UPDATE: Brynmawr bus depot closure puts 77 jobs at risk

South Wales Argus: Brynmawr bus depot closure puts 77 jobs at risk Brynmawr bus depot closure puts 77 jobs at risk

STAGECOACH has announced their Brynmawr bus depot will close this summer, putting 77 jobs at risk and has accused the Welsh Government of being “directly responsible” in the wake of multi-million pound cuts for local bus services.

Stagecoach claims the Welsh Government cut bus service support by 25 per cent last year.

As a result of the cuts, Stagecoach has announced plans to close its Brynmawr depot from July this year. In addition, the company has made a number of service reductions across its network, from July 20 2014, including in Monmouthshire, Torfaen, Caerphilly and Rhondda Cynon Taf.

Last month, the transport minister announced plans to make a £24million cut to the country’s concessionary travel scheme. Stagecoach has since claimed it likely they will mount a legal challenge against the plans unless ministers reverse the decision.

John Gould, managing director of Stagecoach in South Wales, said: “We have warned the Welsh Government for months these misguided cuts would impact severely on people who rely on the bus and on bus workers.

“Ministers’ actions are now directly responsible for potential job losses and placing entire areas at risk of being cut off from bus services. We will keep fighting for the rights of bus passengers in Wales but sadly it is impossible to continue delivering the same level of services for passengers when we are seeing cut after cut in investment in local bus services.

John Gould added: “In the current economic climate, the Welsh Government should be supporting public transport which many people use to access jobs, education, health and leisure facilities. Instead, they have pulled the rug out from underneath the feet of passengers and bus employees.

“The measures we have announced are an absolute last resort and it is with deep regret that we have had to take these decisions.

The company is currently consulting with trade union representatives over the potential impact on jobs.

Unite Wales officer, John Toner called the decision to close the depot “disappointing and distressing news” for their members.

A Welsh Government spokesman said: “As yet, Stagecoach has not formally informed Welsh Government of the threatened closure or service cuts.”

Blaenau Gwent AM Alun Davies said the announcement was "very disappointing news".

He said he was seeking an urgent meeting with Stagecoach to do "all I can to support the company".

He added: "Stagecoach has been an employer in the area for many years and the closure of the depot in Brynmawr would be a great loss to the borough. As I understand, Stagecoach has not formally informed Welsh Government of the threatened closure or service cuts.

"I hope that means there is still a possibility that jobs and services can be saved."

William Graham, assembly member for South East Wales said: “We warned the minster that a new locally funded public transport in Wales was flawed and this is the obvious reaction.

“If they want to improve public transport, then it’s got to be funded.”

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5:05pm Tue 8 Apr 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

Well done Stagecoach - you just lost me as a customer.
Well done Stagecoach - you just lost me as a customer. GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: -16

5:26pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Bobevans says...

As usual no details of the cuts just a vague statement of cuts
As usual no details of the cuts just a vague statement of cuts Bobevans
  • Score: -6

5:49pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Woodgnome says...

Most informed people know that bus services are heavily dependant on govt subsidies. Companies like Stagecoach cannot operate at a loss.
Most informed people know that bus services are heavily dependant on govt subsidies. Companies like Stagecoach cannot operate at a loss. Woodgnome
  • Score: 11

6:04pm Tue 8 Apr 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

Woodgnome wrote:
Most informed people know that bus services are heavily dependant on govt subsidies. Companies like Stagecoach cannot operate at a loss.
A loss? Stagecoach reported profits of over £200m last year in the UK. I don't call that 'a loss'. That's just their coach business. They also have train contracts - tens of millions of pounds more - as well as companies in the States and Canada.
[quote][p][bold]Woodgnome[/bold] wrote: Most informed people know that bus services are heavily dependant on govt subsidies. Companies like Stagecoach cannot operate at a loss.[/p][/quote]A loss? Stagecoach reported profits of over £200m last year in the UK. I don't call that 'a loss'. That's just their coach business. They also have train contracts - tens of millions of pounds more - as well as companies in the States and Canada. GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: -8

6:24pm Tue 8 Apr 14

shadow750 says...

It is not the whole truth , they are probably transferring the work to Blackwood depot, and using this an excuse, which has been on the cards for a while, its all cloak and dagger.
It is not the whole truth , they are probably transferring the work to Blackwood depot, and using this an excuse, which has been on the cards for a while, its all cloak and dagger. shadow750
  • Score: -12

6:35pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Woodgnome says...

There is no profit in under subscribed routes. Stagecoach aren't going to subsidise loss making routes.
There is no profit in under subscribed routes. Stagecoach aren't going to subsidise loss making routes. Woodgnome
  • Score: 10

6:41pm Tue 8 Apr 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

Woodgnome wrote:
There is no profit in under subscribed routes. Stagecoach aren't going to subsidise loss making routes.
Well, if they're going to jeapordise people's public transport, and dozens of jobs, just so they can protect their profit margins - like I said in my first comment, they've lost my business.
[quote][p][bold]Woodgnome[/bold] wrote: There is no profit in under subscribed routes. Stagecoach aren't going to subsidise loss making routes.[/p][/quote]Well, if they're going to jeapordise people's public transport, and dozens of jobs, just so they can protect their profit margins - like I said in my first comment, they've lost my business. GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: -16

6:57pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Aquarius says...

It could be argued that Stagecoach are sacrificing one depot to make a point. It'salso not impossible that they always had plans to close a depot and rationalise the work at remaining depots, so there might be an element of opportunism here on the company's part: ie, make a few good housekeeping plans and blame it all on someone else.

But a lot of blame must go to the Welsh Government too, as they keep telling us all that free bus passes are not at risk etc (while hinting that they might be at risk under a *different* Government). While all the while, they are cutting funding to councils for subsidies on the less 'commercial' routes, cutting fuel rebates, cutting the amount that bus companies get paid per pass-carrying passengers, etc etc.

The bus companies have repeatedly warned the politicans as to what the results would be. The WG have cynically decided to keep fooling the public that their passes are in no danger when both bus operators AND local councils have made it clear that services and jobs are at risk. I assume the WG are hoping that the public will blame those nasty big bus companies (and not the WG). So much for 'social' inclusion under Labour, where in some areas there will be few if any buses to use their passes on...!

There's less and less reason as every month passes to vote for Carwyn and his mob next time round. The dishonesty and cynicism are sickening. If they were honest, it wouldn't be such a bad thing. But they seem to play the electorate for fools, and it'll cost them in the long run.
It could be argued that Stagecoach are sacrificing one depot to make a point. It'salso not impossible that they always had plans to close a depot and rationalise the work at remaining depots, so there might be an element of opportunism here on the company's part: ie, make a few good housekeeping plans and blame it all on someone else. But a lot of blame must go to the Welsh Government too, as they keep telling us all that free bus passes are not at risk etc (while hinting that they might be at risk under a *different* Government). While all the while, they are cutting funding to councils for subsidies on the less 'commercial' routes, cutting fuel rebates, cutting the amount that bus companies get paid per pass-carrying passengers, etc etc. The bus companies have repeatedly warned the politicans as to what the results would be. The WG have cynically decided to keep fooling the public that their passes are in no danger when both bus operators AND local councils have made it clear that services and jobs are at risk. I assume the WG are hoping that the public will blame those nasty big bus companies (and not the WG). So much for 'social' inclusion under Labour, where in some areas there will be few if any buses to use their passes on...! There's less and less reason as every month passes to vote for Carwyn and his mob next time round. The dishonesty and cynicism are sickening. If they were honest, it wouldn't be such a bad thing. But they seem to play the electorate for fools, and it'll cost them in the long run. Aquarius
  • Score: 14

7:10pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Magor says...

Most of the Stagecoach buses I see in Monmouthshire are old wrecks with not many passengers onboard.
Most of the Stagecoach buses I see in Monmouthshire are old wrecks with not many passengers onboard. Magor
  • Score: -8

7:33pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Aquarius says...

Magor wrote:
Most of the Stagecoach buses I see in Monmouthshire are old wrecks with not many passengers onboard.
I'd agree. And its services like that which I suspect face cuts, plus others in areas that you'd not expect cuts. I wonder what morale in the company is like? My neighbours say there has been a noticeable downturn in driver attitudes from Stagecoach drivers and they'd know, travelling with them - on free passes - every day. You'd kind of guess there's a bit more to this story than Stagecoach are letting on.
[quote][p][bold]Magor[/bold] wrote: Most of the Stagecoach buses I see in Monmouthshire are old wrecks with not many passengers onboard.[/p][/quote]I'd agree. And its services like that which I suspect face cuts, plus others in areas that you'd not expect cuts. I wonder what morale in the company is like? My neighbours say there has been a noticeable downturn in driver attitudes from Stagecoach drivers and they'd know, travelling with them - on free passes - every day. You'd kind of guess there's a bit more to this story than Stagecoach are letting on. Aquarius
  • Score: -5

8:24pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Valrep says...

All the buses I see in Torfaen only ever have a handful of passengers on board. I feel the buses run to frequently and must be costing a fortune to keep on the road at times there are three buses going past my door, two x24's and a 23 all heading for Pontypool all polluting the atmosphere whilst clogging up the roads or pavements where they try to squeeze past each other.
All the buses I see in Torfaen only ever have a handful of passengers on board. I feel the buses run to frequently and must be costing a fortune to keep on the road at times there are three buses going past my door, two x24's and a 23 all heading for Pontypool all polluting the atmosphere whilst clogging up the roads or pavements where they try to squeeze past each other. Valrep
  • Score: -10

8:34pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Aquarius says...

Valrep wrote:
All the buses I see in Torfaen only ever have a handful of passengers on board. I feel the buses run to frequently and must be costing a fortune to keep on the road at times there are three buses going past my door, two x24's and a 23 all heading for Pontypool all polluting the atmosphere whilst clogging up the roads or pavements where they try to squeeze past each other.
And you see those buses for a fraction of the time every day that they're actually out working. When they pass you, you have no idea how many passengers were on the bus 5 minutes earlier, or 20 minutes later. And I suspect the newer buses are probably cleaner than many cars.

Stagecoach is a hard headed business. They wouldn't be running buses that didn't make money. And remember that the vast majority of buses in Torfaen run without any council subsidy. There are large parts of Mid and West, and North Wales that can't say the same.
[quote][p][bold]Valrep[/bold] wrote: All the buses I see in Torfaen only ever have a handful of passengers on board. I feel the buses run to frequently and must be costing a fortune to keep on the road at times there are three buses going past my door, two x24's and a 23 all heading for Pontypool all polluting the atmosphere whilst clogging up the roads or pavements where they try to squeeze past each other.[/p][/quote]And you see those buses for a fraction of the time every day that they're actually out working. When they pass you, you have no idea how many passengers were on the bus 5 minutes earlier, or 20 minutes later. And I suspect the newer buses are probably cleaner than many cars. Stagecoach is a hard headed business. They wouldn't be running buses that didn't make money. And remember that the vast majority of buses in Torfaen run without any council subsidy. There are large parts of Mid and West, and North Wales that can't say the same. Aquarius
  • Score: 15

10:11pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Woodgnome says...

Most countries with decent public transport systems heavily subsidise them. That's the reality of it. You can't expect commercial companies to subsidise loss making routes,
Most countries with decent public transport systems heavily subsidise them. That's the reality of it. You can't expect commercial companies to subsidise loss making routes, Woodgnome
  • Score: 11

9:52am Wed 9 Apr 14

manofponty says...

Stagecoach need to follow this up quickly with details of where and when the service cuts are going to be.

As for buses in Torfaen having a "handful of passengers" or running too frequently - what nonsense. My wife is a regular bus user on routes from Pontypool to Newport and it's very often standing room only.
Stagecoach need to follow this up quickly with details of where and when the service cuts are going to be. As for buses in Torfaen having a "handful of passengers" or running too frequently - what nonsense. My wife is a regular bus user on routes from Pontypool to Newport and it's very often standing room only. manofponty
  • Score: 8

10:05am Wed 9 Apr 14

mr david says...

Stagecoach get also get money from government for all the drivers they train ,but they use there own staff to do this it's a lot of money when they have buses all over the uk.
Stagecoach get also get money from government for all the drivers they train ,but they use there own staff to do this it's a lot of money when they have buses all over the uk. mr david
  • Score: -3

12:23pm Wed 9 Apr 14

mvaone says...

GardenVarietyMushroo
m
wrote:
Well done Stagecoach - you just lost me as a customer.
does this mean you stop using every company that makes people redundant ?
[quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: Well done Stagecoach - you just lost me as a customer.[/p][/quote]does this mean you stop using every company that makes people redundant ? mvaone
  • Score: 7

2:32pm Wed 9 Apr 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

mvaone wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo

m
wrote:
Well done Stagecoach - you just lost me as a customer.
does this mean you stop using every company that makes people redundant ?
Well that depends on why they're doing it. In this instance, it's clearly not to save the business, it's being done - I believe - to save rather excessive profits and to give the big FU to the Welsh Assembly. Greed and spite in other words.

But yes, there is a list of companies whose goods and services I boycott, for various reasons. Stagecoach just got added. Why? Do you have a problem with that?
[quote][p][bold]mvaone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: Well done Stagecoach - you just lost me as a customer.[/p][/quote]does this mean you stop using every company that makes people redundant ?[/p][/quote]Well that depends on why they're doing it. In this instance, it's clearly not to save the business, it's being done - I believe - to save rather excessive profits and to give the big FU to the Welsh Assembly. Greed and spite in other words. But yes, there is a list of companies whose goods and services I boycott, for various reasons. Stagecoach just got added. Why? Do you have a problem with that? GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: -2

3:08pm Wed 9 Apr 14

shadow750 says...

Wait and see what they do, as I stated in my previous they will transfer to blackwood retaining most of if not all the routes, saving them the running costs of the depot, plus the profit from the sale of the property, it was always on the cards for this that's why they were so desperate to purchase Islwyn Borough Transport as it is central , and has a good road network to Brynmawr and Tredegar, now the price will be paid for the short comings of the local authority for selling their bus company that they owned,
Wait and see what they do, as I stated in my previous they will transfer to blackwood retaining most of if not all the routes, saving them the running costs of the depot, plus the profit from the sale of the property, it was always on the cards for this that's why they were so desperate to purchase Islwyn Borough Transport as it is central , and has a good road network to Brynmawr and Tredegar, now the price will be paid for the short comings of the local authority for selling their bus company that they owned, shadow750
  • Score: 1

3:59pm Wed 9 Apr 14

Woodgnome says...

GardenVarietyMushroo
m
wrote:
mvaone wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo


m
wrote:
Well done Stagecoach - you just lost me as a customer.
does this mean you stop using every company that makes people redundant ?
Well that depends on why they're doing it. In this instance, it's clearly not to save the business, it's being done - I believe - to save rather excessive profits and to give the big FU to the Welsh Assembly. Greed and spite in other words.

But yes, there is a list of companies whose goods and services I boycott, for various reasons. Stagecoach just got added. Why? Do you have a problem with that?
No, but very puzzling why you go to the length of telling everyone of your boycotts on a public forum.
[quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mvaone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: Well done Stagecoach - you just lost me as a customer.[/p][/quote]does this mean you stop using every company that makes people redundant ?[/p][/quote]Well that depends on why they're doing it. In this instance, it's clearly not to save the business, it's being done - I believe - to save rather excessive profits and to give the big FU to the Welsh Assembly. Greed and spite in other words. But yes, there is a list of companies whose goods and services I boycott, for various reasons. Stagecoach just got added. Why? Do you have a problem with that?[/p][/quote]No, but very puzzling why you go to the length of telling everyone of your boycotts on a public forum. Woodgnome
  • Score: -6

4:05pm Wed 9 Apr 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

Woodgnome wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo

m
wrote:
mvaone wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo



m
wrote:
Well done Stagecoach - you just lost me as a customer.
does this mean you stop using every company that makes people redundant ?
Well that depends on why they're doing it. In this instance, it's clearly not to save the business, it's being done - I believe - to save rather excessive profits and to give the big FU to the Welsh Assembly. Greed and spite in other words.

But yes, there is a list of companies whose goods and services I boycott, for various reasons. Stagecoach just got added. Why? Do you have a problem with that?
No, but very puzzling why you go to the length of telling everyone of your boycotts on a public forum.
Ah, my little pet troll is back. (patpat)

Clearly I was responding to mvaone's question.
[quote][p][bold]Woodgnome[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mvaone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: Well done Stagecoach - you just lost me as a customer.[/p][/quote]does this mean you stop using every company that makes people redundant ?[/p][/quote]Well that depends on why they're doing it. In this instance, it's clearly not to save the business, it's being done - I believe - to save rather excessive profits and to give the big FU to the Welsh Assembly. Greed and spite in other words. But yes, there is a list of companies whose goods and services I boycott, for various reasons. Stagecoach just got added. Why? Do you have a problem with that?[/p][/quote]No, but very puzzling why you go to the length of telling everyone of your boycotts on a public forum.[/p][/quote]Ah, my little pet troll is back. (patpat) Clearly I was responding to mvaone's question. GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: -2

4:10pm Wed 9 Apr 14

Woodgnome says...

Nothing remotely trollish about the comment - why are you so sensitive ?
You started the string and the score speaks for itself!!
I expect you will threaten to break his nose as well!!
Nothing remotely trollish about the comment - why are you so sensitive ? You started the string and the score speaks for itself!! I expect you will threaten to break his nose as well!! Woodgnome
  • Score: 2

4:30pm Wed 9 Apr 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

Woodgnome wrote:
Nothing remotely trollish about the comment - why are you so sensitive ?
You started the string and the score speaks for itself!!
I expect you will threaten to break his nose as well!!
Sorry, when exactly did I threaten to break your nose? I think you'll find no such thing ever happened.
[quote][p][bold]Woodgnome[/bold] wrote: Nothing remotely trollish about the comment - why are you so sensitive ? You started the string and the score speaks for itself!! I expect you will threaten to break his nose as well!![/p][/quote]Sorry, when exactly did I threaten to break your nose? I think you'll find no such thing ever happened. GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: -2

5:14pm Wed 9 Apr 14

Woodgnome says...

I recall it very well - but then I would wouldn't I?
I recall it very well - but then I would wouldn't I? Woodgnome
  • Score: 1

5:22pm Wed 9 Apr 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

Then you recall wrong and you're misrepresenting what I said.

It was the story about Grand Theft Auto - go find it and have another read.
Then you recall wrong and you're misrepresenting what I said. It was the story about Grand Theft Auto - go find it and have another read. GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: -2

8:39pm Wed 9 Apr 14

mvaone says...

GardenVarietyMushroo
m
wrote:
mvaone wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo


m
wrote:
Well done Stagecoach - you just lost me as a customer.
does this mean you stop using every company that makes people redundant ?
Well that depends on why they're doing it. In this instance, it's clearly not to save the business, it's being done - I believe - to save rather excessive profits and to give the big FU to the Welsh Assembly. Greed and spite in other words.

But yes, there is a list of companies whose goods and services I boycott, for various reasons. Stagecoach just got added. Why? Do you have a problem with that?
I don't have a problem with your answer but you really need to look at the whole picture here. Stagecoach have responded to the welsh assembly with regard to the payments that they and EVERY bus operator in Wales receives as part of the free travel scheme that was introduced for OAP'S and people who are disabled. The reason that the depot may close as it is going to run at a loss therefore it makes sense to relocate the work to one bigger depot where the services will still run from but without the running cost incurred by 2 depots. Remember EVERY bus operator in the area is going to suffer so this may well be the start of them withdrawing their services.
[quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mvaone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: Well done Stagecoach - you just lost me as a customer.[/p][/quote]does this mean you stop using every company that makes people redundant ?[/p][/quote]Well that depends on why they're doing it. In this instance, it's clearly not to save the business, it's being done - I believe - to save rather excessive profits and to give the big FU to the Welsh Assembly. Greed and spite in other words. But yes, there is a list of companies whose goods and services I boycott, for various reasons. Stagecoach just got added. Why? Do you have a problem with that?[/p][/quote]I don't have a problem with your answer but you really need to look at the whole picture here. Stagecoach have responded to the welsh assembly with regard to the payments that they and EVERY bus operator in Wales receives as part of the free travel scheme that was introduced for OAP'S and people who are disabled. The reason that the depot may close as it is going to run at a loss therefore it makes sense to relocate the work to one bigger depot where the services will still run from but without the running cost incurred by 2 depots. Remember EVERY bus operator in the area is going to suffer so this may well be the start of them withdrawing their services. mvaone
  • Score: 5

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