Trinant man Paul Mapps guilty of murder

Trinant man Paul Mapps guilty of murder

MURDERER: Paul Mapps

STABBED TO DEATH: Trinant dad Ian Davies

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  A TRINANT man has been found guilty of murdering his friend by stabbing him to death with a kitchen knife at a party earlier this year.

Paul Mapps denied murdering father-of-one Ian Davies, 27, in January, claiming he acted in self-defence.

But a jury of six men and six women at Cardiff Crown Court today found Mapps guilty of murder with a 10-2 majority. They had been deliberating since Friday morning.

Gwent Police were called to reports of an incident on Marshfield Road at around 7.30pm on Saturday, January 11. Mr Davies suffered a fatal stab wound to his abdomen and was taken to the Royal Gwent Hospital where he later died the same night.

Mapps, now 27, claimed he acted in self-defence after Mr Davies came towards him with a bottle of vodka at a party at his house on Marshfield Road, where the defendant claims he was not welcomed.

Peter Griffiths QC, defending, said Mapps was already holding a kitchen knife - which he claimed he was using to cut a corned beef pie - when Mr Davies allegedly charged at him wielding a vodka bottle.

He also questioned the reliability of some of the prosecution’s witnesses, claiming some were “set against my client”.

But prosecution barrister Paul Lewis QC told the jury that some evidence given by Mapps was “fictional”, adding the defendant was a "devious liar".

He had previously questioned whether Mapps was actually scared of Mr Davies, as the defendant claimed, despite him being a black belt in karate.

Mapps had previously said he had been celebrating his sister Dawn Mapps’ 30th birthday on both January 10, and January 11, and was on a cocktail of ketamine, valium, cocaine, mephedrone and alcohol when he stabbed Mr Davies.

Mapps will be sentenced on August 6.

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3:12pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Dai Rear says...

"a cocktail of ketamine, valium, cocaine, mephedrone and alcohol "
Oh the good old "Trinant Sunrise". Must remember to get the makings of it in for next New Year's Eve
"a cocktail of ketamine, valium, cocaine, mephedrone and alcohol " Oh the good old "Trinant Sunrise". Must remember to get the makings of it in for next New Year's Eve Dai Rear
  • Score: -5

3:18pm Tue 29 Jul 14

valleyboy44 says...

well deserved verdict on scum like him..MAPPS
well deserved verdict on scum like him..MAPPS valleyboy44
  • Score: 24

3:41pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Andy70 says...

He's not from the Trinant , he was moved up there after he stabbed some other poor bloke. The guy is total scum and should be left to rot in jail.
Druggie scum !!!!
He's not from the Trinant , he was moved up there after he stabbed some other poor bloke. The guy is total scum and should be left to rot in jail. Druggie scum !!!! Andy70
  • Score: 32

4:14pm Tue 29 Jul 14

warneboy says...

Build recycling plants alongside prisons,inmates can separate and sort out the household waste while serving their sentence.
Build recycling plants alongside prisons,inmates can separate and sort out the household waste while serving their sentence. warneboy
  • Score: 21

4:33pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Dai Rear says...

Andy70 wrote:
He's not from the Trinant , he was moved up there after he stabbed some other poor bloke. The guy is total scum and should be left to rot in jail.
Druggie scum !!!!
From where? By whom? Was he living in public welfare housing?
[quote][p][bold]Andy70[/bold] wrote: He's not from the Trinant , he was moved up there after he stabbed some other poor bloke. The guy is total scum and should be left to rot in jail. Druggie scum !!!![/p][/quote]From where? By whom? Was he living in public welfare housing? Dai Rear
  • Score: 3

5:02pm Tue 29 Jul 14

jane29 says...

i wish people would stop calling trinant there is nothing wrong with the place or people its the scum that moves there and gives it a bad name
i wish people would stop calling trinant there is nothing wrong with the place or people its the scum that moves there and gives it a bad name jane29
  • Score: 13

5:06pm Tue 29 Jul 14

dicky normous says...

He never intended to kill him and Ian was on drugs also...pot, kettle, black. no one should have their life taken in this way but Ian was aggressive also he tried to cause problems for some of my friends and family with his aggressive attitude....he was no angel either!!!
He never intended to kill him and Ian was on drugs also...pot, kettle, black. no one should have their life taken in this way but Ian was aggressive also he tried to cause problems for some of my friends and family with his aggressive attitude....he was no angel either!!! dicky normous
  • Score: -9

5:12pm Tue 29 Jul 14

dicky normous says...

But in saying that it is still very sad for his family and loved ones
But in saying that it is still very sad for his family and loved ones dicky normous
  • Score: 6

5:33pm Tue 29 Jul 14

plutoPing says...

Sad thing. I new mappsy from Bargoed, What a waste
Sad thing. I new mappsy from Bargoed, What a waste plutoPing
  • Score: -15

5:34pm Tue 29 Jul 14

jimmysmith says...

one look at his eyes tells its own story .wales is awash with this drugged up scum and wheres the deterrent .? thats right ,there isnt one
one look at his eyes tells its own story .wales is awash with this drugged up scum and wheres the deterrent .? thats right ,there isnt one jimmysmith
  • Score: 14

5:47pm Tue 29 Jul 14

gingertom says...

These characters need to be rounded up, made to go cold turkey and then told if you want any money do a training course and just grow up:

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These characters need to be rounded up, made to go cold turkey and then told if you want any money do a training course and just grow up: http://www.trainingc ourseswales.co.uk/Co nstruction?gclid=CNK LofrL6r8CFQH3wgodDpE ARg gingertom
  • Score: 3

6:00pm Tue 29 Jul 14

shay84 says...

dicky normous- your talking more **** than your screen name suggests, wether he ment to or not the mere fact remains that he did. found guilty of murder and had that been n accident he would of gotten manslaughter, facts are facts there right there infront of you, take that enourmous dick of yours and and go wave it elsewhere
dicky normous- your talking more **** than your screen name suggests, wether he ment to or not the mere fact remains that he did. found guilty of murder and had that been n accident he would of gotten manslaughter, facts are facts there right there infront of you, take that enourmous dick of yours and and go wave it elsewhere shay84
  • Score: 6

6:02pm Tue 29 Jul 14

watutalkinaboutman says...

Dai Rear wrote:
"a cocktail of ketamine, valium, cocaine, mephedrone and alcohol "
Oh the good old "Trinant Sunrise". Must remember to get the makings of it in for next New Year's Eve
I hope you are not seriously making fun out of this. a man has died & a little boy has lost his daddy.
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: "a cocktail of ketamine, valium, cocaine, mephedrone and alcohol " Oh the good old "Trinant Sunrise". Must remember to get the makings of it in for next New Year's Eve[/p][/quote]I hope you are not seriously making fun out of this. a man has died & a little boy has lost his daddy. watutalkinaboutman
  • Score: 14

6:12pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Dai Rear says...

watutalkinaboutman wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
"a cocktail of ketamine, valium, cocaine, mephedrone and alcohol "
Oh the good old "Trinant Sunrise". Must remember to get the makings of it in for next New Year's Eve
I hope you are not seriously making fun out of this. a man has died & a little boy has lost his daddy.
I have said nothing of that of which you speak, as you know. I assume that what this creature consumed is the kind of libation that the underclass considers suitable for celebrating a birthday. I would add to what you say . Mr Davies' wife has been widowed and his employer and his employer's customers deprived of his services; the things that happen when someone is murdered.
[quote][p][bold]watutalkinaboutman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: "a cocktail of ketamine, valium, cocaine, mephedrone and alcohol " Oh the good old "Trinant Sunrise". Must remember to get the makings of it in for next New Year's Eve[/p][/quote]I hope you are not seriously making fun out of this. a man has died & a little boy has lost his daddy.[/p][/quote]I have said nothing of that of which you speak, as you know. I assume that what this creature consumed is the kind of libation that the underclass considers suitable for celebrating a birthday. I would add to what you say . Mr Davies' wife has been widowed and his employer and his employer's customers deprived of his services; the things that happen when someone is murdered. Dai Rear
  • Score: -3

6:19pm Tue 29 Jul 14

shay84 says...

am i reading the right thread here, either im reading the wrong thread or some of you are posting on the wrong thread if you no nothing about it which you clearly dont keep your comments to your selves
am i reading the right thread here, either im reading the wrong thread or some of you are posting on the wrong thread if you no nothing about it which you clearly dont keep your comments to your selves shay84
  • Score: -7

7:58pm Tue 29 Jul 14

emmaw86 says...

dicky normous wrote:
He never intended to kill him and Ian was on drugs also...pot, kettle, black. no one should have their life taken in this way but Ian was aggressive also he tried to cause problems for some of my friends and family with his aggressive attitude....he was no angel either!!!
Never intended to kill him? Shame he chose to plunge a knife in his stomach then. I can't see any way to justify this tbh.
[quote][p][bold]dicky normous[/bold] wrote: He never intended to kill him and Ian was on drugs also...pot, kettle, black. no one should have their life taken in this way but Ian was aggressive also he tried to cause problems for some of my friends and family with his aggressive attitude....he was no angel either!!![/p][/quote]Never intended to kill him? Shame he chose to plunge a knife in his stomach then. I can't see any way to justify this tbh. emmaw86
  • Score: 12

8:26pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Andy70 says...

Dai rear , the local council moved him to Trinant after he stabbed a male And came out of prison , there is nothing wrong with the Trinant or the community.
Dai rear , the local council moved him to Trinant after he stabbed a male And came out of prison , there is nothing wrong with the Trinant or the community. Andy70
  • Score: 10

9:19pm Tue 29 Jul 14

valleyboy44 says...

plutoPing wrote:
Sad thing. I new mappsy from Bargoed, What a waste
you knew mappsy yea but the lad is a total waste ov space hence hes done this b4 on 2 outher occasions cut someone with a knife hence he cnt use his fists..i hope he gets 20yrs plus..!
[quote][p][bold]plutoPing[/bold] wrote: Sad thing. I new mappsy from Bargoed, What a waste[/p][/quote]you knew mappsy yea but the lad is a total waste ov space hence hes done this b4 on 2 outher occasions cut someone with a knife hence he cnt use his fists..i hope he gets 20yrs plus..! valleyboy44
  • Score: 17

9:24pm Tue 29 Jul 14

valleyboy44 says...

dicky normous wrote:
But in saying that it is still very sad for his family and loved ones
dicky normous..no 1 deserves to have they life taken away especially this way wa the DRUGGIE SCUM MAPPSY DID..the boy is hated by many so no good defending..!
[quote][p][bold]dicky normous[/bold] wrote: But in saying that it is still very sad for his family and loved ones[/p][/quote]dicky normous..no 1 deserves to have they life taken away especially this way wa the DRUGGIE SCUM MAPPSY DID..the boy is hated by many so no good defending..! valleyboy44
  • Score: 3

12:10am Wed 30 Jul 14

dicky normous says...

Because we live in a free country Im saying what I believe and there are obviously a lot of people who are gonna be angry and hell bent on revenge, but I personally don't believe it was pre-meditated murder . so all those baying for blood sit back and think maybe one of your loved ones could possibly stand charged with murder some day!!!! or end up screwed up on drugs!!!!
Because we live in a free country Im saying what I believe and there are obviously a lot of people who are gonna be angry and hell bent on revenge, but I personally don't believe it was pre-meditated murder . so all those baying for blood sit back and think maybe one of your loved ones could possibly stand charged with murder some day!!!! or end up screwed up on drugs!!!! dicky normous
  • Score: -12

12:20am Wed 30 Jul 14

dicky normous says...

it really don't matter if it was a cocktail of drugs.... if any of you guys were **** and someone came into your kitchen with a bottle you would all do the same, well I would.only quicker
it really don't matter if it was a cocktail of drugs.... if any of you guys were **** and someone came into your kitchen with a bottle you would all do the same, well I would.only quicker dicky normous
  • Score: -8

12:21am Wed 30 Jul 14

dicky normous says...

Im sorry I hold the same views as the two jurors and its what I believe....end of
Im sorry I hold the same views as the two jurors and its what I believe....end of dicky normous
  • Score: -9

12:46am Wed 30 Jul 14

Blodwen Puw says...

Drug addiction is a mental illness, start giving services adequate resources and help those who need it!
Drug addiction is a mental illness, start giving services adequate resources and help those who need it! Blodwen Puw
  • Score: -12

8:37am Wed 30 Jul 14

caz211283 says...

Dicky enormous! Either your unfortunate enough to be related to the vile predator Paul Mapps, or you too are on some concoction of drugs, and you must have a head full of mush!
Paul Mapps is a murder! There's no such thing as premeditated murder in the UK!
Paul Mapps was found Guilty of murder!
Murder is no accident!
Paul Mapps has hurt people previously with a knife, he's attacked people, he hit his own sister. Ragged his gf around like a rag doll.
There was no glowing character reference for this scumbag.
His own sister or gf who was there that night made no statement in his defence!
What does that say! You stand by the 2 jurors! I'll stand by my own opinion, the 10 other jurors and pretty much the remainder of south wales!
As for ian taking drugs, the pathologist report stated clearly there were NO drugs in Ian system!
Goodbye to bad rubbish!
What a safer community we shall live.
Between now and Wednesday I will be hoping and praying for the longest sentence possible to keep such a vile predator off are streets.
Paul Mapps will hopefully be occupying a 6x12 for many years!
Dry your eyes Mapps!
Dicky enormous! Either your unfortunate enough to be related to the vile predator Paul Mapps, or you too are on some concoction of drugs, and you must have a head full of mush! Paul Mapps is a murder! There's no such thing as premeditated murder in the UK! Paul Mapps was found Guilty of murder! Murder is no accident! Paul Mapps has hurt people previously with a knife, he's attacked people, he hit his own sister. Ragged his gf around like a rag doll. There was no glowing character reference for this scumbag. His own sister or gf who was there that night made no statement in his defence! What does that say! You stand by the 2 jurors! I'll stand by my own opinion, the 10 other jurors and pretty much the remainder of south wales! As for ian taking drugs, the pathologist report stated clearly there were NO drugs in Ian system! Goodbye to bad rubbish! What a safer community we shall live. Between now and Wednesday I will be hoping and praying for the longest sentence possible to keep such a vile predator off are streets. Paul Mapps will hopefully be occupying a 6x12 for many years! Dry your eyes Mapps! caz211283
  • Score: 19

9:24am Wed 30 Jul 14

Llanmartinangel says...

caz211283 wrote:
Dicky enormous! Either your unfortunate enough to be related to the vile predator Paul Mapps, or you too are on some concoction of drugs, and you must have a head full of mush!
Paul Mapps is a murder! There's no such thing as premeditated murder in the UK!
Paul Mapps was found Guilty of murder!
Murder is no accident!
Paul Mapps has hurt people previously with a knife, he's attacked people, he hit his own sister. Ragged his gf around like a rag doll.
There was no glowing character reference for this scumbag.
His own sister or gf who was there that night made no statement in his defence!
What does that say! You stand by the 2 jurors! I'll stand by my own opinion, the 10 other jurors and pretty much the remainder of south wales!
As for ian taking drugs, the pathologist report stated clearly there were NO drugs in Ian system!
Goodbye to bad rubbish!
What a safer community we shall live.
Between now and Wednesday I will be hoping and praying for the longest sentence possible to keep such a vile predator off are streets.
Paul Mapps will hopefully be occupying a 6x12 for many years!
Dry your eyes Mapps!
Fair comment. And I'm quite sure that people suffering from depression, bipolar disorder, schizophrenia etc are pleased to have been lumped in with this evil miscreant by Blodwyn Puw in the previous post as 'mentally ill'. Some people do not warrant being kept breathing, Mapps is one of them.
[quote][p][bold]caz211283[/bold] wrote: Dicky enormous! Either your unfortunate enough to be related to the vile predator Paul Mapps, or you too are on some concoction of drugs, and you must have a head full of mush! Paul Mapps is a murder! There's no such thing as premeditated murder in the UK! Paul Mapps was found Guilty of murder! Murder is no accident! Paul Mapps has hurt people previously with a knife, he's attacked people, he hit his own sister. Ragged his gf around like a rag doll. There was no glowing character reference for this scumbag. His own sister or gf who was there that night made no statement in his defence! What does that say! You stand by the 2 jurors! I'll stand by my own opinion, the 10 other jurors and pretty much the remainder of south wales! As for ian taking drugs, the pathologist report stated clearly there were NO drugs in Ian system! Goodbye to bad rubbish! What a safer community we shall live. Between now and Wednesday I will be hoping and praying for the longest sentence possible to keep such a vile predator off are streets. Paul Mapps will hopefully be occupying a 6x12 for many years! Dry your eyes Mapps![/p][/quote]Fair comment. And I'm quite sure that people suffering from depression, bipolar disorder, schizophrenia etc are pleased to have been lumped in with this evil miscreant by Blodwyn Puw in the previous post as 'mentally ill'. Some people do not warrant being kept breathing, Mapps is one of them. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 11

9:31am Wed 30 Jul 14

myopinion1988 says...

dicky normous wrote:
He never intended to kill him and Ian was on drugs also...pot, kettle, black. no one should have their life taken in this way but Ian was aggressive also he tried to cause problems for some of my friends and family with his aggressive attitude....he was no angel either!!!
Well he did kill him either way so good riddance!!
[quote][p][bold]dicky normous[/bold] wrote: He never intended to kill him and Ian was on drugs also...pot, kettle, black. no one should have their life taken in this way but Ian was aggressive also he tried to cause problems for some of my friends and family with his aggressive attitude....he was no angel either!!![/p][/quote]Well he did kill him either way so good riddance!! myopinion1988
  • Score: 2

9:48am Wed 30 Jul 14

Dai Rear says...

dicky normous wrote:
it really don't matter if it was a cocktail of drugs.... if any of you guys were **** and someone came into your kitchen with a bottle you would all do the same, well I would.only quicker
Look we all understand that as his mam you're never going to be able to accept that the 40 weeks and the pain at the end of it would have been better if it had never happened but if you've ingested all the foulness that your son had, you'd not know the difference between someone coming in to your kitchen with a bottle and the Easter Bunny (in passing lots of folk have come into my kitchen with a bottle and I've not felt the need to shaft them)
I suspect the jurors who couldn't make up their minds struggled with the concept that if you voluntarily and knowingly consume the muck that your son did, you're responsible for the consequences. As you put it-end of.
[quote][p][bold]dicky normous[/bold] wrote: it really don't matter if it was a cocktail of drugs.... if any of you guys were **** and someone came into your kitchen with a bottle you would all do the same, well I would.only quicker[/p][/quote]Look we all understand that as his mam you're never going to be able to accept that the 40 weeks and the pain at the end of it would have been better if it had never happened but if you've ingested all the foulness that your son had, you'd not know the difference between someone coming in to your kitchen with a bottle and the Easter Bunny (in passing lots of folk have come into my kitchen with a bottle and I've not felt the need to shaft them) I suspect the jurors who couldn't make up their minds struggled with the concept that if you voluntarily and knowingly consume the muck that your son did, you're responsible for the consequences. As you put it-end of. Dai Rear
  • Score: 4

12:51pm Wed 30 Jul 14

caz211283 says...

Well if dicky enormous is Paul Mapps's mother, she must be so proud of her off spring.
If dicky enormous is mapps's mam I feel for her as she too has a loss. After his actions he's not much to lose, but a mothers love and all that.
On the other hand dicky enormous your morals are shaded, as bad mouthing a dead man, with lies is a low blow! Shame on you!
Paul mapps mother attended court on only two occasions I believe! His sister, his gf didn't attend at all.
Paul mapps is a murderer and come Wednesday we will see how long we are all safe for, hopefully a longtime!
Well if dicky enormous is Paul Mapps's mother, she must be so proud of her off spring. If dicky enormous is mapps's mam I feel for her as she too has a loss. After his actions he's not much to lose, but a mothers love and all that. On the other hand dicky enormous your morals are shaded, as bad mouthing a dead man, with lies is a low blow! Shame on you! Paul mapps mother attended court on only two occasions I believe! His sister, his gf didn't attend at all. Paul mapps is a murderer and come Wednesday we will see how long we are all safe for, hopefully a longtime! caz211283
  • Score: 5

12:57pm Wed 30 Jul 14

caz211283 says...

dicky normous wrote:
it really don't matter if it was a cocktail of drugs.... if any of you guys were **** and someone came into your kitchen with a bottle you would all do the same, well I would.only quicker
Fact is the bottle was fiction! A made up story by mapps, mapps was lying as proved in court, mapps was proved to be a liar several times! If you were in court, your point maybe valid, but as you clearly weren't as you would have heard that mapps was lying.
Just more lies that fall from his mouth!
He's guilty of murder!
Sentencing Wednesday.
[quote][p][bold]dicky normous[/bold] wrote: it really don't matter if it was a cocktail of drugs.... if any of you guys were **** and someone came into your kitchen with a bottle you would all do the same, well I would.only quicker[/p][/quote]Fact is the bottle was fiction! A made up story by mapps, mapps was lying as proved in court, mapps was proved to be a liar several times! If you were in court, your point maybe valid, but as you clearly weren't as you would have heard that mapps was lying. Just more lies that fall from his mouth! He's guilty of murder! Sentencing Wednesday. caz211283
  • Score: 6

12:59pm Wed 30 Jul 14

caz211283 says...

dicky normous wrote:
He never intended to kill him and Ian was on drugs also...pot, kettle, black. no one should have their life taken in this way but Ian was aggressive also he tried to cause problems for some of my friends and family with his aggressive attitude....he was no angel either!!!
If you were in court you would have heard the pathologist report that stated Ian hadn't taken drugs!
Mapps's previous speaks for itself also!
Dicky enormous - are you some kind of joker.
[quote][p][bold]dicky normous[/bold] wrote: He never intended to kill him and Ian was on drugs also...pot, kettle, black. no one should have their life taken in this way but Ian was aggressive also he tried to cause problems for some of my friends and family with his aggressive attitude....he was no angel either!!![/p][/quote]If you were in court you would have heard the pathologist report that stated Ian hadn't taken drugs! Mapps's previous speaks for itself also! Dicky enormous - are you some kind of joker. caz211283
  • Score: 4

10:23am Thu 31 Jul 14

jimmysmith says...

dicky normous wrote:
Because we live in a free country Im saying what I believe and there are obviously a lot of people who are gonna be angry and hell bent on revenge, but I personally don't believe it was pre-meditated murder . so all those baying for blood sit back and think maybe one of your loved ones could possibly stand charged with murder some day!!!! or end up screwed up on drugs!!!!
the difference being the majority of families wouldnt have stood back and watched it get to this .responsible parenting ,love and support etc starts from the crib .a true saying mammy mapps to bear in mind is ( whats in the hen comes out in the chicks )
[quote][p][bold]dicky normous[/bold] wrote: Because we live in a free country Im saying what I believe and there are obviously a lot of people who are gonna be angry and hell bent on revenge, but I personally don't believe it was pre-meditated murder . so all those baying for blood sit back and think maybe one of your loved ones could possibly stand charged with murder some day!!!! or end up screwed up on drugs!!!![/p][/quote]the difference being the majority of families wouldnt have stood back and watched it get to this .responsible parenting ,love and support etc starts from the crib .a true saying mammy mapps to bear in mind is ( whats in the hen comes out in the chicks ) jimmysmith
  • Score: -1

11:39am Thu 31 Jul 14

shay84 says...

if dicky normous is mapps mother then quite clearly there something quite wrong with her n all, apart from her obvious large genitalia
if dicky normous is mapps mother then quite clearly there something quite wrong with her n all, apart from her obvious large genitalia shay84
  • Score: 0

3:12pm Fri 1 Aug 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

warneboy wrote:
Build recycling plants alongside prisons,inmates can separate and sort out the household waste while serving their sentence.
Agree.
Although that would infringe his human rights, so I don't see this as a viable proposition.
[quote][p][bold]warneboy[/bold] wrote: Build recycling plants alongside prisons,inmates can separate and sort out the household waste while serving their sentence.[/p][/quote]Agree. Although that would infringe his human rights, so I don't see this as a viable proposition. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: -1

5:14pm Fri 1 Aug 14

cymruamblyth says...

It never fails to amaze the lengths the scumbags family's will go through to defend them!! "He's a lovely kid stabbing three people and and killing one of them" Show's how much he valued his so called friend, if he obviously knew the defendants track record why be his friend?
It never fails to amaze the lengths the scumbags family's will go through to defend them!! "He's a lovely kid stabbing three people and and killing one of them" Show's how much he valued his so called friend, if he obviously knew the defendants track record why be his friend? cymruamblyth
  • Score: 2

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