UPDATE: Traffic survey causes more roads chaos

A roadside Census is being carried out on Cardiff Road near Maesglas as motorists approach Newport. Pictured is the Census being conducted by analysts on the roadside. (6850326)

A roadside Census is being carried out on Cardiff Road near Maesglas as motorists approach Newport. Pictured is the Census area sign. (6850329)

A roadside Census is being carried out on Cardiff Road near Maesglas as motorists approach Newport. Pictured is the Census area with a traffic policeman directing traffic. (6850337)

A roadside Census is being carried out on Cardiff Road near Maesglas as motorists approach Newport. Pictured is the Census area with analysts recording information from the drivers. (6850339)

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UPDATE: 12.27pm

WELSH Government traffic surveys brought parts of Newport to a standstill again this morning for the third day running.

Surveys were carried out along Caerleon Road, Corporation Road and Chepstow Road, and brought traffic to a standstill around the city’s cenotaph, according to Newport Bus’ operations manager Gareth Jones. He said: “It has disrupted services.”

The Welsh Government has said they will not publish survey dates in the future because they could change people’s travel plans and skew results.

Further down Chepstow Road, the manager of the Ty Hafan shop in Maindee, Mandy Porter, said she had not noticed anything unusual.

She said: “It’s pretty quiet for Chepstow Road. I didn’t notice anything. I think it has been flowing quite freely.”

UPDATE: 9.20am

PARTS of Newport have been brought to a standstill over the past couple of days as a traffic survey has resulted in traffic chaos.

Roadside interviews for a Welsh government traffic survey brought traffic to a standstill on Tuesday and Wednesday across the city, especially so during rush hour and it looks like there could be more disruptions.

The survey, which drivers were asked to free post back once completed, asked questions about the specific journey they were making at the time. Questions included where you had driven from and to and the reason for the journey. The survey aims to assess travel patterns in South-East Wales.

Drivers vented their anger online after traffic from the SDR trailed back all the way to the Coldra roundabout on Tuesday and Cardiff Road had long delays on Wednesday morning.

Writing on Facebook yesterday, Sarah Biggs said her disabled son's school transport was cancelled due to the traffic. She said: "I had to not go to work this morning just so I could take him. It's ridiculous."

Another reader left this comment on our website: "I had no idea this was happening and got stuck for 40 minutes at about 3.45pm by George Street Bridge so turned around and went back to the motorway. I was furious.

"If I was trying to get to the train station (a 15 minute journey usually) I would have missed my train. That would cost me money and could have caused huge problems with connections for deadlines, flights etc at huge expense.

"There should be warnings to give motorists the chance to choose another route."

Drivers said the lack of warning meant they had been unable to make travel arrangements to avoid the delays.

A Welsh Government statement said: "We won't be advertising the dates and locations of surveys as this could effect the results."

Commenting on the Argus website, one user known as 'Julie60h', said: "If this is ever going to happen again it must be publicised and there should be warnings."

Yesterday James Rawnsley tweeted: "Why are you bringing traffic in Newport to a standstill just so you can ask how to improve traffic flows?"

A Welsh Government spokesman said: "We appreciate the public's cooperation during these essential surveys. Travel pattern surveys are being carried out in south east Wales during May and June 2014".

"Traffic flow is being monitored and managed to minimise disruption to the travelling public.

"All survey locations have been carefully selected and developed in liaison with the police."

The traffic order, listing speed restrictions and lane closures, was made in May – printed in the legal notices section of the Argus on May 2 – and remains in force for up to 18 months. In the order, affected roads were listed as: A48 – Cleppa Park and SDR, Chepstow Road, Bassaleg Road, Corporation Road, Forge Road, Glasllwch Crescent, Malpas Road and Heidenheim Drive.

Another legal notice from Newport Council states temporary speed limits will again be in place on the A48 SDR, Forge Road, Malpas Road, Caerleon road and Heidenheim Drive from June 9 for traffic census surveys.

A Welsh Government notice printed in the Argus on May 27 scheduled further speed restrictions at a variety of locations for roadside interviews to take place.

They are: the A449 on June 8, the A449 North of the M4 junction 24 on June 9, the A40 West of Raglan roundabout on June 9, the M48 junction 2 roundabout on June 10, the M4 junction 23a roundabout westbound on June11, the M4 junction 25 roundabout on June 11 and the M4 junction 23a roundabout Eastbound on June 12.

HAVE YOU BEEN STUCK IN CENSUS GRIDLOCK? Contact our reporter nathan.briant@southwalesargus.co.uk

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9:49am Thu 5 Jun 14

KarloMarko says...

It's not a "traffic census". Its the UKIP border patrol looking for the six million cheeky Bulgarians they claim crept into Wales since Monday.

My advice is to push a fiver in their top pocket and whisper, "Great Job, Nige".
It's not a "traffic census". Its the UKIP border patrol looking for the six million cheeky Bulgarians they claim crept into Wales since Monday. My advice is to push a fiver in their top pocket and whisper, "Great Job, Nige". KarloMarko
  • Score: -20

10:45am Thu 5 Jun 14

arjwain says...

so they can just stop us now going about our own business ..rushing for parking at the hospital . trying to get home to relax and so on ..just stopped .why don't they .just stop shoppers ..you know a choice to say no thank u im busy ,,,being made to answer questions .. my god what next ..
just checking you got clean pants on sir ..
so they can just stop us now going about our own business ..rushing for parking at the hospital . trying to get home to relax and so on ..just stopped .why don't they .just stop shoppers ..you know a choice to say no thank u im busy ,,,being made to answer questions .. my god what next .. just checking you got clean pants on sir .. arjwain
  • Score: 22

11:20am Thu 5 Jun 14

ex-St. Julians boy says...

Got stopped like this a while back and the thing I found quite disconcerting was the fact that they were utilising a police presence in order to make people pull over and answer their questions. I considered that to be rather intimidating ... having a copper stood just behind him, glaring at me as a means of persuasion to answer the questions.
Got stopped like this a while back and the thing I found quite disconcerting was the fact that they were utilising a police presence in order to make people pull over and answer their questions. I considered that to be rather intimidating ... having a copper stood just behind him, glaring at me as a means of persuasion to answer the questions. ex-St. Julians boy
  • Score: 38

11:47am Thu 5 Jun 14

M Henry Morgan says...

Why not use not use number plate scanning to capture the details and link in with the DVLA to send the drivers questionnaires, which they can freepost back? Must be cheaper in not having to employ people to carry out the check or the police as minders and certainly much less disruptive. Okay so some people wouldn't send them back so you just pro-rata the stats on the basis of total numbers vs those that respond.
Why not use not use number plate scanning to capture the details and link in with the DVLA to send the drivers questionnaires, which they can freepost back? Must be cheaper in not having to employ people to carry out the check or the police as minders and certainly much less disruptive. Okay so some people wouldn't send them back so you just pro-rata the stats on the basis of total numbers vs those that respond. M Henry Morgan
  • Score: 52

12:12pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Boadacia! says...

Another example of great Welsh government planning and total chaos! All this is completely unnecessary, and reminiscent of Orwell's 1984!
Another example of great Welsh government planning and total chaos! All this is completely unnecessary, and reminiscent of Orwell's 1984! Boadacia!
  • Score: 23

12:29pm Thu 5 Jun 14

KarloMarko says...

Hear Hear! I was strip-searched by these uniformed UKIP thugs and made to sing 'There will always be an England" while they went through my Lidls shopping bags. They wanted to know why I bought Danish bacon.

Wait til Nato arrives in town...you aint seen nothing yet!
Hear Hear! I was strip-searched by these uniformed UKIP thugs and made to sing 'There will always be an England" while they went through my Lidls shopping bags. They wanted to know why I bought Danish bacon. Wait til Nato arrives in town...you aint seen nothing yet! KarloMarko
  • Score: -13

12:43pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Ultimate Worrier says...

We saw them on Cardiff Road yesterday. Fortunately, we realised you could avoid them by turning into Maesglas briefly and then back onto the main road.

Very good way to annoy thousands upon thousands of people in a very short space of time. What moron came up with this plan?
We saw them on Cardiff Road yesterday. Fortunately, we realised you could avoid them by turning into Maesglas briefly and then back onto the main road. Very good way to annoy thousands upon thousands of people in a very short space of time. What moron came up with this plan? Ultimate Worrier
  • Score: 26

12:50pm Thu 5 Jun 14

MikeO4O8 says...

You could just refuse to answer any questions and keep your window and doors locked, WHEN police come over put your window down less than an inch and simply explain you do not wish to answer any questions given to you by these people and that you want to get on your way as you have to be somewhere at a certain time (for example a job interview or meeting or wedding/funeral).

i have not been pulled over by these yet, but since i am jobless i dont use my car as much, so i have not tried anything like this yet, so no idea how they would react.
You could just refuse to answer any questions and keep your window and doors locked, WHEN police come over put your window down less than an inch and simply explain you do not wish to answer any questions given to you by these people and that you want to get on your way as you have to be somewhere at a certain time (for example a job interview or meeting or wedding/funeral). i have not been pulled over by these yet, but since i am jobless i dont use my car as much, so i have not tried anything like this yet, so no idea how they would react. MikeO4O8
  • Score: 9

12:54pm Thu 5 Jun 14

cjwales1 says...

Not sure if I am correct but surely you have the right to decline any information they require and hence decline being part of this congestion causing bureaucracy that tokk me an hour to get to work rather than the usual 20 mins ??????
Just wondering who I should send the bill to for my lost time ????
Suggestions on a postcard to

Dumbasses
Drivetime traffic
are you nuts
somewhere in Newport
Get a life !!!!!
Not sure if I am correct but surely you have the right to decline any information they require and hence decline being part of this congestion causing bureaucracy that tokk me an hour to get to work rather than the usual 20 mins ?????? Just wondering who I should send the bill to for my lost time ???? Suggestions on a postcard to Dumbasses Drivetime traffic are you nuts somewhere in Newport Get a life !!!!! cjwales1
  • Score: 11

1:01pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Katie Re-Registered says...

Although the surveys seem to be causing an inconvenience (let's remember extremely minor in the great scheme of things) for a minority of Newport road users at the moment, it will all be worth it in end as the researchers are only trying to gather information so that they can help help motorists and passengers in the long run. It can't be an easy job being stuck there in the rain often getting abuse from impatient motorists and road users so we should please give the census surveyors a break, eh? They're only trying to help - nothing sinister going on here folks, honest.
Although the surveys seem to be causing an inconvenience (let's remember extremely minor in the great scheme of things) for a minority of Newport road users at the moment, it will all be worth it in end as the researchers are only trying to gather information so that they can help help motorists and passengers in the long run. It can't be an easy job being stuck there in the rain often getting abuse from impatient motorists and road users so we should please give the census surveyors a break, eh? They're only trying to help - nothing sinister going on here folks, honest. Katie Re-Registered
  • Score: -39

1:33pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Jo_Williams says...

Everyone should just tell them to mind their own business. Surely it's not a criminal offence not to be drawn into this nonsense...? So if people refused to cooperate it would dissuade local government from setting up these censuses, and they'd have to dream up another way of wasting our money.
Everyone should just tell them to mind their own business. Surely it's not a criminal offence not to be drawn into this nonsense...? So if people refused to cooperate it would dissuade local government from setting up these censuses, and they'd have to dream up another way of wasting our money. Jo_Williams
  • Score: 22

1:38pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Nivage says...

I got stopped by them this morning whilst driving my PSV vehicle. Didn't have to fill anything in at the roadside. The guy just shoved 3 forms through my window and sent me on my way. Wouldn't have minded if but i was carrying disables passengers and Q2 on the form doesn't even list the type of vehicle i was driving as an option. Completely pointless. Sure the "highly trained officer" that pulled me in could've spotted the PSV operators disc in my window a mile away. Fools.
I got stopped by them this morning whilst driving my PSV vehicle. Didn't have to fill anything in at the roadside. The guy just shoved 3 forms through my window and sent me on my way. Wouldn't have minded if but i was carrying disables passengers and Q2 on the form doesn't even list the type of vehicle i was driving as an option. Completely pointless. Sure the "highly trained officer" that pulled me in could've spotted the PSV operators disc in my window a mile away. Fools. Nivage
  • Score: 10

1:40pm Thu 5 Jun 14

ex-St. Julians boy says...

Jo_Williams wrote:
Everyone should just tell them to mind their own business. Surely it's not a criminal offence not to be drawn into this nonsense...? So if people refused to cooperate it would dissuade local government from setting up these censuses, and they'd have to dream up another way of wasting our money.
Easy enough to say now but you'd probably feel a bit differently if you were put on the spot with a copper glowering at you in the background just a few feet away.
[quote][p][bold]Jo_Williams[/bold] wrote: Everyone should just tell them to mind their own business. Surely it's not a criminal offence not to be drawn into this nonsense...? So if people refused to cooperate it would dissuade local government from setting up these censuses, and they'd have to dream up another way of wasting our money.[/p][/quote]Easy enough to say now but you'd probably feel a bit differently if you were put on the spot with a copper glowering at you in the background just a few feet away. ex-St. Julians boy
  • Score: -2

2:02pm Thu 5 Jun 14

sooty001 says...

Got stopped on George St bridge told them I was not interested, he said I had to fill in the form he had rammed in my face I said ok, drove home and put it in the recycling bin ( freedom of choice ).
Got stopped on George St bridge told them I was not interested, he said I had to fill in the form he had rammed in my face I said ok, drove home and put it in the recycling bin ( freedom of choice ). sooty001
  • Score: 22

2:50pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Javez says...

As someone has said above, I can totally understand that this information is necessary for proper road planning and traffic management.

HOWEVER

The questionnaire was very badly designed, the timing was terrible and the lack of sbstantial notice (for example roadside signs as they do with resurfacing) was shocking. They could have got the same information with an ANPR system, linked to the DVLA and generating letters "you were recorded using such and such a road at such and such a time. Please fill out this survey with respect to that journey"

Much less aggravation, a less biased response (due to less anger), less Police involvement and cheaper running costs and a more comprehensive survey, covering a much larger number of vehicles with no additional congestion caused.

In short - the idiots who though this up know nothing about conducting surveys without bias.
As someone has said above, I can totally understand that this information is necessary for proper road planning and traffic management. HOWEVER The questionnaire was very badly designed, the timing was terrible and the lack of sbstantial notice (for example roadside signs as they do with resurfacing) was shocking. They could have got the same information with an ANPR system, linked to the DVLA and generating letters "you were recorded using such and such a road at such and such a time. Please fill out this survey with respect to that journey" Much less aggravation, a less biased response (due to less anger), less Police involvement and cheaper running costs and a more comprehensive survey, covering a much larger number of vehicles with no additional congestion caused. In short - the idiots who though this up know nothing about conducting surveys without bias. Javez
  • Score: 25

2:51pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Llanmartinangel says...

cjwales1 wrote:
Not sure if I am correct but surely you have the right to decline any information they require and hence decline being part of this congestion causing bureaucracy that tokk me an hour to get to work rather than the usual 20 mins ??????
Just wondering who I should send the bill to for my lost time ????
Suggestions on a postcard to

Dumbasses
Drivetime traffic
are you nuts
somewhere in Newport
Get a life !!!!!
Like your style. That IS the WAG address isn't it?
[quote][p][bold]cjwales1[/bold] wrote: Not sure if I am correct but surely you have the right to decline any information they require and hence decline being part of this congestion causing bureaucracy that tokk me an hour to get to work rather than the usual 20 mins ?????? Just wondering who I should send the bill to for my lost time ???? Suggestions on a postcard to Dumbasses Drivetime traffic are you nuts somewhere in Newport Get a life !!!!![/p][/quote]Like your style. That IS the WAG address isn't it? Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 9

3:23pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Dolieboy says...

So what is the point in the traffic census ? How many years has everyone known that the Brynglas tunnels are a choke point and accident blackspot, and what has been done about it ?
So what is the point in the traffic census ? How many years has everyone known that the Brynglas tunnels are a choke point and accident blackspot, and what has been done about it ? Dolieboy
  • Score: 18

3:56pm Thu 5 Jun 14

brainfreeze says...

Got stopped on Caerleon road earlier. I just replied in Welsh. The copper & the guy looked at each other bemused and waved me on.
Got stopped on Caerleon road earlier. I just replied in Welsh. The copper & the guy looked at each other bemused and waved me on. brainfreeze
  • Score: 38

4:23pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Llanmartinangel says...

brainfreeze wrote:
Got stopped on Caerleon road earlier. I just replied in Welsh. The copper & the guy looked at each other bemused and waved me on.
At last. A practical use for the language. Who'd have thought it? Mind you it'd have worked in Polish too. The statistical likelihood of them understanding you was practically zero anyway.
[quote][p][bold]brainfreeze[/bold] wrote: Got stopped on Caerleon road earlier. I just replied in Welsh. The copper & the guy looked at each other bemused and waved me on.[/p][/quote]At last. A practical use for the language. Who'd have thought it? Mind you it'd have worked in Polish too. The statistical likelihood of them understanding you was practically zero anyway. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 21

4:28pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Llanmartinangel says...

They are stopping people at the tunnels next week. Find out if the M4 needs a relief road.
They are stopping people at the tunnels next week. Find out if the M4 needs a relief road. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 18

5:00pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Magor says...

Instead of an EU referendum lets have a scrap WAG referendum.
Instead of an EU referendum lets have a scrap WAG referendum. Magor
  • Score: 20

5:13pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Bobevans says...

Total chaos and there is really no need for it there are far better ways to go about traffic surveys rather then the quill pen approach they are using. Perhaps the police wanted some overtime
Total chaos and there is really no need for it there are far better ways to go about traffic surveys rather then the quill pen approach they are using. Perhaps the police wanted some overtime Bobevans
  • Score: 14

5:16pm Thu 5 Jun 14

cjwales1 says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
cjwales1 wrote:
Not sure if I am correct but surely you have the right to decline any information they require and hence decline being part of this congestion causing bureaucracy that tokk me an hour to get to work rather than the usual 20 mins ??????
Just wondering who I should send the bill to for my lost time ????
Suggestions on a postcard to

Dumbasses
Drivetime traffic
are you nuts
somewhere in Newport
Get a life !!!!!
Like your style. That IS the WAG address isn't it?
LMA its pure nonsense to effectively close arterial routes into the 'city' centre...
we dont have to participate, so why try with police presence try to make us ????
This part of the world has turned into a joke !!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cjwales1[/bold] wrote: Not sure if I am correct but surely you have the right to decline any information they require and hence decline being part of this congestion causing bureaucracy that tokk me an hour to get to work rather than the usual 20 mins ?????? Just wondering who I should send the bill to for my lost time ???? Suggestions on a postcard to Dumbasses Drivetime traffic are you nuts somewhere in Newport Get a life !!!!![/p][/quote]Like your style. That IS the WAG address isn't it?[/p][/quote]LMA its pure nonsense to effectively close arterial routes into the 'city' centre... we dont have to participate, so why try with police presence try to make us ???? This part of the world has turned into a joke !!!!! cjwales1
  • Score: 10

5:18pm Thu 5 Jun 14

cjwales1 says...

cjwales1 wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
cjwales1 wrote:
Not sure if I am correct but surely you have the right to decline any information they require and hence decline being part of this congestion causing bureaucracy that tokk me an hour to get to work rather than the usual 20 mins ??????
Just wondering who I should send the bill to for my lost time ????
Suggestions on a postcard to

Dumbasses
Drivetime traffic
are you nuts
somewhere in Newport
Get a life !!!!!
Like your style. That IS the WAG address isn't it?
LMA its pure nonsense to effectively close arterial routes into the 'city' centre...
we dont have to participate, so why try with police presence try to make us ????
This part of the world has turned into a joke !!!!!
Oh I bet this wont happen at the Coldra when Nato arrives !!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]cjwales1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cjwales1[/bold] wrote: Not sure if I am correct but surely you have the right to decline any information they require and hence decline being part of this congestion causing bureaucracy that tokk me an hour to get to work rather than the usual 20 mins ?????? Just wondering who I should send the bill to for my lost time ???? Suggestions on a postcard to Dumbasses Drivetime traffic are you nuts somewhere in Newport Get a life !!!!![/p][/quote]Like your style. That IS the WAG address isn't it?[/p][/quote]LMA its pure nonsense to effectively close arterial routes into the 'city' centre... we dont have to participate, so why try with police presence try to make us ???? This part of the world has turned into a joke !!!!![/p][/quote]Oh I bet this wont happen at the Coldra when Nato arrives !!!!!!!! cjwales1
  • Score: 11

6:04pm Thu 5 Jun 14

KarloMarko says...

It has now been leaked that this was in fact a NATO security pre-conference exercise. All those stopped have been covertly photographed and their prints and DNA lifted directly from the forms.

NATO and GCHQ are building a massive database of those travelling around Newport. All those looking "shifty" (98%) can expect a loud knock on the door in the next week. Pack a small suitcase and an orange jump suit.
It has now been leaked that this was in fact a NATO security pre-conference exercise. All those stopped have been covertly photographed and their prints and DNA lifted directly from the forms. NATO and GCHQ are building a massive database of those travelling around Newport. All those looking "shifty" (98%) can expect a loud knock on the door in the next week. Pack a small suitcase and an orange jump suit. KarloMarko
  • Score: 7

6:32pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Llanmartinangel says...

cjwales1 wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
cjwales1 wrote:
Not sure if I am correct but surely you have the right to decline any information they require and hence decline being part of this congestion causing bureaucracy that tokk me an hour to get to work rather than the usual 20 mins ??????
Just wondering who I should send the bill to for my lost time ????
Suggestions on a postcard to

Dumbasses
Drivetime traffic
are you nuts
somewhere in Newport
Get a life !!!!!
Like your style. That IS the WAG address isn't it?
LMA its pure nonsense to effectively close arterial routes into the 'city' centre...
we dont have to participate, so why try with police presence try to make us ????
This part of the world has turned into a joke !!!!!
Errr. I was agreeing with you.
[quote][p][bold]cjwales1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cjwales1[/bold] wrote: Not sure if I am correct but surely you have the right to decline any information they require and hence decline being part of this congestion causing bureaucracy that tokk me an hour to get to work rather than the usual 20 mins ?????? Just wondering who I should send the bill to for my lost time ???? Suggestions on a postcard to Dumbasses Drivetime traffic are you nuts somewhere in Newport Get a life !!!!![/p][/quote]Like your style. That IS the WAG address isn't it?[/p][/quote]LMA its pure nonsense to effectively close arterial routes into the 'city' centre... we dont have to participate, so why try with police presence try to make us ???? This part of the world has turned into a joke !!!!![/p][/quote]Errr. I was agreeing with you. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 2

6:34pm Thu 5 Jun 14

VoiceOfDaPort says...

If I get pulled up on my motorbike I'd like to see what they do when I refuse, no where to shove forms that wouldn't be classed as assault, at least the police would be there to arrest them.
If I get pulled up on my motorbike I'd like to see what they do when I refuse, no where to shove forms that wouldn't be classed as assault, at least the police would be there to arrest them. VoiceOfDaPort
  • Score: 4

6:38pm Thu 5 Jun 14

smiffy76 says...

I wonder what would happen if you just decline to answer any questions.

Thought Monday (between Dragonfly and M4 junction 28 and top of Berryhill) it was a drugs and alcohol sweep. Should of ducked through Duffryn.
I wonder what would happen if you just decline to answer any questions. Thought Monday (between Dragonfly and M4 junction 28 and top of Berryhill) it was a drugs and alcohol sweep. Should of ducked through Duffryn. smiffy76
  • Score: 2

8:31pm Thu 5 Jun 14

cjwales1 says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
cjwales1 wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
cjwales1 wrote:
Not sure if I am correct but surely you have the right to decline any information they require and hence decline being part of this congestion causing bureaucracy that tokk me an hour to get to work rather than the usual 20 mins ??????
Just wondering who I should send the bill to for my lost time ????
Suggestions on a postcard to

Dumbasses
Drivetime traffic
are you nuts
somewhere in Newport
Get a life !!!!!
Like your style. That IS the WAG address isn't it?
LMA its pure nonsense to effectively close arterial routes into the 'city' centre...
we dont have to participate, so why try with police presence try to make us ????
This part of the world has turned into a joke !!!!!
Errr. I was agreeing with you.
LMA Sorry I know
just was continuing my rant ;-) was not aimed at you in anyway !!!!!
Ranting is Ranting and the occasional bystander gets caught in the line of fire, which is pretty much what is gonna happen when NATO arrives ....
I live 500yrds from the entrance to the Hotel in the Vale and just know that there will be none of this nonsense happening when BO arrives, so why should we have to deal with it now ???
What information are they trying to obtain ??
Is this road congested ??? Duuuuuuh look at the queues you have caused !!!!!!!!
A waste of public money and a waste of everyones time !!!!!!!!

Again apologies LMA if any offence taken ;-)
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cjwales1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cjwales1[/bold] wrote: Not sure if I am correct but surely you have the right to decline any information they require and hence decline being part of this congestion causing bureaucracy that tokk me an hour to get to work rather than the usual 20 mins ?????? Just wondering who I should send the bill to for my lost time ???? Suggestions on a postcard to Dumbasses Drivetime traffic are you nuts somewhere in Newport Get a life !!!!![/p][/quote]Like your style. That IS the WAG address isn't it?[/p][/quote]LMA its pure nonsense to effectively close arterial routes into the 'city' centre... we dont have to participate, so why try with police presence try to make us ???? This part of the world has turned into a joke !!!!![/p][/quote]Errr. I was agreeing with you.[/p][/quote]LMA Sorry I know just was continuing my rant ;-) was not aimed at you in anyway !!!!! Ranting is Ranting and the occasional bystander gets caught in the line of fire, which is pretty much what is gonna happen when NATO arrives .... I live 500yrds from the entrance to the Hotel in the Vale and just know that there will be none of this nonsense happening when BO arrives, so why should we have to deal with it now ??? What information are they trying to obtain ?? Is this road congested ??? Duuuuuuh look at the queues you have caused !!!!!!!! A waste of public money and a waste of everyones time !!!!!!!! Again apologies LMA if any offence taken ;-) cjwales1
  • Score: 2

8:40pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Dave on his Soapbox says...

Just like the bins and the proposals on fitting water meters on every property, the WAG come up with a madcap idea to solve the problem, they don’t listen to the general public or understand the issues that normal people have as we all live differently …..before implementing their wonderful policy like bus lanes, which wasted millions of pounds of our money…….

Then as Newport council wanted to do 10 years+ ago…..spend even more tax payer’s money doing a survey to understand why we’re not doing as we’ve been told we should live…..

Didn’t you realise we should all be using public transport irrespective of how awkward it makes our lives…..as it doesn’t meet some European directive on this or that….

The questionnaire handed out is very badly designed and is unlikely to give them enough information to understand why people just can’t or don’t want to use buses to go to work/shopping.

And where is the company contracted to analyse the questionnaire's - Halifax!....couldn't someone in the Stats Office done it?
Just like the bins and the proposals on fitting water meters on every property, the WAG come up with a madcap idea to solve the problem, they don’t listen to the general public or understand the issues that normal people have as we all live differently …..before implementing their wonderful policy like bus lanes, which wasted millions of pounds of our money……. Then as Newport council wanted to do 10 years+ ago…..spend even more tax payer’s money doing a survey to understand why we’re not doing as we’ve been told we should live….. Didn’t you realise we should all be using public transport irrespective of how awkward it makes our lives…..as it doesn’t meet some European directive on this or that…. The questionnaire handed out is very badly designed and is unlikely to give them enough information to understand why people just can’t or don’t want to use buses to go to work/shopping. And where is the company contracted to analyse the questionnaire's - Halifax!....couldn't someone in the Stats Office done it? Dave on his Soapbox
  • Score: 5

8:45pm Thu 5 Jun 14

irisheyes says...

Easy answer to the question of where you're going,just answer "anywhere away from S.E.Wales especially before the Nato summit causes gridlock around here "
Easy answer to the question of where you're going,just answer "anywhere away from S.E.Wales especially before the Nato summit causes gridlock around here " irisheyes
  • Score: 3

9:11pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Llanmartinangel says...

cjwales1 wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
cjwales1 wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
cjwales1 wrote:
Not sure if I am correct but surely you have the right to decline any information they require and hence decline being part of this congestion causing bureaucracy that tokk me an hour to get to work rather than the usual 20 mins ??????
Just wondering who I should send the bill to for my lost time ????
Suggestions on a postcard to

Dumbasses
Drivetime traffic
are you nuts
somewhere in Newport
Get a life !!!!!
Like your style. That IS the WAG address isn't it?
LMA its pure nonsense to effectively close arterial routes into the 'city' centre...
we dont have to participate, so why try with police presence try to make us ????
This part of the world has turned into a joke !!!!!
Errr. I was agreeing with you.
LMA Sorry I know
just was continuing my rant ;-) was not aimed at you in anyway !!!!!
Ranting is Ranting and the occasional bystander gets caught in the line of fire, which is pretty much what is gonna happen when NATO arrives ....
I live 500yrds from the entrance to the Hotel in the Vale and just know that there will be none of this nonsense happening when BO arrives, so why should we have to deal with it now ???
What information are they trying to obtain ??
Is this road congested ??? Duuuuuuh look at the queues you have caused !!!!!!!!
A waste of public money and a waste of everyones time !!!!!!!!

Again apologies LMA if any offence taken ;-)
Accepted. And rant entirely justified I might add.
[quote][p][bold]cjwales1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cjwales1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cjwales1[/bold] wrote: Not sure if I am correct but surely you have the right to decline any information they require and hence decline being part of this congestion causing bureaucracy that tokk me an hour to get to work rather than the usual 20 mins ?????? Just wondering who I should send the bill to for my lost time ???? Suggestions on a postcard to Dumbasses Drivetime traffic are you nuts somewhere in Newport Get a life !!!!![/p][/quote]Like your style. That IS the WAG address isn't it?[/p][/quote]LMA its pure nonsense to effectively close arterial routes into the 'city' centre... we dont have to participate, so why try with police presence try to make us ???? This part of the world has turned into a joke !!!!![/p][/quote]Errr. I was agreeing with you.[/p][/quote]LMA Sorry I know just was continuing my rant ;-) was not aimed at you in anyway !!!!! Ranting is Ranting and the occasional bystander gets caught in the line of fire, which is pretty much what is gonna happen when NATO arrives .... I live 500yrds from the entrance to the Hotel in the Vale and just know that there will be none of this nonsense happening when BO arrives, so why should we have to deal with it now ??? What information are they trying to obtain ?? Is this road congested ??? Duuuuuuh look at the queues you have caused !!!!!!!! A waste of public money and a waste of everyones time !!!!!!!! Again apologies LMA if any offence taken ;-)[/p][/quote]Accepted. And rant entirely justified I might add. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 0

9:11pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Dave on his Soapbox says...

...also the questionnaire is so worded to get the proof they want....to many people are making short journeys in cars that only have one person in them......they can then justify the introduction of a congestion zone....and again try and force people onto the buses...after the fail bus lanes experiment....

What the form doesn't ask is why you don't use public transport....how complex is your life that means you're forced to use a car.....i.e. because of parental choice over which school 'little johnny' goes to...and the increase bus charges....and the fact you already own a car that you have to tax and insure for 24/7 use.....that to get to work on the outskirts of town....a car is the only practical way of getting from point A to B to then point C in the time you have in order to get into work on time....

What they should be carrying a survey on is why don't firms have more flexible working start and finish times and why can't more who could work from home be allowed to do so.....

We may have the highest proportion of home workers per head of population but this could be greater if bosses were so untrusting of their staff.....

With the millions the WAG is investing in Superfast broadband rollout across 96% of Wales by 2016.....this could really allow many office staff to work from home....even if it was on one or two days a week......
...also the questionnaire is so worded to get the proof they want....to many people are making short journeys in cars that only have one person in them......they can then justify the introduction of a congestion zone....and again try and force people onto the buses...after the fail bus lanes experiment.... What the form doesn't ask is why you don't use public transport....how complex is your life that means you're forced to use a car.....i.e. because of parental choice over which school 'little johnny' goes to...and the increase bus charges....and the fact you already own a car that you have to tax and insure for 24/7 use.....that to get to work on the outskirts of town....a car is the only practical way of getting from point A to B to then point C in the time you have in order to get into work on time.... What they should be carrying a survey on is why don't firms have more flexible working start and finish times and why can't more who could work from home be allowed to do so..... We may have the highest proportion of home workers per head of population but this could be greater if bosses were so untrusting of their staff..... With the millions the WAG is investing in Superfast broadband rollout across 96% of Wales by 2016.....this could really allow many office staff to work from home....even if it was on one or two days a week...... Dave on his Soapbox
  • Score: 0

9:36pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Bla.bla.bla says...

Police are involved as, I believe, they're the only ones with authority to stop traffic. This isn't the WG's invention, it's a standard way of gathering the maximum amount of information on traffic movements. Advanced signing is a genius idea - most people would avoid the area like the plague, not providing representative results. Yes, it's a short duration pain in the backside, but the data will be used for years to come to (hopefully) inform potential road network improvements. Sorry, not as interesting as most of the previous theories..
Police are involved as, I believe, they're the only ones with authority to stop traffic. This isn't the WG's invention, it's a standard way of gathering the maximum amount of information on traffic movements. Advanced signing is a genius idea - most people would avoid the area like the plague, not providing representative results. Yes, it's a short duration pain in the backside, but the data will be used for years to come to (hopefully) inform potential road network improvements. Sorry, not as interesting as most of the previous theories.. Bla.bla.bla
  • Score: -5

9:58pm Thu 5 Jun 14

peckylecky says...

I now have 5 of these forms , I would have to book a days holiday to fill them all in. Typical overkill from the W.A.G.
I now have 5 of these forms , I would have to book a days holiday to fill them all in. Typical overkill from the W.A.G. peckylecky
  • Score: 7

10:08pm Thu 5 Jun 14

charlie, newport says...

I have no objection to filling in a form to help make future improvements, but don't understand the way it has been carried out. I was held up in the SDR queues on Tuesday and nearly late for work.

Having queued for ages to be filtered into a single lane, we passed the census area to arrive at a set of traffic lights. Couldn't they have just put up signs warning of the census/people on the road, then waited at the lights and quickly handed out the forms to as many vehicles as possible when the lights turned red. Then step aside when they turn green, and repeat when they turn red again. Completely random sampling, and no-one is delayed or inconvenienced. Simples.
I have no objection to filling in a form to help make future improvements, but don't understand the way it has been carried out. I was held up in the SDR queues on Tuesday and nearly late for work. Having queued for ages to be filtered into a single lane, we passed the census area to arrive at a set of traffic lights. Couldn't they have just put up signs warning of the census/people on the road, then waited at the lights and quickly handed out the forms to as many vehicles as possible when the lights turned red. Then step aside when they turn green, and repeat when they turn red again. Completely random sampling, and no-one is delayed or inconvenienced. Simples. charlie, newport
  • Score: 10

10:28pm Thu 5 Jun 14

pbhj says...

Bla.bla.bla wrote:
Police are involved as, I believe, they're the only ones with authority to stop traffic. This isn't the WG's invention, it's a standard way of gathering the maximum amount of information on traffic movements. Advanced signing is a genius idea - most people would avoid the area like the plague, not providing representative results. Yes, it's a short duration pain in the backside, but the data will be used for years to come to (hopefully) inform potential road network improvements. Sorry, not as interesting as most of the previous theories..
What data is gathered that can't be gathered automatically. Number plate readers get all the vehicle information you want from the DVLA databases. Automated cameras and a couple of days of researchers poring over front and side views of vehicles will give you occupancy information (which will be more accurate and complete than self-reported stuff I'd warrant).

Why is this being done again? Some sort of trial run of the traffic impact for stop-and-search when the summit is on?

It's certainly a lame way of doing a non-disruptive survey: any survey that stops the traffic has already ruined the validity of the results.

Under what legal basis are people being stopped, don't the police have to inform you why they stopped you and under what authority? Under what law are people required to respond to questioning?
[quote][p][bold]Bla.bla.bla[/bold] wrote: Police are involved as, I believe, they're the only ones with authority to stop traffic. This isn't the WG's invention, it's a standard way of gathering the maximum amount of information on traffic movements. Advanced signing is a genius idea - most people would avoid the area like the plague, not providing representative results. Yes, it's a short duration pain in the backside, but the data will be used for years to come to (hopefully) inform potential road network improvements. Sorry, not as interesting as most of the previous theories..[/p][/quote]What data is gathered that can't be gathered automatically. Number plate readers get all the vehicle information you want from the DVLA databases. Automated cameras and a couple of days of researchers poring over front and side views of vehicles will give you occupancy information (which will be more accurate and complete than self-reported stuff I'd warrant). Why is this being done again? Some sort of trial run of the traffic impact for stop-and-search when the summit is on? It's certainly a lame way of doing a non-disruptive survey: any survey that stops the traffic has already ruined the validity of the results. Under what legal basis are people being stopped, don't the police have to inform you why they stopped you and under what authority? Under what law are people required to respond to questioning? pbhj
  • Score: -1

10:58pm Thu 5 Jun 14

bugsy93 says...

You can see why the country is in such a mess. Some half-wits in a government department come up with this act of needless stupidity.
This so-called survey will have no bearing whatsoever in what decisions that are made. Another waste of public money and police resources.
You can see why the country is in such a mess. Some half-wits in a government department come up with this act of needless stupidity. This so-called survey will have no bearing whatsoever in what decisions that are made. Another waste of public money and police resources. bugsy93
  • Score: 8

12:46am Fri 6 Jun 14

Newport2014 says...

We have all been brainwashed, this is not even a census, nor a traffic survey by the Welsh Assembly its a pre-Nato security exercise. The proof shows it that if you look carefully Caerleon Road, Chepstow Road and Corporation Road are strategic road routes leading up to the Celtic Manor, and its a coincidence that its happening just before the conference. "We won't be advertising the dates and locations of surveys as this could effect the results"
There is no results to publish at its just a cover up for the NATO Conference. I think most Newportolians should know this by now surely?
We have all been brainwashed, this is not even a census, nor a traffic survey by the Welsh Assembly its a pre-Nato security exercise. The proof shows it that if you look carefully Caerleon Road, Chepstow Road and Corporation Road are strategic road routes leading up to the Celtic Manor, and its a coincidence that its happening just before the conference. "We won't be advertising the dates and locations of surveys as this could effect the results" There is no results to publish at its just a cover up for the NATO Conference. I think most Newportolians should know this by now surely? Newport2014
  • Score: 3

7:11pm Fri 6 Jun 14

Leepod says...

Newport2014 wrote:
We have all been brainwashed, this is not even a census, nor a traffic survey by the Welsh Assembly its a pre-Nato security exercise. The proof shows it that if you look carefully Caerleon Road, Chepstow Road and Corporation Road are strategic road routes leading up to the Celtic Manor, and its a coincidence that its happening just before the conference. "We won't be advertising the dates and locations of surveys as this could effect the results"
There is no results to publish at its just a cover up for the NATO Conference. I think most Newportolians should know this by now surely?
Totally agree Newport2014!
[quote][p][bold]Newport2014[/bold] wrote: We have all been brainwashed, this is not even a census, nor a traffic survey by the Welsh Assembly its a pre-Nato security exercise. The proof shows it that if you look carefully Caerleon Road, Chepstow Road and Corporation Road are strategic road routes leading up to the Celtic Manor, and its a coincidence that its happening just before the conference. "We won't be advertising the dates and locations of surveys as this could effect the results" There is no results to publish at its just a cover up for the NATO Conference. I think most Newportolians should know this by now surely?[/p][/quote]Totally agree Newport2014! Leepod
  • Score: 2

4:50pm Sat 7 Jun 14

smiffy76 says...

Newport2014 wrote:
We have all been brainwashed, this is not even a census, nor a traffic survey by the Welsh Assembly its a pre-Nato security exercise. The proof shows it that if you look carefully Caerleon Road, Chepstow Road and Corporation Road are strategic road routes leading up to the Celtic Manor, and its a coincidence that its happening just before the conference. "We won't be advertising the dates and locations of surveys as this could effect the results"
There is no results to publish at its just a cover up for the NATO Conference. I think most Newportolians should know this by now surely?
Not sure why they would put a survey point on Cardiff Rd or The A48 Between the Dragonfly and M4 J28 then.

I have decided that if I am stopped I will be passively resistant and answer every question with "no comment" and if they get shirty "Am I under arrest or caution? I don't think so you an't a police officer" If the Police come over talk to them normally and explain you do not wish to take part. PS I will also fill in any form with No Comment over every question except a comment section where i will state that they owe me £20 for my time and they can donate it to CLiC for me.
[quote][p][bold]Newport2014[/bold] wrote: We have all been brainwashed, this is not even a census, nor a traffic survey by the Welsh Assembly its a pre-Nato security exercise. The proof shows it that if you look carefully Caerleon Road, Chepstow Road and Corporation Road are strategic road routes leading up to the Celtic Manor, and its a coincidence that its happening just before the conference. "We won't be advertising the dates and locations of surveys as this could effect the results" There is no results to publish at its just a cover up for the NATO Conference. I think most Newportolians should know this by now surely?[/p][/quote]Not sure why they would put a survey point on Cardiff Rd or The A48 Between the Dragonfly and M4 J28 then. I have decided that if I am stopped I will be passively resistant and answer every question with "no comment" and if they get shirty "Am I under arrest or caution? I don't think so you an't a police officer" If the Police come over talk to them normally and explain you do not wish to take part. PS I will also fill in any form with No Comment over every question except a comment section where i will state that they owe me £20 for my time and they can donate it to CLiC for me. smiffy76
  • Score: 0

6:11pm Mon 9 Jun 14

JanJenkins says...

Why couldn't the "Idiots" who needed this information just send the forms to every car owner in the area, to their home/ business addresses provided by DVLA, and politely ask - at such ( ? )time on such (? ) date, where you driving your car in the Newport Area.? If so could you answer these questions. please.
Now wouldn't that be a little more productive and probably save thousands of pounds in Police wages and the census takers wages, and hundreds of very P'd of drivers could have gone on their way un-interupted, .Or is the suggestion too much like common sense.
Why couldn't the "Idiots" who needed this information just send the forms to every car owner in the area, to their home/ business addresses provided by DVLA, and politely ask - at such ( ? )time on such (? ) date, where you driving your car in the Newport Area.? If so could you answer these questions. please. Now wouldn't that be a little more productive and probably save thousands of pounds in Police wages and the census takers wages, and hundreds of very P'd of drivers could have gone on their way un-interupted, .Or is the suggestion too much like common sense. JanJenkins
  • Score: -1

10:23am Tue 10 Jun 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

Katie Re-Registered wrote:
Although the surveys seem to be causing an inconvenience (let's remember extremely minor in the great scheme of things) for a minority of Newport road users at the moment, it will all be worth it in end as the researchers are only trying to gather information so that they can help help motorists and passengers in the long run. It can't be an easy job being stuck there in the rain often getting abuse from impatient motorists and road users so we should please give the census surveyors a break, eh? They're only trying to help - nothing sinister going on here folks, honest.
They should help motorists by filling in the b****y potholes everywhere.
Whatever their findings they are not going to spend any money on the roads, Just find new ways of milking the 'cash cow' motorist again.
[quote][p][bold]Katie Re-Registered[/bold] wrote: Although the surveys seem to be causing an inconvenience (let's remember extremely minor in the great scheme of things) for a minority of Newport road users at the moment, it will all be worth it in end as the researchers are only trying to gather information so that they can help help motorists and passengers in the long run. It can't be an easy job being stuck there in the rain often getting abuse from impatient motorists and road users so we should please give the census surveyors a break, eh? They're only trying to help - nothing sinister going on here folks, honest.[/p][/quote]They should help motorists by filling in the b****y potholes everywhere. Whatever their findings they are not going to spend any money on the roads, Just find new ways of milking the 'cash cow' motorist again. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: -1

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