THE NEWSDESK: Stop keeping the people of Newport in the dark about the Nato summit

TRAFFIC: Significant congestion is expected during the Nato summit

TRAFFIC: Significant congestion is expected during the Nato summit

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IT IS now very clear that the Nato summit will bring significant disruption to residents and businesses in Newport.

Our story on Saturday revealed that authorities say there will be significant congestion during the September 4 to 5 summit, and Newport council is advising of a peak late on September 4.

Summit organisers will be moving large numbers of delegates to their hotels on the evening of September 4, while others will be heading to events outside the Celtic Manor Resort.

A note on Newport council’s website reads: “It is currently anticipated that peak disruption is likely to occur on the M4 between the Severn Bridge and Cardiff (in both directions) on the late afternoon and evening of Thursday September 4.”

It goes on: “Motorists should aim to avoid this route completely if at all possible, especially for local journeys around Newport during this time, as it is expected there may still be potentially significant and unavoidable congestion.

“Please consider walking, cycling, car sharing or using public transport for all journeys over these two days and remember to allow extra time for travel.”

A spokeswoman for insurance firm Admiral said it is going to encourage its 450 staff in Newport city centre to “travel by public transport or car share with colleagues, and to allow extra time for their journey”.

Insurance comparison site GoCompare, which is also based in Newport, said possible options include working from home and flexible start and finish times.

And, of course, we have already revealed that schools in the city may be closed because of the transport difficulties.

Many people will face having to work from home because of childcare issues, or trying to get childcare which is now going to be at a premium for those days.

We are getting information, in piecemeal form, from the council and police when they are told it. What we are not getting is any good communication directly from Downing Street which is organising this summit.

We are getting the spin that this is good for the city. That is all.

That is a matter of debate.

It is good for the Celtic Manor which is a business which employs hundreds of people - so in an indirect way, yes, it is good for this city.

It will be good when the thousands of journalists who are expected bring with them their expense accounts - provided they spend them in the city and not elsewhere. Along with the anticipated 20,000 protesters, who will also need to buy their lunches and stay somewhere.

Those are the plus sides.

But will many of those who attend even know they are in Newport? I find it hard to believe that Barack Obama will be going walkabout in Ringland, or that Francois Hollande will pop to Spytty.

And we should have been warned about the downsides to this summit long before now.

It is hardly the case that David Cameron and Downing Street are not aware of the bottleneck that is the M4 through Newport. Not when the Prime Minister came here himself to announce that Wales should "just get on with" building a new motorway.

It seems that in Westminster, there are a number of people sticking their fingers in their ears and pretending not to hear the difficulties being flagged up from the front line here in Newport.

And if I'm wrong, if these downsides are being taken seriously and planned for properly, how am I to know? How are any of us?

Where's the communication?

When Gwent's Chief Constable Jeff Farrar says he has not been given all the information, as he did in a recent Argus story from the Gwent Police and Crime Panel, what chance do ordinary folk like us have?

Dear Downing Street - stop treating the people of Newport like mushrooms, stop keeping us in the dark, and start giving us realistic information about this event.

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3:57pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Practicalmickey says...

Alway primary school is closed 4&5 September.
Let's hope the re-surfacing if the SDR is finished by then.
Alway primary school is closed 4&5 September. Let's hope the re-surfacing if the SDR is finished by then. Practicalmickey
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4:03pm Sun 6 Jul 14

displayed says...

This is Summit about nuthin............
Next news story...............
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This is Summit about nuthin............ Next news story............... .... displayed
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4:14pm Sun 6 Jul 14

allacnesolution.com says...

The NATO Summit is a world wide prestigious event that will be remembered long after all the people reading this are dead and gone. It is a privilege for the people of Newport and Wales to be blessed with hosting this event. So there will be some traffic interruptions but the plans have to remain as need to know for important security reasons. As there are still some butters out there that will want to cause much bigger disruptions and harm people, people should be more worried about them! Newport wanted to become a City, which it now is and has since (thanks to the Terry Matthews and the Celctic Manor) hosted the Ryder Cup and Now the NATO Summit. THIS IS GOOD FOR NEWPORT AND WALES!!!!
The NATO Summit is a world wide prestigious event that will be remembered long after all the people reading this are dead and gone. It is a privilege for the people of Newport and Wales to be blessed with hosting this event. So there will be some traffic interruptions but the plans have to remain as need to know for important security reasons. As there are still some butters out there that will want to cause much bigger disruptions and harm people, people should be more worried about them! Newport wanted to become a City, which it now is and has since (thanks to the Terry Matthews and the Celctic Manor) hosted the Ryder Cup and Now the NATO Summit. THIS IS GOOD FOR NEWPORT AND WALES!!!! allacnesolution.com
  • Score: -6

5:12pm Sun 6 Jul 14

KarloMarko says...

Yes well, keep taking the big blue tablets with the smiley face.

According some leaftets I picked up in the Market last week, Thurs 4 Sept will also be the day of "A Mass Action". So you can bet the house that the 10,000 eager well rewarded cops deployed will be geared up to stop that "mass action" a la Chicago, before it starts and by any means necessary. So September 2014 could WELL put "Newport on the world map" in ways the Argus eds have never dreamt of. Awesome.
Yes well, keep taking the big blue tablets with the smiley face. According some leaftets I picked up in the Market last week, Thurs 4 Sept will also be the day of "A Mass Action". So you can bet the house that the 10,000 eager well rewarded cops deployed will be geared up to stop that "mass action" a la Chicago, before it starts and by any means necessary. So September 2014 could WELL put "Newport on the world map" in ways the Argus eds have never dreamt of. Awesome. KarloMarko
  • Score: 8

5:43pm Sun 6 Jul 14

sooty001 says...

allacnesolution.com wrote:
The NATO Summit is a world wide prestigious event that will be remembered long after all the people reading this are dead and gone. It is a privilege for the people of Newport and Wales to be blessed with hosting this event. So there will be some traffic interruptions but the plans have to remain as need to know for important security reasons. As there are still some butters out there that will want to cause much bigger disruptions and harm people, people should be more worried about them! Newport wanted to become a City, which it now is and has since (thanks to the Terry Matthews and the Celctic Manor) hosted the Ryder Cup and Now the NATO Summit. THIS IS GOOD FOR NEWPORT AND WALES!!!!
As maybe but if you live in the Ringland area, you try taking your children to school, going to work, doing your shopping, the place will be in lockdown and there is not a thing we can do about it. We need someone to give us the facts straight and not treat us like mushrooms, I do understand the security aspect but it is not fair or decent to keep thousands of people in the dark.
[quote][p][bold]allacnesolution.com[/bold] wrote: The NATO Summit is a world wide prestigious event that will be remembered long after all the people reading this are dead and gone. It is a privilege for the people of Newport and Wales to be blessed with hosting this event. So there will be some traffic interruptions but the plans have to remain as need to know for important security reasons. As there are still some butters out there that will want to cause much bigger disruptions and harm people, people should be more worried about them! Newport wanted to become a City, which it now is and has since (thanks to the Terry Matthews and the Celctic Manor) hosted the Ryder Cup and Now the NATO Summit. THIS IS GOOD FOR NEWPORT AND WALES!!!![/p][/quote]As maybe but if you live in the Ringland area, you try taking your children to school, going to work, doing your shopping, the place will be in lockdown and there is not a thing we can do about it. We need someone to give us the facts straight and not treat us like mushrooms, I do understand the security aspect but it is not fair or decent to keep thousands of people in the dark. sooty001
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6:05pm Sun 6 Jul 14

KarloMarko says...

I recently read that the "security" costs and police, services etc. extended strategy for this US led Drone-fest are greater than for the London Olympics. So, its "business as usual" then? No don't think so...that's WHY you are being slowly softened up, snowed and drip fed. The Ryder cup redux it aint.
I recently read that the "security" costs and police, services etc. extended strategy for this US led Drone-fest are greater than for the London Olympics. So, its "business as usual" then? No don't think so...that's WHY you are being slowly softened up, snowed and drip fed. The Ryder cup redux it aint. KarloMarko
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6:05pm Sun 6 Jul 14

JanJenkins says...

Maybe If the Delegates of this Summit hadn't made so many decisions that made them so unpopular with People, there would not need to be such a big fuss or such over-the-top security.
Such a big deal is made, in a decade nobody will remember who they are, or care.
What the Organisers have failed to understand, this rolling boys/ girls club causes Bedlam and vast expense which ever country the meet in. They need to try Tele-Conferencing then they won't need all this security.
Maybe If the Delegates of this Summit hadn't made so many decisions that made them so unpopular with People, there would not need to be such a big fuss or such over-the-top security. Such a big deal is made, in a decade nobody will remember who they are, or care. What the Organisers have failed to understand, this rolling boys/ girls club causes Bedlam and vast expense which ever country the meet in. They need to try Tele-Conferencing then they won't need all this security. JanJenkins
  • Score: 12

6:18pm Sun 6 Jul 14

DraigDun says...

Maria, much information on this event has been published by the various parties involved. Number 10 isn't the best source for traffic/travel information. Since February, Gwent Police have issued numerous statements on this and have promised to put live travel information on their website one month before the summit. Although the Argus has only know decided to jump on the issue and attempt to 'catastrophize' it, we're still in July - 2 months before the feared disruptions.
Local businesses will naturally advise people to avoid using the M4 during peak times, but you certainly won't see some kind of economic ice age hit Newport for TWO DAYS.
I'm glad to see you acknowledged some of the advantages of having this prestigious event held in Newport, although you failed to mention how the world's press will also gain some field experience of being based in the area.
By the way, does anyone find it outrageous the South Wales Argus, self-denoted advocate of everything Newportian, fails to include the word NEWPORT in its title? Quite a SNUB to us poor, unrepresented residents, right? No, thought not. Actually, I'm more outraged by how the Argus decided to grumble on our behalf that the majority of us are more concerned about the naming of a NATO summit than about anything else.
Maria, much information on this event has been published by the various parties involved. Number 10 isn't the best source for traffic/travel information. Since February, Gwent Police have issued numerous statements on this and have promised to put live travel information on their website one month before the summit. Although the Argus has only know decided to jump on the issue and attempt to 'catastrophize' it, we're still in July - 2 months before the feared disruptions. Local businesses will naturally advise people to avoid using the M4 during peak times, but you certainly won't see some kind of economic ice age hit Newport for TWO DAYS. I'm glad to see you acknowledged some of the advantages of having this prestigious event held in Newport, although you failed to mention how the world's press will also gain some field experience of being based in the area. By the way, does anyone find it outrageous the South Wales Argus, self-denoted advocate of everything Newportian, fails to include the word NEWPORT in its title? Quite a SNUB to us poor, unrepresented residents, right? No, thought not. Actually, I'm more outraged by how the Argus decided to grumble on our behalf that the majority of us are more concerned about the naming of a NATO summit than about anything else. DraigDun
  • Score: 9

6:29pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Kevin Ward - Editor says...

DraigDun
The South Wales Argus has been existence since 1892. We have never had the word Newport in our title. Why? Because we don't only cover Newport.
Nato summits, however, have always been named after their host cities.
We have never said people are more worried about the summit title than anything else.
We are also, in general, supportive of the summit.
Maria writes an opinion column. She is welcome to voice her opinion, as are you.
However, the facts are (and I have spoken personally to senior people in these organisations during the last fortnight) that both the police and the city council are frustrated by the lack of information from the UK Government.
As the chief constable stated last month, it is the local agencies who will get the blame from local people for any problems during the summit even though they do not have the lead organisational role.
Gwent Police, for instance, are not responsible for the M4.
DraigDun The South Wales Argus has been existence since 1892. We have never had the word Newport in our title. Why? Because we don't only cover Newport. Nato summits, however, have always been named after their host cities. We have never said people are more worried about the summit title than anything else. We are also, in general, supportive of the summit. Maria writes an opinion column. She is welcome to voice her opinion, as are you. However, the facts are (and I have spoken personally to senior people in these organisations during the last fortnight) that both the police and the city council are frustrated by the lack of information from the UK Government. As the chief constable stated last month, it is the local agencies who will get the blame from local people for any problems during the summit even though they do not have the lead organisational role. Gwent Police, for instance, are not responsible for the M4. Kevin Ward - Editor
  • Score: 16

6:58pm Sun 6 Jul 14

DraigDun says...

Kevin Ward - Editor wrote:
DraigDun
The South Wales Argus has been existence since 1892. We have never had the word Newport in our title. Why? Because we don't only cover Newport.
Nato summits, however, have always been named after their host cities.
We have never said people are more worried about the summit title than anything else.
We are also, in general, supportive of the summit.
Maria writes an opinion column. She is welcome to voice her opinion, as are you.
However, the facts are (and I have spoken personally to senior people in these organisations during the last fortnight) that both the police and the city council are frustrated by the lack of information from the UK Government.
As the chief constable stated last month, it is the local agencies who will get the blame from local people for any problems during the summit even though they do not have the lead organisational role.
Gwent Police, for instance, are not responsible for the M4.
So far, Kevin, the only coverage of the summit that I've read of has been extremely negative. The point you make about Maria having freedom to express her opinion is a moot one - I in no way challenge this self-evident right.

Perhaps it would be more constructive to use this occasion to highlight pre-existing problems for the Newport area, such as the inadequate road links. In years to come, people might just remember how the NATO summit brought the final push needed to improve transport links in Wales (yes, what is seen here is, in fact, representative of Wales as a whole, so not such a bad idea to give the summit this name)
[quote][p][bold]Kevin Ward - Editor[/bold] wrote: DraigDun The South Wales Argus has been existence since 1892. We have never had the word Newport in our title. Why? Because we don't only cover Newport. Nato summits, however, have always been named after their host cities. We have never said people are more worried about the summit title than anything else. We are also, in general, supportive of the summit. Maria writes an opinion column. She is welcome to voice her opinion, as are you. However, the facts are (and I have spoken personally to senior people in these organisations during the last fortnight) that both the police and the city council are frustrated by the lack of information from the UK Government. As the chief constable stated last month, it is the local agencies who will get the blame from local people for any problems during the summit even though they do not have the lead organisational role. Gwent Police, for instance, are not responsible for the M4.[/p][/quote]So far, Kevin, the only coverage of the summit that I've read of has been extremely negative. The point you make about Maria having freedom to express her opinion is a moot one - I in no way challenge this self-evident right. Perhaps it would be more constructive to use this occasion to highlight pre-existing problems for the Newport area, such as the inadequate road links. In years to come, people might just remember how the NATO summit brought the final push needed to improve transport links in Wales (yes, what is seen here is, in fact, representative of Wales as a whole, so not such a bad idea to give the summit this name) DraigDun
  • Score: 4

7:06pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Kevin Ward - Editor says...

DraigDun
We have reported on many of what we believe to be the positives of hosting the Nato summit over the last few months, often opening ourselves up to criticism from many posters on this site in doing so.
We have reported on Newport's infrastructure problems and the various potential solutions to them hundreds (literally) of times over the years.
Certainly in the 25 years (across two stints) I have worked for the Argus, the M4 relief road has been a constant issue.
We'll have to agree to disagree on the summit name, I'm afraid. I don't see how the summit will improve transport links in Haverfordwest or Wrexham.
DraigDun We have reported on many of what we believe to be the positives of hosting the Nato summit over the last few months, often opening ourselves up to criticism from many posters on this site in doing so. We have reported on Newport's infrastructure problems and the various potential solutions to them hundreds (literally) of times over the years. Certainly in the 25 years (across two stints) I have worked for the Argus, the M4 relief road has been a constant issue. We'll have to agree to disagree on the summit name, I'm afraid. I don't see how the summit will improve transport links in Haverfordwest or Wrexham. Kevin Ward - Editor
  • Score: 3

7:13pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Beverley Moore says...

ITS TWO DAYS!!! anybody would think that this is going to go on for months! I am quite excited that something that will be written in History is happening in my home town! I have children that need to get to school (even tho the one is closing for the the 2 days) and i also have to get to work in Spytty (to which i will walk) Lets smile for the cameras and get on with it!
ITS TWO DAYS!!! anybody would think that this is going to go on for months! I am quite excited that something that will be written in History is happening in my home town! I have children that need to get to school (even tho the one is closing for the the 2 days) and i also have to get to work in Spytty (to which i will walk) Lets smile for the cameras and get on with it! Beverley Moore
  • Score: 14

7:18pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Kevin Ward - Editor says...

I am in agreement with you Beverley.
But I also think people and businesses need as much information as possible as far in advance as possible to ensure they can make necessary arrangements to minimise disruption during the summit.
I am in agreement with you Beverley. But I also think people and businesses need as much information as possible as far in advance as possible to ensure they can make necessary arrangements to minimise disruption during the summit. Kevin Ward - Editor
  • Score: 1

7:26pm Sun 6 Jul 14

smiffy76 says...

Personally think the local press and probably the police are blowing it all out of proportion.
Yes there will be done delays but probably no more than an accident on the M4 (that is too small for the job anyway)
Some schools in East Newport will probably close but that will be a nice long weekend for the kids.

I doubt it will be remembered especially as who can name the last NATO host city? (no Google now)

Of course if call me Dave wants to go loco for a few hours he would be brave to go into some parts of Newport. (And will probably go to some trendy bar in Cardiff)
Still let's try to make some money from the press or protests.
If your kids are off then it will be a great time to take them away as it's out of school holidays and there inflated prices
Personally think the local press and probably the police are blowing it all out of proportion. Yes there will be done delays but probably no more than an accident on the M4 (that is too small for the job anyway) Some schools in East Newport will probably close but that will be a nice long weekend for the kids. I doubt it will be remembered especially as who can name the last NATO host city? (no Google now) Of course if call me Dave wants to go loco for a few hours he would be brave to go into some parts of Newport. (And will probably go to some trendy bar in Cardiff) Still let's try to make some money from the press or protests. If your kids are off then it will be a great time to take them away as it's out of school holidays and there inflated prices smiffy76
  • Score: 7

8:32pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Katie Re-Registered says...

Let's bear in mind that not everyone has a job which they are able to do from home. Not everyone is a middle class person with a career who works in an office. What about the shop workers, nurses and cleaners who face the prospect of losing a day's pay or being forced to take holiday leave on the day of the summit?

Did the government ask the people of Newport if we wanted a summit here which our infrastructure might not be able to cope with and which will put us at increased risk of terrorist attack? No, they didn't actually. Is this a contradiction of the democratic principles upon which the power invested in aforementioned government is supposedly based?
Let's bear in mind that not everyone has a job which they are able to do from home. Not everyone is a middle class person with a career who works in an office. What about the shop workers, nurses and cleaners who face the prospect of losing a day's pay or being forced to take holiday leave on the day of the summit? Did the government ask the people of Newport if we wanted a summit here which our infrastructure might not be able to cope with and which will put us at increased risk of terrorist attack? No, they didn't actually. Is this a contradiction of the democratic principles upon which the power invested in aforementioned government is supposedly based? Katie Re-Registered
  • Score: 8

9:30pm Sun 6 Jul 14

davidcp says...

"What do you specifically want to know that you don't already know?"
"I dunno"
"Well funnily enough, I don't know either. When you know what you specifically want to know I'll see if I know and then I'll tell you."
Spock.
"What do you specifically want to know that you don't already know?" "I dunno" "Well funnily enough, I don't know either. When you know what you specifically want to know I'll see if I know and then I'll tell you." Spock. davidcp
  • Score: 2

9:55pm Sun 6 Jul 14

gingertom says...

https://www.assembly
wales.org/epetition-
list-of-signatories.
htm?pet_id=1019
https://www.assembly wales.org/epetition- list-of-signatories. htm?pet_id=1019 gingertom
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9:57pm Sun 6 Jul 14

DavidMclean says...

It's very simple folks. What we have here is the 'Andy Murray Syndrome'. Just as Murray is a Brit when he wins and a Scot when he loses, so it will be with the Summit. If the Summit goes well it will be a triumph for Wales, if it doesn't, it will be a disaster for Newport.
It's very simple folks. What we have here is the 'Andy Murray Syndrome'. Just as Murray is a Brit when he wins and a Scot when he loses, so it will be with the Summit. If the Summit goes well it will be a triumph for Wales, if it doesn't, it will be a disaster for Newport. DavidMclean
  • Score: 6

9:58pm Sun 6 Jul 14

gingertom says...

http://survey.gwent.
pcc.police.uk/index.
php?sid=62493&lang=e
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http://survey.gwent. pcc.police.uk/index. php?sid=62493&lang=e n gingertom
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10:53pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Kevin Ward - Editor says...

You surprise me Katie.
Are you really saying middle class people only work in offices and not in shops or as nurses?
That seems a remarkably old-fashioned, conformist view of the world.
You surprise me Katie. Are you really saying middle class people only work in offices and not in shops or as nurses? That seems a remarkably old-fashioned, conformist view of the world. Kevin Ward - Editor
  • Score: 8

11:26pm Sun 6 Jul 14

sword of truth says...

allacnesolution.com says...

The NATO Summit is a world wide prestigious event that will be remembered long after all the people reading this are dead and gone. It is a privilege for the people of Newport and Wales to be blessed with hosting this event. So there will be some traffic interruptions but the plans have to remain as need to know for important security reasons. As there are still some butters out there that will want to cause much bigger disruptions and harm people, people should be more worried about them! Newport wanted to become a City, which it now is and has since (thanks to the Terry Matthews and the Celctic Manor) hosted the Ryder Cup and Now the NATO Summit. THIS IS GOOD FOR NEWPORT AND WALES!!!!


Quite an intensive and unconvincing bit of propaganda. Don't quite get the 'prestigious event' and 'privilege for the people of Newport' bits. But, our 'luck' in mirroring the privilege of the gentle folk of Wannsee 1942 in hosting the Nazis' conference for the Final Solution - c. 20 million murdered. If you passively or otherwise accept this abhorrent circus on your doorstep, then don't expect to look your grandchildren in the eye in future and say you did your best for their future,
allacnesolution.com says... The NATO Summit is a world wide prestigious event that will be remembered long after all the people reading this are dead and gone. It is a privilege for the people of Newport and Wales to be blessed with hosting this event. So there will be some traffic interruptions but the plans have to remain as need to know for important security reasons. As there are still some butters out there that will want to cause much bigger disruptions and harm people, people should be more worried about them! Newport wanted to become a City, which it now is and has since (thanks to the Terry Matthews and the Celctic Manor) hosted the Ryder Cup and Now the NATO Summit. THIS IS GOOD FOR NEWPORT AND WALES!!!! Quite an intensive and unconvincing bit of propaganda. Don't quite get the 'prestigious event' and 'privilege for the people of Newport' bits. But, our 'luck' in mirroring the privilege of the gentle folk of Wannsee 1942 in hosting the Nazis' conference for the Final Solution - c. 20 million murdered. If you passively or otherwise accept this abhorrent circus on your doorstep, then don't expect to look your grandchildren in the eye in future and say you did your best for their future, sword of truth
  • Score: 0

1:55am Mon 7 Jul 14

Dai Rear says...

sword of truth wrote:
allacnesolution.com says...

The NATO Summit is a world wide prestigious event that will be remembered long after all the people reading this are dead and gone. It is a privilege for the people of Newport and Wales to be blessed with hosting this event. So there will be some traffic interruptions but the plans have to remain as need to know for important security reasons. As there are still some butters out there that will want to cause much bigger disruptions and harm people, people should be more worried about them! Newport wanted to become a City, which it now is and has since (thanks to the Terry Matthews and the Celctic Manor) hosted the Ryder Cup and Now the NATO Summit. THIS IS GOOD FOR NEWPORT AND WALES!!!!


Quite an intensive and unconvincing bit of propaganda. Don't quite get the 'prestigious event' and 'privilege for the people of Newport' bits. But, our 'luck' in mirroring the privilege of the gentle folk of Wannsee 1942 in hosting the Nazis' conference for the Final Solution - c. 20 million murdered. If you passively or otherwise accept this abhorrent circus on your doorstep, then don't expect to look your grandchildren in the eye in future and say you did your best for their future,
Ah the first one to quote the Nazis invariably loses the argument, particularly when they confuse the numbers murdered by "their" side with the numbers murdered by the other side-or what they perceive as the other side though clearly communism and fascism are identical - (Stalin & Mao both north of 20 million but we managed to stop Hitler before he got anywhere near that figure)
[quote][p][bold]sword of truth[/bold] wrote: allacnesolution.com says... The NATO Summit is a world wide prestigious event that will be remembered long after all the people reading this are dead and gone. It is a privilege for the people of Newport and Wales to be blessed with hosting this event. So there will be some traffic interruptions but the plans have to remain as need to know for important security reasons. As there are still some butters out there that will want to cause much bigger disruptions and harm people, people should be more worried about them! Newport wanted to become a City, which it now is and has since (thanks to the Terry Matthews and the Celctic Manor) hosted the Ryder Cup and Now the NATO Summit. THIS IS GOOD FOR NEWPORT AND WALES!!!! Quite an intensive and unconvincing bit of propaganda. Don't quite get the 'prestigious event' and 'privilege for the people of Newport' bits. But, our 'luck' in mirroring the privilege of the gentle folk of Wannsee 1942 in hosting the Nazis' conference for the Final Solution - c. 20 million murdered. If you passively or otherwise accept this abhorrent circus on your doorstep, then don't expect to look your grandchildren in the eye in future and say you did your best for their future,[/p][/quote]Ah the first one to quote the Nazis invariably loses the argument, particularly when they confuse the numbers murdered by "their" side with the numbers murdered by the other side-or what they perceive as the other side though clearly communism and fascism are identical - (Stalin & Mao both north of 20 million but we managed to stop Hitler before he got anywhere near that figure) Dai Rear
  • Score: 4

11:26am Mon 7 Jul 14

displayed says...

Those in charge of security, have to keep people in the dark about the arrangements for the travelling dignitaries, as u never know who mite b listening...........
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Those in charge of security, have to keep people in the dark about the arrangements for the travelling dignitaries, as u never know who mite b listening........... ................. Next! displayed
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11:29am Mon 7 Jul 14

N1geD1 says...

As David Dean's article yesterday said 'Stay off the roads..' the event is being managed by UK Government in London. So although it is intended to showcase (South) Wales, it will be what UK government wants the visiting dignitaries to see. (What this means is that neither the Welsh Government nor any local council will have any say in what happens and when - they need to make the necessary provisions to ensure that the various access roads are kept clear at certain times over the period involved)

What would be most helpful would be a page somewhere online with the routes affected and the dates - except that too much advance notice will allow protestors to be able to figure out how they can disrupt the event. It looks like there will be school closures in Cardiff and Newport - and this is being done on a school-by-school basis.

For businesses, there are already meetings being arranged to provide some information as to how they might make the most of the event. The South Wales Chamber events calendar has more information on this.
As David Dean's article yesterday said 'Stay off the roads..' the event is being managed by UK Government in London. So although it is intended to showcase (South) Wales, it will be what UK government wants the visiting dignitaries to see. (What this means is that neither the Welsh Government nor any local council will have any say in what happens and when - they need to make the necessary provisions to ensure that the various access roads are kept clear at certain times over the period involved) What would be most helpful would be a page somewhere online with the routes affected and the dates - except that too much advance notice will allow protestors to be able to figure out how they can disrupt the event. It looks like there will be school closures in Cardiff and Newport - and this is being done on a school-by-school basis. For businesses, there are already meetings being arranged to provide some information as to how they might make the most of the event. The South Wales Chamber events calendar has more information on this. N1geD1
  • Score: 0

11:33am Mon 7 Jul 14

N1geD1 says...

smiffy76 - Chicago 2012 - http://www.nato.int/
cps/en/natolive/even
ts_84074.htm - and whether you agree with the politics or not, estimated as having generated several hundred millions for the local economy - perhaps this could be a source of compensation for the lost days Katie is concerned about?
smiffy76 - Chicago 2012 - http://www.nato.int/ cps/en/natolive/even ts_84074.htm - and whether you agree with the politics or not, estimated as having generated several hundred millions for the local economy - perhaps this could be a source of compensation for the lost days Katie is concerned about? N1geD1
  • Score: 0

11:57am Mon 7 Jul 14

KarloMarko says...

Chicago Tribune 5/2012..."A trumpeting of the economic
impact of the NATO summit
provided by those supportive
of the event should invite the
same SKEPTICISM as the
campaign promises of political
candidates. That old financial
axiom applies: If it sounds too
good to be true …". Robert A. Baade,
economist at Lake Forest College. Allen R. Sanderson is an economist at the University
of Chicago.
Chicago Tribune 5/2012..."A trumpeting of the economic impact of the NATO summit provided by those supportive of the event should invite the same SKEPTICISM as the campaign promises of political candidates. That old financial axiom applies: If it sounds too good to be true …". Robert A. Baade, economist at Lake Forest College. Allen R. Sanderson is an economist at the University of Chicago. KarloMarko
  • Score: 2

2:54pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Crazydad says...

There is a lot of over reaction to this summit and the idea of schools closing isn't because of problems for pupils but more for the convenience of its staff who may have a longer journey time on the way home. If however your child is late for school or has to leave early due to traffic then you would have some comment from the school you have to comply with them and not the other way round. I dont see any offers for the school to work these two days in the first week of the summer holidays (as a pay back for the time children have lost from their education). The traffic disruption will be due to security around the delegates to get them out of Newport for no doubt some event taking place in Cardiff yet another snub for Newport.
There is a lot of over reaction to this summit and the idea of schools closing isn't because of problems for pupils but more for the convenience of its staff who may have a longer journey time on the way home. If however your child is late for school or has to leave early due to traffic then you would have some comment from the school you have to comply with them and not the other way round. I dont see any offers for the school to work these two days in the first week of the summer holidays (as a pay back for the time children have lost from their education). The traffic disruption will be due to security around the delegates to get them out of Newport for no doubt some event taking place in Cardiff yet another snub for Newport. Crazydad
  • Score: -3

3:18pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Mervyn James says...

'Tis a queer sort of democratic meeting that infringes on the rights of others with impunity. Security would be only around the Coldra area why shut down Chepstow Rd ? shops, and half the schools in Newport as well, surely, no-one is that important ?
'Tis a queer sort of democratic meeting that infringes on the rights of others with impunity. Security would be only around the Coldra area why shut down Chepstow Rd ? shops, and half the schools in Newport as well, surely, no-one is that important ? Mervyn James
  • Score: -1

7:43am Tue 8 Jul 14

Casnewydd lad says...

There was a meeting two weeks ago at Nash college about the NATO summit Gwent police gave the talk and only 5 people turned up.
There was a meeting two weeks ago at Nash college about the NATO summit Gwent police gave the talk and only 5 people turned up. Casnewydd lad
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11:14am Tue 8 Jul 14

cjwales1 says...

Playing Devils advocate here........
If I decide to fly my RC plane on the public area between Ringland & Bishpool View. Is there any legal reason for me to be stopped or even questioned ???????
Would I be within my rights to tell any security from any nation to go and do one ???????

All donations for bail send to etc etc etc !!!!
Playing Devils advocate here........ If I decide to fly my RC plane on the public area between Ringland & Bishpool View. Is there any legal reason for me to be stopped or even questioned ??????? Would I be within my rights to tell any security from any nation to go and do one ??????? All donations for bail send to etc etc etc !!!! cjwales1
  • Score: 3

8:25pm Tue 8 Jul 14

SpannerSpinner says...

Casnewydd lad wrote:
There was a meeting two weeks ago at Nash college about the NATO summit Gwent police gave the talk and only 5 people turned up.
Out of interest how're they making people aware of these meetings Cas?

I've spent most of the past month sending emails back and fore with the police trying to find out what the deal is with the road closures. Up as recently as last thursday I was still being told that firm closure information wasn't available. If any of the officers I dealt with had mentioned there was going to be a meeting about it up at Nash I'd have been up there like a shot.
[quote][p][bold]Casnewydd lad[/bold] wrote: There was a meeting two weeks ago at Nash college about the NATO summit Gwent police gave the talk and only 5 people turned up.[/p][/quote]Out of interest how're they making people aware of these meetings Cas? I've spent most of the past month sending emails back and fore with the police trying to find out what the deal is with the road closures. Up as recently as last thursday I was still being told that firm closure information wasn't available. If any of the officers I dealt with had mentioned there was going to be a meeting about it up at Nash I'd have been up there like a shot. SpannerSpinner
  • Score: 1

4:56am Wed 9 Jul 14

artsfan says...

Obviously the Celtic Manor, i.e. Terry Matthews, is going to make a load of money from this. Some businesses are going to lose out because they will be forced to close; others will make money from the protestors and possibly some of the reporters. I would like to know how much it will cost Newport in the way of extra policing, council services, etc., and whether or not Terry M. is going to contribute to those costs for a change. Him and his evil sidekick Simon Gibson have practically taken over the running of the entire city now (ReNewport Report), putting us high on the list as a terrorist target, so perhaps they should actually put something back into the city. God knows Terry has had enough handouts from the Assembly... possibly he's the biggest charity case in Wales. Oops, my bad! He lives in Canada where it's safer.
Obviously the Celtic Manor, i.e. Terry Matthews, is going to make a load of money from this. Some businesses are going to lose out because they will be forced to close; others will make money from the protestors and possibly some of the reporters. I would like to know how much it will cost Newport in the way of extra policing, council services, etc., and whether or not Terry M. is going to contribute to those costs for a change. Him and his evil sidekick Simon Gibson have practically taken over the running of the entire city now (ReNewport Report), putting us high on the list as a terrorist target, so perhaps they should actually put something back into the city. God knows Terry has had enough handouts from the Assembly... possibly he's the biggest charity case in Wales. Oops, my bad! He lives in Canada where it's safer. artsfan
  • Score: 1

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