Union fears 1,000 civil service jobs could leave Newport

South Wales Argus: JOBS FEAR: The Ministry of Justice building at Celtic Springs Business Park in Newport JOBS FEAR: The Ministry of Justice building at Celtic Springs Business Park in Newport

A UNION has expressed fears for the future of 1,000 civil service jobs in Newport, following confirmation that the posts could be sent off-shore to countries like India.

Staff at the UK Government-run Ministry of Justice (MoJ) Shared Services centre at Celtic Springs Business Park, Newport, were told today that their jobs could be privatised if a deal is done with French I.T. company Steria in August.

The Argus understands 700 people performing back-room functions like payroll and human resources are employed full-time at the centre, with 300 others doing the same jobs on temporary contracts.

They also have around 130 colleagues in Bootle, Merseyside, and do work for the likes of the probation service, the Home Office and the courts and prisons service.

Around half the workforce are members for the Public and Commercial Services (PCS) Union and plan to walk out all day on Monday, June 30, in protest against the plans.

PCS officials have told the Argus that, of three options available, the UK Government favours Steria's business plan which involves off-shoring the jobs to other countries, such as India where one of its subsidiaries, Shared Services Connected Ltd (SSCL), already runs an NHS call-centre.

SSCL is 75 per cent owned by Steria, with the UK Government retaining a quarter.

However, the deal has not officially been made and if the plans are finalised it will not take place until August, said full-time PCS official Keith Johnston.

The union will push for guarantees that the jobs will stay in Britain, he said.

A Ministry of Justice spokeswoman said the department is considering options for the future delivery of back office admin services.

"All options will be evaluated to make sure they provide value for taxpayers' money," she said. "We will work with staff, trade unions and other stakeholders to assess any impacts on staff."

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2:12pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Dai Rear says...

"All options will be evaluated to make sure they provide value for taxpayers' money," she said. "We will work with staff, trade unions and other stakeholders to assess any impacts on staff"
How do I get value, paying dole for 1000 people and their families in Wales? How do I get value when the balance of trade is skewed against this non-manufacturing country and I've to pay billions of rupees to India?
Does Madam suppose that it would have any "impact" on her to be chucked out of work?
Oh sorry, I forgot. It doesn't affect London so it doesn't matter in the slightest.
What's the name of the government cretin who shot him/her/it/self in the foot with this garbage?
"All options will be evaluated to make sure they provide value for taxpayers' money," she said. "We will work with staff, trade unions and other stakeholders to assess any impacts on staff" How do I get value, paying dole for 1000 people and their families in Wales? How do I get value when the balance of trade is skewed against this non-manufacturing country and I've to pay billions of rupees to India? Does Madam suppose that it would have any "impact" on her to be chucked out of work? Oh sorry, I forgot. It doesn't affect London so it doesn't matter in the slightest. What's the name of the government cretin who shot him/her/it/self in the foot with this garbage? Dai Rear
  • Score: 29

2:25pm Mon 23 Jun 14

pillboy says...

More jobs potentially being lost to Indian call centers. I always boycott companies that operate outside the UK.
More jobs potentially being lost to Indian call centers. I always boycott companies that operate outside the UK. pillboy
  • Score: 58

2:27pm Mon 23 Jun 14

KarloMarko says...

JAN 2014..."Prime minister David Cameron told an audience at the World Economic Forum in Davos that he wants British companies to bring offshored jobs BACK to the UK.
“In recent years there has been a
practice of offshoring, where
companies move production facilities
to low-cost countries. We’ve all seen
it. We all know it’s true. And it will
continue,” said Cameron.
“But there is now an opportunity for
the reverse – there is now an
opportunity for some of those jobs to
come back,” he added.
The government is launching an
advisory service for businesses trying
to do this." - Computer Weekly 1/2014.

There are lies, hypocrites and...David William Donald Cameron.
JAN 2014..."Prime minister David Cameron told an audience at the World Economic Forum in Davos that he wants British companies to bring offshored jobs BACK to the UK. “In recent years there has been a practice of offshoring, where companies move production facilities to low-cost countries. We’ve all seen it. We all know it’s true. And it will continue,” said Cameron. “But there is now an opportunity for the reverse – there is now an opportunity for some of those jobs to come back,” he added. The government is launching an advisory service for businesses trying to do this." - Computer Weekly 1/2014. There are lies, hypocrites and...David William Donald Cameron. KarloMarko
  • Score: 59

4:38pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Dai Rear says...

Newport MP's , AM's? Why the silence? If you can't see a bloomin' great door that will be SO easy to push. Wake up!
I'm singing from old Marx's song book. There's a first.
Newport MP's , AM's? Why the silence? If you can't see a bloomin' great door that will be SO easy to push. Wake up! I'm singing from old Marx's song book. There's a first. Dai Rear
  • Score: 1

5:00pm Mon 23 Jun 14

KarloMarko says...

You just watch Special Branch doesn't coming knocking!!!
You just watch Special Branch doesn't coming knocking!!! KarloMarko
  • Score: 3

5:33pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Magor says...

If Newport West was Tory then this would not be happening so close to an election but as there are no Tory MPs round here they are not bothered.After all its not even in England.
If Newport West was Tory then this would not be happening so close to an election but as there are no Tory MPs round here they are not bothered.After all its not even in England. Magor
  • Score: 36

5:34pm Mon 23 Jun 14

displayed says...

"Government-run Ministry of Justice (MoJ) Shared Services centre at Celtic Springs Business Park, Newport, were told today that their jobs could be privatised"

There is no justice!
"Government-run Ministry of Justice (MoJ) Shared Services centre at Celtic Springs Business Park, Newport, were told today that their jobs could be privatised" There is no justice! displayed
  • Score: 7

5:46pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Dai Rear says...

I suppose that when you got the banana republic "re-branding" of the Lord Chancellor's Department as "The Ministry of Justice" all sorts of carp, like this, become inevitable
I suppose that when you got the banana republic "re-branding" of the Lord Chancellor's Department as "The Ministry of Justice" all sorts of carp, like this, become inevitable Dai Rear
  • Score: -2

5:49pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Dai Rear says...

Magor wrote:
If Newport West was Tory then this would not be happening so close to an election but as there are no Tory MPs round here they are not bothered.After all its not even in England.
I think Cameron thought he'd done his bit by legalizing marriages between people and sheep-oh, sorry, he didn't get that one on the statute book, did he?
[quote][p][bold]Magor[/bold] wrote: If Newport West was Tory then this would not be happening so close to an election but as there are no Tory MPs round here they are not bothered.After all its not even in England.[/p][/quote]I think Cameron thought he'd done his bit by legalizing marriages between people and sheep-oh, sorry, he didn't get that one on the statute book, did he? Dai Rear
  • Score: -17

8:10pm Mon 23 Jun 14

BobEvams2014 says...

Reports indicate that the company are unhappy with the red tape such as TUPE and the obstructional attitude of the trade union in this matter.

TUPE means that the taking over company inherit the current totally lazy ineffeicent Welsh workforce who are paid too much and are unable to sack them and replace them with cheaper more capable staff.

When UKIP win the next General Election TUPE will abolished enabling hard working businessmen to employ who they want at the rate they want to run their buisness, and sack or cut the pay of the existing workforce.

UKIP will also make all Trade Unions illeagal organisations, Union leaders, representatives etc will be arrested and deatained indeffinatley or untill suitable charges can be invented, sorry found, which ever is longest.
Reports indicate that the company are unhappy with the red tape such as TUPE and the obstructional attitude of the trade union in this matter. TUPE means that the taking over company inherit the current totally lazy ineffeicent Welsh workforce who are paid too much and are unable to sack them and replace them with cheaper more capable staff. When UKIP win the next General Election TUPE will abolished enabling hard working businessmen to employ who they want at the rate they want to run their buisness, and sack or cut the pay of the existing workforce. UKIP will also make all Trade Unions illeagal organisations, Union leaders, representatives etc will be arrested and deatained indeffinatley or untill suitable charges can be invented, sorry found, which ever is longest. BobEvams2014
  • Score: -13

9:35pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Abertillery29 says...

When will Government learn what private companies have learnt. If you go offshore you lose customers and get many more complaints about how you handle your customers/business. I am not racist but find it very difficult to deal with someone on the Indian sub-continent who can only deal with you if you stick to the script they have been given. However I have found that if you keep asking you will be put through to a call centre in the UK.
When will Government learn what private companies have learnt. If you go offshore you lose customers and get many more complaints about how you handle your customers/business. I am not racist but find it very difficult to deal with someone on the Indian sub-continent who can only deal with you if you stick to the script they have been given. However I have found that if you keep asking you will be put through to a call centre in the UK. Abertillery29
  • Score: -7

4:23am Tue 24 Jun 14

bravoscar says...

Will they all get a british passports if they've worked for the British civil service?
Must be great sponsors
Will they all get a british passports if they've worked for the British civil service? Must be great sponsors bravoscar
  • Score: 0

9:06am Tue 24 Jun 14

Hevsym says...

I had an interview a few weeks ago for this place and got the job. They were looking to take on 14 people. I was successful but turned the job down to take another job...boy am I glad. Why were they taking on staff?
I had an interview a few weeks ago for this place and got the job. They were looking to take on 14 people. I was successful but turned the job down to take another job...boy am I glad. Why were they taking on staff? Hevsym
  • Score: 11

11:23am Tue 24 Jun 14

Good Job No Kids says...

Magor wrote:
If Newport West was Tory then this would not be happening so close to an election but as there are no Tory MPs round here they are not bothered.After all its not even in England.
Easy answer, vote tory and rid Wales of the Labour party that has done nothing for the people of Wales.
[quote][p][bold]Magor[/bold] wrote: If Newport West was Tory then this would not be happening so close to an election but as there are no Tory MPs round here they are not bothered.After all its not even in England.[/p][/quote]Easy answer, vote tory and rid Wales of the Labour party that has done nothing for the people of Wales. Good Job No Kids
  • Score: -17

12:06pm Tue 24 Jun 14

poolerbou says...

I am one of the people who's job is under threat. Whilst i find it lovely that the unions are pushing for the jobs to be kept in britain, what about us here in newport. Sscl only has one office in wales and that houses the dwp which is being closed down. Unless the work stays within south wales then really whether its england, india or the moon doesnt make a difference to the people in newport as we will all be out of a job
I am one of the people who's job is under threat. Whilst i find it lovely that the unions are pushing for the jobs to be kept in britain, what about us here in newport. Sscl only has one office in wales and that houses the dwp which is being closed down. Unless the work stays within south wales then really whether its england, india or the moon doesnt make a difference to the people in newport as we will all be out of a job poolerbou
  • Score: 23

1:04pm Tue 24 Jun 14

Ethel24 says...

I am one of those who will be potentially losing a job. I have had a great time since joining and have seen so many highs. If we weren't good at what we do why would we have started just with HMPS then keep adding to our client list. We obviously must be doing something right as a workforce. So my question is why break it if it isn't broken. We have recently taken on NPS, to our already long list of clients. So tell me if it is just about money some of you fat cats take pay cuts instead swallowing decent hardworking class peoples money. Yes I suppose some may say it's irony seen as we opened at the expense of people working in the Prison Admin side of things. I just hope that someone somewhere is looking down and will not close the place down so that me and my colleagues have a secure future. Although with Steria track record I do not hold out much hope :'(
I am one of those who will be potentially losing a job. I have had a great time since joining and have seen so many highs. If we weren't good at what we do why would we have started just with HMPS then keep adding to our client list. We obviously must be doing something right as a workforce. So my question is why break it if it isn't broken. We have recently taken on NPS, to our already long list of clients. So tell me if it is just about money some of you fat cats take pay cuts instead swallowing decent hardworking class peoples money. Yes I suppose some may say it's irony seen as we opened at the expense of people working in the Prison Admin side of things. I just hope that someone somewhere is looking down and will not close the place down so that me and my colleagues have a secure future. Although with Steria track record I do not hold out much hope :'( Ethel24
  • Score: 20

1:50pm Tue 24 Jun 14

Jenny122 says...

I used to work there and (thankfully!) left for a much better job. Firstly would like to say that it is unfortunate on some of the admin staff there, there are some genuine hard workers.

However what people might not know is that your tax money currently goes toward the managers there that are paid an extremely extortionate salary (43k minumum) including 2 bonuses each year upto £5000. These are just your basic team managers and there is an unnecessary amount of them. The vast majority are not qualified or experienced enough to clean the streets, let alone manage a team of people. They got there jobs through having relations with other managers or just by looking pretty and are appointed to ride on the back of the generous civil service pay and pension scheme. I know people that have worked hard since the day it opened, applied for every promotion opportunity only to be turned down again and again. The little people (as some of them actually referred to us as) do all of the hard work and get very little in return.

To these so called "managers" I say good riddance - I look forward to seeing some of them flipping burgers and serving me fries in a few months time.
I used to work there and (thankfully!) left for a much better job. Firstly would like to say that it is unfortunate on some of the admin staff there, there are some genuine hard workers. However what people might not know is that your tax money currently goes toward the managers there that are paid an extremely extortionate salary (43k minumum) including 2 bonuses each year upto £5000. These are just your basic team managers and there is an unnecessary amount of them. The vast majority are not qualified or experienced enough to clean the streets, let alone manage a team of people. They got there jobs through having relations with other managers or just by looking pretty and are appointed to ride on the back of the generous civil service pay and pension scheme. I know people that have worked hard since the day it opened, applied for every promotion opportunity only to be turned down again and again. The little people (as some of them actually referred to us as) do all of the hard work and get very little in return. To these so called "managers" I say good riddance - I look forward to seeing some of them flipping burgers and serving me fries in a few months time. Jenny122
  • Score: 10

7:52pm Tue 24 Jun 14

Mr Angry says...

The wonderful British Employer - without a doubt the worst in the World.

The SSC is a sucess story, due to the hard work of the employees. It started with the just the Prison Service and a handful of employees, these employees make no bones about it were good, and as a result it expanded and took on more Government Departments, The Home Office Probation Service etc and more jobs created.

The reward for all this hard work - jobs handed over to an employer who after taking over the DWP in Cardiff sacked all the staff and off shored jobs to India.

The Moral of the story work hard - do the right thing make your workplace a success , and get sacked !
The wonderful British Employer - without a doubt the worst in the World. The SSC is a sucess story, due to the hard work of the employees. It started with the just the Prison Service and a handful of employees, these employees make no bones about it were good, and as a result it expanded and took on more Government Departments, The Home Office Probation Service etc and more jobs created. The reward for all this hard work - jobs handed over to an employer who after taking over the DWP in Cardiff sacked all the staff and off shored jobs to India. The Moral of the story work hard - do the right thing make your workplace a success , and get sacked ! Mr Angry
  • Score: 11

8:53pm Tue 24 Jun 14

ryan018 says...

SSCL took over where I work last November and promised our jobs were safe for one year. Just 5 months later into March 14 we were told the office is closing Oct 15. We knew it would happen but the bottom line is staff did not fight for their jobs and have now paid the ultimate price, MOJ Newport need to learn from our mistakes. Also this week we have staff from steria India at our office to perform a "feasibility" study to see what work can be off-shored. The ultimate insult!
SSCL took over where I work last November and promised our jobs were safe for one year. Just 5 months later into March 14 we were told the office is closing Oct 15. We knew it would happen but the bottom line is staff did not fight for their jobs and have now paid the ultimate price, MOJ Newport need to learn from our mistakes. Also this week we have staff from steria India at our office to perform a "feasibility" study to see what work can be off-shored. The ultimate insult! ryan018
  • Score: 12

8:56pm Tue 24 Jun 14

Mr Angry says...

ryan018 wrote:
SSCL took over where I work last November and promised our jobs were safe for one year. Just 5 months later into March 14 we were told the office is closing Oct 15. We knew it would happen but the bottom line is staff did not fight for their jobs and have now paid the ultimate price, MOJ Newport need to learn from our mistakes. Also this week we have staff from steria India at our office to perform a "feasibility" study to see what work can be off-shored. The ultimate insult!
If I were you mate Id tell them where to go, and walk out of the building when they walk in
[quote][p][bold]ryan018[/bold] wrote: SSCL took over where I work last November and promised our jobs were safe for one year. Just 5 months later into March 14 we were told the office is closing Oct 15. We knew it would happen but the bottom line is staff did not fight for their jobs and have now paid the ultimate price, MOJ Newport need to learn from our mistakes. Also this week we have staff from steria India at our office to perform a "feasibility" study to see what work can be off-shored. The ultimate insult![/p][/quote]If I were you mate Id tell them where to go, and walk out of the building when they walk in Mr Angry
  • Score: 6

9:39pm Tue 24 Jun 14

Ethel24 says...

Jenny122 wrote:
I used to work there and (thankfully!) left for a much better job. Firstly would like to say that it is unfortunate on some of the admin staff there, there are some genuine hard workers.

However what people might not know is that your tax money currently goes toward the managers there that are paid an extremely extortionate salary (43k minumum) including 2 bonuses each year upto £5000. These are just your basic team managers and there is an unnecessary amount of them. The vast majority are not qualified or experienced enough to clean the streets, let alone manage a team of people. They got there jobs through having relations with other managers or just by looking pretty and are appointed to ride on the back of the generous civil service pay and pension scheme. I know people that have worked hard since the day it opened, applied for every promotion opportunity only to be turned down again and again. The little people (as some of them actually referred to us as) do all of the hard work and get very little in return.

To these so called "managers" I say good riddance - I look forward to seeing some of them flipping burgers and serving me fries in a few months time.
Well done for getting a new job. However if you honestly felt this why did you not raise it when you were working for SSC. I am not a Manager, so can't comment on the bonuses you talk about. I work within HR section and believestrongly that my HR Service Manager would not allow the I slept with someone so they should be promoted b/s you talk about. The HR Service Manager is well respected by everyone I know within SSC. She is a fantastic human being who deserves a lot of credit for how she has handled the set up of HR Department!!!
[quote][p][bold]Jenny122[/bold] wrote: I used to work there and (thankfully!) left for a much better job. Firstly would like to say that it is unfortunate on some of the admin staff there, there are some genuine hard workers. However what people might not know is that your tax money currently goes toward the managers there that are paid an extremely extortionate salary (43k minumum) including 2 bonuses each year upto £5000. These are just your basic team managers and there is an unnecessary amount of them. The vast majority are not qualified or experienced enough to clean the streets, let alone manage a team of people. They got there jobs through having relations with other managers or just by looking pretty and are appointed to ride on the back of the generous civil service pay and pension scheme. I know people that have worked hard since the day it opened, applied for every promotion opportunity only to be turned down again and again. The little people (as some of them actually referred to us as) do all of the hard work and get very little in return. To these so called "managers" I say good riddance - I look forward to seeing some of them flipping burgers and serving me fries in a few months time.[/p][/quote]Well done for getting a new job. However if you honestly felt this why did you not raise it when you were working for SSC. I am not a Manager, so can't comment on the bonuses you talk about. I work within HR section and believestrongly that my HR Service Manager would not allow the I slept with someone so they should be promoted b/s you talk about. The HR Service Manager is well respected by everyone I know within SSC. She is a fantastic human being who deserves a lot of credit for how she has handled the set up of HR Department!!! Ethel24
  • Score: 4

6:34am Wed 25 Jun 14

Lovemyjob says...

Ethel24 wrote:
Jenny122 wrote:
I used to work there and (thankfully!) left for a much better job. Firstly would like to say that it is unfortunate on some of the admin staff there, there are some genuine hard workers.

However what people might not know is that your tax money currently goes toward the managers there that are paid an extremely extortionate salary (43k minumum) including 2 bonuses each year upto £5000. These are just your basic team managers and there is an unnecessary amount of them. The vast majority are not qualified or experienced enough to clean the streets, let alone manage a team of people. They got there jobs through having relations with other managers or just by looking pretty and are appointed to ride on the back of the generous civil service pay and pension scheme. I know people that have worked hard since the day it opened, applied for every promotion opportunity only to be turned down again and again. The little people (as some of them actually referred to us as) do all of the hard work and get very little in return.

To these so called "managers" I say good riddance - I look forward to seeing some of them flipping burgers and serving me fries in a few months time.
Well done for getting a new job. However if you honestly felt this why did you not raise it when you were working for SSC. I am not a Manager, so can't comment on the bonuses you talk about. I work within HR section and believestrongly that my HR Service Manager would not allow the I slept with someone so they should be promoted b/s you talk about. The HR Service Manager is well respected by everyone I know within SSC. She is a fantastic human being who deserves a lot of credit for how she has handled the set up of HR Department!!!
Come on people - let's be honest... Jenny is right! There is a culture of who's 'in' with who . I interviewed 12 candidates for 1 internal post -used the new civil service competency guide, had a clear winner but my senior manager did not like that person who came out on top. Made me review my scores with the comment of "think carefully, it would do you good to appoint xxxxxx". . And then there is members of staff "friends of senior managers" suddenly appearing in highly paid posts. The open and fair recruitment process is poorly followed. And the best bit - the service managers do nothing to stop it - surely their eyes can't be closed all the time. But It is a great place to work and it is the "little people" that work hard there and make it that. There are too many managers and managers managers with little to do other than put pressure on staff and push them to hide their failings, resist change as they can't keep up! But i think if any SSC staff are reading this they will agree that a lot of change needs to be made. Would this take over be so bad -staff recognised for their achievements, paid fairly and treated equally? Currently Managers are not accountable for their actions, they hide under the cloak of the civil service. Staff are stressed out, lack of openness and honestly -this announcement was supposed to be given in Jan 14 but senior staff chose to hide info and were sloppy in getting this all sorted all add to the bad, hidden side of this business.

As to raising poor management/ treatment ,and why not say something - well come on ETHEL24 - if you work there look around you , staff that speak up never go further in their career , their card is marked so let's be honest - we, the little people , allow it to be like that because we are afraid of loosing our jobs, being labelled but clicky management as difficult, so we have to let it happen because there is no other way. And don't even suggest a grievance process , can you imagine!!! As for the future Only those who do little have something to worry about . The honest, good working staff , of whom there are very many, will be looked after and privitastion can be good so I say best of luck to the staff of SSC who deserve to keep their jobs.
[quote][p][bold]Ethel24[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jenny122[/bold] wrote: I used to work there and (thankfully!) left for a much better job. Firstly would like to say that it is unfortunate on some of the admin staff there, there are some genuine hard workers. However what people might not know is that your tax money currently goes toward the managers there that are paid an extremely extortionate salary (43k minumum) including 2 bonuses each year upto £5000. These are just your basic team managers and there is an unnecessary amount of them. The vast majority are not qualified or experienced enough to clean the streets, let alone manage a team of people. They got there jobs through having relations with other managers or just by looking pretty and are appointed to ride on the back of the generous civil service pay and pension scheme. I know people that have worked hard since the day it opened, applied for every promotion opportunity only to be turned down again and again. The little people (as some of them actually referred to us as) do all of the hard work and get very little in return. To these so called "managers" I say good riddance - I look forward to seeing some of them flipping burgers and serving me fries in a few months time.[/p][/quote]Well done for getting a new job. However if you honestly felt this why did you not raise it when you were working for SSC. I am not a Manager, so can't comment on the bonuses you talk about. I work within HR section and believestrongly that my HR Service Manager would not allow the I slept with someone so they should be promoted b/s you talk about. The HR Service Manager is well respected by everyone I know within SSC. She is a fantastic human being who deserves a lot of credit for how she has handled the set up of HR Department!!![/p][/quote]Come on people - let's be honest... Jenny is right! There is a culture of who's 'in' with who . I interviewed 12 candidates for 1 internal post -used the new civil service competency guide, had a clear winner but my senior manager did not like that person who came out on top. Made me review my scores with the comment of "think carefully, it would do you good to appoint xxxxxx". . And then there is members of staff "friends of senior managers" suddenly appearing in highly paid posts. The open and fair recruitment process is poorly followed. And the best bit - the service managers do nothing to stop it - surely their eyes can't be closed all the time. But It is a great place to work and it is the "little people" that work hard there and make it that. There are too many managers and managers managers with little to do other than put pressure on staff and push them to hide their failings, resist change as they can't keep up! But i think if any SSC staff are reading this they will agree that a lot of change needs to be made. Would this take over be so bad -staff recognised for their achievements, paid fairly and treated equally? Currently Managers are not accountable for their actions, they hide under the cloak of the civil service. Staff are stressed out, lack of openness and honestly -this announcement was supposed to be given in Jan 14 but senior staff chose to hide info and were sloppy in getting this all sorted all add to the bad, hidden side of this business. As to raising poor management/ treatment ,and why not say something - well come on ETHEL24 - if you work there look around you , staff that speak up never go further in their career , their card is marked so let's be honest - we, the little people , allow it to be like that because we are afraid of loosing our jobs, being labelled but clicky management as difficult, so we have to let it happen because there is no other way. And don't even suggest a grievance process , can you imagine!!! As for the future Only those who do little have something to worry about . The honest, good working staff , of whom there are very many, will be looked after and privitastion can be good so I say best of luck to the staff of SSC who deserve to keep their jobs. Lovemyjob
  • Score: 7

8:15am Wed 25 Jun 14

Ethel24 says...

Lovemyjob wrote:
Ethel24 wrote:
Jenny122 wrote:
I used to work there and (thankfully!) left for a much better job. Firstly would like to say that it is unfortunate on some of the admin staff there, there are some genuine hard workers.

However what people might not know is that your tax money currently goes toward the managers there that are paid an extremely extortionate salary (43k minumum) including 2 bonuses each year upto £5000. These are just your basic team managers and there is an unnecessary amount of them. The vast majority are not qualified or experienced enough to clean the streets, let alone manage a team of people. They got there jobs through having relations with other managers or just by looking pretty and are appointed to ride on the back of the generous civil service pay and pension scheme. I know people that have worked hard since the day it opened, applied for every promotion opportunity only to be turned down again and again. The little people (as some of them actually referred to us as) do all of the hard work and get very little in return.

To these so called "managers" I say good riddance - I look forward to seeing some of them flipping burgers and serving me fries in a few months time.
Well done for getting a new job. However if you honestly felt this why did you not raise it when you were working for SSC. I am not a Manager, so can't comment on the bonuses you talk about. I work within HR section and believestrongly that my HR Service Manager would not allow the I slept with someone so they should be promoted b/s you talk about. The HR Service Manager is well respected by everyone I know within SSC. She is a fantastic human being who deserves a lot of credit for how she has handled the set up of HR Department!!!
Come on people - let's be honest... Jenny is right! There is a culture of who's 'in' with who . I interviewed 12 candidates for 1 internal post -used the new civil service competency guide, had a clear winner but my senior manager did not like that person who came out on top. Made me review my scores with the comment of "think carefully, it would do you good to appoint xxxxxx". . And then there is members of staff "friends of senior managers" suddenly appearing in highly paid posts. The open and fair recruitment process is poorly followed. And the best bit - the service managers do nothing to stop it - surely their eyes can't be closed all the time. But It is a great place to work and it is the "little people" that work hard there and make it that. There are too many managers and managers managers with little to do other than put pressure on staff and push them to hide their failings, resist change as they can't keep up! But i think if any SSC staff are reading this they will agree that a lot of change needs to be made. Would this take over be so bad -staff recognised for their achievements, paid fairly and treated equally? Currently Managers are not accountable for their actions, they hide under the cloak of the civil service. Staff are stressed out, lack of openness and honestly -this announcement was supposed to be given in Jan 14 but senior staff chose to hide info and were sloppy in getting this all sorted all add to the bad, hidden side of this business.

As to raising poor management/ treatment ,and why not say something - well come on ETHEL24 - if you work there look around you , staff that speak up never go further in their career , their card is marked so let's be honest - we, the little people , allow it to be like that because we are afraid of loosing our jobs, being labelled but clicky management as difficult, so we have to let it happen because there is no other way. And don't even suggest a grievance process , can you imagine!!! As for the future Only those who do little have something to worry about . The honest, good working staff , of whom there are very many, will be looked after and privitastion can be good so I say best of luck to the staff of SSC who deserve to keep their jobs.
Why thank you for the insight in my office. Yes certain areas need looking at, but seriously which department are you referring to as from what I see and here as I have raised a grievance and won it in fact so, please tell me where the grievance process doea not work??? If someone truely believes they are that hard done by stand up and fight the issue. Don't just sit back and do nothing about it. As I said I work within the HR Department and honestly believe the HR Service Manager MG is the best there is and will do all she can to make this change as easy as possible as she has done her whole career at SSC. Total respect for her
[quote][p][bold]Lovemyjob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ethel24[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jenny122[/bold] wrote: I used to work there and (thankfully!) left for a much better job. Firstly would like to say that it is unfortunate on some of the admin staff there, there are some genuine hard workers. However what people might not know is that your tax money currently goes toward the managers there that are paid an extremely extortionate salary (43k minumum) including 2 bonuses each year upto £5000. These are just your basic team managers and there is an unnecessary amount of them. The vast majority are not qualified or experienced enough to clean the streets, let alone manage a team of people. They got there jobs through having relations with other managers or just by looking pretty and are appointed to ride on the back of the generous civil service pay and pension scheme. I know people that have worked hard since the day it opened, applied for every promotion opportunity only to be turned down again and again. The little people (as some of them actually referred to us as) do all of the hard work and get very little in return. To these so called "managers" I say good riddance - I look forward to seeing some of them flipping burgers and serving me fries in a few months time.[/p][/quote]Well done for getting a new job. However if you honestly felt this why did you not raise it when you were working for SSC. I am not a Manager, so can't comment on the bonuses you talk about. I work within HR section and believestrongly that my HR Service Manager would not allow the I slept with someone so they should be promoted b/s you talk about. The HR Service Manager is well respected by everyone I know within SSC. She is a fantastic human being who deserves a lot of credit for how she has handled the set up of HR Department!!![/p][/quote]Come on people - let's be honest... Jenny is right! There is a culture of who's 'in' with who . I interviewed 12 candidates for 1 internal post -used the new civil service competency guide, had a clear winner but my senior manager did not like that person who came out on top. Made me review my scores with the comment of "think carefully, it would do you good to appoint xxxxxx". . And then there is members of staff "friends of senior managers" suddenly appearing in highly paid posts. The open and fair recruitment process is poorly followed. And the best bit - the service managers do nothing to stop it - surely their eyes can't be closed all the time. But It is a great place to work and it is the "little people" that work hard there and make it that. There are too many managers and managers managers with little to do other than put pressure on staff and push them to hide their failings, resist change as they can't keep up! But i think if any SSC staff are reading this they will agree that a lot of change needs to be made. Would this take over be so bad -staff recognised for their achievements, paid fairly and treated equally? Currently Managers are not accountable for their actions, they hide under the cloak of the civil service. Staff are stressed out, lack of openness and honestly -this announcement was supposed to be given in Jan 14 but senior staff chose to hide info and were sloppy in getting this all sorted all add to the bad, hidden side of this business. As to raising poor management/ treatment ,and why not say something - well come on ETHEL24 - if you work there look around you , staff that speak up never go further in their career , their card is marked so let's be honest - we, the little people , allow it to be like that because we are afraid of loosing our jobs, being labelled but clicky management as difficult, so we have to let it happen because there is no other way. And don't even suggest a grievance process , can you imagine!!! As for the future Only those who do little have something to worry about . The honest, good working staff , of whom there are very many, will be looked after and privitastion can be good so I say best of luck to the staff of SSC who deserve to keep their jobs.[/p][/quote]Why thank you for the insight in my office. Yes certain areas need looking at, but seriously which department are you referring to as from what I see and here as I have raised a grievance and won it in fact so, please tell me where the grievance process doea not work??? If someone truely believes they are that hard done by stand up and fight the issue. Don't just sit back and do nothing about it. As I said I work within the HR Department and honestly believe the HR Service Manager MG is the best there is and will do all she can to make this change as easy as possible as she has done her whole career at SSC. Total respect for her Ethel24
  • Score: 0

10:04am Wed 25 Jun 14

Ethel24 says...

Lovemyjob wrote:
Ethel24 wrote:
Jenny122 wrote: I used to work there and (thankfully!) left for a much better job. Firstly would like to say that it is unfortunate on some of the admin staff there, there are some genuine hard workers. However what people might not know is that your tax money currently goes toward the managers there that are paid an extremely extortionate salary (43k minumum) including 2 bonuses each year upto £5000. These are just your basic team managers and there is an unnecessary amount of them. The vast majority are not qualified or experienced enough to clean the streets, let alone manage a team of people. They got there jobs through having relations with other managers or just by looking pretty and are appointed to ride on the back of the generous civil service pay and pension scheme. I know people that have worked hard since the day it opened, applied for every promotion opportunity only to be turned down again and again. The little people (as some of them actually referred to us as) do all of the hard work and get very little in return. To these so called "managers" I say good riddance - I look forward to seeing some of them flipping burgers and serving me fries in a few months time.
Well done for getting a new job. However if you honestly felt this why did you not raise it when you were working for SSC. I am not a Manager, so can't comment on the bonuses you talk about. I work within HR section and believestrongly that my HR Service Manager would not allow the I slept with someone so they should be promoted b/s you talk about. The HR Service Manager is well respected by everyone I know within SSC. She is a fantastic human being who deserves a lot of credit for how she has handled the set up of HR Department!!!
Come on people - let's be honest... Jenny is right! There is a culture of who's 'in' with who . I interviewed 12 candidates for 1 internal post -used the new civil service competency guide, had a clear winner but my senior manager did not like that person who came out on top. Made me review my scores with the comment of "think carefully, it would do you good to appoint xxxxxx". . And then there is members of staff "friends of senior managers" suddenly appearing in highly paid posts. The open and fair recruitment process is poorly followed. And the best bit - the service managers do nothing to stop it - surely their eyes can't be closed all the time. But It is a great place to work and it is the "little people" that work hard there and make it that. There are too many managers and managers managers with little to do other than put pressure on staff and push them to hide their failings, resist change as they can't keep up! But i think if any SSC staff are reading this they will agree that a lot of change needs to be made. Would this take over be so bad -staff recognised for their achievements, paid fairly and treated equally? Currently Managers are not accountable for their actions, they hide under the cloak of the civil service. Staff are stressed out, lack of openness and honestly -this announcement was supposed to be given in Jan 14 but senior staff chose to hide info and were sloppy in getting this all sorted all add to the bad, hidden side of this business. As to raising poor management/ treatment ,and why not say something - well come on ETHEL24 - if you work there look around you , staff that speak up never go further in their career , their card is marked so let's be honest - we, the little people , allow it to be like that because we are afraid of loosing our jobs, being labelled but clicky management as difficult, so we have to let it happen because there is no other way. And don't even suggest a grievance process , can you imagine!!! As for the future Only those who do little have something to worry about . The honest, good working staff , of whom there are very many, will be looked after and privitastion can be good so I say best of luck to the staff of SSC who deserve to keep their jobs.
SO NAME & SHAME THEM. Have you since left having been "told" to change your opinion on who should get the post? Any workplace has problems, but that does not mean everyone should lose their jobs for some peoples mistakes. I for one enjoy my job at the SSC and long may it continue, but sadly this is highly unlikely. I know every office has some "clicks" so to be honest it doesn't matter who you work for you will get some of that going on in a business. I just hope I can continue my learning and development at the SSC even with Steria taking over. Just as long as I do not lose my job due to this I do not care who pays my wages to assist me with meeting bill payments and caring and getting the best for my family.
[quote][p][bold]Lovemyjob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ethel24[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jenny122[/bold] wrote: I used to work there and (thankfully!) left for a much better job. Firstly would like to say that it is unfortunate on some of the admin staff there, there are some genuine hard workers. However what people might not know is that your tax money currently goes toward the managers there that are paid an extremely extortionate salary (43k minumum) including 2 bonuses each year upto £5000. These are just your basic team managers and there is an unnecessary amount of them. The vast majority are not qualified or experienced enough to clean the streets, let alone manage a team of people. They got there jobs through having relations with other managers or just by looking pretty and are appointed to ride on the back of the generous civil service pay and pension scheme. I know people that have worked hard since the day it opened, applied for every promotion opportunity only to be turned down again and again. The little people (as some of them actually referred to us as) do all of the hard work and get very little in return. To these so called "managers" I say good riddance - I look forward to seeing some of them flipping burgers and serving me fries in a few months time.[/p][/quote]Well done for getting a new job. However if you honestly felt this why did you not raise it when you were working for SSC. I am not a Manager, so can't comment on the bonuses you talk about. I work within HR section and believestrongly that my HR Service Manager would not allow the I slept with someone so they should be promoted b/s you talk about. The HR Service Manager is well respected by everyone I know within SSC. She is a fantastic human being who deserves a lot of credit for how she has handled the set up of HR Department!!![/p][/quote]Come on people - let's be honest... Jenny is right! There is a culture of who's 'in' with who . I interviewed 12 candidates for 1 internal post -used the new civil service competency guide, had a clear winner but my senior manager did not like that person who came out on top. Made me review my scores with the comment of "think carefully, it would do you good to appoint xxxxxx". . And then there is members of staff "friends of senior managers" suddenly appearing in highly paid posts. The open and fair recruitment process is poorly followed. And the best bit - the service managers do nothing to stop it - surely their eyes can't be closed all the time. But It is a great place to work and it is the "little people" that work hard there and make it that. There are too many managers and managers managers with little to do other than put pressure on staff and push them to hide their failings, resist change as they can't keep up! But i think if any SSC staff are reading this they will agree that a lot of change needs to be made. Would this take over be so bad -staff recognised for their achievements, paid fairly and treated equally? Currently Managers are not accountable for their actions, they hide under the cloak of the civil service. Staff are stressed out, lack of openness and honestly -this announcement was supposed to be given in Jan 14 but senior staff chose to hide info and were sloppy in getting this all sorted all add to the bad, hidden side of this business. As to raising poor management/ treatment ,and why not say something - well come on ETHEL24 - if you work there look around you , staff that speak up never go further in their career , their card is marked so let's be honest - we, the little people , allow it to be like that because we are afraid of loosing our jobs, being labelled but clicky management as difficult, so we have to let it happen because there is no other way. And don't even suggest a grievance process , can you imagine!!! As for the future Only those who do little have something to worry about . The honest, good working staff , of whom there are very many, will be looked after and privitastion can be good so I say best of luck to the staff of SSC who deserve to keep their jobs.[/p][/quote]SO NAME & SHAME THEM. Have you since left having been "told" to change your opinion on who should get the post? Any workplace has problems, but that does not mean everyone should lose their jobs for some peoples mistakes. I for one enjoy my job at the SSC and long may it continue, but sadly this is highly unlikely. I know every office has some "clicks" so to be honest it doesn't matter who you work for you will get some of that going on in a business. I just hope I can continue my learning and development at the SSC even with Steria taking over. Just as long as I do not lose my job due to this I do not care who pays my wages to assist me with meeting bill payments and caring and getting the best for my family. Ethel24
  • Score: 5

10:30am Wed 25 Jun 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

Dai Rear wrote:
"All options will be evaluated to make sure they provide value for taxpayers' money," she said. "We will work with staff, trade unions and other stakeholders to assess any impacts on staff"
How do I get value, paying dole for 1000 people and their families in Wales? How do I get value when the balance of trade is skewed against this non-manufacturing country and I've to pay billions of rupees to India?
Does Madam suppose that it would have any "impact" on her to be chucked out of work?
Oh sorry, I forgot. It doesn't affect London so it doesn't matter in the slightest.
What's the name of the government cretin who shot him/her/it/self in the foot with this garbage?
Spot on.
As you say, it doesn't affect London and as we are now devolved, we have to lump it.
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: "All options will be evaluated to make sure they provide value for taxpayers' money," she said. "We will work with staff, trade unions and other stakeholders to assess any impacts on staff" How do I get value, paying dole for 1000 people and their families in Wales? How do I get value when the balance of trade is skewed against this non-manufacturing country and I've to pay billions of rupees to India? Does Madam suppose that it would have any "impact" on her to be chucked out of work? Oh sorry, I forgot. It doesn't affect London so it doesn't matter in the slightest. What's the name of the government cretin who shot him/her/it/self in the foot with this garbage?[/p][/quote]Spot on. As you say, it doesn't affect London and as we are now devolved, we have to lump it. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: -6

4:58pm Wed 25 Jun 14

SelizW says...

BobEvams2014 wrote:
Reports indicate that the company are unhappy with the red tape such as TUPE and the obstructional attitude of the trade union in this matter.

TUPE means that the taking over company inherit the current totally lazy ineffeicent Welsh workforce who are paid too much and are unable to sack them and replace them with cheaper more capable staff.

When UKIP win the next General Election TUPE will abolished enabling hard working businessmen to employ who they want at the rate they want to run their buisness, and sack or cut the pay of the existing workforce.

UKIP will also make all Trade Unions illeagal organisations, Union leaders, representatives etc will be arrested and deatained indeffinatley or untill suitable charges can be invented, sorry found, which ever is longest.
If you don't think we are as good as we could be; at least we can spell!! Unlike you!!
[quote][p][bold]BobEvams2014[/bold] wrote: Reports indicate that the company are unhappy with the red tape such as TUPE and the obstructional attitude of the trade union in this matter. TUPE means that the taking over company inherit the current totally lazy ineffeicent Welsh workforce who are paid too much and are unable to sack them and replace them with cheaper more capable staff. When UKIP win the next General Election TUPE will abolished enabling hard working businessmen to employ who they want at the rate they want to run their buisness, and sack or cut the pay of the existing workforce. UKIP will also make all Trade Unions illeagal organisations, Union leaders, representatives etc will be arrested and deatained indeffinatley or untill suitable charges can be invented, sorry found, which ever is longest.[/p][/quote]If you don't think we are as good as we could be; at least we can spell!! Unlike you!! SelizW
  • Score: -2

6:03pm Wed 25 Jun 14

chop11 says...

When the other government departments start moving their work to Steria then it's not just South Wales that will suffer. This is UK government work for crikey's sake and the work should stay within the UK. Those who came up with this idea should be shot. I am embarrassed to have a government who does this to their loyal staff and trusting voters.
When the other government departments start moving their work to Steria then it's not just South Wales that will suffer. This is UK government work for crikey's sake and the work should stay within the UK. Those who came up with this idea should be shot. I am embarrassed to have a government who does this to their loyal staff and trusting voters. chop11
  • Score: 6

6:24pm Wed 25 Jun 14

helper7 says...

SelizW wrote:
BobEvams2014 wrote:
Reports indicate that the company are unhappy with the red tape such as TUPE and the obstructional attitude of the trade union in this matter.

TUPE means that the taking over company inherit the current totally lazy ineffeicent Welsh workforce who are paid too much and are unable to sack them and replace them with cheaper more capable staff.

When UKIP win the next General Election TUPE will abolished enabling hard working businessmen to employ who they want at the rate they want to run their buisness, and sack or cut the pay of the existing workforce.

UKIP will also make all Trade Unions illeagal organisations, Union leaders, representatives etc will be arrested and deatained indeffinatley or untill suitable charges can be invented, sorry found, which ever is longest.
If you don't think we are as good as we could be; at least we can spell!! Unlike you!!
Well done mate, your Reverse psychology is having great effect!!
Ha! Ha! Ha! .... I nearly went to ethiopia.
[quote][p][bold]SelizW[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BobEvams2014[/bold] wrote: Reports indicate that the company are unhappy with the red tape such as TUPE and the obstructional attitude of the trade union in this matter. TUPE means that the taking over company inherit the current totally lazy ineffeicent Welsh workforce who are paid too much and are unable to sack them and replace them with cheaper more capable staff. When UKIP win the next General Election TUPE will abolished enabling hard working businessmen to employ who they want at the rate they want to run their buisness, and sack or cut the pay of the existing workforce. UKIP will also make all Trade Unions illeagal organisations, Union leaders, representatives etc will be arrested and deatained indeffinatley or untill suitable charges can be invented, sorry found, which ever is longest.[/p][/quote]If you don't think we are as good as we could be; at least we can spell!! Unlike you!![/p][/quote]Well done mate, your Reverse psychology is having great effect!! Ha! Ha! Ha! .... I nearly went to ethiopia. helper7
  • Score: 11

7:25pm Wed 25 Jun 14

SelizW says...

Ethel24 wrote:
Lovemyjob wrote:
Ethel24 wrote:
Jenny122 wrote: I used to work there and (thankfully!) left for a much better job. Firstly would like to say that it is unfortunate on some of the admin staff there, there are some genuine hard workers. However what people might not know is that your tax money currently goes toward the managers there that are paid an extremely extortionate salary (43k minumum) including 2 bonuses each year upto £5000. These are just your basic team managers and there is an unnecessary amount of them. The vast majority are not qualified or experienced enough to clean the streets, let alone manage a team of people. They got there jobs through having relations with other managers or just by looking pretty and are appointed to ride on the back of the generous civil service pay and pension scheme. I know people that have worked hard since the day it opened, applied for every promotion opportunity only to be turned down again and again. The little people (as some of them actually referred to us as) do all of the hard work and get very little in return. To these so called "managers" I say good riddance - I look forward to seeing some of them flipping burgers and serving me fries in a few months time.
Well done for getting a new job. However if you honestly felt this why did you not raise it when you were working for SSC. I am not a Manager, so can't comment on the bonuses you talk about. I work within HR section and believestrongly that my HR Service Manager would not allow the I slept with someone so they should be promoted b/s you talk about. The HR Service Manager is well respected by everyone I know within SSC. She is a fantastic human being who deserves a lot of credit for how she has handled the set up of HR Department!!!
Come on people - let's be honest... Jenny is right! There is a culture of who's 'in' with who . I interviewed 12 candidates for 1 internal post -used the new civil service competency guide, had a clear winner but my senior manager did not like that person who came out on top. Made me review my scores with the comment of "think carefully, it would do you good to appoint xxxxxx". . And then there is members of staff "friends of senior managers" suddenly appearing in highly paid posts. The open and fair recruitment process is poorly followed. And the best bit - the service managers do nothing to stop it - surely their eyes can't be closed all the time. But It is a great place to work and it is the "little people" that work hard there and make it that. There are too many managers and managers managers with little to do other than put pressure on staff and push them to hide their failings, resist change as they can't keep up! But i think if any SSC staff are reading this they will agree that a lot of change needs to be made. Would this take over be so bad -staff recognised for their achievements, paid fairly and treated equally? Currently Managers are not accountable for their actions, they hide under the cloak of the civil service. Staff are stressed out, lack of openness and honestly -this announcement was supposed to be given in Jan 14 but senior staff chose to hide info and were sloppy in getting this all sorted all add to the bad, hidden side of this business. As to raising poor management/ treatment ,and why not say something - well come on ETHEL24 - if you work there look around you , staff that speak up never go further in their career , their card is marked so let's be honest - we, the little people , allow it to be like that because we are afraid of loosing our jobs, being labelled but clicky management as difficult, so we have to let it happen because there is no other way. And don't even suggest a grievance process , can you imagine!!! As for the future Only those who do little have something to worry about . The honest, good working staff , of whom there are very many, will be looked after and privitastion can be good so I say best of luck to the staff of SSC who deserve to keep their jobs.
SO NAME & SHAME THEM. Have you since left having been "told" to change your opinion on who should get the post? Any workplace has problems, but that does not mean everyone should lose their jobs for some peoples mistakes. I for one enjoy my job at the SSC and long may it continue, but sadly this is highly unlikely. I know every office has some "clicks" so to be honest it doesn't matter who you work for you will get some of that going on in a business. I just hope I can continue my learning and development at the SSC even with Steria taking over. Just as long as I do not lose my job due to this I do not care who pays my wages to assist me with meeting bill payments and caring and getting the best for my family.
What will be will be! But the Ssc have some of the best Managers you could ever wish to work with and it this place closes due to the fat cats in government then it will really be a shame because the loyalty and commitment of everyone who works there is something we should all be proud off!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Ethel24[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lovemyjob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ethel24[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jenny122[/bold] wrote: I used to work there and (thankfully!) left for a much better job. Firstly would like to say that it is unfortunate on some of the admin staff there, there are some genuine hard workers. However what people might not know is that your tax money currently goes toward the managers there that are paid an extremely extortionate salary (43k minumum) including 2 bonuses each year upto £5000. These are just your basic team managers and there is an unnecessary amount of them. The vast majority are not qualified or experienced enough to clean the streets, let alone manage a team of people. They got there jobs through having relations with other managers or just by looking pretty and are appointed to ride on the back of the generous civil service pay and pension scheme. I know people that have worked hard since the day it opened, applied for every promotion opportunity only to be turned down again and again. The little people (as some of them actually referred to us as) do all of the hard work and get very little in return. To these so called "managers" I say good riddance - I look forward to seeing some of them flipping burgers and serving me fries in a few months time.[/p][/quote]Well done for getting a new job. However if you honestly felt this why did you not raise it when you were working for SSC. I am not a Manager, so can't comment on the bonuses you talk about. I work within HR section and believestrongly that my HR Service Manager would not allow the I slept with someone so they should be promoted b/s you talk about. The HR Service Manager is well respected by everyone I know within SSC. She is a fantastic human being who deserves a lot of credit for how she has handled the set up of HR Department!!![/p][/quote]Come on people - let's be honest... Jenny is right! There is a culture of who's 'in' with who . I interviewed 12 candidates for 1 internal post -used the new civil service competency guide, had a clear winner but my senior manager did not like that person who came out on top. Made me review my scores with the comment of "think carefully, it would do you good to appoint xxxxxx". . And then there is members of staff "friends of senior managers" suddenly appearing in highly paid posts. The open and fair recruitment process is poorly followed. And the best bit - the service managers do nothing to stop it - surely their eyes can't be closed all the time. But It is a great place to work and it is the "little people" that work hard there and make it that. There are too many managers and managers managers with little to do other than put pressure on staff and push them to hide their failings, resist change as they can't keep up! But i think if any SSC staff are reading this they will agree that a lot of change needs to be made. Would this take over be so bad -staff recognised for their achievements, paid fairly and treated equally? Currently Managers are not accountable for their actions, they hide under the cloak of the civil service. Staff are stressed out, lack of openness and honestly -this announcement was supposed to be given in Jan 14 but senior staff chose to hide info and were sloppy in getting this all sorted all add to the bad, hidden side of this business. As to raising poor management/ treatment ,and why not say something - well come on ETHEL24 - if you work there look around you , staff that speak up never go further in their career , their card is marked so let's be honest - we, the little people , allow it to be like that because we are afraid of loosing our jobs, being labelled but clicky management as difficult, so we have to let it happen because there is no other way. And don't even suggest a grievance process , can you imagine!!! As for the future Only those who do little have something to worry about . The honest, good working staff , of whom there are very many, will be looked after and privitastion can be good so I say best of luck to the staff of SSC who deserve to keep their jobs.[/p][/quote]SO NAME & SHAME THEM. Have you since left having been "told" to change your opinion on who should get the post? Any workplace has problems, but that does not mean everyone should lose their jobs for some peoples mistakes. I for one enjoy my job at the SSC and long may it continue, but sadly this is highly unlikely. I know every office has some "clicks" so to be honest it doesn't matter who you work for you will get some of that going on in a business. I just hope I can continue my learning and development at the SSC even with Steria taking over. Just as long as I do not lose my job due to this I do not care who pays my wages to assist me with meeting bill payments and caring and getting the best for my family.[/p][/quote]What will be will be! But the Ssc have some of the best Managers you could ever wish to work with and it this place closes due to the fat cats in government then it will really be a shame because the loyalty and commitment of everyone who works there is something we should all be proud off!!!! SelizW
  • Score: 5

7:33pm Wed 25 Jun 14

BF boy says...

I also work in the SSC and am disgusted by this decision to privatise our service. Typical tory government policy. I sincerely hope you get voted out next election David, you are a disgrace to the hard working British public.
I also work in the SSC and am disgusted by this decision to privatise our service. Typical tory government policy. I sincerely hope you get voted out next election David, you are a disgrace to the hard working British public. BF boy
  • Score: 9

7:35pm Wed 25 Jun 14

Mr Angry says...

David Cameron, you know the guy who employed the criminal Andy Coulson said, ' Work hard - do the right thing and we will support you ' - these people have worked hard , done the right thing, now wheres the support for them Cameron ?
David Cameron, you know the guy who employed the criminal Andy Coulson said, ' Work hard - do the right thing and we will support you ' - these people have worked hard , done the right thing, now wheres the support for them Cameron ? Mr Angry
  • Score: 11

7:45pm Wed 25 Jun 14

BF boy says...

PS the above about the managers being paid extortionate amounts and the suggestion that the recruitment is unfair is absolute tripe. I've worked in both the private and public sector and cannot praise the SSC managers enough. The top manager is one of the nicest bosses I've had. She is first in and often last to leave, very down to earth, always smiling and always approachable. Don't believe the bad comments above, our customers are always praising the work we do which suggests the best people actually get the jobs there. Let's hope the powers that be realise how poor this decision is and allow us to continue
PS the above about the managers being paid extortionate amounts and the suggestion that the recruitment is unfair is absolute tripe. I've worked in both the private and public sector and cannot praise the SSC managers enough. The top manager is one of the nicest bosses I've had. She is first in and often last to leave, very down to earth, always smiling and always approachable. Don't believe the bad comments above, our customers are always praising the work we do which suggests the best people actually get the jobs there. Let's hope the powers that be realise how poor this decision is and allow us to continue BF boy
  • Score: 7

7:57pm Wed 25 Jun 14

helper7 says...

Mr Angry wrote:
David Cameron, you know the guy who employed the criminal Andy Coulson said, ' Work hard - do the right thing and we will support you ' - these people have worked hard , done the right thing, now wheres the support for them Cameron ?
Trickle down economics do not work. 'Flexible' labour markets have merely allowed employers to take more profit from productivity without passing the benefits on to workers in the form of wage increases and to move jobs anywhere in the world. It does not matter how hard you work because Cameron is hell bent on finishing Thatchers legacy of destroying workers rights. There has only ever been one way for workers to ensure that they receive a fair share of the pie and protect their jobs and that is to organise themselves into unions to bargain for better wages and conditions. Unfortunately the attack on representation in the workplace by the Tory led government is now reaping the rewards for the wealthy few.

Millions of people in poverty live in UK households where at least one person works, the Living Wage Commission has said.
It recommended that the government should pay its own workers a "living wage".
The commission is an independent body that brings together business, trade unions and civil society.

It said that "the majority of people in poverty in the UK are working".
This continues to fall on deaf ears of the coalition government that nobody voted for!

However David Cameron has demonstrated that he is indeed a listening man!
...he employed Andy Coulson
[quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: David Cameron, you know the guy who employed the criminal Andy Coulson said, ' Work hard - do the right thing and we will support you ' - these people have worked hard , done the right thing, now wheres the support for them Cameron ?[/p][/quote]Trickle down economics do not work. 'Flexible' labour markets have merely allowed employers to take more profit from productivity without passing the benefits on to workers in the form of wage increases and to move jobs anywhere in the world. It does not matter how hard you work because Cameron is hell bent on finishing Thatchers legacy of destroying workers rights. There has only ever been one way for workers to ensure that they receive a fair share of the pie and protect their jobs and that is to organise themselves into unions to bargain for better wages and conditions. Unfortunately the attack on representation in the workplace by the Tory led government is now reaping the rewards for the wealthy few. Millions of people in poverty live in UK households where at least one person works, the Living Wage Commission has said. It recommended that the government should pay its own workers a "living wage". The commission is an independent body that brings together business, trade unions and civil society. It said that "the majority of people in poverty in the UK are working". This continues to fall on deaf ears of the coalition government that nobody voted for! However David Cameron has demonstrated that he is indeed a listening man! ...he employed Andy Coulson helper7
  • Score: 11

10:48pm Wed 25 Jun 14

Floppy backed says...

So all this house building that is planned - where are they people working? Eventually Newport will be just a development of flat packed houses everyone squashed in rabbit warrens in dire misery.

Can not see what walking out or the unions can do once the decision has been made little chance of turning back.
So all this house building that is planned - where are they people working? Eventually Newport will be just a development of flat packed houses everyone squashed in rabbit warrens in dire misery. Can not see what walking out or the unions can do once the decision has been made little chance of turning back. Floppy backed
  • Score: 1

12:38am Thu 26 Jun 14

cymruamblyth says...

helper7 wrote:
SelizW wrote:
BobEvams2014 wrote:
Reports indicate that the company are unhappy with the red tape such as TUPE and the obstructional attitude of the trade union in this matter.

TUPE means that the taking over company inherit the current totally lazy ineffeicent Welsh workforce who are paid too much and are unable to sack them and replace them with cheaper more capable staff.

When UKIP win the next General Election TUPE will abolished enabling hard working businessmen to employ who they want at the rate they want to run their buisness, and sack or cut the pay of the existing workforce.

UKIP will also make all Trade Unions illeagal organisations, Union leaders, representatives etc will be arrested and deatained indeffinatley or untill suitable charges can be invented, sorry found, which ever is longest.
If you don't think we are as good as we could be; at least we can spell!! Unlike you!!
Well done mate, your Reverse psychology is having great effect!!
Ha! Ha! Ha! .... I nearly went to ethiopia.
Mate if you had a brain you'd be dangerous Mate!

Seliz is right mate I hope that when they separate you, the who's left can as least spell correctly..
[quote][p][bold]helper7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SelizW[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BobEvams2014[/bold] wrote: Reports indicate that the company are unhappy with the red tape such as TUPE and the obstructional attitude of the trade union in this matter. TUPE means that the taking over company inherit the current totally lazy ineffeicent Welsh workforce who are paid too much and are unable to sack them and replace them with cheaper more capable staff. When UKIP win the next General Election TUPE will abolished enabling hard working businessmen to employ who they want at the rate they want to run their buisness, and sack or cut the pay of the existing workforce. UKIP will also make all Trade Unions illeagal organisations, Union leaders, representatives etc will be arrested and deatained indeffinatley or untill suitable charges can be invented, sorry found, which ever is longest.[/p][/quote]If you don't think we are as good as we could be; at least we can spell!! Unlike you!![/p][/quote]Well done mate, your Reverse psychology is having great effect!! Ha! Ha! Ha! .... I nearly went to ethiopia.[/p][/quote]Mate if you had a brain you'd be dangerous Mate! Seliz is right mate I hope that when they separate you, the who's left can as least spell correctly.. cymruamblyth
  • Score: -2

4:12am Thu 26 Jun 14

Dai Rear says...

helper7 wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
David Cameron, you know the guy who employed the criminal Andy Coulson said, ' Work hard - do the right thing and we will support you ' - these people have worked hard , done the right thing, now wheres the support for them Cameron ?
Trickle down economics do not work. 'Flexible' labour markets have merely allowed employers to take more profit from productivity without passing the benefits on to workers in the form of wage increases and to move jobs anywhere in the world. It does not matter how hard you work because Cameron is hell bent on finishing Thatchers legacy of destroying workers rights. There has only ever been one way for workers to ensure that they receive a fair share of the pie and protect their jobs and that is to organise themselves into unions to bargain for better wages and conditions. Unfortunately the attack on representation in the workplace by the Tory led government is now reaping the rewards for the wealthy few.

Millions of people in poverty live in UK households where at least one person works, the Living Wage Commission has said.
It recommended that the government should pay its own workers a "living wage".
The commission is an independent body that brings together business, trade unions and civil society.

It said that "the majority of people in poverty in the UK are working".
This continues to fall on deaf ears of the coalition government that nobody voted for!

However David Cameron has demonstrated that he is indeed a listening man!
...he employed Andy Coulson
There is a vacuum in mainstream political parties.A strong argument for BNP I'd agree but I still couldn't bring myself to vote for them. No obvious answer
[quote][p][bold]helper7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: David Cameron, you know the guy who employed the criminal Andy Coulson said, ' Work hard - do the right thing and we will support you ' - these people have worked hard , done the right thing, now wheres the support for them Cameron ?[/p][/quote]Trickle down economics do not work. 'Flexible' labour markets have merely allowed employers to take more profit from productivity without passing the benefits on to workers in the form of wage increases and to move jobs anywhere in the world. It does not matter how hard you work because Cameron is hell bent on finishing Thatchers legacy of destroying workers rights. There has only ever been one way for workers to ensure that they receive a fair share of the pie and protect their jobs and that is to organise themselves into unions to bargain for better wages and conditions. Unfortunately the attack on representation in the workplace by the Tory led government is now reaping the rewards for the wealthy few. Millions of people in poverty live in UK households where at least one person works, the Living Wage Commission has said. It recommended that the government should pay its own workers a "living wage". The commission is an independent body that brings together business, trade unions and civil society. It said that "the majority of people in poverty in the UK are working". This continues to fall on deaf ears of the coalition government that nobody voted for! However David Cameron has demonstrated that he is indeed a listening man! ...he employed Andy Coulson[/p][/quote]There is a vacuum in mainstream political parties.A strong argument for BNP I'd agree but I still couldn't bring myself to vote for them. No obvious answer Dai Rear
  • Score: -2

4:12am Thu 26 Jun 14

Dai Rear says...

helper7 wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
David Cameron, you know the guy who employed the criminal Andy Coulson said, ' Work hard - do the right thing and we will support you ' - these people have worked hard , done the right thing, now wheres the support for them Cameron ?
Trickle down economics do not work. 'Flexible' labour markets have merely allowed employers to take more profit from productivity without passing the benefits on to workers in the form of wage increases and to move jobs anywhere in the world. It does not matter how hard you work because Cameron is hell bent on finishing Thatchers legacy of destroying workers rights. There has only ever been one way for workers to ensure that they receive a fair share of the pie and protect their jobs and that is to organise themselves into unions to bargain for better wages and conditions. Unfortunately the attack on representation in the workplace by the Tory led government is now reaping the rewards for the wealthy few.

Millions of people in poverty live in UK households where at least one person works, the Living Wage Commission has said.
It recommended that the government should pay its own workers a "living wage".
The commission is an independent body that brings together business, trade unions and civil society.

It said that "the majority of people in poverty in the UK are working".
This continues to fall on deaf ears of the coalition government that nobody voted for!

However David Cameron has demonstrated that he is indeed a listening man!
...he employed Andy Coulson
There is a vacuum in mainstream political parties.A strong argument for BNP I'd agree but I still couldn't bring myself to vote for them. No obvious answer
[quote][p][bold]helper7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: David Cameron, you know the guy who employed the criminal Andy Coulson said, ' Work hard - do the right thing and we will support you ' - these people have worked hard , done the right thing, now wheres the support for them Cameron ?[/p][/quote]Trickle down economics do not work. 'Flexible' labour markets have merely allowed employers to take more profit from productivity without passing the benefits on to workers in the form of wage increases and to move jobs anywhere in the world. It does not matter how hard you work because Cameron is hell bent on finishing Thatchers legacy of destroying workers rights. There has only ever been one way for workers to ensure that they receive a fair share of the pie and protect their jobs and that is to organise themselves into unions to bargain for better wages and conditions. Unfortunately the attack on representation in the workplace by the Tory led government is now reaping the rewards for the wealthy few. Millions of people in poverty live in UK households where at least one person works, the Living Wage Commission has said. It recommended that the government should pay its own workers a "living wage". The commission is an independent body that brings together business, trade unions and civil society. It said that "the majority of people in poverty in the UK are working". This continues to fall on deaf ears of the coalition government that nobody voted for! However David Cameron has demonstrated that he is indeed a listening man! ...he employed Andy Coulson[/p][/quote]There is a vacuum in mainstream political parties.A strong argument for BNP I'd agree but I still couldn't bring myself to vote for them. No obvious answer Dai Rear
  • Score: -1

2:10pm Thu 26 Jun 14

-trigg- says...

I was reading the comments on this story with interest but I'm afraid I had to stop doing so before irritation got the better of me.

The word you're looking for is 'Clique'.
I was reading the comments on this story with interest but I'm afraid I had to stop doing so before irritation got the better of me. The word you're looking for is 'Clique'. -trigg-
  • Score: -2

3:15pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Newportg says...

May 2015 lets put Clegg and Cameron and all their callous, cruel and morally corrupt government on the dole. Though I don't think they'll be visiting the food bank!
May 2015 lets put Clegg and Cameron and all their callous, cruel and morally corrupt government on the dole. Though I don't think they'll be visiting the food bank! Newportg
  • Score: 1

4:09pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Dai Rear says...

Newportg wrote:
May 2015 lets put Clegg and Cameron and all their callous, cruel and morally corrupt government on the dole. Though I don't think they'll be visiting the food bank!
Well if you think Balls and Miliband would be any better maybe you should be visiting the reality bank
[quote][p][bold]Newportg[/bold] wrote: May 2015 lets put Clegg and Cameron and all their callous, cruel and morally corrupt government on the dole. Though I don't think they'll be visiting the food bank![/p][/quote]Well if you think Balls and Miliband would be any better maybe you should be visiting the reality bank Dai Rear
  • Score: -3

4:31pm Thu 26 Jun 14

The People's Republic of Newp says...

Dai Rear wrote:
Magor wrote:
If Newport West was Tory then this would not be happening so close to an election but as there are no Tory MPs round here they are not bothered.After all its not even in England.
I think Cameron thought he'd done his bit by legalizing marriages between people and sheep-oh, sorry, he didn't get that one on the statute book, did he?
Are you drawing an implicit comparison between **** and gay marriage? Judging from your posts on the latter in times past, that's all I can presume.
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Magor[/bold] wrote: If Newport West was Tory then this would not be happening so close to an election but as there are no Tory MPs round here they are not bothered.After all its not even in England.[/p][/quote]I think Cameron thought he'd done his bit by legalizing marriages between people and sheep-oh, sorry, he didn't get that one on the statute book, did he?[/p][/quote]Are you drawing an implicit comparison between **** and gay marriage? Judging from your posts on the latter in times past, that's all I can presume. The People's Republic of Newp
  • Score: -1

4:34pm Thu 26 Jun 14

The People's Republic of Newp says...

Lovemyjob wrote:
Ethel24 wrote:
Jenny122 wrote:
I used to work there and (thankfully!) left for a much better job. Firstly would like to say that it is unfortunate on some of the admin staff there, there are some genuine hard workers.

However what people might not know is that your tax money currently goes toward the managers there that are paid an extremely extortionate salary (43k minumum) including 2 bonuses each year upto £5000. These are just your basic team managers and there is an unnecessary amount of them. The vast majority are not qualified or experienced enough to clean the streets, let alone manage a team of people. They got there jobs through having relations with other managers or just by looking pretty and are appointed to ride on the back of the generous civil service pay and pension scheme. I know people that have worked hard since the day it opened, applied for every promotion opportunity only to be turned down again and again. The little people (as some of them actually referred to us as) do all of the hard work and get very little in return.

To these so called "managers" I say good riddance - I look forward to seeing some of them flipping burgers and serving me fries in a few months time.
Well done for getting a new job. However if you honestly felt this why did you not raise it when you were working for SSC. I am not a Manager, so can't comment on the bonuses you talk about. I work within HR section and believestrongly that my HR Service Manager would not allow the I slept with someone so they should be promoted b/s you talk about. The HR Service Manager is well respected by everyone I know within SSC. She is a fantastic human being who deserves a lot of credit for how she has handled the set up of HR Department!!!
Come on people - let's be honest... Jenny is right! There is a culture of who's 'in' with who . I interviewed 12 candidates for 1 internal post -used the new civil service competency guide, had a clear winner but my senior manager did not like that person who came out on top. Made me review my scores with the comment of "think carefully, it would do you good to appoint xxxxxx". . And then there is members of staff "friends of senior managers" suddenly appearing in highly paid posts. The open and fair recruitment process is poorly followed. And the best bit - the service managers do nothing to stop it - surely their eyes can't be closed all the time. But It is a great place to work and it is the "little people" that work hard there and make it that. There are too many managers and managers managers with little to do other than put pressure on staff and push them to hide their failings, resist change as they can't keep up! But i think if any SSC staff are reading this they will agree that a lot of change needs to be made. Would this take over be so bad -staff recognised for their achievements, paid fairly and treated equally? Currently Managers are not accountable for their actions, they hide under the cloak of the civil service. Staff are stressed out, lack of openness and honestly -this announcement was supposed to be given in Jan 14 but senior staff chose to hide info and were sloppy in getting this all sorted all add to the bad, hidden side of this business.

As to raising poor management/ treatment ,and why not say something - well come on ETHEL24 - if you work there look around you , staff that speak up never go further in their career , their card is marked so let's be honest - we, the little people , allow it to be like that because we are afraid of loosing our jobs, being labelled but clicky management as difficult, so we have to let it happen because there is no other way. And don't even suggest a grievance process , can you imagine!!! As for the future Only those who do little have something to worry about . The honest, good working staff , of whom there are very many, will be looked after and privitastion can be good so I say best of luck to the staff of SSC who deserve to keep their jobs.
The points you make in your first para: you honestly believe that doesn't happen in the private sector?
[quote][p][bold]Lovemyjob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ethel24[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jenny122[/bold] wrote: I used to work there and (thankfully!) left for a much better job. Firstly would like to say that it is unfortunate on some of the admin staff there, there are some genuine hard workers. However what people might not know is that your tax money currently goes toward the managers there that are paid an extremely extortionate salary (43k minumum) including 2 bonuses each year upto £5000. These are just your basic team managers and there is an unnecessary amount of them. The vast majority are not qualified or experienced enough to clean the streets, let alone manage a team of people. They got there jobs through having relations with other managers or just by looking pretty and are appointed to ride on the back of the generous civil service pay and pension scheme. I know people that have worked hard since the day it opened, applied for every promotion opportunity only to be turned down again and again. The little people (as some of them actually referred to us as) do all of the hard work and get very little in return. To these so called "managers" I say good riddance - I look forward to seeing some of them flipping burgers and serving me fries in a few months time.[/p][/quote]Well done for getting a new job. However if you honestly felt this why did you not raise it when you were working for SSC. I am not a Manager, so can't comment on the bonuses you talk about. I work within HR section and believestrongly that my HR Service Manager would not allow the I slept with someone so they should be promoted b/s you talk about. The HR Service Manager is well respected by everyone I know within SSC. She is a fantastic human being who deserves a lot of credit for how she has handled the set up of HR Department!!![/p][/quote]Come on people - let's be honest... Jenny is right! There is a culture of who's 'in' with who . I interviewed 12 candidates for 1 internal post -used the new civil service competency guide, had a clear winner but my senior manager did not like that person who came out on top. Made me review my scores with the comment of "think carefully, it would do you good to appoint xxxxxx". . And then there is members of staff "friends of senior managers" suddenly appearing in highly paid posts. The open and fair recruitment process is poorly followed. And the best bit - the service managers do nothing to stop it - surely their eyes can't be closed all the time. But It is a great place to work and it is the "little people" that work hard there and make it that. There are too many managers and managers managers with little to do other than put pressure on staff and push them to hide their failings, resist change as they can't keep up! But i think if any SSC staff are reading this they will agree that a lot of change needs to be made. Would this take over be so bad -staff recognised for their achievements, paid fairly and treated equally? Currently Managers are not accountable for their actions, they hide under the cloak of the civil service. Staff are stressed out, lack of openness and honestly -this announcement was supposed to be given in Jan 14 but senior staff chose to hide info and were sloppy in getting this all sorted all add to the bad, hidden side of this business. As to raising poor management/ treatment ,and why not say something - well come on ETHEL24 - if you work there look around you , staff that speak up never go further in their career , their card is marked so let's be honest - we, the little people , allow it to be like that because we are afraid of loosing our jobs, being labelled but clicky management as difficult, so we have to let it happen because there is no other way. And don't even suggest a grievance process , can you imagine!!! As for the future Only those who do little have something to worry about . The honest, good working staff , of whom there are very many, will be looked after and privitastion can be good so I say best of luck to the staff of SSC who deserve to keep their jobs.[/p][/quote]The points you make in your first para: you honestly believe that doesn't happen in the private sector? The People's Republic of Newp
  • Score: 0

4:37pm Thu 26 Jun 14

The People's Republic of Newp says...

The People's Republic of Newp wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
Magor wrote:
If Newport West was Tory then this would not be happening so close to an election but as there are no Tory MPs round here they are not bothered.After all its not even in England.
I think Cameron thought he'd done his bit by legalizing marriages between people and sheep-oh, sorry, he didn't get that one on the statute book, did he?
Are you drawing an implicit comparison between **** and gay marriage? Judging from your posts on the latter in times past, that's all I can presume.
And the word removed by the Argus website was b.e.s.t.i.a.l.i.t.y.
[quote][p][bold]The People's Republic of Newp[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Magor[/bold] wrote: If Newport West was Tory then this would not be happening so close to an election but as there are no Tory MPs round here they are not bothered.After all its not even in England.[/p][/quote]I think Cameron thought he'd done his bit by legalizing marriages between people and sheep-oh, sorry, he didn't get that one on the statute book, did he?[/p][/quote]Are you drawing an implicit comparison between **** and gay marriage? Judging from your posts on the latter in times past, that's all I can presume.[/p][/quote]And the word removed by the Argus website was b.e.s.t.i.a.l.i.t.y. The People's Republic of Newp
  • Score: 0

4:40pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Newportg says...

Dai Rear wrote:
Newportg wrote:
May 2015 lets put Clegg and Cameron and all their callous, cruel and morally corrupt government on the dole. Though I don't think they'll be visiting the food bank!
Well if you think Balls and Miliband would be any better maybe you should be visiting the reality bank
I didn't say who I was voting for. I take it you'll be voting for good old Dave and his glove puppet then?
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Newportg[/bold] wrote: May 2015 lets put Clegg and Cameron and all their callous, cruel and morally corrupt government on the dole. Though I don't think they'll be visiting the food bank![/p][/quote]Well if you think Balls and Miliband would be any better maybe you should be visiting the reality bank[/p][/quote]I didn't say who I was voting for. I take it you'll be voting for good old Dave and his glove puppet then? Newportg
  • Score: 0

5:04pm Thu 26 Jun 14

huewb2 says...

God this is great. Karma my friends - this is what your seeing here. Farewell SSC, I'll throw you all 10 pence if I see you queuing outside the job centre X
God this is great. Karma my friends - this is what your seeing here. Farewell SSC, I'll throw you all 10 pence if I see you queuing outside the job centre X huewb2
  • Score: -3

5:22pm Thu 26 Jun 14

helper7 says...

cymruamblyth wrote:
helper7 wrote:
SelizW wrote:
BobEvams2014 wrote:
Reports indicate that the company are unhappy with the red tape such as TUPE and the obstructional attitude of the trade union in this matter.

TUPE means that the taking over company inherit the current totally lazy ineffeicent Welsh workforce who are paid too much and are unable to sack them and replace them with cheaper more capable staff.

When UKIP win the next General Election TUPE will abolished enabling hard working businessmen to employ who they want at the rate they want to run their buisness, and sack or cut the pay of the existing workforce.

UKIP will also make all Trade Unions illeagal organisations, Union leaders, representatives etc will be arrested and deatained indeffinatley or untill suitable charges can be invented, sorry found, which ever is longest.
If you don't think we are as good as we could be; at least we can spell!! Unlike you!!
Well done mate, your Reverse psychology is having great effect!!
Ha! Ha! Ha! .... I nearly went to ethiopia.
Mate if you had a brain you'd be dangerous Mate!

Seliz is right mate I hope that when they separate you, the who's left can as least spell correctly..
OMG their are a bunch of Imbeciles that actually believe that the correct Spelling and proper grammar are key to correctness. If brains were dynamite the you wouldn’t have enough to bow your nose!
[quote][p][bold]cymruamblyth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]helper7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SelizW[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BobEvams2014[/bold] wrote: Reports indicate that the company are unhappy with the red tape such as TUPE and the obstructional attitude of the trade union in this matter. TUPE means that the taking over company inherit the current totally lazy ineffeicent Welsh workforce who are paid too much and are unable to sack them and replace them with cheaper more capable staff. When UKIP win the next General Election TUPE will abolished enabling hard working businessmen to employ who they want at the rate they want to run their buisness, and sack or cut the pay of the existing workforce. UKIP will also make all Trade Unions illeagal organisations, Union leaders, representatives etc will be arrested and deatained indeffinatley or untill suitable charges can be invented, sorry found, which ever is longest.[/p][/quote]If you don't think we are as good as we could be; at least we can spell!! Unlike you!![/p][/quote]Well done mate, your Reverse psychology is having great effect!! Ha! Ha! Ha! .... I nearly went to ethiopia.[/p][/quote]Mate if you had a brain you'd be dangerous Mate! Seliz is right mate I hope that when they separate you, the who's left can as least spell correctly..[/p][/quote]OMG their are a bunch of Imbeciles that actually believe that the correct Spelling and proper grammar are key to correctness. If brains were dynamite the you wouldn’t have enough to bow your nose! helper7
  • Score: 2

5:41pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Dai Rear says...

The People's Republic of Newp wrote:
The People's Republic of Newp wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
Magor wrote:
If Newport West was Tory then this would not be happening so close to an election but as there are no Tory MPs round here they are not bothered.After all its not even in England.
I think Cameron thought he'd done his bit by legalizing marriages between people and sheep-oh, sorry, he didn't get that one on the statute book, did he?
Are you drawing an implicit comparison between **** and gay marriage? Judging from your posts on the latter in times past, that's all I can presume.
And the word removed by the Argus website was b.e.s.t.i.a.l.i.t.y.
baa
[quote][p][bold]The People's Republic of Newp[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The People's Republic of Newp[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Magor[/bold] wrote: If Newport West was Tory then this would not be happening so close to an election but as there are no Tory MPs round here they are not bothered.After all its not even in England.[/p][/quote]I think Cameron thought he'd done his bit by legalizing marriages between people and sheep-oh, sorry, he didn't get that one on the statute book, did he?[/p][/quote]Are you drawing an implicit comparison between **** and gay marriage? Judging from your posts on the latter in times past, that's all I can presume.[/p][/quote]And the word removed by the Argus website was b.e.s.t.i.a.l.i.t.y.[/p][/quote]baa Dai Rear
  • Score: -1

5:49pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Dai Rear says...

Newportg wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
Newportg wrote:
May 2015 lets put Clegg and Cameron and all their callous, cruel and morally corrupt government on the dole. Though I don't think they'll be visiting the food bank!
Well if you think Balls and Miliband would be any better maybe you should be visiting the reality bank
I didn't say who I was voting for. I take it you'll be voting for good old Dave and his glove puppet then?
I find it hard to understand anyone who'd vote for Miliband who says "the people who vote for me are too stupid to understand the issues involved in an in/out referendum". I can only conclude that Labour voters like to feel inferior. I know Cameron is only in referendum country because he's painted himself into a corner but if you don't vote for that then you presumably don't care about us being dragged down by an outfit that genuinely does tick all the boxes for "callous, cruel and morally corrupt" -could have been the Mission Statement for the EU , couldn't it?
[quote][p][bold]Newportg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Newportg[/bold] wrote: May 2015 lets put Clegg and Cameron and all their callous, cruel and morally corrupt government on the dole. Though I don't think they'll be visiting the food bank![/p][/quote]Well if you think Balls and Miliband would be any better maybe you should be visiting the reality bank[/p][/quote]I didn't say who I was voting for. I take it you'll be voting for good old Dave and his glove puppet then?[/p][/quote]I find it hard to understand anyone who'd vote for Miliband who says "the people who vote for me are too stupid to understand the issues involved in an in/out referendum". I can only conclude that Labour voters like to feel inferior. I know Cameron is only in referendum country because he's painted himself into a corner but if you don't vote for that then you presumably don't care about us being dragged down by an outfit that genuinely does tick all the boxes for "callous, cruel and morally corrupt" -could have been the Mission Statement for the EU , couldn't it? Dai Rear
  • Score: -2

6:36pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Newportg says...

Dai Rear wrote:
Newportg wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
Newportg wrote:
May 2015 lets put Clegg and Cameron and all their callous, cruel and morally corrupt government on the dole. Though I don't think they'll be visiting the food bank!
Well if you think Balls and Miliband would be any better maybe you should be visiting the reality bank
I didn't say who I was voting for. I take it you'll be voting for good old Dave and his glove puppet then?
I find it hard to understand anyone who'd vote for Miliband who says "the people who vote for me are too stupid to understand the issues involved in an in/out referendum". I can only conclude that Labour voters like to feel inferior. I know Cameron is only in referendum country because he's painted himself into a corner but if you don't vote for that then you presumably don't care about us being dragged down by an outfit that genuinely does tick all the boxes for "callous, cruel and morally corrupt" -could have been the Mission Statement for the EU , couldn't it?
Well, if you're voting Tory that's your choice and I respect that. However, I stand by what I said about them and will not be.
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Newportg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Newportg[/bold] wrote: May 2015 lets put Clegg and Cameron and all their callous, cruel and morally corrupt government on the dole. Though I don't think they'll be visiting the food bank![/p][/quote]Well if you think Balls and Miliband would be any better maybe you should be visiting the reality bank[/p][/quote]I didn't say who I was voting for. I take it you'll be voting for good old Dave and his glove puppet then?[/p][/quote]I find it hard to understand anyone who'd vote for Miliband who says "the people who vote for me are too stupid to understand the issues involved in an in/out referendum". I can only conclude that Labour voters like to feel inferior. I know Cameron is only in referendum country because he's painted himself into a corner but if you don't vote for that then you presumably don't care about us being dragged down by an outfit that genuinely does tick all the boxes for "callous, cruel and morally corrupt" -could have been the Mission Statement for the EU , couldn't it?[/p][/quote]Well, if you're voting Tory that's your choice and I respect that. However, I stand by what I said about them and will not be. Newportg
  • Score: 1

6:45pm Thu 26 Jun 14

SelizW says...

helper7 wrote:
cymruamblyth wrote:
helper7 wrote:
SelizW wrote:
BobEvams2014 wrote:
Reports indicate that the company are unhappy with the red tape such as TUPE and the obstructional attitude of the trade union in this matter.

TUPE means that the taking over company inherit the current totally lazy ineffeicent Welsh workforce who are paid too much and are unable to sack them and replace them with cheaper more capable staff.

When UKIP win the next General Election TUPE will abolished enabling hard working businessmen to employ who they want at the rate they want to run their buisness, and sack or cut the pay of the existing workforce.

UKIP will also make all Trade Unions illeagal organisations, Union leaders, representatives etc will be arrested and deatained indeffinatley or untill suitable charges can be invented, sorry found, which ever is longest.
If you don't think we are as good as we could be; at least we can spell!! Unlike you!!
Well done mate, your Reverse psychology is having great effect!!
Ha! Ha! Ha! .... I nearly went to ethiopia.
Mate if you had a brain you'd be dangerous Mate!

Seliz is right mate I hope that when they separate you, the who's left can as least spell correctly..
OMG their are a bunch of Imbeciles that actually believe that the correct Spelling and proper grammar are key to correctness. If brains were dynamite the you wouldn’t have enough to bow your nose!
What a bunch of morons! You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Wouldn't it be better if you got the facts right before you passed judgement ?
[quote][p][bold]helper7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cymruamblyth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]helper7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SelizW[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BobEvams2014[/bold] wrote: Reports indicate that the company are unhappy with the red tape such as TUPE and the obstructional attitude of the trade union in this matter. TUPE means that the taking over company inherit the current totally lazy ineffeicent Welsh workforce who are paid too much and are unable to sack them and replace them with cheaper more capable staff. When UKIP win the next General Election TUPE will abolished enabling hard working businessmen to employ who they want at the rate they want to run their buisness, and sack or cut the pay of the existing workforce. UKIP will also make all Trade Unions illeagal organisations, Union leaders, representatives etc will be arrested and deatained indeffinatley or untill suitable charges can be invented, sorry found, which ever is longest.[/p][/quote]If you don't think we are as good as we could be; at least we can spell!! Unlike you!![/p][/quote]Well done mate, your Reverse psychology is having great effect!! Ha! Ha! Ha! .... I nearly went to ethiopia.[/p][/quote]Mate if you had a brain you'd be dangerous Mate! Seliz is right mate I hope that when they separate you, the who's left can as least spell correctly..[/p][/quote]OMG their are a bunch of Imbeciles that actually believe that the correct Spelling and proper grammar are key to correctness. If brains were dynamite the you wouldn’t have enough to bow your nose![/p][/quote]What a bunch of morons! You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Wouldn't it be better if you got the facts right before you passed judgement ? SelizW
  • Score: -2

6:50pm Thu 26 Jun 14

The People's Republic of Newp says...

Dai Rear wrote:
The People's Republic of Newp wrote:
The People's Republic of Newp wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
Magor wrote:
If Newport West was Tory then this would not be happening so close to an election but as there are no Tory MPs round here they are not bothered.After all its not even in England.
I think Cameron thought he'd done his bit by legalizing marriages between people and sheep-oh, sorry, he didn't get that one on the statute book, did he?
Are you drawing an implicit comparison between **** and gay marriage? Judging from your posts on the latter in times past, that's all I can presume.
And the word removed by the Argus website was b.e.s.t.i.a.l.i.t.y.
baa
Fancy answering the question?
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The People's Republic of Newp[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The People's Republic of Newp[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Magor[/bold] wrote: If Newport West was Tory then this would not be happening so close to an election but as there are no Tory MPs round here they are not bothered.After all its not even in England.[/p][/quote]I think Cameron thought he'd done his bit by legalizing marriages between people and sheep-oh, sorry, he didn't get that one on the statute book, did he?[/p][/quote]Are you drawing an implicit comparison between **** and gay marriage? Judging from your posts on the latter in times past, that's all I can presume.[/p][/quote]And the word removed by the Argus website was b.e.s.t.i.a.l.i.t.y.[/p][/quote]baa[/p][/quote]Fancy answering the question? The People's Republic of Newp
  • Score: 0

7:19pm Thu 26 Jun 14

helper7 says...

SelizW wrote:
helper7 wrote:
cymruamblyth wrote:
helper7 wrote:
SelizW wrote:
BobEvams2014 wrote:
Reports indicate that the company are unhappy with the red tape such as TUPE and the obstructional attitude of the trade union in this matter.

TUPE means that the taking over company inherit the current totally lazy ineffeicent Welsh workforce who are paid too much and are unable to sack them and replace them with cheaper more capable staff.

When UKIP win the next General Election TUPE will abolished enabling hard working businessmen to employ who they want at the rate they want to run their buisness, and sack or cut the pay of the existing workforce.

UKIP will also make all Trade Unions illeagal organisations, Union leaders, representatives etc will be arrested and deatained indeffinatley or untill suitable charges can be invented, sorry found, which ever is longest.
If you don't think we are as good as we could be; at least we can spell!! Unlike you!!
Well done mate, your Reverse psychology is having great effect!!
Ha! Ha! Ha! .... I nearly went to ethiopia.
Mate if you had a brain you'd be dangerous Mate!

Seliz is right mate I hope that when they separate you, the who's left can as least spell correctly..
OMG their are a bunch of Imbeciles that actually believe that the correct Spelling and proper grammar are key to correctness. If brains were dynamite the you wouldn’t have enough to bow your nose!
What a bunch of morons! You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Wouldn't it be better if you got the facts right before you passed judgement ?
I have Studied **** Taking and Tory Satire at Oxford, gaining a first class honours degree.
Never mentioned morons but you obviously recognise the lable!
And yep I made some spelling mistakes too!



I think yr the one who does not get the drift mate...
[quote][p][bold]SelizW[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]helper7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cymruamblyth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]helper7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SelizW[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BobEvams2014[/bold] wrote: Reports indicate that the company are unhappy with the red tape such as TUPE and the obstructional attitude of the trade union in this matter. TUPE means that the taking over company inherit the current totally lazy ineffeicent Welsh workforce who are paid too much and are unable to sack them and replace them with cheaper more capable staff. When UKIP win the next General Election TUPE will abolished enabling hard working businessmen to employ who they want at the rate they want to run their buisness, and sack or cut the pay of the existing workforce. UKIP will also make all Trade Unions illeagal organisations, Union leaders, representatives etc will be arrested and deatained indeffinatley or untill suitable charges can be invented, sorry found, which ever is longest.[/p][/quote]If you don't think we are as good as we could be; at least we can spell!! Unlike you!![/p][/quote]Well done mate, your Reverse psychology is having great effect!! Ha! Ha! Ha! .... I nearly went to ethiopia.[/p][/quote]Mate if you had a brain you'd be dangerous Mate! Seliz is right mate I hope that when they separate you, the who's left can as least spell correctly..[/p][/quote]OMG their are a bunch of Imbeciles that actually believe that the correct Spelling and proper grammar are key to correctness. If brains were dynamite the you wouldn’t have enough to bow your nose![/p][/quote]What a bunch of morons! You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Wouldn't it be better if you got the facts right before you passed judgement ?[/p][/quote]I have Studied **** Taking and Tory Satire at Oxford, gaining a first class honours degree. Never mentioned morons but you obviously recognise the lable! And yep I made some spelling mistakes too! I think yr the one who does not get the drift mate... helper7
  • Score: 0

9:07pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Mr Angry says...

huewb2 wrote:
God this is great. Karma my friends - this is what your seeing here. Farewell SSC, I'll throw you all 10 pence if I see you queuing outside the job centre X
These are hardworking people who have made the SSC a sucess, why are you so keen to see them loose their jobs ?
[quote][p][bold]huewb2[/bold] wrote: God this is great. Karma my friends - this is what your seeing here. Farewell SSC, I'll throw you all 10 pence if I see you queuing outside the job centre X[/p][/quote]These are hardworking people who have made the SSC a sucess, why are you so keen to see them loose their jobs ? Mr Angry
  • Score: 13

3:20pm Fri 27 Jun 14

The People's Republic of Newp says...

huewb2 wrote:
God this is great. Karma my friends - this is what your seeing here. Farewell SSC, I'll throw you all 10 pence if I see you queuing outside the job centre X
Revelling in job loss and redundancy. Nice.
[quote][p][bold]huewb2[/bold] wrote: God this is great. Karma my friends - this is what your seeing here. Farewell SSC, I'll throw you all 10 pence if I see you queuing outside the job centre X[/p][/quote]Revelling in job loss and redundancy. Nice. The People's Republic of Newp
  • Score: 3

12:03pm Sat 28 Jun 14

Mr Angry says...

This is what is going to happen,
1) The Cowboys - Steria, take over
2) Jobs guarenteed for one year
3) After one year and one day - offshored to India
4) Loopholes used to avoid paying redundacy to long serving staff

We all know know it - so let's cut the crap

Thousnds of private companies do business with Government Departments, and as I understand it the SSC pays the Invoices. Now if I was running a business dealing with Government would I be happy my companies payment details , including my Bank Account number and Sort code were being off shored half way accross the world to be available to god knows who ?
This is what is going to happen, 1) The Cowboys - Steria, take over 2) Jobs guarenteed for one year 3) After one year and one day - offshored to India 4) Loopholes used to avoid paying redundacy to long serving staff We all know know it - so let's cut the crap Thousnds of private companies do business with Government Departments, and as I understand it the SSC pays the Invoices. Now if I was running a business dealing with Government would I be happy my companies payment details , including my Bank Account number and Sort code were being off shored half way accross the world to be available to god knows who ? Mr Angry
  • Score: 4

8:47pm Sun 29 Jun 14

ExSSCEmployee says...

I am very sorry to say that Jenny122's experience as a former employee of MOJ Shared Services is entirely accurate. I can speak with first hand experience of previously working there. I have worked in both private and public sector environments and I have never seen public money treated with such contempt. I completely share the concerns of the hard working staff in the front line with Shared Services who strive to deliver for their clients. The problem is and always has been the senior management team who are too focused on lining their own pockets and appointing their best mates to positions of responsibility. The building was set up in 2006 and they appointed staff on prison service terms and conditions which is one of the highest paying areas of the civil service. The fact is that these terms and conditions are not fit for purpose for a back office function and this decision was a ticking time bomb. In reality, senior management there are paid the same amount of money for running a contact centre or a back office function as would be paid to a Prison Governor who carries the responsibility of high risk prisoners, managing the risk of deaths in custody etc. Nobody in their right mind could argue that this represents pay parity or indeed value for money for the public purse.
Additionally, performance management of staff is dreadful - underperformers are just not dealt with appropriately when they should be and are allowed to coast along at the tax payers expense. I too was witness to being advised by senior management to re-score an interview process because they didn't lime the successful candidate it produced - this is absolutely outrageous behaviour.
Whilst I do worry about job security for the hard working members of SSC staff, and there are a lot of staff there that do their best to deliver a good service day in day out, a private sector company would not tolerate the culture of turning a blind eye because it is too much hassle to address an issue.
That building needs change and that can only be delivered by replacing the senior management team with one which is focused upon delivering efficiency for the tax paying public.
I have never worked somewhere where your opinion counts for so little and where poor performance is allowed to go unchecked.
Managers are not accountable and you are not able to challenge inappropriate behaviour.
Sadly I cannot help but feel if the SSC had been appropriately managed by an accountable senior management team, the poor staff in the front line would not need to be in this position now facing the off-shoring of work.
I am sure there will be those who disagree with this view however I felt obliged to comment and to put on record that Jenny122 is accurate in her comments and other employees have had similar experiences.
I am very sorry to say that Jenny122's experience as a former employee of MOJ Shared Services is entirely accurate. I can speak with first hand experience of previously working there. I have worked in both private and public sector environments and I have never seen public money treated with such contempt. I completely share the concerns of the hard working staff in the front line with Shared Services who strive to deliver for their clients. The problem is and always has been the senior management team who are too focused on lining their own pockets and appointing their best mates to positions of responsibility. The building was set up in 2006 and they appointed staff on prison service terms and conditions which is one of the highest paying areas of the civil service. The fact is that these terms and conditions are not fit for purpose for a back office function and this decision was a ticking time bomb. In reality, senior management there are paid the same amount of money for running a contact centre or a back office function as would be paid to a Prison Governor who carries the responsibility of high risk prisoners, managing the risk of deaths in custody etc. Nobody in their right mind could argue that this represents pay parity or indeed value for money for the public purse. Additionally, performance management of staff is dreadful - underperformers are just not dealt with appropriately when they should be and are allowed to coast along at the tax payers expense. I too was witness to being advised by senior management to re-score an interview process because they didn't lime the successful candidate it produced - this is absolutely outrageous behaviour. Whilst I do worry about job security for the hard working members of SSC staff, and there are a lot of staff there that do their best to deliver a good service day in day out, a private sector company would not tolerate the culture of turning a blind eye because it is too much hassle to address an issue. That building needs change and that can only be delivered by replacing the senior management team with one which is focused upon delivering efficiency for the tax paying public. I have never worked somewhere where your opinion counts for so little and where poor performance is allowed to go unchecked. Managers are not accountable and you are not able to challenge inappropriate behaviour. Sadly I cannot help but feel if the SSC had been appropriately managed by an accountable senior management team, the poor staff in the front line would not need to be in this position now facing the off-shoring of work. I am sure there will be those who disagree with this view however I felt obliged to comment and to put on record that Jenny122 is accurate in her comments and other employees have had similar experiences. ExSSCEmployee
  • Score: 4

2:57am Mon 30 Jun 14

huewb2 says...

ExSSCEmployee wrote:
I am very sorry to say that Jenny122's experience as a former employee of MOJ Shared Services is entirely accurate. I can speak with first hand experience of previously working there. I have worked in both private and public sector environments and I have never seen public money treated with such contempt. I completely share the concerns of the hard working staff in the front line with Shared Services who strive to deliver for their clients. The problem is and always has been the senior management team who are too focused on lining their own pockets and appointing their best mates to positions of responsibility. The building was set up in 2006 and they appointed staff on prison service terms and conditions which is one of the highest paying areas of the civil service. The fact is that these terms and conditions are not fit for purpose for a back office function and this decision was a ticking time bomb. In reality, senior management there are paid the same amount of money for running a contact centre or a back office function as would be paid to a Prison Governor who carries the responsibility of high risk prisoners, managing the risk of deaths in custody etc. Nobody in their right mind could argue that this represents pay parity or indeed value for money for the public purse.
Additionally, performance management of staff is dreadful - underperformers are just not dealt with appropriately when they should be and are allowed to coast along at the tax payers expense. I too was witness to being advised by senior management to re-score an interview process because they didn't lime the successful candidate it produced - this is absolutely outrageous behaviour.
Whilst I do worry about job security for the hard working members of SSC staff, and there are a lot of staff there that do their best to deliver a good service day in day out, a private sector company would not tolerate the culture of turning a blind eye because it is too much hassle to address an issue.
That building needs change and that can only be delivered by replacing the senior management team with one which is focused upon delivering efficiency for the tax paying public.
I have never worked somewhere where your opinion counts for so little and where poor performance is allowed to go unchecked.
Managers are not accountable and you are not able to challenge inappropriate behaviour.
Sadly I cannot help but feel if the SSC had been appropriately managed by an accountable senior management team, the poor staff in the front line would not need to be in this position now facing the off-shoring of work.
I am sure there will be those who disagree with this view however I felt obliged to comment and to put on record that Jenny122 is accurate in her comments and other employees have had similar experiences.
This is perfect. Sorry but as much as people defend the place it is a huge sink for money on management that are appalling.
[quote][p][bold]ExSSCEmployee[/bold] wrote: I am very sorry to say that Jenny122's experience as a former employee of MOJ Shared Services is entirely accurate. I can speak with first hand experience of previously working there. I have worked in both private and public sector environments and I have never seen public money treated with such contempt. I completely share the concerns of the hard working staff in the front line with Shared Services who strive to deliver for their clients. The problem is and always has been the senior management team who are too focused on lining their own pockets and appointing their best mates to positions of responsibility. The building was set up in 2006 and they appointed staff on prison service terms and conditions which is one of the highest paying areas of the civil service. The fact is that these terms and conditions are not fit for purpose for a back office function and this decision was a ticking time bomb. In reality, senior management there are paid the same amount of money for running a contact centre or a back office function as would be paid to a Prison Governor who carries the responsibility of high risk prisoners, managing the risk of deaths in custody etc. Nobody in their right mind could argue that this represents pay parity or indeed value for money for the public purse. Additionally, performance management of staff is dreadful - underperformers are just not dealt with appropriately when they should be and are allowed to coast along at the tax payers expense. I too was witness to being advised by senior management to re-score an interview process because they didn't lime the successful candidate it produced - this is absolutely outrageous behaviour. Whilst I do worry about job security for the hard working members of SSC staff, and there are a lot of staff there that do their best to deliver a good service day in day out, a private sector company would not tolerate the culture of turning a blind eye because it is too much hassle to address an issue. That building needs change and that can only be delivered by replacing the senior management team with one which is focused upon delivering efficiency for the tax paying public. I have never worked somewhere where your opinion counts for so little and where poor performance is allowed to go unchecked. Managers are not accountable and you are not able to challenge inappropriate behaviour. Sadly I cannot help but feel if the SSC had been appropriately managed by an accountable senior management team, the poor staff in the front line would not need to be in this position now facing the off-shoring of work. I am sure there will be those who disagree with this view however I felt obliged to comment and to put on record that Jenny122 is accurate in her comments and other employees have had similar experiences.[/p][/quote]This is perfect. Sorry but as much as people defend the place it is a huge sink for money on management that are appalling. huewb2
  • Score: 0

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