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9:26am Thu 10 Jul 14

Good Job No Kids says...

Well done, with 27% of union members voting for strike action you have just made most people in the real world dislike you even more than they already did.

Considering the quality of schools and public services in this area, those out on strike should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves.
Well done, with 27% of union members voting for strike action you have just made most people in the real world dislike you even more than they already did. Considering the quality of schools and public services in this area, those out on strike should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves. Good Job No Kids
  • Score: -23

9:39am Thu 10 Jul 14

Not-Happy! says...

Teachers care.. i think not!.. you're holding the average person at ransom, people in the private sector don't get to choose to strike when their company decides to up the pension age or cap a final salary pension.. We'd get sacked!!.. think about that, on your 6 weeks off!..

...I've just had to fork out on child care for my 3 kids today..cheers!

GET BACK TO WORK!!.. you're not doing yourselves any favours.
Teachers care.. i think not!.. you're holding the average person at ransom, people in the private sector don't get to choose to strike when their company decides to up the pension age or cap a final salary pension.. We'd get sacked!!.. think about that, on your 6 weeks off!.. ...I've just had to fork out on child care for my 3 kids today..cheers! GET BACK TO WORK!!.. you're not doing yourselves any favours. Not-Happy!
  • Score: -19

9:50am Thu 10 Jul 14

BobEvams2014 says...

Reports indicate that the overwhelming majority of working people are very happy with their pay and conditions.

Employers in this country are renowned for their execellent treatment of employees and how highly they are regarded, in fact they go out of their way to make sure that employees have excellent pay and conditions, this goes back many years.

In view of these established and accepted facts , it can be agreed that there are no need for Trade Unions, in fact it can be proved that there never has been a need for them, and that in reality as we all know they are to all intents and purposes obselete,and are just a vehicle for undesriable and lazy people to make invalid points for the purposes of greed.

After UKIP win the next General Election, and the one True Leader has given himself a 50% pay increase

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UKIP will ensure that Trade Unions will be declared ILLEAGAL and all leaders 'rounded up' and assigned to special training facilities or 'camps' where 'concentrated' efforts will be made to train them to intrigrate to the new society planned.

As workers will be so happy , all employment rights will be removed as they will no longer be needed , as Employers are so wonderful and kind.
Reports indicate that the overwhelming majority of working people are very happy with their pay and conditions. Employers in this country are renowned for their execellent treatment of employees and how highly they are regarded, in fact they go out of their way to make sure that employees have excellent pay and conditions, this goes back many years. In view of these established and accepted facts , it can be agreed that there are no need for Trade Unions, in fact it can be proved that there never has been a need for them, and that in reality as we all know they are to all intents and purposes obselete,and are just a vehicle for undesriable and lazy people to make invalid points for the purposes of greed. After UKIP win the next General Election, and the one True Leader has given himself a 50% pay increase http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/ article-2684450/MPs- 100-000-year-Britain -leaves-EU-says-Fara ge-prepares-stand-Pa rliament.html UKIP will ensure that Trade Unions will be declared ILLEAGAL and all leaders 'rounded up' and assigned to special training facilities or 'camps' where 'concentrated' efforts will be made to train them to intrigrate to the new society planned. As workers will be so happy , all employment rights will be removed as they will no longer be needed , as Employers are so wonderful and kind. BobEvams2014
  • Score: -3

9:59am Thu 10 Jul 14

Not-Happy! says...

.. and your point is Bob.. your not a socialist by any chance?
.. and your point is Bob.. your not a socialist by any chance? Not-Happy!
  • Score: -23

10:15am Thu 10 Jul 14

Mervyn James says...

My child is in special needs, his teachers and support deserve everything they can get. They support children outside the school too. It is a disgrace with politicians and employers/bankers getting 11% pay rises year on year, attacking people doing a worthwhile job who are held down to 1% when the cost of living has risen near 20%. And they call these politicians educated, obviously economics wasn't an exam they passed, nor basic maths. One fact they could look at when attacking strike turnout, only 23% of the UK voted for THEM !!!
My child is in special needs, his teachers and support deserve everything they can get. They support children outside the school too. It is a disgrace with politicians and employers/bankers getting 11% pay rises year on year, attacking people doing a worthwhile job who are held down to 1% when the cost of living has risen near 20%. And they call these politicians educated, obviously economics wasn't an exam they passed, nor basic maths. One fact they could look at when attacking strike turnout, only 23% of the UK voted for THEM !!! Mervyn James
  • Score: 31

10:27am Thu 10 Jul 14

Good Job No Kids says...

Mervyn James wrote:
My child is in special needs, his teachers and support deserve everything they can get. They support children outside the school too. It is a disgrace with politicians and employers/bankers getting 11% pay rises year on year, attacking people doing a worthwhile job who are held down to 1% when the cost of living has risen near 20%. And they call these politicians educated, obviously economics wasn't an exam they passed, nor basic maths. One fact they could look at when attacking strike turnout, only 23% of the UK voted for THEM !!!
They deserve a competitive rate not "everything they can get".

If someone else including immigrants are prepared to do it for less then their rate is not competitive in a free market.

Considering the holidays and relatively short working day of the average teacher combined with education standards being achieve, championing of teachers will fall on deaf ears.

A vast amount of public sector employees were overpaid and over pensioned for years through labour vote buying tactics, the boot is now on the other foot.
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: My child is in special needs, his teachers and support deserve everything they can get. They support children outside the school too. It is a disgrace with politicians and employers/bankers getting 11% pay rises year on year, attacking people doing a worthwhile job who are held down to 1% when the cost of living has risen near 20%. And they call these politicians educated, obviously economics wasn't an exam they passed, nor basic maths. One fact they could look at when attacking strike turnout, only 23% of the UK voted for THEM !!![/p][/quote]They deserve a competitive rate not "everything they can get". If someone else including immigrants are prepared to do it for less then their rate is not competitive in a free market. Considering the holidays and relatively short working day of the average teacher combined with education standards being achieve, championing of teachers will fall on deaf ears. A vast amount of public sector employees were overpaid and over pensioned for years through labour vote buying tactics, the boot is now on the other foot. Good Job No Kids
  • Score: -29

10:28am Thu 10 Jul 14

golfer says...

Just spotted coach loads of teachers off to the beach in this nice sunshine ..as that's all they going to get ..get back to work
Just spotted coach loads of teachers off to the beach in this nice sunshine ..as that's all they going to get ..get back to work golfer
  • Score: -15

10:56am Thu 10 Jul 14

b3talover says...

Not-Happy! wrote:
Teachers care.. i think not!.. you're holding the average person at ransom, people in the private sector don't get to choose to strike when their company decides to up the pension age or cap a final salary pension.. We'd get sacked!!.. think about that, on your 6 weeks off!..

...I've just had to fork out on child care for my 3 kids today..cheers!

GET BACK TO WORK!!.. you're not doing yourselves any favours.
Pay teachers what they deserve then. School is not a place to dump your kids to save you child care costs. If you want the best education for your kids, you need motivated teachers. The alternative is that you home educate your children. This could become a reality if talented teachers move into other professions due to poor pay and conditions. People have had it too good for too long with this expectation that society works for them so they can carry on with their own blinkered lifestyle. I wonder how many people are complaining today as opposed to doing something proactive like sitting down with their kids and making them catch up on homework or classwork. They are probably in the other room on the Xbox whilst you sit in front of Homes under the Hammer with a big grump on. Am I right? You can't expect well educated people to work for peanuts. And to the people who are about to click on the -1 voting button, have a go at teaching before you comment. Job swap with someone in your local school for one day and see how you get on. Didn't think so. It's far easier to moan on here with your right wing chums isn't it. Keyboard warriors the lot of you!
[quote][p][bold]Not-Happy![/bold] wrote: Teachers care.. i think not!.. you're holding the average person at ransom, people in the private sector don't get to choose to strike when their company decides to up the pension age or cap a final salary pension.. We'd get sacked!!.. think about that, on your 6 weeks off!.. ...I've just had to fork out on child care for my 3 kids today..cheers! GET BACK TO WORK!!.. you're not doing yourselves any favours.[/p][/quote]Pay teachers what they deserve then. School is not a place to dump your kids to save you child care costs. If you want the best education for your kids, you need motivated teachers. The alternative is that you home educate your children. This could become a reality if talented teachers move into other professions due to poor pay and conditions. People have had it too good for too long with this expectation that society works for them so they can carry on with their own blinkered lifestyle. I wonder how many people are complaining today as opposed to doing something proactive like sitting down with their kids and making them catch up on homework or classwork. They are probably in the other room on the Xbox whilst you sit in front of Homes under the Hammer with a big grump on. Am I right? You can't expect well educated people to work for peanuts. And to the people who are about to click on the -1 voting button, have a go at teaching before you comment. Job swap with someone in your local school for one day and see how you get on. Didn't think so. It's far easier to moan on here with your right wing chums isn't it. Keyboard warriors the lot of you! b3talover
  • Score: 43

11:09am Thu 10 Jul 14

cjwales1 says...

No Favours have been done by this strike all it has done is raise more animosity !!!!! get back to work !!!!!
No Favours have been done by this strike all it has done is raise more animosity !!!!! get back to work !!!!! cjwales1
  • Score: -16

11:17am Thu 10 Jul 14

sens says...

I can assure you that I am not one of those teachers on a coach to the beach- and know of none of my colleagues who is! In fact many of us who are officially on strike and therefore losing a days' pay, will on return from the rally in Cardiff Bay, be spending many hours filling in data sheets and analysing it, as well as preparing exciting activities for the remainder of this term.
I can assure you that I am not one of those teachers on a coach to the beach- and know of none of my colleagues who is! In fact many of us who are officially on strike and therefore losing a days' pay, will on return from the rally in Cardiff Bay, be spending many hours filling in data sheets and analysing it, as well as preparing exciting activities for the remainder of this term. sens
  • Score: 21

11:53am Thu 10 Jul 14

pwlldu says...

Caerphilly council workers now earn a living wage, what have they got to strike about. They will after its their union that help pays for Labour election campaigns.
Caerphilly council workers now earn a living wage, what have they got to strike about. They will after its their union that help pays for Labour election campaigns. pwlldu
  • Score: 4

11:56am Thu 10 Jul 14

pwlldu says...

Caerphilly council workers now earn a living wage, what have they got to strike about. If they are unhappy about working contions they should contact their local Labour councillor. After its their union that help pays for Labour election campaigns.
Caerphilly council workers now earn a living wage, what have they got to strike about. If they are unhappy about working contions they should contact their local Labour councillor. After its their union that help pays for Labour election campaigns. pwlldu
  • Score: 4

12:04pm Thu 10 Jul 14

KarloMarko says...

Interesting how many of the one handed "texters" furiously chanting "get back to work" are so obviously not in work and are plainly avoiding anything remotely like as hard for themselves! They should vanish up their own second hand androids.
Interesting how many of the one handed "texters" furiously chanting "get back to work" are so obviously not in work and are plainly avoiding anything remotely like as hard for themselves! They should vanish up their own second hand androids. KarloMarko
  • Score: 20

12:10pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Aquarius says...

Apparently, there's one school in Cwmbran (I won't name it) which - very conveniently - has a "training day" tomorrow, so is closed for two days!

Like I said - how convenient.
Apparently, there's one school in Cwmbran (I won't name it) which - very conveniently - has a "training day" tomorrow, so is closed for two days! Like I said - how convenient. Aquarius
  • Score: -5

12:16pm Thu 10 Jul 14

landyman3030 says...

Mervyn James wrote:
My child is in special needs, his teachers and support deserve everything they can get. They support children outside the school too. It is a disgrace with politicians and employers/bankers getting 11% pay rises year on year, attacking people doing a worthwhile job who are held down to 1% when the cost of living has risen near 20%. And they call these politicians educated, obviously economics wasn't an exam they passed, nor basic maths. One fact they could look at when attacking strike turnout, only 23% of the UK voted for THEM !!!
Exactly Mervyn. I live by a large junior school and regularly see teachers arriving before 8am and leaving after 5pm. Many have to take work home with them. People seem to be picking on teachers when the whole point of todays strike action is, as well as highlighting individual issues within different professions, to highlight the general disagreement with the coalition governments general ignoring of the unions who have been trying to get their point across for a long time. There is a general erosion of employment rights across the public and private sectors but the private sector does not have a voice. I'm in the private sector with no pay rise in 4 years, no pension, no health insurance and struggling like everybody else. i have children in childcare today. I support this action today as a voice from everybody to the government saying listen and talk to us as a nation struggling together. Value the professionals in our education and emergency services and the backbone of the public workers like dinner ladies, carers and refuse workers who make it work day in day out. Don't try and drag them down to the private sector level with few or no employee benefits unless you can afford them privately.
Quote from a Welsh AM this morning on Radio Wales " I never asked for a pay rise but if they say i must then i will."
If an independent body can recommend 11% pay rise for the politicians, maybe the same independent body ought to look at other areas.
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: My child is in special needs, his teachers and support deserve everything they can get. They support children outside the school too. It is a disgrace with politicians and employers/bankers getting 11% pay rises year on year, attacking people doing a worthwhile job who are held down to 1% when the cost of living has risen near 20%. And they call these politicians educated, obviously economics wasn't an exam they passed, nor basic maths. One fact they could look at when attacking strike turnout, only 23% of the UK voted for THEM !!![/p][/quote]Exactly Mervyn. I live by a large junior school and regularly see teachers arriving before 8am and leaving after 5pm. Many have to take work home with them. People seem to be picking on teachers when the whole point of todays strike action is, as well as highlighting individual issues within different professions, to highlight the general disagreement with the coalition governments general ignoring of the unions who have been trying to get their point across for a long time. There is a general erosion of employment rights across the public and private sectors but the private sector does not have a voice. I'm in the private sector with no pay rise in 4 years, no pension, no health insurance and struggling like everybody else. i have children in childcare today. I support this action today as a voice from everybody to the government saying listen and talk to us as a nation struggling together. Value the professionals in our education and emergency services and the backbone of the public workers like dinner ladies, carers and refuse workers who make it work day in day out. Don't try and drag them down to the private sector level with few or no employee benefits unless you can afford them privately. Quote from a Welsh AM this morning on Radio Wales " I never asked for a pay rise but if they say i must then i will." If an independent body can recommend 11% pay rise for the politicians, maybe the same independent body ought to look at other areas. landyman3030
  • Score: 22

12:36pm Thu 10 Jul 14

BobEvams2014 says...

Good Job No Kids wrote:
Well done, with 27% of union members voting for strike action you have just made most people in the real world dislike you even more than they already did. Considering the quality of schools and public services in this area, those out on strike should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves.
Yes you are indeed correct and I'm sure our wonderful Prime Minister ( Only 45% of his constituants voted for him - 55% either voted elesewhere or didn't vote at all ) will agree with you !!!
[quote][p][bold]Good Job No Kids[/bold] wrote: Well done, with 27% of union members voting for strike action you have just made most people in the real world dislike you even more than they already did. Considering the quality of schools and public services in this area, those out on strike should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves.[/p][/quote]Yes you are indeed correct and I'm sure our wonderful Prime Minister ( Only 45% of his constituants voted for him - 55% either voted elesewhere or didn't vote at all ) will agree with you !!! BobEvams2014
  • Score: 13

12:43pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Newport87 says...

I agree with firefighters who strike because of their pensions, that is a valid reason.

People aren't forced into their careers, they can choose to leave their job if they are unhappy - or do they know that they would rather keep their job instead of be unemployed?

Teachers and council staff need to get back to work.
I agree with firefighters who strike because of their pensions, that is a valid reason. People aren't forced into their careers, they can choose to leave their job if they are unhappy - or do they know that they would rather keep their job instead of be unemployed? Teachers and council staff need to get back to work. Newport87
  • Score: -17

12:52pm Thu 10 Jul 14

CatWales says...

Many schools are still open and children are being taught as they would be on any other day, as a huge number of teachers are not striking. For those schools that are closed it may be that the essential support staff, such as catering or site teams, are actually on strike and without those people a school cannot open. This strike is not about greed. Many public sector workers are taking home less pay in actual pounds and pence than they were 5 years ago and that's not taking inflation into account. Any strike in hugely inconvenient and sadly hits the general public greater than the Government, but surely these people have a right to stand up for themselves. Let's not use this as yet another excuse for teacher bashing.
Many schools are still open and children are being taught as they would be on any other day, as a huge number of teachers are not striking. For those schools that are closed it may be that the essential support staff, such as catering or site teams, are actually on strike and without those people a school cannot open. This strike is not about greed. Many public sector workers are taking home less pay in actual pounds and pence than they were 5 years ago and that's not taking inflation into account. Any strike in hugely inconvenient and sadly hits the general public greater than the Government, but surely these people have a right to stand up for themselves. Let's not use this as yet another excuse for teacher bashing. CatWales
  • Score: 22

12:57pm Thu 10 Jul 14

KarloMarko says...

I sure that all those complaining about the public sector, dustmen, teachers, etc. being on strike today will be devoting themselves tirelessly to improving public provision and youth and community facilities in their local area throughout the long summer. I mean, they are REALLY REALLY concerned aren't they? It's not as though they are grinding on just because their state childminder is missing for a day...
I sure that all those complaining about the public sector, dustmen, teachers, etc. being on strike today will be devoting themselves tirelessly to improving public provision and youth and community facilities in their local area throughout the long summer. I mean, they are REALLY REALLY concerned aren't they? It's not as though they are grinding on just because their state childminder is missing for a day... KarloMarko
  • Score: 24

1:15pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Walter Devereux says...

sens wrote:
I can assure you that I am not one of those teachers on a coach to the beach- and know of none of my colleagues who is! In fact many of us who are officially on strike and therefore losing a days' pay, will on return from the rally in Cardiff Bay, be spending many hours filling in data sheets and analysing it, as well as preparing exciting activities for the remainder of this term.
I can assure you that I am not one of those teachers on a coach to the beach- and know of none of my colleagues who ARE! In fact many of us who are officially on strike and therefore losing a DAY'S pay, will on return from the rally in Cardiff Bay, be spending many hours filling in data sheets and analysing THEM, as well as preparing exciting activities for the remainder of this term.
[quote][p][bold]sens[/bold] wrote: I can assure you that I am not one of those teachers on a coach to the beach- and know of none of my colleagues who is! In fact many of us who are officially on strike and therefore losing a days' pay, will on return from the rally in Cardiff Bay, be spending many hours filling in data sheets and analysing it, as well as preparing exciting activities for the remainder of this term.[/p][/quote]I can assure you that I am not one of those teachers on a coach to the beach- and know of none of my colleagues who [b]ARE[/b]! In fact many of us who are officially on strike and therefore losing a [b]DAY'S[/b] pay, will on return from the rally in Cardiff Bay, be spending many hours filling in data sheets and analysing [b]THEM[/b], as well as preparing exciting activities for the remainder of this term. Walter Devereux
  • Score: 0

1:38pm Thu 10 Jul 14

westender says...

Good Job No Kids wrote:
Well done, with 27% of union members voting for strike action you have just made most people in the real world dislike you even more than they already did.

Considering the quality of schools and public services in this area, those out on strike should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves.
I wonder if all those who post get back to work messages are shift workers, possibly on an afternoon turn? or are they pensioners, or possibly on benefits? if the latter is the case then think on this, those pensions and benefits were won by unions and proper Labour governments, if the former is the case then I am pleased for you , in a job where you are so obviously very happy with your pay and conditions, must be marvellous.
My wages in four years have increased by two per cent, the cost of living has gone up by governments own figures by twenty per cent
To those drawing attention to the voting figures just have a look at the figures that gave us a coalition mess of a government.
Yes I am on strike today , no I cannot afford it BUT I still support it whole heartedly for those coming behind me
[quote][p][bold]Good Job No Kids[/bold] wrote: Well done, with 27% of union members voting for strike action you have just made most people in the real world dislike you even more than they already did. Considering the quality of schools and public services in this area, those out on strike should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves.[/p][/quote]I wonder if all those who post get back to work messages are shift workers, possibly on an afternoon turn? or are they pensioners, or possibly on benefits? if the latter is the case then think on this, those pensions and benefits were won by unions and proper Labour governments, if the former is the case then I am pleased for you , in a job where you are so obviously very happy with your pay and conditions, must be marvellous. My wages in four years have increased by two per cent, the cost of living has gone up by governments own figures by twenty per cent To those drawing attention to the voting figures just have a look at the figures that gave us a coalition mess of a government. Yes I am on strike today , no I cannot afford it BUT I still support it whole heartedly for those coming behind me westender
  • Score: 8

2:04pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Not-Happy! says...

@Newport87..Agreed!!
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@westender... really!.. thanks for your measured response!.. don't belittle anyone's opinion, regardless of their profession/status!, you probably chose the easy career with no performance measured pay structure, complete with lots of free time!...oh, and a fantastic pension ....Opps!!, poor you, get in the real world..

If you can't afford it, don't strike! you've cost me money today for child care..so we've both lost out!! difference is, you chose to lose money, i didn't!!
GET BACK TO WORK!!!
@Newport87..Agreed!! !. @westender... really!.. thanks for your measured response!.. don't belittle anyone's opinion, regardless of their profession/status!, you probably chose the easy career with no performance measured pay structure, complete with lots of free time!...oh, and a fantastic pension ....Opps!!, poor you, get in the real world.. If you can't afford it, don't strike! you've cost me money today for child care..so we've both lost out!! difference is, you chose to lose money, i didn't!! GET BACK TO WORK!!! Not-Happy!
  • Score: -16

3:18pm Thu 10 Jul 14

hamiltonman85 says...

Your all moaning about teachers because you've experienced one single day of inconveniece. Petty, horrible people! Remind me to redicule you when your wages are falling behind inflation at a rate of 2% a year. Why do these whingers even exists?
Your all moaning about teachers because you've experienced one single day of inconveniece. Petty, horrible people! Remind me to redicule you when your wages are falling behind inflation at a rate of 2% a year. Why do these whingers even exists? hamiltonman85
  • Score: 6

3:20pm Thu 10 Jul 14

worriedresident says...

Not-Happy! wrote:
@Newport87..Agreed!!

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@westender... really!.. thanks for your measured response!.. don't belittle anyone's opinion, regardless of their profession/status!, you probably chose the easy career with no performance measured pay structure, complete with lots of free time!...oh, and a fantastic pension ....Opps!!, poor you, get in the real world..

If you can't afford it, don't strike! you've cost me money today for child care..so we've both lost out!! difference is, you chose to lose money, i didn't!!
GET BACK TO WORK!!!
Good i'm glad you had to fork out childcare. Tough luck. It just goes to show what a valid job teachers have and why it should be treated with some respect.
I used to try and reason with private sector workers and say that I too would support them with whatever action they chose to take. I firmly believed that the workers should unite. We don't want jobs to go to the person who hangs their heads and takes whatever is given to them. No matter where you work private/public someone will do your job for worse conditions that you.

However, all i'v heard all day from checkout girls and factory workers is whinging about how hard they have it with a 'everyone deserves the right to fair and equal pay unless they earn more than me' attitude.

The simple fact is if many private sectors workers were off work for a day, even a week, no one one would notice, no one would care and no one would be inconvenienced or out of pocket.

So Not-Happy you also chose your career and if the grass is o so greener on the other side go do it. Simple. If not shut it and GET BACK TO WORK!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Not-Happy![/bold] wrote: @Newport87..Agreed!! !. @westender... really!.. thanks for your measured response!.. don't belittle anyone's opinion, regardless of their profession/status!, you probably chose the easy career with no performance measured pay structure, complete with lots of free time!...oh, and a fantastic pension ....Opps!!, poor you, get in the real world.. If you can't afford it, don't strike! you've cost me money today for child care..so we've both lost out!! difference is, you chose to lose money, i didn't!! GET BACK TO WORK!!![/p][/quote]Good i'm glad you had to fork out childcare. Tough luck. It just goes to show what a valid job teachers have and why it should be treated with some respect. I used to try and reason with private sector workers and say that I too would support them with whatever action they chose to take. I firmly believed that the workers should unite. We don't want jobs to go to the person who hangs their heads and takes whatever is given to them. No matter where you work private/public someone will do your job for worse conditions that you. However, all i'v heard all day from checkout girls and factory workers is whinging about how hard they have it with a 'everyone deserves the right to fair and equal pay unless they earn more than me' attitude. The simple fact is if many private sectors workers were off work for a day, even a week, no one one would notice, no one would care and no one would be inconvenienced or out of pocket. So Not-Happy you also chose your career and if the grass is o so greener on the other side go do it. Simple. If not shut it and GET BACK TO WORK!!!! worriedresident
  • Score: 16

3:42pm Thu 10 Jul 14

b3talover says...

Newport87 wrote:
I agree with firefighters who strike because of their pensions, that is a valid reason.

People aren't forced into their careers, they can choose to leave their job if they are unhappy - or do they know that they would rather keep their job instead of be unemployed?

Teachers and council staff need to get back to work.
And when all of the teachers leave the profession because they are unhappy, who will teach your children? Will you take time off work to home school them? Would you trust your children with an uneducated individual who fancies having a go at teaching because it can't be that hard? Or would you prefer a highly trained individual that is happy in their job and teaches your children to a very high standard. If you want a highly educated professional to teach your children, then you have to pay them a decent salary. If not, educate your children at home, in your own time. I swear some people just look at a school and think "free state childcare"
[quote][p][bold]Newport87[/bold] wrote: I agree with firefighters who strike because of their pensions, that is a valid reason. People aren't forced into their careers, they can choose to leave their job if they are unhappy - or do they know that they would rather keep their job instead of be unemployed? Teachers and council staff need to get back to work.[/p][/quote]And when all of the teachers leave the profession because they are unhappy, who will teach your children? Will you take time off work to home school them? Would you trust your children with an uneducated individual who fancies having a go at teaching because it can't be that hard? Or would you prefer a highly trained individual that is happy in their job and teaches your children to a very high standard. If you want a highly educated professional to teach your children, then you have to pay them a decent salary. If not, educate your children at home, in your own time. I swear some people just look at a school and think "free state childcare" b3talover
  • Score: 21

3:47pm Thu 10 Jul 14

worriedresident says...

b3talover wrote:
Newport87 wrote:
I agree with firefighters who strike because of their pensions, that is a valid reason.

People aren't forced into their careers, they can choose to leave their job if they are unhappy - or do they know that they would rather keep their job instead of be unemployed?

Teachers and council staff need to get back to work.
And when all of the teachers leave the profession because they are unhappy, who will teach your children? Will you take time off work to home school them? Would you trust your children with an uneducated individual who fancies having a go at teaching because it can't be that hard? Or would you prefer a highly trained individual that is happy in their job and teaches your children to a very high standard. If you want a highly educated professional to teach your children, then you have to pay them a decent salary. If not, educate your children at home, in your own time. I swear some people just look at a school and think "free state childcare"
They probably don't care. They are the ones who will encourage their children to not pay any attention at school because 'I didn't and i'm fine'. It's all about the free childcare.
Their children will follow them to the factories or the dole office so if the school is taught by uneducated idiots or people who can barely speak English they don't care.
[quote][p][bold]b3talover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Newport87[/bold] wrote: I agree with firefighters who strike because of their pensions, that is a valid reason. People aren't forced into their careers, they can choose to leave their job if they are unhappy - or do they know that they would rather keep their job instead of be unemployed? Teachers and council staff need to get back to work.[/p][/quote]And when all of the teachers leave the profession because they are unhappy, who will teach your children? Will you take time off work to home school them? Would you trust your children with an uneducated individual who fancies having a go at teaching because it can't be that hard? Or would you prefer a highly trained individual that is happy in their job and teaches your children to a very high standard. If you want a highly educated professional to teach your children, then you have to pay them a decent salary. If not, educate your children at home, in your own time. I swear some people just look at a school and think "free state childcare"[/p][/quote]They probably don't care. They are the ones who will encourage their children to not pay any attention at school because 'I didn't and i'm fine'. It's all about the free childcare. Their children will follow them to the factories or the dole office so if the school is taught by uneducated idiots or people who can barely speak English they don't care. worriedresident
  • Score: 11

4:19pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Not-Happy! says...

@worriedresident - you really are grumpy today?.. re-read what you've written under my quote!.. you've said some silly things haven't you!?.

I'm just voicing an opinion, where i can assure you I'm not alone, ....ok, further to what I've already said, there should be a balance; Firefighters, front line police and nurses/medical staff should all be ring-fenced and be able to retire with a full pension early, because they've **** well earned it!!.. not hidden in teaching! biding their time until retirement...

GET BACK TO WORK!!!!
@worriedresident - you really are grumpy today?.. re-read what you've written under my quote!.. you've said some silly things haven't you!?. I'm just voicing an opinion, where i can assure you I'm not alone, ....ok, further to what I've already said, there should be a balance; Firefighters, front line police and nurses/medical staff should all be ring-fenced and be able to retire with a full pension early, because they've **** well earned it!!.. not hidden in teaching! biding their time until retirement... GET BACK TO WORK!!!! Not-Happy!
  • Score: -19

4:41pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Angeleleven says...

Teachers are such an easy target "long holidays" work half a day " etc all the well reheresed statements we hear every time there is a mention of pay. HOWEVER just wondered if anyone making those comments actually had REAL first hand experence of what it is like to be a teacher? how hard they work and what the really do all day ? Yes there are probably some lazy teachers but just as there are probably lazy people in every single job and occupation in Britain. In the most they are dedicated and hard working. This strike isnt just about now its about the future, our grandchildrens education and our children and grandchildren who want to be teachers. I have worked since I was 16. 20 years in finance 10 years running my own business and the last 10 years in education (primary and High school.) So I DO have a fair view of the different sectors of employment. The last 10 years have been more than an eye opener believe me. So before any one makes a comment, try volunteering at you local school for a week or be brave and do a month then please feel free to make all the informed, educated and experinced based comments you want.
Teachers are such an easy target "long holidays" work half a day " etc all the well reheresed statements we hear every time there is a mention of pay. HOWEVER just wondered if anyone making those comments actually had REAL first hand experence of what it is like to be a teacher? how hard they work and what the really do all day ? Yes there are probably some lazy teachers but just as there are probably lazy people in every single job and occupation in Britain. In the most they are dedicated and hard working. This strike isnt just about now its about the future, our grandchildrens education and our children and grandchildren who want to be teachers. I have worked since I was 16. 20 years in finance 10 years running my own business and the last 10 years in education (primary and High school.) So I DO have a fair view of the different sectors of employment. The last 10 years have been more than an eye opener believe me. So before any one makes a comment, try volunteering at you local school for a week or be brave and do a month then please feel free to make all the informed, educated and experinced based comments you want. Angeleleven
  • Score: 10

4:42pm Thu 10 Jul 14

GogExile says...

worriedresident wrote:
b3talover wrote:
Newport87 wrote:
I agree with firefighters who strike because of their pensions, that is a valid reason.

People aren't forced into their careers, they can choose to leave their job if they are unhappy - or do they know that they would rather keep their job instead of be unemployed?

Teachers and council staff need to get back to work.
And when all of the teachers leave the profession because they are unhappy, who will teach your children? Will you take time off work to home school them? Would you trust your children with an uneducated individual who fancies having a go at teaching because it can't be that hard? Or would you prefer a highly trained individual that is happy in their job and teaches your children to a very high standard. If you want a highly educated professional to teach your children, then you have to pay them a decent salary. If not, educate your children at home, in your own time. I swear some people just look at a school and think "free state childcare"
They probably don't care. They are the ones who will encourage their children to not pay any attention at school because 'I didn't and i'm fine'. It's all about the free childcare.
Their children will follow them to the factories or the dole office so if the school is taught by uneducated idiots or people who can barely speak English they don't care.
Factories or the dole? You utterly arrogant snob. You are aware that it's the likes of factories that actually bring money INTO the country I presume. I'm well educated to below degree level with grade A 'A' levels and grade 'A' Scottish Highers (I've travelled a bit) attained in night school. Have you any idea of the range of opportunities and complexities in manufacturing? I work in a factory and am physically and mentally challenged every shift. Presumably, you don't drive cars or use any electrical items because you can't trust the dullards who made them? The electronic device you posted your distasteful comment with was made in a factory using all kinds of advanced technology by people with phenomenal work ethics.
[quote][p][bold]worriedresident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]b3talover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Newport87[/bold] wrote: I agree with firefighters who strike because of their pensions, that is a valid reason. People aren't forced into their careers, they can choose to leave their job if they are unhappy - or do they know that they would rather keep their job instead of be unemployed? Teachers and council staff need to get back to work.[/p][/quote]And when all of the teachers leave the profession because they are unhappy, who will teach your children? Will you take time off work to home school them? Would you trust your children with an uneducated individual who fancies having a go at teaching because it can't be that hard? Or would you prefer a highly trained individual that is happy in their job and teaches your children to a very high standard. If you want a highly educated professional to teach your children, then you have to pay them a decent salary. If not, educate your children at home, in your own time. I swear some people just look at a school and think "free state childcare"[/p][/quote]They probably don't care. They are the ones who will encourage their children to not pay any attention at school because 'I didn't and i'm fine'. It's all about the free childcare. Their children will follow them to the factories or the dole office so if the school is taught by uneducated idiots or people who can barely speak English they don't care.[/p][/quote]Factories or the dole? You utterly arrogant snob. You are aware that it's the likes of factories that actually bring money INTO the country I presume. I'm well educated to below degree level with grade A 'A' levels and grade 'A' Scottish Highers (I've travelled a bit) attained in night school. Have you any idea of the range of opportunities and complexities in manufacturing? I work in a factory and am physically and mentally challenged every shift. Presumably, you don't drive cars or use any electrical items because you can't trust the dullards who made them? The electronic device you posted your distasteful comment with was made in a factory using all kinds of advanced technology by people with phenomenal work ethics. GogExile
  • Score: 5

4:45pm Thu 10 Jul 14

KarloMarko says...

Is there any wonder so many kids reject or avoid education or any later form of academic engagement when their lame brained parents put so little premium on it, and of the work those who work in the sector. "Hiding in teaching" (sic). The clowns are really out today. What you sow, you (or your deeply unfortunate kids) will reap.
Is there any wonder so many kids reject or avoid education or any later form of academic engagement when their lame brained parents put so little premium on it, and of the work those who work in the sector. "Hiding in teaching" (sic). The clowns are really out today. What you sow, you (or your deeply unfortunate kids) will reap. KarloMarko
  • Score: 14

4:46pm Thu 10 Jul 14

endthelies says...

Angeleleven wrote:
Teachers are such an easy target "long holidays" work half a day " etc all the well reheresed statements we hear every time there is a mention of pay. HOWEVER just wondered if anyone making those comments actually had REAL first hand experence of what it is like to be a teacher? how hard they work and what the really do all day ? Yes there are probably some lazy teachers but just as there are probably lazy people in every single job and occupation in Britain. In the most they are dedicated and hard working. This strike isnt just about now its about the future, our grandchildrens education and our children and grandchildren who want to be teachers. I have worked since I was 16. 20 years in finance 10 years running my own business and the last 10 years in education (primary and High school.) So I DO have a fair view of the different sectors of employment. The last 10 years have been more than an eye opener believe me. So before any one makes a comment, try volunteering at you local school for a week or be brave and do a month then please feel free to make all the informed, educated and experinced based comments you want.
Well said and all very true. Good luck to all those on strike I say.
[quote][p][bold]Angeleleven[/bold] wrote: Teachers are such an easy target "long holidays" work half a day " etc all the well reheresed statements we hear every time there is a mention of pay. HOWEVER just wondered if anyone making those comments actually had REAL first hand experence of what it is like to be a teacher? how hard they work and what the really do all day ? Yes there are probably some lazy teachers but just as there are probably lazy people in every single job and occupation in Britain. In the most they are dedicated and hard working. This strike isnt just about now its about the future, our grandchildrens education and our children and grandchildren who want to be teachers. I have worked since I was 16. 20 years in finance 10 years running my own business and the last 10 years in education (primary and High school.) So I DO have a fair view of the different sectors of employment. The last 10 years have been more than an eye opener believe me. So before any one makes a comment, try volunteering at you local school for a week or be brave and do a month then please feel free to make all the informed, educated and experinced based comments you want.[/p][/quote]Well said and all very true. Good luck to all those on strike I say. endthelies
  • Score: 19

4:55pm Thu 10 Jul 14

endthelies says...

And to all those who say 'get back to work' well, they will be. And they'll be looking after the welfare and education of your child, Tending your relatives graves, caring and providing for your elderly relatives, emptying your bins and a million and one other jobs that are covered by the public sector. You can all go to work comfortable in the knowledge that your children are well cared for. Pity that for one day, you don't want them at home, or that you may actually have to pay someone to look after them when you usually get it free , but there you go. Your life will be back to normal tomorrow.
And to all those who say 'get back to work' well, they will be. And they'll be looking after the welfare and education of your child, Tending your relatives graves, caring and providing for your elderly relatives, emptying your bins and a million and one other jobs that are covered by the public sector. You can all go to work comfortable in the knowledge that your children are well cared for. Pity that for one day, you don't want them at home, or that you may actually have to pay someone to look after them when you usually get it free , but there you go. Your life will be back to normal tomorrow. endthelies
  • Score: 36

5:29pm Thu 10 Jul 14

letsgobarbie says...

Britain's workers today are suffering the most protracted squeeze on their incomes since the long depression of the 1870s year after year we are seeing falling falling wages. However despite Labours National message of improving things there are areas on a local level where Labour councillors are directly to Blame for falling wages, Labour councillors out for their own glorification are actually doing more harm than good!!
Yes you for one Mr Brooks. And Union reps who were once Labour councillors should also consider which side of the fence they are on! And what’s best for the community, like fair paid jobs and youth training or councillor subsidised trips to Germany ( Bruchsal!!)

I did not strike even though my heart says I should have.
And I wont be voting Labour locally even though I hope Ed Milliband wins the next election.
Local Torfaen councillors hang your heads in shame because your not true to the roots you say you support and your not able to deliver in your own backyard.

Good Luck to the Strikers,

.
Britain's workers today are suffering the most protracted squeeze on their incomes since the long depression of the 1870s year after year we are seeing falling falling wages. However despite Labours National message of improving things there are areas on a local level where Labour councillors are directly to Blame for falling wages, Labour councillors out for their own glorification are actually doing more harm than good!! Yes you for one Mr Brooks. And Union reps who were once Labour councillors should also consider which side of the fence they are on! And what’s best for the community, like fair paid jobs and youth training or councillor subsidised trips to Germany ( Bruchsal!!) I did not strike even though my heart says I should have. And I wont be voting Labour locally even though I hope Ed Milliband wins the next election. Local Torfaen councillors hang your heads in shame because your not true to the roots you say you support and your not able to deliver in your own backyard. Good Luck to the Strikers, . letsgobarbie
  • Score: 36

5:31pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Not-Happy! says...

:-).. nice to see a healthy debate, without any stereotyping or pigeonholing!! .. not sure you teachers out there have noticed a trend, no one is complaining about firefighter striking or other public services???.. strange?.. its a swathe of popular opinion, you've had it easy for too long!..

@endofthelies.. people in the real world have to work! they'd love to be at home with their kids, unfortunately we've got to keep our holidays for the 13 weeks you have off a year, not including your inset days...

You have lost public sympathy!!! GET BACK TO WORK!!!!!
:-).. nice to see a healthy debate, without any stereotyping or pigeonholing!! .. not sure you teachers out there have noticed a trend, no one is complaining about firefighter striking or other public services???.. strange?.. its a swathe of popular opinion, you've had it easy for too long!.. @endofthelies.. people in the real world have to work! they'd love to be at home with their kids, unfortunately we've got to keep our holidays for the 13 weeks you have off a year, not including your inset days... You have lost public sympathy!!! GET BACK TO WORK!!!!! Not-Happy!
  • Score: -31

5:46pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Angeleleven says...

One should walk in another mans shoes before he is qualified to commment.
One should walk in another mans shoes before he is qualified to commment. Angeleleven
  • Score: 8

5:48pm Thu 10 Jul 14

GogExile says...

I'm actually in support of everyone who's striking today, it's just certain crass comments that annoy me, like the individual who disparaged factories. The other one is referencing 'free childcare' I'm no economist but I'm pretty sure the income tax, National Insurance and Council Tax that people are paying hardly makes it 'free'
I'm actually in support of everyone who's striking today, it's just certain crass comments that annoy me, like the individual who disparaged factories. The other one is referencing 'free childcare' I'm no economist but I'm pretty sure the income tax, National Insurance and Council Tax that people are paying hardly makes it 'free' GogExile
  • Score: 5

6:13pm Thu 10 Jul 14

scraptheWAG says...

b3talover wrote:
Newport87 wrote:
I agree with firefighters who strike because of their pensions, that is a valid reason.

People aren't forced into their careers, they can choose to leave their job if they are unhappy - or do they know that they would rather keep their job instead of be unemployed?

Teachers and council staff need to get back to work.
And when all of the teachers leave the profession because they are unhappy, who will teach your children? Will you take time off work to home school them? Would you trust your children with an uneducated individual who fancies having a go at teaching because it can't be that hard? Or would you prefer a highly trained individual that is happy in their job and teaches your children to a very high standard. If you want a highly educated professional to teach your children, then you have to pay them a decent salary. If not, educate your children at home, in your own time. I swear some people just look at a school and think "free state childcare"
no all the teachers will not leave most would not get any other job also there are newly qualified teachers literally qued up around the block to take their jobs
[quote][p][bold]b3talover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Newport87[/bold] wrote: I agree with firefighters who strike because of their pensions, that is a valid reason. People aren't forced into their careers, they can choose to leave their job if they are unhappy - or do they know that they would rather keep their job instead of be unemployed? Teachers and council staff need to get back to work.[/p][/quote]And when all of the teachers leave the profession because they are unhappy, who will teach your children? Will you take time off work to home school them? Would you trust your children with an uneducated individual who fancies having a go at teaching because it can't be that hard? Or would you prefer a highly trained individual that is happy in their job and teaches your children to a very high standard. If you want a highly educated professional to teach your children, then you have to pay them a decent salary. If not, educate your children at home, in your own time. I swear some people just look at a school and think "free state childcare"[/p][/quote]no all the teachers will not leave most would not get any other job also there are newly qualified teachers literally qued up around the block to take their jobs scraptheWAG
  • Score: -27

7:16pm Thu 10 Jul 14

sens says...

Walter Devereux wrote:
sens wrote:
I can assure you that I am not one of those teachers on a coach to the beach- and know of none of my colleagues who is! In fact many of us who are officially on strike and therefore losing a days' pay, will on return from the rally in Cardiff Bay, be spending many hours filling in data sheets and analysing it, as well as preparing exciting activities for the remainder of this term.
I can assure you that I am not one of those teachers on a coach to the beach- and know of none of my colleagues who ARE! In fact many of us who are officially on strike and therefore losing a DAY'S pay, will on return from the rally in Cardiff Bay, be spending many hours filling in data sheets and analysing THEM, as well as preparing exciting activities for the remainder of this term.
Actually Walter I think you will find that "none of my colleagues who is " is absolutely correct as none is the abbreviation of not one and therefore technically correct.
As for the apostrophe in the incorrect place I am horrified to see that I did this and you are of course absolutely correct here.
With reference to the data I will in fact be analysing it!
Glad to know that you read so carefully- you must have had a really good teacher!
[quote][p][bold]Walter Devereux[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sens[/bold] wrote: I can assure you that I am not one of those teachers on a coach to the beach- and know of none of my colleagues who is! In fact many of us who are officially on strike and therefore losing a days' pay, will on return from the rally in Cardiff Bay, be spending many hours filling in data sheets and analysing it, as well as preparing exciting activities for the remainder of this term.[/p][/quote]I can assure you that I am not one of those teachers on a coach to the beach- and know of none of my colleagues who [b]ARE[/b]! In fact many of us who are officially on strike and therefore losing a [b]DAY'S[/b] pay, will on return from the rally in Cardiff Bay, be spending many hours filling in data sheets and analysing [b]THEM[/b], as well as preparing exciting activities for the remainder of this term.[/p][/quote]Actually Walter I think you will find that "none of my colleagues who is " is absolutely correct as none is the abbreviation of not one and therefore technically correct. As for the apostrophe in the incorrect place I am horrified to see that I did this and you are of course absolutely correct here. With reference to the data I will in fact be analysing it! Glad to know that you read so carefully- you must have had a really good teacher! sens
  • Score: -1

7:26pm Thu 10 Jul 14

blackandamber says...

Well as my old bosses used to tell me "If your not happy working here you can always go and work for somebody else ". So I did and never looked back.
Well as my old bosses used to tell me "If your not happy working here you can always go and work for somebody else ". So I did and never looked back. blackandamber
  • Score: -19

7:30pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Katie Re-Registered says...

I don't work in the public sector but I'm actually pleased that the strikers are bringing attention to the ridiculously massive wage gap between the bosses' salaries and the relative pittance given to the rest of us (i.e. the majority of workers). This issue resonates with private sector admin workers too, as the lion's share of the profits of the companies and firms they work for are gobbled up by their managers and directors - they know that the lower they can get away with paying their secretaries, typists and admin assistants the more there will be for them.

There is now actually a far wider gap between the very wealthy and the majority of the population than there was in Victorian times. Low paid public sector workers and private sector workers should unite instead of allowing the right-wing dominated media with their vested interests and their ulterior motives to deliberately drive us apart and turn us against each other so that they can divide and rule.

And there's a gender issue here, too. The overwhelming majority of lowest paid workers (around 67 per cent of lowest paid workers) are women. In many cases, not only are women workers low paid, but they are often earning 15 per cent less than their similarly low paid male colleagues purely because they are female. So often when we hear about equality in the workplace the conversation tends to concentrate on getting more women managers into the board room. However, surely feminism should also be not only about middle class women, but also about working class women and the fact that the essential jobs that women do are still very much taken for granted, undervalued and thus underpaid. Isn't it perverse that a nurse who shoulders the responsibility of providing life-saving care for someone in their direst need, receives barely one per cent of the wages that are afforded to some bankster whose only contribution and workplace role is to take, take, take and never give anything to society?
I don't work in the public sector but I'm actually pleased that the strikers are bringing attention to the ridiculously massive wage gap between the bosses' salaries and the relative pittance given to the rest of us (i.e. the majority of workers). This issue resonates with private sector admin workers too, as the lion's share of the profits of the companies and firms they work for are gobbled up by their managers and directors - they know that the lower they can get away with paying their secretaries, typists and admin assistants the more there will be for them. There is now actually a far wider gap between the very wealthy and the majority of the population than there was in Victorian times. Low paid public sector workers and private sector workers should unite instead of allowing the right-wing dominated media with their vested interests and their ulterior motives to deliberately drive us apart and turn us against each other so that they can divide and rule. And there's a gender issue here, too. The overwhelming majority of lowest paid workers (around 67 per cent of lowest paid workers) are women. In many cases, not only are women workers low paid, but they are often earning 15 per cent less than their similarly low paid male colleagues purely because they are female. So often when we hear about equality in the workplace the conversation tends to concentrate on getting more women managers into the board room. However, surely feminism should also be not only about middle class women, but also about working class women and the fact that the essential jobs that women do are still very much taken for granted, undervalued and thus underpaid. Isn't it perverse that a nurse who shoulders the responsibility of providing life-saving care for someone in their direst need, receives barely one per cent of the wages that are afforded to some bankster whose only contribution and workplace role is to take, take, take and never give anything to society? Katie Re-Registered
  • Score: 1

7:32pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Newport1982 says...

I greatly value the work that our public servants do, including our teachers. A teacher on the maximum of the pay range on the national pay scale (ie. not London) earns £37124 gross per year for working 195 days a year.
I appreciate the views on those who feel that teachers are an easy target for the holidays they get, but I think we have to admit that teachers did pretty well under the years of Labour and the current rate of pay does not represent a bad annual salary. In addition to this many teachers receive additional allowances for specific learning responsibilities.
To suggest that somehow teachers are on the breadline is taking it a little far.
Most teachers work hard, but to be fair we already pay them appropriately. The unions quote that teachers work 60 hours a week, but the reality is very different. I'm sure we do have some teachers who work this level of hours sometimes, but to suggest this is the case for every teacher, every week is just wrong.
Unfortunately the reality is that the majority of people who go into teaching leave school, go to university and then go back to school and are immersed in that environment.
Regrettably they do not appreciate how tough it is in the private sector in a commercial environment. Pay restraint is a bitter pill to swallow but I don't see Mr Milliband coming out in support of the strikes? Labour has already committed to matching the Coalition's spending plans so those expecting to see a change in attitude under a Labour government in 2015 are likely to be bitterly disappointed.
I respect the right to strike but I question whether this action will have any impact at all. I believe it is time for us all to be asking our trade unions to take a more professional approach and negotiate on behalf of their members. This sort of action costs the economy dear, and unfortunately the only people that will feel the effects are those who have to take a day off work to look after their children or pay for alternative childcare. I for one hope that the trade unions will work harder to avoid further strike action.
I greatly value the work that our public servants do, including our teachers. A teacher on the maximum of the pay range on the national pay scale (ie. not London) earns £37124 gross per year for working 195 days a year. I appreciate the views on those who feel that teachers are an easy target for the holidays they get, but I think we have to admit that teachers did pretty well under the years of Labour and the current rate of pay does not represent a bad annual salary. In addition to this many teachers receive additional allowances for specific learning responsibilities. To suggest that somehow teachers are on the breadline is taking it a little far. Most teachers work hard, but to be fair we already pay them appropriately. The unions quote that teachers work 60 hours a week, but the reality is very different. I'm sure we do have some teachers who work this level of hours sometimes, but to suggest this is the case for every teacher, every week is just wrong. Unfortunately the reality is that the majority of people who go into teaching leave school, go to university and then go back to school and are immersed in that environment. Regrettably they do not appreciate how tough it is in the private sector in a commercial environment. Pay restraint is a bitter pill to swallow but I don't see Mr Milliband coming out in support of the strikes? Labour has already committed to matching the Coalition's spending plans so those expecting to see a change in attitude under a Labour government in 2015 are likely to be bitterly disappointed. I respect the right to strike but I question whether this action will have any impact at all. I believe it is time for us all to be asking our trade unions to take a more professional approach and negotiate on behalf of their members. This sort of action costs the economy dear, and unfortunately the only people that will feel the effects are those who have to take a day off work to look after their children or pay for alternative childcare. I for one hope that the trade unions will work harder to avoid further strike action. Newport1982
  • Score: -13

8:00pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Mervyn James says...

Good Job No Kids wrote:
Mervyn James wrote:
My child is in special needs, his teachers and support deserve everything they can get. They support children outside the school too. It is a disgrace with politicians and employers/bankers getting 11% pay rises year on year, attacking people doing a worthwhile job who are held down to 1% when the cost of living has risen near 20%. And they call these politicians educated, obviously economics wasn't an exam they passed, nor basic maths. One fact they could look at when attacking strike turnout, only 23% of the UK voted for THEM !!!
They deserve a competitive rate not "everything they can get".

If someone else including immigrants are prepared to do it for less then their rate is not competitive in a free market.

Considering the holidays and relatively short working day of the average teacher combined with education standards being achieve, championing of teachers will fall on deaf ears.

A vast amount of public sector employees were overpaid and over pensioned for years through labour vote buying tactics, the boot is now on the other foot.
There is an old adage that goes 'If you pay peanuts you only get......." Is not your child worth that investment ? that is the question to answer. As for using migrants, you are joking !! It's a fallacy they enjoy lengthy holidays others don't get, they still have to formulate the next terms formats and everything. Also a lot of teachers run holiday clubs for the kids as well to occupy them when the parents are at work.... My son's tutor took him out to Bristol Zoo out of her own pocket along with 2 other special needs pupils, they deserve more respect. If you think YOU can do better.... I suggest the attitude would exclude you from getting anywhere near a class...
[quote][p][bold]Good Job No Kids[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: My child is in special needs, his teachers and support deserve everything they can get. They support children outside the school too. It is a disgrace with politicians and employers/bankers getting 11% pay rises year on year, attacking people doing a worthwhile job who are held down to 1% when the cost of living has risen near 20%. And they call these politicians educated, obviously economics wasn't an exam they passed, nor basic maths. One fact they could look at when attacking strike turnout, only 23% of the UK voted for THEM !!![/p][/quote]They deserve a competitive rate not "everything they can get". If someone else including immigrants are prepared to do it for less then their rate is not competitive in a free market. Considering the holidays and relatively short working day of the average teacher combined with education standards being achieve, championing of teachers will fall on deaf ears. A vast amount of public sector employees were overpaid and over pensioned for years through labour vote buying tactics, the boot is now on the other foot.[/p][/quote]There is an old adage that goes 'If you pay peanuts you only get......." Is not your child worth that investment ? that is the question to answer. As for using migrants, you are joking !! It's a fallacy they enjoy lengthy holidays others don't get, they still have to formulate the next terms formats and everything. Also a lot of teachers run holiday clubs for the kids as well to occupy them when the parents are at work.... My son's tutor took him out to Bristol Zoo out of her own pocket along with 2 other special needs pupils, they deserve more respect. If you think YOU can do better.... I suggest the attitude would exclude you from getting anywhere near a class... Mervyn James
  • Score: 3

8:13pm Thu 10 Jul 14

KarloMarko says...

"Strikes....Cost the economy dear", compared of what? The activities of the banking and finance "industries" that took this country and indeed the world economy straight over the cliff? The British banking bailout that the NAO puts the cost of at £141bn, as at March 2013. At current prices, the taxpayer is sitting on a loss of £34bn from RBS and Lloyds....And you know what's really changed? Absolutely NOTHING. But we've always got the public sector to kick haven't we... like Pablov's dog we dumbly salivate on command.
"Strikes....Cost the economy dear", compared of what? The activities of the banking and finance "industries" that took this country and indeed the world economy straight over the cliff? The British banking bailout that the NAO puts the cost of at £141bn, as at March 2013. At current prices, the taxpayer is sitting on a loss of £34bn from RBS and Lloyds....And you know what's really changed? Absolutely NOTHING. But we've always got the public sector to kick haven't we... like Pablov's dog we dumbly salivate on command. KarloMarko
  • Score: 5

8:13pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Newport1982 says...

Mervyn James wrote:
Good Job No Kids wrote:
Mervyn James wrote:
My child is in special needs, his teachers and support deserve everything they can get. They support children outside the school too. It is a disgrace with politicians and employers/bankers getting 11% pay rises year on year, attacking people doing a worthwhile job who are held down to 1% when the cost of living has risen near 20%. And they call these politicians educated, obviously economics wasn't an exam they passed, nor basic maths. One fact they could look at when attacking strike turnout, only 23% of the UK voted for THEM !!!
They deserve a competitive rate not "everything they can get".

If someone else including immigrants are prepared to do it for less then their rate is not competitive in a free market.

Considering the holidays and relatively short working day of the average teacher combined with education standards being achieve, championing of teachers will fall on deaf ears.

A vast amount of public sector employees were overpaid and over pensioned for years through labour vote buying tactics, the boot is now on the other foot.
There is an old adage that goes 'If you pay peanuts you only get......." Is not your child worth that investment ? that is the question to answer. As for using migrants, you are joking !! It's a fallacy they enjoy lengthy holidays others don't get, they still have to formulate the next terms formats and everything. Also a lot of teachers run holiday clubs for the kids as well to occupy them when the parents are at work.... My son's tutor took him out to Bristol Zoo out of her own pocket along with 2 other special needs pupils, they deserve more respect. If you think YOU can do better.... I suggest the attitude would exclude you from getting anywhere near a class...
I'm sure this is true but teachers are not paid peanuts. They earn the best part of £40K per year and they get great holidays. They also have the scope for progression and additional allowances. There are parts of the public sector that have had incremental progression frozen, and you have to feel sorry for them. Teachers have been protected from this.
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Good Job No Kids[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: My child is in special needs, his teachers and support deserve everything they can get. They support children outside the school too. It is a disgrace with politicians and employers/bankers getting 11% pay rises year on year, attacking people doing a worthwhile job who are held down to 1% when the cost of living has risen near 20%. And they call these politicians educated, obviously economics wasn't an exam they passed, nor basic maths. One fact they could look at when attacking strike turnout, only 23% of the UK voted for THEM !!![/p][/quote]They deserve a competitive rate not "everything they can get". If someone else including immigrants are prepared to do it for less then their rate is not competitive in a free market. Considering the holidays and relatively short working day of the average teacher combined with education standards being achieve, championing of teachers will fall on deaf ears. A vast amount of public sector employees were overpaid and over pensioned for years through labour vote buying tactics, the boot is now on the other foot.[/p][/quote]There is an old adage that goes 'If you pay peanuts you only get......." Is not your child worth that investment ? that is the question to answer. As for using migrants, you are joking !! It's a fallacy they enjoy lengthy holidays others don't get, they still have to formulate the next terms formats and everything. Also a lot of teachers run holiday clubs for the kids as well to occupy them when the parents are at work.... My son's tutor took him out to Bristol Zoo out of her own pocket along with 2 other special needs pupils, they deserve more respect. If you think YOU can do better.... I suggest the attitude would exclude you from getting anywhere near a class...[/p][/quote]I'm sure this is true but teachers are not paid peanuts. They earn the best part of £40K per year and they get great holidays. They also have the scope for progression and additional allowances. There are parts of the public sector that have had incremental progression frozen, and you have to feel sorry for them. Teachers have been protected from this. Newport1982
  • Score: -6

8:19pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Newport1982 says...

KarloMarko wrote:
"Strikes....Cos
t the economy dear", compared of what? The activities of the banking and finance "industries" that took this country and indeed the world economy straight over the cliff? The British banking bailout that the NAO puts the cost of at £141bn, as at March 2013. At current prices, the taxpayer is sitting on a loss of £34bn from RBS and Lloyds....And you know what's really changed? Absolutely NOTHING. But we've always got the public sector to kick haven't we... like Pablov's dog we dumbly salivate on command.
I don't think anyone is going to defend the actions of bankers or dispute that they got us into the financial position in the first place. The fact however is that we still have a massive financial deficit and the recovery of our economy is extremely fragile. Strike action will only serve to damage our economy. Do you really think that any of the ministers sitting in the House of Commons today on either side of the house have felt the pain of the action today? I seriously doubt it.
[quote][p][bold]KarloMarko[/bold] wrote: "Strikes....Cos t the economy dear", compared of what? The activities of the banking and finance "industries" that took this country and indeed the world economy straight over the cliff? The British banking bailout that the NAO puts the cost of at £141bn, as at March 2013. At current prices, the taxpayer is sitting on a loss of £34bn from RBS and Lloyds....And you know what's really changed? Absolutely NOTHING. But we've always got the public sector to kick haven't we... like Pablov's dog we dumbly salivate on command.[/p][/quote]I don't think anyone is going to defend the actions of bankers or dispute that they got us into the financial position in the first place. The fact however is that we still have a massive financial deficit and the recovery of our economy is extremely fragile. Strike action will only serve to damage our economy. Do you really think that any of the ministers sitting in the House of Commons today on either side of the house have felt the pain of the action today? I seriously doubt it. Newport1982
  • Score: -9

8:44pm Thu 10 Jul 14

siameselady says...

Pleased to see that my two local schools were both open today. Good to see that some teachers put their pupils first!
Pleased to see that my two local schools were both open today. Good to see that some teachers put their pupils first! siameselady
  • Score: -8

8:57pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Dai Rear says...

KarloMarko wrote:
"Strikes....Cos
t the economy dear", compared of what? The activities of the banking and finance "industries" that took this country and indeed the world economy straight over the cliff? The British banking bailout that the NAO puts the cost of at £141bn, as at March 2013. At current prices, the taxpayer is sitting on a loss of £34bn from RBS and Lloyds....And you know what's really changed? Absolutely NOTHING. But we've always got the public sector to kick haven't we... like Pablov's dog we dumbly salivate on command.
They cost dear in terms of their pursuit of the unattainable. People ARE going to have to work much longer to get the same pension as the older and no it's not bankers or war profiteers or kulaks or Jews . You said you were a college boy so you know that. It's an ageing population. And if I was your age and told I'd be 72 before I got a pension, would I strike? . Yep. WouldWould it make a difference? No. No.nceOfcoursenot.rc
annotaffordot "banḱк, tr. kulak, IPA: ( liste-fisted"; kurkuls or "Jews" "War Profiteers"Kulaks"́
к, tr. kulak, IPA: ( listen); "fist", by extension "tight-fisted"; kurkuls I think in another comment you said you'd been to college , so I'm sure you don't believe simplistic nonsense like that. But if I was 28 and told I'd need to work 44 more years to qualify for a liveable pension, would I strike? I'm sure I would, but I'd know it was only a gesture
[quote][p][bold]KarloMarko[/bold] wrote: "Strikes....Cos t the economy dear", compared of what? The activities of the banking and finance "industries" that took this country and indeed the world economy straight over the cliff? The British banking bailout that the NAO puts the cost of at £141bn, as at March 2013. At current prices, the taxpayer is sitting on a loss of £34bn from RBS and Lloyds....And you know what's really changed? Absolutely NOTHING. But we've always got the public sector to kick haven't we... like Pablov's dog we dumbly salivate on command.[/p][/quote]They cost dear in terms of their pursuit of the unattainable. People ARE going to have to work much longer to get the same pension as the older and no it's not bankers or war profiteers or kulaks or Jews . You said you were a college boy so you know that. It's an ageing population. And if I was your age and told I'd be 72 before I got a pension, would I strike? . Yep. WouldWould it make a difference? No. No.nceOfcoursenot.rc annotaffordot "banḱк, tr. kulak, IPA: [kʊˈlak] ( liste-fisted"; kurkuls or "Jews" "War Profiteers"Kulaks"́ к, tr. kulak, IPA: [kʊˈlak] ( listen); "fist", by extension "tight-fisted"; kurkuls I think in another comment you said you'd been to college , so I'm sure you don't believe simplistic nonsense like that. But if I was 28 and told I'd need to work 44 more years to qualify for a liveable pension, would I strike? I'm sure I would, but I'd know it was only a gesture Dai Rear
  • Score: -19

9:06pm Thu 10 Jul 14

KarloMarko says...

Well, that's some kind of record for total incoherence even from you Dai! Is it the laxative or some other medication? Anyway, keep taking them. Full moon again tonight? No barking.
Well, that's some kind of record for total incoherence even from you Dai! Is it the laxative or some other medication? Anyway, keep taking them. Full moon again tonight? No barking. KarloMarko
  • Score: 7

9:51pm Thu 10 Jul 14

b3talover says...

GogExile wrote:
I'm actually in support of everyone who's striking today, it's just certain crass comments that annoy me, like the individual who disparaged factories. The other one is referencing 'free childcare' I'm no economist but I'm pretty sure the income tax, National Insurance and Council Tax that people are paying hardly makes it 'free'
Teachers pay the same income tax, national insurance and council tax as the rest of society. They also have children. I don't believe my statements showed any lack of intelligence or sensitivity.
[quote][p][bold]GogExile[/bold] wrote: I'm actually in support of everyone who's striking today, it's just certain crass comments that annoy me, like the individual who disparaged factories. The other one is referencing 'free childcare' I'm no economist but I'm pretty sure the income tax, National Insurance and Council Tax that people are paying hardly makes it 'free'[/p][/quote]Teachers pay the same income tax, national insurance and council tax as the rest of society. They also have children. I don't believe my statements showed any lack of intelligence or sensitivity. b3talover
  • Score: 11

9:56pm Thu 10 Jul 14

b3talover says...

KarloMarko wrote:
"Strikes....Cos
t the economy dear", compared of what? The activities of the banking and finance "industries" that took this country and indeed the world economy straight over the cliff? The British banking bailout that the NAO puts the cost of at £141bn, as at March 2013. At current prices, the taxpayer is sitting on a loss of £34bn from RBS and Lloyds....And you know what's really changed? Absolutely NOTHING. But we've always got the public sector to kick haven't we... like Pablov's dog we dumbly salivate on command.
I have a suspicion I know who you are, because I largely agree with everything you say. LJ perhaps?
[quote][p][bold]KarloMarko[/bold] wrote: "Strikes....Cos t the economy dear", compared of what? The activities of the banking and finance "industries" that took this country and indeed the world economy straight over the cliff? The British banking bailout that the NAO puts the cost of at £141bn, as at March 2013. At current prices, the taxpayer is sitting on a loss of £34bn from RBS and Lloyds....And you know what's really changed? Absolutely NOTHING. But we've always got the public sector to kick haven't we... like Pablov's dog we dumbly salivate on command.[/p][/quote]I have a suspicion I know who you are, because I largely agree with everything you say. LJ perhaps? b3talover
  • Score: 10

9:57pm Thu 10 Jul 14

endthelies says...

Not-Happy! wrote:
:-).. nice to see a healthy debate, without any stereotyping or pigeonholing!! .. not sure you teachers out there have noticed a trend, no one is complaining about firefighter striking or other public services???.. strange?.. its a swathe of popular opinion, you've had it easy for too long!..

@endofthelies.. people in the real world have to work! they'd love to be at home with their kids, unfortunately we've got to keep our holidays for the 13 weeks you have off a year, not including your inset days...

You have lost public sympathy!!! GET BACK TO WORK!!!!!
I have never been a teacher. I had two children who had to be 'looked after' in the summer holidays before I worked in the public sector. I never minded though because I chose to have them and they were my responsibility, not the schools. I was however a nursery nurse, and saw how much responsibility and work that teachers have. I DID NOT get paid for school holidays. Do you not think that your children also need a rest from education. Why do you think we have half terms etc. I can assure you its not for the adults who work in the school, its for the children and if you worked there you would see how tired children get by the end of a half term. They need a break because they cannot do a 'full time job' if you'd like to call it that because, for them, that's what it is. I know people have to work, unfortunately, schools are not the unpaid babysitters that you seem to think you should have. They are educators. The children are actually YOURS.
[quote][p][bold]Not-Happy![/bold] wrote: :-).. nice to see a healthy debate, without any stereotyping or pigeonholing!! .. not sure you teachers out there have noticed a trend, no one is complaining about firefighter striking or other public services???.. strange?.. its a swathe of popular opinion, you've had it easy for too long!.. @endofthelies.. people in the real world have to work! they'd love to be at home with their kids, unfortunately we've got to keep our holidays for the 13 weeks you have off a year, not including your inset days... You have lost public sympathy!!! GET BACK TO WORK!!!!![/p][/quote]I have never been a teacher. I had two children who had to be 'looked after' in the summer holidays before I worked in the public sector. I never minded though because I chose to have them and they were my responsibility, not the schools. I was however a nursery nurse, and saw how much responsibility and work that teachers have. I DID NOT get paid for school holidays. Do you not think that your children also need a rest from education. Why do you think we have half terms etc. I can assure you its not for the adults who work in the school, its for the children and if you worked there you would see how tired children get by the end of a half term. They need a break because they cannot do a 'full time job' if you'd like to call it that because, for them, that's what it is. I know people have to work, unfortunately, schools are not the unpaid babysitters that you seem to think you should have. They are educators. The children are actually YOURS. endthelies
  • Score: 8

10:19pm Thu 10 Jul 14

endthelies says...

GogExile wrote:
I'm actually in support of everyone who's striking today, it's just certain crass comments that annoy me, like the individual who disparaged factories. The other one is referencing 'free childcare' I'm no economist but I'm pretty sure the income tax, National Insurance and Council Tax that people are paying hardly makes it 'free'
I understand what you're saying Gog and I totally agree with you on the comments about factories. It just seems to me that some folk are only worried about who will look after their children for the day and feel they have the right to disparage the teaching profession because that's not going to happen whilst the council workers (not just teachers) fight for more pay. Many council workers are paid minimum, and below minimum wage. I was one of them. I got paid minimum wage, but it was paid pro rata as I did not get paid for 9 weeks of the year, so effectively, I was paid less than 10 months wages Now, I loved my job working with special needs, absolutely loved it, and that's all that kept me there. I can assure you, it wasn't for the pay. People should not criticize until they know the facts and if they do, they have to be prepared to take some criticism back!
[quote][p][bold]GogExile[/bold] wrote: I'm actually in support of everyone who's striking today, it's just certain crass comments that annoy me, like the individual who disparaged factories. The other one is referencing 'free childcare' I'm no economist but I'm pretty sure the income tax, National Insurance and Council Tax that people are paying hardly makes it 'free'[/p][/quote]I understand what you're saying Gog and I totally agree with you on the comments about factories. It just seems to me that some folk are only worried about who will look after their children for the day and feel they have the right to disparage the teaching profession because that's not going to happen whilst the council workers (not just teachers) fight for more pay. Many council workers are paid minimum, and below minimum wage. I was one of them. I got paid minimum wage, but it was paid pro rata as I did not get paid for 9 weeks of the year, so effectively, I was paid less than 10 months wages Now, I loved my job working with special needs, absolutely loved it, and that's all that kept me there. I can assure you, it wasn't for the pay. People should not criticize until they know the facts and if they do, they have to be prepared to take some criticism back! endthelies
  • Score: 4

11:54pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Tak523SC says...

Today I saw something I never thought I ever would in my life. These strikers taking their small children with them onto picket lines. I am absolutely disgusted. They immediately lost my support. The things they do to make it look like they have more support than they do. As I said, total disgust in them. They may have their views, and that's fine, but taking children onto a picket line is awful.
Today I saw something I never thought I ever would in my life. These strikers taking their small children with them onto picket lines. I am absolutely disgusted. They immediately lost my support. The things they do to make it look like they have more support than they do. As I said, total disgust in them. They may have their views, and that's fine, but taking children onto a picket line is awful. Tak523SC
  • Score: -9

2:53am Fri 11 Jul 14

Dai Rear says...

KarloMarko wrote:
Well, that's some kind of record for total incoherence even from you Dai! Is it the laxative or some other medication? Anyway, keep taking them. Full moon again tonight? No barking.
No. The computer went haywire and it was the best I could do. Blaming Jews, War Profiteers, Bankers, Kulaks for the fact that people are living longer and will not be able to retire with good pensions at 60 and 65 respectively (hey but that's not discriminatory. Didn't the ECHR say so, so it must be right) is silly, for someone like you who says they're a college boy and therefore does know better.
The facile insult stuff from a college boy like you is, again, unworthy and silly. Strike. Vote for Mr Miliband's "solutions"-rationin
g, the Rent Acts, no referendum for my stupid electorate if you will. But you know it'll make no difference. The only way you'd get a good pension at 65 is to volunteer to be euthanized at 67. You're not, and nor would I.
[quote][p][bold]KarloMarko[/bold] wrote: Well, that's some kind of record for total incoherence even from you Dai! Is it the laxative or some other medication? Anyway, keep taking them. Full moon again tonight? No barking.[/p][/quote]No. The computer went haywire and it was the best I could do. Blaming Jews, War Profiteers, Bankers, Kulaks for the fact that people are living longer and will not be able to retire with good pensions at 60 and 65 respectively (hey but that's not discriminatory. Didn't the ECHR say so, so it must be right) is silly, for someone like you who says they're a college boy and therefore does know better. The facile insult stuff from a college boy like you is, again, unworthy and silly. Strike. Vote for Mr Miliband's "solutions"-rationin g, the Rent Acts, no referendum for my stupid electorate if you will. But you know it'll make no difference. The only way you'd get a good pension at 65 is to volunteer to be euthanized at 67. You're not, and nor would I. Dai Rear
  • Score: -26

8:42am Fri 11 Jul 14

Dai Rear says...

"A GWENT council will pay around £700,000 in salaries to three suspended senior officers, it has been revealed"
And still the public sector gravy train grinds relentlessly on
"A GWENT council will pay around £700,000 in salaries to three suspended senior officers, it has been revealed" And still the public sector gravy train grinds relentlessly on Dai Rear
  • Score: -24

7:39pm Sat 12 Jul 14

letsgobarbie says...

For anybody worried about the cuts, Don’t! Its all going to be all right because under Tory leadership those up the top of the ladder will be handsomely rewarded and in time their wise investing and willingness to help the country will all trickle down to us workingpoor at the bottom of the ladder.
There now you feel better don’t you?

Check out the facts of trickle down economics:


http://youtu.be/3U1D
_T-tSTw
For anybody worried about the cuts, Don’t! Its all going to be all right because under Tory leadership those up the top of the ladder will be handsomely rewarded and in time their wise investing and willingness to help the country will all trickle down to us workingpoor at the bottom of the ladder. There now you feel better don’t you? Check out the facts of trickle down economics: http://youtu.be/3U1D _T-tSTw letsgobarbie
  • Score: 24

3:46am Sun 13 Jul 14

Dai Rear says...

letsgobarbie wrote:
For anybody worried about the cuts, Don’t! Its all going to be all right because under Tory leadership those up the top of the ladder will be handsomely rewarded and in time their wise investing and willingness to help the country will all trickle down to us workingpoor at the bottom of the ladder.
There now you feel better don’t you?

Check out the facts of trickle down economics:


http://youtu.be/3U1D

_T-tSTw
Well you're lucky then because Messrs Miliband and Balls will no doubt be back with us next year demonstrating the skills with which they guided us into the slow motion train crash 1997-2010. Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it
[quote][p][bold]letsgobarbie[/bold] wrote: For anybody worried about the cuts, Don’t! Its all going to be all right because under Tory leadership those up the top of the ladder will be handsomely rewarded and in time their wise investing and willingness to help the country will all trickle down to us workingpoor at the bottom of the ladder. There now you feel better don’t you? Check out the facts of trickle down economics: http://youtu.be/3U1D _T-tSTw[/p][/quote]Well you're lucky then because Messrs Miliband and Balls will no doubt be back with us next year demonstrating the skills with which they guided us into the slow motion train crash 1997-2010. Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it Dai Rear
  • Score: -21

11:12am Sun 13 Jul 14

letsgobarbie says...

Dai Rear wrote:
letsgobarbie wrote:
For anybody worried about the cuts, Don’t! Its all going to be all right because under Tory leadership those up the top of the ladder will be handsomely rewarded and in time their wise investing and willingness to help the country will all trickle down to us workingpoor at the bottom of the ladder.
There now you feel better don’t you?

Check out the facts of trickle down economics:


http://youtu.be/3U1D


_T-tSTw
Well you're lucky then because Messrs Miliband and Balls will no doubt be back with us next year demonstrating the skills with which they guided us into the slow motion train crash 1997-2010. Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it
The greed of Bankers drove the world to financial collapse; not Labour building much needed new schools and hospitals. 26 Million Brits live on the breadline, Thanks to the Tories.
Tories actually believe that Gordon Brown caused the Banks to fail in Spain,Italy,Portugal
,France,USA, Greece,Cyprus,UK,Ire
land,Iceland.... yeah right!

Having ruined the financial lives of millions of students and disabled people, Clegg wants to stay and finish the job........., out of touch or what?

Nick Clegg says despite losing over 300 council seats and 11 Euro MPs, he thinks he is doing just fine... wake up and smell the coffee Nick

Lib Dems still exist physically & on paper Other than that they're heading 4 oblivion which is just months away & counting.


Trickle down economics do not work. 'Flexible' labour markets have merely allowed employers to take more profit from productivity without passing the benefits on to workers in the form of wage increases and to move jobs anywhere in the world. It does not matter how hard you work because Cameron is hell bent on finishing Thatchers legacy of destroying workers rights. There has only ever been one way for workers to ensure that they receive a fair share of the pie and protect their jobs and that is to organise themselves into unions to bargain for better wages and conditions. Unfortunately the attack on representation in the workplace by the Tory led government is now reaping the rewards for the wealthy few.

Labour are currently a dead cert to win the next election, and I for one will welcome that after the immense vandalism this bunch of overprivileged posh boys have done to the fabric of society. It's possible that some rabbit will appear out of a hat for the Etonians between now and then, but hopefully not, and we can consign this corrupt bunch of 19th Century throwback aristos to the dustbin of history, where they belong.

.
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]letsgobarbie[/bold] wrote: For anybody worried about the cuts, Don’t! Its all going to be all right because under Tory leadership those up the top of the ladder will be handsomely rewarded and in time their wise investing and willingness to help the country will all trickle down to us workingpoor at the bottom of the ladder. There now you feel better don’t you? Check out the facts of trickle down economics: http://youtu.be/3U1D _T-tSTw[/p][/quote]Well you're lucky then because Messrs Miliband and Balls will no doubt be back with us next year demonstrating the skills with which they guided us into the slow motion train crash 1997-2010. Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it[/p][/quote]The greed of Bankers drove the world to financial collapse; not Labour building much needed new schools and hospitals. 26 Million Brits live on the breadline, Thanks to the Tories. Tories actually believe that Gordon Brown caused the Banks to fail in Spain,Italy,Portugal ,France,USA, Greece,Cyprus,UK,Ire land,Iceland.... yeah right! Having ruined the financial lives of millions of students and disabled people, Clegg wants to stay and finish the job........., out of touch or what? Nick Clegg says despite losing over 300 council seats and 11 Euro MPs, he thinks he is doing just fine... wake up and smell the coffee Nick Lib Dems still exist physically & on paper Other than that they're heading 4 oblivion which is just months away & counting. Trickle down economics do not work. 'Flexible' labour markets have merely allowed employers to take more profit from productivity without passing the benefits on to workers in the form of wage increases and to move jobs anywhere in the world. It does not matter how hard you work because Cameron is hell bent on finishing Thatchers legacy of destroying workers rights. There has only ever been one way for workers to ensure that they receive a fair share of the pie and protect their jobs and that is to organise themselves into unions to bargain for better wages and conditions. Unfortunately the attack on representation in the workplace by the Tory led government is now reaping the rewards for the wealthy few. Labour are currently a dead cert to win the next election, and I for one will welcome that after the immense vandalism this bunch of overprivileged posh boys have done to the fabric of society. It's possible that some rabbit will appear out of a hat for the Etonians between now and then, but hopefully not, and we can consign this corrupt bunch of 19th Century throwback aristos to the dustbin of history, where they belong. . letsgobarbie
  • Score: 22

11:47am Sun 13 Jul 14

Dai Rear says...

Yes, Liam Byrne was a total liar when he said "Sorry there's no money left". The train crash had done such a splendid job that there was oodles of it and your class enemies immediately handed it all over to Jews, kulaks, war profiteers and banksters.
Still, Ed is ready to fight back and get the bluebirds over the white cliffs again with, um, what was it? Oh , I remember; the Rent Acts and rationing. Sounds like a recipe for a brave new world
Yes, Liam Byrne was a total liar when he said "Sorry there's no money left". The train crash had done such a splendid job that there was oodles of it and your class enemies immediately handed it all over to Jews, kulaks, war profiteers and banksters. Still, Ed is ready to fight back and get the bluebirds over the white cliffs again with, um, what was it? Oh , I remember; the Rent Acts and rationing. Sounds like a recipe for a brave new world Dai Rear
  • Score: -23

6:41pm Sun 13 Jul 14

letsgobarbie says...

Dai Rear wrote:
Yes, Liam Byrne was a total liar when he said "Sorry there's no money left". The train crash had done such a splendid job that there was oodles of it and your class enemies immediately handed it all over to Jews, kulaks, war profiteers and banksters.
Still, Ed is ready to fight back and get the bluebirds over the white cliffs again with, um, what was it? Oh , I remember; the Rent Acts and rationing. Sounds like a recipe for a brave new world
I always appreciate the brief hellos from psychos with unintelligible messages! Keep them coming, friends!
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: Yes, Liam Byrne was a total liar when he said "Sorry there's no money left". The train crash had done such a splendid job that there was oodles of it and your class enemies immediately handed it all over to Jews, kulaks, war profiteers and banksters. Still, Ed is ready to fight back and get the bluebirds over the white cliffs again with, um, what was it? Oh , I remember; the Rent Acts and rationing. Sounds like a recipe for a brave new world[/p][/quote]I always appreciate the brief hellos from psychos with unintelligible messages! Keep them coming, friends! letsgobarbie
  • Score: 13

6:44pm Sun 13 Jul 14

letsgobarbie says...

Oxfam 'perfect storm' poster attacked as 'shameful' by Conservative politicians

No surprise the Tories hate the truth being splashed about:

http://www.independe
nt.co.uk/news/uk/hom
e-news/oxfam-perfect
-storm-poster-attack
ed-as-shameful-by-co
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Oxfam 'perfect storm' poster attacked as 'shameful' by Conservative politicians No surprise the Tories hate the truth being splashed about: http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/uk/hom e-news/oxfam-perfect -storm-poster-attack ed-as-shameful-by-co nservative-politicia ns-9526661.html letsgobarbie
  • Score: 12

12:32am Mon 14 Jul 14

Dai Rear says...

letsgobarbie wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
Yes, Liam Byrne was a total liar when he said "Sorry there's no money left". The train crash had done such a splendid job that there was oodles of it and your class enemies immediately handed it all over to Jews, kulaks, war profiteers and banksters.
Still, Ed is ready to fight back and get the bluebirds over the white cliffs again with, um, what was it? Oh , I remember; the Rent Acts and rationing. Sounds like a recipe for a brave new world
I always appreciate the brief hellos from psychos with unintelligible messages! Keep them coming, friends!
You're a Labour voter. My condolences. Your ability to understand anything is inevitably fatally compromised.
[quote][p][bold]letsgobarbie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: Yes, Liam Byrne was a total liar when he said "Sorry there's no money left". The train crash had done such a splendid job that there was oodles of it and your class enemies immediately handed it all over to Jews, kulaks, war profiteers and banksters. Still, Ed is ready to fight back and get the bluebirds over the white cliffs again with, um, what was it? Oh , I remember; the Rent Acts and rationing. Sounds like a recipe for a brave new world[/p][/quote]I always appreciate the brief hellos from psychos with unintelligible messages! Keep them coming, friends![/p][/quote]You're a Labour voter. My condolences. Your ability to understand anything is inevitably fatally compromised. Dai Rear
  • Score: -17

2:59pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Newportg says...

Dai Rear wrote:
letsgobarbie wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
Yes, Liam Byrne was a total liar when he said "Sorry there's no money left". The train crash had done such a splendid job that there was oodles of it and your class enemies immediately handed it all over to Jews, kulaks, war profiteers and banksters.
Still, Ed is ready to fight back and get the bluebirds over the white cliffs again with, um, what was it? Oh , I remember; the Rent Acts and rationing. Sounds like a recipe for a brave new world
I always appreciate the brief hellos from psychos with unintelligible messages! Keep them coming, friends!
You're a Labour voter. My condolences. Your ability to understand anything is inevitably fatally compromised.
So am I. There's a lot of us around and I can't wait to see the end of this morally corrupt lot. 10 months and counting!!!
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]letsgobarbie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: Yes, Liam Byrne was a total liar when he said "Sorry there's no money left". The train crash had done such a splendid job that there was oodles of it and your class enemies immediately handed it all over to Jews, kulaks, war profiteers and banksters. Still, Ed is ready to fight back and get the bluebirds over the white cliffs again with, um, what was it? Oh , I remember; the Rent Acts and rationing. Sounds like a recipe for a brave new world[/p][/quote]I always appreciate the brief hellos from psychos with unintelligible messages! Keep them coming, friends![/p][/quote]You're a Labour voter. My condolences. Your ability to understand anything is inevitably fatally compromised.[/p][/quote]So am I. There's a lot of us around and I can't wait to see the end of this morally corrupt lot. 10 months and counting!!! Newportg
  • Score: 3

9:54am Wed 16 Jul 14

scraptheWAG says...

Newport1982 wrote:
I greatly value the work that our public servants do, including our teachers. A teacher on the maximum of the pay range on the national pay scale (ie. not London) earns £37124 gross per year for working 195 days a year.
I appreciate the views on those who feel that teachers are an easy target for the holidays they get, but I think we have to admit that teachers did pretty well under the years of Labour and the current rate of pay does not represent a bad annual salary. In addition to this many teachers receive additional allowances for specific learning responsibilities.
To suggest that somehow teachers are on the breadline is taking it a little far.
Most teachers work hard, but to be fair we already pay them appropriately. The unions quote that teachers work 60 hours a week, but the reality is very different. I'm sure we do have some teachers who work this level of hours sometimes, but to suggest this is the case for every teacher, every week is just wrong.
Unfortunately the reality is that the majority of people who go into teaching leave school, go to university and then go back to school and are immersed in that environment.
Regrettably they do not appreciate how tough it is in the private sector in a commercial environment. Pay restraint is a bitter pill to swallow but I don't see Mr Milliband coming out in support of the strikes? Labour has already committed to matching the Coalition's spending plans so those expecting to see a change in attitude under a Labour government in 2015 are likely to be bitterly disappointed.
I respect the right to strike but I question whether this action will have any impact at all. I believe it is time for us all to be asking our trade unions to take a more professional approach and negotiate on behalf of their members. This sort of action costs the economy dear, and unfortunately the only people that will feel the effects are those who have to take a day off work to look after their children or pay for alternative childcare. I for one hope that the trade unions will work harder to avoid further strike action.
most teachers like alot in the public sector have not had any other job 37k is a good salary and to earn that in the private sector you would have to be middle management in charge of a team .
[quote][p][bold]Newport1982[/bold] wrote: I greatly value the work that our public servants do, including our teachers. A teacher on the maximum of the pay range on the national pay scale (ie. not London) earns £37124 gross per year for working 195 days a year. I appreciate the views on those who feel that teachers are an easy target for the holidays they get, but I think we have to admit that teachers did pretty well under the years of Labour and the current rate of pay does not represent a bad annual salary. In addition to this many teachers receive additional allowances for specific learning responsibilities. To suggest that somehow teachers are on the breadline is taking it a little far. Most teachers work hard, but to be fair we already pay them appropriately. The unions quote that teachers work 60 hours a week, but the reality is very different. I'm sure we do have some teachers who work this level of hours sometimes, but to suggest this is the case for every teacher, every week is just wrong. Unfortunately the reality is that the majority of people who go into teaching leave school, go to university and then go back to school and are immersed in that environment. Regrettably they do not appreciate how tough it is in the private sector in a commercial environment. Pay restraint is a bitter pill to swallow but I don't see Mr Milliband coming out in support of the strikes? Labour has already committed to matching the Coalition's spending plans so those expecting to see a change in attitude under a Labour government in 2015 are likely to be bitterly disappointed. I respect the right to strike but I question whether this action will have any impact at all. I believe it is time for us all to be asking our trade unions to take a more professional approach and negotiate on behalf of their members. This sort of action costs the economy dear, and unfortunately the only people that will feel the effects are those who have to take a day off work to look after their children or pay for alternative childcare. I for one hope that the trade unions will work harder to avoid further strike action.[/p][/quote]most teachers like alot in the public sector have not had any other job 37k is a good salary and to earn that in the private sector you would have to be middle management in charge of a team . scraptheWAG
  • Score: -3

11:22am Wed 16 Jul 14

endthelies says...

scraptheWAG wrote:
Newport1982 wrote:
I greatly value the work that our public servants do, including our teachers. A teacher on the maximum of the pay range on the national pay scale (ie. not London) earns £37124 gross per year for working 195 days a year.
I appreciate the views on those who feel that teachers are an easy target for the holidays they get, but I think we have to admit that teachers did pretty well under the years of Labour and the current rate of pay does not represent a bad annual salary. In addition to this many teachers receive additional allowances for specific learning responsibilities.
To suggest that somehow teachers are on the breadline is taking it a little far.
Most teachers work hard, but to be fair we already pay them appropriately. The unions quote that teachers work 60 hours a week, but the reality is very different. I'm sure we do have some teachers who work this level of hours sometimes, but to suggest this is the case for every teacher, every week is just wrong.
Unfortunately the reality is that the majority of people who go into teaching leave school, go to university and then go back to school and are immersed in that environment.
Regrettably they do not appreciate how tough it is in the private sector in a commercial environment. Pay restraint is a bitter pill to swallow but I don't see Mr Milliband coming out in support of the strikes? Labour has already committed to matching the Coalition's spending plans so those expecting to see a change in attitude under a Labour government in 2015 are likely to be bitterly disappointed.
I respect the right to strike but I question whether this action will have any impact at all. I believe it is time for us all to be asking our trade unions to take a more professional approach and negotiate on behalf of their members. This sort of action costs the economy dear, and unfortunately the only people that will feel the effects are those who have to take a day off work to look after their children or pay for alternative childcare. I for one hope that the trade unions will work harder to avoid further strike action.
most teachers like alot in the public sector have not had any other job 37k is a good salary and to earn that in the private sector you would have to be middle management in charge of a team .
As a Teacher Scrap, you ARE in charge of a team. Other teachers, Nursery nurse, Teaching Assistants, Dinner staff, caretakers, the children and parents, are all a part of the team that a teacher is involved with. Your next derogatory comment please..............
But be warned, I will read it and comment :)
[quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Newport1982[/bold] wrote: I greatly value the work that our public servants do, including our teachers. A teacher on the maximum of the pay range on the national pay scale (ie. not London) earns £37124 gross per year for working 195 days a year. I appreciate the views on those who feel that teachers are an easy target for the holidays they get, but I think we have to admit that teachers did pretty well under the years of Labour and the current rate of pay does not represent a bad annual salary. In addition to this many teachers receive additional allowances for specific learning responsibilities. To suggest that somehow teachers are on the breadline is taking it a little far. Most teachers work hard, but to be fair we already pay them appropriately. The unions quote that teachers work 60 hours a week, but the reality is very different. I'm sure we do have some teachers who work this level of hours sometimes, but to suggest this is the case for every teacher, every week is just wrong. Unfortunately the reality is that the majority of people who go into teaching leave school, go to university and then go back to school and are immersed in that environment. Regrettably they do not appreciate how tough it is in the private sector in a commercial environment. Pay restraint is a bitter pill to swallow but I don't see Mr Milliband coming out in support of the strikes? Labour has already committed to matching the Coalition's spending plans so those expecting to see a change in attitude under a Labour government in 2015 are likely to be bitterly disappointed. I respect the right to strike but I question whether this action will have any impact at all. I believe it is time for us all to be asking our trade unions to take a more professional approach and negotiate on behalf of their members. This sort of action costs the economy dear, and unfortunately the only people that will feel the effects are those who have to take a day off work to look after their children or pay for alternative childcare. I for one hope that the trade unions will work harder to avoid further strike action.[/p][/quote]most teachers like alot in the public sector have not had any other job 37k is a good salary and to earn that in the private sector you would have to be middle management in charge of a team .[/p][/quote]As a Teacher Scrap, you ARE in charge of a team. Other teachers, Nursery nurse, Teaching Assistants, Dinner staff, caretakers, the children and parents, are all a part of the team that a teacher is involved with. Your next derogatory comment please.............. But be warned, I will read it and comment :) endthelies
  • Score: 3

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