THE NEWSDESK: It is time we took back the city centre from trouble-makers

South Wales Argus: CSO Perrie Di Ronato and CSO Jack Purcell patrol Newport city centre (7631676) CSO Perrie Di Ronato and CSO Jack Purcell patrol Newport city centre (7631676)

IT'S heartening to see that the moves to put the heart back in our city centre also include steps to take it back from trouble-makers.

Many of us would admit that Newport city centre has of recent years not been the most welcoming of atmospheres.

The closed shops, issues with graffiti such as that daubed outside Newport Market recently, people drinking on the streets, running the gauntlet of late-night yobs.

The city centre has felt run down and, on times, an unattractive place to visit.

As the physical landscape begins to change, and as more people homes are built to attract people to live in it, we have to change the city centre's feel and its reputation.

So let's hope the new dispersal order which comes into force this week works well.

Dispersal orders give police officers and community support officers the power to direct any groups of two or more people to leave a specified area if their behaviour is likely to cause members of the public to feel alarmed, harassed or distressed.

Anyone who refuses to leave or returns to the area within 24 hours, when ordered not to do so can be arrested under the Anti-Social Behaviour Act 2003.

Evidence from other areas where dispersal orders have been in place says they do work - because resources are put into ensuring it.

The problem tends to be after the fact. After the order is lifted, will the same old problems keep creeping back?

When resources are re-focused elsewhere, what will be the consequences?

One Newport Partnership, which includes Gwent Police, Newport City Council and their partner agencies, is introducing the dispersal order after receiving repeated complaints from members of the public, and shop and business owners about anti-social behaviour including begging, graffiti, street drinking and general rowdiness.

According to Gwent Police, more than 670 calls of anti-social behaviour have been received since the start of 2014, with the main areas affected being High Street, John Frost Square, Gilligan’s Island and around Newport Centre.

Community support officer, Perrie Di Ronato, has been patrolling the city centre with colleague Jack Purcell for the past three years. They are behind the move.

She said: “This order will give us the added power to deal with those offenders who refuse to take our advice and act responsibly and respectfully.

“This dispersal order will not affect anyone in Newport who is out having a good time and behaving.”

The new order will run from 9am on July 1, until midnight on January 1, 2015.

Newport Inspector Mark Pope, added:

“The dispersal order will enable us to send out a clear message unacceptable behaviour will not be tolerated.”

And we'd all back that.

Our city centre should be a place the whole community enjoys - and feels safe in doing so.

Its redevelopment is under way, its disused buildings are set to get funds to transform them into homes and businesses.

This should be the start of a new era for it.

And this dispersal order is another positive step.

All the agencies involved in the city centre facelift should be pulling together to ensure that after the order is lifted, there is no return to the bad old days.

IT'S also good to see a talisman of the city centre back in place.

Newport city centre without the Sebastien Boyesen sculpture This Little Piggy seemed wrong.

Newport city centre has lost so much of its iconic public art in the past few years - the Chartist Mural and In The Nick of Time - that some were understandably a little worried about the pig's fate.

The sculpture celebrates over 700 years of markets in Newport, and it's wonderful to see that the life-size bronze of a Gloucester Old Spot pig with baskets of fruit and vegetables, has come back to the market.

I also had the chance to see the murals at painted by Germain artist Hans Feibusch, this week.

The series of 12 murals decorates the central hall of Newport Civic Centre and depicts the history of Newport. The murals were commissioned by Newport Corporation in 1960 and painted between 1961 and 1964.

Those of us who do not go to the civic centre often might forget what impressive artworks they are.

 

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1:51pm Sun 29 Jun 14

portman says...

I work in the high st on the first floor and sometimes the yobbo and chav noise is so unbearable i can't concentrate on my job .Chavdonalds are the main culprits so lets get it sorted so can shop and work in peace please !!!!!"
I work in the high st on the first floor and sometimes the yobbo and chav noise is so unbearable i can't concentrate on my job .Chavdonalds are the main culprits so lets get it sorted so can shop and work in peace please !!!!!" portman
  • Score: 30

2:11pm Sun 29 Jun 14

Magor says...

No point spending millions if these yobs are in control,people will stay away.Zero tolerance is needed to show these yobs they are not in control.
No point spending millions if these yobs are in control,people will stay away.Zero tolerance is needed to show these yobs they are not in control. Magor
  • Score: 40

2:37pm Sun 29 Jun 14

Katie Re-Registered says...

The Feibusch murals are beautiful and very evocative, but it has to be said the now destroyed mural that was under the subway was a more historically accurate depiction - particularly with regard to the costumes that would have been worn in 1839. Possibly reflecting his own background, the figures representative of chartists that Feibusch has depicted are actually attired in styles more typically of the German peasantry of the early 19th century - indeed one seems to be wearing the cylindrical-shaped, oil-skin covered shako that was issued to Landwehr regiments at the time of Prussia's 'war of liberation' (1813) when they finally succeeded in ousting the forces of Napoleon Bonaparte from the last remaining parts of German soil that they had occupied.
The Feibusch murals are beautiful and very evocative, but it has to be said the now destroyed mural that was under the subway was a more historically accurate depiction - particularly with regard to the costumes that would have been worn in 1839. Possibly reflecting his own background, the figures representative of chartists that Feibusch has depicted are actually attired in styles more typically of the German peasantry of the early 19th century - indeed one seems to be wearing the cylindrical-shaped, oil-skin covered shako that was issued to Landwehr regiments at the time of Prussia's 'war of liberation' (1813) when they finally succeeded in ousting the forces of Napoleon Bonaparte from the last remaining parts of German soil that they had occupied. Katie Re-Registered
  • Score: -21

4:59pm Sun 29 Jun 14

Ian (Mac) MacKinlay says...

Twenty-first paragraph:

"Our city centre should be a place the whole community enjoys - and feels safe in doing so."

Twelfth paragraph:

" . . . about anti-social behaviour including begging, graffiti, street drinking and general rowdiness."


Can we add to the list of anti-social behaviour activities mentioned above the riding of bicycles through the pedestrianized parts of the City?

I do not feel safe simply walking in the town centre because of the cyclists.

The Police, the PCOs, and the town wardens, rarely do anything about the problem.

They will typically allow cyclists to whizz past, without butting an eyelid.

Doing something about this behaviour is also part of the job they are paid to do.

Anti-social behaviour in Newport includes the following:

begging, graffiti, street drinking and general rowdiness and the riding of bicycles in pedestrianized areas.

Riding bicycles in pedestrianized areas is illegal.

Why is the law not enforced?
Twenty-first paragraph: "Our city centre should be a place the whole community enjoys - and feels safe in doing so." Twelfth paragraph: " . . . about anti-social behaviour including begging, graffiti, street drinking and general rowdiness." Can we add to the list of anti-social behaviour activities mentioned above the riding of bicycles through the pedestrianized parts of the City? I do not feel safe simply walking in the town centre because of the cyclists. The Police, the PCOs, and the town wardens, rarely do anything about the problem. They will typically allow cyclists to whizz past, without butting an eyelid. Doing something about this behaviour is also part of the job they are paid to do. Anti-social behaviour in Newport includes the following: begging, graffiti, street drinking and general rowdiness and the riding of bicycles in pedestrianized areas. Riding bicycles in pedestrianized areas is illegal. Why is the law not enforced? Ian (Mac) MacKinlay
  • Score: 0

5:12pm Sun 29 Jun 14

Thomas O'Malley says...

Ian (Mac) MacKinlay wrote:
Twenty-first paragraph:

"Our city centre should be a place the whole community enjoys - and feels safe in doing so."

Twelfth paragraph:

" . . . about anti-social behaviour including begging, graffiti, street drinking and general rowdiness."


Can we add to the list of anti-social behaviour activities mentioned above the riding of bicycles through the pedestrianized parts of the City?

I do not feel safe simply walking in the town centre because of the cyclists.

The Police, the PCOs, and the town wardens, rarely do anything about the problem.

They will typically allow cyclists to whizz past, without butting an eyelid.

Doing something about this behaviour is also part of the job they are paid to do.

Anti-social behaviour in Newport includes the following:

begging, graffiti, street drinking and general rowdiness and the riding of bicycles in pedestrianized areas.

Riding bicycles in pedestrianized areas is illegal.

Why is the law not enforced?
Really ? I've not noticed many cyclists let alone cyclists being anti-social. Cycling is an integral part of the transport and leisure environment of most cities and should be encouraged. Unless of course cyclists are being deliberately reckless but the PCSOs should be able to show some common sense to separate troublemakers from casual cyclists.
[quote][p][bold]Ian (Mac) MacKinlay[/bold] wrote: Twenty-first paragraph: "Our city centre should be a place the whole community enjoys - and feels safe in doing so." Twelfth paragraph: " . . . about anti-social behaviour including begging, graffiti, street drinking and general rowdiness." Can we add to the list of anti-social behaviour activities mentioned above the riding of bicycles through the pedestrianized parts of the City? I do not feel safe simply walking in the town centre because of the cyclists. The Police, the PCOs, and the town wardens, rarely do anything about the problem. They will typically allow cyclists to whizz past, without butting an eyelid. Doing something about this behaviour is also part of the job they are paid to do. Anti-social behaviour in Newport includes the following: begging, graffiti, street drinking and general rowdiness and the riding of bicycles in pedestrianized areas. Riding bicycles in pedestrianized areas is illegal. Why is the law not enforced?[/p][/quote]Really ? I've not noticed many cyclists let alone cyclists being anti-social. Cycling is an integral part of the transport and leisure environment of most cities and should be encouraged. Unless of course cyclists are being deliberately reckless but the PCSOs should be able to show some common sense to separate troublemakers from casual cyclists. Thomas O'Malley
  • Score: 17

6:19pm Sun 29 Jun 14

pigbag says...

Katie Re-Registered wrote:
The Feibusch murals are beautiful and very evocative, but it has to be said the now destroyed mural that was under the subway was a more historically accurate depiction - particularly with regard to the costumes that would have been worn in 1839. Possibly reflecting his own background, the figures representative of chartists that Feibusch has depicted are actually attired in styles more typically of the German peasantry of the early 19th century - indeed one seems to be wearing the cylindrical-shaped, oil-skin covered shako that was issued to Landwehr regiments at the time of Prussia's 'war of liberation' (1813) when they finally succeeded in ousting the forces of Napoleon Bonaparte from the last remaining parts of German soil that they had occupied.
I just said the exact same thing to the Mrs.
[quote][p][bold]Katie Re-Registered[/bold] wrote: The Feibusch murals are beautiful and very evocative, but it has to be said the now destroyed mural that was under the subway was a more historically accurate depiction - particularly with regard to the costumes that would have been worn in 1839. Possibly reflecting his own background, the figures representative of chartists that Feibusch has depicted are actually attired in styles more typically of the German peasantry of the early 19th century - indeed one seems to be wearing the cylindrical-shaped, oil-skin covered shako that was issued to Landwehr regiments at the time of Prussia's 'war of liberation' (1813) when they finally succeeded in ousting the forces of Napoleon Bonaparte from the last remaining parts of German soil that they had occupied.[/p][/quote]I just said the exact same thing to the Mrs. pigbag
  • Score: 13

6:35pm Sun 29 Jun 14

scraptheWAG says...

Ian (Mac) MacKinlay wrote:
Twenty-first paragraph:

"Our city centre should be a place the whole community enjoys - and feels safe in doing so."

Twelfth paragraph:

" . . . about anti-social behaviour including begging, graffiti, street drinking and general rowdiness."


Can we add to the list of anti-social behaviour activities mentioned above the riding of bicycles through the pedestrianized parts of the City?

I do not feel safe simply walking in the town centre because of the cyclists.

The Police, the PCOs, and the town wardens, rarely do anything about the problem.

They will typically allow cyclists to whizz past, without butting an eyelid.

Doing something about this behaviour is also part of the job they are paid to do.

Anti-social behaviour in Newport includes the following:

begging, graffiti, street drinking and general rowdiness and the riding of bicycles in pedestrianized areas.

Riding bicycles in pedestrianized areas is illegal.

Why is the law not enforced?
newport police and lazy and useless i have tried to report crimes before and their not interested
[quote][p][bold]Ian (Mac) MacKinlay[/bold] wrote: Twenty-first paragraph: "Our city centre should be a place the whole community enjoys - and feels safe in doing so." Twelfth paragraph: " . . . about anti-social behaviour including begging, graffiti, street drinking and general rowdiness." Can we add to the list of anti-social behaviour activities mentioned above the riding of bicycles through the pedestrianized parts of the City? I do not feel safe simply walking in the town centre because of the cyclists. The Police, the PCOs, and the town wardens, rarely do anything about the problem. They will typically allow cyclists to whizz past, without butting an eyelid. Doing something about this behaviour is also part of the job they are paid to do. Anti-social behaviour in Newport includes the following: begging, graffiti, street drinking and general rowdiness and the riding of bicycles in pedestrianized areas. Riding bicycles in pedestrianized areas is illegal. Why is the law not enforced?[/p][/quote]newport police and lazy and useless i have tried to report crimes before and their not interested scraptheWAG
  • Score: -1

6:41pm Sun 29 Jun 14

KarloMarko says...

The police should be given powers to warn fat people to "shape up". A stop and slim power. The people of Newport are expanding at an alarming rate. Walking down high street now is like struggling through a seal enclosure. Some of the buses are running at half speed with the excess load. Don't these people ever stop and think, "No, I dont want to end up like Elvis or worse, Eric Pickles"?
The police should be given powers to warn fat people to "shape up". A stop and slim power. The people of Newport are expanding at an alarming rate. Walking down high street now is like struggling through a seal enclosure. Some of the buses are running at half speed with the excess load. Don't these people ever stop and think, "No, I dont want to end up like Elvis or worse, Eric Pickles"? KarloMarko
  • Score: -5

6:42pm Sun 29 Jun 14

Limestonecowboy says...

Thomas O'Malley wrote:
Ian (Mac) MacKinlay wrote: Twenty-first paragraph: "Our city centre should be a place the whole community enjoys - and feels safe in doing so." Twelfth paragraph: " . . . about anti-social behaviour including begging, graffiti, street drinking and general rowdiness." Can we add to the list of anti-social behaviour activities mentioned above the riding of bicycles through the pedestrianized parts of the City? I do not feel safe simply walking in the town centre because of the cyclists. The Police, the PCOs, and the town wardens, rarely do anything about the problem. They will typically allow cyclists to whizz past, without butting an eyelid. Doing something about this behaviour is also part of the job they are paid to do. Anti-social behaviour in Newport includes the following: begging, graffiti, street drinking and general rowdiness and the riding of bicycles in pedestrianized areas. Riding bicycles in pedestrianized areas is illegal. Why is the law not enforced?
Really ? I've not noticed many cyclists let alone cyclists being anti-social. Cycling is an integral part of the transport and leisure environment of most cities and should be encouraged. Unless of course cyclists are being deliberately reckless but the PCSOs should be able to show some common sense to separate troublemakers from casual cyclists.
I have seen cycling at high speed weaving around pedestrians a collision would likely result in injury so its dangerous its the same a cycling on the pavement.,
[quote][p][bold]Thomas O'Malley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ian (Mac) MacKinlay[/bold] wrote: Twenty-first paragraph: "Our city centre should be a place the whole community enjoys - and feels safe in doing so." Twelfth paragraph: " . . . about anti-social behaviour including begging, graffiti, street drinking and general rowdiness." Can we add to the list of anti-social behaviour activities mentioned above the riding of bicycles through the pedestrianized parts of the City? I do not feel safe simply walking in the town centre because of the cyclists. The Police, the PCOs, and the town wardens, rarely do anything about the problem. They will typically allow cyclists to whizz past, without butting an eyelid. Doing something about this behaviour is also part of the job they are paid to do. Anti-social behaviour in Newport includes the following: begging, graffiti, street drinking and general rowdiness and the riding of bicycles in pedestrianized areas. Riding bicycles in pedestrianized areas is illegal. Why is the law not enforced?[/p][/quote]Really ? I've not noticed many cyclists let alone cyclists being anti-social. Cycling is an integral part of the transport and leisure environment of most cities and should be encouraged. Unless of course cyclists are being deliberately reckless but the PCSOs should be able to show some common sense to separate troublemakers from casual cyclists.[/p][/quote]I have seen cycling at high speed weaving around pedestrians a collision would likely result in injury so its dangerous its the same a cycling on the pavement., Limestonecowboy
  • Score: 1

7:14pm Sun 29 Jun 14

Woodgnome says...

Thomas O'Malley wrote:
Ian (Mac) MacKinlay wrote:
Twenty-first paragraph:

"Our city centre should be a place the whole community enjoys - and feels safe in doing so."

Twelfth paragraph:

" . . . about anti-social behaviour including begging, graffiti, street drinking and general rowdiness."


Can we add to the list of anti-social behaviour activities mentioned above the riding of bicycles through the pedestrianized parts of the City?

I do not feel safe simply walking in the town centre because of the cyclists.

The Police, the PCOs, and the town wardens, rarely do anything about the problem.

They will typically allow cyclists to whizz past, without butting an eyelid.

Doing something about this behaviour is also part of the job they are paid to do.

Anti-social behaviour in Newport includes the following:

begging, graffiti, street drinking and general rowdiness and the riding of bicycles in pedestrianized areas.

Riding bicycles in pedestrianized areas is illegal.

Why is the law not enforced?
Really ? I've not noticed many cyclists let alone cyclists being anti-social. Cycling is an integral part of the transport and leisure environment of most cities and should be encouraged. Unless of course cyclists are being deliberately reckless but the PCSOs should be able to show some common sense to separate troublemakers from casual cyclists.
Come off it Thomas - you protest too much.

The comment was about the clots who cycle through the pedestrianized area which is not allowed. We know many cyclists don't like obeying the traffic rules and that can indeed be anti social.
[quote][p][bold]Thomas O'Malley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ian (Mac) MacKinlay[/bold] wrote: Twenty-first paragraph: "Our city centre should be a place the whole community enjoys - and feels safe in doing so." Twelfth paragraph: " . . . about anti-social behaviour including begging, graffiti, street drinking and general rowdiness." Can we add to the list of anti-social behaviour activities mentioned above the riding of bicycles through the pedestrianized parts of the City? I do not feel safe simply walking in the town centre because of the cyclists. The Police, the PCOs, and the town wardens, rarely do anything about the problem. They will typically allow cyclists to whizz past, without butting an eyelid. Doing something about this behaviour is also part of the job they are paid to do. Anti-social behaviour in Newport includes the following: begging, graffiti, street drinking and general rowdiness and the riding of bicycles in pedestrianized areas. Riding bicycles in pedestrianized areas is illegal. Why is the law not enforced?[/p][/quote]Really ? I've not noticed many cyclists let alone cyclists being anti-social. Cycling is an integral part of the transport and leisure environment of most cities and should be encouraged. Unless of course cyclists are being deliberately reckless but the PCSOs should be able to show some common sense to separate troublemakers from casual cyclists.[/p][/quote]Come off it Thomas - you protest too much. The comment was about the clots who cycle through the pedestrianized area which is not allowed. We know many cyclists don't like obeying the traffic rules and that can indeed be anti social. Woodgnome
  • Score: -9

7:22pm Sun 29 Jun 14

NakedDancer says...

Ian (Mac) MacKinlay wrote:
Twenty-first paragraph:

"Our city centre should be a place the whole community enjoys - and feels safe in doing so."

Twelfth paragraph:

" . . . about anti-social behaviour including begging, graffiti, street drinking and general rowdiness."


Can we add to the list of anti-social behaviour activities mentioned above the riding of bicycles through the pedestrianized parts of the City?

I do not feel safe simply walking in the town centre because of the cyclists.

The Police, the PCOs, and the town wardens, rarely do anything about the problem.

They will typically allow cyclists to whizz past, without butting an eyelid.

Doing something about this behaviour is also part of the job they are paid to do.

Anti-social behaviour in Newport includes the following:

begging, graffiti, street drinking and general rowdiness and the riding of bicycles in pedestrianized areas.

Riding bicycles in pedestrianized areas is illegal.

Why is the law not enforced?
The law is highly confusing on this matter - check out bikehut.co.uk for details. Firstly the laws are old and based on 'cycling on the footway (ie pavement)' when motorised traffic volumes and speeds were very different to today. Children are not liable under 10 years old and for safety reasons its unlikely children under 16 could be held liable. Due to congestion the Department for Transport encourages cycling and recognizes it is often dangerous for cyclists of all ages on modern day roads. All studies on this subject have concluded that collisions between pedestrians and cyclists are so rare as to be irrelevant - basically because cyclists adjust their behaviour to the volume and movement of pedestrians.

Hence DfT has issued guidance to police, councils etc telling them to use common sense and stating that fixed penalties should only be issued in clear cases of reckless anti-social behaviour.

Add to the above that the laws as written don't clearly address pedestrian areas in towns. Pedestrian areas are rarely signposted no cycling and even if they are all the above get-outs apply. Every fixed penalty notice fails unless there is a clear anti-social troublemaker element to the case. Hence the PCSOs, council etc don't intervene unless a cyclist is causing a real and deliberate problem - as opposed to pedestrians just not liking cyclists in the same space.
[quote][p][bold]Ian (Mac) MacKinlay[/bold] wrote: Twenty-first paragraph: "Our city centre should be a place the whole community enjoys - and feels safe in doing so." Twelfth paragraph: " . . . about anti-social behaviour including begging, graffiti, street drinking and general rowdiness." Can we add to the list of anti-social behaviour activities mentioned above the riding of bicycles through the pedestrianized parts of the City? I do not feel safe simply walking in the town centre because of the cyclists. The Police, the PCOs, and the town wardens, rarely do anything about the problem. They will typically allow cyclists to whizz past, without butting an eyelid. Doing something about this behaviour is also part of the job they are paid to do. Anti-social behaviour in Newport includes the following: begging, graffiti, street drinking and general rowdiness and the riding of bicycles in pedestrianized areas. Riding bicycles in pedestrianized areas is illegal. Why is the law not enforced?[/p][/quote]The law is highly confusing on this matter - check out bikehut.co.uk for details. Firstly the laws are old and based on 'cycling on the footway (ie pavement)' when motorised traffic volumes and speeds were very different to today. Children are not liable under 10 years old and for safety reasons its unlikely children under 16 could be held liable. Due to congestion the Department for Transport encourages cycling and recognizes it is often dangerous for cyclists of all ages on modern day roads. All studies on this subject have concluded that collisions between pedestrians and cyclists are so rare as to be irrelevant - basically because cyclists adjust their behaviour to the volume and movement of pedestrians. Hence DfT has issued guidance to police, councils etc telling them to use common sense and stating that fixed penalties should only be issued in clear cases of reckless anti-social behaviour. Add to the above that the laws as written don't clearly address pedestrian areas in towns. Pedestrian areas are rarely signposted no cycling and even if they are all the above get-outs apply. Every fixed penalty notice fails unless there is a clear anti-social troublemaker element to the case. Hence the PCSOs, council etc don't intervene unless a cyclist is causing a real and deliberate problem - as opposed to pedestrians just not liking cyclists in the same space. NakedDancer
  • Score: 18

7:36pm Sun 29 Jun 14

Thomas O'Malley says...

Woodgnome wrote:
Thomas O'Malley wrote:
Ian (Mac) MacKinlay wrote:
Twenty-first paragraph:

"Our city centre should be a place the whole community enjoys - and feels safe in doing so."

Twelfth paragraph:

" . . . about anti-social behaviour including begging, graffiti, street drinking and general rowdiness."


Can we add to the list of anti-social behaviour activities mentioned above the riding of bicycles through the pedestrianized parts of the City?

I do not feel safe simply walking in the town centre because of the cyclists.

The Police, the PCOs, and the town wardens, rarely do anything about the problem.

They will typically allow cyclists to whizz past, without butting an eyelid.

Doing something about this behaviour is also part of the job they are paid to do.

Anti-social behaviour in Newport includes the following:

begging, graffiti, street drinking and general rowdiness and the riding of bicycles in pedestrianized areas.

Riding bicycles in pedestrianized areas is illegal.

Why is the law not enforced?
Really ? I've not noticed many cyclists let alone cyclists being anti-social. Cycling is an integral part of the transport and leisure environment of most cities and should be encouraged. Unless of course cyclists are being deliberately reckless but the PCSOs should be able to show some common sense to separate troublemakers from casual cyclists.
Come off it Thomas - you protest too much.

The comment was about the clots who cycle through the pedestrianized area which is not allowed. We know many cyclists don't like obeying the traffic rules and that can indeed be anti social.
I'm not a cyclist but, as I said, I haven't noticed any cyclists causing a problem. This thread is about anti-social behaviour in the town centre not cyclists generally. If anyone is acting in an antisocial way then I agree throw the book at them. As explained by NakedDancer its far from unclear how the law applies but people cycling carefully and responsibly is nothing to do with anti-social behaviour. It happens in towns all around the UK and Europe. Newport has far more pressing problems.
[quote][p][bold]Woodgnome[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thomas O'Malley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ian (Mac) MacKinlay[/bold] wrote: Twenty-first paragraph: "Our city centre should be a place the whole community enjoys - and feels safe in doing so." Twelfth paragraph: " . . . about anti-social behaviour including begging, graffiti, street drinking and general rowdiness." Can we add to the list of anti-social behaviour activities mentioned above the riding of bicycles through the pedestrianized parts of the City? I do not feel safe simply walking in the town centre because of the cyclists. The Police, the PCOs, and the town wardens, rarely do anything about the problem. They will typically allow cyclists to whizz past, without butting an eyelid. Doing something about this behaviour is also part of the job they are paid to do. Anti-social behaviour in Newport includes the following: begging, graffiti, street drinking and general rowdiness and the riding of bicycles in pedestrianized areas. Riding bicycles in pedestrianized areas is illegal. Why is the law not enforced?[/p][/quote]Really ? I've not noticed many cyclists let alone cyclists being anti-social. Cycling is an integral part of the transport and leisure environment of most cities and should be encouraged. Unless of course cyclists are being deliberately reckless but the PCSOs should be able to show some common sense to separate troublemakers from casual cyclists.[/p][/quote]Come off it Thomas - you protest too much. The comment was about the clots who cycle through the pedestrianized area which is not allowed. We know many cyclists don't like obeying the traffic rules and that can indeed be anti social.[/p][/quote]I'm not a cyclist but, as I said, I haven't noticed any cyclists causing a problem. This thread is about anti-social behaviour in the town centre not cyclists generally. If anyone is acting in an antisocial way then I agree throw the book at them. As explained by NakedDancer its far from unclear how the law applies but people cycling carefully and responsibly is nothing to do with anti-social behaviour. It happens in towns all around the UK and Europe. Newport has far more pressing problems. Thomas O'Malley
  • Score: 14

7:55pm Sun 29 Jun 14

Melvyn The Milk says...

KarloMarko wrote:
The police should be given powers to warn fat people to "shape up". A stop and slim power. The people of Newport are expanding at an alarming rate. Walking down high street now is like struggling through a seal enclosure. Some of the buses are running at half speed with the excess load. Don't these people ever stop and think, "No, I dont want to end up like Elvis or worse, Eric Pickles"?
Obesity levels in all of Gwent are alarming. I have to agree. And it has nothing to do with income.
[quote][p][bold]KarloMarko[/bold] wrote: The police should be given powers to warn fat people to "shape up". A stop and slim power. The people of Newport are expanding at an alarming rate. Walking down high street now is like struggling through a seal enclosure. Some of the buses are running at half speed with the excess load. Don't these people ever stop and think, "No, I dont want to end up like Elvis or worse, Eric Pickles"?[/p][/quote]Obesity levels in all of Gwent are alarming. I have to agree. And it has nothing to do with income. Melvyn The Milk
  • Score: -6

7:58pm Sun 29 Jun 14

Woodgnome says...

Thomas O'Malley wrote:
Woodgnome wrote:
Thomas O'Malley wrote:
Ian (Mac) MacKinlay wrote:
Twenty-first paragraph:

"Our city centre should be a place the whole community enjoys - and feels safe in doing so."

Twelfth paragraph:

" . . . about anti-social behaviour including begging, graffiti, street drinking and general rowdiness."


Can we add to the list of anti-social behaviour activities mentioned above the riding of bicycles through the pedestrianized parts of the City?

I do not feel safe simply walking in the town centre because of the cyclists.

The Police, the PCOs, and the town wardens, rarely do anything about the problem.

They will typically allow cyclists to whizz past, without butting an eyelid.

Doing something about this behaviour is also part of the job they are paid to do.

Anti-social behaviour in Newport includes the following:

begging, graffiti, street drinking and general rowdiness and the riding of bicycles in pedestrianized areas.

Riding bicycles in pedestrianized areas is illegal.

Why is the law not enforced?
Really ? I've not noticed many cyclists let alone cyclists being anti-social. Cycling is an integral part of the transport and leisure environment of most cities and should be encouraged. Unless of course cyclists are being deliberately reckless but the PCSOs should be able to show some common sense to separate troublemakers from casual cyclists.
Come off it Thomas - you protest too much.

The comment was about the clots who cycle through the pedestrianized area which is not allowed. We know many cyclists don't like obeying the traffic rules and that can indeed be anti social.
I'm not a cyclist but, as I said, I haven't noticed any cyclists causing a problem. This thread is about anti-social behaviour in the town centre not cyclists generally. If anyone is acting in an antisocial way then I agree throw the book at them. As explained by NakedDancer its far from unclear how the law applies but people cycling carefully and responsibly is nothing to do with anti-social behaviour. It happens in towns all around the UK and Europe. Newport has far more pressing problems.
I's not unclear at all if there is a Council byelaw. it took me 30 secs with a simple google search on the bikehub-

CAN I CYCLE IN A PEDESTRIANISED ZONE?
. If there is signage prohibiting cycling, Thou Must Not Cycle
[quote][p][bold]Thomas O'Malley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Woodgnome[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thomas O'Malley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ian (Mac) MacKinlay[/bold] wrote: Twenty-first paragraph: "Our city centre should be a place the whole community enjoys - and feels safe in doing so." Twelfth paragraph: " . . . about anti-social behaviour including begging, graffiti, street drinking and general rowdiness." Can we add to the list of anti-social behaviour activities mentioned above the riding of bicycles through the pedestrianized parts of the City? I do not feel safe simply walking in the town centre because of the cyclists. The Police, the PCOs, and the town wardens, rarely do anything about the problem. They will typically allow cyclists to whizz past, without butting an eyelid. Doing something about this behaviour is also part of the job they are paid to do. Anti-social behaviour in Newport includes the following: begging, graffiti, street drinking and general rowdiness and the riding of bicycles in pedestrianized areas. Riding bicycles in pedestrianized areas is illegal. Why is the law not enforced?[/p][/quote]Really ? I've not noticed many cyclists let alone cyclists being anti-social. Cycling is an integral part of the transport and leisure environment of most cities and should be encouraged. Unless of course cyclists are being deliberately reckless but the PCSOs should be able to show some common sense to separate troublemakers from casual cyclists.[/p][/quote]Come off it Thomas - you protest too much. The comment was about the clots who cycle through the pedestrianized area which is not allowed. We know many cyclists don't like obeying the traffic rules and that can indeed be anti social.[/p][/quote]I'm not a cyclist but, as I said, I haven't noticed any cyclists causing a problem. This thread is about anti-social behaviour in the town centre not cyclists generally. If anyone is acting in an antisocial way then I agree throw the book at them. As explained by NakedDancer its far from unclear how the law applies but people cycling carefully and responsibly is nothing to do with anti-social behaviour. It happens in towns all around the UK and Europe. Newport has far more pressing problems.[/p][/quote]I's not unclear at all if there is a Council byelaw. it took me 30 secs with a simple google search on the bikehub- CAN I CYCLE IN A PEDESTRIANISED ZONE? [Also see the 'walkway' advice above]. If there is signage prohibiting cycling, Thou Must Not Cycle Woodgnome
  • Score: -14

8:12pm Sun 29 Jun 14

Woodgnome says...

Melvyn The Milk wrote:
KarloMarko wrote:
The police should be given powers to warn fat people to "shape up". A stop and slim power. The people of Newport are expanding at an alarming rate. Walking down high street now is like struggling through a seal enclosure. Some of the buses are running at half speed with the excess load. Don't these people ever stop and think, "No, I dont want to end up like Elvis or worse, Eric Pickles"?
Obesity levels in all of Gwent are alarming. I have to agree. And it has nothing to do with income.
I have to agree. Deportation for fatties I say. It's a win, win situation - you get the fat average in Gwent down and there are too many tanned, fit, thin people in Australia anyway. May sure they are sent on container ships though -you don't want a fatty next to you on an aeroplane I can tell you with confidence.
[quote][p][bold]Melvyn The Milk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KarloMarko[/bold] wrote: The police should be given powers to warn fat people to "shape up". A stop and slim power. The people of Newport are expanding at an alarming rate. Walking down high street now is like struggling through a seal enclosure. Some of the buses are running at half speed with the excess load. Don't these people ever stop and think, "No, I dont want to end up like Elvis or worse, Eric Pickles"?[/p][/quote]Obesity levels in all of Gwent are alarming. I have to agree. And it has nothing to do with income.[/p][/quote]I have to agree. Deportation for fatties I say. It's a win, win situation - you get the fat average in Gwent down and there are too many tanned, fit, thin people in Australia anyway. May sure they are sent on container ships though -you don't want a fatty next to you on an aeroplane I can tell you with confidence. Woodgnome
  • Score: -14

8:18pm Sun 29 Jun 14

KarloMarko says...

They could take up. Of couurs
They could take up. Of couurs KarloMarko
  • Score: -14

8:30pm Sun 29 Jun 14

KarloMarko says...

Oppps...

There should be "fat gates" throughout Newport that lightly tasser the "overlarge" as they try to squeeze through. It may sound harsh but one of those outside Iceland would stop people buying eight packs of Artic Rolls and four Scotch eggs..."just for the bus home".
Oppps... There should be "fat gates" throughout Newport that lightly tasser the "overlarge" as they try to squeeze through. It may sound harsh but one of those outside Iceland would stop people buying eight packs of Artic Rolls and four Scotch eggs..."just for the bus home". KarloMarko
  • Score: -3

8:31pm Sun 29 Jun 14

Rogerstone paul says...

Guys this is great news for Newport. Get rid of the dregs to encourage the sort of people we want in our city.
Guys this is great news for Newport. Get rid of the dregs to encourage the sort of people we want in our city. Rogerstone paul
  • Score: 18

8:40pm Sun 29 Jun 14

Woodgnome says...

Ohh - I misread the headline. I thought it said " It's time to take back the city centre from truffle makers.

Is there no old ballista knocking around the castle? Those trapped in Karlo's fat gates could be catapulted out of Market Street over the shopping centre into the Usk for a first offence. Temporary lodgement in the Usk could double a living barrage.
Ohh - I misread the headline. I thought it said " It's time to take back the city centre from truffle makers. Is there no old ballista knocking around the castle? Those trapped in Karlo's fat gates could be catapulted out of Market Street over the shopping centre into the Usk for a first offence. Temporary lodgement in the Usk could double a living barrage. Woodgnome
  • Score: -17

9:16pm Sun 29 Jun 14

KarloMarko says...

There's a rumour that Debenham's have budgeted an exta £500,000 for extra wide doors in Newport....

I will certainly be avoid the "crush" on day one.
There's a rumour that Debenham's have budgeted an exta £500,000 for extra wide doors in Newport.... I will certainly be avoid the "crush" on day one. KarloMarko
  • Score: -8

9:31pm Sun 29 Jun 14

Thomas O'Malley says...

Woodgnome wrote:
Thomas O'Malley wrote:
Woodgnome wrote:
Thomas O'Malley wrote:
Ian (Mac) MacKinlay wrote:
Twenty-first paragraph:

"Our city centre should be a place the whole community enjoys - and feels safe in doing so."

Twelfth paragraph:

" . . . about anti-social behaviour including begging, graffiti, street drinking and general rowdiness."


Can we add to the list of anti-social behaviour activities mentioned above the riding of bicycles through the pedestrianized parts of the City?

I do not feel safe simply walking in the town centre because of the cyclists.

The Police, the PCOs, and the town wardens, rarely do anything about the problem.

They will typically allow cyclists to whizz past, without butting an eyelid.

Doing something about this behaviour is also part of the job they are paid to do.

Anti-social behaviour in Newport includes the following:

begging, graffiti, street drinking and general rowdiness and the riding of bicycles in pedestrianized areas.

Riding bicycles in pedestrianized areas is illegal.

Why is the law not enforced?
Really ? I've not noticed many cyclists let alone cyclists being anti-social. Cycling is an integral part of the transport and leisure environment of most cities and should be encouraged. Unless of course cyclists are being deliberately reckless but the PCSOs should be able to show some common sense to separate troublemakers from casual cyclists.
Come off it Thomas - you protest too much.

The comment was about the clots who cycle through the pedestrianized area which is not allowed. We know many cyclists don't like obeying the traffic rules and that can indeed be anti social.
I'm not a cyclist but, as I said, I haven't noticed any cyclists causing a problem. This thread is about anti-social behaviour in the town centre not cyclists generally. If anyone is acting in an antisocial way then I agree throw the book at them. As explained by NakedDancer its far from unclear how the law applies but people cycling carefully and responsibly is nothing to do with anti-social behaviour. It happens in towns all around the UK and Europe. Newport has far more pressing problems.
I's not unclear at all if there is a Council byelaw. it took me 30 secs with a simple google search on the bikehub-

CAN I CYCLE IN A PEDESTRIANISED ZONE?
. If there is signage prohibiting cycling, Thou Must Not Cycle
You obviously didn't read very far on bikehut or you would have seen the points made earlier re Dept for Transport direction to councils and unenforceability re under 16s. Just because you don't like cyclists doesn't make it antisocial. There's no chance of anyone enforcing no cycling against responsible careful cyclists.
[quote][p][bold]Woodgnome[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thomas O'Malley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Woodgnome[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thomas O'Malley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ian (Mac) MacKinlay[/bold] wrote: Twenty-first paragraph: "Our city centre should be a place the whole community enjoys - and feels safe in doing so." Twelfth paragraph: " . . . about anti-social behaviour including begging, graffiti, street drinking and general rowdiness." Can we add to the list of anti-social behaviour activities mentioned above the riding of bicycles through the pedestrianized parts of the City? I do not feel safe simply walking in the town centre because of the cyclists. The Police, the PCOs, and the town wardens, rarely do anything about the problem. They will typically allow cyclists to whizz past, without butting an eyelid. Doing something about this behaviour is also part of the job they are paid to do. Anti-social behaviour in Newport includes the following: begging, graffiti, street drinking and general rowdiness and the riding of bicycles in pedestrianized areas. Riding bicycles in pedestrianized areas is illegal. Why is the law not enforced?[/p][/quote]Really ? I've not noticed many cyclists let alone cyclists being anti-social. Cycling is an integral part of the transport and leisure environment of most cities and should be encouraged. Unless of course cyclists are being deliberately reckless but the PCSOs should be able to show some common sense to separate troublemakers from casual cyclists.[/p][/quote]Come off it Thomas - you protest too much. The comment was about the clots who cycle through the pedestrianized area which is not allowed. We know many cyclists don't like obeying the traffic rules and that can indeed be anti social.[/p][/quote]I'm not a cyclist but, as I said, I haven't noticed any cyclists causing a problem. This thread is about anti-social behaviour in the town centre not cyclists generally. If anyone is acting in an antisocial way then I agree throw the book at them. As explained by NakedDancer its far from unclear how the law applies but people cycling carefully and responsibly is nothing to do with anti-social behaviour. It happens in towns all around the UK and Europe. Newport has far more pressing problems.[/p][/quote]I's not unclear at all if there is a Council byelaw. it took me 30 secs with a simple google search on the bikehub- CAN I CYCLE IN A PEDESTRIANISED ZONE? [Also see the 'walkway' advice above]. If there is signage prohibiting cycling, Thou Must Not Cycle[/p][/quote]You obviously didn't read very far on bikehut or you would have seen the points made earlier re Dept for Transport direction to councils and unenforceability re under 16s. Just because you don't like cyclists doesn't make it antisocial. There's no chance of anyone enforcing no cycling against responsible careful cyclists. Thomas O'Malley
  • Score: 8

11:16pm Sun 29 Jun 14

Woodgnome says...

Thomas O'Malley wrote:
Woodgnome wrote:
Thomas O'Malley wrote:
Woodgnome wrote:
Thomas O'Malley wrote:
Ian (Mac) MacKinlay wrote:
Twenty-first paragraph:

"Our city centre should be a place the whole community enjoys - and feels safe in doing so."

Twelfth paragraph:

" . . . about anti-social behaviour including begging, graffiti, street drinking and general rowdiness."


Can we add to the list of anti-social behaviour activities mentioned above the riding of bicycles through the pedestrianized parts of the City?

I do not feel safe simply walking in the town centre because of the cyclists.

The Police, the PCOs, and the town wardens, rarely do anything about the problem.

They will typically allow cyclists to whizz past, without butting an eyelid.

Doing something about this behaviour is also part of the job they are paid to do.

Anti-social behaviour in Newport includes the following:

begging, graffiti, street drinking and general rowdiness and the riding of bicycles in pedestrianized areas.

Riding bicycles in pedestrianized areas is illegal.

Why is the law not enforced?
Really ? I've not noticed many cyclists let alone cyclists being anti-social. Cycling is an integral part of the transport and leisure environment of most cities and should be encouraged. Unless of course cyclists are being deliberately reckless but the PCSOs should be able to show some common sense to separate troublemakers from casual cyclists.
Come off it Thomas - you protest too much.

The comment was about the clots who cycle through the pedestrianized area which is not allowed. We know many cyclists don't like obeying the traffic rules and that can indeed be anti social.
I'm not a cyclist but, as I said, I haven't noticed any cyclists causing a problem. This thread is about anti-social behaviour in the town centre not cyclists generally. If anyone is acting in an antisocial way then I agree throw the book at them. As explained by NakedDancer its far from unclear how the law applies but people cycling carefully and responsibly is nothing to do with anti-social behaviour. It happens in towns all around the UK and Europe. Newport has far more pressing problems.
I's not unclear at all if there is a Council byelaw. it took me 30 secs with a simple google search on the bikehub-

CAN I CYCLE IN A PEDESTRIANISED ZONE?
. If there is signage prohibiting cycling, Thou Must Not Cycle
You obviously didn't read very far on bikehut or you would have seen the points made earlier re Dept for Transport direction to councils and unenforceability re under 16s. Just because you don't like cyclists doesn't make it antisocial. There's no chance of anyone enforcing no cycling against responsible careful cyclists.
So you support people cycling in pedestrianised zones? You wont when granny or a child is knocked over. grow up.
[quote][p][bold]Thomas O'Malley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Woodgnome[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thomas O'Malley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Woodgnome[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thomas O'Malley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ian (Mac) MacKinlay[/bold] wrote: Twenty-first paragraph: "Our city centre should be a place the whole community enjoys - and feels safe in doing so." Twelfth paragraph: " . . . about anti-social behaviour including begging, graffiti, street drinking and general rowdiness." Can we add to the list of anti-social behaviour activities mentioned above the riding of bicycles through the pedestrianized parts of the City? I do not feel safe simply walking in the town centre because of the cyclists. The Police, the PCOs, and the town wardens, rarely do anything about the problem. They will typically allow cyclists to whizz past, without butting an eyelid. Doing something about this behaviour is also part of the job they are paid to do. Anti-social behaviour in Newport includes the following: begging, graffiti, street drinking and general rowdiness and the riding of bicycles in pedestrianized areas. Riding bicycles in pedestrianized areas is illegal. Why is the law not enforced?[/p][/quote]Really ? I've not noticed many cyclists let alone cyclists being anti-social. Cycling is an integral part of the transport and leisure environment of most cities and should be encouraged. Unless of course cyclists are being deliberately reckless but the PCSOs should be able to show some common sense to separate troublemakers from casual cyclists.[/p][/quote]Come off it Thomas - you protest too much. The comment was about the clots who cycle through the pedestrianized area which is not allowed. We know many cyclists don't like obeying the traffic rules and that can indeed be anti social.[/p][/quote]I'm not a cyclist but, as I said, I haven't noticed any cyclists causing a problem. This thread is about anti-social behaviour in the town centre not cyclists generally. If anyone is acting in an antisocial way then I agree throw the book at them. As explained by NakedDancer its far from unclear how the law applies but people cycling carefully and responsibly is nothing to do with anti-social behaviour. It happens in towns all around the UK and Europe. Newport has far more pressing problems.[/p][/quote]I's not unclear at all if there is a Council byelaw. it took me 30 secs with a simple google search on the bikehub- CAN I CYCLE IN A PEDESTRIANISED ZONE? [Also see the 'walkway' advice above]. If there is signage prohibiting cycling, Thou Must Not Cycle[/p][/quote]You obviously didn't read very far on bikehut or you would have seen the points made earlier re Dept for Transport direction to councils and unenforceability re under 16s. Just because you don't like cyclists doesn't make it antisocial. There's no chance of anyone enforcing no cycling against responsible careful cyclists.[/p][/quote]So you support people cycling in pedestrianised zones? You wont when granny or a child is knocked over. grow up. Woodgnome
  • Score: -12

11:46pm Sun 29 Jun 14

Thomas O'Malley says...

Woodgnome wrote:
Thomas O'Malley wrote:
Woodgnome wrote:
Thomas O'Malley wrote:
Woodgnome wrote:
Thomas O'Malley wrote:
Ian (Mac) MacKinlay wrote:
Twenty-first paragraph:

"Our city centre should be a place the whole community enjoys - and feels safe in doing so."

Twelfth paragraph:

" . . . about anti-social behaviour including begging, graffiti, street drinking and general rowdiness."


Can we add to the list of anti-social behaviour activities mentioned above the riding of bicycles through the pedestrianized parts of the City?

I do not feel safe simply walking in the town centre because of the cyclists.

The Police, the PCOs, and the town wardens, rarely do anything about the problem.

They will typically allow cyclists to whizz past, without butting an eyelid.

Doing something about this behaviour is also part of the job they are paid to do.

Anti-social behaviour in Newport includes the following:

begging, graffiti, street drinking and general rowdiness and the riding of bicycles in pedestrianized areas.

Riding bicycles in pedestrianized areas is illegal.

Why is the law not enforced?
Really ? I've not noticed many cyclists let alone cyclists being anti-social. Cycling is an integral part of the transport and leisure environment of most cities and should be encouraged. Unless of course cyclists are being deliberately reckless but the PCSOs should be able to show some common sense to separate troublemakers from casual cyclists.
Come off it Thomas - you protest too much.

The comment was about the clots who cycle through the pedestrianized area which is not allowed. We know many cyclists don't like obeying the traffic rules and that can indeed be anti social.
I'm not a cyclist but, as I said, I haven't noticed any cyclists causing a problem. This thread is about anti-social behaviour in the town centre not cyclists generally. If anyone is acting in an antisocial way then I agree throw the book at them. As explained by NakedDancer its far from unclear how the law applies but people cycling carefully and responsibly is nothing to do with anti-social behaviour. It happens in towns all around the UK and Europe. Newport has far more pressing problems.
I's not unclear at all if there is a Council byelaw. it took me 30 secs with a simple google search on the bikehub-

CAN I CYCLE IN A PEDESTRIANISED ZONE?
. If there is signage prohibiting cycling, Thou Must Not Cycle
You obviously didn't read very far on bikehut or you would have seen the points made earlier re Dept for Transport direction to councils and unenforceability re under 16s. Just because you don't like cyclists doesn't make it antisocial. There's no chance of anyone enforcing no cycling against responsible careful cyclists.
So you support people cycling in pedestrianised zones? You wont when granny or a child is knocked over. grow up.
I haven't stated an opinion only the facts so keep your petty insults to yourself. The department of transport accepts people cycling anywhere so long as they are not causing a problem - partly because all the studies show collisions between cyclists and pedestrians virtually never happen even in towns with high volumes of cycles like Amsterdam.
[quote][p][bold]Woodgnome[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thomas O'Malley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Woodgnome[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thomas O'Malley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Woodgnome[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thomas O'Malley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ian (Mac) MacKinlay[/bold] wrote: Twenty-first paragraph: "Our city centre should be a place the whole community enjoys - and feels safe in doing so." Twelfth paragraph: " . . . about anti-social behaviour including begging, graffiti, street drinking and general rowdiness." Can we add to the list of anti-social behaviour activities mentioned above the riding of bicycles through the pedestrianized parts of the City? I do not feel safe simply walking in the town centre because of the cyclists. The Police, the PCOs, and the town wardens, rarely do anything about the problem. They will typically allow cyclists to whizz past, without butting an eyelid. Doing something about this behaviour is also part of the job they are paid to do. Anti-social behaviour in Newport includes the following: begging, graffiti, street drinking and general rowdiness and the riding of bicycles in pedestrianized areas. Riding bicycles in pedestrianized areas is illegal. Why is the law not enforced?[/p][/quote]Really ? I've not noticed many cyclists let alone cyclists being anti-social. Cycling is an integral part of the transport and leisure environment of most cities and should be encouraged. Unless of course cyclists are being deliberately reckless but the PCSOs should be able to show some common sense to separate troublemakers from casual cyclists.[/p][/quote]Come off it Thomas - you protest too much. The comment was about the clots who cycle through the pedestrianized area which is not allowed. We know many cyclists don't like obeying the traffic rules and that can indeed be anti social.[/p][/quote]I'm not a cyclist but, as I said, I haven't noticed any cyclists causing a problem. This thread is about anti-social behaviour in the town centre not cyclists generally. If anyone is acting in an antisocial way then I agree throw the book at them. As explained by NakedDancer its far from unclear how the law applies but people cycling carefully and responsibly is nothing to do with anti-social behaviour. It happens in towns all around the UK and Europe. Newport has far more pressing problems.[/p][/quote]I's not unclear at all if there is a Council byelaw. it took me 30 secs with a simple google search on the bikehub- CAN I CYCLE IN A PEDESTRIANISED ZONE? [Also see the 'walkway' advice above]. If there is signage prohibiting cycling, Thou Must Not Cycle[/p][/quote]You obviously didn't read very far on bikehut or you would have seen the points made earlier re Dept for Transport direction to councils and unenforceability re under 16s. Just because you don't like cyclists doesn't make it antisocial. There's no chance of anyone enforcing no cycling against responsible careful cyclists.[/p][/quote]So you support people cycling in pedestrianised zones? You wont when granny or a child is knocked over. grow up.[/p][/quote]I haven't stated an opinion only the facts so keep your petty insults to yourself. The department of transport accepts people cycling anywhere so long as they are not causing a problem - partly because all the studies show collisions between cyclists and pedestrians virtually never happen even in towns with high volumes of cycles like Amsterdam. Thomas O'Malley
  • Score: 8

12:20am Mon 30 Jun 14

russ angel says...

Cyclists when in a pedestrian area such as Commercial Street should have the common sense to dismount.If I had turned around a fraction later recently a cyclist who was going so fast that I only saw her on a quick reaction would have knocked me flying and possibly have broken my back.I shouted after her but was ignored.Just because it is a supposed "rare" occurence doesn't mean that it can't happen.Common sense fails a lot of people,luckily I dont have to venture into the pit of anti-social behavior that is Newport Idiot Centre very often,it lost it's spirit years ago.Even a night out is chancing it these days,all this money being spent will do nothing unless this so called "dispersal order" is actually put into action and kept that way.I will stick with Cardiff until I see a real change here,I can get a bus local to me straight there and back and not see any trouble all day,even if Cardiff is far from perfect at least I am not looking over my shoulder all day.What a shame that I can't say that about my hometown.
Cyclists when in a pedestrian area such as Commercial Street should have the common sense to dismount.If I had turned around a fraction later recently a cyclist who was going so fast that I only saw her on a quick reaction would have knocked me flying and possibly have broken my back.I shouted after her but was ignored.Just because it is a supposed "rare" occurence doesn't mean that it can't happen.Common sense fails a lot of people,luckily I dont have to venture into the pit of anti-social behavior that is Newport Idiot Centre very often,it lost it's spirit years ago.Even a night out is chancing it these days,all this money being spent will do nothing unless this so called "dispersal order" is actually put into action and kept that way.I will stick with Cardiff until I see a real change here,I can get a bus local to me straight there and back and not see any trouble all day,even if Cardiff is far from perfect at least I am not looking over my shoulder all day.What a shame that I can't say that about my hometown. russ angel
  • Score: -5

3:01am Mon 30 Jun 14

Dai Rear says...

"Obesity levels in all of Gwent are alarming. I have to agree. And it has nothing to do with income"
Wonder why you felt the need to get that one out. Everything to do with social class. The lower the fatter.
"Obesity levels in all of Gwent are alarming. I have to agree. And it has nothing to do with income" Wonder why you felt the need to get that one out. Everything to do with social class. The lower the fatter. Dai Rear
  • Score: 3

6:13am Mon 30 Jun 14

Woodgnome says...

Thomas O'Malley wrote:
Woodgnome wrote:
Thomas O'Malley wrote:
Woodgnome wrote:
Thomas O'Malley wrote:
Woodgnome wrote:
Thomas O'Malley wrote:
Ian (Mac) MacKinlay wrote:
Twenty-first paragraph:

"Our city centre should be a place the whole community enjoys - and feels safe in doing so."

Twelfth paragraph:

" . . . about anti-social behaviour including begging, graffiti, street drinking and general rowdiness."


Can we add to the list of anti-social behaviour activities mentioned above the riding of bicycles through the pedestrianized parts of the City?

I do not feel safe simply walking in the town centre because of the cyclists.

The Police, the PCOs, and the town wardens, rarely do anything about the problem.

They will typically allow cyclists to whizz past, without butting an eyelid.

Doing something about this behaviour is also part of the job they are paid to do.

Anti-social behaviour in Newport includes the following:

begging, graffiti, street drinking and general rowdiness and the riding of bicycles in pedestrianized areas.

Riding bicycles in pedestrianized areas is illegal.

Why is the law not enforced?
Really ? I've not noticed many cyclists let alone cyclists being anti-social. Cycling is an integral part of the transport and leisure environment of most cities and should be encouraged. Unless of course cyclists are being deliberately reckless but the PCSOs should be able to show some common sense to separate troublemakers from casual cyclists.
Come off it Thomas - you protest too much.

The comment was about the clots who cycle through the pedestrianized area which is not allowed. We know many cyclists don't like obeying the traffic rules and that can indeed be anti social.
I'm not a cyclist but, as I said, I haven't noticed any cyclists causing a problem. This thread is about anti-social behaviour in the town centre not cyclists generally. If anyone is acting in an antisocial way then I agree throw the book at them. As explained by NakedDancer its far from unclear how the law applies but people cycling carefully and responsibly is nothing to do with anti-social behaviour. It happens in towns all around the UK and Europe. Newport has far more pressing problems.
I's not unclear at all if there is a Council byelaw. it took me 30 secs with a simple google search on the bikehub-

CAN I CYCLE IN A PEDESTRIANISED ZONE?
. If there is signage prohibiting cycling, Thou Must Not Cycle
You obviously didn't read very far on bikehut or you would have seen the points made earlier re Dept for Transport direction to councils and unenforceability re under 16s. Just because you don't like cyclists doesn't make it antisocial. There's no chance of anyone enforcing no cycling against responsible careful cyclists.
So you support people cycling in pedestrianised zones? You wont when granny or a child is knocked over. grow up.
I haven't stated an opinion only the facts so keep your petty insults to yourself. The department of transport accepts people cycling anywhere so long as they are not causing a problem - partly because all the studies show collisions between cyclists and pedestrians virtually never happen even in towns with high volumes of cycles like Amsterdam.
Byelaws are not optional. don't confuse them with cycling on pavements by children. That wasn't an insult just an earnest recommendation.
[quote][p][bold]Thomas O'Malley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Woodgnome[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thomas O'Malley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Woodgnome[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thomas O'Malley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Woodgnome[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thomas O'Malley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ian (Mac) MacKinlay[/bold] wrote: Twenty-first paragraph: "Our city centre should be a place the whole community enjoys - and feels safe in doing so." Twelfth paragraph: " . . . about anti-social behaviour including begging, graffiti, street drinking and general rowdiness." Can we add to the list of anti-social behaviour activities mentioned above the riding of bicycles through the pedestrianized parts of the City? I do not feel safe simply walking in the town centre because of the cyclists. The Police, the PCOs, and the town wardens, rarely do anything about the problem. They will typically allow cyclists to whizz past, without butting an eyelid. Doing something about this behaviour is also part of the job they are paid to do. Anti-social behaviour in Newport includes the following: begging, graffiti, street drinking and general rowdiness and the riding of bicycles in pedestrianized areas. Riding bicycles in pedestrianized areas is illegal. Why is the law not enforced?[/p][/quote]Really ? I've not noticed many cyclists let alone cyclists being anti-social. Cycling is an integral part of the transport and leisure environment of most cities and should be encouraged. Unless of course cyclists are being deliberately reckless but the PCSOs should be able to show some common sense to separate troublemakers from casual cyclists.[/p][/quote]Come off it Thomas - you protest too much. The comment was about the clots who cycle through the pedestrianized area which is not allowed. We know many cyclists don't like obeying the traffic rules and that can indeed be anti social.[/p][/quote]I'm not a cyclist but, as I said, I haven't noticed any cyclists causing a problem. This thread is about anti-social behaviour in the town centre not cyclists generally. If anyone is acting in an antisocial way then I agree throw the book at them. As explained by NakedDancer its far from unclear how the law applies but people cycling carefully and responsibly is nothing to do with anti-social behaviour. It happens in towns all around the UK and Europe. Newport has far more pressing problems.[/p][/quote]I's not unclear at all if there is a Council byelaw. it took me 30 secs with a simple google search on the bikehub- CAN I CYCLE IN A PEDESTRIANISED ZONE? [Also see the 'walkway' advice above]. If there is signage prohibiting cycling, Thou Must Not Cycle[/p][/quote]You obviously didn't read very far on bikehut or you would have seen the points made earlier re Dept for Transport direction to councils and unenforceability re under 16s. Just because you don't like cyclists doesn't make it antisocial. There's no chance of anyone enforcing no cycling against responsible careful cyclists.[/p][/quote]So you support people cycling in pedestrianised zones? You wont when granny or a child is knocked over. grow up.[/p][/quote]I haven't stated an opinion only the facts so keep your petty insults to yourself. The department of transport accepts people cycling anywhere so long as they are not causing a problem - partly because all the studies show collisions between cyclists and pedestrians virtually never happen even in towns with high volumes of cycles like Amsterdam.[/p][/quote]Byelaws are not optional. don't confuse them with cycling on pavements by children. That wasn't an insult just an earnest recommendation. Woodgnome
  • Score: -11

6:44am Mon 30 Jun 14

manofponty says...

Ian (Mac) MacKinlay wrote:
Twenty-first paragraph:

"Our city centre should be a place the whole community enjoys - and feels safe in doing so."

Twelfth paragraph:

" . . . about anti-social behaviour including begging, graffiti, street drinking and general rowdiness."


Can we add to the list of anti-social behaviour activities mentioned above the riding of bicycles through the pedestrianized parts of the City?

I do not feel safe simply walking in the town centre because of the cyclists.

The Police, the PCOs, and the town wardens, rarely do anything about the problem.

They will typically allow cyclists to whizz past, without butting an eyelid.

Doing something about this behaviour is also part of the job they are paid to do.

Anti-social behaviour in Newport includes the following:

begging, graffiti, street drinking and general rowdiness and the riding of bicycles in pedestrianized areas.

Riding bicycles in pedestrianized areas is illegal.

Why is the law not enforced?
I fully agree. My wife works in Newport and has to put up with pavement cycling idiots on a daily basis with Bridge Street being one of the worst locations for this selfish and dangerous actiity. She's been almost hit on a number of occaisions while some reguarly shout abuse at her for "being in the way.

It's about time the police took more action.
[quote][p][bold]Ian (Mac) MacKinlay[/bold] wrote: Twenty-first paragraph: "Our city centre should be a place the whole community enjoys - and feels safe in doing so." Twelfth paragraph: " . . . about anti-social behaviour including begging, graffiti, street drinking and general rowdiness." Can we add to the list of anti-social behaviour activities mentioned above the riding of bicycles through the pedestrianized parts of the City? I do not feel safe simply walking in the town centre because of the cyclists. The Police, the PCOs, and the town wardens, rarely do anything about the problem. They will typically allow cyclists to whizz past, without butting an eyelid. Doing something about this behaviour is also part of the job they are paid to do. Anti-social behaviour in Newport includes the following: begging, graffiti, street drinking and general rowdiness and the riding of bicycles in pedestrianized areas. Riding bicycles in pedestrianized areas is illegal. Why is the law not enforced?[/p][/quote]I fully agree. My wife works in Newport and has to put up with pavement cycling idiots on a daily basis with Bridge Street being one of the worst locations for this selfish and dangerous actiity. She's been almost hit on a number of occaisions while some reguarly shout abuse at her for "being in the way. It's about time the police took more action. manofponty
  • Score: -7

8:10am Mon 30 Jun 14

Lliswerry Man says...

I cannot believe again, that the Editor, Yes Kevin... has allowed some of the comments and name calling on here of certain members of society.
Newport is a multi cultural society made up of people from ALL walks of life, to refer to them as some have on here shows clearly YOUR mindset. And as such its people like YOU, that Newport does not need. Newport has always been a Market, Dock town and had a diverse society to work it...... stop trying to make out its some kind of Upmarket Fashionable Vista....... mostly again from people NOT from Newport. IM not saying, it does not need improving, it does, BUT to simply "shove" people out with New Bylaws stinks of clinical cleansing... did we not accuse other world Tyrants of the same? instead address the issues of why some people feel the need to be and act the way they do, But this is too hard for some of you, it would mean you would have to get up and actually do something, other than be a critic from your armchairs, solving all the worlds problems, as they say, Jack of all trades, Master of None.

Yes Newport has its share of lower classes, people waiting and looking for work, homeless and with substance abuse, BUT before condemning them all, ask why is that, and do not use the old scapegoat of politics, YOU are all members of this society and watched it turn into this and did what? to help or assist people.

You all stopped shopping in the centre which is why shops closed, you all were happy for plenty of Pubs and Clubs supplying alcohol, ALL day long....which has added to the decline of decent family shoppers.

Funny old world we live in, some of the KeyBoard Warriors and Armchair Critics on here need to get out more.

As for cycling, as far as I am aware, it has never been allowed on pavements, common sense approach would be a cyclist riding along on a path with NO pedestrians in sight.... clearly in Newport this is not the case, They ride through the subways with no thought for others, mount kerbs to avoid traffic lights, zip through the city centre between pedestrians. But they are not alone, its not only the cyclists that have you quickly moving from, its the Motability Scooters, who are NOT disabled, but simply use them as means to get about because unlike the rest of us, they are too lazy to walk. Again, these Scooters have become a worldwide problem for that exact reason.

Back to work for me...... unlike those with nothing better to do on here all day long.
I cannot believe again, that the Editor, Yes Kevin... has allowed some of the comments and name calling on here of certain members of society. Newport is a multi cultural society made up of people from ALL walks of life, to refer to them as some have on here shows clearly YOUR mindset. And as such its people like YOU, that Newport does not need. Newport has always been a Market, Dock town and had a diverse society to work it...... stop trying to make out its some kind of Upmarket Fashionable Vista....... mostly again from people NOT from Newport. IM not saying, it does not need improving, it does, BUT to simply "shove" people out with New Bylaws stinks of clinical cleansing... did we not accuse other world Tyrants of the same? instead address the issues of why some people feel the need to be and act the way they do, But this is too hard for some of you, it would mean you would have to get up and actually do something, other than be a critic from your armchairs, solving all the worlds problems, as they say, Jack of all trades, Master of None. Yes Newport has its share of lower classes, people waiting and looking for work, homeless and with substance abuse, BUT before condemning them all, ask why is that, and do not use the old scapegoat of politics, YOU are all members of this society and watched it turn into this and did what? to help or assist people. You all stopped shopping in the centre which is why shops closed, you all were happy for plenty of Pubs and Clubs supplying alcohol, ALL day long....which has added to the decline of decent family shoppers. Funny old world we live in, some of the KeyBoard Warriors and Armchair Critics on here need to get out more. As for cycling, as far as I am aware, it has never been allowed on pavements, common sense approach would be a cyclist riding along on a path with NO pedestrians in sight.... clearly in Newport this is not the case, They ride through the subways with no thought for others, mount kerbs to avoid traffic lights, zip through the city centre between pedestrians. But they are not alone, its not only the cyclists that have you quickly moving from, its the Motability Scooters, who are NOT disabled, but simply use them as means to get about because unlike the rest of us, they are too lazy to walk. Again, these Scooters have become a worldwide problem for that exact reason. Back to work for me...... unlike those with nothing better to do on here all day long. Lliswerry Man
  • Score: -11

8:45am Mon 30 Jun 14

NakedDancer says...

Woodgnome wrote:
Thomas O'Malley wrote:
Woodgnome wrote:
Thomas O'Malley wrote:
Woodgnome wrote:
Thomas O'Malley wrote:
Woodgnome wrote:
Thomas O'Malley wrote:
Ian (Mac) MacKinlay wrote:
Twenty-first paragraph:

"Our city centre should be a place the whole community enjoys - and feels safe in doing so."

Twelfth paragraph:

" . . . about anti-social behaviour including begging, graffiti, street drinking and general rowdiness."


Can we add to the list of anti-social behaviour activities mentioned above the riding of bicycles through the pedestrianized parts of the City?

I do not feel safe simply walking in the town centre because of the cyclists.

The Police, the PCOs, and the town wardens, rarely do anything about the problem.

They will typically allow cyclists to whizz past, without butting an eyelid.

Doing something about this behaviour is also part of the job they are paid to do.

Anti-social behaviour in Newport includes the following:

begging, graffiti, street drinking and general rowdiness and the riding of bicycles in pedestrianized areas.

Riding bicycles in pedestrianized areas is illegal.

Why is the law not enforced?
Really ? I've not noticed many cyclists let alone cyclists being anti-social. Cycling is an integral part of the transport and leisure environment of most cities and should be encouraged. Unless of course cyclists are being deliberately reckless but the PCSOs should be able to show some common sense to separate troublemakers from casual cyclists.
Come off it Thomas - you protest too much.

The comment was about the clots who cycle through the pedestrianized area which is not allowed. We know many cyclists don't like obeying the traffic rules and that can indeed be anti social.
I'm not a cyclist but, as I said, I haven't noticed any cyclists causing a problem. This thread is about anti-social behaviour in the town centre not cyclists generally. If anyone is acting in an antisocial way then I agree throw the book at them. As explained by NakedDancer its far from unclear how the law applies but people cycling carefully and responsibly is nothing to do with anti-social behaviour. It happens in towns all around the UK and Europe. Newport has far more pressing problems.
I's not unclear at all if there is a Council byelaw. it took me 30 secs with a simple google search on the bikehub-

CAN I CYCLE IN A PEDESTRIANISED ZONE?
. If there is signage prohibiting cycling, Thou Must Not Cycle
You obviously didn't read very far on bikehut or you would have seen the points made earlier re Dept for Transport direction to councils and unenforceability re under 16s. Just because you don't like cyclists doesn't make it antisocial. There's no chance of anyone enforcing no cycling against responsible careful cyclists.
So you support people cycling in pedestrianised zones? You wont when granny or a child is knocked over. grow up.
I haven't stated an opinion only the facts so keep your petty insults to yourself. The department of transport accepts people cycling anywhere so long as they are not causing a problem - partly because all the studies show collisions between cyclists and pedestrians virtually never happen even in towns with high volumes of cycles like Amsterdam.
Byelaws are not optional. don't confuse them with cycling on pavements by children. That wasn't an insult just an earnest recommendation.
No cycling is not enforced as directed by Dept for Transport. If you disagree you need to take it up with them not argus readers.
[quote][p][bold]Woodgnome[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thomas O'Malley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Woodgnome[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thomas O'Malley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Woodgnome[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thomas O'Malley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Woodgnome[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thomas O'Malley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ian (Mac) MacKinlay[/bold] wrote: Twenty-first paragraph: "Our city centre should be a place the whole community enjoys - and feels safe in doing so." Twelfth paragraph: " . . . about anti-social behaviour including begging, graffiti, street drinking and general rowdiness." Can we add to the list of anti-social behaviour activities mentioned above the riding of bicycles through the pedestrianized parts of the City? I do not feel safe simply walking in the town centre because of the cyclists. The Police, the PCOs, and the town wardens, rarely do anything about the problem. They will typically allow cyclists to whizz past, without butting an eyelid. Doing something about this behaviour is also part of the job they are paid to do. Anti-social behaviour in Newport includes the following: begging, graffiti, street drinking and general rowdiness and the riding of bicycles in pedestrianized areas. Riding bicycles in pedestrianized areas is illegal. Why is the law not enforced?[/p][/quote]Really ? I've not noticed many cyclists let alone cyclists being anti-social. Cycling is an integral part of the transport and leisure environment of most cities and should be encouraged. Unless of course cyclists are being deliberately reckless but the PCSOs should be able to show some common sense to separate troublemakers from casual cyclists.[/p][/quote]Come off it Thomas - you protest too much. The comment was about the clots who cycle through the pedestrianized area which is not allowed. We know many cyclists don't like obeying the traffic rules and that can indeed be anti social.[/p][/quote]I'm not a cyclist but, as I said, I haven't noticed any cyclists causing a problem. This thread is about anti-social behaviour in the town centre not cyclists generally. If anyone is acting in an antisocial way then I agree throw the book at them. As explained by NakedDancer its far from unclear how the law applies but people cycling carefully and responsibly is nothing to do with anti-social behaviour. It happens in towns all around the UK and Europe. Newport has far more pressing problems.[/p][/quote]I's not unclear at all if there is a Council byelaw. it took me 30 secs with a simple google search on the bikehub- CAN I CYCLE IN A PEDESTRIANISED ZONE? [Also see the 'walkway' advice above]. If there is signage prohibiting cycling, Thou Must Not Cycle[/p][/quote]You obviously didn't read very far on bikehut or you would have seen the points made earlier re Dept for Transport direction to councils and unenforceability re under 16s. Just because you don't like cyclists doesn't make it antisocial. There's no chance of anyone enforcing no cycling against responsible careful cyclists.[/p][/quote]So you support people cycling in pedestrianised zones? You wont when granny or a child is knocked over. grow up.[/p][/quote]I haven't stated an opinion only the facts so keep your petty insults to yourself. The department of transport accepts people cycling anywhere so long as they are not causing a problem - partly because all the studies show collisions between cyclists and pedestrians virtually never happen even in towns with high volumes of cycles like Amsterdam.[/p][/quote]Byelaws are not optional. don't confuse them with cycling on pavements by children. That wasn't an insult just an earnest recommendation.[/p][/quote]No cycling is not enforced as directed by Dept for Transport. If you disagree you need to take it up with them not argus readers. NakedDancer
  • Score: 11

8:52am Mon 30 Jun 14

Woodgnome says...

Byelaws are Council and the police. We are in Wales. DOT is England
Byelaws are Council and the police. We are in Wales. DOT is England Woodgnome
  • Score: -15

8:56am Mon 30 Jun 14

Woodgnome says...

Lliswerry Man wrote:
I cannot believe again, that the Editor, Yes Kevin... has allowed some of the comments and name calling on here of certain members of society.
Newport is a multi cultural society made up of people from ALL walks of life, to refer to them as some have on here shows clearly YOUR mindset. And as such its people like YOU, that Newport does not need. Newport has always been a Market, Dock town and had a diverse society to work it...... stop trying to make out its some kind of Upmarket Fashionable Vista....... mostly again from people NOT from Newport. IM not saying, it does not need improving, it does, BUT to simply "shove" people out with New Bylaws stinks of clinical cleansing... did we not accuse other world Tyrants of the same? instead address the issues of why some people feel the need to be and act the way they do, But this is too hard for some of you, it would mean you would have to get up and actually do something, other than be a critic from your armchairs, solving all the worlds problems, as they say, Jack of all trades, Master of None.

Yes Newport has its share of lower classes, people waiting and looking for work, homeless and with substance abuse, BUT before condemning them all, ask why is that, and do not use the old scapegoat of politics, YOU are all members of this society and watched it turn into this and did what? to help or assist people.

You all stopped shopping in the centre which is why shops closed, you all were happy for plenty of Pubs and Clubs supplying alcohol, ALL day long....which has added to the decline of decent family shoppers.

Funny old world we live in, some of the KeyBoard Warriors and Armchair Critics on here need to get out more.

As for cycling, as far as I am aware, it has never been allowed on pavements, common sense approach would be a cyclist riding along on a path with NO pedestrians in sight.... clearly in Newport this is not the case, They ride through the subways with no thought for others, mount kerbs to avoid traffic lights, zip through the city centre between pedestrians. But they are not alone, its not only the cyclists that have you quickly moving from, its the Motability Scooters, who are NOT disabled, but simply use them as means to get about because unlike the rest of us, they are too lazy to walk. Again, these Scooters have become a worldwide problem for that exact reason.

Back to work for me...... unlike those with nothing better to do on here all day long.
Have you had your sense of humour removed?
[quote][p][bold]Lliswerry Man[/bold] wrote: I cannot believe again, that the Editor, Yes Kevin... has allowed some of the comments and name calling on here of certain members of society. Newport is a multi cultural society made up of people from ALL walks of life, to refer to them as some have on here shows clearly YOUR mindset. And as such its people like YOU, that Newport does not need. Newport has always been a Market, Dock town and had a diverse society to work it...... stop trying to make out its some kind of Upmarket Fashionable Vista....... mostly again from people NOT from Newport. IM not saying, it does not need improving, it does, BUT to simply "shove" people out with New Bylaws stinks of clinical cleansing... did we not accuse other world Tyrants of the same? instead address the issues of why some people feel the need to be and act the way they do, But this is too hard for some of you, it would mean you would have to get up and actually do something, other than be a critic from your armchairs, solving all the worlds problems, as they say, Jack of all trades, Master of None. Yes Newport has its share of lower classes, people waiting and looking for work, homeless and with substance abuse, BUT before condemning them all, ask why is that, and do not use the old scapegoat of politics, YOU are all members of this society and watched it turn into this and did what? to help or assist people. You all stopped shopping in the centre which is why shops closed, you all were happy for plenty of Pubs and Clubs supplying alcohol, ALL day long....which has added to the decline of decent family shoppers. Funny old world we live in, some of the KeyBoard Warriors and Armchair Critics on here need to get out more. As for cycling, as far as I am aware, it has never been allowed on pavements, common sense approach would be a cyclist riding along on a path with NO pedestrians in sight.... clearly in Newport this is not the case, They ride through the subways with no thought for others, mount kerbs to avoid traffic lights, zip through the city centre between pedestrians. But they are not alone, its not only the cyclists that have you quickly moving from, its the Motability Scooters, who are NOT disabled, but simply use them as means to get about because unlike the rest of us, they are too lazy to walk. Again, these Scooters have become a worldwide problem for that exact reason. Back to work for me...... unlike those with nothing better to do on here all day long.[/p][/quote]Have you had your sense of humour removed? Woodgnome
  • Score: -13

8:59am Mon 30 Jun 14

leigen_zero says...

Woodgnome wrote:
Ohh - I misread the headline. I thought it said " It's time to take back the city centre from truffle makers.

Is there no old ballista knocking around the castle? Those trapped in Karlo's fat gates could be catapulted out of Market Street over the shopping centre into the Usk for a first offence. Temporary lodgement in the Usk could double a living barrage.
The ballista was a more of a giant crossbow, and was only really capable of firing large crossbow bolt-style ammunition, and wouldn't really be suitable for the job.

The Trebuchet was the traditional medievil method of flinging large masses of stinking flesh long distances, might be a bit more fit for purpose...
http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/Trebuchet
[quote][p][bold]Woodgnome[/bold] wrote: Ohh - I misread the headline. I thought it said " It's time to take back the city centre from truffle makers. Is there no old ballista knocking around the castle? Those trapped in Karlo's fat gates could be catapulted out of Market Street over the shopping centre into the Usk for a first offence. Temporary lodgement in the Usk could double a living barrage.[/p][/quote]The ballista was a more of a giant crossbow, and was only really capable of firing large crossbow bolt-style ammunition, and wouldn't really be suitable for the job. The Trebuchet was the traditional medievil method of flinging large masses of stinking flesh long distances, might be a bit more fit for purpose... http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Trebuchet leigen_zero
  • Score: 3

9:14am Mon 30 Jun 14

Woodgnome says...

leigen_zero wrote:
Woodgnome wrote:
Ohh - I misread the headline. I thought it said " It's time to take back the city centre from truffle makers.

Is there no old ballista knocking around the castle? Those trapped in Karlo's fat gates could be catapulted out of Market Street over the shopping centre into the Usk for a first offence. Temporary lodgement in the Usk could double a living barrage.
The ballista was a more of a giant crossbow, and was only really capable of firing large crossbow bolt-style ammunition, and wouldn't really be suitable for the job.

The Trebuchet was the traditional medievil method of flinging large masses of stinking flesh long distances, might be a bit more fit for purpose...
http://en.wikipedia.

org/wiki/Trebuchet
I bow to your greater knowledge of medieval siege weapons. A trebuchet would do nicely.
[quote][p][bold]leigen_zero[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Woodgnome[/bold] wrote: Ohh - I misread the headline. I thought it said " It's time to take back the city centre from truffle makers. Is there no old ballista knocking around the castle? Those trapped in Karlo's fat gates could be catapulted out of Market Street over the shopping centre into the Usk for a first offence. Temporary lodgement in the Usk could double a living barrage.[/p][/quote]The ballista was a more of a giant crossbow, and was only really capable of firing large crossbow bolt-style ammunition, and wouldn't really be suitable for the job. The Trebuchet was the traditional medievil method of flinging large masses of stinking flesh long distances, might be a bit more fit for purpose... http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Trebuchet[/p][/quote]I bow to your greater knowledge of medieval siege weapons. A trebuchet would do nicely. Woodgnome
  • Score: -8

9:22am Mon 30 Jun 14

NakedDancer says...

Woodgnome wrote:
Byelaws are Council and the police. We are in Wales. DOT is England
DfT still issue policy guidance to Wales on cross-over subjects. Which part of enforcement officers are directed to use common sense do you not understand ?
[quote][p][bold]Woodgnome[/bold] wrote: Byelaws are Council and the police. We are in Wales. DOT is England[/p][/quote]DfT still issue policy guidance to Wales on cross-over subjects. Which part of enforcement officers are directed to use common sense do you not understand ? NakedDancer
  • Score: 9

9:27am Mon 30 Jun 14

Woodgnome says...

NakedDancer wrote:
Woodgnome wrote:
Byelaws are Council and the police. We are in Wales. DOT is England
DfT still issue policy guidance to Wales on cross-over subjects. Which part of enforcement officers are directed to use common sense do you not understand ?
Enforcement officers nearly always have a discretion. Your point is??
Which part of cycling in pedestrian zones being disliked antisocial do you not understand?
How many times -BYELAWS are council and police?
[quote][p][bold]NakedDancer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Woodgnome[/bold] wrote: Byelaws are Council and the police. We are in Wales. DOT is England[/p][/quote]DfT still issue policy guidance to Wales on cross-over subjects. Which part of enforcement officers are directed to use common sense do you not understand ?[/p][/quote]Enforcement officers nearly always have a discretion. Your point is?? Which part of cycling in pedestrian zones being disliked antisocial do you not understand? How many times -BYELAWS are council and police? Woodgnome
  • Score: -11

9:39am Mon 30 Jun 14

Dai Rear says...

Lliswerry Man wrote:
I cannot believe again, that the Editor, Yes Kevin... has allowed some of the comments and name calling on here of certain members of society.
Newport is a multi cultural society made up of people from ALL walks of life, to refer to them as some have on here shows clearly YOUR mindset. And as such its people like YOU, that Newport does not need. Newport has always been a Market, Dock town and had a diverse society to work it...... stop trying to make out its some kind of Upmarket Fashionable Vista....... mostly again from people NOT from Newport. IM not saying, it does not need improving, it does, BUT to simply "shove" people out with New Bylaws stinks of clinical cleansing... did we not accuse other world Tyrants of the same? instead address the issues of why some people feel the need to be and act the way they do, But this is too hard for some of you, it would mean you would have to get up and actually do something, other than be a critic from your armchairs, solving all the worlds problems, as they say, Jack of all trades, Master of None.

Yes Newport has its share of lower classes, people waiting and looking for work, homeless and with substance abuse, BUT before condemning them all, ask why is that, and do not use the old scapegoat of politics, YOU are all members of this society and watched it turn into this and did what? to help or assist people.

You all stopped shopping in the centre which is why shops closed, you all were happy for plenty of Pubs and Clubs supplying alcohol, ALL day long....which has added to the decline of decent family shoppers.

Funny old world we live in, some of the KeyBoard Warriors and Armchair Critics on here need to get out more.

As for cycling, as far as I am aware, it has never been allowed on pavements, common sense approach would be a cyclist riding along on a path with NO pedestrians in sight.... clearly in Newport this is not the case, They ride through the subways with no thought for others, mount kerbs to avoid traffic lights, zip through the city centre between pedestrians. But they are not alone, its not only the cyclists that have you quickly moving from, its the Motability Scooters, who are NOT disabled, but simply use them as means to get about because unlike the rest of us, they are too lazy to walk. Again, these Scooters have become a worldwide problem for that exact reason.

Back to work for me...... unlike those with nothing better to do on here all day long.
Oh good luck with the work. We all know how much you want the "Issue Seller of the Year Award" and it's getting so hard for you with the competition from the east.
[quote][p][bold]Lliswerry Man[/bold] wrote: I cannot believe again, that the Editor, Yes Kevin... has allowed some of the comments and name calling on here of certain members of society. Newport is a multi cultural society made up of people from ALL walks of life, to refer to them as some have on here shows clearly YOUR mindset. And as such its people like YOU, that Newport does not need. Newport has always been a Market, Dock town and had a diverse society to work it...... stop trying to make out its some kind of Upmarket Fashionable Vista....... mostly again from people NOT from Newport. IM not saying, it does not need improving, it does, BUT to simply "shove" people out with New Bylaws stinks of clinical cleansing... did we not accuse other world Tyrants of the same? instead address the issues of why some people feel the need to be and act the way they do, But this is too hard for some of you, it would mean you would have to get up and actually do something, other than be a critic from your armchairs, solving all the worlds problems, as they say, Jack of all trades, Master of None. Yes Newport has its share of lower classes, people waiting and looking for work, homeless and with substance abuse, BUT before condemning them all, ask why is that, and do not use the old scapegoat of politics, YOU are all members of this society and watched it turn into this and did what? to help or assist people. You all stopped shopping in the centre which is why shops closed, you all were happy for plenty of Pubs and Clubs supplying alcohol, ALL day long....which has added to the decline of decent family shoppers. Funny old world we live in, some of the KeyBoard Warriors and Armchair Critics on here need to get out more. As for cycling, as far as I am aware, it has never been allowed on pavements, common sense approach would be a cyclist riding along on a path with NO pedestrians in sight.... clearly in Newport this is not the case, They ride through the subways with no thought for others, mount kerbs to avoid traffic lights, zip through the city centre between pedestrians. But they are not alone, its not only the cyclists that have you quickly moving from, its the Motability Scooters, who are NOT disabled, but simply use them as means to get about because unlike the rest of us, they are too lazy to walk. Again, these Scooters have become a worldwide problem for that exact reason. Back to work for me...... unlike those with nothing better to do on here all day long.[/p][/quote]Oh good luck with the work. We all know how much you want the "Issue Seller of the Year Award" and it's getting so hard for you with the competition from the east. Dai Rear
  • Score: -11

3:29pm Mon 30 Jun 14

NakedDancer says...

Woodgnome wrote:
NakedDancer wrote:
Woodgnome wrote:
Byelaws are Council and the police. We are in Wales. DOT is England
DfT still issue policy guidance to Wales on cross-over subjects. Which part of enforcement officers are directed to use common sense do you not understand ?
Enforcement officers nearly always have a discretion. Your point is??
Which part of cycling in pedestrian zones being disliked antisocial do you not understand?
How many times -BYELAWS are council and police?
Why do you try to bully posters with your personal bias when they are just explaining the facts. I'm sure you do get the point (and choose to ignore it) but one more time just to humour you... Enforcement officers do not enforce no cycling because they are directed not to because its unenforceable unless there is a deliberate anti-social element. Careful and considerate cycling is quite obviously the opposite of anti-social.

I'm not a cyclist and I don't know if Newport has an unusual problem with cyclists but the Argus posts suggest other problems in Newport are far more significant than wasting taxpayer money policing sensible cycling.
[quote][p][bold]Woodgnome[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NakedDancer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Woodgnome[/bold] wrote: Byelaws are Council and the police. We are in Wales. DOT is England[/p][/quote]DfT still issue policy guidance to Wales on cross-over subjects. Which part of enforcement officers are directed to use common sense do you not understand ?[/p][/quote]Enforcement officers nearly always have a discretion. Your point is?? Which part of cycling in pedestrian zones being disliked antisocial do you not understand? How many times -BYELAWS are council and police?[/p][/quote]Why do you try to bully posters with your personal bias when they are just explaining the facts. I'm sure you do get the point (and choose to ignore it) but one more time just to humour you... Enforcement officers do not enforce no cycling because they are directed not to because its unenforceable unless there is a deliberate anti-social element. Careful and considerate cycling is quite obviously the opposite of anti-social. I'm not a cyclist and I don't know if Newport has an unusual problem with cyclists but the Argus posts suggest other problems in Newport are far more significant than wasting taxpayer money policing sensible cycling. NakedDancer
  • Score: 10

3:30pm Mon 30 Jun 14

DavidMclean says...

Ian (Mac) MacKinlay wrote:
Twenty-first paragraph:

"Our city centre should be a place the whole community enjoys - and feels safe in doing so."

Twelfth paragraph:

" . . . about anti-social behaviour including begging, graffiti, street drinking and general rowdiness."


Can we add to the list of anti-social behaviour activities mentioned above the riding of bicycles through the pedestrianized parts of the City?

I do not feel safe simply walking in the town centre because of the cyclists.

The Police, the PCOs, and the town wardens, rarely do anything about the problem.

They will typically allow cyclists to whizz past, without butting an eyelid.

Doing something about this behaviour is also part of the job they are paid to do.

Anti-social behaviour in Newport includes the following:

begging, graffiti, street drinking and general rowdiness and the riding of bicycles in pedestrianized areas.

Riding bicycles in pedestrianized areas is illegal.

Why is the law not enforced?
An interesting and valid point. The solution of course is to take a leaf from Bristol's book. They have worked hard to make Bristol a cycling city. It reduces traffic congestion, helps people to keep fit, healthy and happy, saves money otherwise spent on petrol or public transport.

But of course the infrastructure needs to be in place. So with all the new development underway the question needs to be asked of the council; has a thought be given to cycling? Or will that be an inconvenient after-thought?

I think I can guess the answer.
[quote][p][bold]Ian (Mac) MacKinlay[/bold] wrote: Twenty-first paragraph: "Our city centre should be a place the whole community enjoys - and feels safe in doing so." Twelfth paragraph: " . . . about anti-social behaviour including begging, graffiti, street drinking and general rowdiness." Can we add to the list of anti-social behaviour activities mentioned above the riding of bicycles through the pedestrianized parts of the City? I do not feel safe simply walking in the town centre because of the cyclists. The Police, the PCOs, and the town wardens, rarely do anything about the problem. They will typically allow cyclists to whizz past, without butting an eyelid. Doing something about this behaviour is also part of the job they are paid to do. Anti-social behaviour in Newport includes the following: begging, graffiti, street drinking and general rowdiness and the riding of bicycles in pedestrianized areas. Riding bicycles in pedestrianized areas is illegal. Why is the law not enforced?[/p][/quote]An interesting and valid point. The solution of course is to take a leaf from Bristol's book. They have worked hard to make Bristol a cycling city. It reduces traffic congestion, helps people to keep fit, healthy and happy, saves money otherwise spent on petrol or public transport. But of course the infrastructure needs to be in place. So with all the new development underway the question needs to be asked of the council; has a thought be given to cycling? Or will that be an inconvenient after-thought? I think I can guess the answer. DavidMclean
  • Score: 13

4:07pm Mon 30 Jun 14

NakedDancer says...

russ angel wrote:
Cyclists when in a pedestrian area such as Commercial Street should have the common sense to dismount.If I had turned around a fraction later recently a cyclist who was going so fast that I only saw her on a quick reaction would have knocked me flying and possibly have broken my back.I shouted after her but was ignored.Just because it is a supposed "rare" occurence doesn't mean that it can't happen.Common sense fails a lot of people,luckily I dont have to venture into the pit of anti-social behavior that is Newport Idiot Centre very often,it lost it's spirit years ago.Even a night out is chancing it these days,all this money being spent will do nothing unless this so called "dispersal order" is actually put into action and kept that way.I will stick with Cardiff until I see a real change here,I can get a bus local to me straight there and back and not see any trouble all day,even if Cardiff is far from perfect at least I am not looking over my shoulder all day.What a shame that I can't say that about my hometown.
I guess you don't buy very much if you can drag your bags on the bus to Cardiff an hour each way and £4 return. Have you not seen the drunks, tramps and care in the community wandering around The Hayes in Cardiff ? and as for a safe night out in Cardiff city centre on the weekend - good luck with that.
[quote][p][bold]russ angel[/bold] wrote: Cyclists when in a pedestrian area such as Commercial Street should have the common sense to dismount.If I had turned around a fraction later recently a cyclist who was going so fast that I only saw her on a quick reaction would have knocked me flying and possibly have broken my back.I shouted after her but was ignored.Just because it is a supposed "rare" occurence doesn't mean that it can't happen.Common sense fails a lot of people,luckily I dont have to venture into the pit of anti-social behavior that is Newport Idiot Centre very often,it lost it's spirit years ago.Even a night out is chancing it these days,all this money being spent will do nothing unless this so called "dispersal order" is actually put into action and kept that way.I will stick with Cardiff until I see a real change here,I can get a bus local to me straight there and back and not see any trouble all day,even if Cardiff is far from perfect at least I am not looking over my shoulder all day.What a shame that I can't say that about my hometown.[/p][/quote]I guess you don't buy very much if you can drag your bags on the bus to Cardiff an hour each way and £4 return. Have you not seen the drunks, tramps and care in the community wandering around The Hayes in Cardiff ? and as for a safe night out in Cardiff city centre on the weekend - good luck with that. NakedDancer
  • Score: 11

7:00pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Woodgnome says...

NakedDancer wrote:
Woodgnome wrote:
NakedDancer wrote:
Woodgnome wrote:
Byelaws are Council and the police. We are in Wales. DOT is England
DfT still issue policy guidance to Wales on cross-over subjects. Which part of enforcement officers are directed to use common sense do you not understand ?
Enforcement officers nearly always have a discretion. Your point is??
Which part of cycling in pedestrian zones being disliked antisocial do you not understand?
How many times -BYELAWS are council and police?
Why do you try to bully posters with your personal bias when they are just explaining the facts. I'm sure you do get the point (and choose to ignore it) but one more time just to humour you... Enforcement officers do not enforce no cycling because they are directed not to because its unenforceable unless there is a deliberate anti-social element. Careful and considerate cycling is quite obviously the opposite of anti-social.

I'm not a cyclist and I don't know if Newport has an unusual problem with cyclists but the Argus posts suggest other problems in Newport are far more significant than wasting taxpayer money policing sensible cycling.
Self righteous or what?!!

You clearly have no clue what your talking about as is apparent from most of your posts in the SWA.
[quote][p][bold]NakedDancer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Woodgnome[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NakedDancer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Woodgnome[/bold] wrote: Byelaws are Council and the police. We are in Wales. DOT is England[/p][/quote]DfT still issue policy guidance to Wales on cross-over subjects. Which part of enforcement officers are directed to use common sense do you not understand ?[/p][/quote]Enforcement officers nearly always have a discretion. Your point is?? Which part of cycling in pedestrian zones being disliked antisocial do you not understand? How many times -BYELAWS are council and police?[/p][/quote]Why do you try to bully posters with your personal bias when they are just explaining the facts. I'm sure you do get the point (and choose to ignore it) but one more time just to humour you... Enforcement officers do not enforce no cycling because they are directed not to because its unenforceable unless there is a deliberate anti-social element. Careful and considerate cycling is quite obviously the opposite of anti-social. I'm not a cyclist and I don't know if Newport has an unusual problem with cyclists but the Argus posts suggest other problems in Newport are far more significant than wasting taxpayer money policing sensible cycling.[/p][/quote]Self righteous or what?!! You clearly have no clue what your talking about as is apparent from most of your posts in the SWA. Woodgnome
  • Score: -17

7:14pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Thomas O'Malley says...

Woodgnome wrote:
NakedDancer wrote:
Woodgnome wrote:
NakedDancer wrote:
Woodgnome wrote:
Byelaws are Council and the police. We are in Wales. DOT is England
DfT still issue policy guidance to Wales on cross-over subjects. Which part of enforcement officers are directed to use common sense do you not understand ?
Enforcement officers nearly always have a discretion. Your point is??
Which part of cycling in pedestrian zones being disliked antisocial do you not understand?
How many times -BYELAWS are council and police?
Why do you try to bully posters with your personal bias when they are just explaining the facts. I'm sure you do get the point (and choose to ignore it) but one more time just to humour you... Enforcement officers do not enforce no cycling because they are directed not to because its unenforceable unless there is a deliberate anti-social element. Careful and considerate cycling is quite obviously the opposite of anti-social.

I'm not a cyclist and I don't know if Newport has an unusual problem with cyclists but the Argus posts suggest other problems in Newport are far more significant than wasting taxpayer money policing sensible cycling.
Self righteous or what?!!

You clearly have no clue what your talking about as is apparent from most of your posts in the SWA.
Ha - says the bully who makes stupid posts about overweight people. If you have nothing better to do than bully and insult strangers then go to bikehut.co.uk and read the facts. You are a joke.
[quote][p][bold]Woodgnome[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NakedDancer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Woodgnome[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NakedDancer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Woodgnome[/bold] wrote: Byelaws are Council and the police. We are in Wales. DOT is England[/p][/quote]DfT still issue policy guidance to Wales on cross-over subjects. Which part of enforcement officers are directed to use common sense do you not understand ?[/p][/quote]Enforcement officers nearly always have a discretion. Your point is?? Which part of cycling in pedestrian zones being disliked antisocial do you not understand? How many times -BYELAWS are council and police?[/p][/quote]Why do you try to bully posters with your personal bias when they are just explaining the facts. I'm sure you do get the point (and choose to ignore it) but one more time just to humour you... Enforcement officers do not enforce no cycling because they are directed not to because its unenforceable unless there is a deliberate anti-social element. Careful and considerate cycling is quite obviously the opposite of anti-social. I'm not a cyclist and I don't know if Newport has an unusual problem with cyclists but the Argus posts suggest other problems in Newport are far more significant than wasting taxpayer money policing sensible cycling.[/p][/quote]Self righteous or what?!! You clearly have no clue what your talking about as is apparent from most of your posts in the SWA.[/p][/quote]Ha - says the bully who makes stupid posts about overweight people. If you have nothing better to do than bully and insult strangers then go to bikehut.co.uk and read the facts. You are a joke. Thomas O'Malley
  • Score: 9

8:55pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Musing Militant says...

I always give cyclists an option. On some days it is either come anywhere near me and get something in the wheels (cyclists I find on the whole do not like flying) or keep away. Sometimes on the road I just use my indicators and turn. That stops them quick enough!
I always give cyclists an option. On some days it is either come anywhere near me and get something in the wheels (cyclists I find on the whole do not like flying) or keep away. Sometimes on the road I just use my indicators and turn. That stops them quick enough! Musing Militant
  • Score: -9

10:40pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Thomas O'Malley says...

Musing Militant wrote:
I always give cyclists an option. On some days it is either come anywhere near me and get something in the wheels (cyclists I find on the whole do not like flying) or keep away. Sometimes on the road I just use my indicators and turn. That stops them quick enough!
Ok I'll bite troll. You should do that. Then you will be in prison instead of posting ridiculous aggressive fiction in the argus.
[quote][p][bold]Musing Militant[/bold] wrote: I always give cyclists an option. On some days it is either come anywhere near me and get something in the wheels (cyclists I find on the whole do not like flying) or keep away. Sometimes on the road I just use my indicators and turn. That stops them quick enough![/p][/quote]Ok I'll bite troll. You should do that. Then you will be in prison instead of posting ridiculous aggressive fiction in the argus. Thomas O'Malley
  • Score: 8

10:40pm Mon 30 Jun 14

displayed says...

"IT'S also good to see a talisman of the city centre back in place."
tal·is·man
ˈtalismən,-iz-/
noun
noun: talisman; plural noun: talismans

an object, typically an inscribed ring or stone, that is thought to have magic powers and to bring good luck.
synonyms: lucky charm, charm, fetish, amulet, mascot, totem, juju
So we got a magic pig in the city now, ave we!
Really, an you can tell a yobbo from miles away, he walks so fast his feet can ardly keep up with im.
As for those miscreants who ride their undersize bikes (cos there well ard) thro the pedestrian areas without a thought for themselves, never mind the people they mite hit down like skittles, words fail me..................
"IT'S also good to see a talisman of the city centre back in place." tal·is·man ˈtalismən,-iz-/ noun noun: talisman; plural noun: talismans an object, typically an inscribed ring or stone, that is thought to have magic powers and to bring good luck. synonyms: lucky charm, charm, fetish, amulet, mascot, totem, juju So we got a magic pig in the city now, ave we! Really, an you can tell a yobbo from miles away, he walks so fast his feet can ardly keep up with im. As for those miscreants who ride their undersize bikes (cos there well ard) thro the pedestrian areas without a thought for themselves, never mind the people they mite hit down like skittles, words fail me.................. displayed
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