyberbullying of an individual and/or Argus customer?

I've also noticed transphobic comments being posted in the comments thread, typically using often derogatory names for transpeople such as "tranny", deliberate use of inappropriate gender pronouns in order to cause offence and claims that transwomen and transmen aren't 'real' women and men. I reported such comments to the editor recently but my complaint was ignored and the transphobic comments are still up there.

*Also, whilst I completely agree with the sentiments expressed in the editorial above I'd be careful about using a term like "moron". Historically, this was a cruel and profoundly ignorant and highly offenisve word that was used to describe mentally handicapped people, those with an IQ of 50-70 and those with learning difficulties.

RIP Nida and condolences to your loved ones, friends and family.
Spot on. Whilst I congratulate the Argus on this piece, it is about time that the same sentiment was extended to all forms of racism expressed in posts here. Yes, there is freedom of speech but it is, however, a qualified right. The Argus should adopt a responsibly policy in relation to comments section and not publish racist, homophobic, etc posts. Any story that is published about the Gypsy / Traveller community seems to be a green light for endless racist posts.

As a legacy to this tragic and deeply sad story, I call upon the Argus to act now and stop racist comments in the comments section once and for all.
Well-said!
Why don't the three of you go and comment on the "Guardian Web Site, all you Liberal Elite will be all together and no one to Argue with, bliss jog on....
Thanks for the suggestion, but I already spend quite some time reading, learning and commenting on that platform. I also enjoy reading the articles and comments posted on here. After all, it really is a very small minority of posters who fail to stick to the guidelines and spoil the threads with their filthy racism or other related intolerance. But, thankfully, people like Kevin will be doing their best to weed those individuals out. Good news, isn't it?
Your times nearly up then, because your Liberal Elite Rag the Guardian is in decline month on month, people are waking up to Guardian readers who want this country to become a third world country, immigrants first and British LAST.

By the way I am still posting on here, the truth is always difficult to accept when it's different from your warped view, what do you do, complain to SIR, London is already majority Black, I was born into a white Christian Country, the Liberal Elite expect me and Millions of British born and bred to except what's happening to our Country, well i have news for you, people are now making their concerns known and not toeing the line on the Political Correctness Laws made pacifically to shut up the people of this Democratic Country on how Multiculturalism has failed and the flood of unskilled immigrants from anywhere, Immigration has cost our Country in nineteen years £148 Billion, and you and yours want more, who's the clever one Mike....
Well, obviously, you are the clever one, Welshmen. If, as you say, you were born into a white Christian county, you must be very, very old. You've been around far longer than living memory, I'd have thought, .... . Wisdom comes with age, doesn't it?
I will explain, White Christian Country, White and Christian being the majority, and that's the way myself and Millions of British born and bred,want to stay, you seem not to get that, why don't you move to London, perhaps more to your liking, would Africa, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, China, Saudi Arabia, and Japan like it if they were the minority in their own Country, probably according to your logic they would embrace it, but i doubt that very much, they wont let a Christian's build Churches in all the Asian Countries especially Pakistan and Bangladesh or any Muslim Country, you really need to take your rose tinted goggles off and see the real world not the Guardian world....
[quote][p][bold]Mike Roland[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Roland[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Roland[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wildethoughts[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Katie Re-Registered[/bold] wrote: Perhaps it's about time that the Argus stated a rule in their comments policy that comments which are (for example) racist, homophobic, sexist, misogynistic, transphobic, anti-semitic, classist and ableist will not be allowed in their comments sections and any such comments will be deleted with the matter being immediately referred to the police if they breach hate crime legislation? I understand the arguments about 'freedom of speech', but maybe the Argus comments policy needs to be more rigorously enforced - particularly when they consitute deliberate attacks and cyberbullying of an individual and/or Argus customer? I've also noticed transphobic comments being posted in the comments thread, typically using often derogatory names for transpeople such as "tranny", deliberate use of inappropriate gender pronouns in order to cause offence and claims that transwomen and transmen aren't 'real' women and men. I reported such comments to the editor recently but my complaint was ignored and the transphobic comments are still up there. *Also, whilst I completely agree with the sentiments expressed in the editorial above I'd be careful about using a term like "moron". Historically, this was a cruel and profoundly ignorant and highly offenisve word that was used to describe mentally handicapped people, those with an IQ of 50-70 and those with learning difficulties. RIP Nida and condolences to your loved ones, friends and family.[/p][/quote]Spot on. Whilst I congratulate the Argus on this piece, it is about time that the same sentiment was extended to all forms of racism expressed in posts here. Yes, there is freedom of speech but it is, however, a qualified right. The Argus should adopt a responsibly policy in relation to comments section and not publish racist, homophobic, etc posts. Any story that is published about the Gypsy / Traveller community seems to be a green light for endless racist posts. As a legacy to this tragic and deeply sad story, I call upon the Argus to act now and stop racist comments in the comments section once and for all.[/p][/quote]Well-said![/p][/quote]Why don't the three of you go and comment on the "Guardian Web Site, all you Liberal Elite will be all together and no one to Argue with, bliss jog on....[/p][/quote]Thanks for the suggestion, but I already spend quite some time reading, learning and commenting on that platform. I also enjoy reading the articles and comments posted on here. After all, it really is a very small minority of posters who fail to stick to the guidelines and spoil the threads with their filthy racism or other related intolerance. But, thankfully, people like Kevin will be doing their best to weed those individuals out. Good news, isn't it?[/p][/quote]Your times nearly up then, because your Liberal Elite Rag the Guardian is in decline month on month, people are waking up to Guardian readers who want this country to become a third world country, immigrants first and British LAST. By the way I am still posting on here, the truth is always difficult to accept when it's different from your warped view, what do you do, complain to SIR, London is already majority Black, I was born into a white Christian Country, the Liberal Elite expect me and Millions of British born and bred to except what's happening to our Country, well i have news for you, people are now making their concerns known and not toeing the line on the Political Correctness Laws made pacifically to shut up the people of this Democratic Country on how Multiculturalism has failed and the flood of unskilled immigrants from anywhere, Immigration has cost our Country in nineteen years £148 Billion, and you and yours want more, who's the clever one Mike....[/p][/quote]Well, obviously, you are the clever one, Welshmen. If, as you say, you were born into a white Christian county, you must be very, very old. You've been around far longer than living memory, I'd have thought, .... . Wisdom comes with age, doesn't it?[/p][/quote]I will explain, White Christian Country, White and Christian being the majority, and that's the way myself and Millions of British born and bred,want to stay, you seem not to get that, why don't you move to London, perhaps more to your liking, would Africa, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, China, Saudi Arabia, and Japan like it if they were the minority in their own Country, probably according to your logic they would embrace it, but i doubt that very much, they wont let a Christian's build Churches in all the Asian Countries especially Pakistan and Bangladesh or any Muslim Country, you really need to take your rose tinted goggles off and see the real world not the Guardian world.... welshmen
  • Score: 4

3:48pm Mon 7 Apr 14

SlopingBird says...

I was one of the readers who reported the comments. They were cruel, offensive and malicious . Kevin was right to remove them immediately.
I was one of the readers who reported the comments. They were cruel, offensive and malicious . Kevin was right to remove them immediately. SlopingBird
  • Score: -3

4:43pm Mon 7 Apr 14

louise111 says...

SlopingBird wrote:
I was one of the readers who reported the comments. They were cruel, offensive and malicious . Kevin was right to remove them immediately.
So what exactly was said! In what regards was it racist, in the true sense of the word. Bearing in mind the words Asylum seeker is not racist. This was mentioned in an article by the Argus, when Nida first went missing.
Thanks I'm really curious to what was said, as I found Kevin the editor editorial piece very sanctimonious.


.
[quote][p][bold]SlopingBird[/bold] wrote: I was one of the readers who reported the comments. They were cruel, offensive and malicious . Kevin was right to remove them immediately.[/p][/quote]So what exactly was said! In what regards was it racist, in the true sense of the word. Bearing in mind the words Asylum seeker is not racist. This was mentioned in an article by the Argus, when Nida first went missing. Thanks I'm really curious to what was said, as I found Kevin the editor editorial piece very sanctimonious. . louise111
  • Score: 5

4:47pm Mon 7 Apr 14

jimmytheone2 says...

final warning wrote:
Yeah, let's stamp out racism in the Argus but let the majority of the earth's countries carry on with their racist agenda!
Israel is up there, as is Saudi, as are most of the ME countries but let's only concentrate on Kev's dream of a fully-functioning Argus where comments he doesn't agree with can have persons-unnamed banned from his train set haha!
That's great logic. Let's not treat people properly, let's not show respect and fairness and treat others as we'd like to be treated ourselves - just because another country doesn't do it. That's the sort of logic i hear from 3 year olds.
I think the vast majority of decent minded people fully support Kevin's stance. He's not suppressing free speech, he's just saying no to offensive comments and behaviour that can and does cause offence to people. Personally, i think it's long overdue.
[quote][p][bold]final warning[/bold] wrote: Yeah, let's stamp out racism in the Argus but let the majority of the earth's countries carry on with their racist agenda! Israel is up there, as is Saudi, as are most of the ME countries but let's only concentrate on Kev's dream of a fully-functioning Argus where comments he doesn't agree with can have persons-unnamed banned from his train set haha![/p][/quote]That's great logic. Let's not treat people properly, let's not show respect and fairness and treat others as we'd like to be treated ourselves - just because another country doesn't do it. That's the sort of logic i hear from 3 year olds. I think the vast majority of decent minded people fully support Kevin's stance. He's not suppressing free speech, he's just saying no to offensive comments and behaviour that can and does cause offence to people. Personally, i think it's long overdue. jimmytheone2
  • Score: -3

5:27pm Mon 7 Apr 14

Mike Roland says...

welshmen wrote:
Mike Roland wrote:
welshmen wrote:
Mike Roland wrote:
welshmen wrote:
Mike Roland wrote:
Wildethoughts wrote:
Katie Re-Registered wrote:
Perhaps it's about time that the Argus stated a rule in their comments policy that comments which are (for example) racist, homophobic, sexist, misogynistic, transphobic, anti-semitic, classist and ableist will not be allowed in their comments sections and any such comments will be deleted with the matter being immediately referred to the police if they breach hate crime legislation? I understand the arguments about 'freedom of speech', but maybe the Argus comments policy needs to be more rigorously enforced - particularly when they consitute deliberate attacks and cyberbullying of an individual and/or Argus customer?

I've also noticed transphobic comments being posted in the comments thread, typically using often derogatory names for transpeople such as "tranny", deliberate use of inappropriate gender pronouns in order to cause offence and claims that transwomen and transmen aren't 'real' women and men. I reported such comments to the editor recently but my complaint was ignored and the transphobic comments are still up there.

*Also, whilst I completely agree with the sentiments expressed in the editorial above I'd be careful about using a term like "moron". Historically, this was a cruel and profoundly ignorant and highly offenisve word that was used to describe mentally handicapped people, those with an IQ of 50-70 and those with learning difficulties.

RIP Nida and condolences to your loved ones, friends and family.
Spot on. Whilst I congratulate the Argus on this piece, it is about time that the same sentiment was extended to all forms of racism expressed in posts here. Yes, there is freedom of speech but it is, however, a qualified right. The Argus should adopt a responsibly policy in relation to comments section and not publish racist, homophobic, etc posts. Any story that is published about the Gypsy / Traveller community seems to be a green light for endless racist posts.

As a legacy to this tragic and deeply sad story, I call upon the Argus to act now and stop racist comments in the comments section once and for all.
Well-said!
Why don't the three of you go and comment on the "Guardian Web Site, all you Liberal Elite will be all together and no one to Argue with, bliss jog on....
Thanks for the suggestion, but I already spend quite some time reading, learning and commenting on that platform. I also enjoy reading the articles and comments posted on here. After all, it really is a very small minority of posters who fail to stick to the guidelines and spoil the threads with their filthy racism or other related intolerance. But, thankfully, people like Kevin will be doing their best to weed those individuals out. Good news, isn't it?
Your times nearly up then, because your Liberal Elite Rag the Guardian is in decline month on month, people are waking up to Guardian readers who want this country to become a third world country, immigrants first and British LAST.

By the way I am still posting on here, the truth is always difficult to accept when it's different from your warped view, what do you do, complain to SIR, London is already majority Black, I was born into a white Christian Country, the Liberal Elite expect me and Millions of British born and bred to except what's happening to our Country, well i have news for you, people are now making their concerns known and not toeing the line on the Political Correctness Laws made pacifically to shut up the people of this Democratic Country on how Multiculturalism has failed and the flood of unskilled immigrants from anywhere, Immigration has cost our Country in nineteen years £148 Billion, and you and yours want more, who's the clever one Mike....
Well, obviously, you are the clever one, Welshmen. If, as you say, you were born into a white Christian county, you must be very, very old. You've been around far longer than living memory, I'd have thought, .... . Wisdom comes with age, doesn't it?
I will explain, White Christian Country, White and Christian being the majority, and that's the way myself and Millions of British born and bred,want to stay, you seem not to get that, why don't you move to London, perhaps more to your liking, would Africa, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, China, Saudi Arabia, and Japan like it if they were the minority in their own Country, probably according to your logic they would embrace it, but i doubt that very much, they wont let a Christian's build Churches in all the Asian Countries especially Pakistan and Bangladesh or any Muslim Country, you really need to take your rose tinted goggles off and see the real world not the Guardian world....
Maybe history isn't your strongest point? These islands have been multi-cultural for thousands of years and certainly way before the Romans and/or Christianity came along. Oh, by the way, I lived and worked in London (SE 19) for almost 20 years - a real eye opener. You should try it!!
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Roland[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Roland[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Roland[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wildethoughts[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Katie Re-Registered[/bold] wrote: Perhaps it's about time that the Argus stated a rule in their comments policy that comments which are (for example) racist, homophobic, sexist, misogynistic, transphobic, anti-semitic, classist and ableist will not be allowed in their comments sections and any such comments will be deleted with the matter being immediately referred to the police if they breach hate crime legislation? I understand the arguments about 'freedom of speech', but maybe the Argus comments policy needs to be more rigorously enforced - particularly when they consitute deliberate attacks and cyberbullying of an individual and/or Argus customer? I've also noticed transphobic comments being posted in the comments thread, typically using often derogatory names for transpeople such as "tranny", deliberate use of inappropriate gender pronouns in order to cause offence and claims that transwomen and transmen aren't 'real' women and men. I reported such comments to the editor recently but my complaint was ignored and the transphobic comments are still up there. *Also, whilst I completely agree with the sentiments expressed in the editorial above I'd be careful about using a term like "moron". Historically, this was a cruel and profoundly ignorant and highly offenisve word that was used to describe mentally handicapped people, those with an IQ of 50-70 and those with learning difficulties. RIP Nida and condolences to your loved ones, friends and family.[/p][/quote]Spot on. Whilst I congratulate the Argus on this piece, it is about time that the same sentiment was extended to all forms of racism expressed in posts here. Yes, there is freedom of speech but it is, however, a qualified right. The Argus should adopt a responsibly policy in relation to comments section and not publish racist, homophobic, etc posts. Any story that is published about the Gypsy / Traveller community seems to be a green light for endless racist posts. As a legacy to this tragic and deeply sad story, I call upon the Argus to act now and stop racist comments in the comments section once and for all.[/p][/quote]Well-said![/p][/quote]Why don't the three of you go and comment on the "Guardian Web Site, all you Liberal Elite will be all together and no one to Argue with, bliss jog on....[/p][/quote]Thanks for the suggestion, but I already spend quite some time reading, learning and commenting on that platform. I also enjoy reading the articles and comments posted on here. After all, it really is a very small minority of posters who fail to stick to the guidelines and spoil the threads with their filthy racism or other related intolerance. But, thankfully, people like Kevin will be doing their best to weed those individuals out. Good news, isn't it?[/p][/quote]Your times nearly up then, because your Liberal Elite Rag the Guardian is in decline month on month, people are waking up to Guardian readers who want this country to become a third world country, immigrants first and British LAST. By the way I am still posting on here, the truth is always difficult to accept when it's different from your warped view, what do you do, complain to SIR, London is already majority Black, I was born into a white Christian Country, the Liberal Elite expect me and Millions of British born and bred to except what's happening to our Country, well i have news for you, people are now making their concerns known and not toeing the line on the Political Correctness Laws made pacifically to shut up the people of this Democratic Country on how Multiculturalism has failed and the flood of unskilled immigrants from anywhere, Immigration has cost our Country in nineteen years £148 Billion, and you and yours want more, who's the clever one Mike....[/p][/quote]Well, obviously, you are the clever one, Welshmen. If, as you say, you were born into a white Christian county, you must be very, very old. You've been around far longer than living memory, I'd have thought, .... . Wisdom comes with age, doesn't it?[/p][/quote]I will explain, White Christian Country, White and Christian being the majority, and that's the way myself and Millions of British born and bred,want to stay, you seem not to get that, why don't you move to London, perhaps more to your liking, would Africa, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, China, Saudi Arabia, and Japan like it if they were the minority in their own Country, probably according to your logic they would embrace it, but i doubt that very much, they wont let a Christian's build Churches in all the Asian Countries especially Pakistan and Bangladesh or any Muslim Country, you really need to take your rose tinted goggles off and see the real world not the Guardian world....[/p][/quote]Maybe history isn't your strongest point? These islands have been multi-cultural for thousands of years and certainly way before the Romans and/or Christianity came along. Oh, by the way, I lived and worked in London (SE 19) for almost 20 years - a real eye opener. You should try it!! Mike Roland
  • Score: -3

5:46pm Mon 7 Apr 14

welshmen says...

Mike Roland wrote:
welshmen wrote:
Mike Roland wrote:
welshmen wrote:
Mike Roland wrote:
welshmen wrote:
Mike Roland wrote:
Wildethoughts wrote:
Katie Re-Registered wrote:
Perhaps it's about time that the Argus stated a rule in their comments policy that comments which are (for example) racist, homophobic, sexist, misogynistic, transphobic, anti-semitic, classist and ableist will not be allowed in their comments sections and any such comments will be deleted with the matter being immediately referred to the police if they breach hate crime legislation? I understand the arguments about 'freedom of speech', but maybe the Argus comments policy needs to be more rigorously enforced - particularly when they consitute deliberate attacks and cyberbullying of an individual and/or Argus customer?

I've also noticed transphobic comments being posted in the comments thread, typically using often derogatory names for transpeople such as "tranny", deliberate use of inappropriate gender pronouns in order to cause offence and claims that transwomen and transmen aren't 'real' women and men. I reported such comments to the editor recently but my complaint was ignored and the transphobic comments are still up there.

*Also, whilst I completely agree with the sentiments expressed in the editorial above I'd be careful about using a term like "moron". Historically, this was a cruel and profoundly ignorant and highly offenisve word that was used to describe mentally handicapped people, those with an IQ of 50-70 and those with learning difficulties.

RIP Nida and condolences to your loved ones, friends and family.
Spot on. Whilst I congratulate the Argus on this piece, it is about time that the same sentiment was extended to all forms of racism expressed in posts here. Yes, there is freedom of speech but it is, however, a qualified right. The Argus should adopt a responsibly policy in relation to comments section and not publish racist, homophobic, etc posts. Any story that is published about the Gypsy / Traveller community seems to be a green light for endless racist posts.

As a legacy to this tragic and deeply sad story, I call upon the Argus to act now and stop racist comments in the comments section once and for all.
Well-said!
Why don't the three of you go and comment on the "Guardian Web Site, all you Liberal Elite will be all together and no one to Argue with, bliss jog on....
Thanks for the suggestion, but I already spend quite some time reading, learning and commenting on that platform. I also enjoy reading the articles and comments posted on here. After all, it really is a very small minority of posters who fail to stick to the guidelines and spoil the threads with their filthy racism or other related intolerance. But, thankfully, people like Kevin will be doing their best to weed those individuals out. Good news, isn't it?
Your times nearly up then, because your Liberal Elite Rag the Guardian is in decline month on month, people are waking up to Guardian readers who want this country to become a third world country, immigrants first and British LAST.

By the way I am still posting on here, the truth is always difficult to accept when it's different from your warped view, what do you do, complain to SIR, London is already majority Black, I was born into a white Christian Country, the Liberal Elite expect me and Millions of British born and bred to except what's happening to our Country, well i have news for you, people are now making their concerns known and not toeing the line on the Political Correctness Laws made pacifically to shut up the people of this Democratic Country on how Multiculturalism has failed and the flood of unskilled immigrants from anywhere, Immigration has cost our Country in nineteen years £148 Billion, and you and yours want more, who's the clever one Mike....
Well, obviously, you are the clever one, Welshmen. If, as you say, you were born into a white Christian county, you must be very, very old. You've been around far longer than living memory, I'd have thought, .... . Wisdom comes with age, doesn't it?
I will explain, White Christian Country, White and Christian being the majority, and that's the way myself and Millions of British born and bred,want to stay, you seem not to get that, why don't you move to London, perhaps more to your liking, would Africa, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, China, Saudi Arabia, and Japan like it if they were the minority in their own Country, probably according to your logic they would embrace it, but i doubt that very much, they wont let a Christian's build Churches in all the Asian Countries especially Pakistan and Bangladesh or any Muslim Country, you really need to take your rose tinted goggles off and see the real world not the Guardian world....
Maybe history isn't your strongest point? These islands have been multi-cultural for thousands of years and certainly way before the Romans and/or Christianity came along. Oh, by the way, I lived and worked in London (SE 19) for almost 20 years - a real eye opener. You should try it!!
I don't think you have a strong point in anything concerning our Country, i now we have all kinds but, like i said we are predominantly White, sorry White seems to offend you but that's British people, yes we have all colours but millions of British people don't want to be the minority in a couple of decades, any way your so boring go and bore some one else....Why don't you go back to LONDON or are you fed up of every body thinking they own a bit of our country, perhaps your a closet racist, against whites....
[quote][p][bold]Mike Roland[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Roland[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Roland[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Roland[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wildethoughts[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Katie Re-Registered[/bold] wrote: Perhaps it's about time that the Argus stated a rule in their comments policy that comments which are (for example) racist, homophobic, sexist, misogynistic, transphobic, anti-semitic, classist and ableist will not be allowed in their comments sections and any such comments will be deleted with the matter being immediately referred to the police if they breach hate crime legislation? I understand the arguments about 'freedom of speech', but maybe the Argus comments policy needs to be more rigorously enforced - particularly when they consitute deliberate attacks and cyberbullying of an individual and/or Argus customer? I've also noticed transphobic comments being posted in the comments thread, typically using often derogatory names for transpeople such as "tranny", deliberate use of inappropriate gender pronouns in order to cause offence and claims that transwomen and transmen aren't 'real' women and men. I reported such comments to the editor recently but my complaint was ignored and the transphobic comments are still up there. *Also, whilst I completely agree with the sentiments expressed in the editorial above I'd be careful about using a term like "moron". Historically, this was a cruel and profoundly ignorant and highly offenisve word that was used to describe mentally handicapped people, those with an IQ of 50-70 and those with learning difficulties. RIP Nida and condolences to your loved ones, friends and family.[/p][/quote]Spot on. Whilst I congratulate the Argus on this piece, it is about time that the same sentiment was extended to all forms of racism expressed in posts here. Yes, there is freedom of speech but it is, however, a qualified right. The Argus should adopt a responsibly policy in relation to comments section and not publish racist, homophobic, etc posts. Any story that is published about the Gypsy / Traveller community seems to be a green light for endless racist posts. As a legacy to this tragic and deeply sad story, I call upon the Argus to act now and stop racist comments in the comments section once and for all.[/p][/quote]Well-said![/p][/quote]Why don't the three of you go and comment on the "Guardian Web Site, all you Liberal Elite will be all together and no one to Argue with, bliss jog on....[/p][/quote]Thanks for the suggestion, but I already spend quite some time reading, learning and commenting on that platform. I also enjoy reading the articles and comments posted on here. After all, it really is a very small minority of posters who fail to stick to the guidelines and spoil the threads with their filthy racism or other related intolerance. But, thankfully, people like Kevin will be doing their best to weed those individuals out. Good news, isn't it?[/p][/quote]Your times nearly up then, because your Liberal Elite Rag the Guardian is in decline month on month, people are waking up to Guardian readers who want this country to become a third world country, immigrants first and British LAST. By the way I am still posting on here, the truth is always difficult to accept when it's different from your warped view, what do you do, complain to SIR, London is already majority Black, I was born into a white Christian Country, the Liberal Elite expect me and Millions of British born and bred to except what's happening to our Country, well i have news for you, people are now making their concerns known and not toeing the line on the Political Correctness Laws made pacifically to shut up the people of this Democratic Country on how Multiculturalism has failed and the flood of unskilled immigrants from anywhere, Immigration has cost our Country in nineteen years £148 Billion, and you and yours want more, who's the clever one Mike....[/p][/quote]Well, obviously, you are the clever one, Welshmen. If, as you say, you were born into a white Christian county, you must be very, very old. You've been around far longer than living memory, I'd have thought, .... . Wisdom comes with age, doesn't it?[/p][/quote]I will explain, White Christian Country, White and Christian being the majority, and that's the way myself and Millions of British born and bred,want to stay, you seem not to get that, why don't you move to London, perhaps more to your liking, would Africa, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, China, Saudi Arabia, and Japan like it if they were the minority in their own Country, probably according to your logic they would embrace it, but i doubt that very much, they wont let a Christian's build Churches in all the Asian Countries especially Pakistan and Bangladesh or any Muslim Country, you really need to take your rose tinted goggles off and see the real world not the Guardian world....[/p][/quote]Maybe history isn't your strongest point? These islands have been multi-cultural for thousands of years and certainly way before the Romans and/or Christianity came along. Oh, by the way, I lived and worked in London (SE 19) for almost 20 years - a real eye opener. You should try it!![/p][/quote]I don't think you have a strong point in anything concerning our Country, i now we have all kinds but, like i said we are predominantly White, sorry White seems to offend you but that's British people, yes we have all colours but millions of British people don't want to be the minority in a couple of decades, any way your so boring go and bore some one else....Why don't you go back to LONDON or are you fed up of every body thinking they own a bit of our country, perhaps your a closet racist, against whites.... welshmen
  • Score: 2

5:57pm Mon 7 Apr 14

cymruambyth says...

final warning wrote:
Yeah, let's stamp out racism in the Argus but let the majority of the earth's countries carry on with their racist agenda!
Israel is up there, as is Saudi, as are most of the ME countries but let's only concentrate on Kev's dream of a fully-functioning Argus where comments he doesn't agree with can have persons-unnamed banned from his train set haha!
Effort aimed at achieving fully functioning Argus isn't Kev's dream, its the most important part of his job. I suspect that's why he wrote the article in the first place - in the hope of discouraging dysfunctional posters.
[quote][p][bold]final warning[/bold] wrote: Yeah, let's stamp out racism in the Argus but let the majority of the earth's countries carry on with their racist agenda! Israel is up there, as is Saudi, as are most of the ME countries but let's only concentrate on Kev's dream of a fully-functioning Argus where comments he doesn't agree with can have persons-unnamed banned from his train set haha![/p][/quote]Effort aimed at achieving fully functioning Argus isn't Kev's dream, its the most important part of his job. I suspect that's why he wrote the article in the first place - in the hope of discouraging dysfunctional posters. cymruambyth
  • Score: -1

6:09pm Mon 7 Apr 14

snappersearch says...

welshmen wrote:
Mike Roland wrote:
welshmen wrote:
Mike Roland wrote:
welshmen wrote:
Mike Roland wrote:
welshmen wrote:
Mike Roland wrote:
Wildethoughts wrote:
Katie Re-Registered wrote:
Perhaps it's about time that the Argus stated a rule in their comments policy that comments which are (for example) racist, homophobic, sexist, misogynistic, transphobic, anti-semitic, classist and ableist will not be allowed in their comments sections and any such comments will be deleted with the matter being immediately referred to the police if they breach hate crime legislation? I understand the arguments about 'freedom of speech', but maybe the Argus comments policy needs to be more rigorously enforced - particularly when they consitute deliberate attacks and cyberbullying of an individual and/or Argus customer?

I've also noticed transphobic comments being posted in the comments thread, typically using often derogatory names for transpeople such as "tranny", deliberate use of inappropriate gender pronouns in order to cause offence and claims that transwomen and transmen aren't 'real' women and men. I reported such comments to the editor recently but my complaint was ignored and the transphobic comments are still up there.

*Also, whilst I completely agree with the sentiments expressed in the editorial above I'd be careful about using a term like "moron". Historically, this was a cruel and profoundly ignorant and highly offenisve word that was used to describe mentally handicapped people, those with an IQ of 50-70 and those with learning difficulties.

RIP Nida and condolences to your loved ones, friends and family.
Spot on. Whilst I congratulate the Argus on this piece, it is about time that the same sentiment was extended to all forms of racism expressed in posts here. Yes, there is freedom of speech but it is, however, a qualified right. The Argus should adopt a responsibly policy in relation to comments section and not publish racist, homophobic, etc posts. Any story that is published about the Gypsy / Traveller community seems to be a green light for endless racist posts.

As a legacy to this tragic and deeply sad story, I call upon the Argus to act now and stop racist comments in the comments section once and for all.
Well-said!
Why don't the three of you go and comment on the "Guardian Web Site, all you Liberal Elite will be all together and no one to Argue with, bliss jog on....
Thanks for the suggestion, but I already spend quite some time reading, learning and commenting on that platform. I also enjoy reading the articles and comments posted on here. After all, it really is a very small minority of posters who fail to stick to the guidelines and spoil the threads with their filthy racism or other related intolerance. But, thankfully, people like Kevin will be doing their best to weed those individuals out. Good news, isn't it?
Your times nearly up then, because your Liberal Elite Rag the Guardian is in decline month on month, people are waking up to Guardian readers who want this country to become a third world country, immigrants first and British LAST.

By the way I am still posting on here, the truth is always difficult to accept when it's different from your warped view, what do you do, complain to SIR, London is already majority Black, I was born into a white Christian Country, the Liberal Elite expect me and Millions of British born and bred to except what's happening to our Country, well i have news for you, people are now making their concerns known and not toeing the line on the Political Correctness Laws made pacifically to shut up the people of this Democratic Country on how Multiculturalism has failed and the flood of unskilled immigrants from anywhere, Immigration has cost our Country in nineteen years £148 Billion, and you and yours want more, who's the clever one Mike....
Well, obviously, you are the clever one, Welshmen. If, as you say, you were born into a white Christian county, you must be very, very old. You've been around far longer than living memory, I'd have thought, .... . Wisdom comes with age, doesn't it?
I will explain, White Christian Country, White and Christian being the majority, and that's the way myself and Millions of British born and bred,want to stay, you seem not to get that, why don't you move to London, perhaps more to your liking, would Africa, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, China, Saudi Arabia, and Japan like it if they were the minority in their own Country, probably according to your logic they would embrace it, but i doubt that very much, they wont let a Christian's build Churches in all the Asian Countries especially Pakistan and Bangladesh or any Muslim Country, you really need to take your rose tinted goggles off and see the real world not the Guardian world....
Maybe history isn't your strongest point? These islands have been multi-cultural for thousands of years and certainly way before the Romans and/or Christianity came along. Oh, by the way, I lived and worked in London (SE 19) for almost 20 years - a real eye opener. You should try it!!
I don't think you have a strong point in anything concerning our Country, i now we have all kinds but, like i said we are predominantly White, sorry White seems to offend you but that's British people, yes we have all colours but millions of British people don't want to be the minority in a couple of decades, any way your so boring go and bore some one else....Why don't you go back to LONDON or are you fed up of every body thinking they own a bit of our country, perhaps your a closet racist, against whites....
Been wondering when you ' d start chucking the personal insults and acusations around. Always the way when you know your beat.
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Roland[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Roland[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Roland[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Roland[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wildethoughts[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Katie Re-Registered[/bold] wrote: Perhaps it's about time that the Argus stated a rule in their comments policy that comments which are (for example) racist, homophobic, sexist, misogynistic, transphobic, anti-semitic, classist and ableist will not be allowed in their comments sections and any such comments will be deleted with the matter being immediately referred to the police if they breach hate crime legislation? I understand the arguments about 'freedom of speech', but maybe the Argus comments policy needs to be more rigorously enforced - particularly when they consitute deliberate attacks and cyberbullying of an individual and/or Argus customer? I've also noticed transphobic comments being posted in the comments thread, typically using often derogatory names for transpeople such as "tranny", deliberate use of inappropriate gender pronouns in order to cause offence and claims that transwomen and transmen aren't 'real' women and men. I reported such comments to the editor recently but my complaint was ignored and the transphobic comments are still up there. *Also, whilst I completely agree with the sentiments expressed in the editorial above I'd be careful about using a term like "moron". Historically, this was a cruel and profoundly ignorant and highly offenisve word that was used to describe mentally handicapped people, those with an IQ of 50-70 and those with learning difficulties. RIP Nida and condolences to your loved ones, friends and family.[/p][/quote]Spot on. Whilst I congratulate the Argus on this piece, it is about time that the same sentiment was extended to all forms of racism expressed in posts here. Yes, there is freedom of speech but it is, however, a qualified right. The Argus should adopt a responsibly policy in relation to comments section and not publish racist, homophobic, etc posts. Any story that is published about the Gypsy / Traveller community seems to be a green light for endless racist posts. As a legacy to this tragic and deeply sad story, I call upon the Argus to act now and stop racist comments in the comments section once and for all.[/p][/quote]Well-said![/p][/quote]Why don't the three of you go and comment on the "Guardian Web Site, all you Liberal Elite will be all together and no one to Argue with, bliss jog on....[/p][/quote]Thanks for the suggestion, but I already spend quite some time reading, learning and commenting on that platform. I also enjoy reading the articles and comments posted on here. After all, it really is a very small minority of posters who fail to stick to the guidelines and spoil the threads with their filthy racism or other related intolerance. But, thankfully, people like Kevin will be doing their best to weed those individuals out. Good news, isn't it?[/p][/quote]Your times nearly up then, because your Liberal Elite Rag the Guardian is in decline month on month, people are waking up to Guardian readers who want this country to become a third world country, immigrants first and British LAST. By the way I am still posting on here, the truth is always difficult to accept when it's different from your warped view, what do you do, complain to SIR, London is already majority Black, I was born into a white Christian Country, the Liberal Elite expect me and Millions of British born and bred to except what's happening to our Country, well i have news for you, people are now making their concerns known and not toeing the line on the Political Correctness Laws made pacifically to shut up the people of this Democratic Country on how Multiculturalism has failed and the flood of unskilled immigrants from anywhere, Immigration has cost our Country in nineteen years £148 Billion, and you and yours want more, who's the clever one Mike....[/p][/quote]Well, obviously, you are the clever one, Welshmen. If, as you say, you were born into a white Christian county, you must be very, very old. You've been around far longer than living memory, I'd have thought, .... . Wisdom comes with age, doesn't it?[/p][/quote]I will explain, White Christian Country, White and Christian being the majority, and that's the way myself and Millions of British born and bred,want to stay, you seem not to get that, why don't you move to London, perhaps more to your liking, would Africa, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, China, Saudi Arabia, and Japan like it if they were the minority in their own Country, probably according to your logic they would embrace it, but i doubt that very much, they wont let a Christian's build Churches in all the Asian Countries especially Pakistan and Bangladesh or any Muslim Country, you really need to take your rose tinted goggles off and see the real world not the Guardian world....[/p][/quote]Maybe history isn't your strongest point? These islands have been multi-cultural for thousands of years and certainly way before the Romans and/or Christianity came along. Oh, by the way, I lived and worked in London (SE 19) for almost 20 years - a real eye opener. You should try it!![/p][/quote]I don't think you have a strong point in anything concerning our Country, i now we have all kinds but, like i said we are predominantly White, sorry White seems to offend you but that's British people, yes we have all colours but millions of British people don't want to be the minority in a couple of decades, any way your so boring go and bore some one else....Why don't you go back to LONDON or are you fed up of every body thinking they own a bit of our country, perhaps your a closet racist, against whites....[/p][/quote]Been wondering when you ' d start chucking the personal insults and acusations around. Always the way when you know your beat. snappersearch
  • Score: -1

6:49pm Mon 7 Apr 14

welshmen says...

snappersearch wrote:
welshmen wrote:
Mike Roland wrote:
welshmen wrote:
Mike Roland wrote:
welshmen wrote:
Mike Roland wrote:
welshmen wrote:
Mike Roland wrote:
Wildethoughts wrote:
Katie Re-Registered wrote:
Perhaps it's about time that the Argus stated a rule in their comments policy that comments which are (for example) racist, homophobic, sexist, misogynistic, transphobic, anti-semitic, classist and ableist will not be allowed in their comments sections and any such comments will be deleted with the matter being immediately referred to the police if they breach hate crime legislation? I understand the arguments about 'freedom of speech', but maybe the Argus comments policy needs to be more rigorously enforced - particularly when they consitute deliberate attacks and cyberbullying of an individual and/or Argus customer?

I've also noticed transphobic comments being posted in the comments thread, typically using often derogatory names for transpeople such as "tranny", deliberate use of inappropriate gender pronouns in order to cause offence and claims that transwomen and transmen aren't 'real' women and men. I reported such comments to the editor recently but my complaint was ignored and the transphobic comments are still up there.

*Also, whilst I completely agree with the sentiments expressed in the editorial above I'd be careful about using a term like "moron". Historically, this was a cruel and profoundly ignorant and highly offenisve word that was used to describe mentally handicapped people, those with an IQ of 50-70 and those with learning difficulties.

RIP Nida and condolences to your loved ones, friends and family.
Spot on. Whilst I congratulate the Argus on this piece, it is about time that the same sentiment was extended to all forms of racism expressed in posts here. Yes, there is freedom of speech but it is, however, a qualified right. The Argus should adopt a responsibly policy in relation to comments section and not publish racist, homophobic, etc posts. Any story that is published about the Gypsy / Traveller community seems to be a green light for endless racist posts.

As a legacy to this tragic and deeply sad story, I call upon the Argus to act now and stop racist comments in the comments section once and for all.
Well-said!
Why don't the three of you go and comment on the "Guardian Web Site, all you Liberal Elite will be all together and no one to Argue with, bliss jog on....
Thanks for the suggestion, but I already spend quite some time reading, learning and commenting on that platform. I also enjoy reading the articles and comments posted on here. After all, it really is a very small minority of posters who fail to stick to the guidelines and spoil the threads with their filthy racism or other related intolerance. But, thankfully, people like Kevin will be doing their best to weed those individuals out. Good news, isn't it?
Your times nearly up then, because your Liberal Elite Rag the Guardian is in decline month on month, people are waking up to Guardian readers who want this country to become a third world country, immigrants first and British LAST.

By the way I am still posting on here, the truth is always difficult to accept when it's different from your warped view, what do you do, complain to SIR, London is already majority Black, I was born into a white Christian Country, the Liberal Elite expect me and Millions of British born and bred to except what's happening to our Country, well i have news for you, people are now making their concerns known and not toeing the line on the Political Correctness Laws made pacifically to shut up the people of this Democratic Country on how Multiculturalism has failed and the flood of unskilled immigrants from anywhere, Immigration has cost our Country in nineteen years £148 Billion, and you and yours want more, who's the clever one Mike....
Well, obviously, you are the clever one, Welshmen. If, as you say, you were born into a white Christian county, you must be very, very old. You've been around far longer than living memory, I'd have thought, .... . Wisdom comes with age, doesn't it?
I will explain, White Christian Country, White and Christian being the majority, and that's the way myself and Millions of British born and bred,want to stay, you seem not to get that, why don't you move to London, perhaps more to your liking, would Africa, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, China, Saudi Arabia, and Japan like it if they were the minority in their own Country, probably according to your logic they would embrace it, but i doubt that very much, they wont let a Christian's build Churches in all the Asian Countries especially Pakistan and Bangladesh or any Muslim Country, you really need to take your rose tinted goggles off and see the real world not the Guardian world....
Maybe history isn't your strongest point? These islands have been multi-cultural for thousands of years and certainly way before the Romans and/or Christianity came along. Oh, by the way, I lived and worked in London (SE 19) for almost 20 years - a real eye opener. You should try it!!
I don't think you have a strong point in anything concerning our Country, i now we have all kinds but, like i said we are predominantly White, sorry White seems to offend you but that's British people, yes we have all colours but millions of British people don't want to be the minority in a couple of decades, any way your so boring go and bore some one else....Why don't you go back to LONDON or are you fed up of every body thinking they own a bit of our country, perhaps your a closet racist, against whites....
Been wondering when you ' d start chucking the personal insults and acusations around. Always the way when you know your beat.
NOT beat by you, that's your way off opting out of what i have posted, you can't reply to them because you have no answers, that's not a personal attack on you, you have hinted what your feelings are, I am not your kind, you are not my kind, we just live in the same Country maybe, I will admit you are boring and can not reply with out being sarcastic, but that's the Liberal Elitist way, your never wrong always right, your way or no way....
[quote][p][bold]snappersearch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Roland[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Roland[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Roland[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Roland[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wildethoughts[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Katie Re-Registered[/bold] wrote: Perhaps it's about time that the Argus stated a rule in their comments policy that comments which are (for example) racist, homophobic, sexist, misogynistic, transphobic, anti-semitic, classist and ableist will not be allowed in their comments sections and any such comments will be deleted with the matter being immediately referred to the police if they breach hate crime legislation? I understand the arguments about 'freedom of speech', but maybe the Argus comments policy needs to be more rigorously enforced - particularly when they consitute deliberate attacks and cyberbullying of an individual and/or Argus customer? I've also noticed transphobic comments being posted in the comments thread, typically using often derogatory names for transpeople such as "tranny", deliberate use of inappropriate gender pronouns in order to cause offence and claims that transwomen and transmen aren't 'real' women and men. I reported such comments to the editor recently but my complaint was ignored and the transphobic comments are still up there. *Also, whilst I completely agree with the sentiments expressed in the editorial above I'd be careful about using a term like "moron". Historically, this was a cruel and profoundly ignorant and highly offenisve word that was used to describe mentally handicapped people, those with an IQ of 50-70 and those with learning difficulties. RIP Nida and condolences to your loved ones, friends and family.[/p][/quote]Spot on. Whilst I congratulate the Argus on this piece, it is about time that the same sentiment was extended to all forms of racism expressed in posts here. Yes, there is freedom of speech but it is, however, a qualified right. The Argus should adopt a responsibly policy in relation to comments section and not publish racist, homophobic, etc posts. Any story that is published about the Gypsy / Traveller community seems to be a green light for endless racist posts. As a legacy to this tragic and deeply sad story, I call upon the Argus to act now and stop racist comments in the comments section once and for all.[/p][/quote]Well-said![/p][/quote]Why don't the three of you go and comment on the "Guardian Web Site, all you Liberal Elite will be all together and no one to Argue with, bliss jog on....[/p][/quote]Thanks for the suggestion, but I already spend quite some time reading, learning and commenting on that platform. I also enjoy reading the articles and comments posted on here. After all, it really is a very small minority of posters who fail to stick to the guidelines and spoil the threads with their filthy racism or other related intolerance. But, thankfully, people like Kevin will be doing their best to weed those individuals out. Good news, isn't it?[/p][/quote]Your times nearly up then, because your Liberal Elite Rag the Guardian is in decline month on month, people are waking up to Guardian readers who want this country to become a third world country, immigrants first and British LAST. By the way I am still posting on here, the truth is always difficult to accept when it's different from your warped view, what do you do, complain to SIR, London is already majority Black, I was born into a white Christian Country, the Liberal Elite expect me and Millions of British born and bred to except what's happening to our Country, well i have news for you, people are now making their concerns known and not toeing the line on the Political Correctness Laws made pacifically to shut up the people of this Democratic Country on how Multiculturalism has failed and the flood of unskilled immigrants from anywhere, Immigration has cost our Country in nineteen years £148 Billion, and you and yours want more, who's the clever one Mike....[/p][/quote]Well, obviously, you are the clever one, Welshmen. If, as you say, you were born into a white Christian county, you must be very, very old. You've been around far longer than living memory, I'd have thought, .... . Wisdom comes with age, doesn't it?[/p][/quote]I will explain, White Christian Country, White and Christian being the majority, and that's the way myself and Millions of British born and bred,want to stay, you seem not to get that, why don't you move to London, perhaps more to your liking, would Africa, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, China, Saudi Arabia, and Japan like it if they were the minority in their own Country, probably according to your logic they would embrace it, but i doubt that very much, they wont let a Christian's build Churches in all the Asian Countries especially Pakistan and Bangladesh or any Muslim Country, you really need to take your rose tinted goggles off and see the real world not the Guardian world....[/p][/quote]Maybe history isn't your strongest point? These islands have been multi-cultural for thousands of years and certainly way before the Romans and/or Christianity came along. Oh, by the way, I lived and worked in London (SE 19) for almost 20 years - a real eye opener. You should try it!![/p][/quote]I don't think you have a strong point in anything concerning our Country, i now we have all kinds but, like i said we are predominantly White, sorry White seems to offend you but that's British people, yes we have all colours but millions of British people don't want to be the minority in a couple of decades, any way your so boring go and bore some one else....Why don't you go back to LONDON or are you fed up of every body thinking they own a bit of our country, perhaps your a closet racist, against whites....[/p][/quote]Been wondering when you ' d start chucking the personal insults and acusations around. Always the way when you know your beat.[/p][/quote]NOT beat by you, that's your way off opting out of what i have posted, you can't reply to them because you have no answers, that's not a personal attack on you, you have hinted what your feelings are, I am not your kind, you are not my kind, we just live in the same Country maybe, I will admit you are boring and can not reply with out being sarcastic, but that's the Liberal Elitist way, your never wrong always right, your way or no way.... welshmen
  • Score: 1

6:54pm Mon 7 Apr 14

welshmen says...

welshmen wrote:
snappersearch wrote:
welshmen wrote:
Mike Roland wrote:
welshmen wrote:
Mike Roland wrote:
welshmen wrote:
Mike Roland wrote:
welshmen wrote:
Mike Roland wrote:
Wildethoughts wrote:
Katie Re-Registered wrote:
Perhaps it's about time that the Argus stated a rule in their comments policy that comments which are (for example) racist, homophobic, sexist, misogynistic, transphobic, anti-semitic, classist and ableist will not be allowed in their comments sections and any such comments will be deleted with the matter being immediately referred to the police if they breach hate crime legislation? I understand the arguments about 'freedom of speech', but maybe the Argus comments policy needs to be more rigorously enforced - particularly when they consitute deliberate attacks and cyberbullying of an individual and/or Argus customer?

I've also noticed transphobic comments being posted in the comments thread, typically using often derogatory names for transpeople such as "tranny", deliberate use of inappropriate gender pronouns in order to cause offence and claims that transwomen and transmen aren't 'real' women and men. I reported such comments to the editor recently but my complaint was ignored and the transphobic comments are still up there.

*Also, whilst I completely agree with the sentiments expressed in the editorial above I'd be careful about using a term like "moron". Historically, this was a cruel and profoundly ignorant and highly offenisve word that was used to describe mentally handicapped people, those with an IQ of 50-70 and those with learning difficulties.

RIP Nida and condolences to your loved ones, friends and family.
Spot on. Whilst I congratulate the Argus on this piece, it is about time that the same sentiment was extended to all forms of racism expressed in posts here. Yes, there is freedom of speech but it is, however, a qualified right. The Argus should adopt a responsibly policy in relation to comments section and not publish racist, homophobic, etc posts. Any story that is published about the Gypsy / Traveller community seems to be a green light for endless racist posts.

As a legacy to this tragic and deeply sad story, I call upon the Argus to act now and stop racist comments in the comments section once and for all.
Well-said!
Why don't the three of you go and comment on the "Guardian Web Site, all you Liberal Elite will be all together and no one to Argue with, bliss jog on....
Thanks for the suggestion, but I already spend quite some time reading, learning and commenting on that platform. I also enjoy reading the articles and comments posted on here. After all, it really is a very small minority of posters who fail to stick to the guidelines and spoil the threads with their filthy racism or other related intolerance. But, thankfully, people like Kevin will be doing their best to weed those individuals out. Good news, isn't it?
Your times nearly up then, because your Liberal Elite Rag the Guardian is in decline month on month, people are waking up to Guardian readers who want this country to become a third world country, immigrants first and British LAST.

By the way I am still posting on here, the truth is always difficult to accept when it's different from your warped view, what do you do, complain to SIR, London is already majority Black, I was born into a white Christian Country, the Liberal Elite expect me and Millions of British born and bred to except what's happening to our Country, well i have news for you, people are now making their concerns known and not toeing the line on the Political Correctness Laws made pacifically to shut up the people of this Democratic Country on how Multiculturalism has failed and the flood of unskilled immigrants from anywhere, Immigration has cost our Country in nineteen years £148 Billion, and you and yours want more, who's the clever one Mike....
Well, obviously, you are the clever one, Welshmen. If, as you say, you were born into a white Christian county, you must be very, very old. You've been around far longer than living memory, I'd have thought, .... . Wisdom comes with age, doesn't it?
I will explain, White Christian Country, White and Christian being the majority, and that's the way myself and Millions of British born and bred,want to stay, you seem not to get that, why don't you move to London, perhaps more to your liking, would Africa, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, China, Saudi Arabia, and Japan like it if they were the minority in their own Country, probably according to your logic they would embrace it, but i doubt that very much, they wont let a Christian's build Churches in all the Asian Countries especially Pakistan and Bangladesh or any Muslim Country, you really need to take your rose tinted goggles off and see the real world not the Guardian world....
Maybe history isn't your strongest point? These islands have been multi-cultural for thousands of years and certainly way before the Romans and/or Christianity came along. Oh, by the way, I lived and worked in London (SE 19) for almost 20 years - a real eye opener. You should try it!!
I don't think you have a strong point in anything concerning our Country, i now we have all kinds but, like i said we are predominantly White, sorry White seems to offend you but that's British people, yes we have all colours but millions of British people don't want to be the minority in a couple of decades, any way your so boring go and bore some one else....Why don't you go back to LONDON or are you fed up of every body thinking they own a bit of our country, perhaps your a closet racist, against whites....
Been wondering when you ' d start chucking the personal insults and acusations around. Always the way when you know your beat.
NOT beat by you, that's your way off opting out of what i have posted, you can't reply to them because you have no answers, that's not a personal attack on you, you have hinted what your feelings are, I am not your kind, you are not my kind, we just live in the same Country maybe, I will admit you are boring and can not reply with out being sarcastic, but that's the Liberal Elitist way, your never wrong always right, your way or no way....
Sorry thought you were Mike, any way what have you to say, or are you just a troll....if you are like Mike go and bore some one else....
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]snappersearch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Roland[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Roland[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Roland[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Roland[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wildethoughts[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Katie Re-Registered[/bold] wrote: Perhaps it's about time that the Argus stated a rule in their comments policy that comments which are (for example) racist, homophobic, sexist, misogynistic, transphobic, anti-semitic, classist and ableist will not be allowed in their comments sections and any such comments will be deleted with the matter being immediately referred to the police if they breach hate crime legislation? I understand the arguments about 'freedom of speech', but maybe the Argus comments policy needs to be more rigorously enforced - particularly when they consitute deliberate attacks and cyberbullying of an individual and/or Argus customer? I've also noticed transphobic comments being posted in the comments thread, typically using often derogatory names for transpeople such as "tranny", deliberate use of inappropriate gender pronouns in order to cause offence and claims that transwomen and transmen aren't 'real' women and men. I reported such comments to the editor recently but my complaint was ignored and the transphobic comments are still up there. *Also, whilst I completely agree with the sentiments expressed in the editorial above I'd be careful about using a term like "moron". Historically, this was a cruel and profoundly ignorant and highly offenisve word that was used to describe mentally handicapped people, those with an IQ of 50-70 and those with learning difficulties. RIP Nida and condolences to your loved ones, friends and family.[/p][/quote]Spot on. Whilst I congratulate the Argus on this piece, it is about time that the same sentiment was extended to all forms of racism expressed in posts here. Yes, there is freedom of speech but it is, however, a qualified right. The Argus should adopt a responsibly policy in relation to comments section and not publish racist, homophobic, etc posts. Any story that is published about the Gypsy / Traveller community seems to be a green light for endless racist posts. As a legacy to this tragic and deeply sad story, I call upon the Argus to act now and stop racist comments in the comments section once and for all.[/p][/quote]Well-said![/p][/quote]Why don't the three of you go and comment on the "Guardian Web Site, all you Liberal Elite will be all together and no one to Argue with, bliss jog on....[/p][/quote]Thanks for the suggestion, but I already spend quite some time reading, learning and commenting on that platform. I also enjoy reading the articles and comments posted on here. After all, it really is a very small minority of posters who fail to stick to the guidelines and spoil the threads with their filthy racism or other related intolerance. But, thankfully, people like Kevin will be doing their best to weed those individuals out. Good news, isn't it?[/p][/quote]Your times nearly up then, because your Liberal Elite Rag the Guardian is in decline month on month, people are waking up to Guardian readers who want this country to become a third world country, immigrants first and British LAST. By the way I am still posting on here, the truth is always difficult to accept when it's different from your warped view, what do you do, complain to SIR, London is already majority Black, I was born into a white Christian Country, the Liberal Elite expect me and Millions of British born and bred to except what's happening to our Country, well i have news for you, people are now making their concerns known and not toeing the line on the Political Correctness Laws made pacifically to shut up the people of this Democratic Country on how Multiculturalism has failed and the flood of unskilled immigrants from anywhere, Immigration has cost our Country in nineteen years £148 Billion, and you and yours want more, who's the clever one Mike....[/p][/quote]Well, obviously, you are the clever one, Welshmen. If, as you say, you were born into a white Christian county, you must be very, very old. You've been around far longer than living memory, I'd have thought, .... . Wisdom comes with age, doesn't it?[/p][/quote]I will explain, White Christian Country, White and Christian being the majority, and that's the way myself and Millions of British born and bred,want to stay, you seem not to get that, why don't you move to London, perhaps more to your liking, would Africa, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, China, Saudi Arabia, and Japan like it if they were the minority in their own Country, probably according to your logic they would embrace it, but i doubt that very much, they wont let a Christian's build Churches in all the Asian Countries especially Pakistan and Bangladesh or any Muslim Country, you really need to take your rose tinted goggles off and see the real world not the Guardian world....[/p][/quote]Maybe history isn't your strongest point? These islands have been multi-cultural for thousands of years and certainly way before the Romans and/or Christianity came along. Oh, by the way, I lived and worked in London (SE 19) for almost 20 years - a real eye opener. You should try it!![/p][/quote]I don't think you have a strong point in anything concerning our Country, i now we have all kinds but, like i said we are predominantly White, sorry White seems to offend you but that's British people, yes we have all colours but millions of British people don't want to be the minority in a couple of decades, any way your so boring go and bore some one else....Why don't you go back to LONDON or are you fed up of every body thinking they own a bit of our country, perhaps your a closet racist, against whites....[/p][/quote]Been wondering when you ' d start chucking the personal insults and acusations around. Always the way when you know your beat.[/p][/quote]NOT beat by you, that's your way off opting out of what i have posted, you can't reply to them because you have no answers, that's not a personal attack on you, you have hinted what your feelings are, I am not your kind, you are not my kind, we just live in the same Country maybe, I will admit you are boring and can not reply with out being sarcastic, but that's the Liberal Elitist way, your never wrong always right, your way or no way....[/p][/quote]Sorry thought you were Mike, any way what have you to say, or are you just a troll....if you are like Mike go and bore some one else.... welshmen
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7:38pm Mon 7 Apr 14

louise111 says...

Calm down people! Firstly, we don't know what was being written that was considered offensive or racist. Just because Kevin said so, its not enough. So to congratulate him on a job well done seems silly.

Its seems these days the word racist is used far to often and not in the right context. Compare e.g's from groups that are openly racist, and then compare them to comments made in the Argus. I'm sure there is a big difference.

Lastly, please find out what was being said or written and then make an informed opinion. That's how I do things, whether I'm right or wrong, it is my opinion.
Calm down people! Firstly, we don't know what was being written that was considered offensive or racist. Just because Kevin said so, its not enough. So to congratulate him on a job well done seems silly. Its seems these days the word racist is used far to often and not in the right context. Compare e.g's from groups that are openly racist, and then compare them to comments made in the Argus. I'm sure there is a big difference. Lastly, please find out what was being said or written and then make an informed opinion. That's how I do things, whether I'm right or wrong, it is my opinion. louise111
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