ARGUS COMMENT: Politicians ignore the non-voters at their peril

ARGUS COMMENT: Politicians ignore the non-voters at their peril

ARGUS COMMENT: Politicians ignore the non-voters at their peril

First published in News
Last updated
South Wales Argus: NEW EDITOR: Kevin Ward by

THERE were no real winners in last week's Euro elections.

Yes, UKIP came top of the polls - the first time a non-mainstream party has done so in a national election for a century.

Yes, Labour did better than last time nationally and held on to its top spot in Wales.

But there should be no celebrations given the low turnout at the polls.

More than 65 per cent of the electorate decided not to vote last Thursday.

If there was a winner at the polls, then it was apathy.

Politicians ignore this lack of connection between them and voters at their peril.

And yet hardly any leading figure from the mainstream parties has mentioned turnout during the post-election analysis.

Instead, all the talk has been about protest votes and how they should adapt to win back those who have turned to UKIP.

It is entirely the wrong strategy.

Messrs Cameron, Miliband and Clegg should not be concerning themselves with chasing the UKIP vote at next year's general election.

They should be chasing the non-voters.

The majority of the electorate did not vote last week.

Connect with them and there are millions of votes - and a popular mandate that no party can claim currently - to be won.

Surely that is the prize our out-of-touch leaders should be chasing?

Comments (25)

Please log in to enable comment sorting

5:58pm Mon 26 May 14

Bobevans says...

Clearly there was a real winner UKIP
Clearly there was a real winner UKIP Bobevans
  • Score: 2

6:02pm Mon 26 May 14

KarloMarko says...

You are suggesting that career politicians of all parties should engage and represent the needs of their potential electorate? This is 2014 and to paraphrase New Labour, "We no longer do politics like that"

Politicians would in the words of Brecht "rather elect a new people". We are to be re-shaped to fit the demands of the market, its agents and its drivers. Objects and not subjects.

The Labour Party threw the working class under the bus years ago.
You are suggesting that career politicians of all parties should engage and represent the needs of their potential electorate? This is 2014 and to paraphrase New Labour, "We no longer do politics like that" Politicians would in the words of Brecht "rather elect a new people". We are to be re-shaped to fit the demands of the market, its agents and its drivers. Objects and not subjects. The Labour Party threw the working class under the bus years ago. KarloMarko
  • Score: 9

6:17pm Mon 26 May 14

mocyoung says...

Simple numbers: 9 in 10 people didn't vote for UKIP.
Simple numbers: 9 in 10 people didn't vote for UKIP. mocyoung
  • Score: -2

6:25pm Mon 26 May 14

landyman3030 says...

So they need to seriously re-think policy to make the 65% listen and come to the poll. I don't see as how they have connected with the 35% that turned out. It was more an indignant vote than one of supporting current policy.
If you make the vote compulsory with fines imposed if you don't, I read that parties in Australia draw lots for the top spot because that is where people just throw their mark. That is not democracy or a true vote. That is apathetic voting where we have apathetic non voting. Which is worse?
We as the public deserve full factual information telling us EXACTLY how much we give the EU and how much we receive in subsidy. Wales gets 4 billion so I've read. UK farmers get £250 million pounds a year.
Can we afford to go cold turkey and do without these subsidies?
Our farmers prices are governed by supermarkets dictates and not natural market forces. If the farmers lose the subsidies and they go through, we end up ever more reliant on imported food.
Would you cut off supply to a druggie and expect a smooth transition to clean living? No, you would wean them off with support until they are able to go it alone.
Everybody needs to be very aware of where this could go in under a year.
Politicians beware......you've **** off the majority of the voting public.
So they need to seriously re-think policy to make the 65% listen and come to the poll. I don't see as how they have connected with the 35% that turned out. It was more an indignant vote than one of supporting current policy. If you make the vote compulsory with fines imposed if you don't, I read that parties in Australia draw lots for the top spot because that is where people just throw their mark. That is not democracy or a true vote. That is apathetic voting where we have apathetic non voting. Which is worse? We as the public deserve full factual information telling us EXACTLY how much we give the EU and how much we receive in subsidy. Wales gets 4 billion so I've read. UK farmers get £250 million pounds a year. Can we afford to go cold turkey and do without these subsidies? Our farmers prices are governed by supermarkets dictates and not natural market forces. If the farmers lose the subsidies and they go through, we end up ever more reliant on imported food. Would you cut off supply to a druggie and expect a smooth transition to clean living? No, you would wean them off with support until they are able to go it alone. Everybody needs to be very aware of where this could go in under a year. Politicians beware......you've **** off the majority of the voting public. landyman3030
  • Score: 4

6:57pm Mon 26 May 14

Crossbenchtory says...

landyman3030 wrote:
So they need to seriously re-think policy to make the 65% listen and come to the poll. I don't see as how they have connected with the 35% that turned out. It was more an indignant vote than one of supporting current policy.
If you make the vote compulsory with fines imposed if you don't, I read that parties in Australia draw lots for the top spot because that is where people just throw their mark. That is not democracy or a true vote. That is apathetic voting where we have apathetic non voting. Which is worse?
We as the public deserve full factual information telling us EXACTLY how much we give the EU and how much we receive in subsidy. Wales gets 4 billion so I've read. UK farmers get £250 million pounds a year.
Can we afford to go cold turkey and do without these subsidies?
Our farmers prices are governed by supermarkets dictates and not natural market forces. If the farmers lose the subsidies and they go through, we end up ever more reliant on imported food.
Would you cut off supply to a druggie and expect a smooth transition to clean living? No, you would wean them off with support until they are able to go it alone.
Everybody needs to be very aware of where this could go in under a year.
Politicians beware......you've **** off the majority of the voting public.
Can you please inform me as to where these EU subsidies come from? Does the EU just print it and give it out?
[quote][p][bold]landyman3030[/bold] wrote: So they need to seriously re-think policy to make the 65% listen and come to the poll. I don't see as how they have connected with the 35% that turned out. It was more an indignant vote than one of supporting current policy. If you make the vote compulsory with fines imposed if you don't, I read that parties in Australia draw lots for the top spot because that is where people just throw their mark. That is not democracy or a true vote. That is apathetic voting where we have apathetic non voting. Which is worse? We as the public deserve full factual information telling us EXACTLY how much we give the EU and how much we receive in subsidy. Wales gets 4 billion so I've read. UK farmers get £250 million pounds a year. Can we afford to go cold turkey and do without these subsidies? Our farmers prices are governed by supermarkets dictates and not natural market forces. If the farmers lose the subsidies and they go through, we end up ever more reliant on imported food. Would you cut off supply to a druggie and expect a smooth transition to clean living? No, you would wean them off with support until they are able to go it alone. Everybody needs to be very aware of where this could go in under a year. Politicians beware......you've **** off the majority of the voting public.[/p][/quote]Can you please inform me as to where these EU subsidies come from? Does the EU just print it and give it out? Crossbenchtory
  • Score: 3

8:53pm Mon 26 May 14

throwy1 says...

Kevin et al.
So only 30% or so voted in this area. You claim apathy. I don't did anyone prevent them from voting? No. There are many areas of the World where such an opportunity doesn't exist in my view the Law on voting must be changed and all over 18 who may vote be compelled to do so. If they don't fine them a minimum of £1000.00, along with this introduce another box at the bottom of the Ballot Paper entitled "None of the Above"
Now as far as I am concerned I wish a few more had voted UKIP some not all of their Policies I agree with.
Kevin et al. So only 30% or so voted in this area. You claim apathy. I don't did anyone prevent them from voting? No. There are many areas of the World where such an opportunity doesn't exist in my view the Law on voting must be changed and all over 18 who may vote be compelled to do so. If they don't fine them a minimum of £1000.00, along with this introduce another box at the bottom of the Ballot Paper entitled "None of the Above" Now as far as I am concerned I wish a few more had voted UKIP some not all of their Policies I agree with. throwy1
  • Score: 1

9:13pm Mon 26 May 14

Crossbenchtory says...

throwy1 wrote:
Kevin et al.
So only 30% or so voted in this area. You claim apathy. I don't did anyone prevent them from voting? No. There are many areas of the World where such an opportunity doesn't exist in my view the Law on voting must be changed and all over 18 who may vote be compelled to do so. If they don't fine them a minimum of £1000.00, along with this introduce another box at the bottom of the Ballot Paper entitled "None of the Above"
Now as far as I am concerned I wish a few more had voted UKIP some not all of their Policies I agree with.
Whilst i agree with you that something radical needs to be done to increase voter turnout I can't agree with your views on compulsion when it comes to voting as, in my option, government interferes far too much in our lives already.

Might I suggest that some other form of sanction such as if you don't vote in a particular election then you give up the right to vote for an entire electoral cycle. For example, those who failed in their duty to vote last week would not be allowed to vote until the 2020 General Election. This could be combined with your idea of a "None of the above" box to avoid forcing people to cast a vote for someone they don't want to vote for.

Just an idea for discussion.
[quote][p][bold]throwy1[/bold] wrote: Kevin et al. So only 30% or so voted in this area. You claim apathy. I don't did anyone prevent them from voting? No. There are many areas of the World where such an opportunity doesn't exist in my view the Law on voting must be changed and all over 18 who may vote be compelled to do so. If they don't fine them a minimum of £1000.00, along with this introduce another box at the bottom of the Ballot Paper entitled "None of the Above" Now as far as I am concerned I wish a few more had voted UKIP some not all of their Policies I agree with.[/p][/quote]Whilst i agree with you that something radical needs to be done to increase voter turnout I can't agree with your views on compulsion when it comes to voting as, in my option, government interferes far too much in our lives already. Might I suggest that some other form of sanction such as if you don't vote in a particular election then you give up the right to vote for an entire electoral cycle. For example, those who failed in their duty to vote last week would not be allowed to vote until the 2020 General Election. This could be combined with your idea of a "None of the above" box to avoid forcing people to cast a vote for someone they don't want to vote for. Just an idea for discussion. Crossbenchtory
  • Score: 3

9:36pm Mon 26 May 14

landyman3030 says...

Crossbenchtory wrote:
landyman3030 wrote:
So they need to seriously re-think policy to make the 65% listen and come to the poll. I don't see as how they have connected with the 35% that turned out. It was more an indignant vote than one of supporting current policy.
If you make the vote compulsory with fines imposed if you don't, I read that parties in Australia draw lots for the top spot because that is where people just throw their mark. That is not democracy or a true vote. That is apathetic voting where we have apathetic non voting. Which is worse?
We as the public deserve full factual information telling us EXACTLY how much we give the EU and how much we receive in subsidy. Wales gets 4 billion so I've read. UK farmers get £250 million pounds a year.
Can we afford to go cold turkey and do without these subsidies?
Our farmers prices are governed by supermarkets dictates and not natural market forces. If the farmers lose the subsidies and they go through, we end up ever more reliant on imported food.
Would you cut off supply to a druggie and expect a smooth transition to clean living? No, you would wean them off with support until they are able to go it alone.
Everybody needs to be very aware of where this could go in under a year.
Politicians beware......you've **** off the majority of the voting public.
Can you please inform me as to where these EU subsidies come from? Does the EU just print it and give it out?
You're asking the wrong one here. This is what I mean. So much is reported in bytes that we don't understand how the system works and how much we benefit by compared to what it costs. It's all fragments of the story trotted out when it suits the speaker.
Both Tory and Labour have said in the last couple of days that there are rules in place to stop immigrants claiming benefits on entry to this country without getting work and that there are safeguards in place to ensure that immigrants have to pay before they get out.
So that is why you see Eastern European immigrants selling Big Issue and washing cars. Once you are self employed you immediately qualify for housing benefit, working families tax credit and so on and so on. It's all loopholes and smoke and mirrors.
The guy who started Big Issue says he hates the way his paper is used but it is not illegal. This is systematic abuse by gangs organised throughout the country. Big Issue sellers buy the mag for a quid and sell it for £2.
Gangs go to the supplier and buy 1000 magazines. They then give them to the immigrant women to sell. The gangs double their money and have no payout for wages because the immigrants do it for free as their payment is the benefits they can then claim legitimately.
The EU stated today that they only provide the framework for immigration. It is up to the countries government to police and implement the regulations.
So is our Government doing it's best for its population?
[quote][p][bold]Crossbenchtory[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]landyman3030[/bold] wrote: So they need to seriously re-think policy to make the 65% listen and come to the poll. I don't see as how they have connected with the 35% that turned out. It was more an indignant vote than one of supporting current policy. If you make the vote compulsory with fines imposed if you don't, I read that parties in Australia draw lots for the top spot because that is where people just throw their mark. That is not democracy or a true vote. That is apathetic voting where we have apathetic non voting. Which is worse? We as the public deserve full factual information telling us EXACTLY how much we give the EU and how much we receive in subsidy. Wales gets 4 billion so I've read. UK farmers get £250 million pounds a year. Can we afford to go cold turkey and do without these subsidies? Our farmers prices are governed by supermarkets dictates and not natural market forces. If the farmers lose the subsidies and they go through, we end up ever more reliant on imported food. Would you cut off supply to a druggie and expect a smooth transition to clean living? No, you would wean them off with support until they are able to go it alone. Everybody needs to be very aware of where this could go in under a year. Politicians beware......you've **** off the majority of the voting public.[/p][/quote]Can you please inform me as to where these EU subsidies come from? Does the EU just print it and give it out?[/p][/quote]You're asking the wrong one here. This is what I mean. So much is reported in bytes that we don't understand how the system works and how much we benefit by compared to what it costs. It's all fragments of the story trotted out when it suits the speaker. Both Tory and Labour have said in the last couple of days that there are rules in place to stop immigrants claiming benefits on entry to this country without getting work and that there are safeguards in place to ensure that immigrants have to pay before they get out. So that is why you see Eastern European immigrants selling Big Issue and washing cars. Once you are self employed you immediately qualify for housing benefit, working families tax credit and so on and so on. It's all loopholes and smoke and mirrors. The guy who started Big Issue says he hates the way his paper is used but it is not illegal. This is systematic abuse by gangs organised throughout the country. Big Issue sellers buy the mag for a quid and sell it for £2. Gangs go to the supplier and buy 1000 magazines. They then give them to the immigrant women to sell. The gangs double their money and have no payout for wages because the immigrants do it for free as their payment is the benefits they can then claim legitimately. The EU stated today that they only provide the framework for immigration. It is up to the countries government to police and implement the regulations. So is our Government doing it's best for its population? landyman3030
  • Score: 4

10:10pm Mon 26 May 14

KarloMarko says...

I used to work for the European Commission...Oh put your bricks down!...and the thing that wound me up was the number of times national governments and parties - AND esp you, UK - would say "Brussels says we must do this" when they were the very people that had pushed the line in the first place. A load of stuff around 1992 and the Single Market was like this.

"Europe" is a very good dumping ground for national decisions they would rather not admit to you. End of.

Trust no-one.
I used to work for the European Commission...Oh put your bricks down!...and the thing that wound me up was the number of times national governments and parties - AND esp you, UK - would say "Brussels says we must do this" when they were the very people that had pushed the line in the first place. A load of stuff around 1992 and the Single Market was like this. "Europe" is a very good dumping ground for national decisions they would rather not admit to you. End of. Trust no-one. KarloMarko
  • Score: 1

11:13pm Mon 26 May 14

Katie Re-Registered says...

First thing the mainstream politicians should do is get some courage and revolt against the power of the unelected minority who really run this country - i.e. the corporate and media junta. Ed Miliband is the only one of them so far who has dared to defy them - albeit briefly. It has to be said he has some guts. While they're at it they should ditch the heterosexist, gender normativity that they seem to have copied from the Americans - you know, all that needless I'm a married man with children First Lady shtick.
First thing the mainstream politicians should do is get some courage and revolt against the power of the unelected minority who really run this country - i.e. the corporate and media junta. Ed Miliband is the only one of them so far who has dared to defy them - albeit briefly. It has to be said he has some guts. While they're at it they should ditch the heterosexist, gender normativity that they seem to have copied from the Americans - you know, all that needless I'm a married man with children First Lady shtick. Katie Re-Registered
  • Score: -4

9:14am Tue 27 May 14

Mr Angry says...

I didn't vote, and I'm proud of it. The Poll was so low no party can claim any success.

All you idiots advocating compulsary voting, penalties etc quite frankly dont know what you are talking about, and who the hell do you think you are to tell me what to do.

Labour didnt win, neither did UKIP, we the non voters won ......64% an overwhelming victory

I wont be voting next year as well.

Now tell me, what are you all going to do about it ?
I didn't vote, and I'm proud of it. The Poll was so low no party can claim any success. All you idiots advocating compulsary voting, penalties etc quite frankly dont know what you are talking about, and who the hell do you think you are to tell me what to do. Labour didnt win, neither did UKIP, we the non voters won ......64% an overwhelming victory I wont be voting next year as well. Now tell me, what are you all going to do about it ? Mr Angry
  • Score: -1

9:28am Tue 27 May 14

KarloMarko says...

Let the tyres down on your tricycle? No watching Shaun the Sheep for a month?
Let the tyres down on your tricycle? No watching Shaun the Sheep for a month? KarloMarko
  • Score: 0

9:34am Tue 27 May 14

Mr Angry says...

KarloMarko wrote:
Let the tyres down on your tricycle? No watching Shaun the Sheep for a month?
Pathetic, if you cant come up with better than that , why bother posting?

Respond to the point made , why should I vote ? All politicans are useless ?
[quote][p][bold]KarloMarko[/bold] wrote: Let the tyres down on your tricycle? No watching Shaun the Sheep for a month?[/p][/quote]Pathetic, if you cant come up with better than that , why bother posting? Respond to the point made , why should I vote ? All politicans are useless ? Mr Angry
  • Score: -3

9:58am Tue 27 May 14

KarloMarko says...

"ALL politicians are useless?"

ALL...over the centuries?

Well, you have obviously given this a lot of thought...when is the book coming out?

You could say that living in civil society implies civic responsibilities. Even to the extent of writing "none of the above" on the ballot or an angry "@!+& you all".

At least it would get you out of bed in the morning.
"ALL politicians are useless?" ALL...over the centuries? Well, you have obviously given this a lot of thought...when is the book coming out? You could say that living in civil society implies civic responsibilities. Even to the extent of writing "none of the above" on the ballot or an angry "@!+& you all". At least it would get you out of bed in the morning. KarloMarko
  • Score: 1

10:00am Tue 27 May 14

Bobevans says...

What many may not be aware of is in November even more powers are being transferred to the EU I suspect the politicians will deny this as technically we just loose the right to veto legislation but that in my view is a transfer of powers as we can no longer block them. The powers being transferred are listed below

"On the 1st November 2014 the right of Parliament to legislate over us in 43 areas, the important ones, will be removed and be made subject to approval. They call it QMV, Qualified Majority Voting.

Each member State will lose it right of Veto over these areas, so Cameron’s idea of negotiation to recover any areas goes out the window at the same time.

The following areas of competence will switch from requiring unanimous approval of all member states to qualified majority voting only:

Initiatives of the High Representative for Foreign Affairs – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Administrative co-operation – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Asylum – Nice: QMV; Lisbon: QMV
Border controls – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Citizens’ initiative regulations – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Civil protection – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Committee of the Regions – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Common defence policy – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Crime prevention incentives – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Criminal judicial co-operation – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Criminal law – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Culture – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Diplomatic & Consular protection – Nice: Unanimity Lisbon: QMV
Economic & Social Committee – Nice: QMV Lisbon: QMV
Emergency international aid – Nice: Unanimity Lisbon: QMV
Energy – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
EU budget – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Eurojust – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
European Central Bank – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
European Court of Justice – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Europol – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Eurozone external representation – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Foreign Affairs High Representative election – Lisbon: QMV
Freedom of movement for workers – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Freedom to establish a business – Nice: Unanimity Lisbon QMV
Freedom, security, justice, co-operation & evaluation – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Funding the Common Foreign & Security Policy – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
General economic interest services – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Humanitarian aid – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Immigration – Nice: QMV; Lisbon: QMV
Intellectual property – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Organisation of the Council of the EU – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Police co-operation – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
President of the European Council election – Lisbon: QMV
Response to natural disasters & terrorism – Lisbon: QMV
Rules concerning the Armaments Agency – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Self-employment access rights – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Social Security Unanimity – Nice: QMV; Lisbon: QMV
Space – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Sport – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Structural & Cohension Funds – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Tourism – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Transport – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Withdrawal of a member state – Lisbon: QMV
What many may not be aware of is in November even more powers are being transferred to the EU I suspect the politicians will deny this as technically we just loose the right to veto legislation but that in my view is a transfer of powers as we can no longer block them. The powers being transferred are listed below "On the 1st November 2014 the right of Parliament to legislate over us in 43 areas, the important ones, will be removed and be made subject to approval. They call it QMV, Qualified Majority Voting. Each member State will lose it right of Veto over these areas, so Cameron’s idea of negotiation to recover any areas goes out the window at the same time. The following areas of competence will switch from requiring unanimous approval of all member states to qualified majority voting only: Initiatives of the High Representative for Foreign Affairs – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Administrative co-operation – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Asylum – Nice: QMV; Lisbon: QMV Border controls – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Citizens’ initiative regulations – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Civil protection – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Committee of the Regions – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Common defence policy – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Crime prevention incentives – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Criminal judicial co-operation – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Criminal law – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Culture – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Diplomatic & Consular protection – Nice: Unanimity Lisbon: QMV Economic & Social Committee – Nice: QMV Lisbon: QMV Emergency international aid – Nice: Unanimity Lisbon: QMV Energy – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV EU budget – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Eurojust – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV European Central Bank – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV European Court of Justice – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Europol – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Eurozone external representation – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Foreign Affairs High Representative election – Lisbon: QMV Freedom of movement for workers – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Freedom to establish a business – Nice: Unanimity Lisbon QMV Freedom, security, justice, co-operation & evaluation – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Funding the Common Foreign & Security Policy – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV General economic interest services – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Humanitarian aid – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Immigration – Nice: QMV; Lisbon: QMV Intellectual property – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Organisation of the Council of the EU – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Police co-operation – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV President of the European Council election – Lisbon: QMV Response to natural disasters & terrorism – Lisbon: QMV Rules concerning the Armaments Agency – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Self-employment access rights – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Social Security Unanimity – Nice: QMV; Lisbon: QMV Space – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Sport – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Structural & Cohension Funds – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Tourism – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Transport – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Withdrawal of a member state – Lisbon: QMV Bobevans
  • Score: 2

10:27am Tue 27 May 14

Crossbenchtory says...

Bobevans

Of course, this will NOT trigger a referendum under the LibCon's much vaunted "New Powers Act" as the government will interpret these powers as having been transferred under pre existing treaties (Nice & Lisbon) as thus not a "new" transfer.

Just an example of the weasel words eminating from the party pretending to be Tory's. I didn't leave the Tory party, the Tory party left be and many like me who now vote UKIP.
Bobevans Of course, this will NOT trigger a referendum under the LibCon's much vaunted "New Powers Act" as the government will interpret these powers as having been transferred under pre existing treaties (Nice & Lisbon) as thus not a "new" transfer. Just an example of the weasel words eminating from the party pretending to be Tory's. I didn't leave the Tory party, the Tory party left be and many like me who now vote UKIP. Crossbenchtory
  • Score: 2

10:29am Tue 27 May 14

Crossbenchtory says...

Mr Angry

Me
Mr Angry Me Crossbenchtory
  • Score: 1

10:30am Tue 27 May 14

Mr Angry says...

KarloMarko wrote:
"ALL politicians are useless?" ALL...over the centuries? Well, you have obviously given this a lot of thought...when is the book coming out? You could say that living in civil society implies civic responsibilities. Even to the extent of writing "none of the above" on the ballot or an angry "@!+& you all". At least it would get you out of bed in the morning.
Wrong , I get out of bed every weekday morning at 6.00 am to go to work.

Thats one preconcetion gone
[quote][p][bold]KarloMarko[/bold] wrote: "ALL politicians are useless?" ALL...over the centuries? Well, you have obviously given this a lot of thought...when is the book coming out? You could say that living in civil society implies civic responsibilities. Even to the extent of writing "none of the above" on the ballot or an angry "@!+& you all". At least it would get you out of bed in the morning.[/p][/quote]Wrong , I get out of bed every weekday morning at 6.00 am to go to work. Thats one preconcetion gone Mr Angry
  • Score: -1

10:42am Tue 27 May 14

Mr Angry says...

Crossbenchtory wrote:
Mr Angry Me
then get a life
[quote][p][bold]Crossbenchtory[/bold] wrote: Mr Angry Me[/p][/quote]then get a life Mr Angry
  • Score: -2

11:03am Tue 27 May 14

KarloMarko says...

Fair enuff Mr A!

Your response to the crazed green ink UKIPERS made me laugh on the bus! Keep on abstaining.
Fair enuff Mr A! Your response to the crazed green ink UKIPERS made me laugh on the bus! Keep on abstaining. KarloMarko
  • Score: 0

1:58pm Tue 27 May 14

varteg1 says...

Mr Angry wrote:
I didn't vote, and I'm proud of it. The Poll was so low no party can claim any success.

All you idiots advocating compulsary voting, penalties etc quite frankly dont know what you are talking about, and who the hell do you think you are to tell me what to do.

Labour didnt win, neither did UKIP, we the non voters won ......64% an overwhelming victory

I wont be voting next year as well.

Now tell me, what are you all going to do about it ?
I will tell you who the hell I am to tell you what to do....


We live in a social communal, a situation that has taken a couple of centuries at least to evolve.

Many have paid sever penalties for demanding the right for all to engage in the method of decision making we now individually contribute to, just for prats like you to gainsay all those whose efforts have caused our society to be where it is in communal responsibility.

The ONLY excuse for not engaging in the electoral process should be mental incapacity, lazyitis may I suppose, be classed as a form of such an infliction, but so far one does not get sectioned for being mentally lazy....so far that it. Had it been the case, you, along with all others who refuse to do your civic duty would have been sectioned.

You say no one will tell you what to do, by that I suppose you include being told not to steal, break the speed limits, commit murder, rape, child abuse etc etc.

All of which laws being enacted on your behalf by legislators, of one sort or another, and in the main in today's world elected to act legislation on your behalf.
These legisaltors make laws which you are compelled to abide by and obey, so why differentiate between these existing laws and a new one to compel you to obey just another.

Bone idle is your stance, nothing to do with your freedom of choice, that will remain, in your capability to spoil your ballot paper. Even a spoiled paper can be 'counted' but the perceived wisdom claims that under compulsion you WILL make a mark favouring at least one of the options presented. So get off your rump, and if nothing else, apply for a postal vote. Post free, all it takes is the very tiny effort to attend a post box to deposit your voting papers.

As for penalty, I would make it comparable to a fine for exceeding the speed limit by doing twice the limit. Plus if you still fail to vote, I'd make it a 1000 quid. and maybe six months in nick.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: I didn't vote, and I'm proud of it. The Poll was so low no party can claim any success. All you idiots advocating compulsary voting, penalties etc quite frankly dont know what you are talking about, and who the hell do you think you are to tell me what to do. Labour didnt win, neither did UKIP, we the non voters won ......64% an overwhelming victory I wont be voting next year as well. Now tell me, what are you all going to do about it ?[/p][/quote]I will tell you who the hell I am to tell you what to do.... We live in a social communal, a situation that has taken a couple of centuries at least to evolve. Many have paid sever penalties for demanding the right for all to engage in the method of decision making we now individually contribute to, just for prats like you to gainsay all those whose efforts have caused our society to be where it is in communal responsibility. The ONLY excuse for not engaging in the electoral process should be mental incapacity, lazyitis may I suppose, be classed as a form of such an infliction, but so far one does not get sectioned for being mentally lazy....so far that it. Had it been the case, you, along with all others who refuse to do your civic duty would have been sectioned. You say no one will tell you what to do, by that I suppose you include being told not to steal, break the speed limits, commit murder, rape, child abuse etc etc. All of which laws being enacted on your behalf by legislators, of one sort or another, and in the main in today's world elected to act legislation on your behalf. These legisaltors make laws which you are compelled to abide by and obey, so why differentiate between these existing laws and a new one to compel you to obey just another. Bone idle is your stance, nothing to do with your freedom of choice, that will remain, in your capability to spoil your ballot paper. Even a spoiled paper can be 'counted' but the perceived wisdom claims that under compulsion you WILL make a mark favouring at least one of the options presented. So get off your rump, and if nothing else, apply for a postal vote. Post free, all it takes is the very tiny effort to attend a post box to deposit your voting papers. As for penalty, I would make it comparable to a fine for exceeding the speed limit by doing twice the limit. Plus if you still fail to vote, I'd make it a 1000 quid. and maybe six months in nick. varteg1
  • Score: -1

2:12pm Tue 27 May 14

Mr Angry says...

What rubbish, there is no one - I repeat no one capable of running a welk store in politics, you only have to look at the mess we are in. I will not waste my time voting for incompetent prople.

Last time I looked this was a free country with rights ro vote if you are so iclined and the right to abstain which I excersise on a regular basis.
What rubbish, there is no one - I repeat no one capable of running a welk store in politics, you only have to look at the mess we are in. I will not waste my time voting for incompetent prople. Last time I looked this was a free country with rights ro vote if you are so iclined and the right to abstain which I excersise on a regular basis. Mr Angry
  • Score: 0

3:54pm Tue 27 May 14

varteg1 says...

Mr Angry wrote:
What rubbish, there is no one - I repeat no one capable of running a welk store in politics, you only have to look at the mess we are in. I will not waste my time voting for incompetent prople.

Last time I looked this was a free country with rights ro vote if you are so iclined and the right to abstain which I excersise on a regular basis.
That doesn't alter the case for compulsory voting, it merely demonstrates your incapability to join the society in which you are quite happy to secure benefit from but to which you refuse to contribute, you show personal selfishness.

You may pay tax etc., but you come over as the same as a Muslim who refuses to integrate, but who expects to get all that is available.


The ONLY way that the political system or how it is operated can be made to work to the level of your personal aspiration is to engage with it, and baldly stating you refuse to so engage tells the political elite they are OK in the way it is operating.

More fool you in your self centred outlook.

That said, maybe it will fall onto you to get involved with your agenda to put things right, why not, as you seem so smart in your current,
So go ahead, prove to us all how capable you are of running the whelk stall. assessment of the status as it stands.
Or are you yourself just a fallible, if not even incapable?
[quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: What rubbish, there is no one - I repeat no one capable of running a welk store in politics, you only have to look at the mess we are in. I will not waste my time voting for incompetent prople. Last time I looked this was a free country with rights ro vote if you are so iclined and the right to abstain which I excersise on a regular basis.[/p][/quote]That doesn't alter the case for compulsory voting, it merely demonstrates your incapability to join the society in which you are quite happy to secure benefit from but to which you refuse to contribute, you show personal selfishness. You may pay tax etc., but you come over as the same as a Muslim who refuses to integrate, but who expects to get all that is available. The ONLY way that the political system or how it is operated can be made to work to the level of your personal aspiration is to engage with it, and baldly stating you refuse to so engage tells the political elite they are OK in the way it is operating. More fool you in your self centred outlook. That said, maybe it will fall onto you to get involved with your agenda to put things right, why not, as you seem so smart in your current, So go ahead, prove to us all how capable you are of running the whelk stall. assessment of the status as it stands. Or are you yourself just a fallible, if not even incapable? varteg1
  • Score: -1

4:03pm Tue 27 May 14

varteg1 says...

Mr Angry wrote:
What rubbish, there is no one - I repeat no one capable of running a welk store in politics, you only have to look at the mess we are in. I will not waste my time voting for incompetent prople.

Last time I looked this was a free country with rights ro vote if you are so iclined and the right to abstain which I excersise on a regular basis.
PS...at one time it was OK to rape your wife, beat your children, even in many instances take the law into your own hands, Society, via parliament, which is composed of people you refuse tom recognise as competent made laws to eradicate such bad personal behaviour, by the same token I see nothing wrong with new law to compel those enfranchised to cast their vote. and like child beating, or wife raping, (as examples for the argument), failing to do so, invoking a penalty commensurate with the severity of the offence.

What was once your 'right' is no longer so, or do you not appreciate that legislation can be made to suit all, with the exception of yourself of course, according to your argument?.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: What rubbish, there is no one - I repeat no one capable of running a welk store in politics, you only have to look at the mess we are in. I will not waste my time voting for incompetent prople. Last time I looked this was a free country with rights ro vote if you are so iclined and the right to abstain which I excersise on a regular basis.[/p][/quote]PS...at one time it was OK to rape your wife, beat your children, even in many instances take the law into your own hands, Society, via parliament, which is composed of people you refuse tom recognise as competent made laws to eradicate such bad personal behaviour, by the same token I see nothing wrong with new law to compel those enfranchised to cast their vote. and like child beating, or wife raping, (as examples for the argument), failing to do so, invoking a penalty commensurate with the severity of the offence. What was once your 'right' is no longer so, or do you not appreciate that legislation can be made to suit all, with the exception of yourself of course, according to your argument?. varteg1
  • Score: -3

8:47am Wed 28 May 14

Mr Angry says...

I think lableing me a sex offender as I dont vote ( remember non voters are in the majority) is a bit strong.

As for not contributing - I work and pay my taxes.

Look that the next election, the options for Prime Minister are Cameron and Milliband - to tell me I have to vote fro one of those two is quite franlkly and insult to my intelligence. A vote for any other party would be wasted as they cannot form a government. Vote for one of those two - give me a break !
I think lableing me a sex offender as I dont vote ( remember non voters are in the majority) is a bit strong. As for not contributing - I work and pay my taxes. Look that the next election, the options for Prime Minister are Cameron and Milliband - to tell me I have to vote fro one of those two is quite franlkly and insult to my intelligence. A vote for any other party would be wasted as they cannot form a government. Vote for one of those two - give me a break ! Mr Angry
  • Score: -1

Comments are closed on this article.

Send us your news, pictures and videos

Most read stories

Local Info

Enter your postcode, town or place name

About cookies

We want you to enjoy your visit to our website. That's why we use cookies to enhance your experience. By staying on our website you agree to our use of cookies. Find out more about the cookies we use.

I agree