Newport dispersal order 'already bringing results' - traders

CSO Jack Purcell and CSO Perrie Di Ronato patrol Newport city centre (7632013)

ORDER MADE: CSO Perrie Di Ronato and CSO Jack Purcell gathered the evidence to obtain the order.

First published in News

JUST three days after a new dispersal order was implemented in the city centre, 15 warnings and two dispersals have been given and traders are already seeing the difference.

The order, introduced on Tuesday, aims to reduce levels of anti-social behaviour in the city centre and will be in place until midnight on January 1, 2015.

Newsagent Jon Powell, whose newsagent kiosk is in the front of the market, said he has already seen the order in action.

He said a gang had congregated outside his shop on Wednesday afternoon when two officers turned up and ordered them to move from the area in separate directions. He said they didn’t come back.

He added: “It’s exactly what I was hoping for.”

The new High Street entrance to the market opened eight months ago and was part of a £1 million refurbishment project at the market. But two weeks ago, crude graffiti was scribbled on the benches outside Mr Powell’s shop.

He said: “It’s all brand new and it looks really nice and it needs to stay that way.”

Community support officers, Perrie Di Ronato and Jack Purcell, who have been patrolling the city centre for three years, gathered the evidence to obtain the order.

CSO Perrie Di Ronato said: “It is very early days but so far, we’re pleased with how the dispersal order is working. We have given fifteen warnings and two official dispersals to people acting anti-socially in the town centre area.

“There have been no breaches and therefore no arrests which is brilliant – our aim is to stop the issues before they escalate.”

Dispersal orders give police and community support officers the power to direct any groups of two or more people to leave a specified area if their behaviour is likely to cause members of the public to feel alarmed, harassed or distressed.

Anyone who refuses to leave, or returns to the area within 24 hours when ordered not to do so, can be arrested under the Anti-Social Behaviour Act 2003.

CSO Di Ronato added: “We have had a great response from local businesses and members of the public so far and would like to thank everyone for their support.”

Newport Inspector Mark Pope, said: “The order will be of great benefit in making Newport city centre a safer place to visit, we are working hard to improve the reputation of Newport city centre at this exciting time where regeneration and redevelopment is moving at a pace.”

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6:28am Fri 4 Jul 14

Woodgnome says...

Excellent work. ....and guess what?
- Pedestrianised zones are for ............Pedestri
ans!!
Excellent work. ....and guess what? - Pedestrianised zones are for ............Pedestri ans!! Woodgnome
  • Score: -6

6:31am Fri 4 Jul 14

Woodgnome says...

Good news story............and guess what?.......pedestia
nised zones are for pedestrians!!!!!
Good news story............and guess what?.......pedestia nised zones are for pedestrians!!!!! Woodgnome
  • Score: -11

7:06am Fri 4 Jul 14

Llanmartinangel says...

It speaks volumes about us as a society that only now are we doing anything about it. Had we had zero tolerance in the first place and not abandoned the centre to cretins and delinquents, some departed retailers might still be there. Instead the City's name has become synonymous with scuzzy miscreants.
It speaks volumes about us as a society that only now are we doing anything about it. Had we had zero tolerance in the first place and not abandoned the centre to cretins and delinquents, some departed retailers might still be there. Instead the City's name has become synonymous with scuzzy miscreants. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 48

7:55am Fri 4 Jul 14

scraptheWAG says...

stop there benefits and lock up their staffis
stop there benefits and lock up their staffis scraptheWAG
  • Score: 20

8:23am Fri 4 Jul 14

landyman3030 says...

Great news that this scheme is working. Let's hope that the miscreants are not just being pushed further into suburbia. People need to be pro active and not be afraid of ringing 101 or the Council Wardens on 01633 656656 and report anti-social behaviour. Keep on reporting it too. Otherwise it gets a hold on the area and it's much tougher to get the gangs out. Well done. Onwards and upwards Newport.
Great news that this scheme is working. Let's hope that the miscreants are not just being pushed further into suburbia. People need to be pro active and not be afraid of ringing 101 or the Council Wardens on 01633 656656 and report anti-social behaviour. Keep on reporting it too. Otherwise it gets a hold on the area and it's much tougher to get the gangs out. Well done. Onwards and upwards Newport. landyman3030
  • Score: 51

8:45am Fri 4 Jul 14

KarloMarko says...

"And he called to him his twelve
disciples and gave them authority
over unclean spirits, to cast them
out, and to heal every disease and
every affliction." - Matthew.
"And he called to him his twelve disciples and gave them authority over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal every disease and every affliction." - Matthew. KarloMarko
  • Score: -30

9:00am Fri 4 Jul 14

Evil Flanker says...

scraptheWAG wrote:
stop there benefits and lock up their staffis
Yeah punish an innocent dog, then again why not blame the dog for how the owner treats it and what they teach them.

This sort of comment is why Staffi's get bad names, IT'S NOT THE DOG! - Any dog will bite if not treated correctly!
[quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: stop there benefits and lock up their staffis[/p][/quote]Yeah punish an innocent dog, then again why not blame the dog for how the owner treats it and what they teach them. This sort of comment is why Staffi's get bad names, IT'S NOT THE DOG! - Any dog will bite if not treated correctly! Evil Flanker
  • Score: 26

9:07am Fri 4 Jul 14

ex-St. Julians boy says...

I wonder how long it will take before a few shoppers that have stopped to have a chat in the street get told to disperse and move on in different directions ... it will come.
I wonder how long it will take before a few shoppers that have stopped to have a chat in the street get told to disperse and move on in different directions ... it will come. ex-St. Julians boy
  • Score: -58

9:13am Fri 4 Jul 14

Dai Rear says...

ex-St. Julians boy wrote:
I wonder how long it will take before a few shoppers that have stopped to have a chat in the street get told to disperse and move on in different directions ... it will come.
Well it hasn't in other towns and cities which have the scheme.
[quote][p][bold]ex-St. Julians boy[/bold] wrote: I wonder how long it will take before a few shoppers that have stopped to have a chat in the street get told to disperse and move on in different directions ... it will come.[/p][/quote]Well it hasn't in other towns and cities which have the scheme. Dai Rear
  • Score: 44

9:38am Fri 4 Jul 14

butlerselectrical@gmail.com says...

Newport has far worse problems that a few kids standing about, not doing much.
I couldn't say what my reaction would be if some jumped up hobby bobby tried to move me on.
I imagine it will cause more harm than good.
Newport has far worse problems that a few kids standing about, not doing much. I couldn't say what my reaction would be if some jumped up hobby bobby tried to move me on. I imagine it will cause more harm than good. butlerselectrical@gmail.com
  • Score: -50

9:51am Fri 4 Jul 14

displayed says...

scraptheWAG wrote:
stop there benefits and lock up their staffis
Take their skateboards away, that'l do it!
[quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: stop there benefits and lock up their staffis[/p][/quote]Take their skateboards away, that'l do it! displayed
  • Score: -13

10:12am Fri 4 Jul 14

louise111 says...

I've walked by the market area a lot. Yes, there are a lot of young people there, ranging from students to mothers with prams. I've never seen anything during the day that would warrant them to be moved on. Is laughing and talking now a crime? I feel we are being controlled too much.

Before anyone knocks what I've said, write back with clear and factual examples of unreasonable behavior not just the graffiti example. I don't mind being proven wrong!
I've walked by the market area a lot. Yes, there are a lot of young people there, ranging from students to mothers with prams. I've never seen anything during the day that would warrant them to be moved on. Is laughing and talking now a crime? I feel we are being controlled too much. Before anyone knocks what I've said, write back with clear and factual examples of unreasonable behavior not just the graffiti example. I don't mind being proven wrong! louise111
  • Score: -22

10:17am Fri 4 Jul 14

KarloMarko says...

Fat people.
Fat people. KarloMarko
  • Score: -22

11:25am Fri 4 Jul 14

Woodgnome says...

Llanmartin Angel is spot on.

As to some other comments on here at one time society largely policed itself and bobbies could disperse problems even without an order. Now if a bystander tells people to behave themselves he/she will get a load of abuse minimum and as has been reported in the press - even beaten up or knifed. Sometimes our tolerant society is too tolerant.
Llanmartin Angel is spot on. As to some other comments on here at one time society largely policed itself and bobbies could disperse problems even without an order. Now if a bystander tells people to behave themselves he/she will get a load of abuse minimum and as has been reported in the press - even beaten up or knifed. Sometimes our tolerant society is too tolerant. Woodgnome
  • Score: 20

11:32am Fri 4 Jul 14

KarloMarko says...

Tasser first/ask later.
Tasser first/ask later. KarloMarko
  • Score: -19

11:35am Fri 4 Jul 14

Port0214 says...

KarloMarko wrote:
Fat people.
And the undeserving poor and those who frequent Asda and Iceland.
[quote][p][bold]KarloMarko[/bold] wrote: Fat people.[/p][/quote]And the undeserving poor and those who frequent Asda and Iceland. Port0214
  • Score: -13

11:38am Fri 4 Jul 14

Paxman's Army says...

louise111 wrote:
I've walked by the market area a lot. Yes, there are a lot of young people there, ranging from students to mothers with prams. I've never seen anything during the day that would warrant them to be moved on. Is laughing and talking now a crime? I feel we are being controlled too much.

Before anyone knocks what I've said, write back with clear and factual examples of unreasonable behavior not just the graffiti example. I don't mind being proven wrong!
Louise,

I understand and I too fear too much intrusion on anyone's freedom. But there are limits - limits that are very difficult to put down on paper. I think no one wants students and mothers who just chat and are having a good time from getting together. But we've all seen masses of spitting, foulmouthed men and boys who strut around Newport thinking they own the street. They aren't being arrested. They are being told to move on. And the message is clear. They don't own City Centre. It's worked well in other cities and towns and I think Gwent Police should be praised for this initiative. Let's just hope it doesn't last for just a month or two. I would say though that other spots around Newport will need the same attention.
[quote][p][bold]louise111[/bold] wrote: I've walked by the market area a lot. Yes, there are a lot of young people there, ranging from students to mothers with prams. I've never seen anything during the day that would warrant them to be moved on. Is laughing and talking now a crime? I feel we are being controlled too much. Before anyone knocks what I've said, write back with clear and factual examples of unreasonable behavior not just the graffiti example. I don't mind being proven wrong![/p][/quote]Louise, I understand and I too fear too much intrusion on anyone's freedom. But there are limits - limits that are very difficult to put down on paper. I think no one wants students and mothers who just chat and are having a good time from getting together. But we've all seen masses of spitting, foulmouthed men and boys who strut around Newport thinking they own the street. They aren't being arrested. They are being told to move on. And the message is clear. They don't own City Centre. It's worked well in other cities and towns and I think Gwent Police should be praised for this initiative. Let's just hope it doesn't last for just a month or two. I would say though that other spots around Newport will need the same attention. Paxman's Army
  • Score: 50

11:42am Fri 4 Jul 14

Paxman's Army says...

And I also would worry about demonstrators. I hope this action isn't just to remove peaceful demonstrators from gathering during the NATO event. In fact, I hope they will be allowed to protest as is their right.
And I also would worry about demonstrators. I hope this action isn't just to remove peaceful demonstrators from gathering during the NATO event. In fact, I hope they will be allowed to protest as is their right. Paxman's Army
  • Score: 0

11:46am Fri 4 Jul 14

KarloMarko says...

10,000 Cops....what could go wrong?
10,000 Cops....what could go wrong? KarloMarko
  • Score: -16

11:53am Fri 4 Jul 14

Woodgnome says...

I don't think demonstrators will be in Newport City centre - they will be trying to get near the Celtic Manor to get some press coverage. The dispersal order doesn't cover the whole of Gwent - just a few streets in the centre.
I don't think demonstrators will be in Newport City centre - they will be trying to get near the Celtic Manor to get some press coverage. The dispersal order doesn't cover the whole of Gwent - just a few streets in the centre. Woodgnome
  • Score: 6

12:01pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Ian (Mac) MacKinlay says...

'
Elsewhere in this newspaper is the following news story:


"A MAN who refused to get off his bike in a pedestrian only zone of Newport city centre was yesterday fined £50 by Gwent Police. "



I am very pleased to hear this news, and I hope this is the start of seriously treating this sort of anti-social behaviour with the concern it deserves.

The pedestrianized zones of the city, and pavements in general, are for pedestrians, not cyclists.

I note that it is the Police on this occasion that have been active. Good on them.

I am sure however, that it is also in the remit of the town wardens to actually do something about this problem. I would like to see some evidence that they too are beginning to deal with a problem that bothers very many of the citizens of Newport.

Comparisons between Newport town centre and Cwmbran are often made. It should be noted that the anti-social practice of riding bicycles through the pedestrianized areas is not tolerated in Cwmbran.

I should be able to feel as safe as a pedestrian in Newport as I am able to do so in Cwmbran.
' Elsewhere in this newspaper is the following news story: "A MAN who refused to get off his bike in a pedestrian only zone of Newport city centre was yesterday fined £50 by Gwent Police. " I am very pleased to hear this news, and I hope this is the start of seriously treating this sort of anti-social behaviour with the concern it deserves. The pedestrianized zones of the city, and pavements in general, are for pedestrians, not cyclists. I note that it is the Police on this occasion that have been active. Good on them. I am sure however, that it is also in the remit of the town wardens to actually do something about this problem. I would like to see some evidence that they too are beginning to deal with a problem that bothers very many of the citizens of Newport. Comparisons between Newport town centre and Cwmbran are often made. It should be noted that the anti-social practice of riding bicycles through the pedestrianized areas is not tolerated in Cwmbran. I should be able to feel as safe as a pedestrian in Newport as I am able to do so in Cwmbran. Ian (Mac) MacKinlay
  • Score: 15

12:04pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Ian (Mac) MacKinlay says...

Eleventh paragraph of article above:


"Dispersal orders give police and community support officers the power to direct any groups of two or more people to leave a specified area if their behaviour is likely to cause members of the public to feel alarmed, harassed or distressed. "

Cycling in pedestrianized areas, and on pavements, is anti-social behaviour, pure and simple. It should be treated as such by the authorities, as an extension of the logic cited above; because it is "behaviour that is likely to cause members of the public to feel alarmed, harassed or distressed".

Anyone who refuses to leave, or returns to the area within 24 hours when ordered not to do so, can be arrested under the Anti-Social Behaviour Act 2003.

CSO Di Ronato added: “We have had a great response from local businesses and members of the public so far and would like to thank everyone for their support.”

Newport Inspector Mark Pope, said: “The order will be of great benefit in making Newport city centre a safer place to visit, we are working hard to improve the reputation of Newport city centre at this exciting time where regeneration and redevelopment is moving at a pace.”


.
Eleventh paragraph of article above: "Dispersal orders give police and community support officers the power to direct any groups of two or more people to leave a specified area if their behaviour is likely to cause members of the public to feel alarmed, harassed or distressed. " Cycling in pedestrianized areas, and on pavements, is anti-social behaviour, pure and simple. It should be treated as such by the authorities, as an extension of the logic cited above; because it is "behaviour that is likely to cause members of the public to feel alarmed, harassed or distressed". Anyone who refuses to leave, or returns to the area within 24 hours when ordered not to do so, can be arrested under the Anti-Social Behaviour Act 2003. CSO Di Ronato added: “We have had a great response from local businesses and members of the public so far and would like to thank everyone for their support.” Newport Inspector Mark Pope, said: “The order will be of great benefit in making Newport city centre a safer place to visit, we are working hard to improve the reputation of Newport city centre at this exciting time where regeneration and redevelopment is moving at a pace.” . Ian (Mac) MacKinlay
  • Score: -1

12:08pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Ian (Mac) MacKinlay says...

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CSO Di Ronato added: “We have had a great response from local businesses and members of the public so far and would like to thank everyone for their support.”

CSO Di Ronato.

You will also have a great response from local businesses and members of the public if you deal with this cycling problem.


.
. CSO Di Ronato added: “We have had a great response from local businesses and members of the public so far and would like to thank everyone for their support.” CSO Di Ronato. You will also have a great response from local businesses and members of the public if you deal with this cycling problem. . Ian (Mac) MacKinlay
  • Score: -4

12:21pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Ian (Mac) MacKinlay says...

'


Newport Inspector Mark Pope said:

“The order will be of great benefit in making Newport city centre a safer place to visit, we are working hard to improve the reputation of Newport city centre at this exciting time where regeneration and redevelopment is moving at a pace.”

You said it, Inspector Pope.

" “The order will be of great benefit in making Newport city centre a safer place to visit".

It will do so if it includes dealing with cyclists in pedestrianized zones.



Inspector.

You go on to say "We are working hard to improve the reputation of Newport city centre at this exciting time where regeneration and redevelopment is moving at a pace.”


The reputation of Newport city centre will be greatly enhanced if it becomes known as shopping area where cycling is not tolerated.

Get this sorted out now, so that when Friars Walk and the rest is up an running. people will flock to Newport to shop, and not instead hop onto the next Stagecoach X24 ten minutes up the road to Cwmbran, to avoid cyclists.

Cycling in pedestrianized zones is anti-social behaviour.


.
' Newport Inspector Mark Pope said: “The order will be of great benefit in making Newport city centre a safer place to visit, we are working hard to improve the reputation of Newport city centre at this exciting time where regeneration and redevelopment is moving at a pace.” You said it, Inspector Pope. " “The order will be of great benefit in making Newport city centre a safer place to visit". It will do so if it includes dealing with cyclists in pedestrianized zones. Inspector. You go on to say "We are working hard to improve the reputation of Newport city centre at this exciting time where regeneration and redevelopment is moving at a pace.” The reputation of Newport city centre will be greatly enhanced if it becomes known as shopping area where cycling is not tolerated. Get this sorted out now, so that when Friars Walk and the rest is up an running. people will flock to Newport to shop, and not instead hop onto the next Stagecoach X24 ten minutes up the road to Cwmbran, to avoid cyclists. Cycling in pedestrianized zones is anti-social behaviour. . Ian (Mac) MacKinlay
  • Score: -1

12:31pm Fri 4 Jul 14

landyman3030 says...

butlerselectrical@gm
ail.com
wrote:
Newport has far worse problems that a few kids standing about, not doing much.
I couldn't say what my reaction would be if some jumped up hobby bobby tried to move me on.
I imagine it will cause more harm than good.
If only it was as simple as a few kids standing about. This is not about kids standing around socialising in an acceptable manner. That means not spitting, not screaming profanity at each other in front of other members of the public, not intimidating people by riding bikes and skateboards at speed through the public. Without looking through the rose tinted specs, not so long ago people seemed to be aware of a social responsibility to behave when in public. You have always had a section who would do it anyway and then you had the police on foot to deal with it. Now it seems that many people today seem to have missed the lesson in school that said respect your fellow man. So many of todays yoof think they are gangster material. Big men in gangs who will come into your face as long as their cohorts are there to back it up. it's usually all noise but the facts are that knife carrying and crime is on a dramatic increase. Life is cheap these days. Thats why you need the authorities more than ever. As for hobby bobbies let me tell you a FACT chum. Without the plastic police, you'll wait a week for a proper copper. Which would you rather next time somebody is selling or using drugs in front of your kids or Mam in the bus station.
[quote][p][bold]butlerselectrical@gm ail.com[/bold] wrote: Newport has far worse problems that a few kids standing about, not doing much. I couldn't say what my reaction would be if some jumped up hobby bobby tried to move me on. I imagine it will cause more harm than good.[/p][/quote]If only it was as simple as a few kids standing about. This is not about kids standing around socialising in an acceptable manner. That means not spitting, not screaming profanity at each other in front of other members of the public, not intimidating people by riding bikes and skateboards at speed through the public. Without looking through the rose tinted specs, not so long ago people seemed to be aware of a social responsibility to behave when in public. You have always had a section who would do it anyway and then you had the police on foot to deal with it. Now it seems that many people today seem to have missed the lesson in school that said respect your fellow man. So many of todays yoof think they are gangster material. Big men in gangs who will come into your face as long as their cohorts are there to back it up. it's usually all noise but the facts are that knife carrying and crime is on a dramatic increase. Life is cheap these days. Thats why you need the authorities more than ever. As for hobby bobbies let me tell you a FACT chum. Without the plastic police, you'll wait a week for a proper copper. Which would you rather next time somebody is selling or using drugs in front of your kids or Mam in the bus station. landyman3030
  • Score: 22

12:44pm Fri 4 Jul 14

landyman3030 says...

louise111 wrote:
I've walked by the market area a lot. Yes, there are a lot of young people there, ranging from students to mothers with prams. I've never seen anything during the day that would warrant them to be moved on. Is laughing and talking now a crime? I feel we are being controlled too much.

Before anyone knocks what I've said, write back with clear and factual examples of unreasonable behavior not just the graffiti example. I don't mind being proven wrong!
Openly smoking drugs outside Charle Street Job Centre.
Dealing drugs down the side of Nationwide Building Society.
Men riding bikes the wrong way down off Old Green Roundabout onto Upper Dock Street in front of a bus and abusing the driver.
Approximately 8 scruffy individuals smoking drugs and drunk waiting for their friend to come out of Cash Converter lower end of town.
3 foreign scruffy guys having an arguement outside Greggs below Charles Street loud enough that the people in Coop Travel opposite had to raise their voices to hear what each other was saying.
3 guys stretched out riverside of Castle Bingo comatose with drink and about 4 dogs loose and out of control. Cider bottles all over the area.
All this over the period of an hour in town last Friday afternoon between about 3 and 4pm.
It's why i take my family to Cwmbran for any shopping.
Perhaps it's me. I'll fit the blinkers next time and see how i go.
[quote][p][bold]louise111[/bold] wrote: I've walked by the market area a lot. Yes, there are a lot of young people there, ranging from students to mothers with prams. I've never seen anything during the day that would warrant them to be moved on. Is laughing and talking now a crime? I feel we are being controlled too much. Before anyone knocks what I've said, write back with clear and factual examples of unreasonable behavior not just the graffiti example. I don't mind being proven wrong![/p][/quote]Openly smoking drugs outside Charle Street Job Centre. Dealing drugs down the side of Nationwide Building Society. Men riding bikes the wrong way down off Old Green Roundabout onto Upper Dock Street in front of a bus and abusing the driver. Approximately 8 scruffy individuals smoking drugs and drunk waiting for their friend to come out of Cash Converter lower end of town. 3 foreign scruffy guys having an arguement outside Greggs below Charles Street loud enough that the people in Coop Travel opposite had to raise their voices to hear what each other was saying. 3 guys stretched out riverside of Castle Bingo comatose with drink and about 4 dogs loose and out of control. Cider bottles all over the area. All this over the period of an hour in town last Friday afternoon between about 3 and 4pm. It's why i take my family to Cwmbran for any shopping. Perhaps it's me. I'll fit the blinkers next time and see how i go. landyman3030
  • Score: 28

12:46pm Fri 4 Jul 14

throwy1 says...

butlerselectrical@gm
ail.com
wrote:
Newport has far worse problems that a few kids standing about, not doing much.
I couldn't say what my reaction would be if some jumped up hobby bobby tried to move me on.
I imagine it will cause more harm than good.
I take it you are referring to Community Police Officers
[quote][p][bold]butlerselectrical@gm ail.com[/bold] wrote: Newport has far worse problems that a few kids standing about, not doing much. I couldn't say what my reaction would be if some jumped up hobby bobby tried to move me on. I imagine it will cause more harm than good.[/p][/quote]I take it you are referring to Community Police Officers throwy1
  • Score: 5

12:47pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Mackem Mick says...

Perhaps the dispersal order could be applied to those pesky chuggers
Perhaps the dispersal order could be applied to those pesky chuggers Mackem Mick
  • Score: 25

12:48pm Fri 4 Jul 14

throwy1 says...

Paxman's Army wrote:
And I also would worry about demonstrators. I hope this action isn't just to remove peaceful demonstrators from gathering during the NATO event. In fact, I hope they will be allowed to protest as is their right.
Remove peaceful demonstrators. How many demonstrators do you think will decend on Newport during the Summit? Social media is suggesting between 20000 - 30000
[quote][p][bold]Paxman's Army[/bold] wrote: And I also would worry about demonstrators. I hope this action isn't just to remove peaceful demonstrators from gathering during the NATO event. In fact, I hope they will be allowed to protest as is their right.[/p][/quote]Remove peaceful demonstrators. How many demonstrators do you think will decend on Newport during the Summit? Social media is suggesting between 20000 - 30000 throwy1
  • Score: 3

1:42pm Fri 4 Jul 14

ianto100 says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
It speaks volumes about us as a society that only now are we doing anything about it. Had we had zero tolerance in the first place and not abandoned the centre to cretins and delinquents, some departed retailers might still be there. Instead the City's name has become synonymous with scuzzy miscreants.
We did have a zero tolerence zone about three years ago but it was badly thought out therefore legally it was unenforceable I just hope this is done better
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: It speaks volumes about us as a society that only now are we doing anything about it. Had we had zero tolerance in the first place and not abandoned the centre to cretins and delinquents, some departed retailers might still be there. Instead the City's name has become synonymous with scuzzy miscreants.[/p][/quote]We did have a zero tolerence zone about three years ago but it was badly thought out therefore legally it was unenforceable I just hope this is done better ianto100
  • Score: 12

2:09pm Fri 4 Jul 14

landyman3030 says...

ianto100 wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
It speaks volumes about us as a society that only now are we doing anything about it. Had we had zero tolerance in the first place and not abandoned the centre to cretins and delinquents, some departed retailers might still be there. Instead the City's name has become synonymous with scuzzy miscreants.
We did have a zero tolerence zone about three years ago but it was badly thought out therefore legally it was unenforceable I just hope this is done better
They have tried alcohol free zones and the like for the last ten years but there are never enough wardens and pcso to reinforce it. Flood the centre with uniform for about a month and much of the problem will move out. Then it can be kept on top of by ordinary shifts. people must realise that to get something done you've got to make a case for it with the council and the police. They have to justify the extra resources to their bosses and inspectors. Many ASB cases could be dealt with if people complained from the start. 101 and 01633 656656. There are people specially employed to deal with these situations. A sad reflection on society but it's a fact regardless.
[quote][p][bold]ianto100[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: It speaks volumes about us as a society that only now are we doing anything about it. Had we had zero tolerance in the first place and not abandoned the centre to cretins and delinquents, some departed retailers might still be there. Instead the City's name has become synonymous with scuzzy miscreants.[/p][/quote]We did have a zero tolerence zone about three years ago but it was badly thought out therefore legally it was unenforceable I just hope this is done better[/p][/quote]They have tried alcohol free zones and the like for the last ten years but there are never enough wardens and pcso to reinforce it. Flood the centre with uniform for about a month and much of the problem will move out. Then it can be kept on top of by ordinary shifts. people must realise that to get something done you've got to make a case for it with the council and the police. They have to justify the extra resources to their bosses and inspectors. Many ASB cases could be dealt with if people complained from the start. 101 and 01633 656656. There are people specially employed to deal with these situations. A sad reflection on society but it's a fact regardless. landyman3030
  • Score: 14

2:49pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Llanmartinangel says...

landyman3030 wrote:
louise111 wrote:
I've walked by the market area a lot. Yes, there are a lot of young people there, ranging from students to mothers with prams. I've never seen anything during the day that would warrant them to be moved on. Is laughing and talking now a crime? I feel we are being controlled too much.

Before anyone knocks what I've said, write back with clear and factual examples of unreasonable behavior not just the graffiti example. I don't mind being proven wrong!
Openly smoking drugs outside Charle Street Job Centre.
Dealing drugs down the side of Nationwide Building Society.
Men riding bikes the wrong way down off Old Green Roundabout onto Upper Dock Street in front of a bus and abusing the driver.
Approximately 8 scruffy individuals smoking drugs and drunk waiting for their friend to come out of Cash Converter lower end of town.
3 foreign scruffy guys having an arguement outside Greggs below Charles Street loud enough that the people in Coop Travel opposite had to raise their voices to hear what each other was saying.
3 guys stretched out riverside of Castle Bingo comatose with drink and about 4 dogs loose and out of control. Cider bottles all over the area.
All this over the period of an hour in town last Friday afternoon between about 3 and 4pm.
It's why i take my family to Cwmbran for any shopping.
Perhaps it's me. I'll fit the blinkers next time and see how i go.
Well Louise, you did ask. How about a drunk urinating in public a week last Friday?
[quote][p][bold]landyman3030[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]louise111[/bold] wrote: I've walked by the market area a lot. Yes, there are a lot of young people there, ranging from students to mothers with prams. I've never seen anything during the day that would warrant them to be moved on. Is laughing and talking now a crime? I feel we are being controlled too much. Before anyone knocks what I've said, write back with clear and factual examples of unreasonable behavior not just the graffiti example. I don't mind being proven wrong![/p][/quote]Openly smoking drugs outside Charle Street Job Centre. Dealing drugs down the side of Nationwide Building Society. Men riding bikes the wrong way down off Old Green Roundabout onto Upper Dock Street in front of a bus and abusing the driver. Approximately 8 scruffy individuals smoking drugs and drunk waiting for their friend to come out of Cash Converter lower end of town. 3 foreign scruffy guys having an arguement outside Greggs below Charles Street loud enough that the people in Coop Travel opposite had to raise their voices to hear what each other was saying. 3 guys stretched out riverside of Castle Bingo comatose with drink and about 4 dogs loose and out of control. Cider bottles all over the area. All this over the period of an hour in town last Friday afternoon between about 3 and 4pm. It's why i take my family to Cwmbran for any shopping. Perhaps it's me. I'll fit the blinkers next time and see how i go.[/p][/quote]Well Louise, you did ask. How about a drunk urinating in public a week last Friday? Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 10

5:18pm Fri 4 Jul 14

inkyskin says...

if only they can disperse the chuggers who pounce on you with their fake cheeriness every 10 steps up the high street! not to mention " had any accidents ", " do you have broadband? " ARGH! leave me along for gods sake!
if only they can disperse the chuggers who pounce on you with their fake cheeriness every 10 steps up the high street! not to mention " had any accidents ", " do you have broadband? " ARGH! leave me along for gods sake! inkyskin
  • Score: 19

7:54pm Fri 4 Jul 14

displayed says...

"I couldn't say what my reaction would be if some jumped up hobby bobby tried to move me on.
I imagine it will cause more harm than good."

Here's a man who knows his stuff and knows where hes going:

A spell in a Welsh cooler..............
"I couldn't say what my reaction would be if some jumped up hobby bobby tried to move me on. I imagine it will cause more harm than good." Here's a man who knows his stuff and knows where hes going: A spell in a Welsh cooler.............. displayed
  • Score: -1

8:30pm Fri 4 Jul 14

landyman3030 says...

displayed wrote:
"I couldn't say what my reaction would be if some jumped up hobby bobby tried to move me on.
I imagine it will cause more harm than good."

Here's a man who knows his stuff and knows where hes going:

A spell in a Welsh cooler..............
That jumped up hobby bobby is the only uniform you are likely to see the next time you need help. When are people like you going to realise that the pcso service is not just as well as, it's instead of a proper copper in many cases. If you are causing a nuisance and are asked to move on and refuse or throw your toys out of your pram, you will find out what happens.
[quote][p][bold]displayed[/bold] wrote: "I couldn't say what my reaction would be if some jumped up hobby bobby tried to move me on. I imagine it will cause more harm than good." Here's a man who knows his stuff and knows where hes going: A spell in a Welsh cooler..............[/p][/quote]That jumped up hobby bobby is the only uniform you are likely to see the next time you need help. When are people like you going to realise that the pcso service is not just as well as, it's instead of a proper copper in many cases. If you are causing a nuisance and are asked to move on and refuse or throw your toys out of your pram, you will find out what happens. landyman3030
  • Score: 8

8:59pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Bobevans says...

Paxman's Army wrote:
And I also would worry about demonstrators. I hope this action isn't just to remove peaceful demonstrators from gathering during the NATO event. In fact, I hope they will be allowed to protest as is their right.
It is an offence to obstruct the highway so yes they may be moved on
[quote][p][bold]Paxman's Army[/bold] wrote: And I also would worry about demonstrators. I hope this action isn't just to remove peaceful demonstrators from gathering during the NATO event. In fact, I hope they will be allowed to protest as is their right.[/p][/quote]It is an offence to obstruct the highway so yes they may be moved on Bobevans
  • Score: 0

8:57am Sat 5 Jul 14

Mervyn James says...

throwy1 wrote:
Paxman's Army wrote:
And I also would worry about demonstrators. I hope this action isn't just to remove peaceful demonstrators from gathering during the NATO event. In fact, I hope they will be allowed to protest as is their right.
Remove peaceful demonstrators. How many demonstrators do you think will decend on Newport during the Summit? Social media is suggesting between 20000 - 30000
Newport CC wouldn't give them a venue in the city, most protests will be taking place near Coldra, and there is no 'square' to gather in. Can't wait to see some protester with a tractor plough driving across the course lol...
[quote][p][bold]throwy1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paxman's Army[/bold] wrote: And I also would worry about demonstrators. I hope this action isn't just to remove peaceful demonstrators from gathering during the NATO event. In fact, I hope they will be allowed to protest as is their right.[/p][/quote]Remove peaceful demonstrators. How many demonstrators do you think will decend on Newport during the Summit? Social media is suggesting between 20000 - 30000[/p][/quote]Newport CC wouldn't give them a venue in the city, most protests will be taking place near Coldra, and there is no 'square' to gather in. Can't wait to see some protester with a tractor plough driving across the course lol... Mervyn James
  • Score: 0

9:19am Sat 5 Jul 14

artsfan says...

Funny how this comes in to being a couple of months before the NATO summit. There is going to be a protest through the city centre as well as another one that starts elsewhere. A whole week of action is, in fact, planned as you can find out about on the NoNATONewport facebook page. Like it, share it with all your friends and take part!

I have witnessed first hand how these hobby bobbies as well as regular cops bully the more vulnerable people in the city centre. They're going to have a field day now. Personally I think that the centre will be more or less free of homeless people by the time outsiders arrive in Newport for the summit and the protests because they cause too much of an embarrassment to the Council.

The root causes of the problems need to be addressed. Our education system stinks, if you're non-academic you have no chance whatsoever. Low pay, lack of affordable housing, 'in your face' pushing of alcohol WITHOUT health warnings that it is addictive, etc. Many of the homeless people are good people with problems. The system has let them down and there are going to be more and more like them unless change takes place.
Funny how this comes in to being a couple of months before the NATO summit. There is going to be a protest through the city centre as well as another one that starts elsewhere. A whole week of action is, in fact, planned as you can find out about on the NoNATONewport facebook page. Like it, share it with all your friends and take part! I have witnessed first hand how these hobby bobbies as well as regular cops bully the more vulnerable people in the city centre. They're going to have a field day now. Personally I think that the centre will be more or less free of homeless people by the time outsiders arrive in Newport for the summit and the protests because they cause too much of an embarrassment to the Council. The root causes of the problems need to be addressed. Our education system stinks, if you're non-academic you have no chance whatsoever. Low pay, lack of affordable housing, 'in your face' pushing of alcohol WITHOUT health warnings that it is addictive, etc. Many of the homeless people are good people with problems. The system has let them down and there are going to be more and more like them unless change takes place. artsfan
  • Score: -8

9:53am Sat 5 Jul 14

Llanmartinangel says...

artsfan wrote:
Funny how this comes in to being a couple of months before the NATO summit. There is going to be a protest through the city centre as well as another one that starts elsewhere. A whole week of action is, in fact, planned as you can find out about on the NoNATONewport facebook page. Like it, share it with all your friends and take part!

I have witnessed first hand how these hobby bobbies as well as regular cops bully the more vulnerable people in the city centre. They're going to have a field day now. Personally I think that the centre will be more or less free of homeless people by the time outsiders arrive in Newport for the summit and the protests because they cause too much of an embarrassment to the Council.

The root causes of the problems need to be addressed. Our education system stinks, if you're non-academic you have no chance whatsoever. Low pay, lack of affordable housing, 'in your face' pushing of alcohol WITHOUT health warnings that it is addictive, etc. Many of the homeless people are good people with problems. The system has let them down and there are going to be more and more like them unless change takes place.
I did wonder how long it would be before someone told all of us stupid people that the large numbers of City hanging miscreants were 'big bad whoever's' fault. No warnings on alcohol? Are you for real?
[quote][p][bold]artsfan[/bold] wrote: Funny how this comes in to being a couple of months before the NATO summit. There is going to be a protest through the city centre as well as another one that starts elsewhere. A whole week of action is, in fact, planned as you can find out about on the NoNATONewport facebook page. Like it, share it with all your friends and take part! I have witnessed first hand how these hobby bobbies as well as regular cops bully the more vulnerable people in the city centre. They're going to have a field day now. Personally I think that the centre will be more or less free of homeless people by the time outsiders arrive in Newport for the summit and the protests because they cause too much of an embarrassment to the Council. The root causes of the problems need to be addressed. Our education system stinks, if you're non-academic you have no chance whatsoever. Low pay, lack of affordable housing, 'in your face' pushing of alcohol WITHOUT health warnings that it is addictive, etc. Many of the homeless people are good people with problems. The system has let them down and there are going to be more and more like them unless change takes place.[/p][/quote]I did wonder how long it would be before someone told all of us stupid people that the large numbers of City hanging miscreants were 'big bad whoever's' fault. No warnings on alcohol? Are you for real? Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 8

10:08am Sat 5 Jul 14

Dai Rear says...

"A whole week of action is, in fact, planned as you can find out about on the NoNATONewport facebook page. Like it, share it with all your friends and take part! "
Instead of having a "YesPUTIN" week of action" why not have a week of athletic competition for those with that week to spare? As you say the state education has fallen into decadence, not least on the sporting front, so that would be positive, instead of just another lot of boring pudgy lefties shambling round the place mooing and bleating.
As to the indigents, the legislation is aimed at the minority of them who are anti-social. That's their choice and nothing to do with things like low pay (they don't work) or "affordable " housing (they're not capable of behaving in an acceptable way so unable to be a tenant at any price). I don't disagree that the police can be heavy handed (though they prefer to keep out of the way usually) but cameras on people's phones have calmed them down since the one pushed the alcoholic in London.
"A whole week of action is, in fact, planned as you can find out about on the NoNATONewport facebook page. Like it, share it with all your friends and take part! " Instead of having a "YesPUTIN" week of action" why not have a week of athletic competition for those with that week to spare? As you say the state education has fallen into decadence, not least on the sporting front, so that would be positive, instead of just another lot of boring pudgy lefties shambling round the place mooing and bleating. As to the indigents, the legislation is aimed at the minority of them who are anti-social. That's their choice and nothing to do with things like low pay (they don't work) or "affordable " housing (they're not capable of behaving in an acceptable way so unable to be a tenant at any price). I don't disagree that the police can be heavy handed (though they prefer to keep out of the way usually) but cameras on people's phones have calmed them down since the one pushed the alcoholic in London. Dai Rear
  • Score: 1

12:51pm Sat 5 Jul 14

b3talover says...

butlerselectrical@gm
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wrote:
Newport has far worse problems that a few kids standing about, not doing much.
I couldn't say what my reaction would be if some jumped up hobby bobby tried to move me on.
I imagine it will cause more harm than good.
You are exactly the type of person this type of dispersal order was designed for then. If you have a "reaction" to an officer calmly exercising his or her powers to ask you to leave, then you have a problem with authority. Your aggressive "don't you know who I am? " attitude is certainly not welcome on the streets of Newport.
[quote][p][bold]butlerselectrical@gm ail.com[/bold] wrote: Newport has far worse problems that a few kids standing about, not doing much. I couldn't say what my reaction would be if some jumped up hobby bobby tried to move me on. I imagine it will cause more harm than good.[/p][/quote]You are exactly the type of person this type of dispersal order was designed for then. If you have a "reaction" to an officer calmly exercising his or her powers to ask you to leave, then you have a problem with authority. Your aggressive "don't you know who I am? " attitude is certainly not welcome on the streets of Newport. b3talover
  • Score: 6

2:44pm Sat 5 Jul 14

mikewelsh says...

41 Comments now. Time to disperse this lot. Come on .... Move Along Please.!
41 Comments now. Time to disperse this lot. Come on .... Move Along Please.! mikewelsh
  • Score: 2

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