Assembly’s birthday brings mixed response

Assembly’s birthday brings mixed response

ANNIVERSARY: The Senedd is 15 years old

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YES VOTE: Dominic Mayer, from Chepstow Road said he would have voted for devolution. (6096709)

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WITH today marking 15 years since the birth of the National Assembly for Wales, its Newport-based presiding officer says the chamber has become a model for modern democracy.

But opposition figures have used the anniversary as an opportunity to attack Labour’s record in Wales, with the leader of the Welsh Lib Dems saying the party’s failings are undermining people’s faith in devolution.

It was on May 12, 1999, that the National Assembly for Wales was founded in Cardiff, and since then it has grown from a body that had little of its own powers to change law, to one that can make acts in any of the 20 areas that are devolved to it.

During the 15 years of its existence it also effectively split in two. Its executive functions now rest with the Welsh Government, a separate body whose ministers are Labour Assembly members who rule as a minority government, led by first minister Carwyn Jones.

Labour Newport West AM Rosemary Butler, who has been the assembly’s presiding officer since 2011, said in its first 15 years the assembly has matured into a fully-fledged law-making body.

She said the chamber is increasingly viewed as an “exemplar for modern democracy”.

“Fifteen years since the assembly was established, the assembly enjoys overwhelming public support from the people it represents,” she said.

She used the anniversary as an opportunity to repeat her call for the number of AMs to be increased from 60 to 80, given the scale of workload they face.

Tory Monmouth MP David Davies was however less conciliatory, saying: “I don’t think I could wish it a happy birthday.”

The man who helped set-up and run the 1997 campaign against devolution said: “It’s gained an enormous amount of power in the last 15 years. I would like to see it improve services with the powers its got and stop trying to gain more every couple of years.

“Otherwise we won’t be celebrating the 30th year of the Assembly—we will be celebrating the first year of Welsh independence... That’s the direction we’re going in at the moment.”

He said its record was “dreadful” over healthcare, education and council tax.

David Davies was himself an AM from the assembly’s founding through to 2007, joining the new institution alongside Mrs Butler and John Griffiths, Labour’s Newport East AM and the Welsh Government’s culture minister.

Mr Griffiths said the assembly has come an “awful long way” over the 15 years of devolution, with the institution now having legislative powers after the 2011 referendum.

“We’ve seen Wales come on leaps and bounds since 1999 as a result of devolution,” he said.

“Wales is much stronger now than it was in 1999,” he said, claiming statistics around health delivery and education have shown major improvements.

Plaid South Wales East AM Lindsay Whittle, Plaid Cymru AM for South Wales East, said: “The establishment of the National Assembly has brought government closer to the people—and given many people easier access to ministers than was ever possible before.

“Thousands of apprenticeships were created thanks to a Plaid Cymru deal with the Welsh Government and free concessionary bus passes have been appreciated by many.”

Kirsty Williams, leader of the Welsh Liberal Democrats said she was proud that Wales has its own National Assembly but feared “Labour’s routine failings are undermining many people’s faith in devolution.”

“Sadly, the lack of a decent education has allowed many people to struggle to find work… Our health system grabs all the wrong headlines on a weekly basis,” she said.

Wales’ first minister Mr Jones said: “Devolution in Wales has developed in an evolutionary, rather than revolutionary, way over the past 15 years. We have certainly come a long way in terms of our capability to govern, to legislate and to scrutinise and hold the executive to account.

He said law making powers “have enabled us to set Wales apart and lead the way on important issues, including becoming the first UK nation to introduce an opt-out system of organ donation.”

But Conservative AM Andrew RT Davies, who is leader of the opposition in the Assembly, said, “For 15 years, Labour has been wasting money and pursuing populist gimmicks while Wales gets poorer and public services are stretched.”

‘We couldn’t survive on our own yet’

WE asked people in Newport their views of the assembly 15 years on:

Will Pannel, 22, works in the Lamb pub in Newport and said: “We still get money from central government so it’s best of both. They’ve got more local views and there’s less red tape to fight through in small governments.

“It’s helped Cardiff and possibly turned business away from Newport, but that’s up for debate.”

Dominic Mayer, 29, from Chepstow Road, said: “I would have voted for devolution. It’s passed more powers to us and good laws like the free prescription. I wouldn’t want to be completely regulated centrally. I’m pro-Welsh Assembly, but I don’t think we can survive on our own yet.

Eos Bourton, 76, from Pontllanfraith, said: “I like the National Assembly. I’m not overly impressed with my representative Gwyn Price.”

Vivian Williams, 62, from Claremont, Malpas, said: “It has benefitted us as far as free prescriptions are concerned. But it’s always going to be about Cardiff.”

Richard Jones 31, from Cardiff Road, Newport, said: “At the time I would have voted no, but now I see the benefits of it.”

His wife, Elizabeth Jones, 29, said: “They would be on shaky ground trying to work on their own. Let’s see how Scotland fair first.”

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10:18am Mon 12 May 14

Realist UK says...

AM's are nothing more than power hungry failed MP's who infect the Assembly with their delusional belief of self importance funded by Welsh tax payers. Before you lobby for more "power" I suggest you get to grips with the "power" you already have ie health & education and prove you have the ability to self govern.
AM's are nothing more than power hungry failed MP's who infect the Assembly with their delusional belief of self importance funded by Welsh tax payers. Before you lobby for more "power" I suggest you get to grips with the "power" you already have ie health & education and prove you have the ability to self govern. Realist UK
  • Score: 32

10:25am Mon 12 May 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

Absolute joke.
Just another talking shop dominated by Labour.
Worst education system in the UK, worst NHS, great legacy for our children.
I voted 'no' in the beginning and if anything, matters in Wales have got worse since then, so I would definitely vote against it if it came to a referendum.
I don't think that Wales would 'have a cat in hells chance' of EVER surviving on its own as it is totally welfare dependant on central government in Westminster.
Unlike Scotland, we have no oil or any other precious commodity to rely on.
So I am at a loss as to how we are going to become independent as some commentators on here are advocating.
Absolute joke. Just another talking shop dominated by Labour. Worst education system in the UK, worst NHS, great legacy for our children. I voted 'no' in the beginning and if anything, matters in Wales have got worse since then, so I would definitely vote against it if it came to a referendum. I don't think that Wales would 'have a cat in hells chance' of EVER surviving on its own as it is totally welfare dependant on central government in Westminster. Unlike Scotland, we have no oil or any other precious commodity to rely on. So I am at a loss as to how we are going to become independent as some commentators on here are advocating. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: 30

10:45am Mon 12 May 14

theviking666 says...

Fifteen years and no better off now, that's a record nobody wants, but we got it, thanks too all down the bay.
Fifteen years and no better off now, that's a record nobody wants, but we got it, thanks too all down the bay. theviking666
  • Score: 30

11:03am Mon 12 May 14

blackandamber says...

The sooner the whole dogs breakfast is scrapped the better.
Tax payers money.
The EU
The Westminster government.
The Welsh Assembly.
Your local council.
Just how many levels of government do we need.
The sooner the whole dogs breakfast is scrapped the better. Tax payers money. The EU The Westminster government. The Welsh Assembly. Your local council. Just how many levels of government do we need. blackandamber
  • Score: 23

11:40am Mon 12 May 14

BobEvams2014 says...

When UKIP win the next General Election the WAG and all Welsh Local Authorities will be abolished and Wales Governed by one appointed Minister appointed by the Prime Minister and one true leader, this Minister will not need not have have a Welsh Constituancy, or for that matter even know where Wales is, most UKIP memebers fall into the later catergory, and are considered perfect material for the post
When UKIP win the next General Election the WAG and all Welsh Local Authorities will be abolished and Wales Governed by one appointed Minister appointed by the Prime Minister and one true leader, this Minister will not need not have have a Welsh Constituancy, or for that matter even know where Wales is, most UKIP memebers fall into the later catergory, and are considered perfect material for the post BobEvams2014
  • Score: -10

12:22pm Mon 12 May 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

BobEvams2014 wrote:
When UKIP win the next General Election the WAG and all Welsh Local Authorities will be abolished and Wales Governed by one appointed Minister appointed by the Prime Minister and one true leader, this Minister will not need not have have a Welsh Constituancy, or for that matter even know where Wales is, most UKIP memebers fall into the later catergory, and are considered perfect material for the post
I think that you will find that Labour are favourites to win the next election.
More tax and spend and less incentive to earn more as you will be punished.
I don't believe everything that comes out of the economic forecasts.
However, I do think that there must be some element of truth in the positive outlook for the economy.
This will all change when 'Red Ed' takes up the mantel.
[quote][p][bold]BobEvams2014[/bold] wrote: When UKIP win the next General Election the WAG and all Welsh Local Authorities will be abolished and Wales Governed by one appointed Minister appointed by the Prime Minister and one true leader, this Minister will not need not have have a Welsh Constituancy, or for that matter even know where Wales is, most UKIP memebers fall into the later catergory, and are considered perfect material for the post[/p][/quote]I think that you will find that Labour are favourites to win the next election. More tax and spend and less incentive to earn more as you will be punished. I don't believe everything that comes out of the economic forecasts. However, I do think that there must be some element of truth in the positive outlook for the economy. This will all change when 'Red Ed' takes up the mantel. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: 10

12:30pm Mon 12 May 14

bobmech1 says...

15 years and Wales services are in a bloody mess and they want to increase the AM's
They are a waste of space and waste so much money on rubbish policies like the airport when the NHS is falling to bits
15 years and Wales services are in a bloody mess and they want to increase the AM's They are a waste of space and waste so much money on rubbish policies like the airport when the NHS is falling to bits bobmech1
  • Score: 32

12:34pm Mon 12 May 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

Cymru Am Beth wrote:
Absolute joke.
Just another talking shop dominated by Labour.
Worst education system in the UK, worst NHS, great legacy for our children.
I voted 'no' in the beginning and if anything, matters in Wales have got worse since then, so I would definitely vote against it if it came to a referendum.
I don't think that Wales would 'have a cat in hells chance' of EVER surviving on its own as it is totally welfare dependant on central government in Westminster.
Unlike Scotland, we have no oil or any other precious commodity to rely on.
So I am at a loss as to how we are going to become independent as some commentators on here are advocating.
Are you implying Wales is a benefits scrounger?

I find it a curious attitude for the Welsh right to have to be honest. People like David Davies, so outspoken himself against benefits claimants, and 'feckless fathers' as well as other assorted individuals who refuse to take personal responsibilty for their actions and situation, and instead rely on others to carry them - these are the same people who clamour loudest for Wales to remain firmly nestled to the bosom of Westminster, suckling at the taxpayer teat.

Like I say - it's curious.
[quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: Absolute joke. Just another talking shop dominated by Labour. Worst education system in the UK, worst NHS, great legacy for our children. I voted 'no' in the beginning and if anything, matters in Wales have got worse since then, so I would definitely vote against it if it came to a referendum. I don't think that Wales would 'have a cat in hells chance' of EVER surviving on its own as it is totally welfare dependant on central government in Westminster. Unlike Scotland, we have no oil or any other precious commodity to rely on. So I am at a loss as to how we are going to become independent as some commentators on here are advocating.[/p][/quote]Are you implying Wales is a benefits scrounger? I find it a curious attitude for the Welsh right to have to be honest. People like David Davies, so outspoken himself against benefits claimants, and 'feckless fathers' as well as other assorted individuals who refuse to take personal responsibilty for their actions and situation, and instead rely on others to carry them - these are the same people who clamour loudest for Wales to remain firmly nestled to the bosom of Westminster, suckling at the taxpayer teat. Like I say - it's curious. GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: 7

1:06pm Mon 12 May 14

Dai Rear says...

In the picture several of them are on the phone. It will be to the bookies that they hold an account with. So anyone who says they do nothing useful is guilty of a complete misrepresentation.
In the picture several of them are on the phone. It will be to the bookies that they hold an account with. So anyone who says they do nothing useful is guilty of a complete misrepresentation. Dai Rear
  • Score: 13

1:21pm Mon 12 May 14

paddyparry says...

An “exemplar for modern democracy”? Dominated by one party, no effective scrutiny, wasteful of money, unable to accept criticism from others (or their own members), presiding over failing education, employment and health policies. They are an exemplar of how modern democracy should not be done.
An “exemplar for modern democracy”? Dominated by one party, no effective scrutiny, wasteful of money, unable to accept criticism from others (or their own members), presiding over failing education, employment and health policies. They are an exemplar of how modern democracy should not be done. paddyparry
  • Score: 33

2:50pm Mon 12 May 14

Llanmartinangel says...

paddyparry wrote:
An “exemplar for modern democracy”? Dominated by one party, no effective scrutiny, wasteful of money, unable to accept criticism from others (or their own members), presiding over failing education, employment and health policies. They are an exemplar of how modern democracy should not be done.
Absolutely spot on.
[quote][p][bold]paddyparry[/bold] wrote: An “exemplar for modern democracy”? Dominated by one party, no effective scrutiny, wasteful of money, unable to accept criticism from others (or their own members), presiding over failing education, employment and health policies. They are an exemplar of how modern democracy should not be done.[/p][/quote]Absolutely spot on. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 21

3:58pm Mon 12 May 14

altom23 says...

BobEvams2014 wrote:
When UKIP win the next General Election the WAG and all Welsh Local Authorities will be abolished and Wales Governed by one appointed Minister appointed by the Prime Minister and one true leader, this Minister will not need not have have a Welsh Constituancy, or for that matter even know where Wales is, most UKIP memebers fall into the later catergory, and are considered perfect material for the post
That is exactly what we had 15 years ago before the assembly when somebody called Redwood was our Governor General. Did that work????
[quote][p][bold]BobEvams2014[/bold] wrote: When UKIP win the next General Election the WAG and all Welsh Local Authorities will be abolished and Wales Governed by one appointed Minister appointed by the Prime Minister and one true leader, this Minister will not need not have have a Welsh Constituancy, or for that matter even know where Wales is, most UKIP memebers fall into the later catergory, and are considered perfect material for the post[/p][/quote]That is exactly what we had 15 years ago before the assembly when somebody called Redwood was our Governor General. Did that work???? altom23
  • Score: -5

4:18pm Mon 12 May 14

Llanmartinangel says...

altom23 wrote:
BobEvams2014 wrote:
When UKIP win the next General Election the WAG and all Welsh Local Authorities will be abolished and Wales Governed by one appointed Minister appointed by the Prime Minister and one true leader, this Minister will not need not have have a Welsh Constituancy, or for that matter even know where Wales is, most UKIP memebers fall into the later catergory, and are considered perfect material for the post
That is exactly what we had 15 years ago before the assembly when somebody called Redwood was our Governor General. Did that work????
Well it cost a hell of a lot less. You may think Wales got value for £700M a year (around £8 Billion since it's inception) but can you imagine what could have been achieved with that money? Vastly increasing the cost of government is not the same as giving people what they actually want and need. Unless you happen to be a politician, a civil servant or a Welsh Language minister on £104K a year who's role it is to try and prevent the inevitable. This shower are most definitely taking the 'P'.
[quote][p][bold]altom23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BobEvams2014[/bold] wrote: When UKIP win the next General Election the WAG and all Welsh Local Authorities will be abolished and Wales Governed by one appointed Minister appointed by the Prime Minister and one true leader, this Minister will not need not have have a Welsh Constituancy, or for that matter even know where Wales is, most UKIP memebers fall into the later catergory, and are considered perfect material for the post[/p][/quote]That is exactly what we had 15 years ago before the assembly when somebody called Redwood was our Governor General. Did that work????[/p][/quote]Well it cost a hell of a lot less. You may think Wales got value for £700M a year (around £8 Billion since it's inception) but can you imagine what could have been achieved with that money? Vastly increasing the cost of government is not the same as giving people what they actually want and need. Unless you happen to be a politician, a civil servant or a Welsh Language minister on £104K a year who's role it is to try and prevent the inevitable. This shower are most definitely taking the 'P'. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 16

5:03pm Mon 12 May 14

Floppy backed says...

'Free prescriptions' have we seen an increase in health, weight lose, healthy children??? No
'Education' - worst in Europe
'Roads' - never seen them so bad
'NHS' - no need to comment
'Free prescriptions' have we seen an increase in health, weight lose, healthy children??? No 'Education' - worst in Europe 'Roads' - never seen them so bad 'NHS' - no need to comment Floppy backed
  • Score: 20

6:31pm Mon 12 May 14

Independentvoter says...

Plant pot David Davis hahahahaha says it all doesn't it
Plant pot David Davis hahahahaha says it all doesn't it Independentvoter
  • Score: -1

7:23pm Mon 12 May 14

varteg1 says...

Assembly birthday brings mixed response?


Well after reading almost all responses to the article and many other articles re the Assembly, I suggest calling responses 'mixed' is a tad misleading.

Almost 100% of the responses are anti it, one way or another.

There may be the odd one offering some support for aspects if it, but even man y of those, few though they are, tend to have an element of scepticism implied in their content. Or at least, they are not very entusiastic
Assembly birthday brings mixed response? Well after reading almost all responses to the article and many other articles re the Assembly, I suggest calling responses 'mixed' is a tad misleading. Almost 100% of the responses are anti it, one way or another. There may be the odd one offering some support for aspects if it, but even man y of those, few though they are, tend to have an element of scepticism implied in their content. Or at least, they are not very entusiastic varteg1
  • Score: 5

8:18pm Mon 12 May 14

Port0214 says...

What have they done? 15 years of hot air and failure, inward investment failed, the health service failed, childhood poverty failed, roads and infrastructure failed.

In fact what have they actually done 5p for a carrier bag, free prescriptions and free tuition fees to universities nobody wants to go to.

The biggest tragedy to beset the people of Wales in living memory.
What have they done? 15 years of hot air and failure, inward investment failed, the health service failed, childhood poverty failed, roads and infrastructure failed. In fact what have they actually done 5p for a carrier bag, free prescriptions and free tuition fees to universities nobody wants to go to. The biggest tragedy to beset the people of Wales in living memory. Port0214
  • Score: 15

2:24am Tue 13 May 14

scraptheWAG says...

what makes me laugh is that daft bint rosemary wants to increase the size of this huge mistake. break it up and scrap the crap
what makes me laugh is that daft bint rosemary wants to increase the size of this huge mistake. break it up and scrap the crap scraptheWAG
  • Score: 15

6:53am Tue 13 May 14

Adrian Williams says...

All the Tories are interested in is the growing number of billionaires and privatising things so that their rich chums can profit
All the Tories are interested in is the growing number of billionaires and privatising things so that their rich chums can profit Adrian Williams
  • Score: -9

7:59am Tue 13 May 14

Dai Rear says...

Adrian Williams wrote:
All the Tories are interested in is the growing number of billionaires and privatising things so that their rich chums can profit
And all the socialists are interested in is banning everything, taxing everything and rationing everything. Worried about being a control freak? Vote Labour.
[quote][p][bold]Adrian Williams[/bold] wrote: All the Tories are interested in is the growing number of billionaires and privatising things so that their rich chums can profit[/p][/quote]And all the socialists are interested in is banning everything, taxing everything and rationing everything. Worried about being a control freak? Vote Labour. Dai Rear
  • Score: 8

8:00am Tue 13 May 14

BobEvams2014 says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
altom23 wrote:
BobEvams2014 wrote: When UKIP win the next General Election the WAG and all Welsh Local Authorities will be abolished and Wales Governed by one appointed Minister appointed by the Prime Minister and one true leader, this Minister will not need not have have a Welsh Constituancy, or for that matter even know where Wales is, most UKIP memebers fall into the later catergory, and are considered perfect material for the post
That is exactly what we had 15 years ago before the assembly when somebody called Redwood was our Governor General. Did that work????
Well it cost a hell of a lot less. You may think Wales got value for £700M a year (around £8 Billion since it's inception) but can you imagine what could have been achieved with that money? Vastly increasing the cost of government is not the same as giving people what they actually want and need. Unless you happen to be a politician, a civil servant or a Welsh Language minister on £104K a year who's role it is to try and prevent the inevitable. This shower are most definitely taking the 'P'.
I agree, lets go back to the good old days, when Wales was governed by an unelected, unaccountable English Home Counties Tory MP who couldn't be removed no matter how bad he was, yes he kept us Welsh in our place.

Happy times indeed !
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]altom23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BobEvams2014[/bold] wrote: When UKIP win the next General Election the WAG and all Welsh Local Authorities will be abolished and Wales Governed by one appointed Minister appointed by the Prime Minister and one true leader, this Minister will not need not have have a Welsh Constituancy, or for that matter even know where Wales is, most UKIP memebers fall into the later catergory, and are considered perfect material for the post[/p][/quote]That is exactly what we had 15 years ago before the assembly when somebody called Redwood was our Governor General. Did that work????[/p][/quote]Well it cost a hell of a lot less. You may think Wales got value for £700M a year (around £8 Billion since it's inception) but can you imagine what could have been achieved with that money? Vastly increasing the cost of government is not the same as giving people what they actually want and need. Unless you happen to be a politician, a civil servant or a Welsh Language minister on £104K a year who's role it is to try and prevent the inevitable. This shower are most definitely taking the 'P'.[/p][/quote]I agree, lets go back to the good old days, when Wales was governed by an unelected, unaccountable English Home Counties Tory MP who couldn't be removed no matter how bad he was, yes he kept us Welsh in our place. Happy times indeed ! BobEvams2014
  • Score: -7

8:08am Tue 13 May 14

Llanmartinangel says...

BobEvams2014 wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
altom23 wrote:
BobEvams2014 wrote: When UKIP win the next General Election the WAG and all Welsh Local Authorities will be abolished and Wales Governed by one appointed Minister appointed by the Prime Minister and one true leader, this Minister will not need not have have a Welsh Constituancy, or for that matter even know where Wales is, most UKIP memebers fall into the later catergory, and are considered perfect material for the post
That is exactly what we had 15 years ago before the assembly when somebody called Redwood was our Governor General. Did that work????
Well it cost a hell of a lot less. You may think Wales got value for £700M a year (around £8 Billion since it's inception) but can you imagine what could have been achieved with that money? Vastly increasing the cost of government is not the same as giving people what they actually want and need. Unless you happen to be a politician, a civil servant or a Welsh Language minister on £104K a year who's role it is to try and prevent the inevitable. This shower are most definitely taking the 'P'.
I agree, lets go back to the good old days, when Wales was governed by an unelected, unaccountable English Home Counties Tory MP who couldn't be removed no matter how bad he was, yes he kept us Welsh in our place.

Happy times indeed !
Leaving aside that the Welsh Office minister was just as elected as this shower by British people (you make the distinction between English and Welsh, I don't. All our taxes go to the same place), we 'Welsh' as you put it, are now worse off. And you call THAT a result?
[quote][p][bold]BobEvams2014[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]altom23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BobEvams2014[/bold] wrote: When UKIP win the next General Election the WAG and all Welsh Local Authorities will be abolished and Wales Governed by one appointed Minister appointed by the Prime Minister and one true leader, this Minister will not need not have have a Welsh Constituancy, or for that matter even know where Wales is, most UKIP memebers fall into the later catergory, and are considered perfect material for the post[/p][/quote]That is exactly what we had 15 years ago before the assembly when somebody called Redwood was our Governor General. Did that work????[/p][/quote]Well it cost a hell of a lot less. You may think Wales got value for £700M a year (around £8 Billion since it's inception) but can you imagine what could have been achieved with that money? Vastly increasing the cost of government is not the same as giving people what they actually want and need. Unless you happen to be a politician, a civil servant or a Welsh Language minister on £104K a year who's role it is to try and prevent the inevitable. This shower are most definitely taking the 'P'.[/p][/quote]I agree, lets go back to the good old days, when Wales was governed by an unelected, unaccountable English Home Counties Tory MP who couldn't be removed no matter how bad he was, yes he kept us Welsh in our place. Happy times indeed ![/p][/quote]Leaving aside that the Welsh Office minister was just as elected as this shower by British people (you make the distinction between English and Welsh, I don't. All our taxes go to the same place), we 'Welsh' as you put it, are now worse off. And you call THAT a result? Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 7

8:31am Tue 13 May 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
BobEvams2014 wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
altom23 wrote:
BobEvams2014 wrote: When UKIP win the next General Election the WAG and all Welsh Local Authorities will be abolished and Wales Governed by one appointed Minister appointed by the Prime Minister and one true leader, this Minister will not need not have have a Welsh Constituancy, or for that matter even know where Wales is, most UKIP memebers fall into the later catergory, and are considered perfect material for the post
That is exactly what we had 15 years ago before the assembly when somebody called Redwood was our Governor General. Did that work????
Well it cost a hell of a lot less. You may think Wales got value for £700M a year (around £8 Billion since it's inception) but can you imagine what could have been achieved with that money? Vastly increasing the cost of government is not the same as giving people what they actually want and need. Unless you happen to be a politician, a civil servant or a Welsh Language minister on £104K a year who's role it is to try and prevent the inevitable. This shower are most definitely taking the 'P'.
I agree, lets go back to the good old days, when Wales was governed by an unelected, unaccountable English Home Counties Tory MP who couldn't be removed no matter how bad he was, yes he kept us Welsh in our place.

Happy times indeed !
Leaving aside that the Welsh Office minister was just as elected as this shower by British people (you make the distinction between English and Welsh, I don't. All our taxes go to the same place), we 'Welsh' as you put it, are now worse off. And you call THAT a result?
Exactly.
We should have seen this coming.
It was inevitable that if we voted 'yes' to an Assembly, democracy in Wales would be in the hands of Labour.
We seem to be stuck at the bottom of the heap, unable to move on and improve our current situation.
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BobEvams2014[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]altom23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BobEvams2014[/bold] wrote: When UKIP win the next General Election the WAG and all Welsh Local Authorities will be abolished and Wales Governed by one appointed Minister appointed by the Prime Minister and one true leader, this Minister will not need not have have a Welsh Constituancy, or for that matter even know where Wales is, most UKIP memebers fall into the later catergory, and are considered perfect material for the post[/p][/quote]That is exactly what we had 15 years ago before the assembly when somebody called Redwood was our Governor General. Did that work????[/p][/quote]Well it cost a hell of a lot less. You may think Wales got value for £700M a year (around £8 Billion since it's inception) but can you imagine what could have been achieved with that money? Vastly increasing the cost of government is not the same as giving people what they actually want and need. Unless you happen to be a politician, a civil servant or a Welsh Language minister on £104K a year who's role it is to try and prevent the inevitable. This shower are most definitely taking the 'P'.[/p][/quote]I agree, lets go back to the good old days, when Wales was governed by an unelected, unaccountable English Home Counties Tory MP who couldn't be removed no matter how bad he was, yes he kept us Welsh in our place. Happy times indeed ![/p][/quote]Leaving aside that the Welsh Office minister was just as elected as this shower by British people (you make the distinction between English and Welsh, I don't. All our taxes go to the same place), we 'Welsh' as you put it, are now worse off. And you call THAT a result?[/p][/quote]Exactly. We should have seen this coming. It was inevitable that if we voted 'yes' to an Assembly, democracy in Wales would be in the hands of Labour. We seem to be stuck at the bottom of the heap, unable to move on and improve our current situation. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: 13

8:36am Tue 13 May 14

BobEvams2014 says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
BobEvams2014 wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
altom23 wrote:
BobEvams2014 wrote: When UKIP win the next General Election the WAG and all Welsh Local Authorities will be abolished and Wales Governed by one appointed Minister appointed by the Prime Minister and one true leader, this Minister will not need not have have a Welsh Constituancy, or for that matter even know where Wales is, most UKIP memebers fall into the later catergory, and are considered perfect material for the post
That is exactly what we had 15 years ago before the assembly when somebody called Redwood was our Governor General. Did that work????
Well it cost a hell of a lot less. You may think Wales got value for £700M a year (around £8 Billion since it's inception) but can you imagine what could have been achieved with that money? Vastly increasing the cost of government is not the same as giving people what they actually want and need. Unless you happen to be a politician, a civil servant or a Welsh Language minister on £104K a year who's role it is to try and prevent the inevitable. This shower are most definitely taking the 'P'.
I agree, lets go back to the good old days, when Wales was governed by an unelected, unaccountable English Home Counties Tory MP who couldn't be removed no matter how bad he was, yes he kept us Welsh in our place. Happy times indeed !
Leaving aside that the Welsh Office minister was just as elected as this shower by British people (you make the distinction between English and Welsh, I don't. All our taxes go to the same place), we 'Welsh' as you put it, are now worse off. And you call THAT a result?
So people who are Welsh have no right to call themselves Welsh, but its OK for the English to call themselves English.

Quite right to - the sooner Wales ceases to exist in any form the better !
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BobEvams2014[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]altom23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BobEvams2014[/bold] wrote: When UKIP win the next General Election the WAG and all Welsh Local Authorities will be abolished and Wales Governed by one appointed Minister appointed by the Prime Minister and one true leader, this Minister will not need not have have a Welsh Constituancy, or for that matter even know where Wales is, most UKIP memebers fall into the later catergory, and are considered perfect material for the post[/p][/quote]That is exactly what we had 15 years ago before the assembly when somebody called Redwood was our Governor General. Did that work????[/p][/quote]Well it cost a hell of a lot less. You may think Wales got value for £700M a year (around £8 Billion since it's inception) but can you imagine what could have been achieved with that money? Vastly increasing the cost of government is not the same as giving people what they actually want and need. Unless you happen to be a politician, a civil servant or a Welsh Language minister on £104K a year who's role it is to try and prevent the inevitable. This shower are most definitely taking the 'P'.[/p][/quote]I agree, lets go back to the good old days, when Wales was governed by an unelected, unaccountable English Home Counties Tory MP who couldn't be removed no matter how bad he was, yes he kept us Welsh in our place. Happy times indeed ![/p][/quote]Leaving aside that the Welsh Office minister was just as elected as this shower by British people (you make the distinction between English and Welsh, I don't. All our taxes go to the same place), we 'Welsh' as you put it, are now worse off. And you call THAT a result?[/p][/quote]So people who are Welsh have no right to call themselves Welsh, but its OK for the English to call themselves English. Quite right to - the sooner Wales ceases to exist in any form the better ! BobEvams2014
  • Score: -5

8:49am Tue 13 May 14

Llanmartinangel says...

BobEvams2014 wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
BobEvams2014 wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
altom23 wrote:
BobEvams2014 wrote: When UKIP win the next General Election the WAG and all Welsh Local Authorities will be abolished and Wales Governed by one appointed Minister appointed by the Prime Minister and one true leader, this Minister will not need not have have a Welsh Constituancy, or for that matter even know where Wales is, most UKIP memebers fall into the later catergory, and are considered perfect material for the post
That is exactly what we had 15 years ago before the assembly when somebody called Redwood was our Governor General. Did that work????
Well it cost a hell of a lot less. You may think Wales got value for £700M a year (around £8 Billion since it's inception) but can you imagine what could have been achieved with that money? Vastly increasing the cost of government is not the same as giving people what they actually want and need. Unless you happen to be a politician, a civil servant or a Welsh Language minister on £104K a year who's role it is to try and prevent the inevitable. This shower are most definitely taking the 'P'.
I agree, lets go back to the good old days, when Wales was governed by an unelected, unaccountable English Home Counties Tory MP who couldn't be removed no matter how bad he was, yes he kept us Welsh in our place. Happy times indeed !
Leaving aside that the Welsh Office minister was just as elected as this shower by British people (you make the distinction between English and Welsh, I don't. All our taxes go to the same place), we 'Welsh' as you put it, are now worse off. And you call THAT a result?
So people who are Welsh have no right to call themselves Welsh, but its OK for the English to call themselves English.

Quite right to - the sooner Wales ceases to exist in any form the better !
They can refer to themselves as Ewoks for all that it changes the reality of poorer services here and higher council tax.
[quote][p][bold]BobEvams2014[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BobEvams2014[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]altom23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BobEvams2014[/bold] wrote: When UKIP win the next General Election the WAG and all Welsh Local Authorities will be abolished and Wales Governed by one appointed Minister appointed by the Prime Minister and one true leader, this Minister will not need not have have a Welsh Constituancy, or for that matter even know where Wales is, most UKIP memebers fall into the later catergory, and are considered perfect material for the post[/p][/quote]That is exactly what we had 15 years ago before the assembly when somebody called Redwood was our Governor General. Did that work????[/p][/quote]Well it cost a hell of a lot less. You may think Wales got value for £700M a year (around £8 Billion since it's inception) but can you imagine what could have been achieved with that money? Vastly increasing the cost of government is not the same as giving people what they actually want and need. Unless you happen to be a politician, a civil servant or a Welsh Language minister on £104K a year who's role it is to try and prevent the inevitable. This shower are most definitely taking the 'P'.[/p][/quote]I agree, lets go back to the good old days, when Wales was governed by an unelected, unaccountable English Home Counties Tory MP who couldn't be removed no matter how bad he was, yes he kept us Welsh in our place. Happy times indeed ![/p][/quote]Leaving aside that the Welsh Office minister was just as elected as this shower by British people (you make the distinction between English and Welsh, I don't. All our taxes go to the same place), we 'Welsh' as you put it, are now worse off. And you call THAT a result?[/p][/quote]So people who are Welsh have no right to call themselves Welsh, but its OK for the English to call themselves English. Quite right to - the sooner Wales ceases to exist in any form the better ![/p][/quote]They can refer to themselves as Ewoks for all that it changes the reality of poorer services here and higher council tax. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 3

9:22am Tue 13 May 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

Could the term 'proud Welshman' now be referred to as an oxymoron?
The small minority of positive Assembly comments on here seem to be coming from people bitter about the past and unable to move on, or 'wake up and smell the coffee'.
Wales is in a very poor state at the moment and as the Assembly are governed by Labour, the record of the last few years is firmly within their domain.
Although, I suspect that Margaret Thatcher will be blamed for everything.
The Welsh will still be blaming her in a thousand years time.
We are going nowhere fast through lack of drive and ambition.
The mindset of a large amount of Welsh is firmly embedded in the past.
But, things move on and we as a part of the UK must move on if we are EVER to succeed in a modern society.
Could the term 'proud Welshman' now be referred to as an oxymoron? The small minority of positive Assembly comments on here seem to be coming from people bitter about the past and unable to move on, or 'wake up and smell the coffee'. Wales is in a very poor state at the moment and as the Assembly are governed by Labour, the record of the last few years is firmly within their domain. Although, I suspect that Margaret Thatcher will be blamed for everything. The Welsh will still be blaming her in a thousand years time. We are going nowhere fast through lack of drive and ambition. The mindset of a large amount of Welsh is firmly embedded in the past. But, things move on and we as a part of the UK must move on if we are EVER to succeed in a modern society. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: 3

10:08am Tue 13 May 14

Floppy backed says...

Cymru Am Beth wrote:
Could the term 'proud Welshman' now be referred to as an oxymoron?
The small minority of positive Assembly comments on here seem to be coming from people bitter about the past and unable to move on, or 'wake up and smell the coffee'.
Wales is in a very poor state at the moment and as the Assembly are governed by Labour, the record of the last few years is firmly within their domain.
Although, I suspect that Margaret Thatcher will be blamed for everything.
The Welsh will still be blaming her in a thousand years time.
We are going nowhere fast through lack of drive and ambition.
The mindset of a large amount of Welsh is firmly embedded in the past.
But, things move on and we as a part of the UK must move on if we are EVER to succeed in a modern society.
well said.

Sadly we run a business and so much of the bureaucracy is ruining it and sad to say I have fellow associates who intend to leave and set up their business in England.

Sadly the Welsh dont have anything to shout about - the image we sell the rest of the world isnt the one I was proud to grow up in.
[quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: Could the term 'proud Welshman' now be referred to as an oxymoron? The small minority of positive Assembly comments on here seem to be coming from people bitter about the past and unable to move on, or 'wake up and smell the coffee'. Wales is in a very poor state at the moment and as the Assembly are governed by Labour, the record of the last few years is firmly within their domain. Although, I suspect that Margaret Thatcher will be blamed for everything. The Welsh will still be blaming her in a thousand years time. We are going nowhere fast through lack of drive and ambition. The mindset of a large amount of Welsh is firmly embedded in the past. But, things move on and we as a part of the UK must move on if we are EVER to succeed in a modern society.[/p][/quote]well said. Sadly we run a business and so much of the bureaucracy is ruining it and sad to say I have fellow associates who intend to leave and set up their business in England. Sadly the Welsh dont have anything to shout about - the image we sell the rest of the world isnt the one I was proud to grow up in. Floppy backed
  • Score: 4

10:08am Tue 13 May 14

Floppy backed says...

Cymru Am Beth wrote:
Could the term 'proud Welshman' now be referred to as an oxymoron?
The small minority of positive Assembly comments on here seem to be coming from people bitter about the past and unable to move on, or 'wake up and smell the coffee'.
Wales is in a very poor state at the moment and as the Assembly are governed by Labour, the record of the last few years is firmly within their domain.
Although, I suspect that Margaret Thatcher will be blamed for everything.
The Welsh will still be blaming her in a thousand years time.
We are going nowhere fast through lack of drive and ambition.
The mindset of a large amount of Welsh is firmly embedded in the past.
But, things move on and we as a part of the UK must move on if we are EVER to succeed in a modern society.
well said.

Sadly we run a business and so much of the bureaucracy is ruining it and sad to say I have fellow associates who intend to leave and set up their business in England.

Sadly the Welsh dont have anything to shout about - the image we sell the rest of the world isnt the one I was proud to grow up in.
[quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: Could the term 'proud Welshman' now be referred to as an oxymoron? The small minority of positive Assembly comments on here seem to be coming from people bitter about the past and unable to move on, or 'wake up and smell the coffee'. Wales is in a very poor state at the moment and as the Assembly are governed by Labour, the record of the last few years is firmly within their domain. Although, I suspect that Margaret Thatcher will be blamed for everything. The Welsh will still be blaming her in a thousand years time. We are going nowhere fast through lack of drive and ambition. The mindset of a large amount of Welsh is firmly embedded in the past. But, things move on and we as a part of the UK must move on if we are EVER to succeed in a modern society.[/p][/quote]well said. Sadly we run a business and so much of the bureaucracy is ruining it and sad to say I have fellow associates who intend to leave and set up their business in England. Sadly the Welsh dont have anything to shout about - the image we sell the rest of the world isnt the one I was proud to grow up in. Floppy backed
  • Score: 0

10:34am Tue 13 May 14

BassalegCountyFan says...

I suspect that the real reason for the right's frustration with the Assembly (as evidenced in the comments on here) is not with what they view as failings, but because the Assembly has directly addressed the democratic deficit in Britain and given the people of Wales- the majority of whom are progressive and believe in social justice and equality - a say over their own future.

Before 1999 Wales was effectively ruled by predominately tory Welsh secretaries representing the English shires - Peter Walker (Worcester), David Hunt (Wirral West), John Redwood (Wokingham) and William Hague (Richmond) - who not only had no grasp of the issues facing the people of Wales, but no accountability to the Welsh people. I shudder at the thought of the incompetent Cheryl Gillian (Welsh sec from 2010-12) or the equally terrible current incumbent David Jones having the same ability to rule the roost over Wales. We now have our own voice, and it is crucial that we keep it.
I suspect that the real reason for the right's frustration with the Assembly (as evidenced in the comments on here) is not with what they view as failings, but because the Assembly has directly addressed the democratic deficit in Britain and given the people of Wales- the majority of whom are progressive and believe in social justice and equality - a say over their own future. Before 1999 Wales was effectively ruled by predominately tory Welsh secretaries representing the English shires - Peter Walker (Worcester), David Hunt (Wirral West), John Redwood (Wokingham) and William Hague (Richmond) - who not only had no grasp of the issues facing the people of Wales, but no accountability to the Welsh people. I shudder at the thought of the incompetent Cheryl Gillian (Welsh sec from 2010-12) or the equally terrible current incumbent David Jones having the same ability to rule the roost over Wales. We now have our own voice, and it is crucial that we keep it. BassalegCountyFan
  • Score: -3

11:11am Tue 13 May 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

Floppy backed wrote:
Cymru Am Beth wrote:
Could the term 'proud Welshman' now be referred to as an oxymoron?
The small minority of positive Assembly comments on here seem to be coming from people bitter about the past and unable to move on, or 'wake up and smell the coffee'.
Wales is in a very poor state at the moment and as the Assembly are governed by Labour, the record of the last few years is firmly within their domain.
Although, I suspect that Margaret Thatcher will be blamed for everything.
The Welsh will still be blaming her in a thousand years time.
We are going nowhere fast through lack of drive and ambition.
The mindset of a large amount of Welsh is firmly embedded in the past.
But, things move on and we as a part of the UK must move on if we are EVER to succeed in a modern society.
well said.

Sadly we run a business and so much of the bureaucracy is ruining it and sad to say I have fellow associates who intend to leave and set up their business in England.

Sadly the Welsh dont have anything to shout about - the image we sell the rest of the world isnt the one I was proud to grow up in.
Whoever gave a minus to this post is entitled to his or her opinion.
However, this is the main problem in Wales.
Generally anti-business/making money and envious of anyone who tries to improve himself.
Floppy backed is speaking the truth, but some of you just don't wish to hear it.
I suggest that you go back and 'bury your heads in the sand'.
With such attitudes abounding in Wales, it is little wonder that we are 'bottom of the heap.'
[quote][p][bold]Floppy backed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: Could the term 'proud Welshman' now be referred to as an oxymoron? The small minority of positive Assembly comments on here seem to be coming from people bitter about the past and unable to move on, or 'wake up and smell the coffee'. Wales is in a very poor state at the moment and as the Assembly are governed by Labour, the record of the last few years is firmly within their domain. Although, I suspect that Margaret Thatcher will be blamed for everything. The Welsh will still be blaming her in a thousand years time. We are going nowhere fast through lack of drive and ambition. The mindset of a large amount of Welsh is firmly embedded in the past. But, things move on and we as a part of the UK must move on if we are EVER to succeed in a modern society.[/p][/quote]well said. Sadly we run a business and so much of the bureaucracy is ruining it and sad to say I have fellow associates who intend to leave and set up their business in England. Sadly the Welsh dont have anything to shout about - the image we sell the rest of the world isnt the one I was proud to grow up in.[/p][/quote]Whoever gave a minus to this post is entitled to his or her opinion. However, this is the main problem in Wales. Generally anti-business/making money and envious of anyone who tries to improve himself. Floppy backed is speaking the truth, but some of you just don't wish to hear it. I suggest that you go back and 'bury your heads in the sand'. With such attitudes abounding in Wales, it is little wonder that we are 'bottom of the heap.' Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: 5

11:15am Tue 13 May 14

Llanmartinangel says...

Cymru Am Beth wrote:
Floppy backed wrote:
Cymru Am Beth wrote:
Could the term 'proud Welshman' now be referred to as an oxymoron?
The small minority of positive Assembly comments on here seem to be coming from people bitter about the past and unable to move on, or 'wake up and smell the coffee'.
Wales is in a very poor state at the moment and as the Assembly are governed by Labour, the record of the last few years is firmly within their domain.
Although, I suspect that Margaret Thatcher will be blamed for everything.
The Welsh will still be blaming her in a thousand years time.
We are going nowhere fast through lack of drive and ambition.
The mindset of a large amount of Welsh is firmly embedded in the past.
But, things move on and we as a part of the UK must move on if we are EVER to succeed in a modern society.
well said.

Sadly we run a business and so much of the bureaucracy is ruining it and sad to say I have fellow associates who intend to leave and set up their business in England.

Sadly the Welsh dont have anything to shout about - the image we sell the rest of the world isnt the one I was proud to grow up in.
Whoever gave a minus to this post is entitled to his or her opinion.
However, this is the main problem in Wales.
Generally anti-business/making money and envious of anyone who tries to improve himself.
Floppy backed is speaking the truth, but some of you just don't wish to hear it.
I suggest that you go back and 'bury your heads in the sand'.
With such attitudes abounding in Wales, it is little wonder that we are 'bottom of the heap.'
Very true. Check out the bile and spite that stories about the Celtic Manor attract.
[quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Floppy backed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: Could the term 'proud Welshman' now be referred to as an oxymoron? The small minority of positive Assembly comments on here seem to be coming from people bitter about the past and unable to move on, or 'wake up and smell the coffee'. Wales is in a very poor state at the moment and as the Assembly are governed by Labour, the record of the last few years is firmly within their domain. Although, I suspect that Margaret Thatcher will be blamed for everything. The Welsh will still be blaming her in a thousand years time. We are going nowhere fast through lack of drive and ambition. The mindset of a large amount of Welsh is firmly embedded in the past. But, things move on and we as a part of the UK must move on if we are EVER to succeed in a modern society.[/p][/quote]well said. Sadly we run a business and so much of the bureaucracy is ruining it and sad to say I have fellow associates who intend to leave and set up their business in England. Sadly the Welsh dont have anything to shout about - the image we sell the rest of the world isnt the one I was proud to grow up in.[/p][/quote]Whoever gave a minus to this post is entitled to his or her opinion. However, this is the main problem in Wales. Generally anti-business/making money and envious of anyone who tries to improve himself. Floppy backed is speaking the truth, but some of you just don't wish to hear it. I suggest that you go back and 'bury your heads in the sand'. With such attitudes abounding in Wales, it is little wonder that we are 'bottom of the heap.'[/p][/quote]Very true. Check out the bile and spite that stories about the Celtic Manor attract. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 1

11:20am Tue 13 May 14

Llanmartinangel says...

BassalegCountyFan wrote:
I suspect that the real reason for the right's frustration with the Assembly (as evidenced in the comments on here) is not with what they view as failings, but because the Assembly has directly addressed the democratic deficit in Britain and given the people of Wales- the majority of whom are progressive and believe in social justice and equality - a say over their own future.

Before 1999 Wales was effectively ruled by predominately tory Welsh secretaries representing the English shires - Peter Walker (Worcester), David Hunt (Wirral West), John Redwood (Wokingham) and William Hague (Richmond) - who not only had no grasp of the issues facing the people of Wales, but no accountability to the Welsh people. I shudder at the thought of the incompetent Cheryl Gillian (Welsh sec from 2010-12) or the equally terrible current incumbent David Jones having the same ability to rule the roost over Wales. We now have our own voice, and it is crucial that we keep it.
Care to enlighten us on which ground-breaking piece of 'social justice' Wales now enjoys that the wider UK doesn't? I'll bet you could buy a lot for the £7-10 billion spent on the Assembly in 15 years. What is this obsession with tiers of bureaucracy that Socialists think solves all ills? You finish up like Spain. Where every person working in the wealth creating economy is supporting five people, made up of pensioners, public sector employees and unemployed.
[quote][p][bold]BassalegCountyFan[/bold] wrote: I suspect that the real reason for the right's frustration with the Assembly (as evidenced in the comments on here) is not with what they view as failings, but because the Assembly has directly addressed the democratic deficit in Britain and given the people of Wales- the majority of whom are progressive and believe in social justice and equality - a say over their own future. Before 1999 Wales was effectively ruled by predominately tory Welsh secretaries representing the English shires - Peter Walker (Worcester), David Hunt (Wirral West), John Redwood (Wokingham) and William Hague (Richmond) - who not only had no grasp of the issues facing the people of Wales, but no accountability to the Welsh people. I shudder at the thought of the incompetent Cheryl Gillian (Welsh sec from 2010-12) or the equally terrible current incumbent David Jones having the same ability to rule the roost over Wales. We now have our own voice, and it is crucial that we keep it.[/p][/quote]Care to enlighten us on which ground-breaking piece of 'social justice' Wales now enjoys that the wider UK doesn't? I'll bet you could buy a lot for the £7-10 billion spent on the Assembly in 15 years. What is this obsession with tiers of bureaucracy that Socialists think solves all ills? You finish up like Spain. Where every person working in the wealth creating economy is supporting five people, made up of pensioners, public sector employees and unemployed. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 6

12:01pm Tue 13 May 14

theviking666 says...

BassalegCountyFan wrote:
Before 1999 Wales was effectively ruled by predominately tory Welsh secretaries representing the English shires - Peter Walker (Worcester), David Hunt (Wirral West), John Redwood (Wokingham) and William Hague (Richmond) - who not only had no grasp of the issues facing the people of Wales, but no accountability to the Welsh people. I shudder at the thought of the incompetent Cheryl Gillian (Welsh sec from 2010-12) or the equally terrible current incumbent David Jones having the same ability to rule the roost over Wales. We now have our own voice, and it is crucial that we keep it. You could be right, But can you say it's got any better over the last 15 years, the only answer is NO
BassalegCountyFan wrote: Before 1999 Wales was effectively ruled by predominately tory Welsh secretaries representing the English shires - Peter Walker (Worcester), David Hunt (Wirral West), John Redwood (Wokingham) and William Hague (Richmond) - who not only had no grasp of the issues facing the people of Wales, but no accountability to the Welsh people. I shudder at the thought of the incompetent Cheryl Gillian (Welsh sec from 2010-12) or the equally terrible current incumbent David Jones having the same ability to rule the roost over Wales. We now have our own voice, and it is crucial that we keep it. You could be right, But can you say it's got any better over the last 15 years, the only answer is NO theviking666
  • Score: 4

7:07pm Tue 13 May 14

Adrian Williams says...

Dai Rear wrote:
Adrian Williams wrote:
All the Tories are interested in is the growing number of billionaires and privatising things so that their rich chums can profit
And all the socialists are interested in is banning everything, taxing everything and rationing everything. Worried about being a control freak? Vote Labour.
Presumably you're happy then with the emergence of 1.5 million people on zero hours contracts meaning they are not guaranteed an amount of hours week by week and with no holidays or sick pay. Did you also know that some zero hours contract workers can be held on site without being paid until it gets busy again. Furthermore, they are not allowed to pursue zero hours contracts elsewhere or they will be sacked. You call that progress ? It is progress, but backwards to Victorian times. The Tories are systematically unpicking workers rights which people have spent decades fighting for. Scrapping of legal aid being another case in point.
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Adrian Williams[/bold] wrote: All the Tories are interested in is the growing number of billionaires and privatising things so that their rich chums can profit[/p][/quote]And all the socialists are interested in is banning everything, taxing everything and rationing everything. Worried about being a control freak? Vote Labour.[/p][/quote]Presumably you're happy then with the emergence of 1.5 million people on zero hours contracts meaning they are not guaranteed an amount of hours week by week and with no holidays or sick pay. Did you also know that some zero hours contract workers can be held on site without being paid until it gets busy again. Furthermore, they are not allowed to pursue zero hours contracts elsewhere or they will be sacked. You call that progress ? It is progress, but backwards to Victorian times. The Tories are systematically unpicking workers rights which people have spent decades fighting for. Scrapping of legal aid being another case in point. Adrian Williams
  • Score: 2

7:14pm Tue 13 May 14

Dai Rear says...

Adrian Williams wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
Adrian Williams wrote:
All the Tories are interested in is the growing number of billionaires and privatising things so that their rich chums can profit
And all the socialists are interested in is banning everything, taxing everything and rationing everything. Worried about being a control freak? Vote Labour.
Presumably you're happy then with the emergence of 1.5 million people on zero hours contracts meaning they are not guaranteed an amount of hours week by week and with no holidays or sick pay. Did you also know that some zero hours contract workers can be held on site without being paid until it gets busy again. Furthermore, they are not allowed to pursue zero hours contracts elsewhere or they will be sacked. You call that progress ? It is progress, but backwards to Victorian times. The Tories are systematically unpicking workers rights which people have spent decades fighting for. Scrapping of legal aid being another case in point.
No, it was simply tit-for-tat. You trot out the dreary old clichés about "toffs" and I respond with the mirror stereotype. In truth all 3 parties, Labour, Conservative and SDP , or whatever they're meant to be, are left of centre. I guess the moral about ZH contracts is to make sure you learn a trade or get a good education and you'll be unlikely to be involved. Do you remember the "Employment Protection Act"? As if you could "protect" something as ephemeral as work. Shall we all be colliers again? Or work in t't mill?
[quote][p][bold]Adrian Williams[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Adrian Williams[/bold] wrote: All the Tories are interested in is the growing number of billionaires and privatising things so that their rich chums can profit[/p][/quote]And all the socialists are interested in is banning everything, taxing everything and rationing everything. Worried about being a control freak? Vote Labour.[/p][/quote]Presumably you're happy then with the emergence of 1.5 million people on zero hours contracts meaning they are not guaranteed an amount of hours week by week and with no holidays or sick pay. Did you also know that some zero hours contract workers can be held on site without being paid until it gets busy again. Furthermore, they are not allowed to pursue zero hours contracts elsewhere or they will be sacked. You call that progress ? It is progress, but backwards to Victorian times. The Tories are systematically unpicking workers rights which people have spent decades fighting for. Scrapping of legal aid being another case in point.[/p][/quote]No, it was simply tit-for-tat. You trot out the dreary old clichés about "toffs" and I respond with the mirror stereotype. In truth all 3 parties, Labour, Conservative and SDP , or whatever they're meant to be, are left of centre. I guess the moral about ZH contracts is to make sure you learn a trade or get a good education and you'll be unlikely to be involved. Do you remember the "Employment Protection Act"? As if you could "protect" something as ephemeral as work. Shall we all be colliers again? Or work in t't mill? Dai Rear
  • Score: 0

1:36pm Wed 14 May 14

Spinflight says...

BobEvams2014 wrote:
When UKIP win the next General Election the WAG and all Welsh Local Authorities will be abolished and Wales Governed by one appointed Minister appointed by the Prime Minister and one true leader, this Minister will not need not have have a Welsh Constituancy, or for that matter even know where Wales is, most UKIP memebers fall into the later catergory, and are considered perfect material for the post
Fraid not old chap,

When UKIP win the assembly will become a forum for the 40 Welsh MPs to do what they are already paid to do and look after Welsh affairs.

No more pointless and expensive AMs duplicating the MPs expenses, just our elected representatives doing their job.

Common sense really...

ukipnewport.com
[quote][p][bold]BobEvams2014[/bold] wrote: When UKIP win the next General Election the WAG and all Welsh Local Authorities will be abolished and Wales Governed by one appointed Minister appointed by the Prime Minister and one true leader, this Minister will not need not have have a Welsh Constituancy, or for that matter even know where Wales is, most UKIP memebers fall into the later catergory, and are considered perfect material for the post[/p][/quote]Fraid not old chap, When UKIP win the assembly will become a forum for the 40 Welsh MPs to do what they are already paid to do and look after Welsh affairs. No more pointless and expensive AMs duplicating the MPs expenses, just our elected representatives doing their job. Common sense really... ukipnewport.com Spinflight
  • Score: 1

7:14pm Wed 14 May 14

Ollie254 says...

Cymru Am Beth wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
BobEvams2014 wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
altom23 wrote:
BobEvams2014 wrote: When UKIP win the next General Election the WAG and all Welsh Local Authorities will be abolished and Wales Governed by one appointed Minister appointed by the Prime Minister and one true leader, this Minister will not need not have have a Welsh Constituancy, or for that matter even know where Wales is, most UKIP memebers fall into the later catergory, and are considered perfect material for the post
That is exactly what we had 15 years ago before the assembly when somebody called Redwood was our Governor General. Did that work????
Well it cost a hell of a lot less. You may think Wales got value for £700M a year (around £8 Billion since it's inception) but can you imagine what could have been achieved with that money? Vastly increasing the cost of government is not the same as giving people what they actually want and need. Unless you happen to be a politician, a civil servant or a Welsh Language minister on £104K a year who's role it is to try and prevent the inevitable. This shower are most definitely taking the 'P'.
I agree, lets go back to the good old days, when Wales was governed by an unelected, unaccountable English Home Counties Tory MP who couldn't be removed no matter how bad he was, yes he kept us Welsh in our place.

Happy times indeed !
Leaving aside that the Welsh Office minister was just as elected as this shower by British people (you make the distinction between English and Welsh, I don't. All our taxes go to the same place), we 'Welsh' as you put it, are now worse off. And you call THAT a result?
Exactly.
We should have seen this coming.
It was inevitable that if we voted 'yes' to an Assembly, democracy in Wales would be in the hands of Labour.
We seem to be stuck at the bottom of the heap, unable to move on and improve our current situation.
We did see it coming and didn't vote for it......the slimmest of majorities and many no votes not counted.....nuff said.
[quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BobEvams2014[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]altom23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BobEvams2014[/bold] wrote: When UKIP win the next General Election the WAG and all Welsh Local Authorities will be abolished and Wales Governed by one appointed Minister appointed by the Prime Minister and one true leader, this Minister will not need not have have a Welsh Constituancy, or for that matter even know where Wales is, most UKIP memebers fall into the later catergory, and are considered perfect material for the post[/p][/quote]That is exactly what we had 15 years ago before the assembly when somebody called Redwood was our Governor General. Did that work????[/p][/quote]Well it cost a hell of a lot less. You may think Wales got value for £700M a year (around £8 Billion since it's inception) but can you imagine what could have been achieved with that money? Vastly increasing the cost of government is not the same as giving people what they actually want and need. Unless you happen to be a politician, a civil servant or a Welsh Language minister on £104K a year who's role it is to try and prevent the inevitable. This shower are most definitely taking the 'P'.[/p][/quote]I agree, lets go back to the good old days, when Wales was governed by an unelected, unaccountable English Home Counties Tory MP who couldn't be removed no matter how bad he was, yes he kept us Welsh in our place. Happy times indeed ![/p][/quote]Leaving aside that the Welsh Office minister was just as elected as this shower by British people (you make the distinction between English and Welsh, I don't. All our taxes go to the same place), we 'Welsh' as you put it, are now worse off. And you call THAT a result?[/p][/quote]Exactly. We should have seen this coming. It was inevitable that if we voted 'yes' to an Assembly, democracy in Wales would be in the hands of Labour. We seem to be stuck at the bottom of the heap, unable to move on and improve our current situation.[/p][/quote]We did see it coming and didn't vote for it......the slimmest of majorities and many no votes not counted.....nuff said. Ollie254
  • Score: 5

8:45pm Wed 14 May 14

Mervyn James says...

paddyparry wrote:
An “exemplar for modern democracy”? Dominated by one party, no effective scrutiny, wasteful of money, unable to accept criticism from others (or their own members), presiding over failing education, employment and health policies. They are an exemplar of how modern democracy should not be done.
Maybe that;s how the tories and lib-dems do it but.....
[quote][p][bold]paddyparry[/bold] wrote: An “exemplar for modern democracy”? Dominated by one party, no effective scrutiny, wasteful of money, unable to accept criticism from others (or their own members), presiding over failing education, employment and health policies. They are an exemplar of how modern democracy should not be done.[/p][/quote]Maybe that;s how the tories and lib-dems do it but..... Mervyn James
  • Score: -4

9:03pm Wed 14 May 14

scraptheWAG says...

Spinflight wrote:
BobEvams2014 wrote:
When UKIP win the next General Election the WAG and all Welsh Local Authorities will be abolished and Wales Governed by one appointed Minister appointed by the Prime Minister and one true leader, this Minister will not need not have have a Welsh Constituancy, or for that matter even know where Wales is, most UKIP memebers fall into the later catergory, and are considered perfect material for the post
Fraid not old chap,

When UKIP win the assembly will become a forum for the 40 Welsh MPs to do what they are already paid to do and look after Welsh affairs.

No more pointless and expensive AMs duplicating the MPs expenses, just our elected representatives doing their job.

Common sense really...

ukipnewport.com
yes ukip would like to get rid of the assembly they have my vote i detest huge expensive buracracey
[quote][p][bold]Spinflight[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BobEvams2014[/bold] wrote: When UKIP win the next General Election the WAG and all Welsh Local Authorities will be abolished and Wales Governed by one appointed Minister appointed by the Prime Minister and one true leader, this Minister will not need not have have a Welsh Constituancy, or for that matter even know where Wales is, most UKIP memebers fall into the later catergory, and are considered perfect material for the post[/p][/quote]Fraid not old chap, When UKIP win the assembly will become a forum for the 40 Welsh MPs to do what they are already paid to do and look after Welsh affairs. No more pointless and expensive AMs duplicating the MPs expenses, just our elected representatives doing their job. Common sense really... ukipnewport.com[/p][/quote]yes ukip would like to get rid of the assembly they have my vote i detest huge expensive buracracey scraptheWAG
  • Score: 8

10:26am Fri 16 May 14

jimmysmith says...

BassalegCountyFan wrote:
I suspect that the real reason for the right's frustration with the Assembly (as evidenced in the comments on here) is not with what they view as failings, but because the Assembly has directly addressed the democratic deficit in Britain and given the people of Wales- the majority of whom are progressive and believe in social justice and equality - a say over their own future.

Before 1999 Wales was effectively ruled by predominately tory Welsh secretaries representing the English shires - Peter Walker (Worcester), David Hunt (Wirral West), John Redwood (Wokingham) and William Hague (Richmond) - who not only had no grasp of the issues facing the people of Wales, but no accountability to the Welsh people. I shudder at the thought of the incompetent Cheryl Gillian (Welsh sec from 2010-12) or the equally terrible current incumbent David Jones having the same ability to rule the roost over Wales. We now have our own voice, and it is crucial that we keep it.
and since 1999 wales has become a dump .you post away pal and enlighten us all where wales has benefited in any way .since 1999 every town has deteriorated more or less into ruin .the welsh assembly is nothing more than a leech on the welsh backside
[quote][p][bold]BassalegCountyFan[/bold] wrote: I suspect that the real reason for the right's frustration with the Assembly (as evidenced in the comments on here) is not with what they view as failings, but because the Assembly has directly addressed the democratic deficit in Britain and given the people of Wales- the majority of whom are progressive and believe in social justice and equality - a say over their own future. Before 1999 Wales was effectively ruled by predominately tory Welsh secretaries representing the English shires - Peter Walker (Worcester), David Hunt (Wirral West), John Redwood (Wokingham) and William Hague (Richmond) - who not only had no grasp of the issues facing the people of Wales, but no accountability to the Welsh people. I shudder at the thought of the incompetent Cheryl Gillian (Welsh sec from 2010-12) or the equally terrible current incumbent David Jones having the same ability to rule the roost over Wales. We now have our own voice, and it is crucial that we keep it.[/p][/quote]and since 1999 wales has become a dump .you post away pal and enlighten us all where wales has benefited in any way .since 1999 every town has deteriorated more or less into ruin .the welsh assembly is nothing more than a leech on the welsh backside jimmysmith
  • Score: 10

5:33pm Fri 16 May 14

Spinflight says...

"and since 1999 wales has become a dump .you post away pal and enlighten us all where wales has benefited in any way .since 1999 every town has deteriorated more or less into ruin .the welsh assembly is nothing more than a leech on the welsh backside"

Not true....

There are many labour politicians who have done very well indeed out of the Welsh economy. Even their lead MEP candidate is a millionaire, not to mention most of their MPs.

So as far as they are concerned the economy has been brilliant...
"and since 1999 wales has become a dump .you post away pal and enlighten us all where wales has benefited in any way .since 1999 every town has deteriorated more or less into ruin .the welsh assembly is nothing more than a leech on the welsh backside" Not true.... There are many labour politicians who have done very well indeed out of the Welsh economy. Even their lead MEP candidate is a millionaire, not to mention most of their MPs. So as far as they are concerned the economy has been brilliant... Spinflight
  • Score: 12

6:25am Sat 17 May 14

gwentman64 says...

it was pretty clear from its inception that with labour in power in Westminster the assembly would be ok, but as soon as the torys got in we were going to get underfunded, ,
just remember WHY we got the assembly, because "welsh question time " became a sick joke, tory mp's getting up and praising thatcher on behalf of their "welsh" constituents in essex !
it was pretty clear from its inception that with labour in power in Westminster the assembly would be ok, but as soon as the torys got in we were going to get underfunded, , just remember WHY we got the assembly, because "welsh question time " became a sick joke, tory mp's getting up and praising thatcher on behalf of their "welsh" constituents in essex ! gwentman64
  • Score: -6

10:19am Sat 17 May 14

scraptheWAG says...

gwentman64 wrote:
it was pretty clear from its inception that with labour in power in Westminster the assembly would be ok, but as soon as the torys got in we were going to get underfunded, ,
just remember WHY we got the assembly, because "welsh question time " became a sick joke, tory mp's getting up and praising thatcher on behalf of their "welsh" constituents in essex !
strange post - it was under the labour goverment since 1997 that newport saw HUGE decline i supose your one of these that vote labour because there father did
[quote][p][bold]gwentman64[/bold] wrote: it was pretty clear from its inception that with labour in power in Westminster the assembly would be ok, but as soon as the torys got in we were going to get underfunded, , just remember WHY we got the assembly, because "welsh question time " became a sick joke, tory mp's getting up and praising thatcher on behalf of their "welsh" constituents in essex ![/p][/quote]strange post - it was under the labour goverment since 1997 that newport saw HUGE decline i supose your one of these that vote labour because there father did scraptheWAG
  • Score: 3

10:20am Sat 17 May 14

scraptheWAG says...

altom23 wrote:
BobEvams2014 wrote:
When UKIP win the next General Election the WAG and all Welsh Local Authorities will be abolished and Wales Governed by one appointed Minister appointed by the Prime Minister and one true leader, this Minister will not need not have have a Welsh Constituancy, or for that matter even know where Wales is, most UKIP memebers fall into the later catergory, and are considered perfect material for the post
That is exactly what we had 15 years ago before the assembly when somebody called Redwood was our Governor General. Did that work????
mm they done a better job statistically speaking and were 500 million per annum cheaper
[quote][p][bold]altom23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BobEvams2014[/bold] wrote: When UKIP win the next General Election the WAG and all Welsh Local Authorities will be abolished and Wales Governed by one appointed Minister appointed by the Prime Minister and one true leader, this Minister will not need not have have a Welsh Constituancy, or for that matter even know where Wales is, most UKIP memebers fall into the later catergory, and are considered perfect material for the post[/p][/quote]That is exactly what we had 15 years ago before the assembly when somebody called Redwood was our Governor General. Did that work????[/p][/quote]mm they done a better job statistically speaking and were 500 million per annum cheaper scraptheWAG
  • Score: 6

10:25am Sat 17 May 14

scraptheWAG says...

Adrian Williams wrote:
All the Tories are interested in is the growing number of billionaires and privatising things so that their rich chums can profit
just like lasbour ah
[quote][p][bold]Adrian Williams[/bold] wrote: All the Tories are interested in is the growing number of billionaires and privatising things so that their rich chums can profit[/p][/quote]just like lasbour ah scraptheWAG
  • Score: 7

10:26am Sat 17 May 14

Mervyn James says...

scraptheWAG wrote:
Spinflight wrote:
BobEvams2014 wrote:
When UKIP win the next General Election the WAG and all Welsh Local Authorities will be abolished and Wales Governed by one appointed Minister appointed by the Prime Minister and one true leader, this Minister will not need not have have a Welsh Constituancy, or for that matter even know where Wales is, most UKIP memebers fall into the later catergory, and are considered perfect material for the post
Fraid not old chap,

When UKIP win the assembly will become a forum for the 40 Welsh MPs to do what they are already paid to do and look after Welsh affairs.

No more pointless and expensive AMs duplicating the MPs expenses, just our elected representatives doing their job.

Common sense really...

ukipnewport.com
yes ukip would like to get rid of the assembly they have my vote i detest huge expensive buracracey
It's a bit like replacing a poodle with a rottweiler really, to people that dislike dogs.. Nope MP's are duplicate, not AM's. 18 major welsh 'affairs' are run dierctly from Cardiff, including education/health etc... so what, are 40 MP's doing but feeding from the Westminster trough and leaving it all to AM's ? You mean like Murphy and Co ? feeding pointless EDM's of a Friday to justify their wage ? Apart from a Tuesday they aren't seen there.... and waffling about world affairs. Deluded doesn't cover half of them.
[quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Spinflight[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BobEvams2014[/bold] wrote: When UKIP win the next General Election the WAG and all Welsh Local Authorities will be abolished and Wales Governed by one appointed Minister appointed by the Prime Minister and one true leader, this Minister will not need not have have a Welsh Constituancy, or for that matter even know where Wales is, most UKIP memebers fall into the later catergory, and are considered perfect material for the post[/p][/quote]Fraid not old chap, When UKIP win the assembly will become a forum for the 40 Welsh MPs to do what they are already paid to do and look after Welsh affairs. No more pointless and expensive AMs duplicating the MPs expenses, just our elected representatives doing their job. Common sense really... ukipnewport.com[/p][/quote]yes ukip would like to get rid of the assembly they have my vote i detest huge expensive buracracey[/p][/quote]It's a bit like replacing a poodle with a rottweiler really, to people that dislike dogs.. Nope MP's are duplicate, not AM's. 18 major welsh 'affairs' are run dierctly from Cardiff, including education/health etc... so what, are 40 MP's doing but feeding from the Westminster trough and leaving it all to AM's ? You mean like Murphy and Co ? feeding pointless EDM's of a Friday to justify their wage ? Apart from a Tuesday they aren't seen there.... and waffling about world affairs. Deluded doesn't cover half of them. Mervyn James
  • Score: -8

7:37pm Sat 17 May 14

gwentman64 says...

scraptheWAG wrote:
gwentman64 wrote:
it was pretty clear from its inception that with labour in power in Westminster the assembly would be ok, but as soon as the torys got in we were going to get underfunded, ,
just remember WHY we got the assembly, because "welsh question time " became a sick joke, tory mp's getting up and praising thatcher on behalf of their "welsh" constituents in essex !
strange post - it was under the labour goverment since 1997 that newport saw HUGE decline i supose your one of these that vote labour because there father did
it wasn't labour that murdered our docks, our coal or our steel industry, it was tory privatization,
[quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gwentman64[/bold] wrote: it was pretty clear from its inception that with labour in power in Westminster the assembly would be ok, but as soon as the torys got in we were going to get underfunded, , just remember WHY we got the assembly, because "welsh question time " became a sick joke, tory mp's getting up and praising thatcher on behalf of their "welsh" constituents in essex ![/p][/quote]strange post - it was under the labour goverment since 1997 that newport saw HUGE decline i supose your one of these that vote labour because there father did[/p][/quote]it wasn't labour that murdered our docks, our coal or our steel industry, it was tory privatization, gwentman64
  • Score: -5

1:50am Sun 18 May 14

Spinflight says...

Strange to be slightly nostalgic for Redwood's honest and relatively efficient contempt, in comparison to wasteful and subreptile contempt displayed by both the millionaire labour and tory AM / MP / MEP / councilors.

Maybe it just just nostalgia but him and his crew appeared slightly less scummy on the whole. I guess at least he was a millionaire before he got into politics rather than grafting his way there with our money.

We need some local heroes to come forward and kick them all out at the next elections.

ukipnewport.com
Strange to be slightly nostalgic for Redwood's honest and relatively efficient contempt, in comparison to wasteful and subreptile contempt displayed by both the millionaire labour and tory AM / MP / MEP / councilors. Maybe it just just nostalgia but him and his crew appeared slightly less scummy on the whole. I guess at least he was a millionaire before he got into politics rather than grafting his way there with our money. We need some local heroes to come forward and kick them all out at the next elections. ukipnewport.com Spinflight
  • Score: 5

5:51pm Sun 18 May 14

Llanmartinangel says...

Spinflight wrote:
Strange to be slightly nostalgic for Redwood's honest and relatively efficient contempt, in comparison to wasteful and subreptile contempt displayed by both the millionaire labour and tory AM / MP / MEP / councilors.

Maybe it just just nostalgia but him and his crew appeared slightly less scummy on the whole. I guess at least he was a millionaire before he got into politics rather than grafting his way there with our money.

We need some local heroes to come forward and kick them all out at the next elections.

ukipnewport.com
There's some truth there for sure. Those who revile Redwood and Haig seem to think that 60 variants of Mother Theresa have been parachuted in in their place. What flaming nonsense that is, and expensive nonsense at that.
[quote][p][bold]Spinflight[/bold] wrote: Strange to be slightly nostalgic for Redwood's honest and relatively efficient contempt, in comparison to wasteful and subreptile contempt displayed by both the millionaire labour and tory AM / MP / MEP / councilors. Maybe it just just nostalgia but him and his crew appeared slightly less scummy on the whole. I guess at least he was a millionaire before he got into politics rather than grafting his way there with our money. We need some local heroes to come forward and kick them all out at the next elections. ukipnewport.com[/p][/quote]There's some truth there for sure. Those who revile Redwood and Haig seem to think that 60 variants of Mother Theresa have been parachuted in in their place. What flaming nonsense that is, and expensive nonsense at that. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 3

6:29pm Sun 18 May 14

scraptheWAG says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
Spinflight wrote:
Strange to be slightly nostalgic for Redwood's honest and relatively efficient contempt, in comparison to wasteful and subreptile contempt displayed by both the millionaire labour and tory AM / MP / MEP / councilors.

Maybe it just just nostalgia but him and his crew appeared slightly less scummy on the whole. I guess at least he was a millionaire before he got into politics rather than grafting his way there with our money.

We need some local heroes to come forward and kick them all out at the next elections.

ukipnewport.com
There's some truth there for sure. Those who revile Redwood and Haig seem to think that 60 variants of Mother Theresa have been parachuted in in their place. What flaming nonsense that is, and expensive nonsense at that.
it always makes me laugh when the likes of merv make out that blair and brown are two working class lads from the local estate, . Blair has more houses than the duke of westminster.
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Spinflight[/bold] wrote: Strange to be slightly nostalgic for Redwood's honest and relatively efficient contempt, in comparison to wasteful and subreptile contempt displayed by both the millionaire labour and tory AM / MP / MEP / councilors. Maybe it just just nostalgia but him and his crew appeared slightly less scummy on the whole. I guess at least he was a millionaire before he got into politics rather than grafting his way there with our money. We need some local heroes to come forward and kick them all out at the next elections. ukipnewport.com[/p][/quote]There's some truth there for sure. Those who revile Redwood and Haig seem to think that 60 variants of Mother Theresa have been parachuted in in their place. What flaming nonsense that is, and expensive nonsense at that.[/p][/quote]it always makes me laugh when the likes of merv make out that blair and brown are two working class lads from the local estate, . Blair has more houses than the duke of westminster. scraptheWAG
  • Score: 3

9:44am Mon 19 May 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

scraptheWAG wrote:
Adrian Williams wrote:
All the Tories are interested in is the growing number of billionaires and privatising things so that their rich chums can profit
just like lasbour ah
Exactly.
Tony B Liar comes to mind here.
Laughing all the away to the bank.
Notice Brown is also getting on the trough bandwagon.
[quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Adrian Williams[/bold] wrote: All the Tories are interested in is the growing number of billionaires and privatising things so that their rich chums can profit[/p][/quote]just like lasbour ah[/p][/quote]Exactly. Tony B Liar comes to mind here. Laughing all the away to the bank. Notice Brown is also getting on the trough bandwagon. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: 0

9:47am Mon 19 May 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

Spinflight wrote:
Strange to be slightly nostalgic for Redwood's honest and relatively efficient contempt, in comparison to wasteful and subreptile contempt displayed by both the millionaire labour and tory AM / MP / MEP / councilors.

Maybe it just just nostalgia but him and his crew appeared slightly less scummy on the whole. I guess at least he was a millionaire before he got into politics rather than grafting his way there with our money.

We need some local heroes to come forward and kick them all out at the next elections.

ukipnewport.com
Agree.
Don't hold your breath.
Labour will dominate again as they always do in Wales.
[quote][p][bold]Spinflight[/bold] wrote: Strange to be slightly nostalgic for Redwood's honest and relatively efficient contempt, in comparison to wasteful and subreptile contempt displayed by both the millionaire labour and tory AM / MP / MEP / councilors. Maybe it just just nostalgia but him and his crew appeared slightly less scummy on the whole. I guess at least he was a millionaire before he got into politics rather than grafting his way there with our money. We need some local heroes to come forward and kick them all out at the next elections. ukipnewport.com[/p][/quote]Agree. Don't hold your breath. Labour will dominate again as they always do in Wales. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: 0

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