Leisure could face cuts if Newport council keeps control

South Wales Argus: Leisure could face cuts if Newport council keeps control Leisure could face cuts if Newport council keeps control

SPORT and leisure services in Newport could face significant cuts if the city’s council keeps them in house, a report on a proposed leisure trust has warned.

Newport council cabinet documents make a stark warning that if the services stay in house it will be difficult to make needed savings of more than £400,000 without shutting facilities.

The group of senior Labour councillors is to consider again on Monday whether the authority should transfer its leisure services into a trust, after they expressed caution and put off the decision at a meeting last March. The sites which would potentially go over to a trust include Newport Centre, the Active LIving Centre in Bettws, Newport Velodrome, Newport Stadium and the Tennis Centre, Spytty.

Labour cabinet member for leisure and culture Debbie Wilcox says she’s signed up to the plan, and the state of local government finance led her to change her mind.

If it is given the go-ahead, the trust could be operational by 2015.

The report to cabinet explains that cabinet members have been given further briefings on the proposals since the March meeting.

Newport council is aiming to save £412,000 within the sport and leisure services department by 2017, under current budget projections.

But the report explains it is “unlikely that a saving of £412,000 could be achieved in the short term through continuing with an in-house service without further facility closures and a significant reduction in services for residents”.

Savings of £412,000 can be achieved through tax relief on business rates that would be available to a trust, the report explains, and the body would also be exempt of VAT on certain income.

Setting up the trust will cost £865,000, which would need to be funded out of the council’s invest-to-save fund.

Labour cabinet members at their meeting in March had expressed caution about the plans.

Councillor Bob Poole said he didn’t like giving the family jewels away, and Cllr Wilcox said the proposed saving was small.

But Cllr Wilcox yesterday said her lukewarm welcome to the proposals at the last cabinet meeting “came from the fact that my natural sympathies and political stance is that we provide services for people”.

“I just had to revise that view looking at the current state of local government finance,” she said.

She added she was now signed up to the plan: “We can’t keep on doing things the way we have done them, because we don’t have the money.”

Labour backbench Cllr Chris Evans, who sat on a panel of councillors that reviewed the project, expressed concerns at the implications of setting up a trust in order to save tax, describing it as a tax dodge.

He said: “Is it right and proper that a Labour council effectively endorses dodging tax?”

Cllr Matthew Evans, Tory group leader, said people across the city are not “particularly precious about who runs services.

“I can’t understand the ‘council must run this’ mentality,” he said.

Leisure trusts are not unique to Newport – Torfaen already has one established, while Blaenau Gwent is looking to set one up in the summer.

Cabinet members will consider whether to push ahead with the trust at their meeting on Monday.

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9:05am Sat 10 May 14

Magor says...

Give the NewportCentre to someone who will stage concerts like there used to be.
Give the NewportCentre to someone who will stage concerts like there used to be. Magor
  • Score: 32

9:09am Sat 10 May 14

Woodgnome says...

Leisure centres, public transport, school transport, highway maintenance, etc (all recent Argus stories) are very expensive. Newport Council should just occasionally listen to the people of Newport as to what the public want - not what the inward looking Bright and cronies think they want.
Leisure centres, public transport, school transport, highway maintenance, etc (all recent Argus stories) are very expensive. Newport Council should just occasionally listen to the people of Newport as to what the public want - not what the inward looking Bright and cronies think they want. Woodgnome
  • Score: 30

10:27am Sat 10 May 14

Mervyn James says...

All this type of cut does is remove social areas from the community, and we will end up with just pubs and clubs and people queuing at off-licences to get drunk out of it all. Mostly, the elderly who have no other recourse for a social interactions the people who don't 't talk to anyone for days or weeks on end, will be even more isolated, they also are cutting care support to the disabled children and young people, leaving carers in dire straits and these vulnerable young people in a hopeless position. A number can present issues if they have poor mental health too. We are witnessing the death of community.
All this type of cut does is remove social areas from the community, and we will end up with just pubs and clubs and people queuing at off-licences to get drunk out of it all. Mostly, the elderly who have no other recourse for a social interactions the people who don't 't talk to anyone for days or weeks on end, will be even more isolated, they also are cutting care support to the disabled children and young people, leaving carers in dire straits and these vulnerable young people in a hopeless position. A number can present issues if they have poor mental health too. We are witnessing the death of community. Mervyn James
  • Score: -4

10:42am Sat 10 May 14

scraptheWAG says...

Mervyn James wrote:
All this type of cut does is remove social areas from the community, and we will end up with just pubs and clubs and people queuing at off-licences to get drunk out of it all. Mostly, the elderly who have no other recourse for a social interactions the people who don't 't talk to anyone for days or weeks on end, will be even more isolated, they also are cutting care support to the disabled children and young people, leaving carers in dire straits and these vulnerable young people in a hopeless position. A number can present issues if they have poor mental health too. We are witnessing the death of community.
i know merv its due to those nasty tories lol

meanwhile down the bay there are millions to subsidise airports, hundreds of millions for welsh language millions for extensions to the WAG empty planes flying daily to anglesey at the cost of 2 million per annum for the benefit of 2 AM's , talk of increasing the assembly by 30%.

when will the people of newport wake up
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: All this type of cut does is remove social areas from the community, and we will end up with just pubs and clubs and people queuing at off-licences to get drunk out of it all. Mostly, the elderly who have no other recourse for a social interactions the people who don't 't talk to anyone for days or weeks on end, will be even more isolated, they also are cutting care support to the disabled children and young people, leaving carers in dire straits and these vulnerable young people in a hopeless position. A number can present issues if they have poor mental health too. We are witnessing the death of community.[/p][/quote]i know merv its due to those nasty tories lol meanwhile down the bay there are millions to subsidise airports, hundreds of millions for welsh language millions for extensions to the WAG empty planes flying daily to anglesey at the cost of 2 million per annum for the benefit of 2 AM's , talk of increasing the assembly by 30%. when will the people of newport wake up scraptheWAG
  • Score: 24

10:45am Sat 10 May 14

Llanmartinangel says...

scraptheWAG wrote:
Mervyn James wrote:
All this type of cut does is remove social areas from the community, and we will end up with just pubs and clubs and people queuing at off-licences to get drunk out of it all. Mostly, the elderly who have no other recourse for a social interactions the people who don't 't talk to anyone for days or weeks on end, will be even more isolated, they also are cutting care support to the disabled children and young people, leaving carers in dire straits and these vulnerable young people in a hopeless position. A number can present issues if they have poor mental health too. We are witnessing the death of community.
i know merv its due to those nasty tories lol

meanwhile down the bay there are millions to subsidise airports, hundreds of millions for welsh language millions for extensions to the WAG empty planes flying daily to anglesey at the cost of 2 million per annum for the benefit of 2 AM's , talk of increasing the assembly by 30%.

when will the people of newport wake up
That's actually true isn't it.
[quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: All this type of cut does is remove social areas from the community, and we will end up with just pubs and clubs and people queuing at off-licences to get drunk out of it all. Mostly, the elderly who have no other recourse for a social interactions the people who don't 't talk to anyone for days or weeks on end, will be even more isolated, they also are cutting care support to the disabled children and young people, leaving carers in dire straits and these vulnerable young people in a hopeless position. A number can present issues if they have poor mental health too. We are witnessing the death of community.[/p][/quote]i know merv its due to those nasty tories lol meanwhile down the bay there are millions to subsidise airports, hundreds of millions for welsh language millions for extensions to the WAG empty planes flying daily to anglesey at the cost of 2 million per annum for the benefit of 2 AM's , talk of increasing the assembly by 30%. when will the people of newport wake up[/p][/quote]That's actually true isn't it. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 15

11:35am Sat 10 May 14

lowandhardandinthecorner says...

Once these facilities are lost to Council control, costs will go up and attendances will drop. In no time they'll be closed and lost to the public forever. Just what the tories would like, leisure only for the rich.
Once these facilities are lost to Council control, costs will go up and attendances will drop. In no time they'll be closed and lost to the public forever. Just what the tories would like, leisure only for the rich. lowandhardandinthecorner
  • Score: -10

12:05pm Sat 10 May 14

Mr Bump. says...

Cut, cut, cut, cut. I know the Council have to make cutbacks but they are picking on the services that benefit everyone rather than niche ones that only benefit a few. STOP free bus services to St Josephs from all over the City. If parents want their kids to go to this place, they should pay their bus fare. Why should we all miss out on subsidised leisure, when we can make common sense cutbacks?
Cut, cut, cut, cut. I know the Council have to make cutbacks but they are picking on the services that benefit everyone rather than niche ones that only benefit a few. STOP free bus services to St Josephs from all over the City. If parents want their kids to go to this place, they should pay their bus fare. Why should we all miss out on subsidised leisure, when we can make common sense cutbacks? Mr Bump.
  • Score: 17

12:44pm Sat 10 May 14

snafu1 says...

D,ont forget people of Newport ,your council squandered £349000 (three hundred and forty nine thousand pounds) of our money on the ridiculous legal case against the taxi drivers,could,t make up
D,ont forget people of Newport ,your council squandered £349000 (three hundred and forty nine thousand pounds) of our money on the ridiculous legal case against the taxi drivers,could,t make up snafu1
  • Score: 18

1:36pm Sat 10 May 14

Woodgnome says...

snafu1 wrote:
D,ont forget people of Newport ,your council squandered £349000 (three hundred and forty nine thousand pounds) of our money on the ridiculous legal case against the taxi drivers,could,t make up
.....and replaced green bins (pointlessly) at a cost of nearly £1M. Yet the people of Newport keep voting 'em in. Will stand a loss of several £M to provide traveller sites. Those who voted for 'em should not now moan about it.
[quote][p][bold]snafu1[/bold] wrote: D,ont forget people of Newport ,your council squandered £349000 (three hundred and forty nine thousand pounds) of our money on the ridiculous legal case against the taxi drivers,could,t make up[/p][/quote].....and replaced green bins (pointlessly) at a cost of nearly £1M. Yet the people of Newport keep voting 'em in. Will stand a loss of several £M to provide traveller sites. Those who voted for 'em should not now moan about it. Woodgnome
  • Score: 20

2:36pm Sat 10 May 14

newporteast says...

Another mess Labour have got us into. Could the trusts sell of Council owned Leisure land for housing?
We need councillors to look after and keep these prime assets, we need change don’t vote Labour
Another mess Labour have got us into. Could the trusts sell of Council owned Leisure land for housing? We need councillors to look after and keep these prime assets, we need change don’t vote Labour newporteast
  • Score: 14

3:35pm Sat 10 May 14

Llanmartinangel says...

lowandhardandintheco
rner
wrote:
Once these facilities are lost to Council control, costs will go up and attendances will drop. In no time they'll be closed and lost to the public forever. Just what the tories would like, leisure only for the rich.
Whatever the problems with Newport are, the Tories ain't in there. Wales is virtually a one-party state. Incompetence from the bottom up.
[quote][p][bold]lowandhardandintheco rner[/bold] wrote: Once these facilities are lost to Council control, costs will go up and attendances will drop. In no time they'll be closed and lost to the public forever. Just what the tories would like, leisure only for the rich.[/p][/quote]Whatever the problems with Newport are, the Tories ain't in there. Wales is virtually a one-party state. Incompetence from the bottom up. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 15

4:15pm Sat 10 May 14

Magor says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
lowandhardandintheco

rner
wrote:
Once these facilities are lost to Council control, costs will go up and attendances will drop. In no time they'll be closed and lost to the public forever. Just what the tories would like, leisure only for the rich.
Whatever the problems with Newport are, the Tories ain't in there. Wales is virtually a one-party state. Incompetence from the bottom up.
That is the problem,if you want to see things improve dont vote Labour.Imagine what it would be like if the only shop were Tesco.We need competition.
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lowandhardandintheco rner[/bold] wrote: Once these facilities are lost to Council control, costs will go up and attendances will drop. In no time they'll be closed and lost to the public forever. Just what the tories would like, leisure only for the rich.[/p][/quote]Whatever the problems with Newport are, the Tories ain't in there. Wales is virtually a one-party state. Incompetence from the bottom up.[/p][/quote]That is the problem,if you want to see things improve dont vote Labour.Imagine what it would be like if the only shop were Tesco.We need competition. Magor
  • Score: 15

7:49pm Sat 10 May 14

fedupjon says...

Isnt it about time the Council actually made a decision on this. Personally I am opposed to the transfer to a trust but it would be nice if they could make a decision one way or the other.
Torfaen has only just transferred its leisure services so It would not be reasonable to use them for a comparison. You could try North Wales where the leisure facilities have closed since the transfer.
It was very bold of Councillor poole to suggest we dont sell off the family jewels but the Council already did that with tredegar House.
Isnt it about time the Council actually made a decision on this. Personally I am opposed to the transfer to a trust but it would be nice if they could make a decision one way or the other. Torfaen has only just transferred its leisure services so It would not be reasonable to use them for a comparison. You could try North Wales where the leisure facilities have closed since the transfer. It was very bold of Councillor poole to suggest we dont sell off the family jewels but the Council already did that with tredegar House. fedupjon
  • Score: 0

9:10pm Sat 10 May 14

scraptheWAG says...

Magor wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
lowandhardandintheco


rner
wrote:
Once these facilities are lost to Council control, costs will go up and attendances will drop. In no time they'll be closed and lost to the public forever. Just what the tories would like, leisure only for the rich.
Whatever the problems with Newport are, the Tories ain't in there. Wales is virtually a one-party state. Incompetence from the bottom up.
That is the problem,if you want to see things improve dont vote Labour.Imagine what it would be like if the only shop were Tesco.We need competition.
vote labour your father did
[quote][p][bold]Magor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lowandhardandintheco rner[/bold] wrote: Once these facilities are lost to Council control, costs will go up and attendances will drop. In no time they'll be closed and lost to the public forever. Just what the tories would like, leisure only for the rich.[/p][/quote]Whatever the problems with Newport are, the Tories ain't in there. Wales is virtually a one-party state. Incompetence from the bottom up.[/p][/quote]That is the problem,if you want to see things improve dont vote Labour.Imagine what it would be like if the only shop were Tesco.We need competition.[/p][/quote]vote labour your father did scraptheWAG
  • Score: -4

9:43pm Sat 10 May 14

pbhj says...

The article says it's going to cost £850k to create the trust and it's going to save £400k - I'm hoping that's bad reporting?

The only leisure services I can think of that got transferred to be run by a trust is Pill Mill which closed shortly afterwards for lack of funds.

Doing some weird dodge by putting things in to a trust just looks like the Council trying to create a body to blame when the inevitable demise comes. A trust can't run these concerns for less than the Council, can they? If the Council know they can then they could save their £850k and simply take on the proposed trust manager as a consultant for a year to instigate the changes that are supposed to save running costs.

If savings can be made this needs to be proven before the money is spent on making a trust. If proven savings can be made then there's no need to make a trust as it means that savings can already be made, with the addition of saving the cost of creating the trust.

A swimming pool, say, has the same costs no matter who runs it and they're largely going to be paying the same for those costs - pay staff; pay rent, rates; pay bills for maintenance, heat, light, water; et cetera..

It sounds like they're saying using a trust will avoid business rates (£850k worth of business rates???). But that's just political money-pot shuffling, business rates are payable to government, they're not a real cost.

"The Council must run this" Mr Evans because the council's raison d'etre is to serve the populous; it is in an unique position in which it can - if properly run - tie together services in order to enrich the people of Newport and it's environs. The Council have the professional capacity, the personnel, the experience to properly run such services in an efficient way. If it's not being run efficiently then there's a lack of oversight, review, training or improper hiring processes. Duplicating management and administrative services by duplicating the bodies that run such services leads to inefficiency and puts blocks in the way of proper joined-up governance. Investing in sport, for example, should create savings in health.

Presumably Cllr Wilcox was convinced with hard figures from other leisure trusts showing genuine savings for the entities managed by the trusts?
The article says it's going to cost £850k to create the trust and it's going to save £400k - I'm hoping that's bad reporting? The only leisure services I can think of that got transferred to be run by a trust is Pill Mill which closed shortly afterwards for lack of funds. Doing some weird dodge by putting things in to a trust just looks like the Council trying to create a body to blame when the inevitable demise comes. A trust can't run these concerns for less than the Council, can they? If the Council know they can then they could save their £850k and simply take on the proposed trust manager as a consultant for a year to instigate the changes that are supposed to save running costs. If savings can be made this needs to be proven before the money is spent on making a trust. If proven savings can be made then there's no need to make a trust as it means that savings can already be made, with the addition of saving the cost of creating the trust. A swimming pool, say, has the same costs no matter who runs it and they're largely going to be paying the same for those costs - pay staff; pay rent, rates; pay bills for maintenance, heat, light, water; et cetera.. It sounds like they're saying using a [Charitable?] trust will avoid business rates (£850k worth of business rates???). But that's just political money-pot shuffling, business rates are payable to government, they're not a real cost. "The Council must run this" Mr Evans because the council's raison d'etre is to serve the populous; it is in an unique position in which it can - if properly run - tie together services in order to enrich the people of Newport and it's environs. The Council have the professional capacity, the personnel, the experience to properly run such services in an efficient way. If it's not being run efficiently then there's a lack of oversight, review, training or improper hiring processes. Duplicating management and administrative services by duplicating the bodies that run such services leads to inefficiency and puts blocks in the way of proper joined-up governance. Investing in sport, for example, should create savings in health. Presumably Cllr Wilcox was convinced with hard figures from other leisure trusts showing genuine savings for the entities managed by the trusts? pbhj
  • Score: 0

4:02am Sun 11 May 14

Mr Bump. says...

Magor wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
lowandhardandintheco


rner
wrote:
Once these facilities are lost to Council control, costs will go up and attendances will drop. In no time they'll be closed and lost to the public forever. Just what the tories would like, leisure only for the rich.
Whatever the problems with Newport are, the Tories ain't in there. Wales is virtually a one-party state. Incompetence from the bottom up.
That is the problem,if you want to see things improve dont vote Labour.Imagine what it would be like if the only shop were Tesco.We need competition.
Good grief, did you miss the way the Tories and Lib Dems ran the council into the ground when they were running the show? I hope we never ever get either one of those parties running the show in Newport again.
[quote][p][bold]Magor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lowandhardandintheco rner[/bold] wrote: Once these facilities are lost to Council control, costs will go up and attendances will drop. In no time they'll be closed and lost to the public forever. Just what the tories would like, leisure only for the rich.[/p][/quote]Whatever the problems with Newport are, the Tories ain't in there. Wales is virtually a one-party state. Incompetence from the bottom up.[/p][/quote]That is the problem,if you want to see things improve dont vote Labour.Imagine what it would be like if the only shop were Tesco.We need competition.[/p][/quote]Good grief, did you miss the way the Tories and Lib Dems ran the council into the ground when they were running the show? I hope we never ever get either one of those parties running the show in Newport again. Mr Bump.
  • Score: -6

7:22am Sun 11 May 14

Woodgnome says...

fedupjon wrote:
Isnt it about time the Council actually made a decision on this. Personally I am opposed to the transfer to a trust but it would be nice if they could make a decision one way or the other.
Torfaen has only just transferred its leisure services so It would not be reasonable to use them for a comparison. You could try North Wales where the leisure facilities have closed since the transfer.
It was very bold of Councillor poole to suggest we dont sell off the family jewels but the Council already did that with tredegar House.
Are you being serious? The Council had run down Tredegar House for decades and barely anyone visited inside the house. To lease it to the National Trust was a no brainer and it gets better by the month.
[quote][p][bold]fedupjon[/bold] wrote: Isnt it about time the Council actually made a decision on this. Personally I am opposed to the transfer to a trust but it would be nice if they could make a decision one way or the other. Torfaen has only just transferred its leisure services so It would not be reasonable to use them for a comparison. You could try North Wales where the leisure facilities have closed since the transfer. It was very bold of Councillor poole to suggest we dont sell off the family jewels but the Council already did that with tredegar House.[/p][/quote]Are you being serious? The Council had run down Tredegar House for decades and barely anyone visited inside the house. To lease it to the National Trust was a no brainer and it gets better by the month. Woodgnome
  • Score: 1

9:25am Sun 11 May 14

scraptheWAG says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
lowandhardandintheco

rner
wrote:
Once these facilities are lost to Council control, costs will go up and attendances will drop. In no time they'll be closed and lost to the public forever. Just what the tories would like, leisure only for the rich.
Whatever the problems with Newport are, the Tories ain't in there. Wales is virtually a one-party state. Incompetence from the bottom up.
its like a religion in wales i expect some in wales turn to the assembly and prey to there idol Carwyn bag of wind jones
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lowandhardandintheco rner[/bold] wrote: Once these facilities are lost to Council control, costs will go up and attendances will drop. In no time they'll be closed and lost to the public forever. Just what the tories would like, leisure only for the rich.[/p][/quote]Whatever the problems with Newport are, the Tories ain't in there. Wales is virtually a one-party state. Incompetence from the bottom up.[/p][/quote]its like a religion in wales i expect some in wales turn to the assembly and prey to there idol Carwyn bag of wind jones scraptheWAG
  • Score: 1

11:14am Sun 11 May 14

wagtail says...

Magor says...

Give the NewportCentre to someone who will stage concerts like there used to be

Could not agree more!!

Not enough events happening in Newport to make it viable, The Riverfront is also under used. We need bars and restaurants to support these facilities to make it a vibranr city so people can enjoy an evening out not just a visit to a venue.

Cardiff Bay and Bristol Riverfront are perfect examples. Take note NCC.
Magor says... Give the NewportCentre to someone who will stage concerts like there used to be Could not agree more!! Not enough events happening in Newport to make it viable, The Riverfront is also under used. We need bars and restaurants to support these facilities to make it a vibranr city so people can enjoy an evening out not just a visit to a venue. Cardiff Bay and Bristol Riverfront are perfect examples. Take note NCC. wagtail
  • Score: 4

8:50pm Sun 11 May 14

scraptheWAG says...

wagtail wrote:
Magor says...

Give the NewportCentre to someone who will stage concerts like there used to be

Could not agree more!!

Not enough events happening in Newport to make it viable, The Riverfront is also under used. We need bars and restaurants to support these facilities to make it a vibranr city so people can enjoy an evening out not just a visit to a venue.

Cardiff Bay and Bristol Riverfront are perfect examples. Take note NCC.
bristol is a prosperous city with aircraft manufacture etc Cardiff a town propped up with grant money and public sector jobs newport is left with nothing,
[quote][p][bold]wagtail[/bold] wrote: Magor says... Give the NewportCentre to someone who will stage concerts like there used to be Could not agree more!! Not enough events happening in Newport to make it viable, The Riverfront is also under used. We need bars and restaurants to support these facilities to make it a vibranr city so people can enjoy an evening out not just a visit to a venue. Cardiff Bay and Bristol Riverfront are perfect examples. Take note NCC.[/p][/quote]bristol is a prosperous city with aircraft manufacture etc Cardiff a town propped up with grant money and public sector jobs newport is left with nothing, scraptheWAG
  • Score: 2

10:34am Mon 12 May 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

Magor wrote:
Give the NewportCentre to someone who will stage concerts like there used to be.
Absolutely.
Although, we could do with a decent concert venue here anyway.
[quote][p][bold]Magor[/bold] wrote: Give the NewportCentre to someone who will stage concerts like there used to be.[/p][/quote]Absolutely. Although, we could do with a decent concert venue here anyway. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: -2

10:37am Mon 12 May 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

Magor wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
lowandhardandintheco


rner
wrote:
Once these facilities are lost to Council control, costs will go up and attendances will drop. In no time they'll be closed and lost to the public forever. Just what the tories would like, leisure only for the rich.
Whatever the problems with Newport are, the Tories ain't in there. Wales is virtually a one-party state. Incompetence from the bottom up.
That is the problem,if you want to see things improve dont vote Labour.Imagine what it would be like if the only shop were Tesco.We need competition.
Don't hold your breath.
We are not likely to get change here.
Labour will be in power for eternity in Wales.
[quote][p][bold]Magor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lowandhardandintheco rner[/bold] wrote: Once these facilities are lost to Council control, costs will go up and attendances will drop. In no time they'll be closed and lost to the public forever. Just what the tories would like, leisure only for the rich.[/p][/quote]Whatever the problems with Newport are, the Tories ain't in there. Wales is virtually a one-party state. Incompetence from the bottom up.[/p][/quote]That is the problem,if you want to see things improve dont vote Labour.Imagine what it would be like if the only shop were Tesco.We need competition.[/p][/quote]Don't hold your breath. We are not likely to get change here. Labour will be in power for eternity in Wales. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: -2

10:40am Mon 12 May 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

wagtail wrote:
Magor says...

Give the NewportCentre to someone who will stage concerts like there used to be

Could not agree more!!

Not enough events happening in Newport to make it viable, The Riverfront is also under used. We need bars and restaurants to support these facilities to make it a vibranr city so people can enjoy an evening out not just a visit to a venue.

Cardiff Bay and Bristol Riverfront are perfect examples. Take note NCC.
Agree.
But you have to avoid the foul mouthed drunks on your way to the Riverfront.
Years ago, the police would have moved them on.
[quote][p][bold]wagtail[/bold] wrote: Magor says... Give the NewportCentre to someone who will stage concerts like there used to be Could not agree more!! Not enough events happening in Newport to make it viable, The Riverfront is also under used. We need bars and restaurants to support these facilities to make it a vibranr city so people can enjoy an evening out not just a visit to a venue. Cardiff Bay and Bristol Riverfront are perfect examples. Take note NCC.[/p][/quote]Agree. But you have to avoid the foul mouthed drunks on your way to the Riverfront. Years ago, the police would have moved them on. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: 1

11:19am Mon 12 May 14

county mad says...

lowandhardandintheco
rner
wrote:
Once these facilities are lost to Council control, costs will go up and attendances will drop. In no time they'll be closed and lost to the public forever. Just what the tories would like, leisure only for the rich.
You blinketed idiot tjis is a labour council under a labour assembly why dont they trim their bloated expenses instead of a politically motivated cut. Wake up sheeple stop voting the greedy incompetants in!
[quote][p][bold]lowandhardandintheco rner[/bold] wrote: Once these facilities are lost to Council control, costs will go up and attendances will drop. In no time they'll be closed and lost to the public forever. Just what the tories would like, leisure only for the rich.[/p][/quote]You blinketed idiot tjis is a labour council under a labour assembly why dont they trim their bloated expenses instead of a politically motivated cut. Wake up sheeple stop voting the greedy incompetants in! county mad
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6:17pm Mon 12 May 14

Chartist follower says...

set up a trust?
we trusted the elected representatives to do a proper job with an experienced team of professionals
all of these will be transfrred on full pay and coditions which will kill anychance of the trust actually saving money
what this is about is shifting the blame for the forthcoming redundancies

when they move the council will have less to do
so maybe fewer councillors?
set up a trust? we trusted the elected representatives to do a proper job with an experienced team of professionals all of these will be transfrred on full pay and coditions which will kill anychance of the trust actually saving money what this is about is shifting the blame for the forthcoming redundancies when they move the council will have less to do so maybe fewer councillors? Chartist follower
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1:49pm Wed 14 May 14

Spinflight says...

Our pointless liblabcon councillors cost us almost a million quid a year...

What would you rather have, leisure facilities or a labour apparatchik on £50k a year busily closing down power stations?


ukipnewport.com
Our pointless liblabcon councillors cost us almost a million quid a year... What would you rather have, leisure facilities or a labour apparatchik on £50k a year busily closing down power stations? ukipnewport.com Spinflight
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