“Why should we be scared of them?” - Pill residents won’t let drug dealers drive them out

South Wales Argus: Pill councillor Ibrahim Hayat Pill councillor Ibrahim Hayat

RESIDENTS of Pill joined police officers and councillors this evening in a meeting to tackle the “plague” of drugs taking over their streets.

Around 40 residents gathered at the Pill Millennium centre for the meeting lead by local councillors Ibrahim Hayat and Omar Ali.

Cllr Hayat said drugs had “become like a disease, a plague spreading through the area.”

He said: “We’ve got to now try and get this community back from these people. Nobody is above the law. I grew up here. This is my home and I don’t want to be driven out by anybody.
“I’ve got faith in this community. Why should we be scared of them? They should be scared of us.”

Tracey Holyoake, who voluntarily runs Pill Mill, said: “We are being treated like rats in this area. As residents, we feel no one is listening and nothing is being done.”

Ms Hollyoake referred to an incident last week when volunteers who had come to clear up the centre and its surroundings, refused to tackle one area as there were so many needles.

Another resident relayed an incident of council workers, sent to cut back the overgrown grass, having to abandon the work for the same reason.

Tony Southhall, chair of the Pill Neighbourhood Watch, said: “I’ve seen needles in places where children play. It’s total disrespect. We have individuals here today who won’t speak up, in case drug dealers see who they are.

“We don’t report it. There are 15 main drug dealers in Pill. You ask any 8-year-old in Pill and they will tell you their names, addresses and who their runners are.

“I’ve seen kids afraid to go out in the street. I don’t want to live like this.”

Police officer for Pill, Val Bryan, said: “We know what they are doing. We know they’ve got street pedlars and youngsters doing it. But we’ve got to try and identify the cars.

Officer Bryan admitted there were times when his shift would finish 1am, but no one else would be covering Pill until 4am.

He said: “It’s a big problem. There are not enough of us. But you’ve got to keep telling us and provide as much detail about these people.”

Frustrated residents made pleas for more police officers to be instated, so there is 24/7 coverage in Pill. Councillor Omar Ali said it was a matter he would take to the Police and Crime Commissioner, Ian Johnston.

These meetings will continue to take place from now on, every Wednesday at 7pm at the Pill Millennium Centre.

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11:09pm Wed 21 May 14

landyman3030 says...

Unfortunately it has to come to this desperate situation to make people realise just how thin the thin blue line really is. People don't realise that if the PCSO are not on shift then you are at the mercy of Central if you need a copper. You get one vehicle with 2 coppers running ALL over Newport from Moorland Park to Old Barn to Duffryn to Pill to Moorland Park.
Drugs are being sold and used openly on our streets all over Newport. Sorted and sold by kids. Organised by untouchable dealers who are so blatent its maddening.
Council wardens having to go around in fours for security
Ring Central and report something and see how long it takes to get.a copper. Its been days before we've had a call saying they are still trying to get to us. DAYS!!!!!
We need uniforms over all the streets taking our street corners back. Curfews for known offenders and family asbos for persistent young offenders. If your child keeps misbehaving we will turn off your wifi and remove your tv. And the whole family has to stay in after 7pm.
And if that fails then i believe an area curfew for everybody should be started.
Drastic measures for drastic times. Sadly.
Unfortunately it has to come to this desperate situation to make people realise just how thin the thin blue line really is. People don't realise that if the PCSO are not on shift then you are at the mercy of Central if you need a copper. You get one vehicle with 2 coppers running ALL over Newport from Moorland Park to Old Barn to Duffryn to Pill to Moorland Park. Drugs are being sold and used openly on our streets all over Newport. Sorted and sold by kids. Organised by untouchable dealers who are so blatent its maddening. Council wardens having to go around in fours for security Ring Central and report something and see how long it takes to get.a copper. Its been days before we've had a call saying they are still trying to get to us. DAYS!!!!! We need uniforms over all the streets taking our street corners back. Curfews for known offenders and family asbos for persistent young offenders. If your child keeps misbehaving we will turn off your wifi and remove your tv. And the whole family has to stay in after 7pm. And if that fails then i believe an area curfew for everybody should be started. Drastic measures for drastic times. Sadly. landyman3030
  • Score: 48

8:41am Thu 22 May 14

inkyskin says...

it's not just in Pill though is it, these dealers are on nearly EVERY estate, why tar pill with a bad name all the time?, there are worse places to live in Newport than Pill for sure.
it's not just in Pill though is it, these dealers are on nearly EVERY estate, why tar pill with a bad name all the time?, there are worse places to live in Newport than Pill for sure. inkyskin
  • Score: 17

10:05am Thu 22 May 14

lee neale says...

How do we even start to rectify this problem!?...even respectable looking people deal drugs, not jus your hoodies!
How do we even start to rectify this problem!?...even respectable looking people deal drugs, not jus your hoodies! lee neale
  • Score: 19

10:43am Thu 22 May 14

-trigg- says...

landyman3030 wrote:
Unfortunately it has to come to this desperate situation to make people realise just how thin the thin blue line really is. People don't realise that if the PCSO are not on shift then you are at the mercy of Central if you need a copper. You get one vehicle with 2 coppers running ALL over Newport from Moorland Park to Old Barn to Duffryn to Pill to Moorland Park. Drugs are being sold and used openly on our streets all over Newport. Sorted and sold by kids. Organised by untouchable dealers who are so blatent its maddening. Council wardens having to go around in fours for security Ring Central and report something and see how long it takes to get.a copper. Its been days before we've had a call saying they are still trying to get to us. DAYS!!!!! We need uniforms over all the streets taking our street corners back. Curfews for known offenders and family asbos for persistent young offenders. If your child keeps misbehaving we will turn off your wifi and remove your tv. And the whole family has to stay in after 7pm. And if that fails then i believe an area curfew for everybody should be started. Drastic measures for drastic times. Sadly.
It sounds like what you are advocating is one step short of martial law. While it may be a solution to the immediate problem I doubt if many would really want to see armed police or soldiers on each street corner maintaining a curfew.

We need to look at innovative solutions to this issue. For example, If dealers have nobody to sell to, they won't make any money and will stop selling. For cannabis this could easilyy be done by legalising and taxing the sale and use of marijuana.

For harder drugs, a programme of monitored free supply and rehabilitation without the threat of legal action would not only remove the market for these substances but provide a route for those addicted to return to contributing positively to society.

In short: target the dealers where it hurts - in their pockets.
[quote][p][bold]landyman3030[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately it has to come to this desperate situation to make people realise just how thin the thin blue line really is. People don't realise that if the PCSO are not on shift then you are at the mercy of Central if you need a copper. You get one vehicle with 2 coppers running ALL over Newport from Moorland Park to Old Barn to Duffryn to Pill to Moorland Park. Drugs are being sold and used openly on our streets all over Newport. Sorted and sold by kids. Organised by untouchable dealers who are so blatent its maddening. Council wardens having to go around in fours for security Ring Central and report something and see how long it takes to get.a copper. Its been days before we've had a call saying they are still trying to get to us. DAYS!!!!! We need uniforms over all the streets taking our street corners back. Curfews for known offenders and family asbos for persistent young offenders. If your child keeps misbehaving we will turn off your wifi and remove your tv. And the whole family has to stay in after 7pm. And if that fails then i believe an area curfew for everybody should be started. Drastic measures for drastic times. Sadly.[/p][/quote]It sounds like what you are advocating is one step short of martial law. While it may be a solution to the immediate problem I doubt if many would really want to see armed police or soldiers on each street corner maintaining a curfew. We need to look at innovative solutions to this issue. For example, If dealers have nobody to sell to, they won't make any money and will stop selling. For cannabis this could easilyy be done by legalising and taxing the sale and use of marijuana. For harder drugs, a programme of monitored free supply and rehabilitation without the threat of legal action would not only remove the market for these substances but provide a route for those addicted to return to contributing positively to society. In short: target the dealers where it hurts - in their pockets. -trigg-
  • Score: 18

10:55am Thu 22 May 14

landyman3030 says...

Inkyskin, Pill is mentioned solely because that is where the meeting was held and it was about Pills community concerns over policing and drug dealing in the area. It is on every estate and area in Newport and beyond.
It's just that the Pill community have been seen to actually get together and discuss the problem and options available.
Pill has been my stamping ground for almost 30 years and when i speak to friends who live there now i get the same message which is that there are high levels of drugs and prostitution in all areas run by many people.
There are high levels of immigration but Pill is well used to being United Nations. It is the drugs and crime that is escalating to the point where people think twice before going out at night.
There are large area asbo orders in place in St Julians and Moorland Park at the moment. Probably more. So it's not just pill that is suffering.
As to what can be done........what a question.
I firmly believe that the authorities have to get tough with the criminals.
That means more proper police on the streets having the resources to engage the dealers at all levels whilst being backed up by the CPS and the prisons.
Not a slap on the wrist like it is now.
Funding to the police in general is a joke. When the police admit there is no cover for 3 hours you know it's bad. Read my post. That's not just Pill. Thats everywhere that has to rely on response teams to come and help you. If they are in Moorland Park stuck in a situation you can go swing.
A community policeman told me he no longer sees himself as a community copper because he is forced to spend more and more of his time in the van on response either in town or elsewhere. My pcso for my area are regularly having to go to Caerleon or Duffryn to help out because there is no cover available. So when we have drugs being dealt outside of our house at 3.30pm when the school kids are walking past and i ring the pcso the response i have gotten in the past is sorry but we will get to you as soon as possible but we are in the mobile unit at a school out of area because parents are fighting over car spaces.
Hard decisions need to be made and enforced. Society has had enough.
Inkyskin, Pill is mentioned solely because that is where the meeting was held and it was about Pills community concerns over policing and drug dealing in the area. It is on every estate and area in Newport and beyond. It's just that the Pill community have been seen to actually get together and discuss the problem and options available. Pill has been my stamping ground for almost 30 years and when i speak to friends who live there now i get the same message which is that there are high levels of drugs and prostitution in all areas run by many people. There are high levels of immigration but Pill is well used to being United Nations. It is the drugs and crime that is escalating to the point where people think twice before going out at night. There are large area asbo orders in place in St Julians and Moorland Park at the moment. Probably more. So it's not just pill that is suffering. As to what can be done........what a question. I firmly believe that the authorities have to get tough with the criminals. That means more proper police on the streets having the resources to engage the dealers at all levels whilst being backed up by the CPS and the prisons. Not a slap on the wrist like it is now. Funding to the police in general is a joke. When the police admit there is no cover for 3 hours you know it's bad. Read my post. That's not just Pill. Thats everywhere that has to rely on response teams to come and help you. If they are in Moorland Park stuck in a situation you can go swing. A community policeman told me he no longer sees himself as a community copper because he is forced to spend more and more of his time in the van on response either in town or elsewhere. My pcso for my area are regularly having to go to Caerleon or Duffryn to help out because there is no cover available. So when we have drugs being dealt outside of our house at 3.30pm when the school kids are walking past and i ring the pcso the response i have gotten in the past is sorry but we will get to you as soon as possible but we are in the mobile unit at a school out of area because parents are fighting over car spaces. Hard decisions need to be made and enforced. Society has had enough. landyman3030
  • Score: 26

11:07am Thu 22 May 14

landyman3030 says...

-trigg- wrote:
landyman3030 wrote:
Unfortunately it has to come to this desperate situation to make people realise just how thin the thin blue line really is. People don't realise that if the PCSO are not on shift then you are at the mercy of Central if you need a copper. You get one vehicle with 2 coppers running ALL over Newport from Moorland Park to Old Barn to Duffryn to Pill to Moorland Park. Drugs are being sold and used openly on our streets all over Newport. Sorted and sold by kids. Organised by untouchable dealers who are so blatent its maddening. Council wardens having to go around in fours for security Ring Central and report something and see how long it takes to get.a copper. Its been days before we've had a call saying they are still trying to get to us. DAYS!!!!! We need uniforms over all the streets taking our street corners back. Curfews for known offenders and family asbos for persistent young offenders. If your child keeps misbehaving we will turn off your wifi and remove your tv. And the whole family has to stay in after 7pm. And if that fails then i believe an area curfew for everybody should be started. Drastic measures for drastic times. Sadly.
It sounds like what you are advocating is one step short of martial law. While it may be a solution to the immediate problem I doubt if many would really want to see armed police or soldiers on each street corner maintaining a curfew.

We need to look at innovative solutions to this issue. For example, If dealers have nobody to sell to, they won't make any money and will stop selling. For cannabis this could easilyy be done by legalising and taxing the sale and use of marijuana.

For harder drugs, a programme of monitored free supply and rehabilitation without the threat of legal action would not only remove the market for these substances but provide a route for those addicted to return to contributing positively to society.

In short: target the dealers where it hurts - in their pockets.
One step short of Martial law is exactly what i suggest.
Why do the authorities have to be armed i ask? Any further than they already are. Issue soldiers with batons and handcuffs if you like but you shouldn't have to. You've obviously never had to deal with gangs of 15 year old kids dealing and using drugs outside your house in the daytime. You've never seen the council wardens turn up in fours for security or when there are 2 they won't get out of the car. When you speak to the wardens and pcso and they say that most of the kids are known faces and that they are mostly carrying blades in some form but they can't search them because there are only 1 or 2 of us and there are over a dozen of them. And the kids know it.
If you legalise a drug you must price it cheaply so people can afford it. Look at the history of legalised drugs. Priced to the enth degree and now taxed to death by the government. Cigarettes, tobacco, alcohol etc. So what do people do? they smuggle or grow their own. With drug dealers they will just go to the drug dealer whose cheapest. Market forces proves it. Tesco has been doing it for years with food.
I've seen free supply and rehabilitation first hand. It is so abused it's unreal. Time to get tough. Prison sentences are a joke. Treated as a holiday if it gets that far.
[quote][p][bold]-trigg-[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]landyman3030[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately it has to come to this desperate situation to make people realise just how thin the thin blue line really is. People don't realise that if the PCSO are not on shift then you are at the mercy of Central if you need a copper. You get one vehicle with 2 coppers running ALL over Newport from Moorland Park to Old Barn to Duffryn to Pill to Moorland Park. Drugs are being sold and used openly on our streets all over Newport. Sorted and sold by kids. Organised by untouchable dealers who are so blatent its maddening. Council wardens having to go around in fours for security Ring Central and report something and see how long it takes to get.a copper. Its been days before we've had a call saying they are still trying to get to us. DAYS!!!!! We need uniforms over all the streets taking our street corners back. Curfews for known offenders and family asbos for persistent young offenders. If your child keeps misbehaving we will turn off your wifi and remove your tv. And the whole family has to stay in after 7pm. And if that fails then i believe an area curfew for everybody should be started. Drastic measures for drastic times. Sadly.[/p][/quote]It sounds like what you are advocating is one step short of martial law. While it may be a solution to the immediate problem I doubt if many would really want to see armed police or soldiers on each street corner maintaining a curfew. We need to look at innovative solutions to this issue. For example, If dealers have nobody to sell to, they won't make any money and will stop selling. For cannabis this could easilyy be done by legalising and taxing the sale and use of marijuana. For harder drugs, a programme of monitored free supply and rehabilitation without the threat of legal action would not only remove the market for these substances but provide a route for those addicted to return to contributing positively to society. In short: target the dealers where it hurts - in their pockets.[/p][/quote]One step short of Martial law is exactly what i suggest. Why do the authorities have to be armed i ask? Any further than they already are. Issue soldiers with batons and handcuffs if you like but you shouldn't have to. You've obviously never had to deal with gangs of 15 year old kids dealing and using drugs outside your house in the daytime. You've never seen the council wardens turn up in fours for security or when there are 2 they won't get out of the car. When you speak to the wardens and pcso and they say that most of the kids are known faces and that they are mostly carrying blades in some form but they can't search them because there are only 1 or 2 of us and there are over a dozen of them. And the kids know it. If you legalise a drug you must price it cheaply so people can afford it. Look at the history of legalised drugs. Priced to the enth degree and now taxed to death by the government. Cigarettes, tobacco, alcohol etc. So what do people do? they smuggle or grow their own. With drug dealers they will just go to the drug dealer whose cheapest. Market forces proves it. Tesco has been doing it for years with food. I've seen free supply and rehabilitation first hand. It is so abused it's unreal. Time to get tough. Prison sentences are a joke. Treated as a holiday if it gets that far. landyman3030
  • Score: 14

12:52pm Thu 22 May 14

displayed says...

"There are 15 main drug dealers in Pill. You ask any 8-year-old in Pill and they will tell you their names, addresses and who their runners are."

Police officer for Pill, Val Bryan, said: “We know what they are doing. We know they’ve got street pedlars and youngsters doing it. But we’ve got to try and identify the cars."

Of corse everyone knows who they are and they' re dealing, but the authorities dont wanna get involved!

As for the police they seem to spend most of their time filling out reports and drinking tea in the canteen.............
..........

If u wanna know the time, ask a policeman (if u can find one).

If u wanna report a crime, they aint got the time (forget it)!
"There are 15 main drug dealers in Pill. You ask any 8-year-old in Pill and they will tell you their names, addresses and who their runners are." Police officer for Pill, Val Bryan, said: “We know what they are doing. We know they’ve got street pedlars and youngsters doing it. But we’ve got to try and identify the cars." Of corse everyone knows who they are and they' re dealing, but the authorities dont wanna get involved! As for the police they seem to spend most of their time filling out reports and drinking tea in the canteen............. .......... If u wanna know the time, ask a policeman (if u can find one). If u wanna report a crime, they aint got the time (forget it)! displayed
  • Score: -10

1:05pm Thu 22 May 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

landyman3030 wrote:
Unfortunately it has to come to this desperate situation to make people realise just how thin the thin blue line really is. People don't realise that if the PCSO are not on shift then you are at the mercy of Central if you need a copper. You get one vehicle with 2 coppers running ALL over Newport from Moorland Park to Old Barn to Duffryn to Pill to Moorland Park.
Drugs are being sold and used openly on our streets all over Newport. Sorted and sold by kids. Organised by untouchable dealers who are so blatent its maddening.
Council wardens having to go around in fours for security
Ring Central and report something and see how long it takes to get.a copper. Its been days before we've had a call saying they are still trying to get to us. DAYS!!!!!
We need uniforms over all the streets taking our street corners back. Curfews for known offenders and family asbos for persistent young offenders. If your child keeps misbehaving we will turn off your wifi and remove your tv. And the whole family has to stay in after 7pm.
And if that fails then i believe an area curfew for everybody should be started.
Drastic measures for drastic times. Sadly.
Absolutely spot on .
That is how the police used to tackle these problems 30 years ago.
Now they are a group of politically correct social worker types who don't want to get involved in 'real' policing anymore.
Zero tolerance and a hard crackdown on these criminals would do the trick.
However, they would be more worried about the repercussions if they banged a few heads together which is what is needed.
Soft on crime and the causes of crime, comes to mind.
[quote][p][bold]landyman3030[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately it has to come to this desperate situation to make people realise just how thin the thin blue line really is. People don't realise that if the PCSO are not on shift then you are at the mercy of Central if you need a copper. You get one vehicle with 2 coppers running ALL over Newport from Moorland Park to Old Barn to Duffryn to Pill to Moorland Park. Drugs are being sold and used openly on our streets all over Newport. Sorted and sold by kids. Organised by untouchable dealers who are so blatent its maddening. Council wardens having to go around in fours for security Ring Central and report something and see how long it takes to get.a copper. Its been days before we've had a call saying they are still trying to get to us. DAYS!!!!! We need uniforms over all the streets taking our street corners back. Curfews for known offenders and family asbos for persistent young offenders. If your child keeps misbehaving we will turn off your wifi and remove your tv. And the whole family has to stay in after 7pm. And if that fails then i believe an area curfew for everybody should be started. Drastic measures for drastic times. Sadly.[/p][/quote]Absolutely spot on . That is how the police used to tackle these problems 30 years ago. Now they are a group of politically correct social worker types who don't want to get involved in 'real' policing anymore. Zero tolerance and a hard crackdown on these criminals would do the trick. However, they would be more worried about the repercussions if they banged a few heads together which is what is needed. Soft on crime and the causes of crime, comes to mind. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: 15

1:47pm Thu 22 May 14

landyman3030 says...

I agree with the previous comment that to hurt a drug dealer you have to take away his customers. It's how to do it that is the million dollar question. Can we really justify legalizing marijuana when we are treating tobacco smokers with being so anti social? Marijuana in all its forms and strengths seems to be prevalent absolutely everywhere today. You can smell it if you stand outside a fast food outlet, in a park or on the clothes of the person next to you on the bus. Stand next to the comprehensive school gates most lunch times and you will get a whiff on a pupils clothes. People openly smoke it as they walk through the city centre in Newport and nothing is done because there is nobody there to do it.
All drug dealers use teenagers and younger to run for them.
So we get back to the age old boring sentence " where are the parents?"
And that, unfortunately, is the crux of many of todays problems with society. Not many parents are interested enough to enquire where little johnny or janice have been until whatever time and who with.
There has GOT to be a way forward for society to persuade young adults that there is more to life than dealing or using. We just got to find it. or the spiral will continue and the streets will become more lawless. With our kids in the middle of it.
I agree with the previous comment that to hurt a drug dealer you have to take away his customers. It's how to do it that is the million dollar question. Can we really justify legalizing marijuana when we are treating tobacco smokers with being so anti social? Marijuana in all its forms and strengths seems to be prevalent absolutely everywhere today. You can smell it if you stand outside a fast food outlet, in a park or on the clothes of the person next to you on the bus. Stand next to the comprehensive school gates most lunch times and you will get a whiff on a pupils clothes. People openly smoke it as they walk through the city centre in Newport and nothing is done because there is nobody there to do it. All drug dealers use teenagers and younger to run for them. So we get back to the age old boring sentence " where are the parents?" And that, unfortunately, is the crux of many of todays problems with society. Not many parents are interested enough to enquire where little johnny or janice have been until whatever time and who with. There has GOT to be a way forward for society to persuade young adults that there is more to life than dealing or using. We just got to find it. or the spiral will continue and the streets will become more lawless. With our kids in the middle of it. landyman3030
  • Score: 10

2:13pm Thu 22 May 14

Woodgnome says...

People power - well done Pill. A good example to others.
People power - well done Pill. A good example to others. Woodgnome
  • Score: 11

5:42pm Thu 22 May 14

welshmen says...

Legalise all drugs, sell them, or on script to addicts, all the billions spent on fighting the drug barons hasn't worked, America has tried and can't stop them, how can anyone else, use the profits to build rehab centers across our country, spend money for lecturing at schools to enforce the pro's and con's, release more Police on the Streets to fight knife crime, caught carrying a knife first time and convicted five years hard labour, we need to stop playing with these people, prison should be hard labour, no TV's X Boxes etc, these are treats that can be earned not just given to keep the con's quite, there's plenty of digging trenches to done with the a Nation wide commitment to install broad band....hedges tree's and grass to be cut, plenty to keep them occupied, it just takes commitment by this stupid useless not fit for purpose coalition train-wreck of a Government to ignore the Liberal Elite dogooders.....
Legalise all drugs, sell them, or on script to addicts, all the billions spent on fighting the drug barons hasn't worked, America has tried and can't stop them, how can anyone else, use the profits to build rehab centers across our country, spend money for lecturing at schools to enforce the pro's and con's, release more Police on the Streets to fight knife crime, caught carrying a knife first time and convicted five years hard labour, we need to stop playing with these people, prison should be hard labour, no TV's X Boxes etc, these are treats that can be earned not just given to keep the con's quite, there's plenty of digging trenches to done with the a Nation wide commitment to install broad band....hedges tree's and grass to be cut, plenty to keep them occupied, it just takes commitment by this stupid useless not fit for purpose coalition train-wreck of a Government to ignore the Liberal Elite dogooders..... welshmen
  • Score: 4

8:44pm Thu 22 May 14

landyman3030 says...

welshmen wrote:
Legalise all drugs, sell them, or on script to addicts, all the billions spent on fighting the drug barons hasn't worked, America has tried and can't stop them, how can anyone else, use the profits to build rehab centers across our country, spend money for lecturing at schools to enforce the pro's and con's, release more Police on the Streets to fight knife crime, caught carrying a knife first time and convicted five years hard labour, we need to stop playing with these people, prison should be hard labour, no TV's X Boxes etc, these are treats that can be earned not just given to keep the con's quite, there's plenty of digging trenches to done with the a Nation wide commitment to install broad band....hedges tree's and grass to be cut, plenty to keep them occupied, it just takes commitment by this stupid useless not fit for purpose coalition train-wreck of a Government to ignore the Liberal Elite dogooders.....
Surely if you legalise all drugs you open the floodgate to addiction. If you put drugs in shops or on script the types of heroin and cocaine people crave would not be freely given so they would resort to black market or crime to pay for it. Back to square 1. Schools already have a massive anti drugs program which obviously isn't working. Why is the message to getting through?
When I was out on the town we used to have a few cans before the pub. Front loading they.call it now. Young lads in their late teens and twenties now do the same but they have a sprinkle of m cat or £50 of cocaine to kick off the night. So what is being missed?
Welshmen, I agree 100 percent with rest. More plod on the streets and tough as nails on knife crime. Children pre pubescent are carrying in parts of Newport. Fact. I know them.
Cameron spouts about his Big Society. If you live in society, you adhere to societies rules. You choose to break those rules means you should serve society as payback. If that's a chain gang so be it. Cool hand Luke style. If it's imprisonment it should be hard and horrible so nobody wants to go back.
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: Legalise all drugs, sell them, or on script to addicts, all the billions spent on fighting the drug barons hasn't worked, America has tried and can't stop them, how can anyone else, use the profits to build rehab centers across our country, spend money for lecturing at schools to enforce the pro's and con's, release more Police on the Streets to fight knife crime, caught carrying a knife first time and convicted five years hard labour, we need to stop playing with these people, prison should be hard labour, no TV's X Boxes etc, these are treats that can be earned not just given to keep the con's quite, there's plenty of digging trenches to done with the a Nation wide commitment to install broad band....hedges tree's and grass to be cut, plenty to keep them occupied, it just takes commitment by this stupid useless not fit for purpose coalition train-wreck of a Government to ignore the Liberal Elite dogooders.....[/p][/quote]Surely if you legalise all drugs you open the floodgate to addiction. If you put drugs in shops or on script the types of heroin and cocaine people crave would not be freely given so they would resort to black market or crime to pay for it. Back to square 1. Schools already have a massive anti drugs program which obviously isn't working. Why is the message to getting through? When I was out on the town we used to have a few cans before the pub. Front loading they.call it now. Young lads in their late teens and twenties now do the same but they have a sprinkle of m cat or £50 of cocaine to kick off the night. So what is being missed? Welshmen, I agree 100 percent with rest. More plod on the streets and tough as nails on knife crime. Children pre pubescent are carrying in parts of Newport. Fact. I know them. Cameron spouts about his Big Society. If you live in society, you adhere to societies rules. You choose to break those rules means you should serve society as payback. If that's a chain gang so be it. Cool hand Luke style. If it's imprisonment it should be hard and horrible so nobody wants to go back. landyman3030
  • Score: 13

9:25am Fri 23 May 14

-trigg- says...

welshmen wrote:
Legalise all drugs, sell them, or on script to addicts, all the billions spent on fighting the drug barons hasn't worked, America has tried and can't stop them, how can anyone else, use the profits to build rehab centers across our country, spend money for lecturing at schools to enforce the pro's and con's, release more Police on the Streets to fight knife crime, caught carrying a knife first time and convicted five years hard labour, we need to stop playing with these people, prison should be hard labour, no TV's X Boxes etc, these are treats that can be earned not just given to keep the con's quite, there's plenty of digging trenches to done with the a Nation wide commitment to install broad band....hedges tree's and grass to be cut, plenty to keep them occupied, it just takes commitment by this stupid useless not fit for purpose coalition train-wreck of a Government to ignore the Liberal Elite dogooders.....
Those TVs and games consoles in prison cells aren't there to make life better for the prisoners. They're something to keep the convicts distracted so they don't notice just how few staff there are these days.

No wonder there are so many prisoners absconding these days, there aren't enough officers left to keep them all in. The biggest surprise is that we haven't had a repeat of the Strangeways riot yet.
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: Legalise all drugs, sell them, or on script to addicts, all the billions spent on fighting the drug barons hasn't worked, America has tried and can't stop them, how can anyone else, use the profits to build rehab centers across our country, spend money for lecturing at schools to enforce the pro's and con's, release more Police on the Streets to fight knife crime, caught carrying a knife first time and convicted five years hard labour, we need to stop playing with these people, prison should be hard labour, no TV's X Boxes etc, these are treats that can be earned not just given to keep the con's quite, there's plenty of digging trenches to done with the a Nation wide commitment to install broad band....hedges tree's and grass to be cut, plenty to keep them occupied, it just takes commitment by this stupid useless not fit for purpose coalition train-wreck of a Government to ignore the Liberal Elite dogooders.....[/p][/quote]Those TVs and games consoles in prison cells aren't there to make life better for the prisoners. They're something to keep the convicts distracted so they don't notice just how few staff there are these days. No wonder there are so many prisoners absconding these days, there aren't enough officers left to keep them all in. The biggest surprise is that we haven't had a repeat of the Strangeways riot yet. -trigg-
  • Score: 5

4:45pm Fri 23 May 14

Charlie1501 says...

Hold on.....am i hearing this right?.....You can name names and addresses but you won't go to the police????......If you want your community back then you need to stand up for your community. Stop giving the dealers and runners free license.
Hold on.....am i hearing this right?.....You can name names and addresses but you won't go to the police????......If you want your community back then you need to stand up for your community. Stop giving the dealers and runners free license. Charlie1501
  • Score: 5

9:26pm Mon 26 May 14

NCC Watch says...

The survey we asked Pill residents to complete .....as promised open and transparent xx.Well done to all 62 respondents for taking part .
Results link: https://www.surveymo
nkey.com/results/SM-
GPHNMJ3/
The survey we asked Pill residents to complete .....as promised open and transparent xx.Well done to all 62 respondents for taking part . Results link: https://www.surveymo nkey.com/results/SM- GPHNMJ3/ NCC Watch
  • Score: 1

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