E-cig ban would be 'unfair' - Newport residents

E-cig ban would be 'unfair' - Newport residents

'INTRUSIVE': Martin Reynolds

'BAN UNFAIR': Jamie Strickland

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THE proposed ban on electronic cigarettes in public places has been branded unfair and intrusive by people in Newport.

The Welsh Government announced proposals to ban the use of electronic cigarettes in enclosed and substantially enclosed public places and places of work as part of their White Paper bill on public health.

Professor Mark Drakeford, health minister, cited concerns that e-cigarettes could normalise smoking behaviour and shared concerns of the impact of e-cigarettes on the enforcement of the smoking ban.

Jamie Strickland, 21, of Pant Road, a volunteer at Friends of St Anne’s Hospice, said: “My mother has been using the e-cigarette for the last six to seven months, she’s slowly been reducing the level of nicotine. It’s completely changed her life. I think it would be unfair, the ban sends the wrong signal to people.”

Martin Reynolds, of Stow Hill, said: “I think this is far too intrusive, it’s people’s decision not the Welsh Government or the governments. I think this ban would create the opposite effect to what the government want. Smokers would not be attracted to e-cigarettes and less people will be making the transfer from cigarettes.”

E-cigarette retailers in Newport say they have seen a growth in customers wanting to use the product to quit smoking tobacco.

Lee Woolls, 44, managing director of Cigg-e, the electronic cigarette shop on Commercial Street, said: “We offer zero nicotine products. The vapour that is exhaled is steam, it doesn’t harm anybody. It’s up to the individual and the business owners to decide whether to allow e-cigarettes on their premises not the Welsh Government. I think it’s a complete overreaction. by them, based on what evidence?”

Electronic cigarettes are devices used as a vaporiser to deliver a chemical mixture typically composed of nicotine and propylene glycol and are offered in various flavours including blueberry.

Darren Millar AM, Welsh Conservative shadow minister for health, said: “We should be giving people a helping hand to quit – not yanking them backwards. Anything that stigmatises those working hard to improve their health should be very carefully examined.”

Other proposals in the White Paper include to make it an offence to deliver a tobacco product ordered online to someone under 18, even if the item was ordered by an adult.

Views are sought through a public consultation which closes on June 24. ‘Listening to you: your health matters’ is available at bit.ly/Od4lha

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11:23am Thu 3 Apr 14

yoda1970 says...

This proposed ban gives completely the wrong impression of electronic cigarettes and their users. Ecigs are a far safer alternative to smoking tobacco, and pose no threat to bystanders who may possibly inhale the vapour. Scientific studies have been done on the effects of second-hand vapour, and if the welsh health minister wants to talk about this subject then he needs to be better informed than he is. All he is doing by going ahead with this ban, is protecting tobacco profits which in turn protects the large amounts that tobacco companies contribute to the government. Why ban something that is proven to be about as harmless as it can get, because it looks like something else? Will he also be banning electric cars because they 'normalise' petrol ones?, or ban sweeteners because they 'normalise' sugar use? Get a grip!
This proposed ban gives completely the wrong impression of electronic cigarettes and their users. Ecigs are a far safer alternative to smoking tobacco, and pose no threat to bystanders who may possibly inhale the vapour. Scientific studies have been done on the effects of second-hand vapour, and if the welsh health minister wants to talk about this subject then he needs to be better informed than he is. All he is doing by going ahead with this ban, is protecting tobacco profits which in turn protects the large amounts that tobacco companies contribute to the government. Why ban something that is proven to be about as harmless as it can get, because it looks like something else? Will he also be banning electric cars because they 'normalise' petrol ones?, or ban sweeteners because they 'normalise' sugar use? Get a grip! yoda1970
  • Score: 25

12:27pm Thu 3 Apr 14

Carsales1313 says...

Hi all just like to add that Dragon-10 Ecig sales in Newport has helped me and lots of my family and friends all stop smoking real fags over the last 2 years.
There is no harm we all feel much better,
And don't smell of smoke anymore.
Dragon-10 liquid is the best I've tried and I've tried a few,and Mark the guy on the outdoor cart in Newport is very helpful.
All non smokers say to me hey there much better than fags coz there's no nasty smell and the smoke just disappears,hence vapour,
Thanks Dragon-10 Ecig sales keep up the good work :-)
Regards ex smoker Andy :-)
Hi all just like to add that Dragon-10 Ecig sales in Newport has helped me and lots of my family and friends all stop smoking real fags over the last 2 years. There is no harm we all feel much better, And don't smell of smoke anymore. Dragon-10 liquid is the best I've tried and I've tried a few,and Mark the guy on the outdoor cart in Newport is very helpful. All non smokers say to me hey there much better than fags coz there's no nasty smell and the smoke just disappears,hence vapour, Thanks Dragon-10 Ecig sales keep up the good work :-) Regards ex smoker Andy :-) Carsales1313
  • Score: 5

3:58pm Thu 3 Apr 14

Unsystematic says...

I converted to e-cigs so I can vape whilst socializing. This would defiantly make cigs much more tempting again which will kill thousands in Wales. Not to mention the loyal e-cig users being exposed to passive smokers. We can not let this happen as it will only benefit the cigarette companies and cancer. Studies have recently proven that e-cigs are the most effective way of winding people of cigarettes so lets not destroy that
I converted to e-cigs so I can vape whilst socializing. This would defiantly make cigs much more tempting again which will kill thousands in Wales. Not to mention the loyal e-cig users being exposed to passive smokers. We can not let this happen as it will only benefit the cigarette companies and cancer. Studies have recently proven that e-cigs are the most effective way of winding people of cigarettes so lets not destroy that Unsystematic
  • Score: 5

9:29pm Thu 3 Apr 14

taff52 says...

I was a smoker who welcomed the ban on smoking tobacco in public places It was legislation based on evidence of the dangers of second hand smoke. This proposed legislation on e cigs however is a totally different matter. The ecig is an invention which if supported and promoted could effectively end tobacco smoking in a couple of decades. To ignore such an opportunity is negligent. If this ban is implemented it will effectively ignore a solution and send people back into smoking perpetuating the problem.. Welsh government if you want to ban the ecig in public places go ahead but do not do it in the name of public heakth
I was a smoker who welcomed the ban on smoking tobacco in public places It was legislation based on evidence of the dangers of second hand smoke. This proposed legislation on e cigs however is a totally different matter. The ecig is an invention which if supported and promoted could effectively end tobacco smoking in a couple of decades. To ignore such an opportunity is negligent. If this ban is implemented it will effectively ignore a solution and send people back into smoking perpetuating the problem.. Welsh government if you want to ban the ecig in public places go ahead but do not do it in the name of public heakth taff52
  • Score: 2

11:08pm Thu 3 Apr 14

Martyn Butler says...

I object to the word dangerous in the question when the majority of the public equate any smoking as dangerous as this is what we have been taught for over 30 years.
FAR more useful would be to report on hysteria and "faketual" anecdotal evidence "emerging" that some youths MIGHT use e-cigs as a "gateway" to real cigarettes.

The proposed ban is UNFAIR and is exactly the opposite of what we should be doing if we want to cute smoking related death in Newport

Any chance the South Wales Argus might publish the facts and let us have a real debate?
I object to the word dangerous in the question when the majority of the public equate any smoking as dangerous as this is what we have been taught for over 30 years. FAR more useful would be to report on hysteria and "faketual" anecdotal evidence "emerging" that some youths MIGHT use e-cigs as a "gateway" to real cigarettes. The proposed ban is UNFAIR and is exactly the opposite of what we should be doing if we want to cute smoking related death in Newport Any chance the South Wales Argus might publish the facts and let us have a real debate? Martyn Butler
  • Score: 2

9:58am Fri 4 Apr 14

Neilgeezer says...

The proposed e-cig ban is badly thought out and would probably do the opposite of what it is trying to do. As soon as you put bans and restrictions in place you then start to place the product in the "forbidden fruit" category and so make it attractive to some youngsters. I have been vaping for 23 months and not had a single cigarette after 38 years of smoking and countless failed attempts at quitting using NRT, Zyban & cold turkey. I have met hundreds of fellow vapers and every single one had been a long term smoker. Vaping is a gateway out of tobacco use, not into it. Sadly the Welsh Government is becoming the laughing stock of the world with this ridiculous ban. Wales is constantly being put down by Westminster politicians for its poor cancer survival rates. Why not turn this around and embrace e-cigs, support their manufacter in Wales and encourage smokers to switch and show the rest of the UK that our population can have the lowest amount of smokers thanks to e-cigs.
The proposed e-cig ban is badly thought out and would probably do the opposite of what it is trying to do. As soon as you put bans and restrictions in place you then start to place the product in the "forbidden fruit" category and so make it attractive to some youngsters. I have been vaping for 23 months and not had a single cigarette after 38 years of smoking and countless failed attempts at quitting using NRT, Zyban & cold turkey. I have met hundreds of fellow vapers and every single one had been a long term smoker. Vaping is a gateway out of tobacco use, not into it. Sadly the Welsh Government is becoming the laughing stock of the world with this ridiculous ban. Wales is constantly being put down by Westminster politicians for its poor cancer survival rates. Why not turn this around and embrace e-cigs, support their manufacter in Wales and encourage smokers to switch and show the rest of the UK that our population can have the lowest amount of smokers thanks to e-cigs. Neilgeezer
  • Score: 2

5:29pm Fri 4 Apr 14

Dragonmum says...

Agreed Neilgeezer - what an opportunity Wales has missed here IF they adopt this benighted White Paper. Some little country somewhere is very soon going to embrace this technology, and its economic future will be assured. Far from waffling about bans they should be offering perks to companies producing and exporting e-cigs. I'm through with making a defence for e-cigs - the facts are known and documented. A 99% safer alternative to smoking - which they have failed to make significant inroads into, let alone eradicate - and the worthy Mr Drakeford has decided that this should be his target. Not the lamentable state of the NHS in Wales, not the unreliable ambulance response time, not the mothers in labour who find a hospital bed if someone can drive them, because there's no transport available when the local unit is full or closed, which happened to my neighbour! Vapers are organised now and we are fighting via the Euopean Free Vaping Initiative - but the point is this should never have happened - in their hurry to repeat their anti-smoking ban "triumph" on the same date, Drakeford and his colleagues have turned Wales into a laughing-stock yet again - I read comments like "You wonder why we think the Welsh thick as black-strap molasses". WE'RE NOT - I wish the same could be said of our politicians. Wales has always had a sad record of pulmonary disease, we probably need the e-cig more than anyone and hundreds of small businesses have sprung up here. Can no-one see the economic benefits - or are there the same forces at work that we see in every area of politics?
Agreed Neilgeezer - what an opportunity Wales has missed here IF they adopt this benighted White Paper. Some little country somewhere is very soon going to embrace this technology, and its economic future will be assured. Far from waffling about bans they should be offering perks to companies producing and exporting e-cigs. I'm through with making a defence for e-cigs - the facts are known and documented. A 99% safer alternative to smoking - which they have failed to make significant inroads into, let alone eradicate - and the worthy Mr Drakeford has decided that this should be his target. Not the lamentable state of the NHS in Wales, not the unreliable ambulance response time, not the mothers in labour who find a hospital bed if someone can drive them, because there's no transport available when the local unit is full or closed, which happened to my neighbour! Vapers are organised now and we are fighting via the Euopean Free Vaping Initiative - but the point is this should never have happened - in their hurry to repeat their anti-smoking ban "triumph" on the same date, Drakeford and his colleagues have turned Wales into a laughing-stock yet again - I read comments like "You wonder why we think the Welsh thick as black-strap molasses". WE'RE NOT - I wish the same could be said of our politicians. Wales has always had a sad record of pulmonary disease, we probably need the e-cig more than anyone and hundreds of small businesses have sprung up here. Can no-one see the economic benefits - or are there the same forces at work that we see in every area of politics? Dragonmum
  • Score: 1

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