Newport Chartist mural body wants project manager

Chartist mural body wants project manager

OPEN-MINDED: Chartist Mural commissioner Newport West AM Dame Rosemary Butler

First published in News

THE commission bringing ideas together on a replacement for the Chartist mural is looking to appoint a project manager, the Argus has been told.

National Assembly presiding officer and outgoing Newport West AM Dame Rosemary Butler said the Chartist Commission needs a professional to seek expressions of interest from artists.

Dame Rosemary, who is one of three commissioners on the body, said she is very open minded about what the new memorial could be, saying the commission is not fixed on any one thing that the memorial could be.

She said commissioners have spent the last couple of months “doing lots of background work, talking to the Arts Council, reviewing all the stuff that has come in.”

“It looks as if we are going to appoint a project manager who will bring all the ideas together and work on a document that we can then put out for expressions of interest,” she said.

“I have no idea what this is going to be, whether it’s going to be a fountain, it’s going to be aeroplanes flying off the Transporter Bridge, whether it’s going to be a statue, I’ve no idea.

“I’m very open minded – all we know is that this isn’t about now, it’s not about the past, it’s about the future, making sure future generations know that Newport is really the Chartist city, it is the home of democracy.

“We do need a professional whose done it before to bring a document together so we can then go out to people and say these are the boundaries, give us some ideas.”

She said the commission, which also boasts former Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams and chairman of the Chartist anniversary committee Pat Drewett, was no where near being offered funding beyond the £50,000 put up by Newport Council, but has spoken to the Arts Council and the Heritage Lottery Fund.

“We don’t know how much it is going to cost because we don’t know what we’re going to have,” she added.

On November 4 1839 thousands of Chartists led by former Newport mayor, John Frost, marched to the Westgate Hotel where fellow chartists were being kept imprisoned.

Soldiers opened fire on the protestors, killing 22 chartists.

The commission was set up by Newport council following the demolition of the Chartist Mural last year.

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7:35am Wed 16 Jul 14

KarloMarko says...

"Areoplanes flying off the Transporter Bridge"...

What, so that'll be the Chartists being flown off into exile? 19C Rendition? You don't need a Project Manager, just hire the Marx Brothers..
"Areoplanes flying off the Transporter Bridge"... What, so that'll be the Chartists being flown off into exile? 19C Rendition? You don't need a Project Manager, just hire the Marx Brothers.. KarloMarko
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8:48am Wed 16 Jul 14

Llanmartinangel says...

'Newport is the home of democracy' eh? Where despite overwhelming opposition to some of the largest gypsy camps in Wales we got them anyway.
'Newport is the home of democracy' eh? Where despite overwhelming opposition to some of the largest gypsy camps in Wales we got them anyway. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 5

8:50am Wed 16 Jul 14

anigel says...

We didn't need a replacement, we already had a fine historic mural which could easily have been relocated if there had been the will to do so.
We didn't need a replacement, we already had a fine historic mural which could easily have been relocated if there had been the will to do so. anigel
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9:17am Wed 16 Jul 14

Llanmartinangel says...

anigel wrote:
We didn't need a replacement, we already had a fine historic mural which could easily have been relocated if there had been the will to do so.
It does make you wonder. They refused to move the old one on cost grounds but now seem to be investing heavily in something new. Whether you were pro or anti the destruction of the old mural that just seems daft.
[quote][p][bold]anigel[/bold] wrote: We didn't need a replacement, we already had a fine historic mural which could easily have been relocated if there had been the will to do so.[/p][/quote]It does make you wonder. They refused to move the old one on cost grounds but now seem to be investing heavily in something new. Whether you were pro or anti the destruction of the old mural that just seems daft. Llanmartinangel
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10:07am Wed 16 Jul 14

anigel says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
anigel wrote:
We didn't need a replacement, we already had a fine historic mural which could easily have been relocated if there had been the will to do so.
It does make you wonder. They refused to move the old one on cost grounds but now seem to be investing heavily in something new. Whether you were pro or anti the destruction of the old mural that just seems daft.
You have hit the nail on the head.

During demolition it was proved that there was a void behind it and the cost of relocating it had been vastly overstated. No doubt the costs of it's replacement will be vastly underestimated in order to justify the previous demolition and then go hugely over budget, ending up costing us double what it would have cost to relocate the existing mural or just to include it in the new development plans.
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]anigel[/bold] wrote: We didn't need a replacement, we already had a fine historic mural which could easily have been relocated if there had been the will to do so.[/p][/quote]It does make you wonder. They refused to move the old one on cost grounds but now seem to be investing heavily in something new. Whether you were pro or anti the destruction of the old mural that just seems daft.[/p][/quote]You have hit the nail on the head. During demolition it was proved that there was a void behind it and the cost of relocating it had been vastly overstated. No doubt the costs of it's replacement will be vastly underestimated in order to justify the previous demolition and then go hugely over budget, ending up costing us double what it would have cost to relocate the existing mural or just to include it in the new development plans. anigel
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10:33am Wed 16 Jul 14

Mervyn James says...

I wonder how many jobs will be created by spending thousands on another tiled wall or block of metal set up somewhere ? One thing we can all be assured of, the bill ! and probably no real say in it. The mind boggles airplanes are being linked to Chartism... I'd rather see £50K spent on providing work for our young people.
I wonder how many jobs will be created by spending thousands on another tiled wall or block of metal set up somewhere ? One thing we can all be assured of, the bill ! and probably no real say in it. The mind boggles airplanes are being linked to Chartism... I'd rather see £50K spent on providing work for our young people. Mervyn James
  • Score: 0

10:50am Wed 16 Jul 14

Paxman's Army says...

Why not make a new mural in exactly the same fashion and design as the old mural? Why hire anyone to design something new when the old one was just fine. So many of us would be honoured to volunteer our time and put it back piece by piece in an even more visible spot. And if the council wants to make amends for their gross and almost criminal mistake, use the money they save toward encouraging community activism and empowerment.
Why not make a new mural in exactly the same fashion and design as the old mural? Why hire anyone to design something new when the old one was just fine. So many of us would be honoured to volunteer our time and put it back piece by piece in an even more visible spot. And if the council wants to make amends for their gross and almost criminal mistake, use the money they save toward encouraging community activism and empowerment. Paxman's Army
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12:57pm Wed 16 Jul 14

displayed says...

"Chartist mural body wants project manager"
What for, they couldn't look after the one they had!

“I’m very open minded – all we know is that this isn’t about now, it’s not about the past, it’s about the future, making sure future generations know that Newport is really the Chartist city, it is the home of democracy."

Do these people actually read these statements before there issued to the press!

No, I didnt think so..........
"Chartist mural body wants project manager" What for, they couldn't look after the one they had! “I’m very open minded – all we know is that this isn’t about now, it’s not about the past, it’s about the future, making sure future generations know that Newport is really the Chartist city, it is the home of democracy." Do these people actually read these statements before there issued to the press! No, I didnt think so.......... displayed
  • Score: -2

3:15pm Wed 16 Jul 14

altom23 says...

Mervyn James wrote:
I wonder how many jobs will be created by spending thousands on another tiled wall or block of metal set up somewhere ? One thing we can all be assured of, the bill ! and probably no real say in it. The mind boggles airplanes are being linked to Chartism... I'd rather see £50K spent on providing work for our young people.
They certainly need someone, especially if a member of the committee (Rosemary B) has no idea what they need and cite the possibility of airplanes off the transporter bridge. God help us all!
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: I wonder how many jobs will be created by spending thousands on another tiled wall or block of metal set up somewhere ? One thing we can all be assured of, the bill ! and probably no real say in it. The mind boggles airplanes are being linked to Chartism... I'd rather see £50K spent on providing work for our young people.[/p][/quote]They certainly need someone, especially if a member of the committee (Rosemary B) has no idea what they need and cite the possibility of airplanes off the transporter bridge. God help us all! altom23
  • Score: 1

8:01pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Foxyboy3rd says...

I would absolutely love to see the new replacement as , as good a copy of the original as possible and in even more of a walkby site.
Not some representational fantasy that some people won't understand or appreciate.
I would absolutely love to see the new replacement as , as good a copy of the original as possible and in even more of a walkby site. Not some representational fantasy that some people won't understand or appreciate. Foxyboy3rd
  • Score: 0

9:14pm Thu 17 Jul 14

slice_of_life says...

I too liked the original mosaic mural. I appreciate some people thought it was a a little naff, but it was simple and attractive to some much more detail when you took the time to look at it and it told the history of the period clearly. It would also be an opportunity to to recreate the whole of the mural (I seem to recall someone mentioning that the one in the underpass had already had some demolished prior to the redevelopment). However, I also understand that the options put forward, amongst others, would not be possible to recreate the entire mural in the original size; it would either be a smaller version of the entire mural or a larger section of a subsection of the original.

a previous poster at the time of the destruction said that it was fine to demolish it because it wasn't very old (comparing it to other historic artworks). However, if you take that attitude no artwork would ever be preserved to become of historical importance; you have to give things time to get old. I'm sure there are lots of artwork depicting historical events that never get make it and are eventually lost to neglect, wear, lack of interest, demolition; just happens that the ones that are preserved are the ones that are remembered (just think about not having some of those historic pieces of artwork that have actually been preserved).
I too liked the original mosaic mural. I appreciate some people thought it was a a little naff, but it was simple and attractive to some much more detail when you took the time to look at it and it told the history of the period clearly. It would also be an opportunity to to recreate the whole of the mural (I seem to recall someone mentioning that the one in the underpass had already had some demolished prior to the redevelopment). However, I also understand that the options put forward, amongst others, would not be possible to recreate the entire mural in the original size; it would either be a smaller version of the entire mural or a larger section of a subsection of the original. a previous poster at the time of the destruction said that it was fine to demolish it because it wasn't very old (comparing it to other historic artworks). However, if you take that attitude no artwork would ever be preserved to become of historical importance; you have to give things time to get old. I'm sure there are lots of artwork depicting historical events that never get make it and are eventually lost to neglect, wear, lack of interest, demolition; just happens that the ones that are preserved are the ones that are remembered (just think about not having some of those historic pieces of artwork that have actually been preserved). slice_of_life
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