Anger at crude graffiti outside Newport market

South Wales Argus: GRAFFITI: Photos by @thenewsagent shows the messages daubed at the front of Newport Market GRAFFITI: Photos by @thenewsagent shows the messages daubed at the front of Newport Market

CRUDE graffiti has been scribbled using permanent ink outside the newly refurbished Newport Market entrance.

The new High Street entrance opened eight months ago and was part of a £1 million refurbishment project at the 150-year-old market.

Newsagent Jon Powell, whose kiosk now has a home inside the front of the market, this morning tweeted photographs of the vandalism, which include people's names.

Mr Powell wrote: "Very angry with the graffiti all over all the new street furniture outside the market today. Respect our city?! It made me sad and disheartened when I saw it and realised it was everywhere."

The mayor of Newport, Matthew Evans tweeted back describing the vandals as a "mindless minority" which the "majority will not tolerate" while Newport city councillor Chris Evans, member for Rogerstone, said the vandals should be ashamed and tweeted: "People need to say no...to this type of behaviour, let's stand together, and take some pride in our market quarter".

A spokeswoman for Newport council responded to Mr Powell's tweets to say they were "very disappointed to see damage to much improved part of city centre" and insisted the council was on the case to get the graffiti removed while looking in to taking action.

Work will be carried out early on Wednesday morning before the area gets busy, they said, as due to the type of ink used staff will need to use a chemical cleaner to remove it.

Twitter users asked whether the council would be looking at CCTV to try and catch the culprits.

The Argus has contacted Newport council and Gwent Police for a comment.

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3:03pm Tue 17 Jun 14

Freedomguy2014 says...

Newport is a dead zone its where tumble weed goes past

Newport is not a city it is not a town it is a dead zone with no welsh people living there because of the flooding of other nationalities

in other words Newport is a ghost town

and should be shut down permanently if you don't want the infection of zombies to spread to other parts of Wales

Newport is the worst place in Wales Cardiff is better it is where the posh live :)

Newport is like the sand in your shoe
Newport is a dead zone its where tumble weed goes past Newport is not a city it is not a town it is a dead zone with no welsh people living there because of the flooding of other nationalities in other words Newport is a ghost town and should be shut down permanently if you don't want the infection of zombies to spread to other parts of Wales Newport is the worst place in Wales Cardiff is better it is where the posh live :) Newport is like the sand in your shoe Freedomguy2014
  • Score: -124

3:13pm Tue 17 Jun 14

Llanmartinangel says...

'The mayor of Newport, Matthew Evans tweeted back describing the vandals as a "mindless minority" which the "majority will not tolerate" '

But that's the point, we do tolerate them. When did you last hear of a prosecution, let alone a harsh sentence for acts like this? Fly-tippers, graffiti vandals, litter louts and the scum who wrecked a valleys rugby club act with impunity. Symptom of an increasingly feral society with an obnoxious underclass.
'The mayor of Newport, Matthew Evans tweeted back describing the vandals as a "mindless minority" which the "majority will not tolerate" ' But that's the point, we do tolerate them. When did you last hear of a prosecution, let alone a harsh sentence for acts like this? Fly-tippers, graffiti vandals, litter louts and the scum who wrecked a valleys rugby club act with impunity. Symptom of an increasingly feral society with an obnoxious underclass. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 85

3:32pm Tue 17 Jun 14

Newportg says...

Freedomguy2014 wrote:
Newport is a dead zone its where tumble weed goes past

Newport is not a city it is not a town it is a dead zone with no welsh people living there because of the flooding of other nationalities

in other words Newport is a ghost town

and should be shut down permanently if you don't want the infection of zombies to spread to other parts of Wales

Newport is the worst place in Wales Cardiff is better it is where the posh live :)

Newport is like the sand in your shoe
Ignorant racist, why don't you move then. And good riddance to you!!!
[quote][p][bold]Freedomguy2014[/bold] wrote: Newport is a dead zone its where tumble weed goes past Newport is not a city it is not a town it is a dead zone with no welsh people living there because of the flooding of other nationalities in other words Newport is a ghost town and should be shut down permanently if you don't want the infection of zombies to spread to other parts of Wales Newport is the worst place in Wales Cardiff is better it is where the posh live :) Newport is like the sand in your shoe[/p][/quote]Ignorant racist, why don't you move then. And good riddance to you!!! Newportg
  • Score: 79

3:44pm Tue 17 Jun 14

Thomas O'Malley says...

Newportg wrote:
Freedomguy2014 wrote:
Newport is a dead zone its where tumble weed goes past

Newport is not a city it is not a town it is a dead zone with no welsh people living there because of the flooding of other nationalities

in other words Newport is a ghost town

and should be shut down permanently if you don't want the infection of zombies to spread to other parts of Wales

Newport is the worst place in Wales Cardiff is better it is where the posh live :)

Newport is like the sand in your shoe
Ignorant racist, why don't you move then. And good riddance to you!!!
Well said.
[quote][p][bold]Newportg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freedomguy2014[/bold] wrote: Newport is a dead zone its where tumble weed goes past Newport is not a city it is not a town it is a dead zone with no welsh people living there because of the flooding of other nationalities in other words Newport is a ghost town and should be shut down permanently if you don't want the infection of zombies to spread to other parts of Wales Newport is the worst place in Wales Cardiff is better it is where the posh live :) Newport is like the sand in your shoe[/p][/quote]Ignorant racist, why don't you move then. And good riddance to you!!![/p][/quote]Well said. Thomas O'Malley
  • Score: 57

4:08pm Tue 17 Jun 14

MERoden says...

Freedomguy2014 - You are as sick minded as the vandals that did this Graffiti! I agree with Newportg and Thomas O'Malley. There are plenty of people living in Newport who respect Newport. I am pleased to say that I am one of those that respects Newport. It is a sick-minded few that try to ruin things. Some of these people exist in every town and city. Cardiff has had it's share of Graffiti problems too.

We need tougher punishments for the sick-minded people.
Freedomguy2014 - You are as sick minded as the vandals that did this Graffiti! I agree with Newportg and Thomas O'Malley. There are plenty of people living in Newport who respect Newport. I am pleased to say that I am one of those that respects Newport. It is a sick-minded few that try to ruin things. Some of these people exist in every town and city. Cardiff has had it's share of Graffiti problems too. We need tougher punishments for the sick-minded people. MERoden
  • Score: 71

4:37pm Tue 17 Jun 14

p stani says...

Freedomguy2014 wrote:
Newport is a dead zone its where tumble weed goes past

Newport is not a city it is not a town it is a dead zone with no welsh people living there because of the flooding of other nationalities

in other words Newport is a ghost town

and should be shut down permanently if you don't want the infection of zombies to spread to other parts of Wales

Newport is the worst place in Wales Cardiff is better it is where the posh live :)

Newport is like the sand in your shoe
He is only saying what the town looks like.
Not to sure about Cardiff though.
[quote][p][bold]Freedomguy2014[/bold] wrote: Newport is a dead zone its where tumble weed goes past Newport is not a city it is not a town it is a dead zone with no welsh people living there because of the flooding of other nationalities in other words Newport is a ghost town and should be shut down permanently if you don't want the infection of zombies to spread to other parts of Wales Newport is the worst place in Wales Cardiff is better it is where the posh live :) Newport is like the sand in your shoe[/p][/quote]He is only saying what the town looks like. Not to sure about Cardiff though. p stani
  • Score: -38

4:50pm Tue 17 Jun 14

Thor at the door says...

There are always lots of kids of all races, hanging around there at night and by Subway. They are hostile, smoke weed, and drop litter all over the place.

I have no dout they are the ones to blame for this. The Police don't care, and it a concerned citizen dared to confront them, no doubt they would be attacked and then arrested by the Police for confronting a minor.

These type are the future of our Newport; immigrants who have no respect for us, our town or country. They just ride around the town on bikes, spitting and littering and making normal folk feel uneasy!

Give the Police powers to give them a slap, like they do in Spain, and make them pick up the litter and scrub the grafitti off the walls!!!
There are always lots of kids of all races, hanging around there at night and by Subway. They are hostile, smoke weed, and drop litter all over the place. I have no dout they are the ones to blame for this. The Police don't care, and it a concerned citizen dared to confront them, no doubt they would be attacked and then arrested by the Police for confronting a minor. These type are the future of our Newport; immigrants who have no respect for us, our town or country. They just ride around the town on bikes, spitting and littering and making normal folk feel uneasy! Give the Police powers to give them a slap, like they do in Spain, and make them pick up the litter and scrub the grafitti off the walls!!! Thor at the door
  • Score: 70

5:06pm Tue 17 Jun 14

cannyfradock says...

Derogatory remarks are two a penny and are made by people who don't care....about their town/city or about anything. It's so easy to sit in the comfort of your own home and condemn everything. These parasites are not really worth quoting.

On the other hand people like Councillor Chris Evans member for Rogerstone should be commended for his rant on twitter. He not only brings awareness of the wrongdoings within the City, but also promotes every activity that the people of Newport are organising to bring fresh events to the City through his social media popularity and personal appearances.

Llanmartinangel has a very valid point when he/she says... "But that's the point, we do tolerate them. When did you last hear of a prosecution, let alone a harsh sentence for acts like this? Fly-tippers, graffiti vandals, litter louts and the scum who wrecked a valleys rugby club act with impunity. Symptom of an increasingly feral society with an obnoxious underclass."

If this were a serious crime scene there are enough cctv camara's and self signed graffiti to find the perpetrators....the culprits should be caught and made to clear up their own mess.

.....just my thoughts.....

Terry
Derogatory remarks are two a penny and are made by people who don't care....about their town/city or about anything. It's so easy to sit in the comfort of your own home and condemn everything. These parasites are not really worth quoting. On the other hand people like Councillor Chris Evans member for Rogerstone should be commended for his rant on twitter. He not only brings awareness of the wrongdoings within the City, but also promotes every activity that the people of Newport are organising to bring fresh events to the City through his social media popularity and personal appearances. Llanmartinangel has a very valid point when he/she says... "But that's the point, we do tolerate them. When did you last hear of a prosecution, let alone a harsh sentence for acts like this? Fly-tippers, graffiti vandals, litter louts and the scum who wrecked a valleys rugby club act with impunity. Symptom of an increasingly feral society with an obnoxious underclass." If this were a serious crime scene there are enough cctv camara's and self signed graffiti to find the perpetrators....the culprits should be caught and made to clear up their own mess. .....just my thoughts..... Terry cannyfradock
  • Score: 39

5:13pm Tue 17 Jun 14

Thor at the door says...

cannyfradock wrote:
Derogatory remarks are two a penny and are made by people who don't care....about their town/city or about anything. It's so easy to sit in the comfort of your own home and condemn everything. These parasites are not really worth quoting.

On the other hand people like Councillor Chris Evans member for Rogerstone should be commended for his rant on twitter. He not only brings awareness of the wrongdoings within the City, but also promotes every activity that the people of Newport are organising to bring fresh events to the City through his social media popularity and personal appearances.

Llanmartinangel has a very valid point when he/she says... "But that's the point, we do tolerate them. When did you last hear of a prosecution, let alone a harsh sentence for acts like this? Fly-tippers, graffiti vandals, litter louts and the scum who wrecked a valleys rugby club act with impunity. Symptom of an increasingly feral society with an obnoxious underclass."

If this were a serious crime scene there are enough cctv camara's and self signed graffiti to find the perpetrators....the culprits should be caught and made to clear up their own mess.

.....just my thoughts.....

Terry
What are you doing to stop this kind of behaviour then big tel???

I mean, your sat in your home making remarks??
[quote][p][bold]cannyfradock[/bold] wrote: Derogatory remarks are two a penny and are made by people who don't care....about their town/city or about anything. It's so easy to sit in the comfort of your own home and condemn everything. These parasites are not really worth quoting. On the other hand people like Councillor Chris Evans member for Rogerstone should be commended for his rant on twitter. He not only brings awareness of the wrongdoings within the City, but also promotes every activity that the people of Newport are organising to bring fresh events to the City through his social media popularity and personal appearances. Llanmartinangel has a very valid point when he/she says... "But that's the point, we do tolerate them. When did you last hear of a prosecution, let alone a harsh sentence for acts like this? Fly-tippers, graffiti vandals, litter louts and the scum who wrecked a valleys rugby club act with impunity. Symptom of an increasingly feral society with an obnoxious underclass." If this were a serious crime scene there are enough cctv camara's and self signed graffiti to find the perpetrators....the culprits should be caught and made to clear up their own mess. .....just my thoughts..... Terry[/p][/quote]What are you doing to stop this kind of behaviour then big tel??? I mean, your sat in your home making remarks?? Thor at the door
  • Score: -25

5:44pm Tue 17 Jun 14

cannyfradock says...

Thor says

"What are you doing to stop this kind of behaviour then big tel???"

I can't really do anything about what the CPS brings to the attention of the Magistrates. All I can do is show my dismay into a system which I think needs re-vamping.

As far as Newport is concerned, I also try to promote any event in Newport through my own social media contacts and through website forums that I am Administrator of.

Terry (btw.....not SO big Tel)
Thor says "What are you doing to stop this kind of behaviour then big tel???" I can't really do anything about what the CPS brings to the attention of the Magistrates. All I can do is show my dismay into a system which I think needs re-vamping. As far as Newport is concerned, I also try to promote any event in Newport through my own social media contacts and through website forums that I am Administrator of. Terry (btw.....not SO big Tel) cannyfradock
  • Score: 26

6:45pm Tue 17 Jun 14

Magor says...

There is graffiti all over Newport and some has been there years,there is some dated 2003 yet the council does nothing to remove it.The streets have got weeds growing and look a mess.No good spending millions on a shopping centre when the rest of the area looks a dump.People will just drive on.
There is graffiti all over Newport and some has been there years,there is some dated 2003 yet the council does nothing to remove it.The streets have got weeds growing and look a mess.No good spending millions on a shopping centre when the rest of the area looks a dump.People will just drive on. Magor
  • Score: 37

7:25pm Tue 17 Jun 14

Limestonecowboy says...

Some Morrissey miseries here. Commercial Street to High Street busy this morning people sitting outside cafes the buildings being improved & cleaned up have a look around at the building architecture around the Westgate now much improved.
Some Morrissey miseries here. Commercial Street to High Street busy this morning people sitting outside cafes the buildings being improved & cleaned up have a look around at the building architecture around the Westgate now much improved. Limestonecowboy
  • Score: 32

7:54pm Tue 17 Jun 14

keithbob says...

i totally agree our town is now full of foreigners and not locals,sat outside a coffee bar the other day and hardly a local diallect was heard.felt like i was on holiday in poland,BUT.no excuse for this vandalism.check the names,someone knows who the little scroats are with the names.
i totally agree our town is now full of foreigners and not locals,sat outside a coffee bar the other day and hardly a local diallect was heard.felt like i was on holiday in poland,BUT.no excuse for this vandalism.check the names,someone knows who the little scroats are with the names. keithbob
  • Score: 28

11:10pm Tue 17 Jun 14

cymruamblyth says...

MERoden wrote:
Freedomguy2014 - You are as sick minded as the vandals that did this Graffiti! I agree with Newportg and Thomas O'Malley. There are plenty of people living in Newport who respect Newport. I am pleased to say that I am one of those that respects Newport. It is a sick-minded few that try to ruin things. Some of these people exist in every town and city. Cardiff has had it's share of Graffiti problems too.

We need tougher punishments for the sick-minded people.
MERodent I wonder how long it would be before some pedantic loser would posted a smarmy comment hyping Newport up as they finished into their crusty sock.

With sleuthing skills like that, why are you writing barely intelligible letters to strangers on the inter-web when you could be doing detective work instead? You could go around to various cities and find obvious similarities of graffiti between towns and city's..
[quote][p][bold]MERoden[/bold] wrote: Freedomguy2014 - You are as sick minded as the vandals that did this Graffiti! I agree with Newportg and Thomas O'Malley. There are plenty of people living in Newport who respect Newport. I am pleased to say that I am one of those that respects Newport. It is a sick-minded few that try to ruin things. Some of these people exist in every town and city. Cardiff has had it's share of Graffiti problems too. We need tougher punishments for the sick-minded people.[/p][/quote]MERodent I wonder how long it would be before some pedantic loser would posted a smarmy comment hyping Newport up as they finished into their crusty sock. With sleuthing skills like that, why are you writing barely intelligible letters to strangers on the inter-web when you could be doing detective work instead? You could go around to various cities and find obvious similarities of graffiti between towns and city's.. cymruamblyth
  • Score: -25

11:25pm Tue 17 Jun 14

landyman3030 says...

This may just be kids with markers but it highlights the ignorance of the kids to the city and community in general. Kids are not taught to respect elders, neighbours or teachers these days. That is a parental fault. Those graffiti names are not Eastern European. They are just kids who think nothing of causing destruction. Discipline and education go hand in hand. Parents need to be responsible for where their kids are after dark. Kids are openly dealing drugs all over the city. Dispersal notices are having to be put in to place all over Newport to combat feral behaviour. NCC has a team of wardens and crime prevention officers who struggle with red tape to protect the public. It's about time we brought curfews in and stamped this ASB out. People are afraid to go out after dark. Has anybody walked through Clarence Place, along Corporation Road or through town at dusk or after dark? Newport is a different place to what it was 5 years ago. It's not about immigrants. It's about a marked change in attitude of the 10 to 20 year olds. Drugs are everything. Every kid is a wanna be gangster. We need to take our youth and our streets back now. Harsh times deserve harsh methods.
This may just be kids with markers but it highlights the ignorance of the kids to the city and community in general. Kids are not taught to respect elders, neighbours or teachers these days. That is a parental fault. Those graffiti names are not Eastern European. They are just kids who think nothing of causing destruction. Discipline and education go hand in hand. Parents need to be responsible for where their kids are after dark. Kids are openly dealing drugs all over the city. Dispersal notices are having to be put in to place all over Newport to combat feral behaviour. NCC has a team of wardens and crime prevention officers who struggle with red tape to protect the public. It's about time we brought curfews in and stamped this ASB out. People are afraid to go out after dark. Has anybody walked through Clarence Place, along Corporation Road or through town at dusk or after dark? Newport is a different place to what it was 5 years ago. It's not about immigrants. It's about a marked change in attitude of the 10 to 20 year olds. Drugs are everything. Every kid is a wanna be gangster. We need to take our youth and our streets back now. Harsh times deserve harsh methods. landyman3030
  • Score: 54

11:30pm Tue 17 Jun 14

Katie Re-Registered says...

I'm not condoning it, but at least it isn't racist, homophobic, sexist or violent graffiti - seems to be motivated by friendship and love to me. Unfortunately, there's all too much graffiti that expresses hatred and threats to minority groups around - personally, I find that a lot more depressing and unnerving.
I'm not condoning it, but at least it isn't racist, homophobic, sexist or violent graffiti - seems to be motivated by friendship and love to me. Unfortunately, there's all too much graffiti that expresses hatred and threats to minority groups around - personally, I find that a lot more depressing and unnerving. Katie Re-Registered
  • Score: -29

11:31pm Tue 17 Jun 14

cymruamblyth says...

Oh dear I hit reply without proof reading.. Oh no some spelling Nazi who likes to correct other people's spelling to make people think they are superior. It's a power trip, a way to be bigger than what they really are.
Oh dear I hit reply without proof reading.. Oh no some spelling Nazi who likes to correct other people's spelling to make people think they are superior. It's a power trip, a way to be bigger than what they really are. cymruamblyth
  • Score: -7

11:31pm Tue 17 Jun 14

displayed says...

The problem is that graffitists need a nice clean wall and there's plenty of em in Newport, so what better place than a pristine marble one!

There not gonna "add their tag", if someone got there first.
I woz there first!

Yeh rite!
The problem is that graffitists need a nice clean wall and there's plenty of em in Newport, so what better place than a pristine marble one! There not gonna "add their tag", if someone got there first. I woz there first! Yeh rite! displayed
  • Score: 6

11:33pm Tue 17 Jun 14

Katie Re-Registered says...

'"The mayor of Newport, Matthew Evans tweeted back describing the vandals as a "mindless minority" which the "majority will not tolerate" '

Bit like the present government, then?;)
'"The mayor of Newport, Matthew Evans tweeted back describing the vandals as a "mindless minority" which the "majority will not tolerate" ' Bit like the present government, then?;) Katie Re-Registered
  • Score: 0

12:07am Wed 18 Jun 14

charlie, newport says...

Pretty distinctive names on the wall. How many people are there in Newport called Mia or Brogan, and how many of those have friends called Ella and Adam? Come on parents, you have a good idea if this was your offspring. Perhaps you could now drive the back to town with a cloth, some Jif and some elbow grease and get them to right their wrongs...
Pretty distinctive names on the wall. How many people are there in Newport called Mia or Brogan, and how many of those have friends called Ella and Adam? Come on parents, you have a good idea if this was your offspring. Perhaps you could now drive the back to town with a cloth, some Jif and some elbow grease and get them to right their wrongs... charlie, newport
  • Score: 39

10:04am Wed 18 Jun 14

-trigg- says...

If Newport was a thriving and busy city centre, there would be far fewer instances of graffiti and vandalism, simply because there would be too many people around for them to get away with it.

Of course, it would also help if there were actually some sort of police presence on the streets, and if today's youth respected the law and feared punishment, instead of treating an ASBO as a certificate of achievment.
If Newport was a thriving and busy city centre, there would be far fewer instances of graffiti and vandalism, simply because there would be too many people around for them to get away with it. Of course, it would also help if there were actually some sort of police presence on the streets, and if today's youth respected the law and feared punishment, instead of treating an ASBO as a certificate of achievment. -trigg-
  • Score: 13

11:08am Wed 18 Jun 14

Jimport says...

Freedomguy2014 wrote:
Newport is a dead zone its where tumble weed goes past

Newport is not a city it is not a town it is a dead zone with no welsh people living there because of the flooding of other nationalities

in other words Newport is a ghost town

and should be shut down permanently if you don't want the infection of zombies to spread to other parts of Wales

Newport is the worst place in Wales Cardiff is better it is where the posh live :)

Newport is like the sand in your shoe
Meanwhile, back in the real world, the market was very busy last weekend, town was full of people, loads of them were wearing Wales shirts probably after watching the South Africa match, and the Admiral building has made a massive difference to that end of town. Clearly there is an anti-social element at work that needs to be dealt with.

Why can't you keep your views balanced and realistic, instead of descending into a rant which is obviously factually, objectively wrong? No Welsh people in Newport, seriously? A 3 year old child would talk more sense.
[quote][p][bold]Freedomguy2014[/bold] wrote: Newport is a dead zone its where tumble weed goes past Newport is not a city it is not a town it is a dead zone with no welsh people living there because of the flooding of other nationalities in other words Newport is a ghost town and should be shut down permanently if you don't want the infection of zombies to spread to other parts of Wales Newport is the worst place in Wales Cardiff is better it is where the posh live :) Newport is like the sand in your shoe[/p][/quote]Meanwhile, back in the real world, the market was very busy last weekend, town was full of people, loads of them were wearing Wales shirts probably after watching the South Africa match, and the Admiral building has made a massive difference to that end of town. Clearly there is an anti-social element at work that needs to be dealt with. Why can't you keep your views balanced and realistic, instead of descending into a rant which is obviously factually, objectively wrong? No Welsh people in Newport, seriously? A 3 year old child would talk more sense. Jimport
  • Score: 30

12:17pm Wed 18 Jun 14

No.one says...

This is not graffiti. This is pure crap tags made by 12 years old asbos. I've been a graffiti artist for the last 15 years, I've been paid to paint walls, I've been teaching how to paint walls so please everyone, including the person who wrote this article, educate yourself and don't call this pieces of crap graffiti!
Thank you
This is not graffiti. This is pure crap tags made by 12 years old asbos. I've been a graffiti artist for the last 15 years, I've been paid to paint walls, I've been teaching how to paint walls so please everyone, including the person who wrote this article, educate yourself and don't call this pieces of crap graffiti! Thank you No.one
  • Score: 5

12:40pm Wed 18 Jun 14

-trigg- says...

To look at this from another perspective, perhaps we ought to be grateful that the youths responsible for this graffiti are literate enough to do so given the appalling state of the Welsh education system.

I'm also wondering whether they should start expecting a visit from the language commissioner who will no doubt need to ensure any future acts of public vandalism are also available in Welsh.
To look at this from another perspective, perhaps we ought to be grateful that the youths responsible for this graffiti are literate enough to do so given the appalling state of the Welsh education system. I'm also wondering whether they should start expecting a visit from the language commissioner who will no doubt need to ensure any future acts of public vandalism are also available in Welsh. -trigg-
  • Score: 14

1:21pm Wed 18 Jun 14

Jonnytrouble says...

Freedomguy2014 wrote:
Newport is a dead zone its where tumble weed goes past

Newport is not a city it is not a town it is a dead zone with no welsh people living there because of the flooding of other nationalities

in other words Newport is a ghost town

and should be shut down permanently if you don't want the infection of zombies to spread to other parts of Wales

Newport is the worst place in Wales Cardiff is better it is where the posh live :)

Newport is like the sand in your shoe
So your trapped living here or are you from somewhere else ?
But in some respect you do have a point...
Shame whoever did this had NO respect to a city that is trying to get back on tracks with new building programs to get people back into the City shopping !
[quote][p][bold]Freedomguy2014[/bold] wrote: Newport is a dead zone its where tumble weed goes past Newport is not a city it is not a town it is a dead zone with no welsh people living there because of the flooding of other nationalities in other words Newport is a ghost town and should be shut down permanently if you don't want the infection of zombies to spread to other parts of Wales Newport is the worst place in Wales Cardiff is better it is where the posh live :) Newport is like the sand in your shoe[/p][/quote]So your trapped living here or are you from somewhere else ? But in some respect you do have a point... Shame whoever did this had NO respect to a city that is trying to get back on tracks with new building programs to get people back into the City shopping ! Jonnytrouble
  • Score: 6

1:28pm Wed 18 Jun 14

Jonnytrouble says...

MERoden wrote:
Freedomguy2014 - You are as sick minded as the vandals that did this Graffiti! I agree with Newportg and Thomas O'Malley. There are plenty of people living in Newport who respect Newport. I am pleased to say that I am one of those that respects Newport. It is a sick-minded few that try to ruin things. Some of these people exist in every town and city. Cardiff has had it's share of Graffiti problems too.

We need tougher punishments for the sick-minded people.
Very true, if they are caught all they would get is a slap on the wrist.
As for Freedomguy2014 I feel sorry for him as he can't move to Cardiff that he loves ! Anyone prepared to help him with a hand-out ?
[quote][p][bold]MERoden[/bold] wrote: Freedomguy2014 - You are as sick minded as the vandals that did this Graffiti! I agree with Newportg and Thomas O'Malley. There are plenty of people living in Newport who respect Newport. I am pleased to say that I am one of those that respects Newport. It is a sick-minded few that try to ruin things. Some of these people exist in every town and city. Cardiff has had it's share of Graffiti problems too. We need tougher punishments for the sick-minded people.[/p][/quote]Very true, if they are caught all they would get is a slap on the wrist. As for Freedomguy2014 I feel sorry for him as he can't move to Cardiff that he loves ! Anyone prepared to help him with a hand-out ? Jonnytrouble
  • Score: -4

2:50pm Wed 18 Jun 14

-trigg- says...

ROMANES EUNT DOMUS!
ROMANES EUNT DOMUS! -trigg-
  • Score: -2

3:37pm Wed 18 Jun 14

Thor at the door says...

The only way to prevent crime is to make the punishment immediate and impressionable.

If criminals such as these, be they young kids or youths are correctly identified they should be punished accordingly. They should be made to clean it up first then have real lasting punishment such as 20 lashes across their hands.

They would not do it again, as they know the punishment will be unpleasant. Whereas a ASBO is no punishment, just a badge of honour.

The parents of these type should also be punished for their failure in educating their children.

It's a chain reaction, attitude breeds behaviour; If a youngster see's the parents covered in tattoos, smoking, drinking, swearing, behaving aggressively, and having no respect for nothing or nobody, then they are going to turn out like them.

Newport is full of these type of people. Just walk down Pill, Bettws, Ringland etc it's full of them. Even the more reputable areas have parents and kids with the "i don't care" "my kids can do no wrong" attitude.

It's a disgrace and I blame immigration, reality TV, computer games, the media and the Internet for this behaviour pattern!
The only way to prevent crime is to make the punishment immediate and impressionable. If criminals such as these, be they young kids or youths are correctly identified they should be punished accordingly. They should be made to clean it up first then have real lasting punishment such as 20 lashes across their hands. They would not do it again, as they know the punishment will be unpleasant. Whereas a ASBO is no punishment, just a badge of honour. The parents of these type should also be punished for their failure in educating their children. It's a chain reaction, attitude breeds behaviour; If a youngster see's the parents covered in tattoos, smoking, drinking, swearing, behaving aggressively, and having no respect for nothing or nobody, then they are going to turn out like them. Newport is full of these type of people. Just walk down Pill, Bettws, Ringland etc it's full of them. Even the more reputable areas have parents and kids with the "i don't care" "my kids can do no wrong" attitude. It's a disgrace and I blame immigration, reality TV, computer games, the media and the Internet for this behaviour pattern! Thor at the door
  • Score: 11

3:40pm Wed 18 Jun 14

maryjj says...

-trigg- wrote:
If Newport was a thriving and busy city centre, there would be far fewer instances of graffiti and vandalism, simply because there would be too many people around for them to get away with it.

Of course, it would also help if there were actually some sort of police presence on the streets, and if today's youth respected the law and feared punishment, instead of treating an ASBO as a certificate of achievment.
I totally agree with you trigg. Everyday whether driving around or walking around I would imagine everyone witnesses at least one minor crime being committed. What do you do? Confront them only to receive a torrent of disgusting abuse from morons that can only be described as having the intellect of amoebas? Who do you call? If you call the police you have to give your life story and go through too many call centre options before you even get to speak to someone by which time the little darlings committing these crimes are tucked up in bed. If you try and find a police officer on the street you never can. It's as if they don't exist any more. People committing these anti social crimes don't even run the risk of being caught let alone punished. But what about the hundreds of CCTV cameras in town? Surely they caught them in the act?
[quote][p][bold]-trigg-[/bold] wrote: If Newport was a thriving and busy city centre, there would be far fewer instances of graffiti and vandalism, simply because there would be too many people around for them to get away with it. Of course, it would also help if there were actually some sort of police presence on the streets, and if today's youth respected the law and feared punishment, instead of treating an ASBO as a certificate of achievment.[/p][/quote]I totally agree with you trigg. Everyday whether driving around or walking around I would imagine everyone witnesses at least one minor crime being committed. What do you do? Confront them only to receive a torrent of disgusting abuse from morons that can only be described as having the intellect of amoebas? Who do you call? If you call the police you have to give your life story and go through too many call centre options before you even get to speak to someone by which time the little darlings committing these crimes are tucked up in bed. If you try and find a police officer on the street you never can. It's as if they don't exist any more. People committing these anti social crimes don't even run the risk of being caught let alone punished. But what about the hundreds of CCTV cameras in town? Surely they caught them in the act? maryjj
  • Score: 10

4:38pm Wed 18 Jun 14

landyman3030 says...

maryjj wrote:
-trigg- wrote:
If Newport was a thriving and busy city centre, there would be far fewer instances of graffiti and vandalism, simply because there would be too many people around for them to get away with it.

Of course, it would also help if there were actually some sort of police presence on the streets, and if today's youth respected the law and feared punishment, instead of treating an ASBO as a certificate of achievment.
I totally agree with you trigg. Everyday whether driving around or walking around I would imagine everyone witnesses at least one minor crime being committed. What do you do? Confront them only to receive a torrent of disgusting abuse from morons that can only be described as having the intellect of amoebas? Who do you call? If you call the police you have to give your life story and go through too many call centre options before you even get to speak to someone by which time the little darlings committing these crimes are tucked up in bed. If you try and find a police officer on the street you never can. It's as if they don't exist any more. People committing these anti social crimes don't even run the risk of being caught let alone punished. But what about the hundreds of CCTV cameras in town? Surely they caught them in the act?
That is assuming that the cameras actually are connected and turned on. then you wonder if they are recording or if it is manned only and there is no one there.
Has anybody actually rung the police on 101 recently. By the time you get through the bilingual set and then the options it's almost 5 minutes. Which you get charged for which is diabolical i think.
It's not until you need the emergency services quickly that you realise how thinly stretched out they are. Forget austerity measures All of the emergency services should have a pay rise and a massive recruitment drive. Only trouble is you have to have a degree to become a copper or a paramedic these days. And very soon to become a paramedic you will have to pay for your own training. Private ambulance service here we come. We need well trained good coppers with the time to be out with the public, supported by the CPS and with all the red tape gone. Paperwork makes the job a shambles.
[quote][p][bold]maryjj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]-trigg-[/bold] wrote: If Newport was a thriving and busy city centre, there would be far fewer instances of graffiti and vandalism, simply because there would be too many people around for them to get away with it. Of course, it would also help if there were actually some sort of police presence on the streets, and if today's youth respected the law and feared punishment, instead of treating an ASBO as a certificate of achievment.[/p][/quote]I totally agree with you trigg. Everyday whether driving around or walking around I would imagine everyone witnesses at least one minor crime being committed. What do you do? Confront them only to receive a torrent of disgusting abuse from morons that can only be described as having the intellect of amoebas? Who do you call? If you call the police you have to give your life story and go through too many call centre options before you even get to speak to someone by which time the little darlings committing these crimes are tucked up in bed. If you try and find a police officer on the street you never can. It's as if they don't exist any more. People committing these anti social crimes don't even run the risk of being caught let alone punished. But what about the hundreds of CCTV cameras in town? Surely they caught them in the act?[/p][/quote]That is assuming that the cameras actually are connected and turned on. then you wonder if they are recording or if it is manned only and there is no one there. Has anybody actually rung the police on 101 recently. By the time you get through the bilingual set and then the options it's almost 5 minutes. Which you get charged for which is diabolical i think. It's not until you need the emergency services quickly that you realise how thinly stretched out they are. Forget austerity measures All of the emergency services should have a pay rise and a massive recruitment drive. Only trouble is you have to have a degree to become a copper or a paramedic these days. And very soon to become a paramedic you will have to pay for your own training. Private ambulance service here we come. We need well trained good coppers with the time to be out with the public, supported by the CPS and with all the red tape gone. Paperwork makes the job a shambles. landyman3030
  • Score: 11

9:46pm Wed 18 Jun 14

Libby5 says...

charlie, newport wrote:
Pretty distinctive names on the wall. How many people are there in Newport called Mia or Brogan, and how many of those have friends called Ella and Adam? Come on parents, you have a good idea if this was your offspring. Perhaps you could now drive the back to town with a cloth, some Jif and some elbow grease and get them to right their wrongs...
If the police would like to pursue
[quote][p][bold]charlie, newport[/bold] wrote: Pretty distinctive names on the wall. How many people are there in Newport called Mia or Brogan, and how many of those have friends called Ella and Adam? Come on parents, you have a good idea if this was your offspring. Perhaps you could now drive the back to town with a cloth, some Jif and some elbow grease and get them to right their wrongs...[/p][/quote]If the police would like to pursue Libby5
  • Score: -2

9:50pm Wed 18 Jun 14

Libby5 says...

Libby5 wrote:
charlie, newport wrote:
Pretty distinctive names on the wall. How many people are there in Newport called Mia or Brogan, and how many of those have friends called Ella and Adam? Come on parents, you have a good idea if this was your offspring. Perhaps you could now drive the back to town with a cloth, some Jif and some elbow grease and get them to right their wrongs...
If the police would like to pursue
If the police would like to pursue this all they have to do is appeal for the public to give the surnames.........
[quote][p][bold]Libby5[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]charlie, newport[/bold] wrote: Pretty distinctive names on the wall. How many people are there in Newport called Mia or Brogan, and how many of those have friends called Ella and Adam? Come on parents, you have a good idea if this was your offspring. Perhaps you could now drive the back to town with a cloth, some Jif and some elbow grease and get them to right their wrongs...[/p][/quote]If the police would like to pursue[/p][/quote]If the police would like to pursue this all they have to do is appeal for the public to give the surnames......... Libby5
  • Score: 4

7:05am Thu 19 Jun 14

nodnyl says...

when they are found on cctv how about a few mug shots on the front page!
when they are found on cctv how about a few mug shots on the front page! nodnyl
  • Score: 4

7:39am Thu 19 Jun 14

scraptheWAG says...

Freedomguy2014 wrote:
Newport is a dead zone its where tumble weed goes past

Newport is not a city it is not a town it is a dead zone with no welsh people living there because of the flooding of other nationalities

in other words Newport is a ghost town

and should be shut down permanently if you don't want the infection of zombies to spread to other parts of Wales

Newport is the worst place in Wales Cardiff is better it is where the posh live :)

Newport is like the sand in your shoe
Cardiff where the posh people live lol , cardiff is a city that gets more aid than Israel and the continent of Africa combined and a economy based on Russia's before the iron curtain fell!!!! The city completely propped up by the state
[quote][p][bold]Freedomguy2014[/bold] wrote: Newport is a dead zone its where tumble weed goes past Newport is not a city it is not a town it is a dead zone with no welsh people living there because of the flooding of other nationalities in other words Newport is a ghost town and should be shut down permanently if you don't want the infection of zombies to spread to other parts of Wales Newport is the worst place in Wales Cardiff is better it is where the posh live :) Newport is like the sand in your shoe[/p][/quote]Cardiff where the posh people live lol , cardiff is a city that gets more aid than Israel and the continent of Africa combined and a economy based on Russia's before the iron curtain fell!!!! The city completely propped up by the state scraptheWAG
  • Score: 7

8:39am Thu 19 Jun 14

Mervyn James says...

scraptheWAG wrote:
Freedomguy2014 wrote:
Newport is a dead zone its where tumble weed goes past

Newport is not a city it is not a town it is a dead zone with no welsh people living there because of the flooding of other nationalities

in other words Newport is a ghost town

and should be shut down permanently if you don't want the infection of zombies to spread to other parts of Wales

Newport is the worst place in Wales Cardiff is better it is where the posh live :)

Newport is like the sand in your shoe
Cardiff where the posh people live lol , cardiff is a city that gets more aid than Israel and the continent of Africa combined and a economy based on Russia's before the iron curtain fell!!!! The city completely propped up by the state
I think Newport would take that any day ! I don't understand graffiti or why people insist defacing anything new. 'Gaz wos ere' isn't Banksy is it ? A lot likes bored schoolkids who think there is a need to know they are stupid.
[quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freedomguy2014[/bold] wrote: Newport is a dead zone its where tumble weed goes past Newport is not a city it is not a town it is a dead zone with no welsh people living there because of the flooding of other nationalities in other words Newport is a ghost town and should be shut down permanently if you don't want the infection of zombies to spread to other parts of Wales Newport is the worst place in Wales Cardiff is better it is where the posh live :) Newport is like the sand in your shoe[/p][/quote]Cardiff where the posh people live lol , cardiff is a city that gets more aid than Israel and the continent of Africa combined and a economy based on Russia's before the iron curtain fell!!!! The city completely propped up by the state[/p][/quote]I think Newport would take that any day ! I don't understand graffiti or why people insist defacing anything new. 'Gaz wos ere' isn't Banksy is it ? A lot likes bored schoolkids who think there is a need to know they are stupid. Mervyn James
  • Score: 2

9:34am Thu 19 Jun 14

Jimport says...

"It's a disgrace and I blame immigration, reality TV, computer games, the media and the Internet for this behaviour pattern!"

Interesting. Can you explain in a bit more detail?
"It's a disgrace and I blame immigration, reality TV, computer games, the media and the Internet for this behaviour pattern!" Interesting. Can you explain in a bit more detail? Jimport
  • Score: 2

4:46pm Thu 19 Jun 14

The People's Republic of Newp says...

No.one wrote:
This is not graffiti. This is pure crap tags made by 12 years old asbos. I've been a graffiti artist for the last 15 years, I've been paid to paint walls, I've been teaching how to paint walls so please everyone, including the person who wrote this article, educate yourself and don't call this pieces of crap graffiti!
Thank you
Valid point. Graffiti is an art form.
[quote][p][bold]No.one[/bold] wrote: This is not graffiti. This is pure crap tags made by 12 years old asbos. I've been a graffiti artist for the last 15 years, I've been paid to paint walls, I've been teaching how to paint walls so please everyone, including the person who wrote this article, educate yourself and don't call this pieces of crap graffiti! Thank you[/p][/quote]Valid point. Graffiti is an art form. The People's Republic of Newp
  • Score: 1

4:47pm Thu 19 Jun 14

County says...

Jimport wrote:
"It's a disgrace and I blame immigration, reality TV, computer games, the media and the Internet for this behaviour pattern!"

Interesting. Can you explain in a bit more detail?
No-one saying they should have their hands chopped off? The bleeding heart liberals are taking over this site.
[quote][p][bold]Jimport[/bold] wrote: "It's a disgrace and I blame immigration, reality TV, computer games, the media and the Internet for this behaviour pattern!" Interesting. Can you explain in a bit more detail?[/p][/quote]No-one saying they should have their hands chopped off? The bleeding heart liberals are taking over this site. County
  • Score: 4

9:25pm Thu 19 Jun 14

scraptheWAG says...

Mervyn James wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
Freedomguy2014 wrote:
Newport is a dead zone its where tumble weed goes past

Newport is not a city it is not a town it is a dead zone with no welsh people living there because of the flooding of other nationalities

in other words Newport is a ghost town

and should be shut down permanently if you don't want the infection of zombies to spread to other parts of Wales

Newport is the worst place in Wales Cardiff is better it is where the posh live :)

Newport is like the sand in your shoe
Cardiff where the posh people live lol , cardiff is a city that gets more aid than Israel and the continent of Africa combined and a economy based on Russia's before the iron curtain fell!!!! The city completely propped up by the state
I think Newport would take that any day ! I don't understand graffiti or why people insist defacing anything new. 'Gaz wos ere' isn't Banksy is it ? A lot likes bored schoolkids who think there is a need to know they are stupid.
i would imagine they would but without it cardiff would be more deprived than ne
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freedomguy2014[/bold] wrote: Newport is a dead zone its where tumble weed goes past Newport is not a city it is not a town it is a dead zone with no welsh people living there because of the flooding of other nationalities in other words Newport is a ghost town and should be shut down permanently if you don't want the infection of zombies to spread to other parts of Wales Newport is the worst place in Wales Cardiff is better it is where the posh live :) Newport is like the sand in your shoe[/p][/quote]Cardiff where the posh people live lol , cardiff is a city that gets more aid than Israel and the continent of Africa combined and a economy based on Russia's before the iron curtain fell!!!! The city completely propped up by the state[/p][/quote]I think Newport would take that any day ! I don't understand graffiti or why people insist defacing anything new. 'Gaz wos ere' isn't Banksy is it ? A lot likes bored schoolkids who think there is a need to know they are stupid.[/p][/quote]i would imagine they would but without it cardiff would be more deprived than ne scraptheWAG
  • Score: 0

11:19pm Thu 19 Jun 14

Llanmartinangel says...

The People's Republic of Newp wrote:
No.one wrote:
This is not graffiti. This is pure crap tags made by 12 years old asbos. I've been a graffiti artist for the last 15 years, I've been paid to paint walls, I've been teaching how to paint walls so please everyone, including the person who wrote this article, educate yourself and don't call this pieces of crap graffiti!
Thank you
Valid point. Graffiti is an art form.
No it's not. If it's commissioned/request
ed then it's art or painting. If it's daubed on someone else's property then it's criminal damage. Graffiti is a word used to misrepresent something which can easily be described in more appropriate language.
[quote][p][bold]The People's Republic of Newp[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]No.one[/bold] wrote: This is not graffiti. This is pure crap tags made by 12 years old asbos. I've been a graffiti artist for the last 15 years, I've been paid to paint walls, I've been teaching how to paint walls so please everyone, including the person who wrote this article, educate yourself and don't call this pieces of crap graffiti! Thank you[/p][/quote]Valid point. Graffiti is an art form.[/p][/quote]No it's not. If it's commissioned/request ed then it's art or painting. If it's daubed on someone else's property then it's criminal damage. Graffiti is a word used to misrepresent something which can easily be described in more appropriate language. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 0

9:06am Fri 20 Jun 14

Mervyn James says...

The People's Republic of Newp wrote:
No.one wrote:
This is not graffiti. This is pure crap tags made by 12 years old asbos. I've been a graffiti artist for the last 15 years, I've been paid to paint walls, I've been teaching how to paint walls so please everyone, including the person who wrote this article, educate yourself and don't call this pieces of crap graffiti!
Thank you
Valid point. Graffiti is an art form.
Your view not anyone else's ! As art is purely subjective and in the eyes of the beholder, there is no way you would convince most of these daubings on walls are art.. If you justify it, it only encourages those who have difficult knowing a felt tip pen from a lb of cheese trying to justify the same thing. It's just vandalism, it doesn't add anything to the city or its image to find everything new they put up can be reduced to a disgusting sight because GAZ is Lush is scribbled all over it, go scribble on Gaz's house morons ! 90% of 'Art' is crap let's face it, its all based on the emperors new clothes thing, he isn't wearing any, but he keeps thinking he does. Same people who think peeing on a bed is art, if so, then Newport has city full of it....
[quote][p][bold]The People's Republic of Newp[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]No.one[/bold] wrote: This is not graffiti. This is pure crap tags made by 12 years old asbos. I've been a graffiti artist for the last 15 years, I've been paid to paint walls, I've been teaching how to paint walls so please everyone, including the person who wrote this article, educate yourself and don't call this pieces of crap graffiti! Thank you[/p][/quote]Valid point. Graffiti is an art form.[/p][/quote]Your view not anyone else's ! As art is purely subjective and in the eyes of the beholder, there is no way you would convince most of these daubings on walls are art.. If you justify it, it only encourages those who have difficult knowing a felt tip pen from a lb of cheese trying to justify the same thing. It's just vandalism, it doesn't add anything to the city or its image to find everything new they put up can be reduced to a disgusting sight because GAZ is Lush is scribbled all over it, go scribble on Gaz's house morons ! 90% of 'Art' is crap let's face it, its all based on the emperors new clothes thing, he isn't wearing any, but he keeps thinking he does. Same people who think peeing on a bed is art, if so, then Newport has city full of it.... Mervyn James
  • Score: -2

9:52am Fri 20 Jun 14

Llanmartinangel says...

Mervyn James wrote:
The People's Republic of Newp wrote:
No.one wrote:
This is not graffiti. This is pure crap tags made by 12 years old asbos. I've been a graffiti artist for the last 15 years, I've been paid to paint walls, I've been teaching how to paint walls so please everyone, including the person who wrote this article, educate yourself and don't call this pieces of crap graffiti!
Thank you
Valid point. Graffiti is an art form.
Your view not anyone else's ! As art is purely subjective and in the eyes of the beholder, there is no way you would convince most of these daubings on walls are art.. If you justify it, it only encourages those who have difficult knowing a felt tip pen from a lb of cheese trying to justify the same thing. It's just vandalism, it doesn't add anything to the city or its image to find everything new they put up can be reduced to a disgusting sight because GAZ is Lush is scribbled all over it, go scribble on Gaz's house morons ! 90% of 'Art' is crap let's face it, its all based on the emperors new clothes thing, he isn't wearing any, but he keeps thinking he does. Same people who think peeing on a bed is art, if so, then Newport has city full of it....
Wasn't justifying it. Far from it. What I was saying is, if someone requests or pays to to adorn their wall then it's a mural isn't it? The term 'graffiti' is used for, and instead of, the criminal damage which it is. So why not call it that? Referring to it as an 'art form' seems to suggest it has merit. It doesn't.
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The People's Republic of Newp[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]No.one[/bold] wrote: This is not graffiti. This is pure crap tags made by 12 years old asbos. I've been a graffiti artist for the last 15 years, I've been paid to paint walls, I've been teaching how to paint walls so please everyone, including the person who wrote this article, educate yourself and don't call this pieces of crap graffiti! Thank you[/p][/quote]Valid point. Graffiti is an art form.[/p][/quote]Your view not anyone else's ! As art is purely subjective and in the eyes of the beholder, there is no way you would convince most of these daubings on walls are art.. If you justify it, it only encourages those who have difficult knowing a felt tip pen from a lb of cheese trying to justify the same thing. It's just vandalism, it doesn't add anything to the city or its image to find everything new they put up can be reduced to a disgusting sight because GAZ is Lush is scribbled all over it, go scribble on Gaz's house morons ! 90% of 'Art' is crap let's face it, its all based on the emperors new clothes thing, he isn't wearing any, but he keeps thinking he does. Same people who think peeing on a bed is art, if so, then Newport has city full of it....[/p][/quote]Wasn't justifying it. Far from it. What I was saying is, if someone requests or pays to to adorn their wall then it's a mural isn't it? The term 'graffiti' is used for, and instead of, the criminal damage which it is. So why not call it that? Referring to it as an 'art form' seems to suggest it has merit. It doesn't. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 2

9:57am Fri 20 Jun 14

Llanmartinangel says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
Mervyn James wrote:
The People's Republic of Newp wrote:
No.one wrote:
This is not graffiti. This is pure crap tags made by 12 years old asbos. I've been a graffiti artist for the last 15 years, I've been paid to paint walls, I've been teaching how to paint walls so please everyone, including the person who wrote this article, educate yourself and don't call this pieces of crap graffiti!
Thank you
Valid point. Graffiti is an art form.
Your view not anyone else's ! As art is purely subjective and in the eyes of the beholder, there is no way you would convince most of these daubings on walls are art.. If you justify it, it only encourages those who have difficult knowing a felt tip pen from a lb of cheese trying to justify the same thing. It's just vandalism, it doesn't add anything to the city or its image to find everything new they put up can be reduced to a disgusting sight because GAZ is Lush is scribbled all over it, go scribble on Gaz's house morons ! 90% of 'Art' is crap let's face it, its all based on the emperors new clothes thing, he isn't wearing any, but he keeps thinking he does. Same people who think peeing on a bed is art, if so, then Newport has city full of it....
Wasn't justifying it. Far from it. What I was saying is, if someone requests or pays to to adorn their wall then it's a mural isn't it? The term 'graffiti' is used for, and instead of, the criminal damage which it is. So why not call it that? Referring to it as an 'art form' seems to suggest it has merit. It doesn't.
Apologies. Replied to the wrong post.
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The People's Republic of Newp[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]No.one[/bold] wrote: This is not graffiti. This is pure crap tags made by 12 years old asbos. I've been a graffiti artist for the last 15 years, I've been paid to paint walls, I've been teaching how to paint walls so please everyone, including the person who wrote this article, educate yourself and don't call this pieces of crap graffiti! Thank you[/p][/quote]Valid point. Graffiti is an art form.[/p][/quote]Your view not anyone else's ! As art is purely subjective and in the eyes of the beholder, there is no way you would convince most of these daubings on walls are art.. If you justify it, it only encourages those who have difficult knowing a felt tip pen from a lb of cheese trying to justify the same thing. It's just vandalism, it doesn't add anything to the city or its image to find everything new they put up can be reduced to a disgusting sight because GAZ is Lush is scribbled all over it, go scribble on Gaz's house morons ! 90% of 'Art' is crap let's face it, its all based on the emperors new clothes thing, he isn't wearing any, but he keeps thinking he does. Same people who think peeing on a bed is art, if so, then Newport has city full of it....[/p][/quote]Wasn't justifying it. Far from it. What I was saying is, if someone requests or pays to to adorn their wall then it's a mural isn't it? The term 'graffiti' is used for, and instead of, the criminal damage which it is. So why not call it that? Referring to it as an 'art form' seems to suggest it has merit. It doesn't.[/p][/quote]Apologies. Replied to the wrong post. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: -1

12:04pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Jimport says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
The People's Republic of Newp wrote:
No.one wrote:
This is not graffiti. This is pure crap tags made by 12 years old asbos. I've been a graffiti artist for the last 15 years, I've been paid to paint walls, I've been teaching how to paint walls so please everyone, including the person who wrote this article, educate yourself and don't call this pieces of crap graffiti!
Thank you
Valid point. Graffiti is an art form.
No it's not. If it's commissioned/request

ed then it's art or painting. If it's daubed on someone else's property then it's criminal damage. Graffiti is a word used to misrepresent something which can easily be described in more appropriate language.
Why can something not be criminal damage and art? Saying it's art is not to say it's good art, has to be kept in situ or preserved, or has any intrinsic value. Aesthetics is philosophically complex, it's not going to get sorted out on here!
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The People's Republic of Newp[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]No.one[/bold] wrote: This is not graffiti. This is pure crap tags made by 12 years old asbos. I've been a graffiti artist for the last 15 years, I've been paid to paint walls, I've been teaching how to paint walls so please everyone, including the person who wrote this article, educate yourself and don't call this pieces of crap graffiti! Thank you[/p][/quote]Valid point. Graffiti is an art form.[/p][/quote]No it's not. If it's commissioned/request ed then it's art or painting. If it's daubed on someone else's property then it's criminal damage. Graffiti is a word used to misrepresent something which can easily be described in more appropriate language.[/p][/quote]Why can something not be criminal damage and art? Saying it's art is not to say it's good art, has to be kept in situ or preserved, or has any intrinsic value. Aesthetics is philosophically complex, it's not going to get sorted out on here! Jimport
  • Score: -1

12:32pm Fri 20 Jun 14

ollie72 says...

Thor at the door wrote:
The only way to prevent crime is to make the punishment immediate and impressionable. If criminals such as these, be they young kids or youths are correctly identified they should be punished accordingly. They should be made to clean it up first then have real lasting punishment such as 20 lashes across their hands. They would not do it again, as they know the punishment will be unpleasant. Whereas a ASBO is no punishment, just a badge of honour. The parents of these type should also be punished for their failure in educating their children. It's a chain reaction, attitude breeds behaviour; If a youngster see's the parents covered in tattoos, smoking, drinking, swearing, behaving aggressively, and having no respect for nothing or nobody, then they are going to turn out like them. Newport is full of these type of people. Just walk down Pill, Bettws, Ringland etc it's full of them. Even the more reputable areas have parents and kids with the "i don't care" "my kids can do no wrong" attitude. It's a disgrace and I blame immigration, reality TV, computer games, the media and the Internet for this behaviour pattern!
Very general, really unfair.

As you walk down those same streets in Pill, Bettws, Ringland, you'll also see lots of kids playing football/rugby, and parents that may be tattooed/smoking, but work for their money.

And how is this down to immigrants? How many Somali or eastern europeans name their kids Mia or Brogan or Adam or Ella? This was done by local kids who thought it was funny at the time. Once someone works out who they are (there can't be that many kids of these names with friends with the exact name) then they can wear hi-vis jackets and clean the mess in broad daylight in front of a crowd...
[quote][p][bold]Thor at the door[/bold] wrote: The only way to prevent crime is to make the punishment immediate and impressionable. If criminals such as these, be they young kids or youths are correctly identified they should be punished accordingly. They should be made to clean it up first then have real lasting punishment such as 20 lashes across their hands. They would not do it again, as they know the punishment will be unpleasant. Whereas a ASBO is no punishment, just a badge of honour. The parents of these type should also be punished for their failure in educating their children. It's a chain reaction, attitude breeds behaviour; If a youngster see's the parents covered in tattoos, smoking, drinking, swearing, behaving aggressively, and having no respect for nothing or nobody, then they are going to turn out like them. Newport is full of these type of people. Just walk down Pill, Bettws, Ringland etc it's full of them. Even the more reputable areas have parents and kids with the "i don't care" "my kids can do no wrong" attitude. It's a disgrace and I blame immigration, reality TV, computer games, the media and the Internet for this behaviour pattern![/p][/quote]Very general, really unfair. As you walk down those same streets in Pill, Bettws, Ringland, you'll also see lots of kids playing football/rugby, and parents that may be tattooed/smoking, but work for their money. And how is this down to immigrants? How many Somali or eastern europeans name their kids Mia or Brogan or Adam or Ella? This was done by local kids who thought it was funny at the time. Once someone works out who they are (there can't be that many kids of these names with friends with the exact name) then they can wear hi-vis jackets and clean the mess in broad daylight in front of a crowd... ollie72
  • Score: 3

3:14pm Fri 20 Jun 14

-trigg- says...

Interestingly the word "Graffiti" comes from the latin root "Graffiari" which means to write or inscribe, which is then combined with a corrupted form of "Foetid" meaning foul.

So the word Graffiti acttually means "foul writing". No wonder so much of it is badly spelt and lacking in grammar.
Interestingly the word "Graffiti" comes from the latin root "Graffiari" which means to write or inscribe, which is then combined with a corrupted form of "Foetid" meaning foul. So the word Graffiti acttually means "foul writing". No wonder so much of it is badly spelt and lacking in grammar. -trigg-
  • Score: 4

9:43am Sat 21 Jun 14

Charlie1501 says...

Don't tell us what we can see, tell us that they have been caught on CCTV and have been punished.
Don't tell us what we can see, tell us that they have been caught on CCTV and have been punished. Charlie1501
  • Score: 0

9:44am Sat 21 Jun 14

Dipole says...

I find it very interesting that a lot of posters try to blame immigration for Newports ills. In my job I and my colleagues are all over the city and.in and out of people's homes and businesses at probably their lowest moments and I have to say the worst acting and abusive are the "natives" not the.so called "foreigners".
I find it very interesting that a lot of posters try to blame immigration for Newports ills. In my job I and my colleagues are all over the city and.in and out of people's homes and businesses at probably their lowest moments and I have to say the worst acting and abusive are the "natives" not the.so called "foreigners". Dipole
  • Score: 1

11:28am Sat 21 Jun 14

The People's Republic of Newp says...

Mervyn James wrote:
The People's Republic of Newp wrote:
No.one wrote:
This is not graffiti. This is pure crap tags made by 12 years old asbos. I've been a graffiti artist for the last 15 years, I've been paid to paint walls, I've been teaching how to paint walls so please everyone, including the person who wrote this article, educate yourself and don't call this pieces of crap graffiti!
Thank you
Valid point. Graffiti is an art form.
Your view not anyone else's ! As art is purely subjective and in the eyes of the beholder, there is no way you would convince most of these daubings on walls are art.. If you justify it, it only encourages those who have difficult knowing a felt tip pen from a lb of cheese trying to justify the same thing. It's just vandalism, it doesn't add anything to the city or its image to find everything new they put up can be reduced to a disgusting sight because GAZ is Lush is scribbled all over it, go scribble on Gaz's house morons ! 90% of 'Art' is crap let's face it, its all based on the emperors new clothes thing, he isn't wearing any, but he keeps thinking he does. Same people who think peeing on a bed is art, if so, then Newport has city full of it....
Read my comment and that which I commented on: we weren't arguing these tags are graffiti, we were in fact stating the opposite. These are tags at best, not graffiti. Read before expressing your views next time.
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The People's Republic of Newp[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]No.one[/bold] wrote: This is not graffiti. This is pure crap tags made by 12 years old asbos. I've been a graffiti artist for the last 15 years, I've been paid to paint walls, I've been teaching how to paint walls so please everyone, including the person who wrote this article, educate yourself and don't call this pieces of crap graffiti! Thank you[/p][/quote]Valid point. Graffiti is an art form.[/p][/quote]Your view not anyone else's ! As art is purely subjective and in the eyes of the beholder, there is no way you would convince most of these daubings on walls are art.. If you justify it, it only encourages those who have difficult knowing a felt tip pen from a lb of cheese trying to justify the same thing. It's just vandalism, it doesn't add anything to the city or its image to find everything new they put up can be reduced to a disgusting sight because GAZ is Lush is scribbled all over it, go scribble on Gaz's house morons ! 90% of 'Art' is crap let's face it, its all based on the emperors new clothes thing, he isn't wearing any, but he keeps thinking he does. Same people who think peeing on a bed is art, if so, then Newport has city full of it....[/p][/quote]Read my comment and that which I commented on: we weren't arguing these tags are graffiti, we were in fact stating the opposite. These are tags at best, not graffiti. Read before expressing your views next time. The People's Republic of Newp
  • Score: 1

11:30am Sat 21 Jun 14

The People's Republic of Newp says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
The People's Republic of Newp wrote:
No.one wrote:
This is not graffiti. This is pure crap tags made by 12 years old asbos. I've been a graffiti artist for the last 15 years, I've been paid to paint walls, I've been teaching how to paint walls so please everyone, including the person who wrote this article, educate yourself and don't call this pieces of crap graffiti!
Thank you
Valid point. Graffiti is an art form.
No it's not. If it's commissioned/request

ed then it's art or painting. If it's daubed on someone else's property then it's criminal damage. Graffiti is a word used to misrepresent something which can easily be described in more appropriate language.
The two issues (1. the use of spray paint to create an image, and 2. the location of that image) are not necessarily coterminous.
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The People's Republic of Newp[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]No.one[/bold] wrote: This is not graffiti. This is pure crap tags made by 12 years old asbos. I've been a graffiti artist for the last 15 years, I've been paid to paint walls, I've been teaching how to paint walls so please everyone, including the person who wrote this article, educate yourself and don't call this pieces of crap graffiti! Thank you[/p][/quote]Valid point. Graffiti is an art form.[/p][/quote]No it's not. If it's commissioned/request ed then it's art or painting. If it's daubed on someone else's property then it's criminal damage. Graffiti is a word used to misrepresent something which can easily be described in more appropriate language.[/p][/quote]The two issues (1. the use of spray paint to create an image, and 2. the location of that image) are not necessarily coterminous. The People's Republic of Newp
  • Score: -1

11:30am Sat 21 Jun 14

The People's Republic of Newp says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
The People's Republic of Newp wrote:
No.one wrote:
This is not graffiti. This is pure crap tags made by 12 years old asbos. I've been a graffiti artist for the last 15 years, I've been paid to paint walls, I've been teaching how to paint walls so please everyone, including the person who wrote this article, educate yourself and don't call this pieces of crap graffiti!
Thank you
Valid point. Graffiti is an art form.
No it's not. If it's commissioned/request

ed then it's art or painting. If it's daubed on someone else's property then it's criminal damage. Graffiti is a word used to misrepresent something which can easily be described in more appropriate language.
The two issues (1. the use of spray paint to create an image, and 2. the location of that image) are not necessarily coterminous.
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The People's Republic of Newp[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]No.one[/bold] wrote: This is not graffiti. This is pure crap tags made by 12 years old asbos. I've been a graffiti artist for the last 15 years, I've been paid to paint walls, I've been teaching how to paint walls so please everyone, including the person who wrote this article, educate yourself and don't call this pieces of crap graffiti! Thank you[/p][/quote]Valid point. Graffiti is an art form.[/p][/quote]No it's not. If it's commissioned/request ed then it's art or painting. If it's daubed on someone else's property then it's criminal damage. Graffiti is a word used to misrepresent something which can easily be described in more appropriate language.[/p][/quote]The two issues (1. the use of spray paint to create an image, and 2. the location of that image) are not necessarily coterminous. The People's Republic of Newp
  • Score: -1

11:31am Sat 21 Jun 14

The People's Republic of Newp says...

Mervyn James wrote:
The People's Republic of Newp wrote:
No.one wrote:
This is not graffiti. This is pure crap tags made by 12 years old asbos. I've been a graffiti artist for the last 15 years, I've been paid to paint walls, I've been teaching how to paint walls so please everyone, including the person who wrote this article, educate yourself and don't call this pieces of crap graffiti!
Thank you
Valid point. Graffiti is an art form.
Your view not anyone else's ! As art is purely subjective and in the eyes of the beholder, there is no way you would convince most of these daubings on walls are art.. If you justify it, it only encourages those who have difficult knowing a felt tip pen from a lb of cheese trying to justify the same thing. It's just vandalism, it doesn't add anything to the city or its image to find everything new they put up can be reduced to a disgusting sight because GAZ is Lush is scribbled all over it, go scribble on Gaz's house morons ! 90% of 'Art' is crap let's face it, its all based on the emperors new clothes thing, he isn't wearing any, but he keeps thinking he does. Same people who think peeing on a bed is art, if so, then Newport has city full of it....
No ANYONE else's? Bit presumptuous of you Merv, to speak for the entirety of the human race, myself excluded.
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The People's Republic of Newp[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]No.one[/bold] wrote: This is not graffiti. This is pure crap tags made by 12 years old asbos. I've been a graffiti artist for the last 15 years, I've been paid to paint walls, I've been teaching how to paint walls so please everyone, including the person who wrote this article, educate yourself and don't call this pieces of crap graffiti! Thank you[/p][/quote]Valid point. Graffiti is an art form.[/p][/quote]Your view not anyone else's ! As art is purely subjective and in the eyes of the beholder, there is no way you would convince most of these daubings on walls are art.. If you justify it, it only encourages those who have difficult knowing a felt tip pen from a lb of cheese trying to justify the same thing. It's just vandalism, it doesn't add anything to the city or its image to find everything new they put up can be reduced to a disgusting sight because GAZ is Lush is scribbled all over it, go scribble on Gaz's house morons ! 90% of 'Art' is crap let's face it, its all based on the emperors new clothes thing, he isn't wearing any, but he keeps thinking he does. Same people who think peeing on a bed is art, if so, then Newport has city full of it....[/p][/quote]No ANYONE else's? Bit presumptuous of you Merv, to speak for the entirety of the human race, myself excluded. The People's Republic of Newp
  • Score: 1

11:33am Sat 21 Jun 14

The People's Republic of Newp says...

Jimport wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
The People's Republic of Newp wrote:
No.one wrote:
This is not graffiti. This is pure crap tags made by 12 years old asbos. I've been a graffiti artist for the last 15 years, I've been paid to paint walls, I've been teaching how to paint walls so please everyone, including the person who wrote this article, educate yourself and don't call this pieces of crap graffiti!
Thank you
Valid point. Graffiti is an art form.
No it's not. If it's commissioned/request


ed then it's art or painting. If it's daubed on someone else's property then it's criminal damage. Graffiti is a word used to misrepresent something which can easily be described in more appropriate language.
Why can something not be criminal damage and art? Saying it's art is not to say it's good art, has to be kept in situ or preserved, or has any intrinsic value. Aesthetics is philosophically complex, it's not going to get sorted out on here!
Indeed.
[quote][p][bold]Jimport[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The People's Republic of Newp[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]No.one[/bold] wrote: This is not graffiti. This is pure crap tags made by 12 years old asbos. I've been a graffiti artist for the last 15 years, I've been paid to paint walls, I've been teaching how to paint walls so please everyone, including the person who wrote this article, educate yourself and don't call this pieces of crap graffiti! Thank you[/p][/quote]Valid point. Graffiti is an art form.[/p][/quote]No it's not. If it's commissioned/request ed then it's art or painting. If it's daubed on someone else's property then it's criminal damage. Graffiti is a word used to misrepresent something which can easily be described in more appropriate language.[/p][/quote]Why can something not be criminal damage and art? Saying it's art is not to say it's good art, has to be kept in situ or preserved, or has any intrinsic value. Aesthetics is philosophically complex, it's not going to get sorted out on here![/p][/quote]Indeed. The People's Republic of Newp
  • Score: 0

5:13pm Sat 21 Jun 14

Llanmartinangel says...

The People's Republic of Newp wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
The People's Republic of Newp wrote:
No.one wrote:
This is not graffiti. This is pure crap tags made by 12 years old asbos. I've been a graffiti artist for the last 15 years, I've been paid to paint walls, I've been teaching how to paint walls so please everyone, including the person who wrote this article, educate yourself and don't call this pieces of crap graffiti!
Thank you
Valid point. Graffiti is an art form.
No it's not. If it's commissioned/request


ed then it's art or painting. If it's daubed on someone else's property then it's criminal damage. Graffiti is a word used to misrepresent something which can easily be described in more appropriate language.
The two issues (1. the use of spray paint to create an image, and 2. the location of that image) are not necessarily coterminous.
Spray painting is still painting isn't it? If it's on your wall/property or someone else's at their request/with permission then that's fine. Everything else is criminal damage. Even if Banksy does it.
[quote][p][bold]The People's Republic of Newp[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The People's Republic of Newp[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]No.one[/bold] wrote: This is not graffiti. This is pure crap tags made by 12 years old asbos. I've been a graffiti artist for the last 15 years, I've been paid to paint walls, I've been teaching how to paint walls so please everyone, including the person who wrote this article, educate yourself and don't call this pieces of crap graffiti! Thank you[/p][/quote]Valid point. Graffiti is an art form.[/p][/quote]No it's not. If it's commissioned/request ed then it's art or painting. If it's daubed on someone else's property then it's criminal damage. Graffiti is a word used to misrepresent something which can easily be described in more appropriate language.[/p][/quote]The two issues (1. the use of spray paint to create an image, and 2. the location of that image) are not necessarily coterminous.[/p][/quote]Spray painting is still painting isn't it? If it's on your wall/property or someone else's at their request/with permission then that's fine. Everything else is criminal damage. Even if Banksy does it. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: -1

10:06am Sun 22 Jun 14

Mervyn James says...

It's vandalism let them paint their own houses.
It's vandalism let them paint their own houses. Mervyn James
  • Score: -1

8:01pm Sun 22 Jun 14

The People's Republic of Newp says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
The People's Republic of Newp wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
The People's Republic of Newp wrote:
No.one wrote:
This is not graffiti. This is pure crap tags made by 12 years old asbos. I've been a graffiti artist for the last 15 years, I've been paid to paint walls, I've been teaching how to paint walls so please everyone, including the person who wrote this article, educate yourself and don't call this pieces of crap graffiti!
Thank you
Valid point. Graffiti is an art form.
No it's not. If it's commissioned/request



ed then it's art or painting. If it's daubed on someone else's property then it's criminal damage. Graffiti is a word used to misrepresent something which can easily be described in more appropriate language.
The two issues (1. the use of spray paint to create an image, and 2. the location of that image) are not necessarily coterminous.
Spray painting is still painting isn't it? If it's on your wall/property or someone else's at their request/with permission then that's fine. Everything else is criminal damage. Even if Banksy does it.
I made no such distinction as, to the matter at hand, it had no pertinence. I was merely distinguishing between graffiti and tagging, as was the chap who made the original comment.
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The People's Republic of Newp[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The People's Republic of Newp[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]No.one[/bold] wrote: This is not graffiti. This is pure crap tags made by 12 years old asbos. I've been a graffiti artist for the last 15 years, I've been paid to paint walls, I've been teaching how to paint walls so please everyone, including the person who wrote this article, educate yourself and don't call this pieces of crap graffiti! Thank you[/p][/quote]Valid point. Graffiti is an art form.[/p][/quote]No it's not. If it's commissioned/request ed then it's art or painting. If it's daubed on someone else's property then it's criminal damage. Graffiti is a word used to misrepresent something which can easily be described in more appropriate language.[/p][/quote]The two issues (1. the use of spray paint to create an image, and 2. the location of that image) are not necessarily coterminous.[/p][/quote]Spray painting is still painting isn't it? If it's on your wall/property or someone else's at their request/with permission then that's fine. Everything else is criminal damage. Even if Banksy does it.[/p][/quote]I made no such distinction as, to the matter at hand, it had no pertinence. I was merely distinguishing between graffiti and tagging, as was the chap who made the original comment. The People's Republic of Newp
  • Score: 1

1:24pm Tue 24 Jun 14

DavidMclean says...

The sad reality is; kids who do graffiti have NEVER cared what the rest of us think. So letting them know of our outrage and our 'lack of tolerance' means absolutely nothing to them. We can rant and rave on Twitter and messageboards as much as we like, but it's pointless because they won't even notice (I doubt they visit the Argus website to read these comments).

I agree with Llanmartinangel above who says 'When did you last hear of a prosecution, let alone a harsh sentence for acts like this?' But punishment is the only option we have - if we actually used it. And it needs to be something meaningful. ASBOs and all that nonsense is a waste of time. Get them where it hurts - in the pocket. That's the only thing they will take any notice of.

Most of us would die of shame if we were found responsible for something like this, but these kids don't think like us and don't live in the same world, so our values and disapproval mean nothing to them.
The sad reality is; kids who do graffiti have NEVER cared what the rest of us think. So letting them know of our outrage and our 'lack of tolerance' means absolutely nothing to them. We can rant and rave on Twitter and messageboards as much as we like, but it's pointless because they won't even notice (I doubt they visit the Argus website to read these comments). I agree with Llanmartinangel above who says 'When did you last hear of a prosecution, let alone a harsh sentence for acts like this?' But punishment is the only option we have - if we actually used it. And it needs to be something meaningful. ASBOs and all that nonsense is a waste of time. Get them where it hurts - in the pocket. That's the only thing they will take any notice of. Most of us would die of shame if we were found responsible for something like this, but these kids don't think like us and don't live in the same world, so our values and disapproval mean nothing to them. DavidMclean
  • Score: 0

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