Duffryn could be site of Newport Welsh secondary school

POSSIBLE LOCATION: Duffryn could be site of Newport Welsh secondary school

POSSIBLE LOCATION: Duffryn could be site of Newport Welsh secondary school

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PROPOSALS for a Welsh-medium secondary school to be provided at a Newport school site are to be considered on Monday.

Newport council’s cabinet are to be asked to support the further development “in principle” of a plan for Duffryn High School to be refurbished and extended so a new Welsh-medium school can start there.

The plans are at an early stage and would need to be weighed up alongside other proposals for the future of Welsh-medium secondary education in Gwent.

Currently children from Welsh-language schools outside Torfaen face being unable to attend the Welsh-medium secondary school, Ysgol Gyfun Gwynllyw in Pontypool, in 2016 when it will be over-subscribed.

The school currently serves pupils from Blaenau Gwent, Monmouthshire, Torfaen and Newport.

According to cabinet papers the proposal would see the Duffryn site modelled, refurbished and extended to allow alterations to the current premises so a Welsh-medium secondary school can develop there.

A statement issued to Duffryn High School said: “It is intended that each school will operate separately and exclusively.” Council papers show that Governors of Duffryn High and its headteacher are supportive of the use of their site.

The plan follows discussions among South East Wales consortia directors of education and their officers to come up with a solution for increasing demand for Welsh-medium secondary education.

Their preferred option was to develop two sites, one in the north of the region and one in the south. The Newport proposal is a possible option for the south site.

How affordable the scheme would be is being assessed, with funding not yet confirmed by the Welsh Government.

If Welsh Government funding is approved, a seedling school could be open by September 2016.

It isn’t clear yet how much the project would cost, but it is thought Welsh Government match funding and 21st Century Schools cash would be used.

Newport council's cabinet, which is led by Labour leader Bob Bright, will decide at a meeting on Monday whether to support the further development “in principle” of the Duffryn option for inclusion within a regional strategic outline case that will be submitted to the Welsh Government.

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6:48am Thu 8 May 14

Monmouthshire Merlin says...

Hopefully the parents will be happy with this proposal, but I doubt it very much?
Croeso Dyffryn
Hopefully the parents will be happy with this proposal, but I doubt it very much? Croeso Dyffryn Monmouthshire Merlin
  • Score: 1

7:33am Thu 8 May 14

inkyskin says...

couldn't they have chosen one of the better high schools in Newport?
couldn't they have chosen one of the better high schools in Newport? inkyskin
  • Score: -16

8:29am Thu 8 May 14

misslewis says...

So much for Duffryn high school being rebuilt!
So much for Duffryn high school being rebuilt! misslewis
  • Score: 8

10:11am Thu 8 May 14

newporteast says...

Duffryn gets a new school

Ringland gets a new Traveller site

well done Labour
Duffryn gets a new school Ringland gets a new Traveller site well done Labour newporteast
  • Score: 8

10:30am Thu 8 May 14

displayed says...

I know theres gonna be opposition, but the language is dying, its mainly used in the North Wales area where all the media types are educated then shipped into South Wales to infiltrate the capitol!

They only perpetuate the Welsh language culture in Cardiff cos its the capit"Welsh as a first language is largely concentrated in the north and west of Wales, principally Gwynedd, Conwy, Denbighshire (Sir Ddinbych), Anglesey (Ynys Môn), Carmarthenshire (Sir Gâr), north Pembrokeshire (Sir Benfro), Ceredigion, parts of Glamorgan (Morgannwg), and north-west and extreme south-west Powys, although first-language and other fluent speakers can be found throughout Wales."
Since 2000, the teaching of Welsh has been compulsory in all schools in Wales up to age 16, and that has had a major effect in stabilising and to some extent reversing the decline in the language. (See its dying)

http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/File:Welsh_
speakers_in_the_2011
_census.png
"With the Welsh Government hailing the Creative Industries as a priority sector for job creation, and with Gwynedd Council’s push to relocate S4C’s Headquarters out of Cardiff to Caernarfon, what better time for multi-genre broadcasting company Rondo Media (producers of ‘Rownd a Rownd’, ‘The Indian Doctor’ and ‘Gwlad yr Astra Gwyn’) to host a vibrant networking Business Breakfast in Caernarfon for C6, the North Wales Creative Industries Network"

See, Cardiff dont need it, but North Wales does.

After all, were all entitiled to our own opinion, aint we..........

Dioch yn fawr
I know theres gonna be opposition, but the language is dying, its mainly used in the North Wales area where all the media types are educated then shipped into South Wales to infiltrate the capitol! They only perpetuate the Welsh language culture in Cardiff cos its the capit"Welsh as a first language is largely concentrated in the north and west of Wales, principally Gwynedd, Conwy, Denbighshire (Sir Ddinbych), Anglesey (Ynys Môn), Carmarthenshire (Sir Gâr), north Pembrokeshire (Sir Benfro), Ceredigion, parts of Glamorgan (Morgannwg), and north-west and extreme south-west Powys, although first-language and other fluent speakers can be found throughout Wales." Since 2000, the teaching of Welsh has been compulsory in all schools in Wales up to age 16, and that has had a major effect in stabilising and to some extent reversing the decline in the language. (See its dying) http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/File:Welsh_ speakers_in_the_2011 _census.png "With the Welsh Government hailing the Creative Industries as a priority sector for job creation, and with Gwynedd Council’s push to relocate S4C’s Headquarters out of Cardiff to Caernarfon, what better time for multi-genre broadcasting company Rondo Media (producers of ‘Rownd a Rownd’, ‘The Indian Doctor’ and ‘Gwlad yr Astra Gwyn’) to host a vibrant networking Business Breakfast in Caernarfon for C6, the North Wales Creative Industries Network" See, Cardiff dont need it, but North Wales does. After all, were all entitiled to our own opinion, aint we.......... Dioch yn fawr displayed
  • Score: -18

10:45am Thu 8 May 14

Adrian Williams says...

What a waste of money
What a waste of money Adrian Williams
  • Score: -4

12:13pm Thu 8 May 14

Walter Devereux says...

The priority should be to rebuild the crumbling Duffryn High School for the benefit of ALL pupils, not pander to the minority be offering them brand-new facilities. If we must have these ridiculous faith schools and language-indoctrinat
ion schools then the Welsh language and RE should be stripped from the curriculum of mainstream schools. If people want these things, they know where to go...
The priority should be to rebuild the crumbling Duffryn High School for the benefit of ALL pupils, not pander to the minority be offering them brand-new facilities. If we must have these ridiculous faith schools and language-indoctrinat ion schools then the Welsh language and RE should be stripped from the curriculum of mainstream schools. If people want these things, they know where to go... Walter Devereux
  • Score: 5

1:03pm Thu 8 May 14

amandadavies8 says...

Walter Devereux wrote:
The priority should be to rebuild the crumbling Duffryn High School for the benefit of ALL pupils, not pander to the minority be offering them brand-new facilities. If we must have these ridiculous faith schools and language-indoctrinat

ion schools then the Welsh language and RE should be stripped from the curriculum of mainstream schools. If people want these things, they know where to go...
Pander to the minority. (Currently children from Welsh-language schools outside Torfaen face being unable to attend the Welsh-medium secondary school, Ysgol Gyfun Gwynllyw in Pontypool, in 2016 when it will be over-subscribed). Obviously there are now a lot of welsh people attending these schools, as the schools would not be getting over subscribed would they.. My 18 year old has just left gwynllyw... And what a amazing school it is...my 24 year old attended a English school as couldn't get him into the welsh school as it was FULL... Yes all those years ago it was full... And my 2 year old daughter when she becomes of age will be attending the welsh school to.. As the difference between the English and welsh school is unbelievable... As I no as my eldest went to one... The welsh schools are much better.. .. If you dont agree with the welsh school even though you live in WALES not a problem, but no need to slate it for the people that want their children to go there...and don't send your children there.. They obviously need to build a school as the welsh language is becoming more and more popular again... How many English schools are in Newport... The is not one high school as of yet... Is shouldn't be a problem for Newport to have both... Without people getting on there high horses... If you don't want to learn the welsh language not a problem.... Don't spoil it for those who do... And ur comment if people want these things, they no where to go... Yes to a WELSH SCHOOL
[quote][p][bold]Walter Devereux[/bold] wrote: The priority should be to rebuild the crumbling Duffryn High School for the benefit of ALL pupils, not pander to the minority be offering them brand-new facilities. If we must have these ridiculous faith schools and language-indoctrinat ion schools then the Welsh language and RE should be stripped from the curriculum of mainstream schools. If people want these things, they know where to go...[/p][/quote]Pander to the minority. (Currently children from Welsh-language schools outside Torfaen face being unable to attend the Welsh-medium secondary school, Ysgol Gyfun Gwynllyw in Pontypool, in 2016 when it will be over-subscribed). Obviously there are now a lot of welsh people attending these schools, as the schools would not be getting over subscribed would they.. My 18 year old has just left gwynllyw... And what a amazing school it is...my 24 year old attended a English school as couldn't get him into the welsh school as it was FULL... Yes all those years ago it was full... And my 2 year old daughter when she becomes of age will be attending the welsh school to.. As the difference between the English and welsh school is unbelievable... As I no as my eldest went to one... The welsh schools are much better.. .. If you dont agree with the welsh school even though you live in WALES not a problem, but no need to slate it for the people that want their children to go there...and don't send your children there.. They obviously need to build a school as the welsh language is becoming more and more popular again... How many English schools are in Newport... The is not one high school as of yet... Is shouldn't be a problem for Newport to have both... Without people getting on there high horses... If you don't want to learn the welsh language not a problem.... Don't spoil it for those who do... And ur comment if people want these things, they no where to go... Yes to a WELSH SCHOOL amandadavies8
  • Score: 39

1:23pm Thu 8 May 14

Bobbey says...

displayed wrote:
I know theres gonna be opposition, but the language is dying, its mainly used in the North Wales area where all the media types are educated then shipped into South Wales to infiltrate the capitol!

They only perpetuate the Welsh language culture in Cardiff cos its the capit"Welsh as a first language is largely concentrated in the north and west of Wales, principally Gwynedd, Conwy, Denbighshire (Sir Ddinbych), Anglesey (Ynys Môn), Carmarthenshire (Sir Gâr), north Pembrokeshire (Sir Benfro), Ceredigion, parts of Glamorgan (Morgannwg), and north-west and extreme south-west Powys, although first-language and other fluent speakers can be found throughout Wales."
Since 2000, the teaching of Welsh has been compulsory in all schools in Wales up to age 16, and that has had a major effect in stabilising and to some extent reversing the decline in the language. (See its dying)

http://en.wikipedia.

org/wiki/File:Welsh_

speakers_in_the_2011

_census.png
"With the Welsh Government hailing the Creative Industries as a priority sector for job creation, and with Gwynedd Council’s push to relocate S4C’s Headquarters out of Cardiff to Caernarfon, what better time for multi-genre broadcasting company Rondo Media (producers of ‘Rownd a Rownd’, ‘The Indian Doctor’ and ‘Gwlad yr Astra Gwyn’) to host a vibrant networking Business Breakfast in Caernarfon for C6, the North Wales Creative Industries Network"

See, Cardiff dont need it, but North Wales does.

After all, were all entitiled to our own opinion, aint we..........

Dioch yn fawr
I think you`ll find that the school will be full of children whose taxpaying parents want them to receive a Welsh medium education as is their right. If you don`t like it perhaps you could move (back?) to someplace where there`s no Welsh schools. You wouldn`t have to go far.
[quote][p][bold]displayed[/bold] wrote: I know theres gonna be opposition, but the language is dying, its mainly used in the North Wales area where all the media types are educated then shipped into South Wales to infiltrate the capitol! They only perpetuate the Welsh language culture in Cardiff cos its the capit"Welsh as a first language is largely concentrated in the north and west of Wales, principally Gwynedd, Conwy, Denbighshire (Sir Ddinbych), Anglesey (Ynys Môn), Carmarthenshire (Sir Gâr), north Pembrokeshire (Sir Benfro), Ceredigion, parts of Glamorgan (Morgannwg), and north-west and extreme south-west Powys, although first-language and other fluent speakers can be found throughout Wales." Since 2000, the teaching of Welsh has been compulsory in all schools in Wales up to age 16, and that has had a major effect in stabilising and to some extent reversing the decline in the language. (See its dying) http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/File:Welsh_ speakers_in_the_2011 _census.png "With the Welsh Government hailing the Creative Industries as a priority sector for job creation, and with Gwynedd Council’s push to relocate S4C’s Headquarters out of Cardiff to Caernarfon, what better time for multi-genre broadcasting company Rondo Media (producers of ‘Rownd a Rownd’, ‘The Indian Doctor’ and ‘Gwlad yr Astra Gwyn’) to host a vibrant networking Business Breakfast in Caernarfon for C6, the North Wales Creative Industries Network" See, Cardiff dont need it, but North Wales does. After all, were all entitiled to our own opinion, aint we.......... Dioch yn fawr[/p][/quote]I think you`ll find that the school will be full of children whose taxpaying parents want them to receive a Welsh medium education as is their right. If you don`t like it perhaps you could move (back?) to someplace where there`s no Welsh schools. You wouldn`t have to go far. Bobbey
  • Score: 22

1:33pm Thu 8 May 14

Lliswerry Man says...

Ref Bobbey above,

I grew up in Duffryn, attended Duffryn High School, as did my father before me, we do not have to "GO back anywhere", what needs to go, is this insistence, that we all learn WELSH......
I am 46, and NEVER found a need for it, the English language has worked fine for me so far.
It just seems to be those with the loudest voices, usually in Welsh, ranting about how good it is, my question is AT what cost?
The welsh speaking taxpayers "talked about above" really are in the Minority....so its US English speakers who will be paying the bulk of any such "new building to learn a language that should have died the death by now" .. in my humble opinion.

Show me a real good use for the language? one that brings MONEY into the country?...... and benefits ALL in Wales.
Ref Bobbey above, I grew up in Duffryn, attended Duffryn High School, as did my father before me, we do not have to "GO back anywhere", what needs to go, is this insistence, that we all learn WELSH...... I am 46, and NEVER found a need for it, the English language has worked fine for me so far. It just seems to be those with the loudest voices, usually in Welsh, ranting about how good it is, my question is AT what cost? The welsh speaking taxpayers "talked about above" really are in the Minority....so its US English speakers who will be paying the bulk of any such "new building to learn a language that should have died the death by now" .. in my humble opinion. Show me a real good use for the language? one that brings MONEY into the country?...... and benefits ALL in Wales. Lliswerry Man
  • Score: -14

1:34pm Thu 8 May 14

mills191184 says...

Adrian Williams wrote:
What a waste of money
Ensuring there is enough facilities to educate children, regardless of the language it's delivered in, is a waste of money?!

Brilliant comment
[quote][p][bold]Adrian Williams[/bold] wrote: What a waste of money[/p][/quote]Ensuring there is enough facilities to educate children, regardless of the language it's delivered in, is a waste of money?! Brilliant comment mills191184
  • Score: 21

1:51pm Thu 8 May 14

Floppy backed says...

how about concentrating on building a school that concentrates on sport and practical skills - giving children a job either in the community or in the world and not centered on academic achievements. And as for teaching welsh well its not forward think is it? Its a chose if you chose to speak welsh then carry on but stop forcing it down on us Welsh english speakers.

You may want to hold on to the language while I'm sorry to say we no longer use horse and cart for a reason. its called progress and we all have to encounter this in everyday. Move on, you speak welsh in the home etc but stop shoving it down on our kids who should be concentrating on basic education and teachers agree with this also. They do not want to teach welsh in schools it takes up valuable time when 30 in a class need full attention in the basics. Good teachers are exactly that and need to be employed by a school for their ability not whether they are flaunt in welsh.

The majority of Wales want to speak and stay english speaking and diverting valuable funds from the education budget is complete madness when every penny counts.

The WAG havent many fans as far I know and this is just another reason to get rid of the muppets.
how about concentrating on building a school that concentrates on sport and practical skills - giving children a job either in the community or in the world and not centered on academic achievements. And as for teaching welsh well its not forward think is it? Its a chose if you chose to speak welsh then carry on but stop forcing it down on us Welsh english speakers. You may want to hold on to the language while I'm sorry to say we no longer use horse and cart for a reason. its called progress and we all have to encounter this in everyday. Move on, you speak welsh in the home etc but stop shoving it down on our kids who should be concentrating on basic education and teachers agree with this also. They do not want to teach welsh in schools it takes up valuable time when 30 in a class need full attention in the basics. Good teachers are exactly that and need to be employed by a school for their ability not whether they are flaunt in welsh. The majority of Wales want to speak and stay english speaking and diverting valuable funds from the education budget is complete madness when every penny counts. The WAG havent many fans as far I know and this is just another reason to get rid of the muppets. Floppy backed
  • Score: -15

1:57pm Thu 8 May 14

Llanmartinangel says...

No problem with people sending their kids to a Welsh medium school as long as they aren't disproportionately better funded. But the quid-pro-quo should be that they drop the compulsory lessons to kids in English speaking ones, that way parents do get a clear choice. After all, most people have higher aspirations for their children than for them to have taxpayer funded jobs in Cerredigion or Cardiff Bay and statistically, many of them will finish up living and working elsewhere in the UK and never use the language again anyway.
No problem with people sending their kids to a Welsh medium school as long as they aren't disproportionately better funded. But the quid-pro-quo should be that they drop the compulsory lessons to kids in English speaking ones, that way parents do get a clear choice. After all, most people have higher aspirations for their children than for them to have taxpayer funded jobs in Cerredigion or Cardiff Bay and statistically, many of them will finish up living and working elsewhere in the UK and never use the language again anyway. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 2

2:08pm Thu 8 May 14

amandadavies8 says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
No problem with people sending their kids to a Welsh medium school as long as they aren't disproportionately better funded. But the quid-pro-quo should be that they drop the compulsory lessons to kids in English speaking ones, that way parents do get a clear choice. After all, most people have higher aspirations for their children than for them to have taxpayer funded jobs in Cerredigion or Cardiff Bay and statistically, many of them will finish up living and working elsewhere in the UK and never use the language again anyway.
Should they drop French, Spanish and German to .... Or is it just the welsh language u would like to see dropped from all schools in Wales ....
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: No problem with people sending their kids to a Welsh medium school as long as they aren't disproportionately better funded. But the quid-pro-quo should be that they drop the compulsory lessons to kids in English speaking ones, that way parents do get a clear choice. After all, most people have higher aspirations for their children than for them to have taxpayer funded jobs in Cerredigion or Cardiff Bay and statistically, many of them will finish up living and working elsewhere in the UK and never use the language again anyway.[/p][/quote]Should they drop French, Spanish and German to .... Or is it just the welsh language u would like to see dropped from all schools in Wales .... amandadavies8
  • Score: 8

2:14pm Thu 8 May 14

Rjames27 says...

It would seem that from the demand for ANOTHER Welsh medium secondary school in the area, it is far from a "dying" language.
It would seem that from the demand for ANOTHER Welsh medium secondary school in the area, it is far from a "dying" language. Rjames27
  • Score: 25

2:17pm Thu 8 May 14

amandadavies8 says...

Floppy backed wrote:
how about concentrating on building a school that concentrates on sport and practical skills - giving children a job either in the community or in the world and not centered on academic achievements. And as for teaching welsh well its not forward think is it? Its a chose if you chose to speak welsh then carry on but stop forcing it down on us Welsh english speakers.

You may want to hold on to the language while I'm sorry to say we no longer use horse and cart for a reason. its called progress and we all have to encounter this in everyday. Move on, you speak welsh in the home etc but stop shoving it down on our kids who should be concentrating on basic education and teachers agree with this also. They do not want to teach welsh in schools it takes up valuable time when 30 in a class need full attention in the basics. Good teachers are exactly that and need to be employed by a school for their ability not whether they are flaunt in welsh.

The majority of Wales want to speak and stay english speaking and diverting valuable funds from the education budget is complete madness when every penny counts.

The WAG havent many fans as far I know and this is just another reason to get rid of the muppets.
Nobody is forcing you to speak welsh... This article is about a school, whose families would like to send their children to, a welsh speaking school.... And the only people that think the welsh language is dead... Are people that do not pay attention... And as I still go back and fourth schools I see that there are a lot of adults and children that still want to learn the language...and why are they trying to find a site for a welsh high school, IF THE LANGUAGE WAS DEAD... They would be no need of the school,. If you don't want to learn the language DONT .... But let the ones that do DO...
[quote][p][bold]Floppy backed[/bold] wrote: how about concentrating on building a school that concentrates on sport and practical skills - giving children a job either in the community or in the world and not centered on academic achievements. And as for teaching welsh well its not forward think is it? Its a chose if you chose to speak welsh then carry on but stop forcing it down on us Welsh english speakers. You may want to hold on to the language while I'm sorry to say we no longer use horse and cart for a reason. its called progress and we all have to encounter this in everyday. Move on, you speak welsh in the home etc but stop shoving it down on our kids who should be concentrating on basic education and teachers agree with this also. They do not want to teach welsh in schools it takes up valuable time when 30 in a class need full attention in the basics. Good teachers are exactly that and need to be employed by a school for their ability not whether they are flaunt in welsh. The majority of Wales want to speak and stay english speaking and diverting valuable funds from the education budget is complete madness when every penny counts. The WAG havent many fans as far I know and this is just another reason to get rid of the muppets.[/p][/quote]Nobody is forcing you to speak welsh... This article is about a school, whose families would like to send their children to, a welsh speaking school.... And the only people that think the welsh language is dead... Are people that do not pay attention... And as I still go back and fourth schools I see that there are a lot of adults and children that still want to learn the language...and why are they trying to find a site for a welsh high school, IF THE LANGUAGE WAS DEAD... They would be no need of the school,. If you don't want to learn the language DONT .... But let the ones that do DO... amandadavies8
  • Score: 27

2:27pm Thu 8 May 14

amandadavies8 says...

amandadavies8 wrote:
Floppy backed wrote:
how about concentrating on building a school that concentrates on sport and practical skills - giving children a job either in the community or in the world and not centered on academic achievements. And as for teaching welsh well its not forward think is it? Its a chose if you chose to speak welsh then carry on but stop forcing it down on us Welsh english speakers.

You may want to hold on to the language while I'm sorry to say we no longer use horse and cart for a reason. its called progress and we all have to encounter this in everyday. Move on, you speak welsh in the home etc but stop shoving it down on our kids who should be concentrating on basic education and teachers agree with this also. They do not want to teach welsh in schools it takes up valuable time when 30 in a class need full attention in the basics. Good teachers are exactly that and need to be employed by a school for their ability not whether they are flaunt in welsh.

The majority of Wales want to speak and stay english speaking and diverting valuable funds from the education budget is complete madness when every penny counts.

The WAG havent many fans as far I know and this is just another reason to get rid of the muppets.
Nobody is forcing you to speak welsh... This article is about a school, whose families would like to send their children to, a welsh speaking school.... And the only people that think the welsh language is dead... Are people that do not pay attention... And as I still go back and fourth schools I see that there are a lot of adults and children that still want to learn the language...and why are they trying to find a site for a welsh high school, IF THE LANGUAGE WAS DEAD... They would be no need of the school,. If you don't want to learn the language DONT .... But let the ones that do DO...
And believe it or not they are taught the basic education in welsh schools to... They don't just learn welsh... My son by the time he was 11... Was learning WELSH, English, Spanish and French. And all the other subjects ... He at the moment has passed his A levels and has played for the Dragons Academy , for pontypool district rfc... And I cannot thank the welsh school for everything they have done to teach him and support him...
[quote][p][bold]amandadavies8[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Floppy backed[/bold] wrote: how about concentrating on building a school that concentrates on sport and practical skills - giving children a job either in the community or in the world and not centered on academic achievements. And as for teaching welsh well its not forward think is it? Its a chose if you chose to speak welsh then carry on but stop forcing it down on us Welsh english speakers. You may want to hold on to the language while I'm sorry to say we no longer use horse and cart for a reason. its called progress and we all have to encounter this in everyday. Move on, you speak welsh in the home etc but stop shoving it down on our kids who should be concentrating on basic education and teachers agree with this also. They do not want to teach welsh in schools it takes up valuable time when 30 in a class need full attention in the basics. Good teachers are exactly that and need to be employed by a school for their ability not whether they are flaunt in welsh. The majority of Wales want to speak and stay english speaking and diverting valuable funds from the education budget is complete madness when every penny counts. The WAG havent many fans as far I know and this is just another reason to get rid of the muppets.[/p][/quote]Nobody is forcing you to speak welsh... This article is about a school, whose families would like to send their children to, a welsh speaking school.... And the only people that think the welsh language is dead... Are people that do not pay attention... And as I still go back and fourth schools I see that there are a lot of adults and children that still want to learn the language...and why are they trying to find a site for a welsh high school, IF THE LANGUAGE WAS DEAD... They would be no need of the school,. If you don't want to learn the language DONT .... But let the ones that do DO...[/p][/quote]And believe it or not they are taught the basic education in welsh schools to... They don't just learn welsh... My son by the time he was 11... Was learning WELSH, English, Spanish and French. And all the other subjects ... He at the moment has passed his A levels and has played for the Dragons Academy , for pontypool district rfc... And I cannot thank the welsh school for everything they have done to teach him and support him... amandadavies8
  • Score: 26

2:33pm Thu 8 May 14

Bobbey says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
No problem with people sending their kids to a Welsh medium school as long as they aren't disproportionately better funded. But the quid-pro-quo should be that they drop the compulsory lessons to kids in English speaking ones, that way parents do get a clear choice. After all, most people have higher aspirations for their children than for them to have taxpayer funded jobs in Cerredigion or Cardiff Bay and statistically, many of them will finish up living and working elsewhere in the UK and never use the language again anyway.
Disproportionately better funded? Are you having a laugh? Yet another second hand school turned over to Welsh medium education
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: No problem with people sending their kids to a Welsh medium school as long as they aren't disproportionately better funded. But the quid-pro-quo should be that they drop the compulsory lessons to kids in English speaking ones, that way parents do get a clear choice. After all, most people have higher aspirations for their children than for them to have taxpayer funded jobs in Cerredigion or Cardiff Bay and statistically, many of them will finish up living and working elsewhere in the UK and never use the language again anyway.[/p][/quote]Disproportionately better funded? Are you having a laugh? Yet another second hand school turned over to Welsh medium education Bobbey
  • Score: 26

2:35pm Thu 8 May 14

Bobbey says...

Floppy backed wrote:
how about concentrating on building a school that concentrates on sport and practical skills - giving children a job either in the community or in the world and not centered on academic achievements. And as for teaching welsh well its not forward think is it? Its a chose if you chose to speak welsh then carry on but stop forcing it down on us Welsh english speakers.

You may want to hold on to the language while I'm sorry to say we no longer use horse and cart for a reason. its called progress and we all have to encounter this in everyday. Move on, you speak welsh in the home etc but stop shoving it down on our kids who should be concentrating on basic education and teachers agree with this also. They do not want to teach welsh in schools it takes up valuable time when 30 in a class need full attention in the basics. Good teachers are exactly that and need to be employed by a school for their ability not whether they are flaunt in welsh.

The majority of Wales want to speak and stay english speaking and diverting valuable funds from the education budget is complete madness when every penny counts.

The WAG havent many fans as far I know and this is just another reason to get rid of the muppets.
About a quarter of children in Wales are in Welsh medium education. That must add up to a lot of misguided, taxpaying parents.
[quote][p][bold]Floppy backed[/bold] wrote: how about concentrating on building a school that concentrates on sport and practical skills - giving children a job either in the community or in the world and not centered on academic achievements. And as for teaching welsh well its not forward think is it? Its a chose if you chose to speak welsh then carry on but stop forcing it down on us Welsh english speakers. You may want to hold on to the language while I'm sorry to say we no longer use horse and cart for a reason. its called progress and we all have to encounter this in everyday. Move on, you speak welsh in the home etc but stop shoving it down on our kids who should be concentrating on basic education and teachers agree with this also. They do not want to teach welsh in schools it takes up valuable time when 30 in a class need full attention in the basics. Good teachers are exactly that and need to be employed by a school for their ability not whether they are flaunt in welsh. The majority of Wales want to speak and stay english speaking and diverting valuable funds from the education budget is complete madness when every penny counts. The WAG havent many fans as far I know and this is just another reason to get rid of the muppets.[/p][/quote]About a quarter of children in Wales are in Welsh medium education. That must add up to a lot of misguided, taxpaying parents. Bobbey
  • Score: 0

2:39pm Thu 8 May 14

Llanmartinangel says...

Bobbey wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
No problem with people sending their kids to a Welsh medium school as long as they aren't disproportionately better funded. But the quid-pro-quo should be that they drop the compulsory lessons to kids in English speaking ones, that way parents do get a clear choice. After all, most people have higher aspirations for their children than for them to have taxpayer funded jobs in Cerredigion or Cardiff Bay and statistically, many of them will finish up living and working elsewhere in the UK and never use the language again anyway.
Disproportionately better funded? Are you having a laugh? Yet another second hand school turned over to Welsh medium education
Trouble reading? What I actually said was 'as long as they aren't disproportionally better funded' which isn't the same as suggesting that they are. If that is what I had meant then that is what I would have said.
[quote][p][bold]Bobbey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: No problem with people sending their kids to a Welsh medium school as long as they aren't disproportionately better funded. But the quid-pro-quo should be that they drop the compulsory lessons to kids in English speaking ones, that way parents do get a clear choice. After all, most people have higher aspirations for their children than for them to have taxpayer funded jobs in Cerredigion or Cardiff Bay and statistically, many of them will finish up living and working elsewhere in the UK and never use the language again anyway.[/p][/quote]Disproportionately better funded? Are you having a laugh? Yet another second hand school turned over to Welsh medium education[/p][/quote]Trouble reading? What I actually said was 'as long as they aren't disproportionally better funded' which isn't the same as suggesting that they are. If that is what I had meant then that is what I would have said. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: -3

2:52pm Thu 8 May 14

Llanmartinangel says...

amandadavies8 wrote:
Floppy backed wrote:
how about concentrating on building a school that concentrates on sport and practical skills - giving children a job either in the community or in the world and not centered on academic achievements. And as for teaching welsh well its not forward think is it? Its a chose if you chose to speak welsh then carry on but stop forcing it down on us Welsh english speakers.

You may want to hold on to the language while I'm sorry to say we no longer use horse and cart for a reason. its called progress and we all have to encounter this in everyday. Move on, you speak welsh in the home etc but stop shoving it down on our kids who should be concentrating on basic education and teachers agree with this also. They do not want to teach welsh in schools it takes up valuable time when 30 in a class need full attention in the basics. Good teachers are exactly that and need to be employed by a school for their ability not whether they are flaunt in welsh.

The majority of Wales want to speak and stay english speaking and diverting valuable funds from the education budget is complete madness when every penny counts.

The WAG havent many fans as far I know and this is just another reason to get rid of the muppets.
Nobody is forcing you to speak welsh... This article is about a school, whose families would like to send their children to, a welsh speaking school.... And the only people that think the welsh language is dead... Are people that do not pay attention... And as I still go back and fourth schools I see that there are a lot of adults and children that still want to learn the language...and why are they trying to find a site for a welsh high school, IF THE LANGUAGE WAS DEAD... They would be no need of the school,. If you don't want to learn the language DONT .... But let the ones that do DO...
'Nobody is forcing you to speak welsh..'

Are you for real?? That's exactly what they are doing to thousands of kids every day. I sent mine to private school to avoid it. Not everyone has that luxury.
[quote][p][bold]amandadavies8[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Floppy backed[/bold] wrote: how about concentrating on building a school that concentrates on sport and practical skills - giving children a job either in the community or in the world and not centered on academic achievements. And as for teaching welsh well its not forward think is it? Its a chose if you chose to speak welsh then carry on but stop forcing it down on us Welsh english speakers. You may want to hold on to the language while I'm sorry to say we no longer use horse and cart for a reason. its called progress and we all have to encounter this in everyday. Move on, you speak welsh in the home etc but stop shoving it down on our kids who should be concentrating on basic education and teachers agree with this also. They do not want to teach welsh in schools it takes up valuable time when 30 in a class need full attention in the basics. Good teachers are exactly that and need to be employed by a school for their ability not whether they are flaunt in welsh. The majority of Wales want to speak and stay english speaking and diverting valuable funds from the education budget is complete madness when every penny counts. The WAG havent many fans as far I know and this is just another reason to get rid of the muppets.[/p][/quote]Nobody is forcing you to speak welsh... This article is about a school, whose families would like to send their children to, a welsh speaking school.... And the only people that think the welsh language is dead... Are people that do not pay attention... And as I still go back and fourth schools I see that there are a lot of adults and children that still want to learn the language...and why are they trying to find a site for a welsh high school, IF THE LANGUAGE WAS DEAD... They would be no need of the school,. If you don't want to learn the language DONT .... But let the ones that do DO...[/p][/quote]'Nobody is forcing you to speak welsh..' Are you for real?? That's exactly what they are doing to thousands of kids every day. I sent mine to private school to avoid it. Not everyone has that luxury. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: -11

3:11pm Thu 8 May 14

amandadavies8 says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
amandadavies8 wrote:
Floppy backed wrote:
how about concentrating on building a school that concentrates on sport and practical skills - giving children a job either in the community or in the world and not centered on academic achievements. And as for teaching welsh well its not forward think is it? Its a chose if you chose to speak welsh then carry on but stop forcing it down on us Welsh english speakers.

You may want to hold on to the language while I'm sorry to say we no longer use horse and cart for a reason. its called progress and we all have to encounter this in everyday. Move on, you speak welsh in the home etc but stop shoving it down on our kids who should be concentrating on basic education and teachers agree with this also. They do not want to teach welsh in schools it takes up valuable time when 30 in a class need full attention in the basics. Good teachers are exactly that and need to be employed by a school for their ability not whether they are flaunt in welsh.

The majority of Wales want to speak and stay english speaking and diverting valuable funds from the education budget is complete madness when every penny counts.

The WAG havent many fans as far I know and this is just another reason to get rid of the muppets.
Nobody is forcing you to speak welsh... This article is about a school, whose families would like to send their children to, a welsh speaking school.... And the only people that think the welsh language is dead... Are people that do not pay attention... And as I still go back and fourth schools I see that there are a lot of adults and children that still want to learn the language...and why are they trying to find a site for a welsh high school, IF THE LANGUAGE WAS DEAD... They would be no need of the school,. If you don't want to learn the language DONT .... But let the ones that do DO...
'Nobody is forcing you to speak welsh..'

Are you for real?? That's exactly what they are doing to thousands of kids every day. I sent mine to private school to avoid it. Not everyone has that luxury.
So we are all forced to learn maths English and all the other subjects as well then. If you want to look at it like that ....
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]amandadavies8[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Floppy backed[/bold] wrote: how about concentrating on building a school that concentrates on sport and practical skills - giving children a job either in the community or in the world and not centered on academic achievements. And as for teaching welsh well its not forward think is it? Its a chose if you chose to speak welsh then carry on but stop forcing it down on us Welsh english speakers. You may want to hold on to the language while I'm sorry to say we no longer use horse and cart for a reason. its called progress and we all have to encounter this in everyday. Move on, you speak welsh in the home etc but stop shoving it down on our kids who should be concentrating on basic education and teachers agree with this also. They do not want to teach welsh in schools it takes up valuable time when 30 in a class need full attention in the basics. Good teachers are exactly that and need to be employed by a school for their ability not whether they are flaunt in welsh. The majority of Wales want to speak and stay english speaking and diverting valuable funds from the education budget is complete madness when every penny counts. The WAG havent many fans as far I know and this is just another reason to get rid of the muppets.[/p][/quote]Nobody is forcing you to speak welsh... This article is about a school, whose families would like to send their children to, a welsh speaking school.... And the only people that think the welsh language is dead... Are people that do not pay attention... And as I still go back and fourth schools I see that there are a lot of adults and children that still want to learn the language...and why are they trying to find a site for a welsh high school, IF THE LANGUAGE WAS DEAD... They would be no need of the school,. If you don't want to learn the language DONT .... But let the ones that do DO...[/p][/quote]'Nobody is forcing you to speak welsh..' Are you for real?? That's exactly what they are doing to thousands of kids every day. I sent mine to private school to avoid it. Not everyone has that luxury.[/p][/quote]So we are all forced to learn maths English and all the other subjects as well then. If you want to look at it like that .... amandadavies8
  • Score: 2

3:56pm Thu 8 May 14

Goat Man says...

Parents with zero interest in the Welsh Language are sending their children to Welsh medium schools because they know they are going to get a better education there than at an equivalent English medium school.
Not sure if this is down to funding and facilities or that the quality of the teachers that teach in welsh ?
I just wish that both mediiums are of the same standard and parents who send their children to Welsh schools do so for genuine care for the language and not simply because of their 'better' standards.
I think that if this was the case then there would be few / no Welsh schools in Gwent
Parents with zero interest in the Welsh Language are sending their children to Welsh medium schools because they know they are going to get a better education there than at an equivalent English medium school. Not sure if this is down to funding and facilities or that the quality of the teachers that teach in welsh ? I just wish that both mediiums are of the same standard and parents who send their children to Welsh schools do so for genuine care for the language and not simply because of their 'better' standards. I think that if this was the case then there would be few / no Welsh schools in Gwent Goat Man
  • Score: 4

4:02pm Thu 8 May 14

Llanmartinangel says...

amandadavies8 wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
amandadavies8 wrote:
Floppy backed wrote:
how about concentrating on building a school that concentrates on sport and practical skills - giving children a job either in the community or in the world and not centered on academic achievements. And as for teaching welsh well its not forward think is it? Its a chose if you chose to speak welsh then carry on but stop forcing it down on us Welsh english speakers.

You may want to hold on to the language while I'm sorry to say we no longer use horse and cart for a reason. its called progress and we all have to encounter this in everyday. Move on, you speak welsh in the home etc but stop shoving it down on our kids who should be concentrating on basic education and teachers agree with this also. They do not want to teach welsh in schools it takes up valuable time when 30 in a class need full attention in the basics. Good teachers are exactly that and need to be employed by a school for their ability not whether they are flaunt in welsh.

The majority of Wales want to speak and stay english speaking and diverting valuable funds from the education budget is complete madness when every penny counts.

The WAG havent many fans as far I know and this is just another reason to get rid of the muppets.
Nobody is forcing you to speak welsh... This article is about a school, whose families would like to send their children to, a welsh speaking school.... And the only people that think the welsh language is dead... Are people that do not pay attention... And as I still go back and fourth schools I see that there are a lot of adults and children that still want to learn the language...and why are they trying to find a site for a welsh high school, IF THE LANGUAGE WAS DEAD... They would be no need of the school,. If you don't want to learn the language DONT .... But let the ones that do DO...
'Nobody is forcing you to speak welsh..'

Are you for real?? That's exactly what they are doing to thousands of kids every day. I sent mine to private school to avoid it. Not everyone has that luxury.
So we are all forced to learn maths English and all the other subjects as well then. If you want to look at it like that ....
Err Maths and English are internationally recognised core subjects. There isn't a country in the World that doesn't teach maths and English is the most widely spoken and taught language. Welsh has no practical use that anyone on here has managed to articulate, other than 'it's my heritage'. You aren't really demonstrating the quality of your own education here are you.
[quote][p][bold]amandadavies8[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]amandadavies8[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Floppy backed[/bold] wrote: how about concentrating on building a school that concentrates on sport and practical skills - giving children a job either in the community or in the world and not centered on academic achievements. And as for teaching welsh well its not forward think is it? Its a chose if you chose to speak welsh then carry on but stop forcing it down on us Welsh english speakers. You may want to hold on to the language while I'm sorry to say we no longer use horse and cart for a reason. its called progress and we all have to encounter this in everyday. Move on, you speak welsh in the home etc but stop shoving it down on our kids who should be concentrating on basic education and teachers agree with this also. They do not want to teach welsh in schools it takes up valuable time when 30 in a class need full attention in the basics. Good teachers are exactly that and need to be employed by a school for their ability not whether they are flaunt in welsh. The majority of Wales want to speak and stay english speaking and diverting valuable funds from the education budget is complete madness when every penny counts. The WAG havent many fans as far I know and this is just another reason to get rid of the muppets.[/p][/quote]Nobody is forcing you to speak welsh... This article is about a school, whose families would like to send their children to, a welsh speaking school.... And the only people that think the welsh language is dead... Are people that do not pay attention... And as I still go back and fourth schools I see that there are a lot of adults and children that still want to learn the language...and why are they trying to find a site for a welsh high school, IF THE LANGUAGE WAS DEAD... They would be no need of the school,. If you don't want to learn the language DONT .... But let the ones that do DO...[/p][/quote]'Nobody is forcing you to speak welsh..' Are you for real?? That's exactly what they are doing to thousands of kids every day. I sent mine to private school to avoid it. Not everyone has that luxury.[/p][/quote]So we are all forced to learn maths English and all the other subjects as well then. If you want to look at it like that ....[/p][/quote]Err Maths and English are internationally recognised core subjects. There isn't a country in the World that doesn't teach maths and English is the most widely spoken and taught language. Welsh has no practical use that anyone on here has managed to articulate, other than 'it's my heritage'. You aren't really demonstrating the quality of your own education here are you. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 3

4:08pm Thu 8 May 14

MattGray says...

amandadavies8 wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
No problem with people sending their kids to a Welsh medium school as long as they aren't disproportionately better funded. But the quid-pro-quo should be that they drop the compulsory lessons to kids in English speaking ones, that way parents do get a clear choice. After all, most people have higher aspirations for their children than for them to have taxpayer funded jobs in Cerredigion or Cardiff Bay and statistically, many of them will finish up living and working elsewhere in the UK and never use the language again anyway.
Should they drop French, Spanish and German to .... Or is it just the welsh language u would like to see dropped from all schools in Wales ....
Other languages are just options in Key stage 4, whereas Welsh is compulsory. It shouldn't be in English medium schools, I think they should have the choice to opt out.
[quote][p][bold]amandadavies8[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: No problem with people sending their kids to a Welsh medium school as long as they aren't disproportionately better funded. But the quid-pro-quo should be that they drop the compulsory lessons to kids in English speaking ones, that way parents do get a clear choice. After all, most people have higher aspirations for their children than for them to have taxpayer funded jobs in Cerredigion or Cardiff Bay and statistically, many of them will finish up living and working elsewhere in the UK and never use the language again anyway.[/p][/quote]Should they drop French, Spanish and German to .... Or is it just the welsh language u would like to see dropped from all schools in Wales ....[/p][/quote]Other languages are just options in Key stage 4, whereas Welsh is compulsory. It shouldn't be in English medium schools, I think they should have the choice to opt out. MattGray
  • Score: 7

4:12pm Thu 8 May 14

blackandamber says...

Rjames27 wrote:
It would seem that from the demand for ANOTHER Welsh medium secondary school in the area, it is far from a "dying" language.
A demand from the deluded.
[quote][p][bold]Rjames27[/bold] wrote: It would seem that from the demand for ANOTHER Welsh medium secondary school in the area, it is far from a "dying" language.[/p][/quote]A demand from the deluded. blackandamber
  • Score: 4

4:15pm Thu 8 May 14

amandadavies8 says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
amandadavies8 wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
amandadavies8 wrote:
Floppy backed wrote:
how about concentrating on building a school that concentrates on sport and practical skills - giving children a job either in the community or in the world and not centered on academic achievements. And as for teaching welsh well its not forward think is it? Its a chose if you chose to speak welsh then carry on but stop forcing it down on us Welsh english speakers.

You may want to hold on to the language while I'm sorry to say we no longer use horse and cart for a reason. its called progress and we all have to encounter this in everyday. Move on, you speak welsh in the home etc but stop shoving it down on our kids who should be concentrating on basic education and teachers agree with this also. They do not want to teach welsh in schools it takes up valuable time when 30 in a class need full attention in the basics. Good teachers are exactly that and need to be employed by a school for their ability not whether they are flaunt in welsh.

The majority of Wales want to speak and stay english speaking and diverting valuable funds from the education budget is complete madness when every penny counts.

The WAG havent many fans as far I know and this is just another reason to get rid of the muppets.
Nobody is forcing you to speak welsh... This article is about a school, whose families would like to send their children to, a welsh speaking school.... And the only people that think the welsh language is dead... Are people that do not pay attention... And as I still go back and fourth schools I see that there are a lot of adults and children that still want to learn the language...and why are they trying to find a site for a welsh high school, IF THE LANGUAGE WAS DEAD... They would be no need of the school,. If you don't want to learn the language DONT .... But let the ones that do DO...
'Nobody is forcing you to speak welsh..'

Are you for real?? That's exactly what they are doing to thousands of kids every day. I sent mine to private school to avoid it. Not everyone has that luxury.
So we are all forced to learn maths English and all the other subjects as well then. If you want to look at it like that ....
Err Maths and English are internationally recognised core subjects. There isn't a country in the World that doesn't teach maths and English is the most widely spoken and taught language. Welsh has no practical use that anyone on here has managed to articulate, other than 'it's my heritage'. You aren't really demonstrating the quality of your own education here are you.
You don't no anything about me.... So please do not insult..I have not insulted you at all or your abilities.. I am allowed my opinion... And I think it's right that in a country we live in, we should be taught our language.... You do not...( that's your opinion).... So because the people that do not agree with it ....Want the people that agree with it to go without or have a fight on their hands is it... And I said maths English and every subject taught .... If you read correctly... Or are you demonstrating the quality of your own education.
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]amandadavies8[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]amandadavies8[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Floppy backed[/bold] wrote: how about concentrating on building a school that concentrates on sport and practical skills - giving children a job either in the community or in the world and not centered on academic achievements. And as for teaching welsh well its not forward think is it? Its a chose if you chose to speak welsh then carry on but stop forcing it down on us Welsh english speakers. You may want to hold on to the language while I'm sorry to say we no longer use horse and cart for a reason. its called progress and we all have to encounter this in everyday. Move on, you speak welsh in the home etc but stop shoving it down on our kids who should be concentrating on basic education and teachers agree with this also. They do not want to teach welsh in schools it takes up valuable time when 30 in a class need full attention in the basics. Good teachers are exactly that and need to be employed by a school for their ability not whether they are flaunt in welsh. The majority of Wales want to speak and stay english speaking and diverting valuable funds from the education budget is complete madness when every penny counts. The WAG havent many fans as far I know and this is just another reason to get rid of the muppets.[/p][/quote]Nobody is forcing you to speak welsh... This article is about a school, whose families would like to send their children to, a welsh speaking school.... And the only people that think the welsh language is dead... Are people that do not pay attention... And as I still go back and fourth schools I see that there are a lot of adults and children that still want to learn the language...and why are they trying to find a site for a welsh high school, IF THE LANGUAGE WAS DEAD... They would be no need of the school,. If you don't want to learn the language DONT .... But let the ones that do DO...[/p][/quote]'Nobody is forcing you to speak welsh..' Are you for real?? That's exactly what they are doing to thousands of kids every day. I sent mine to private school to avoid it. Not everyone has that luxury.[/p][/quote]So we are all forced to learn maths English and all the other subjects as well then. If you want to look at it like that ....[/p][/quote]Err Maths and English are internationally recognised core subjects. There isn't a country in the World that doesn't teach maths and English is the most widely spoken and taught language. Welsh has no practical use that anyone on here has managed to articulate, other than 'it's my heritage'. You aren't really demonstrating the quality of your own education here are you.[/p][/quote]You don't no anything about me.... So please do not insult..I have not insulted you at all or your abilities.. I am allowed my opinion... And I think it's right that in a country we live in, we should be taught our language.... You do not...( that's your opinion).... So because the people that do not agree with it ....Want the people that agree with it to go without or have a fight on their hands is it... And I said maths English and every subject taught .... If you read correctly... Or are you demonstrating the quality of your own education. amandadavies8
  • Score: 2

4:20pm Thu 8 May 14

MattGray says...

inkyskin wrote:
couldn't they have chosen one of the better high schools in Newport?
Haven't read their latest Estyn report then?
[quote][p][bold]inkyskin[/bold] wrote: couldn't they have chosen one of the better high schools in Newport?[/p][/quote]Haven't read their latest Estyn report then? MattGray
  • Score: 12

4:32pm Thu 8 May 14

nannon1977 says...

Well I can tell you that thanks to attending welsh medium education I have been able to secure numerous jobs and make great use of the language. You live in Wales...there's no harm in learning welsh, as you do French, German etc. My 3 children also attend welsh medium education, it's an added string to their bow and surely we all want the best opportunities for our children. English is the main language of communication across the world no doubt, but numerous companies are looking for bi-lingual speaking employees including Welsh.
Well I can tell you that thanks to attending welsh medium education I have been able to secure numerous jobs and make great use of the language. You live in Wales...there's no harm in learning welsh, as you do French, German etc. My 3 children also attend welsh medium education, it's an added string to their bow and surely we all want the best opportunities for our children. English is the main language of communication across the world no doubt, but numerous companies are looking for bi-lingual speaking employees including Welsh. nannon1977
  • Score: 9

4:36pm Thu 8 May 14

Llanmartinangel says...

amandadavies8 wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
amandadavies8 wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
amandadavies8 wrote:
Floppy backed wrote:
how about concentrating on building a school that concentrates on sport and practical skills - giving children a job either in the community or in the world and not centered on academic achievements. And as for teaching welsh well its not forward think is it? Its a chose if you chose to speak welsh then carry on but stop forcing it down on us Welsh english speakers.

You may want to hold on to the language while I'm sorry to say we no longer use horse and cart for a reason. its called progress and we all have to encounter this in everyday. Move on, you speak welsh in the home etc but stop shoving it down on our kids who should be concentrating on basic education and teachers agree with this also. They do not want to teach welsh in schools it takes up valuable time when 30 in a class need full attention in the basics. Good teachers are exactly that and need to be employed by a school for their ability not whether they are flaunt in welsh.

The majority of Wales want to speak and stay english speaking and diverting valuable funds from the education budget is complete madness when every penny counts.

The WAG havent many fans as far I know and this is just another reason to get rid of the muppets.
Nobody is forcing you to speak welsh... This article is about a school, whose families would like to send their children to, a welsh speaking school.... And the only people that think the welsh language is dead... Are people that do not pay attention... And as I still go back and fourth schools I see that there are a lot of adults and children that still want to learn the language...and why are they trying to find a site for a welsh high school, IF THE LANGUAGE WAS DEAD... They would be no need of the school,. If you don't want to learn the language DONT .... But let the ones that do DO...
'Nobody is forcing you to speak welsh..'

Are you for real?? That's exactly what they are doing to thousands of kids every day. I sent mine to private school to avoid it. Not everyone has that luxury.
So we are all forced to learn maths English and all the other subjects as well then. If you want to look at it like that ....
Err Maths and English are internationally recognised core subjects. There isn't a country in the World that doesn't teach maths and English is the most widely spoken and taught language. Welsh has no practical use that anyone on here has managed to articulate, other than 'it's my heritage'. You aren't really demonstrating the quality of your own education here are you.
You don't no anything about me.... So please do not insult..I have not insulted you at all or your abilities.. I am allowed my opinion... And I think it's right that in a country we live in, we should be taught our language.... You do not...( that's your opinion).... So because the people that do not agree with it ....Want the people that agree with it to go without or have a fight on their hands is it... And I said maths English and every subject taught .... If you read correctly... Or are you demonstrating the quality of your own education.
'Our language' is English. It's spoken by the entire Welsh population. Welsh by a small number and even then, not for business. I haven't argued against being taught it but only out of choice and not compulsion. Comparing Maths and English to a subject of such minor importance and of no practical use is hardly showering one's judgement in glory.
[quote][p][bold]amandadavies8[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]amandadavies8[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]amandadavies8[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Floppy backed[/bold] wrote: how about concentrating on building a school that concentrates on sport and practical skills - giving children a job either in the community or in the world and not centered on academic achievements. And as for teaching welsh well its not forward think is it? Its a chose if you chose to speak welsh then carry on but stop forcing it down on us Welsh english speakers. You may want to hold on to the language while I'm sorry to say we no longer use horse and cart for a reason. its called progress and we all have to encounter this in everyday. Move on, you speak welsh in the home etc but stop shoving it down on our kids who should be concentrating on basic education and teachers agree with this also. They do not want to teach welsh in schools it takes up valuable time when 30 in a class need full attention in the basics. Good teachers are exactly that and need to be employed by a school for their ability not whether they are flaunt in welsh. The majority of Wales want to speak and stay english speaking and diverting valuable funds from the education budget is complete madness when every penny counts. The WAG havent many fans as far I know and this is just another reason to get rid of the muppets.[/p][/quote]Nobody is forcing you to speak welsh... This article is about a school, whose families would like to send their children to, a welsh speaking school.... And the only people that think the welsh language is dead... Are people that do not pay attention... And as I still go back and fourth schools I see that there are a lot of adults and children that still want to learn the language...and why are they trying to find a site for a welsh high school, IF THE LANGUAGE WAS DEAD... They would be no need of the school,. If you don't want to learn the language DONT .... But let the ones that do DO...[/p][/quote]'Nobody is forcing you to speak welsh..' Are you for real?? That's exactly what they are doing to thousands of kids every day. I sent mine to private school to avoid it. Not everyone has that luxury.[/p][/quote]So we are all forced to learn maths English and all the other subjects as well then. If you want to look at it like that ....[/p][/quote]Err Maths and English are internationally recognised core subjects. There isn't a country in the World that doesn't teach maths and English is the most widely spoken and taught language. Welsh has no practical use that anyone on here has managed to articulate, other than 'it's my heritage'. You aren't really demonstrating the quality of your own education here are you.[/p][/quote]You don't no anything about me.... So please do not insult..I have not insulted you at all or your abilities.. I am allowed my opinion... And I think it's right that in a country we live in, we should be taught our language.... You do not...( that's your opinion).... So because the people that do not agree with it ....Want the people that agree with it to go without or have a fight on their hands is it... And I said maths English and every subject taught .... If you read correctly... Or are you demonstrating the quality of your own education.[/p][/quote]'Our language' is English. It's spoken by the entire Welsh population. Welsh by a small number and even then, not for business. I haven't argued against being taught it but only out of choice and not compulsion. Comparing Maths and English to a subject of such minor importance and of no practical use is hardly showering one's judgement in glory. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: -5

4:42pm Thu 8 May 14

amandadavies8 says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
amandadavies8 wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
amandadavies8 wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
amandadavies8 wrote:
Floppy backed wrote:
how about concentrating on building a school that concentrates on sport and practical skills - giving children a job either in the community or in the world and not centered on academic achievements. And as for teaching welsh well its not forward think is it? Its a chose if you chose to speak welsh then carry on but stop forcing it down on us Welsh english speakers.

You may want to hold on to the language while I'm sorry to say we no longer use horse and cart for a reason. its called progress and we all have to encounter this in everyday. Move on, you speak welsh in the home etc but stop shoving it down on our kids who should be concentrating on basic education and teachers agree with this also. They do not want to teach welsh in schools it takes up valuable time when 30 in a class need full attention in the basics. Good teachers are exactly that and need to be employed by a school for their ability not whether they are flaunt in welsh.

The majority of Wales want to speak and stay english speaking and diverting valuable funds from the education budget is complete madness when every penny counts.

The WAG havent many fans as far I know and this is just another reason to get rid of the muppets.
Nobody is forcing you to speak welsh... This article is about a school, whose families would like to send their children to, a welsh speaking school.... And the only people that think the welsh language is dead... Are people that do not pay attention... And as I still go back and fourth schools I see that there are a lot of adults and children that still want to learn the language...and why are they trying to find a site for a welsh high school, IF THE LANGUAGE WAS DEAD... They would be no need of the school,. If you don't want to learn the language DONT .... But let the ones that do DO...
'Nobody is forcing you to speak welsh..'

Are you for real?? That's exactly what they are doing to thousands of kids every day. I sent mine to private school to avoid it. Not everyone has that luxury.
So we are all forced to learn maths English and all the other subjects as well then. If you want to look at it like that ....
Err Maths and English are internationally recognised core subjects. There isn't a country in the World that doesn't teach maths and English is the most widely spoken and taught language. Welsh has no practical use that anyone on here has managed to articulate, other than 'it's my heritage'. You aren't really demonstrating the quality of your own education here are you.
You don't no anything about me.... So please do not insult..I have not insulted you at all or your abilities.. I am allowed my opinion... And I think it's right that in a country we live in, we should be taught our language.... You do not...( that's your opinion).... So because the people that do not agree with it ....Want the people that agree with it to go without or have a fight on their hands is it... And I said maths English and every subject taught .... If you read correctly... Or are you demonstrating the quality of your own education.
'Our language' is English. It's spoken by the entire Welsh population. Welsh by a small number and even then, not for business. I haven't argued against being taught it but only out of choice and not compulsion. Comparing Maths and English to a subject of such minor importance and of no practical use is hardly showering one's judgement in glory.
You are missing the point again I said maths English and EVERY subject... Anyway would love to stay here and play games... But I must go and see my granddaughter, for her birthday... Enjoy the rest of your day 😉
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]amandadavies8[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]amandadavies8[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]amandadavies8[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Floppy backed[/bold] wrote: how about concentrating on building a school that concentrates on sport and practical skills - giving children a job either in the community or in the world and not centered on academic achievements. And as for teaching welsh well its not forward think is it? Its a chose if you chose to speak welsh then carry on but stop forcing it down on us Welsh english speakers. You may want to hold on to the language while I'm sorry to say we no longer use horse and cart for a reason. its called progress and we all have to encounter this in everyday. Move on, you speak welsh in the home etc but stop shoving it down on our kids who should be concentrating on basic education and teachers agree with this also. They do not want to teach welsh in schools it takes up valuable time when 30 in a class need full attention in the basics. Good teachers are exactly that and need to be employed by a school for their ability not whether they are flaunt in welsh. The majority of Wales want to speak and stay english speaking and diverting valuable funds from the education budget is complete madness when every penny counts. The WAG havent many fans as far I know and this is just another reason to get rid of the muppets.[/p][/quote]Nobody is forcing you to speak welsh... This article is about a school, whose families would like to send their children to, a welsh speaking school.... And the only people that think the welsh language is dead... Are people that do not pay attention... And as I still go back and fourth schools I see that there are a lot of adults and children that still want to learn the language...and why are they trying to find a site for a welsh high school, IF THE LANGUAGE WAS DEAD... They would be no need of the school,. If you don't want to learn the language DONT .... But let the ones that do DO...[/p][/quote]'Nobody is forcing you to speak welsh..' Are you for real?? That's exactly what they are doing to thousands of kids every day. I sent mine to private school to avoid it. Not everyone has that luxury.[/p][/quote]So we are all forced to learn maths English and all the other subjects as well then. If you want to look at it like that ....[/p][/quote]Err Maths and English are internationally recognised core subjects. There isn't a country in the World that doesn't teach maths and English is the most widely spoken and taught language. Welsh has no practical use that anyone on here has managed to articulate, other than 'it's my heritage'. You aren't really demonstrating the quality of your own education here are you.[/p][/quote]You don't no anything about me.... So please do not insult..I have not insulted you at all or your abilities.. I am allowed my opinion... And I think it's right that in a country we live in, we should be taught our language.... You do not...( that's your opinion).... So because the people that do not agree with it ....Want the people that agree with it to go without or have a fight on their hands is it... And I said maths English and every subject taught .... If you read correctly... Or are you demonstrating the quality of your own education.[/p][/quote]'Our language' is English. It's spoken by the entire Welsh population. Welsh by a small number and even then, not for business. I haven't argued against being taught it but only out of choice and not compulsion. Comparing Maths and English to a subject of such minor importance and of no practical use is hardly showering one's judgement in glory.[/p][/quote]You are missing the point again I said maths English and EVERY subject... Anyway would love to stay here and play games... But I must go and see my granddaughter, for her birthday... Enjoy the rest of your day 😉 amandadavies8
  • Score: -5

4:42pm Thu 8 May 14

nannon1977 says...

Well I can assure you that it is used in business on a daily basis..not on the same scale as English obviously as that is used world wide but regardless it is used daily and this opportunity should be there as this is wales and as in other country's the children are taught their mother tongue language whether it is still used widely or not.
Well I can assure you that it is used in business on a daily basis..not on the same scale as English obviously as that is used world wide but regardless it is used daily and this opportunity should be there as this is wales and as in other country's the children are taught their mother tongue language whether it is still used widely or not. nannon1977
  • Score: 2

4:54pm Thu 8 May 14

Llanmartinangel says...

nannon1977 wrote:
Well I can assure you that it is used in business on a daily basis..not on the same scale as English obviously as that is used world wide but regardless it is used daily and this opportunity should be there as this is wales and as in other country's the children are taught their mother tongue language whether it is still used widely or not.
But that isn't true is it. Of 1.5 million National Savings customers in Wales only 107 chose to deal with them in Welsh. They withdrew the Welsh Language service and the High Court forced its reinstatement. Full story here:

http://www.walesonli
ne.co.uk/news/wales-
news/national-saving
s-investments-nsi-un
der-6781819

The often quoted numbers for fluency and complex use are entirely fabricated.
[quote][p][bold]nannon1977[/bold] wrote: Well I can assure you that it is used in business on a daily basis..not on the same scale as English obviously as that is used world wide but regardless it is used daily and this opportunity should be there as this is wales and as in other country's the children are taught their mother tongue language whether it is still used widely or not.[/p][/quote]But that isn't true is it. Of 1.5 million National Savings customers in Wales only 107 chose to deal with them in Welsh. They withdrew the Welsh Language service and the High Court forced its reinstatement. Full story here: http://www.walesonli ne.co.uk/news/wales- news/national-saving s-investments-nsi-un der-6781819 The often quoted numbers for fluency and complex use are entirely fabricated. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: -1

4:59pm Thu 8 May 14

Bobbey says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
Bobbey wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
No problem with people sending their kids to a Welsh medium school as long as they aren't disproportionately better funded. But the quid-pro-quo should be that they drop the compulsory lessons to kids in English speaking ones, that way parents do get a clear choice. After all, most people have higher aspirations for their children than for them to have taxpayer funded jobs in Cerredigion or Cardiff Bay and statistically, many of them will finish up living and working elsewhere in the UK and never use the language again anyway.
Disproportionately better funded? Are you having a laugh? Yet another second hand school turned over to Welsh medium education
Trouble reading? What I actually said was 'as long as they aren't disproportionally better funded' which isn't the same as suggesting that they are. If that is what I had meant then that is what I would have said.
It was a rhetorical question. Look that one up!
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobbey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: No problem with people sending their kids to a Welsh medium school as long as they aren't disproportionately better funded. But the quid-pro-quo should be that they drop the compulsory lessons to kids in English speaking ones, that way parents do get a clear choice. After all, most people have higher aspirations for their children than for them to have taxpayer funded jobs in Cerredigion or Cardiff Bay and statistically, many of them will finish up living and working elsewhere in the UK and never use the language again anyway.[/p][/quote]Disproportionately better funded? Are you having a laugh? Yet another second hand school turned over to Welsh medium education[/p][/quote]Trouble reading? What I actually said was 'as long as they aren't disproportionally better funded' which isn't the same as suggesting that they are. If that is what I had meant then that is what I would have said.[/p][/quote]It was a rhetorical question. Look that one up! Bobbey
  • Score: -7

5:05pm Thu 8 May 14

Bobbey says...

nannon1977 wrote:
Well I can assure you that it is used in business on a daily basis..not on the same scale as English obviously as that is used world wide but regardless it is used daily and this opportunity should be there as this is wales and as in other country's the children are taught their mother tongue language whether it is still used widely or not.
Most of the anti-Welsh bile on here arises out of jealousy, fear and just plain Englishness in some cases. They can huff and puff as much as they like, but it`ll change nothing. This story is just about opening a new school to meet demand; nothing newsworthy there. The real stories, about our economy and the future of our country are just too difficult for some people to undertstand.
[quote][p][bold]nannon1977[/bold] wrote: Well I can assure you that it is used in business on a daily basis..not on the same scale as English obviously as that is used world wide but regardless it is used daily and this opportunity should be there as this is wales and as in other country's the children are taught their mother tongue language whether it is still used widely or not.[/p][/quote]Most of the anti-Welsh bile on here arises out of jealousy, fear and just plain Englishness in some cases. They can huff and puff as much as they like, but it`ll change nothing. This story is just about opening a new school to meet demand; nothing newsworthy there. The real stories, about our economy and the future of our country are just too difficult for some people to undertstand. Bobbey
  • Score: 14

5:08pm Thu 8 May 14

Rjames27 says...

I fail to see how being ignorant about learning another language is helping anyone. My three children attend Welsh medium schools, as did I, and I feel that their standard of education is excellent. They do not miss out on anything compared to their English speaking peers and will only benefit from being bilingual. This will help them learn other languages efficiently even if they chose never to use their Welsh again (I doubt this, however). It will be a bonus whilst gaining employment both in Wales and worldwide, take it from me, international companies are highly impressed by an individual that can speak their native language. They will learn every other subject alongside and through Welsh which is only a positive. Contrary to what people think, they do not have to drop another subject to learn Welsh, they are taught everything PLUS Welsh. An impressive ability in my opinion! I would be interested to learn whether those of you who are moaning about your taxes paying for something that is not relevant, would moan if another Catholic school was to be built. Just a thought.
I fail to see how being ignorant about learning another language is helping anyone. My three children attend Welsh medium schools, as did I, and I feel that their standard of education is excellent. They do not miss out on anything compared to their English speaking peers and will only benefit from being bilingual. This will help them learn other languages efficiently even if they chose never to use their Welsh again (I doubt this, however). It will be a bonus whilst gaining employment both in Wales and worldwide, take it from me, international companies are highly impressed by an individual that can speak their native language. They will learn every other subject alongside and through Welsh which is only a positive. Contrary to what people think, they do not have to drop another subject to learn Welsh, they are taught everything PLUS Welsh. An impressive ability in my opinion! I would be interested to learn whether those of you who are moaning about your taxes paying for something that is not relevant, would moan if another Catholic school was to be built. Just a thought. Rjames27
  • Score: 20

5:13pm Thu 8 May 14

Rjames27 says...

I would also like to add that I have never had anything other than praise for those who speak other languages and find it very hard indeed to understand the negativity, especailly in such a spiteful manner.
I would also like to add that I have never had anything other than praise for those who speak other languages and find it very hard indeed to understand the negativity, especailly in such a spiteful manner. Rjames27
  • Score: 22

5:33pm Thu 8 May 14

displayed says...

Who thinks that "amandadavies8" and "Llanmartinangel" should get together, they seem to get on so well........
Who thinks that "amandadavies8" and "Llanmartinangel" should get together, they seem to get on so well........ displayed
  • Score: -12

5:59pm Thu 8 May 14

Llanmartinangel says...

Bobbey wrote:
nannon1977 wrote:
Well I can assure you that it is used in business on a daily basis..not on the same scale as English obviously as that is used world wide but regardless it is used daily and this opportunity should be there as this is wales and as in other country's the children are taught their mother tongue language whether it is still used widely or not.
Most of the anti-Welsh bile on here arises out of jealousy, fear and just plain Englishness in some cases. They can huff and puff as much as they like, but it`ll change nothing. This story is just about opening a new school to meet demand; nothing newsworthy there. The real stories, about our economy and the future of our country are just too difficult for some people to undertstand.
What 'country' is that? The country is the UK.
[quote][p][bold]Bobbey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nannon1977[/bold] wrote: Well I can assure you that it is used in business on a daily basis..not on the same scale as English obviously as that is used world wide but regardless it is used daily and this opportunity should be there as this is wales and as in other country's the children are taught their mother tongue language whether it is still used widely or not.[/p][/quote]Most of the anti-Welsh bile on here arises out of jealousy, fear and just plain Englishness in some cases. They can huff and puff as much as they like, but it`ll change nothing. This story is just about opening a new school to meet demand; nothing newsworthy there. The real stories, about our economy and the future of our country are just too difficult for some people to undertstand.[/p][/quote]What 'country' is that? The country is the UK. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: -10

6:47pm Thu 8 May 14

I-mac says...

Life-long learning, a global market, China, India and Brazil as the new superpowers...and yet the narrowly elected WAG perpetuate a backward desire to push the teaching of Welsh. DON"T blame the teachers, blame the WAG and a Newport MP who advocates Welsh medium education! Welsh is classified as MFL i.e. a Modern Foreign Language. Hmm, bit of a contradiction here! Wales cannot be forward-looking as long as it impedes its youth by the learning of Welsh. A political decision and not one based on good business and education. Sorry, but that's how it is. The WAG is staffed by second and third rate 'politicians' who do not possess the skills to get to Westminster.
Life-long learning, a global market, China, India and Brazil as the new superpowers...and yet the narrowly elected WAG perpetuate a backward desire to push the teaching of Welsh. DON"T blame the teachers, blame the WAG and a Newport MP who advocates Welsh medium education! Welsh is classified as MFL i.e. a Modern Foreign Language. Hmm, bit of a contradiction here! Wales cannot be forward-looking as long as it impedes its youth by the learning of Welsh. A political decision and not one based on good business and education. Sorry, but that's how it is. The WAG is staffed by second and third rate 'politicians' who do not possess the skills to get to Westminster. I-mac
  • Score: -6

7:09pm Thu 8 May 14

scraptheWAG says...

maybe a good thing the WAG will throw money at the school when this happens it will be at the expense of all the english schools though
maybe a good thing the WAG will throw money at the school when this happens it will be at the expense of all the english schools though scraptheWAG
  • Score: -13

8:10pm Thu 8 May 14

misslewis says...

displayed wrote:
Who thinks that "amandadavies8" and "Llanmartinangel" should get together, they seem to get on so well........
LOL
[quote][p][bold]displayed[/bold] wrote: Who thinks that "amandadavies8" and "Llanmartinangel" should get together, they seem to get on so well........[/p][/quote]LOL misslewis
  • Score: -11

8:16pm Thu 8 May 14

misslewis says...

I've nothing against a welsh school, I just don't understand why they are putting it on the Duffryn High school Grounds and why they have decided that Duffryn high school wont have a new school but just a refurb which is most likely a bit of paint and some flowers, when really it needs a Rebuild.
Parking is already a nightmare, you can't drive onto the site so people park on grass verges and outside peoples homes close to the school, what will it be like with 2 schools on the same.
Surely there is somewhere else in Newport they could put another school...
I've nothing against a welsh school, I just don't understand why they are putting it on the Duffryn High school Grounds and why they have decided that Duffryn high school wont have a new school but just a refurb which is most likely a bit of paint and some flowers, when really it needs a Rebuild. Parking is already a nightmare, you can't drive onto the site so people park on grass verges and outside peoples homes close to the school, what will it be like with 2 schools on the same. Surely there is somewhere else in Newport they could put another school... misslewis
  • Score: 4

8:19pm Thu 8 May 14

Melvyn The Milk says...

Children attending English schools are way down the European league when it comes to learning and gaining expertise in a modern foreign language. Welsh children are off the scale. They sit below the English. We live in a global economy where the need to speak a functional second language is of paramount importance for employment outside the usual public sector posts we so love to fill in Wales. On top of this, owing to the liberal, politically correct educational establishment of the past 35 years, European children's English ability exceeds our children's also. We are playing political games here and dicing with our children's futures. We are advocating the expansion of a language spoken in rural backwaters of Wales and Patagonia at the expense of vitally important and useful languages. Do you want to join in this game?
Children attending English schools are way down the European league when it comes to learning and gaining expertise in a modern foreign language. Welsh children are off the scale. They sit below the English. We live in a global economy where the need to speak a functional second language is of paramount importance for employment outside the usual public sector posts we so love to fill in Wales. On top of this, owing to the liberal, politically correct educational establishment of the past 35 years, European children's English ability exceeds our children's also. We are playing political games here and dicing with our children's futures. We are advocating the expansion of a language spoken in rural backwaters of Wales and Patagonia at the expense of vitally important and useful languages. Do you want to join in this game? Melvyn The Milk
  • Score: -7

8:31pm Thu 8 May 14

joemadone67 says...

inkyskin wrote:
couldn't they have chosen one of the better high schools in Newport?
no mate because they are already newly built ,is the area a problem to you?
[quote][p][bold]inkyskin[/bold] wrote: couldn't they have chosen one of the better high schools in Newport?[/p][/quote]no mate because they are already newly built ,is the area a problem to you? joemadone67
  • Score: 2

8:39pm Thu 8 May 14

joemadone67 says...

inkyskin wrote:
couldn't they have chosen one of the better high schools in Newport?
better high schools ,what do you mean?duffryn has a high list of achievers over the years,many with welsh baccarulet awards and much more,
the city fathers and the education departments sacrifised duffryn when the big **** happened,you had a new bettws high and hartridge high but the duff was sold down the river,now they want to rebuild it all in this disguise,sorry my friends my kids have and are doing good in duffryn,but i have no time for the city council and the welsh government for the false promises,because they have scarred the area of duffryn
[quote][p][bold]inkyskin[/bold] wrote: couldn't they have chosen one of the better high schools in Newport?[/p][/quote]better high schools ,what do you mean?duffryn has a high list of achievers over the years,many with welsh baccarulet awards and much more, the city fathers and the education departments sacrifised duffryn when the big **** happened,you had a new bettws high and hartridge high but the duff was sold down the river,now they want to rebuild it all in this disguise,sorry my friends my kids have and are doing good in duffryn,but i have no time for the city council and the welsh government for the false promises,because they have scarred the area of duffryn joemadone67
  • Score: 0

8:49pm Thu 8 May 14

joemadone67 says...

Rjames27 wrote:
I fail to see how being ignorant about learning another language is helping anyone. My three children attend Welsh medium schools, as did I, and I feel that their standard of education is excellent. They do not miss out on anything compared to their English speaking peers and will only benefit from being bilingual. This will help them learn other languages efficiently even if they chose never to use their Welsh again (I doubt this, however). It will be a bonus whilst gaining employment both in Wales and worldwide, take it from me, international companies are highly impressed by an individual that can speak their native language. They will learn every other subject alongside and through Welsh which is only a positive. Contrary to what people think, they do not have to drop another subject to learn Welsh, they are taught everything PLUS Welsh. An impressive ability in my opinion! I would be interested to learn whether those of you who are moaning about your taxes paying for something that is not relevant, would moan if another Catholic school was to be built. Just a thought.
oh and did they learn much about catholicism,i,m a catholic born/bred but always left choise to my wife,my kids go the duff,no problem,my kids go to visit gran/granpa in scotland and go to mass no problem,my kids dont need christianity/catholi
cism to go on in life,they learnt welsh in school no problem but we dont sit around the table talking like they do in a pub in bangor when you walk in and open your gob-steriotypyes some of you are
[quote][p][bold]Rjames27[/bold] wrote: I fail to see how being ignorant about learning another language is helping anyone. My three children attend Welsh medium schools, as did I, and I feel that their standard of education is excellent. They do not miss out on anything compared to their English speaking peers and will only benefit from being bilingual. This will help them learn other languages efficiently even if they chose never to use their Welsh again (I doubt this, however). It will be a bonus whilst gaining employment both in Wales and worldwide, take it from me, international companies are highly impressed by an individual that can speak their native language. They will learn every other subject alongside and through Welsh which is only a positive. Contrary to what people think, they do not have to drop another subject to learn Welsh, they are taught everything PLUS Welsh. An impressive ability in my opinion! I would be interested to learn whether those of you who are moaning about your taxes paying for something that is not relevant, would moan if another Catholic school was to be built. Just a thought.[/p][/quote]oh and did they learn much about catholicism,i,m a catholic born/bred but always left choise to my wife,my kids go the duff,no problem,my kids go to visit gran/granpa in scotland and go to mass no problem,my kids dont need christianity/catholi cism to go on in life,they learnt welsh in school no problem but we dont sit around the table talking like they do in a pub in bangor when you walk in and open your gob-steriotypyes some of you are joemadone67
  • Score: -6

8:51pm Thu 8 May 14

Welshman76 says...

It's just a fad and some parents think it is fashionable to send their children to a welsh language school even though their home life is in the English language! They are disadvantage no their children as they cannot support them in the welsh language when it comes to homework etc. some pupils end up labelled with special needs whereas if they went to an English first language school they would probably average or better.
It's just a fad and some parents think it is fashionable to send their children to a welsh language school even though their home life is in the English language! They are disadvantage no their children as they cannot support them in the welsh language when it comes to homework etc. some pupils end up labelled with special needs whereas if they went to an English first language school they would probably average or better. Welshman76
  • Score: -8

9:33pm Thu 8 May 14

Keith Barnett says...

Welsh language mafia on the move once more
Welsh schools going backwards compared to every other country
Just like the health service in Wales
Keep voting labour and letting the Welsh language mafia spend YOUR money
Happy days
You get what you ask for - a country run by poor poor government and civil servants that try and control everything in your lives and fail dismally
Welsh language mafia on the move once more Welsh schools going backwards compared to every other country Just like the health service in Wales Keep voting labour and letting the Welsh language mafia spend YOUR money Happy days You get what you ask for - a country run by poor poor government and civil servants that try and control everything in your lives and fail dismally Keith Barnett
  • Score: -13

9:57pm Thu 8 May 14

amandadavies8 says...

displayed wrote:
Who thinks that "amandadavies8" and "Llanmartinangel" should get together, they seem to get on so well........
Lol... Made me giggle...
[quote][p][bold]displayed[/bold] wrote: Who thinks that "amandadavies8" and "Llanmartinangel" should get together, they seem to get on so well........[/p][/quote]Lol... Made me giggle... amandadavies8
  • Score: 1

10:25pm Thu 8 May 14

dky1899 says...

All these Welsh only comprehensives but no Welsh only university....so where do the kids go once they hit 18.....the answer is simple, England.
All these Welsh only comprehensives but no Welsh only university....so where do the kids go once they hit 18.....the answer is simple, England. dky1899
  • Score: -9

8:07am Fri 9 May 14

displayed says...

Finally, I went to a school that taught Welsh, we used to copy it down from a blackboard, never meant anything to me then and doesnt now.

We were expected to copy it, not to learn it!

That was the teachin method then.

I rest my case.......

Next!
Finally, I went to a school that taught Welsh, we used to copy it down from a blackboard, never meant anything to me then and doesnt now. We were expected to copy it, not to learn it! That was the teachin method then. I rest my case....... Next! displayed
  • Score: -8

8:16am Fri 9 May 14

scraptheWAG says...

Melvyn The Milk wrote:
Children attending English schools are way down the European league when it comes to learning and gaining expertise in a modern foreign language. Welsh children are off the scale. They sit below the English. We live in a global economy where the need to speak a functional second language is of paramount importance for employment outside the usual public sector posts we so love to fill in Wales. On top of this, owing to the liberal, politically correct educational establishment of the past 35 years, European children's English ability exceeds our children's also. We are playing political games here and dicing with our children's futures. We are advocating the expansion of a language spoken in rural backwaters of Wales and Patagonia at the expense of vitally important and useful languages. Do you want to join in this game?
you never know your children could become the next welsh language commissioner on over 100k per annum - now if that aint worth learning welsh not sure what is
[quote][p][bold]Melvyn The Milk[/bold] wrote: Children attending English schools are way down the European league when it comes to learning and gaining expertise in a modern foreign language. Welsh children are off the scale. They sit below the English. We live in a global economy where the need to speak a functional second language is of paramount importance for employment outside the usual public sector posts we so love to fill in Wales. On top of this, owing to the liberal, politically correct educational establishment of the past 35 years, European children's English ability exceeds our children's also. We are playing political games here and dicing with our children's futures. We are advocating the expansion of a language spoken in rural backwaters of Wales and Patagonia at the expense of vitally important and useful languages. Do you want to join in this game?[/p][/quote]you never know your children could become the next welsh language commissioner on over 100k per annum - now if that aint worth learning welsh not sure what is scraptheWAG
  • Score: 4

8:43am Fri 9 May 14

Rjames27 says...

joemadone67 wrote:
Rjames27 wrote:
I fail to see how being ignorant about learning another language is helping anyone. My three children attend Welsh medium schools, as did I, and I feel that their standard of education is excellent. They do not miss out on anything compared to their English speaking peers and will only benefit from being bilingual. This will help them learn other languages efficiently even if they chose never to use their Welsh again (I doubt this, however). It will be a bonus whilst gaining employment both in Wales and worldwide, take it from me, international companies are highly impressed by an individual that can speak their native language. They will learn every other subject alongside and through Welsh which is only a positive. Contrary to what people think, they do not have to drop another subject to learn Welsh, they are taught everything PLUS Welsh. An impressive ability in my opinion! I would be interested to learn whether those of you who are moaning about your taxes paying for something that is not relevant, would moan if another Catholic school was to be built. Just a thought.
oh and did they learn much about catholicism,i,m a catholic born/bred but always left choise to my wife,my kids go the duff,no problem,my kids go to visit gran/granpa in scotland and go to mass no problem,my kids dont need christianity/catholi

cism to go on in life,they learnt welsh in school no problem but we dont sit around the table talking like they do in a pub in bangor when you walk in and open your gob-steriotypyes some of you are
Sorry, I have no idea what you are saying. This makes not one bit of sense to me.
[quote][p][bold]joemadone67[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rjames27[/bold] wrote: I fail to see how being ignorant about learning another language is helping anyone. My three children attend Welsh medium schools, as did I, and I feel that their standard of education is excellent. They do not miss out on anything compared to their English speaking peers and will only benefit from being bilingual. This will help them learn other languages efficiently even if they chose never to use their Welsh again (I doubt this, however). It will be a bonus whilst gaining employment both in Wales and worldwide, take it from me, international companies are highly impressed by an individual that can speak their native language. They will learn every other subject alongside and through Welsh which is only a positive. Contrary to what people think, they do not have to drop another subject to learn Welsh, they are taught everything PLUS Welsh. An impressive ability in my opinion! I would be interested to learn whether those of you who are moaning about your taxes paying for something that is not relevant, would moan if another Catholic school was to be built. Just a thought.[/p][/quote]oh and did they learn much about catholicism,i,m a catholic born/bred but always left choise to my wife,my kids go the duff,no problem,my kids go to visit gran/granpa in scotland and go to mass no problem,my kids dont need christianity/catholi cism to go on in life,they learnt welsh in school no problem but we dont sit around the table talking like they do in a pub in bangor when you walk in and open your gob-steriotypyes some of you are[/p][/quote]Sorry, I have no idea what you are saying. This makes not one bit of sense to me. Rjames27
  • Score: 6

9:12am Fri 9 May 14

Dai Rear says...

amandadavies8 wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
No problem with people sending their kids to a Welsh medium school as long as they aren't disproportionately better funded. But the quid-pro-quo should be that they drop the compulsory lessons to kids in English speaking ones, that way parents do get a clear choice. After all, most people have higher aspirations for their children than for them to have taxpayer funded jobs in Cerredigion or Cardiff Bay and statistically, many of them will finish up living and working elsewhere in the UK and never use the language again anyway.
Should they drop French, Spanish and German to .... Or is it just the welsh language u would like to see dropped from all schools in Wales ....
Are Spanish German and French compulsory alongside Welsh in schools in Wales and Monmouthshire these days? I doubt it, notwithstanding that any of the 3 would have a considerable commercial and career value to a young person whilst neither Welsh, Gaelic, Irish, Cornish, however interesting and wonderful could ever be expected to help most people pay for the roof over their head.
[quote][p][bold]amandadavies8[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: No problem with people sending their kids to a Welsh medium school as long as they aren't disproportionately better funded. But the quid-pro-quo should be that they drop the compulsory lessons to kids in English speaking ones, that way parents do get a clear choice. After all, most people have higher aspirations for their children than for them to have taxpayer funded jobs in Cerredigion or Cardiff Bay and statistically, many of them will finish up living and working elsewhere in the UK and never use the language again anyway.[/p][/quote]Should they drop French, Spanish and German to .... Or is it just the welsh language u would like to see dropped from all schools in Wales ....[/p][/quote]Are Spanish German and French compulsory alongside Welsh in schools in Wales and Monmouthshire these days? I doubt it, notwithstanding that any of the 3 would have a considerable commercial and career value to a young person whilst neither Welsh, Gaelic, Irish, Cornish, however interesting and wonderful could ever be expected to help most people pay for the roof over their head. Dai Rear
  • Score: 2

11:21am Fri 9 May 14

marko34 says...

I sent my kids to the welsh shool out of choice, no difference to me choosing which english school i would of sent them to, i want them to have the best education possible and get a good start in life, for me that was the welsh school, once you learn one language it is easier to pick up the other languages, they excell in both english and welsh and they do not have a problem doing there homework, if all the kids that go to the welsh school now and in the future went to the english school these would be full and the council would still be looking around to build another school . at the end of the day its down to choice and a welsh high school is needed allthough not ideal sharing duffyrn it will be better then nothing
I sent my kids to the welsh shool out of choice, no difference to me choosing which english school i would of sent them to, i want them to have the best education possible and get a good start in life, for me that was the welsh school, once you learn one language it is easier to pick up the other languages, they excell in both english and welsh and they do not have a problem doing there homework, if all the kids that go to the welsh school now and in the future went to the english school these would be full and the council would still be looking around to build another school . at the end of the day its down to choice and a welsh high school is needed allthough not ideal sharing duffyrn it will be better then nothing marko34
  • Score: 19

12:50pm Fri 9 May 14

Mwy Eira says...

dky1899 wrote:
All these Welsh only comprehensives but no Welsh only university....so where do the kids go once they hit 18.....the answer is simple, England.
Err no actually. There are Welsh medium courses in Welsh universities. The courses are run alongside the English medium ones. More and more courses, in further education and vocational areas, are now being provided in the medium of Welsh due to demand and even employers are providing them. Admiral being one such company I believe. Shheeesh the ignorance.
[quote][p][bold]dky1899[/bold] wrote: All these Welsh only comprehensives but no Welsh only university....so where do the kids go once they hit 18.....the answer is simple, England.[/p][/quote]Err no actually. There are Welsh medium courses in Welsh universities. The courses are run alongside the English medium ones. More and more courses, in further education and vocational areas, are now being provided in the medium of Welsh due to demand and even employers are providing them. Admiral being one such company I believe. Shheeesh the ignorance. Mwy Eira
  • Score: 8

1:02pm Fri 9 May 14

Mwy Eira says...

misslewis wrote:
I've nothing against a welsh school, I just don't understand why they are putting it on the Duffryn High school Grounds and why they have decided that Duffryn high school wont have a new school but just a refurb which is most likely a bit of paint and some flowers, when really it needs a Rebuild.
Parking is already a nightmare, you can't drive onto the site so people park on grass verges and outside peoples homes close to the school, what will it be like with 2 schools on the same.
Surely there is somewhere else in Newport they could put another school...
I agree with you on that one. I can see transport being a nightmare. The transport infrastucture in that area is already under a great deal of pressure and everyone knows what a nightmare Tredegar Park can be at the best of times. Add another secondary school where children have to travel across Newport to get to and it will be a nightmare. Just ask the St Joseph's parents when there was gridlock when it was snowing the last time. Took some of the kids 3 hours to get home!

In the current financial climate, both the Welsh High school parents (me being one of them!) and Duffryn High parents have to face facts and the reality that without each other, Duffryn won't get the refurb without the Welsh High school and there will be no Welsh High School without Duffryn. Both sets of parents have been fobbed off for years with empty promises from Newport CC. It is not clear though whether the seedling Welsh school will be there permanently or temporary.
[quote][p][bold]misslewis[/bold] wrote: I've nothing against a welsh school, I just don't understand why they are putting it on the Duffryn High school Grounds and why they have decided that Duffryn high school wont have a new school but just a refurb which is most likely a bit of paint and some flowers, when really it needs a Rebuild. Parking is already a nightmare, you can't drive onto the site so people park on grass verges and outside peoples homes close to the school, what will it be like with 2 schools on the same. Surely there is somewhere else in Newport they could put another school...[/p][/quote]I agree with you on that one. I can see transport being a nightmare. The transport infrastucture in that area is already under a great deal of pressure and everyone knows what a nightmare Tredegar Park can be at the best of times. Add another secondary school where children have to travel across Newport to get to and it will be a nightmare. Just ask the St Joseph's parents when there was gridlock when it was snowing the last time. Took some of the kids 3 hours to get home! In the current financial climate, both the Welsh High school parents (me being one of them!) and Duffryn High parents have to face facts and the reality that without each other, Duffryn won't get the refurb without the Welsh High school and there will be no Welsh High School without Duffryn. Both sets of parents have been fobbed off for years with empty promises from Newport CC. It is not clear though whether the seedling Welsh school will be there permanently or temporary. Mwy Eira
  • Score: 8

2:10pm Fri 9 May 14

bradybunch says...

I never got the chance to speak welsh as a teenager so I thought it would be great for my children to learn it.
However I found the staff and the Welsh speaking parents (who only made up about 5% of the parents) nothing more than a group of snooty elitist. Decided that I wanted a more inclusive environment for my children and moved them to an English speaking school and never looked back.
I never got the chance to speak welsh as a teenager so I thought it would be great for my children to learn it. However I found the staff and the Welsh speaking parents (who only made up about 5% of the parents) nothing more than a group of snooty elitist. Decided that I wanted a more inclusive environment for my children and moved them to an English speaking school and never looked back. bradybunch
  • Score: 8

9:01pm Fri 9 May 14

WelshGirl147 says...

displayed wrote:
I know theres gonna be opposition, but the language is dying, its mainly used in the North Wales area where all the media types are educated then shipped into South Wales to infiltrate the capitol!

They only perpetuate the Welsh language culture in Cardiff cos its the capit"Welsh as a first language is largely concentrated in the north and west of Wales, principally Gwynedd, Conwy, Denbighshire (Sir Ddinbych), Anglesey (Ynys Môn), Carmarthenshire (Sir Gâr), north Pembrokeshire (Sir Benfro), Ceredigion, parts of Glamorgan (Morgannwg), and north-west and extreme south-west Powys, although first-language and other fluent speakers can be found throughout Wales."
Since 2000, the teaching of Welsh has been compulsory in all schools in Wales up to age 16, and that has had a major effect in stabilising and to some extent reversing the decline in the language. (See its dying)

http://en.wikipedia.

org/wiki/File:Welsh_

speakers_in_the_2011

_census.png
"With the Welsh Government hailing the Creative Industries as a priority sector for job creation, and with Gwynedd Council’s push to relocate S4C’s Headquarters out of Cardiff to Caernarfon, what better time for multi-genre broadcasting company Rondo Media (producers of ‘Rownd a Rownd’, ‘The Indian Doctor’ and ‘Gwlad yr Astra Gwyn’) to host a vibrant networking Business Breakfast in Caernarfon for C6, the North Wales Creative Industries Network"

See, Cardiff dont need it, but North Wales does.

After all, were all entitiled to our own opinion, aint we..........

Dioch yn fawr
Are you seriously quoting Wikipedia as a reliable source?
Welsh is hardly a dying language, otherwise overcrowding Gwynllyw wouldn't be a problem would it?
I fully support a new Welsh high school and my only negative thought about it is that it should have happened much sooner than it has. You're entitled to your own opinion admittedly, but maybe your opinion should be a slightly more educated one, extending beyond the use of wikipedia!

Croeso!
[quote][p][bold]displayed[/bold] wrote: I know theres gonna be opposition, but the language is dying, its mainly used in the North Wales area where all the media types are educated then shipped into South Wales to infiltrate the capitol! They only perpetuate the Welsh language culture in Cardiff cos its the capit"Welsh as a first language is largely concentrated in the north and west of Wales, principally Gwynedd, Conwy, Denbighshire (Sir Ddinbych), Anglesey (Ynys Môn), Carmarthenshire (Sir Gâr), north Pembrokeshire (Sir Benfro), Ceredigion, parts of Glamorgan (Morgannwg), and north-west and extreme south-west Powys, although first-language and other fluent speakers can be found throughout Wales." Since 2000, the teaching of Welsh has been compulsory in all schools in Wales up to age 16, and that has had a major effect in stabilising and to some extent reversing the decline in the language. (See its dying) http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/File:Welsh_ speakers_in_the_2011 _census.png "With the Welsh Government hailing the Creative Industries as a priority sector for job creation, and with Gwynedd Council’s push to relocate S4C’s Headquarters out of Cardiff to Caernarfon, what better time for multi-genre broadcasting company Rondo Media (producers of ‘Rownd a Rownd’, ‘The Indian Doctor’ and ‘Gwlad yr Astra Gwyn’) to host a vibrant networking Business Breakfast in Caernarfon for C6, the North Wales Creative Industries Network" See, Cardiff dont need it, but North Wales does. After all, were all entitiled to our own opinion, aint we.......... Dioch yn fawr[/p][/quote]Are you seriously quoting Wikipedia as a reliable source? Welsh is hardly a dying language, otherwise overcrowding Gwynllyw wouldn't be a problem would it? I fully support a new Welsh high school and my only negative thought about it is that it should have happened much sooner than it has. You're entitled to your own opinion admittedly, but maybe your opinion should be a slightly more educated one, extending beyond the use of wikipedia! Croeso! WelshGirl147
  • Score: -2

10:13pm Fri 9 May 14

lyndon666 says...

In this rapidly changing world, it's good to see some fine old traditions maintained, like the utterly moronic anti-Welsh language bigotry of many Newport residents, for instance.
In this rapidly changing world, it's good to see some fine old traditions maintained, like the utterly moronic anti-Welsh language bigotry of many Newport residents, for instance. lyndon666
  • Score: -1

11:45am Sat 10 May 14

Mervyn James says...

Adrian Williams wrote:
What a waste of money
Surely they are just meeting a demand ? I doubt they are creating a school just to keep the welsh speaker happy. As the support for the school is via 'In principle.' this suggests it won't happen anyway.. we can look perhaps to the 'free schools' in England which are screwing the educational budget for billions and creating Islamic enclaves to boot, as well as setting up postcode areas to hand pick the more able pupils and dump the rest on the state.... It s only due to the fact Westminster has dumped Wales as a country of losers and labour supporters, they haven't tried that with any success here, I like to feel this at least is more a democratic system for our children. we know the tories are determined to make things difficult by constant cuts to budgets etc to force antipathy at welsh government. Bit most in wales still attach the blame to London and the Tories just the same.
[quote][p][bold]Adrian Williams[/bold] wrote: What a waste of money[/p][/quote]Surely they are just meeting a demand ? I doubt they are creating a school just to keep the welsh speaker happy. As the support for the school is via 'In principle.' this suggests it won't happen anyway.. we can look perhaps to the 'free schools' in England which are screwing the educational budget for billions and creating Islamic enclaves to boot, as well as setting up postcode areas to hand pick the more able pupils and dump the rest on the state.... It s only due to the fact Westminster has dumped Wales as a country of losers and labour supporters, they haven't tried that with any success here, I like to feel this at least is more a democratic system for our children. we know the tories are determined to make things difficult by constant cuts to budgets etc to force antipathy at welsh government. Bit most in wales still attach the blame to London and the Tories just the same. Mervyn James
  • Score: 4

6:39pm Sat 10 May 14

ngtarr says...

At present, there is a welsh speaking primary school in Newport (ysgol cymraeg casnewydd), but secondary school pupils who are having their education in welsh have to go to glynllyw. The statement that glynllyw will be oversubscribed in 2016 shows there is an increasing demand for welsh medium education. I had my education in English (i attended mount pleasant primary and then bassaleg) but did welsh as far as AS level. I'm not a fluent welsh speaker, but would like to be, not only to improve at speaking and understanding it, but to give me more opportunities and add it to my CV.
At present, there is a welsh speaking primary school in Newport (ysgol cymraeg casnewydd), but secondary school pupils who are having their education in welsh have to go to glynllyw. The statement that glynllyw will be oversubscribed in 2016 shows there is an increasing demand for welsh medium education. I had my education in English (i attended mount pleasant primary and then bassaleg) but did welsh as far as AS level. I'm not a fluent welsh speaker, but would like to be, not only to improve at speaking and understanding it, but to give me more opportunities and add it to my CV. ngtarr
  • Score: 4

8:47am Sun 11 May 14

Miss Informed says...

Grammar schools by stealth. Middle class parents send their children to the welsh schools as they have smaller class sizes and better results in comparison.
Welsh is a niche subject , a hobby. Should not be compulsory in Welsh schools, which are among the worst in Europe. Taxes should be spent on improving all schools for all children.
S4C and it's falling ratings show that no one is really interested in speaking Welsh other than amongst the middle class Taffia.
If people want to learn Welsh, should be optional.
Grammar schools by stealth. Middle class parents send their children to the welsh schools as they have smaller class sizes and better results in comparison. Welsh is a niche subject , a hobby. Should not be compulsory in Welsh schools, which are among the worst in Europe. Taxes should be spent on improving all schools for all children. S4C and it's falling ratings show that no one is really interested in speaking Welsh other than amongst the middle class Taffia. If people want to learn Welsh, should be optional. Miss Informed
  • Score: 6

9:31am Sun 11 May 14

scraptheWAG says...

Mervyn James wrote:
Adrian Williams wrote:
What a waste of money
Surely they are just meeting a demand ? I doubt they are creating a school just to keep the welsh speaker happy. As the support for the school is via 'In principle.' this suggests it won't happen anyway.. we can look perhaps to the 'free schools' in England which are screwing the educational budget for billions and creating Islamic enclaves to boot, as well as setting up postcode areas to hand pick the more able pupils and dump the rest on the state.... It s only due to the fact Westminster has dumped Wales as a country of losers and labour supporters, they haven't tried that with any success here, I like to feel this at least is more a democratic system for our children. we know the tories are determined to make things difficult by constant cuts to budgets etc to force antipathy at welsh government. Bit most in wales still attach the blame to London and the Tories just the same.
no i blame wind bag jones
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Adrian Williams[/bold] wrote: What a waste of money[/p][/quote]Surely they are just meeting a demand ? I doubt they are creating a school just to keep the welsh speaker happy. As the support for the school is via 'In principle.' this suggests it won't happen anyway.. we can look perhaps to the 'free schools' in England which are screwing the educational budget for billions and creating Islamic enclaves to boot, as well as setting up postcode areas to hand pick the more able pupils and dump the rest on the state.... It s only due to the fact Westminster has dumped Wales as a country of losers and labour supporters, they haven't tried that with any success here, I like to feel this at least is more a democratic system for our children. we know the tories are determined to make things difficult by constant cuts to budgets etc to force antipathy at welsh government. Bit most in wales still attach the blame to London and the Tories just the same.[/p][/quote]no i blame wind bag jones scraptheWAG
  • Score: -1

12:44pm Mon 12 May 14

sugar2002ukuk says...

I grew up in a generation where the welsh language was suppressed much to my disappointment. I didnt even know we had a separate language I would have loved to learn the language of my country and would have been proud to learn it. Employers love that employees can speak the language of there country even though they dont use it. I know a spanish teacher and she said if children learn a language from a young age there more likely to pick up others. I have no objection to a new school being built I would have loved the opportunity to learn it myself. So sad to see some of the vitriolic comments everyone has there opinions and I respect the objections but children should be given every opportunity to learn there countries language and heritage something that was denied to so many of us.
I grew up in a generation where the welsh language was suppressed much to my disappointment. I didnt even know we had a separate language I would have loved to learn the language of my country and would have been proud to learn it. Employers love that employees can speak the language of there country even though they dont use it. I know a spanish teacher and she said if children learn a language from a young age there more likely to pick up others. I have no objection to a new school being built I would have loved the opportunity to learn it myself. So sad to see some of the vitriolic comments everyone has there opinions and I respect the objections but children should be given every opportunity to learn there countries language and heritage something that was denied to so many of us. sugar2002ukuk
  • Score: -4

9:09am Tue 13 May 14

Mervyn James says...

sugar2002ukuk wrote:
I grew up in a generation where the welsh language was suppressed much to my disappointment. I didnt even know we had a separate language I would have loved to learn the language of my country and would have been proud to learn it. Employers love that employees can speak the language of there country even though they dont use it. I know a spanish teacher and she said if children learn a language from a young age there more likely to pick up others. I have no objection to a new school being built I would have loved the opportunity to learn it myself. So sad to see some of the vitriolic comments everyone has there opinions and I respect the objections but children should be given every opportunity to learn there countries language and heritage something that was denied to so many of us.
These people are the reason welsh was suppressed for hundreds of years, even when I was in school welsh wasn't even mentioned, not even in history lessons, which was denying children access to their heritage and a knowledge of real history. It was justified via the fact the welsh princes lost the wars. We should be using HANES CYMRU as a teaching aid, not, 'Kings and Queens of England' (White is all about Germans, really...).. Perverse ! yet we see them teaching mandarin and french even MORE perverse.....
[quote][p][bold]sugar2002ukuk[/bold] wrote: I grew up in a generation where the welsh language was suppressed much to my disappointment. I didnt even know we had a separate language I would have loved to learn the language of my country and would have been proud to learn it. Employers love that employees can speak the language of there country even though they dont use it. I know a spanish teacher and she said if children learn a language from a young age there more likely to pick up others. I have no objection to a new school being built I would have loved the opportunity to learn it myself. So sad to see some of the vitriolic comments everyone has there opinions and I respect the objections but children should be given every opportunity to learn there countries language and heritage something that was denied to so many of us.[/p][/quote]These people are the reason welsh was suppressed for hundreds of years, even when I was in school welsh wasn't even mentioned, not even in history lessons, which was denying children access to their heritage and a knowledge of real history. It was justified via the fact the welsh princes lost the wars. We should be using HANES CYMRU as a teaching aid, not, 'Kings and Queens of England' (White is all about Germans, really...).. Perverse ! yet we see them teaching mandarin and french even MORE perverse..... Mervyn James
  • Score: -3

10:59am Tue 13 May 14

Good Job No Kids says...

amandadavies8 wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
No problem with people sending their kids to a Welsh medium school as long as they aren't disproportionately better funded. But the quid-pro-quo should be that they drop the compulsory lessons to kids in English speaking ones, that way parents do get a clear choice. After all, most people have higher aspirations for their children than for them to have taxpayer funded jobs in Cerredigion or Cardiff Bay and statistically, many of them will finish up living and working elsewhere in the UK and never use the language again anyway.
Should they drop French, Spanish and German to .... Or is it just the welsh language u would like to see dropped from all schools in Wales ....
French, Spanish and German are all spoken in multiple countries with large economies. These languages might actually be of use to someone.

I am Welsh but see know use in the welsh language?

Never met a welsh speaker that doesn't speak English and if I had kids I would much prefer they had extra maths, English or even some exercise instead of Welsh.
[quote][p][bold]amandadavies8[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: No problem with people sending their kids to a Welsh medium school as long as they aren't disproportionately better funded. But the quid-pro-quo should be that they drop the compulsory lessons to kids in English speaking ones, that way parents do get a clear choice. After all, most people have higher aspirations for their children than for them to have taxpayer funded jobs in Cerredigion or Cardiff Bay and statistically, many of them will finish up living and working elsewhere in the UK and never use the language again anyway.[/p][/quote]Should they drop French, Spanish and German to .... Or is it just the welsh language u would like to see dropped from all schools in Wales ....[/p][/quote]French, Spanish and German are all spoken in multiple countries with large economies. These languages might actually be of use to someone. I am Welsh but see know use in the welsh language? Never met a welsh speaker that doesn't speak English and if I had kids I would much prefer they had extra maths, English or even some exercise instead of Welsh. Good Job No Kids
  • Score: 2

11:00am Tue 13 May 14

Good Job No Kids says...

Mervyn James wrote:
sugar2002ukuk wrote:
I grew up in a generation where the welsh language was suppressed much to my disappointment. I didnt even know we had a separate language I would have loved to learn the language of my country and would have been proud to learn it. Employers love that employees can speak the language of there country even though they dont use it. I know a spanish teacher and she said if children learn a language from a young age there more likely to pick up others. I have no objection to a new school being built I would have loved the opportunity to learn it myself. So sad to see some of the vitriolic comments everyone has there opinions and I respect the objections but children should be given every opportunity to learn there countries language and heritage something that was denied to so many of us.
These people are the reason welsh was suppressed for hundreds of years, even when I was in school welsh wasn't even mentioned, not even in history lessons, which was denying children access to their heritage and a knowledge of real history. It was justified via the fact the welsh princes lost the wars. We should be using HANES CYMRU as a teaching aid, not, 'Kings and Queens of England' (White is all about Germans, really...).. Perverse ! yet we see them teaching mandarin and french even MORE perverse.....
Mandarin & French may be of use in the future, Welsh won't.
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sugar2002ukuk[/bold] wrote: I grew up in a generation where the welsh language was suppressed much to my disappointment. I didnt even know we had a separate language I would have loved to learn the language of my country and would have been proud to learn it. Employers love that employees can speak the language of there country even though they dont use it. I know a spanish teacher and she said if children learn a language from a young age there more likely to pick up others. I have no objection to a new school being built I would have loved the opportunity to learn it myself. So sad to see some of the vitriolic comments everyone has there opinions and I respect the objections but children should be given every opportunity to learn there countries language and heritage something that was denied to so many of us.[/p][/quote]These people are the reason welsh was suppressed for hundreds of years, even when I was in school welsh wasn't even mentioned, not even in history lessons, which was denying children access to their heritage and a knowledge of real history. It was justified via the fact the welsh princes lost the wars. We should be using HANES CYMRU as a teaching aid, not, 'Kings and Queens of England' (White is all about Germans, really...).. Perverse ! yet we see them teaching mandarin and french even MORE perverse.....[/p][/quote]Mandarin & French may be of use in the future, Welsh won't. Good Job No Kids
  • Score: 3

11:06am Tue 13 May 14

Good Job No Kids says...

ngtarr wrote:
At present, there is a welsh speaking primary school in Newport (ysgol cymraeg casnewydd), but secondary school pupils who are having their education in welsh have to go to glynllyw. The statement that glynllyw will be oversubscribed in 2016 shows there is an increasing demand for welsh medium education. I had my education in English (i attended mount pleasant primary and then bassaleg) but did welsh as far as AS level. I'm not a fluent welsh speaker, but would like to be, not only to improve at speaking and understanding it, but to give me more opportunities and add it to my CV.
It's nothing to do with a desire to learn Welsh, but everything to do with results tables and as said previously by someone else on here, the class sizes are smaller in the welsh schools and results comparatively better.

Therefore the parents just push the kids into a welsh primary then secondary for the surrounding factors, the learning of welsh is well down the list of priorities.

Many of my friends have children and have done just that for those very reasons.

To say that welsh is in demand is delusional, it's the other benefits it brings giving a false impression of popularity.
[quote][p][bold]ngtarr[/bold] wrote: At present, there is a welsh speaking primary school in Newport (ysgol cymraeg casnewydd), but secondary school pupils who are having their education in welsh have to go to glynllyw. The statement that glynllyw will be oversubscribed in 2016 shows there is an increasing demand for welsh medium education. I had my education in English (i attended mount pleasant primary and then bassaleg) but did welsh as far as AS level. I'm not a fluent welsh speaker, but would like to be, not only to improve at speaking and understanding it, but to give me more opportunities and add it to my CV.[/p][/quote]It's nothing to do with a desire to learn Welsh, but everything to do with results tables and as said previously by someone else on here, the class sizes are smaller in the welsh schools and results comparatively better. Therefore the parents just push the kids into a welsh primary then secondary for the surrounding factors, the learning of welsh is well down the list of priorities. Many of my friends have children and have done just that for those very reasons. To say that welsh is in demand is delusional, it's the other benefits it brings giving a false impression of popularity. Good Job No Kids
  • Score: -1

1:08pm Tue 13 May 14

mills191184 says...

Good Job No Kids wrote:
amandadavies8 wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
No problem with people sending their kids to a Welsh medium school as long as they aren't disproportionately better funded. But the quid-pro-quo should be that they drop the compulsory lessons to kids in English speaking ones, that way parents do get a clear choice. After all, most people have higher aspirations for their children than for them to have taxpayer funded jobs in Cerredigion or Cardiff Bay and statistically, many of them will finish up living and working elsewhere in the UK and never use the language again anyway.
Should they drop French, Spanish and German to .... Or is it just the welsh language u would like to see dropped from all schools in Wales ....
French, Spanish and German are all spoken in multiple countries with large economies. These languages might actually be of use to someone.

I am Welsh but see know use in the welsh language?

Never met a welsh speaker that doesn't speak English and if I had kids I would much prefer they had extra maths, English or even some exercise instead of Welsh.
Maybe if you went to a welsh medium school you would its "no" not "know" and you sentence was a statement not a question so you don't need the ? at the end
[quote][p][bold]Good Job No Kids[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]amandadavies8[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: No problem with people sending their kids to a Welsh medium school as long as they aren't disproportionately better funded. But the quid-pro-quo should be that they drop the compulsory lessons to kids in English speaking ones, that way parents do get a clear choice. After all, most people have higher aspirations for their children than for them to have taxpayer funded jobs in Cerredigion or Cardiff Bay and statistically, many of them will finish up living and working elsewhere in the UK and never use the language again anyway.[/p][/quote]Should they drop French, Spanish and German to .... Or is it just the welsh language u would like to see dropped from all schools in Wales ....[/p][/quote]French, Spanish and German are all spoken in multiple countries with large economies. These languages might actually be of use to someone. I am Welsh but see know use in the welsh language? Never met a welsh speaker that doesn't speak English and if I had kids I would much prefer they had extra maths, English or even some exercise instead of Welsh.[/p][/quote]Maybe if you went to a welsh medium school you would its "no" not "know" and you sentence was a statement not a question so you don't need the ? at the end mills191184
  • Score: 3

6:12pm Tue 13 May 14

Mwy Eira says...

Miss Informed wrote:
Grammar schools by stealth. Middle class parents send their children to the welsh schools as they have smaller class sizes and better results in comparison.
Welsh is a niche subject , a hobby. Should not be compulsory in Welsh schools, which are among the worst in Europe. Taxes should be spent on improving all schools for all children.
S4C and it's falling ratings show that no one is really interested in speaking Welsh other than amongst the middle class Taffia.
If people want to learn Welsh, should be optional.
Rubbish. We have a real cross section at Casnewydd. To say it is a niche subject or hobby is incredibly insulting and you have no idea what you are talking about.
[quote][p][bold]Miss Informed[/bold] wrote: Grammar schools by stealth. Middle class parents send their children to the welsh schools as they have smaller class sizes and better results in comparison. Welsh is a niche subject , a hobby. Should not be compulsory in Welsh schools, which are among the worst in Europe. Taxes should be spent on improving all schools for all children. S4C and it's falling ratings show that no one is really interested in speaking Welsh other than amongst the middle class Taffia. If people want to learn Welsh, should be optional.[/p][/quote]Rubbish. We have a real cross section at Casnewydd. To say it is a niche subject or hobby is incredibly insulting and you have no idea what you are talking about. Mwy Eira
  • Score: 2

8:58am Wed 14 May 14

Mervyn James says...

Good Job No Kids wrote:
Mervyn James wrote:
sugar2002ukuk wrote:
I grew up in a generation where the welsh language was suppressed much to my disappointment. I didnt even know we had a separate language I would have loved to learn the language of my country and would have been proud to learn it. Employers love that employees can speak the language of there country even though they dont use it. I know a spanish teacher and she said if children learn a language from a young age there more likely to pick up others. I have no objection to a new school being built I would have loved the opportunity to learn it myself. So sad to see some of the vitriolic comments everyone has there opinions and I respect the objections but children should be given every opportunity to learn there countries language and heritage something that was denied to so many of us.
These people are the reason welsh was suppressed for hundreds of years, even when I was in school welsh wasn't even mentioned, not even in history lessons, which was denying children access to their heritage and a knowledge of real history. It was justified via the fact the welsh princes lost the wars. We should be using HANES CYMRU as a teaching aid, not, 'Kings and Queens of England' (White is all about Germans, really...).. Perverse ! yet we see them teaching mandarin and french even MORE perverse.....
Mandarin & French may be of use in the future, Welsh won't.
'May' is hardly encouraging is it ! Don't see it in Wales. The basic issue is near ALL of our kids show little or no interest in ANY language acquisition. A number of schools here in Newport have so many migrant children, it is all becoming academic. Worse the state recognizes that and rejects Welsh and even English as a priority in some cases. You are more likely to find a basic knowledge of Urdu or Polish more use. Certainly the Gwent Hospital prioritizes polish over some languages in Newport now. You take your eye off the real ball, welsh isn't the threat, but these others, are... and in our own country.
[quote][p][bold]Good Job No Kids[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sugar2002ukuk[/bold] wrote: I grew up in a generation where the welsh language was suppressed much to my disappointment. I didnt even know we had a separate language I would have loved to learn the language of my country and would have been proud to learn it. Employers love that employees can speak the language of there country even though they dont use it. I know a spanish teacher and she said if children learn a language from a young age there more likely to pick up others. I have no objection to a new school being built I would have loved the opportunity to learn it myself. So sad to see some of the vitriolic comments everyone has there opinions and I respect the objections but children should be given every opportunity to learn there countries language and heritage something that was denied to so many of us.[/p][/quote]These people are the reason welsh was suppressed for hundreds of years, even when I was in school welsh wasn't even mentioned, not even in history lessons, which was denying children access to their heritage and a knowledge of real history. It was justified via the fact the welsh princes lost the wars. We should be using HANES CYMRU as a teaching aid, not, 'Kings and Queens of England' (White is all about Germans, really...).. Perverse ! yet we see them teaching mandarin and french even MORE perverse.....[/p][/quote]Mandarin & French may be of use in the future, Welsh won't.[/p][/quote]'May' is hardly encouraging is it ! Don't see it in Wales. The basic issue is near ALL of our kids show little or no interest in ANY language acquisition. A number of schools here in Newport have so many migrant children, it is all becoming academic. Worse the state recognizes that and rejects Welsh and even English as a priority in some cases. You are more likely to find a basic knowledge of Urdu or Polish more use. Certainly the Gwent Hospital prioritizes polish over some languages in Newport now. You take your eye off the real ball, welsh isn't the threat, but these others, are... and in our own country. Mervyn James
  • Score: 0

1:25pm Wed 14 May 14

Spinflight says...

What Newport needs is a Grammar School, not a Welsh language school. It seems at present that unless you are a Catholic your kids are set up to fail in Newport.

it seems the only people who oppose UKIP's education policies are our elected scumbags...


ukipnewport.com
What Newport needs is a Grammar School, not a Welsh language school. It seems at present that unless you are a Catholic your kids are set up to fail in Newport. it seems the only people who oppose UKIP's education policies are our elected scumbags... ukipnewport.com Spinflight
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