Gwent councils braced for extra £33.6m in cuts

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GWENT councils are bracing themselves to slash an extra £33.6 million from their budgets after Welsh Government warned of a further cut to local authority funding.

Yesterday Newport council revealed it was withdrawing its medium-term financial plan and planning to find an extra £8 million in savings in 2014/15, on top of £4.9 million worth of cuts it expected to make next year, bringing their total to almost £13 million.

Earlier this month the Argus reported how Welsh Government told councils across the country that they could face funding cuts as deep as 4.5 per cent in 2015/16, more than twice the previous estimate.

Caerphilly council tops the list of Gwent authorities with the highest potential shortfall, revealing an estimated rise of £17.7 million in cuts, up from £13.4 million to a potential £30.1 million.

Monmouthshire council expect to have to find an extra £2.2 million, up from £2.3 million to between £4.5 and £5 million; Torfaen predict they’ll have to find an extra £2.8 million, up from £10.2 million to £13 million; while Blaenau Gwent is likely to slash an extra £2.9 million from its budgets, up from £4.8 million to £7.7 million.

Cllr Phil Murphy, cabinet member for finance said: “It’s going to get very, very difficult indeed. All local authorities are in a position where we have got to ask the question, is there a different way to do this service to avoid making a cut?”

The deputy leader of Newport council, Cllr Ray Truman said for local government the financial situation is “showing no sign of getting any easier.” and in fact the position is worsening.

“It is a harsh financial reality we are facing and one the council and our residents were not expecting but one we have to prepare for,” he said.

In recent years Newport council has cut its budget by £58 million, with the Welsh Government grant accounting for more than 80 per cent of the council’s net funding. Council tax makes up 19 per cent.

At Tuesday’s Newport council meeting, leader of the opposition Cllr David Fouweather said social services could face further cuts if Welsh Government grant funding was squeezed any more.

This morning the council’s head of finance sent out a memo to all councillors, seen by the Argus, briefing them on further budget cuts.

Cllr David Fouweather said it was “obvious” his comments had “hit a nerve with this Labour administration.”

He said: “They need to ensure that social services stays within budget so that the vulnerable in society can be properly protected.”

A council spokeswoman responded: “The council remains committed to improving the lives of Newport residents by providing the best affordable services, and recognises the challenge it faces with a potential cut of nearly £13 million to next year’s budget.”

A Welsh Government spokesman said the local government minister wrote to councils last month to provide “as much clarity as possible” on future cuts and said the information sent to council leaders will allow them “time to engage with local people before making what we appreciate are likely to be difficult decisions”.

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4:26pm Thu 31 Jul 14

gingertom says...

geraint williams says:

We call on the National Assembly for Wales to urge the Welsh Government to scrap Councillors’ salaries. With cuts to public services and increases in council tax it is right that councillors share the burden by having their salaries scrapped and replaced with payments of reimbursement only, much like magistrates. This will help to make savings in expensive local democracy.

Please sign this petition:
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geraint williams says: We call on the National Assembly for Wales to urge the Welsh Government to scrap Councillors’ salaries. With cuts to public services and increases in council tax it is right that councillors share the burden by having their salaries scrapped and replaced with payments of reimbursement only, much like magistrates. This will help to make savings in expensive local democracy. Please sign this petition: https://www.assembly wales.org/epetition- list-of-signatories. htm?pet_id=1031 gingertom
  • Score: 2

4:34pm Thu 31 Jul 14

gingertom says...

The recession needs to hit the AM's in the assembly aswell (they need to step off the gravytrain).

I asked 16th July 2014 regarding pensions of an AM and I had this reply:

Crossbenchtory says...

gingertom wrote:
How much pension does AM's get? How long have you got to serve before you get a pension?
Up to £123,600.00 per year with an annual increase linked the the Consumer Price Index.

As near as I can figure this pension is available after 12 months as an AM.
The recession needs to hit the AM's in the assembly aswell (they need to step off the gravytrain). I asked 16th July 2014 regarding pensions of an AM and I had this reply: Crossbenchtory says... gingertom wrote: How much pension does AM's get? How long have you got to serve before you get a pension? Up to £123,600.00 per year with an annual increase linked the the Consumer Price Index. As near as I can figure this pension is available after 12 months as an AM. gingertom
  • Score: -1

5:00pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Magor says...

Councils should turn the clock back and just provide basic services like they used to do.Have a look on a Council website its amazing what services they offer,most of which you will never use.No wonder they cost so much to run.
Councils should turn the clock back and just provide basic services like they used to do.Have a look on a Council website its amazing what services they offer,most of which you will never use.No wonder they cost so much to run. Magor
  • Score: -2

5:31pm Thu 31 Jul 14

sillybilly43 says...

A few days ago, Gwent Council announced that Leisure centres were under threat of closure, or to be demolished, or sold. Newbridge, Risca, were 2 mentioned. LAST night, on tv, it was stated that GWENT has the worse rate of HEART disease in the whole of the UK> Solution by the pratts at Caerphilly? CLOSE Leisure Centres Couldn.t male it up!!!!!!!!I believe there are about 22 councils in Wales. That's about 18 tooooo Many!!!!!! Problem solved...Lesser councillors, Less expense...= More money for facilities Easy Peasy
A few days ago, Gwent Council announced that Leisure centres were under threat of closure, or to be demolished, or sold. Newbridge, Risca, were 2 mentioned. LAST night, on tv, it was stated that GWENT has the worse rate of HEART disease in the whole of the UK> Solution by the pratts at Caerphilly? CLOSE Leisure Centres Couldn.t male it up!!!!!!!!I believe there are about 22 councils in Wales. That's about 18 tooooo Many!!!!!! Problem solved...Lesser councillors, Less expense...= More money for facilities Easy Peasy sillybilly43
  • Score: 1

5:48pm Thu 31 Jul 14

PrivateTom10000001 says...

The cuts are very much driven from Tory HQ Westminster and are an act of ideology not of necessity.
On a Local level Labour are failing in their own backyard,they would rather spend money on senior officers pay and twinning activities rather tan on people that actually get their hands dirty and do some good in the community and if they don’t realise this they will also be punished at the elections but lets hope it wont be gifted to the pathetic Ukip lot, there are better alternatives if you wish to make a protest vote.

The flexible labour market in action. It is what has distinguished the UK economy from some of the more heavily regulated economies in the rest of Europe. Tory implementers of the reforms of the past few years say the flexible labour market is why the jobless rate is around half the average for the eurozone.
However Millions of people in poverty live in UK households where at least one person works, the Living Wage Commission has said.
It recommended that the government should pay its own workers a "living wage".
The commission is an independent body that brings together business, trade unions and civil society.
It said that "the majority of people in poverty in the UK are working".

Around half of the jobs created in the past year have been for the self-employed, with a strong suspicion that many of those running their own business are doing so involuntarily.
Many more are on zero hour contracts, so effectively they are to the most part unemployed but not counted as such.

This continues to fall on the deaf ears of the coalition government that nobody voted for!
They prefer to push on with counter productive cuts that are damaging the fabric of our society, they choose to do this not out of necessity, its an an act of ideology not of necessity and is aimed at reducing Union funding and work place representation.

True unemployment is not being calculated correctly its all insidiously manipulated and the new unemployed are the working poor. There are many who would have you believe that wages wont rise because of the influx of immigrants however statistics don’t back up any of their claims, obviously right wing parties have played up to this and many have fallen under the Ukip spell however they are just disgruntled Tories (their Leader is being favoured heavily by the Tory press,no surprise there) It would not be a surprise if the conservatives get in to power once again with the help of an offspring party of their own kind, Con/Kip Beware!
The cuts are very much driven from Tory HQ Westminster and are an act of ideology not of necessity. On a Local level Labour are failing in their own backyard,they would rather spend money on senior officers pay and twinning activities rather tan on people that actually get their hands dirty and do some good in the community and if they don’t realise this they will also be punished at the elections but lets hope it wont be gifted to the pathetic Ukip lot, there are better alternatives if you wish to make a protest vote. The flexible labour market in action. It is what has distinguished the UK economy from some of the more heavily regulated economies in the rest of Europe. Tory implementers of the reforms of the past few years say the flexible labour market is why the jobless rate is around half the average for the eurozone. However Millions of people in poverty live in UK households where at least one person works, the Living Wage Commission has said. It recommended that the government should pay its own workers a "living wage". The commission is an independent body that brings together business, trade unions and civil society. It said that "the majority of people in poverty in the UK are working". Around half of the jobs created in the past year have been for the self-employed, with a strong suspicion that many of those running their own business are doing so involuntarily. Many more are on zero hour contracts, so effectively they are to the most part unemployed but not counted as such. This continues to fall on the deaf ears of the coalition government that nobody voted for! They prefer to push on with counter productive cuts that are damaging the fabric of our society, they choose to do this not out of necessity, its an an act of ideology not of necessity and is aimed at reducing Union funding and work place representation. True unemployment is not being calculated correctly its all insidiously manipulated and the new unemployed are the working poor. There are many who would have you believe that wages wont rise because of the influx of immigrants however statistics don’t back up any of their claims, obviously right wing parties have played up to this and many have fallen under the Ukip spell however they are just disgruntled Tories (their Leader is being favoured heavily by the Tory press,no surprise there) It would not be a surprise if the conservatives get in to power once again with the help of an offspring party of their own kind, Con/Kip Beware! PrivateTom10000001
  • Score: 14

6:33pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Bobevans says...

PrivateTom10000001 wrote:
The cuts are very much driven from Tory HQ Westminster and are an act of ideology not of necessity.
On a Local level Labour are failing in their own backyard,they would rather spend money on senior officers pay and twinning activities rather tan on people that actually get their hands dirty and do some good in the community and if they don’t realise this they will also be punished at the elections but lets hope it wont be gifted to the pathetic Ukip lot, there are better alternatives if you wish to make a protest vote.

The flexible labour market in action. It is what has distinguished the UK economy from some of the more heavily regulated economies in the rest of Europe. Tory implementers of the reforms of the past few years say the flexible labour market is why the jobless rate is around half the average for the eurozone.
However Millions of people in poverty live in UK households where at least one person works, the Living Wage Commission has said.
It recommended that the government should pay its own workers a "living wage".
The commission is an independent body that brings together business, trade unions and civil society.
It said that "the majority of people in poverty in the UK are working".

Around half of the jobs created in the past year have been for the self-employed, with a strong suspicion that many of those running their own business are doing so involuntarily.
Many more are on zero hour contracts, so effectively they are to the most part unemployed but not counted as such.

This continues to fall on the deaf ears of the coalition government that nobody voted for!
They prefer to push on with counter productive cuts that are damaging the fabric of our society, they choose to do this not out of necessity, its an an act of ideology not of necessity and is aimed at reducing Union funding and work place representation.

True unemployment is not being calculated correctly its all insidiously manipulated and the new unemployed are the working poor. There are many who would have you believe that wages wont rise because of the influx of immigrants however statistics don’t back up any of their claims, obviously right wing parties have played up to this and many have fallen under the Ukip spell however they are just disgruntled Tories (their Leader is being favoured heavily by the Tory press,no surprise there) It would not be a surprise if the conservatives get in to power once again with the help of an offspring party of their own kind, Con/Kip Beware!
It may nave escap3ed you attention but there is a little organisation down at the bay called the Welsh Assembly. They have sole responsibility for funding LA's. It has nothing at all to do with the assembly.

The assembly will shortly be given tax raining powers so if it wishes to increase taxes in Wales to fund local services it will be free to do so , Maybe another £0.05 on income tax in Wales perhaps
[quote][p][bold]PrivateTom10000001[/bold] wrote: The cuts are very much driven from Tory HQ Westminster and are an act of ideology not of necessity. On a Local level Labour are failing in their own backyard,they would rather spend money on senior officers pay and twinning activities rather tan on people that actually get their hands dirty and do some good in the community and if they don’t realise this they will also be punished at the elections but lets hope it wont be gifted to the pathetic Ukip lot, there are better alternatives if you wish to make a protest vote. The flexible labour market in action. It is what has distinguished the UK economy from some of the more heavily regulated economies in the rest of Europe. Tory implementers of the reforms of the past few years say the flexible labour market is why the jobless rate is around half the average for the eurozone. However Millions of people in poverty live in UK households where at least one person works, the Living Wage Commission has said. It recommended that the government should pay its own workers a "living wage". The commission is an independent body that brings together business, trade unions and civil society. It said that "the majority of people in poverty in the UK are working". Around half of the jobs created in the past year have been for the self-employed, with a strong suspicion that many of those running their own business are doing so involuntarily. Many more are on zero hour contracts, so effectively they are to the most part unemployed but not counted as such. This continues to fall on the deaf ears of the coalition government that nobody voted for! They prefer to push on with counter productive cuts that are damaging the fabric of our society, they choose to do this not out of necessity, its an an act of ideology not of necessity and is aimed at reducing Union funding and work place representation. True unemployment is not being calculated correctly its all insidiously manipulated and the new unemployed are the working poor. There are many who would have you believe that wages wont rise because of the influx of immigrants however statistics don’t back up any of their claims, obviously right wing parties have played up to this and many have fallen under the Ukip spell however they are just disgruntled Tories (their Leader is being favoured heavily by the Tory press,no surprise there) It would not be a surprise if the conservatives get in to power once again with the help of an offspring party of their own kind, Con/Kip Beware![/p][/quote]It may nave escap3ed you attention but there is a little organisation down at the bay called the Welsh Assembly. They have sole responsibility for funding LA's. It has nothing at all to do with the assembly. The assembly will shortly be given tax raining powers so if it wishes to increase taxes in Wales to fund local services it will be free to do so , Maybe another £0.05 on income tax in Wales perhaps Bobevans
  • Score: -9

6:40pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Magor says...

Where do you get your statistics from regarding immigrants and wages?
From my experience immigration is keeping wages down. I know from the staff profile at my place of work the EU migrants get £4 an hour less than the local full time staff and if they leave they get replaced by agency staff who in recent years are all EU migrants.
Where do you get your statistics from regarding immigrants and wages? From my experience immigration is keeping wages down. I know from the staff profile at my place of work the EU migrants get £4 an hour less than the local full time staff and if they leave they get replaced by agency staff who in recent years are all EU migrants. Magor
  • Score: 1

7:20pm Thu 31 Jul 14

sillybilly43 says...

Bobevans wrote:
PrivateTom10000001 wrote:
The cuts are very much driven from Tory HQ Westminster and are an act of ideology not of necessity.
On a Local level Labour are failing in their own backyard,they would rather spend money on senior officers pay and twinning activities rather tan on people that actually get their hands dirty and do some good in the community and if they don’t realise this they will also be punished at the elections but lets hope it wont be gifted to the pathetic Ukip lot, there are better alternatives if you wish to make a protest vote.

The flexible labour market in action. It is what has distinguished the UK economy from some of the more heavily regulated economies in the rest of Europe. Tory implementers of the reforms of the past few years say the flexible labour market is why the jobless rate is around half the average for the eurozone.
However Millions of people in poverty live in UK households where at least one person works, the Living Wage Commission has said.
It recommended that the government should pay its own workers a "living wage".
The commission is an independent body that brings together business, trade unions and civil society.
It said that "the majority of people in poverty in the UK are working".

Around half of the jobs created in the past year have been for the self-employed, with a strong suspicion that many of those running their own business are doing so involuntarily.
Many more are on zero hour contracts, so effectively they are to the most part unemployed but not counted as such.

This continues to fall on the deaf ears of the coalition government that nobody voted for!
They prefer to push on with counter productive cuts that are damaging the fabric of our society, they choose to do this not out of necessity, its an an act of ideology not of necessity and is aimed at reducing Union funding and work place representation.

True unemployment is not being calculated correctly its all insidiously manipulated and the new unemployed are the working poor. There are many who would have you believe that wages wont rise because of the influx of immigrants however statistics don’t back up any of their claims, obviously right wing parties have played up to this and many have fallen under the Ukip spell however they are just disgruntled Tories (their Leader is being favoured heavily by the Tory press,no surprise there) It would not be a surprise if the conservatives get in to power once again with the help of an offspring party of their own kind, Con/Kip Beware!
It may nave escap3ed you attention but there is a little organisation down at the bay called the Welsh Assembly. They have sole responsibility for funding LA's. It has nothing at all to do with the assembly.

The assembly will shortly be given tax raining powers so if it wishes to increase taxes in Wales to fund local services it will be free to do so , Maybe another £0.05 on income tax in Wales perhaps
MORE TAX????????YOU,RE HAVI NG A LAUGH...The WORKING part of the population have had a bellyfull of PAYING OUT, ever more of their income.... A person works from 1st Jan to the last day of APRIL, before they get to keep their earnings. You want MORE? YOU pay it!
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PrivateTom10000001[/bold] wrote: The cuts are very much driven from Tory HQ Westminster and are an act of ideology not of necessity. On a Local level Labour are failing in their own backyard,they would rather spend money on senior officers pay and twinning activities rather tan on people that actually get their hands dirty and do some good in the community and if they don’t realise this they will also be punished at the elections but lets hope it wont be gifted to the pathetic Ukip lot, there are better alternatives if you wish to make a protest vote. The flexible labour market in action. It is what has distinguished the UK economy from some of the more heavily regulated economies in the rest of Europe. Tory implementers of the reforms of the past few years say the flexible labour market is why the jobless rate is around half the average for the eurozone. However Millions of people in poverty live in UK households where at least one person works, the Living Wage Commission has said. It recommended that the government should pay its own workers a "living wage". The commission is an independent body that brings together business, trade unions and civil society. It said that "the majority of people in poverty in the UK are working". Around half of the jobs created in the past year have been for the self-employed, with a strong suspicion that many of those running their own business are doing so involuntarily. Many more are on zero hour contracts, so effectively they are to the most part unemployed but not counted as such. This continues to fall on the deaf ears of the coalition government that nobody voted for! They prefer to push on with counter productive cuts that are damaging the fabric of our society, they choose to do this not out of necessity, its an an act of ideology not of necessity and is aimed at reducing Union funding and work place representation. True unemployment is not being calculated correctly its all insidiously manipulated and the new unemployed are the working poor. There are many who would have you believe that wages wont rise because of the influx of immigrants however statistics don’t back up any of their claims, obviously right wing parties have played up to this and many have fallen under the Ukip spell however they are just disgruntled Tories (their Leader is being favoured heavily by the Tory press,no surprise there) It would not be a surprise if the conservatives get in to power once again with the help of an offspring party of their own kind, Con/Kip Beware![/p][/quote]It may nave escap3ed you attention but there is a little organisation down at the bay called the Welsh Assembly. They have sole responsibility for funding LA's. It has nothing at all to do with the assembly. The assembly will shortly be given tax raining powers so if it wishes to increase taxes in Wales to fund local services it will be free to do so , Maybe another £0.05 on income tax in Wales perhaps[/p][/quote]MORE TAX????????YOU,RE HAVI NG A LAUGH...The WORKING part of the population have had a bellyfull of PAYING OUT, ever more of their income.... A person works from 1st Jan to the last day of APRIL, before they get to keep their earnings. You want MORE? YOU pay it! sillybilly43
  • Score: -7

7:50pm Thu 31 Jul 14

PrivateTom10000001 says...

Magor wrote:
Where do you get your statistics from regarding immigrants and wages?
From my experience immigration is keeping wages down. I know from the staff profile at my place of work the EU migrants get £4 an hour less than the local full time staff and if they leave they get replaced by agency staff who in recent years are all EU migrants.
Capitalists say to the workers, "You help us increase profits and we will reward you with higher wages. That way everyone wins."
The reality, however, is almost exactly the opposite. Across the industrialised world companies are enjoying an era of extraordinarily high profit growth. But, except for those at the very top of the income scale, pay rises are barely keeping up with inflation.
Trickle down economics do not work. 'Flexible' labour markets have merely allowed employers to take more profit from productivity without passing the benefits on to workers in the form of wage increases and to move jobs anywhere in the world. It does not matter how hard you work because Cameron is hell bent on finishing Thatchers legacy of destroying workers rights. There has only ever been one way for workers to ensure that they receive a fair share of the pie and protect their jobs and that is to organise themselves into unions to bargain for better wages and conditions. Unfortunately the attack on representation in the workplace by the Tory led government is now reaping the rewards for the wealthy few.
With all the hype about migrant workers from eastern Europe, “stop those Poles from coming to Britain, our wages could be so much higher” that's why the Bulgarians and Romanians should be turned away, blah blah blah.
We never heard too many Brits shouting against migrating for work to Germany and other European countries in the 80s, I wonder why?
I agree to some extent that unskilled young people have to fight harder to get jobs but you can never get complete perfection whatever you do and a small number of people need that competition anyway to get motivated in the first place but expecting them to work for sod all and telling them lies like “the foreigners will do it for less” is no way to motivate anybody.

Robert Chote, the chairman of the Office for Budget Responsibility, said
“foreign workers were usually contributors to the economy, suggesting reducing immigration could be financially counterproductive and mean it takes longer for the Treasury to balance the books”
His comments back up the OBR's view that the economy is reliant on migrant labour and the taxes paid by immigrants to keep funding public services.
This view is shared by the director of the National Institute of Economic and Social Research and former chief economist, Jonathan Portes, who has long argued that immigration makes a net positive contribution to the economy.
[quote][p][bold]Magor[/bold] wrote: Where do you get your statistics from regarding immigrants and wages? From my experience immigration is keeping wages down. I know from the staff profile at my place of work the EU migrants get £4 an hour less than the local full time staff and if they leave they get replaced by agency staff who in recent years are all EU migrants.[/p][/quote]Capitalists say to the workers, "You help us increase profits and we will reward you with higher wages. That way everyone wins." The reality, however, is almost exactly the opposite. Across the industrialised world companies are enjoying an era of extraordinarily high profit growth. But, except for those at the very top of the income scale, pay rises are barely keeping up with inflation. Trickle down economics do not work. 'Flexible' labour markets have merely allowed employers to take more profit from productivity without passing the benefits on to workers in the form of wage increases and to move jobs anywhere in the world. It does not matter how hard you work because Cameron is hell bent on finishing Thatchers legacy of destroying workers rights. There has only ever been one way for workers to ensure that they receive a fair share of the pie and protect their jobs and that is to organise themselves into unions to bargain for better wages and conditions. Unfortunately the attack on representation in the workplace by the Tory led government is now reaping the rewards for the wealthy few. With all the hype about migrant workers from eastern Europe, “stop those Poles from coming to Britain, our wages could be so much higher” that's why the Bulgarians and Romanians should be turned away, blah blah blah. We never heard too many Brits shouting against migrating for work to Germany and other European countries in the 80s, I wonder why? I agree to some extent that unskilled young people have to fight harder to get jobs but you can never get complete perfection whatever you do and a small number of people need that competition anyway to get motivated in the first place but expecting them to work for sod all and telling them lies like “the foreigners will do it for less” is no way to motivate anybody. Robert Chote, the chairman of the Office for Budget Responsibility, said “foreign workers were usually contributors to the economy, suggesting reducing immigration could be financially counterproductive and mean it takes longer for the Treasury to balance the books” His comments back up the OBR's view that the economy is reliant on migrant labour and the taxes paid by immigrants to keep funding public services. This view is shared by the director of the National Institute of Economic and Social Research and former chief economist, Jonathan Portes, who has long argued that immigration makes a net positive contribution to the economy. PrivateTom10000001
  • Score: 7

8:14pm Thu 31 Jul 14

PrivateTom10000001 says...

PrivateTom10000001 wrote:
Magor wrote:
Where do you get your statistics from regarding immigrants and wages?
From my experience immigration is keeping wages down. I know from the staff profile at my place of work the EU migrants get £4 an hour less than the local full time staff and if they leave they get replaced by agency staff who in recent years are all EU migrants.
Capitalists say to the workers, "You help us increase profits and we will reward you with higher wages. That way everyone wins."
The reality, however, is almost exactly the opposite. Across the industrialised world companies are enjoying an era of extraordinarily high profit growth. But, except for those at the very top of the income scale, pay rises are barely keeping up with inflation.
Trickle down economics do not work. 'Flexible' labour markets have merely allowed employers to take more profit from productivity without passing the benefits on to workers in the form of wage increases and to move jobs anywhere in the world. It does not matter how hard you work because Cameron is hell bent on finishing Thatchers legacy of destroying workers rights. There has only ever been one way for workers to ensure that they receive a fair share of the pie and protect their jobs and that is to organise themselves into unions to bargain for better wages and conditions. Unfortunately the attack on representation in the workplace by the Tory led government is now reaping the rewards for the wealthy few.
With all the hype about migrant workers from eastern Europe, “stop those Poles from coming to Britain, our wages could be so much higher” that's why the Bulgarians and Romanians should be turned away, blah blah blah.
We never heard too many Brits shouting against migrating for work to Germany and other European countries in the 80s, I wonder why?
I agree to some extent that unskilled young people have to fight harder to get jobs but you can never get complete perfection whatever you do and a small number of people need that competition anyway to get motivated in the first place but expecting them to work for sod all and telling them lies like “the foreigners will do it for less” is no way to motivate anybody.

Robert Chote, the chairman of the Office for Budget Responsibility, said
“foreign workers were usually contributors to the economy, suggesting reducing immigration could be financially counterproductive and mean it takes longer for the Treasury to balance the books”
His comments back up the OBR's view that the economy is reliant on migrant labour and the taxes paid by immigrants to keep funding public services.
This view is shared by the director of the National Institute of Economic and Social Research and former chief economist, Jonathan Portes, who has long argued that immigration makes a net positive contribution to the economy.
“ the OBR's view that the economy is reliant on migrant labour and the taxes paid by immigrants to keep funding public services”

Unfortunately big corporate tax dodging to the tune of millions each year and this governments blind eye to it means there’s not much of an alternative.
"we are all in this together"
remember that one.
[quote][p][bold]PrivateTom10000001[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Magor[/bold] wrote: Where do you get your statistics from regarding immigrants and wages? From my experience immigration is keeping wages down. I know from the staff profile at my place of work the EU migrants get £4 an hour less than the local full time staff and if they leave they get replaced by agency staff who in recent years are all EU migrants.[/p][/quote]Capitalists say to the workers, "You help us increase profits and we will reward you with higher wages. That way everyone wins." The reality, however, is almost exactly the opposite. Across the industrialised world companies are enjoying an era of extraordinarily high profit growth. But, except for those at the very top of the income scale, pay rises are barely keeping up with inflation. Trickle down economics do not work. 'Flexible' labour markets have merely allowed employers to take more profit from productivity without passing the benefits on to workers in the form of wage increases and to move jobs anywhere in the world. It does not matter how hard you work because Cameron is hell bent on finishing Thatchers legacy of destroying workers rights. There has only ever been one way for workers to ensure that they receive a fair share of the pie and protect their jobs and that is to organise themselves into unions to bargain for better wages and conditions. Unfortunately the attack on representation in the workplace by the Tory led government is now reaping the rewards for the wealthy few. With all the hype about migrant workers from eastern Europe, “stop those Poles from coming to Britain, our wages could be so much higher” that's why the Bulgarians and Romanians should be turned away, blah blah blah. We never heard too many Brits shouting against migrating for work to Germany and other European countries in the 80s, I wonder why? I agree to some extent that unskilled young people have to fight harder to get jobs but you can never get complete perfection whatever you do and a small number of people need that competition anyway to get motivated in the first place but expecting them to work for sod all and telling them lies like “the foreigners will do it for less” is no way to motivate anybody. Robert Chote, the chairman of the Office for Budget Responsibility, said “foreign workers were usually contributors to the economy, suggesting reducing immigration could be financially counterproductive and mean it takes longer for the Treasury to balance the books” His comments back up the OBR's view that the economy is reliant on migrant labour and the taxes paid by immigrants to keep funding public services. This view is shared by the director of the National Institute of Economic and Social Research and former chief economist, Jonathan Portes, who has long argued that immigration makes a net positive contribution to the economy.[/p][/quote]“ the OBR's view that the economy is reliant on migrant labour and the taxes paid by immigrants to keep funding public services” Unfortunately big corporate tax dodging to the tune of millions each year and this governments blind eye to it means there’s not much of an alternative. "we are all in this together" remember that one. PrivateTom10000001
  • Score: 6

12:04am Fri 1 Aug 14

gingertom says...

Caerphilly cbc had a dinner last Saturday to celebrate the twinning of pizak then they got the cheek to threaten to close leisure centres.
Caerphilly cbc had a dinner last Saturday to celebrate the twinning of pizak then they got the cheek to threaten to close leisure centres. gingertom
  • Score: 4

7:13am Fri 1 Aug 14

Stevenboy says...

Bobevans wrote:
PrivateTom10000001 wrote:
The cuts are very much driven from Tory HQ Westminster and are an act of ideology not of necessity.
On a Local level Labour are failing in their own backyard,they would rather spend money on senior officers pay and twinning activities rather tan on people that actually get their hands dirty and do some good in the community and if they don’t realise this they will also be punished at the elections but lets hope it wont be gifted to the pathetic Ukip lot, there are better alternatives if you wish to make a protest vote.

The flexible labour market in action. It is what has distinguished the UK economy from some of the more heavily regulated economies in the rest of Europe. Tory implementers of the reforms of the past few years say the flexible labour market is why the jobless rate is around half the average for the eurozone.
However Millions of people in poverty live in UK households where at least one person works, the Living Wage Commission has said.
It recommended that the government should pay its own workers a "living wage".
The commission is an independent body that brings together business, trade unions and civil society.
It said that "the majority of people in poverty in the UK are working".

Around half of the jobs created in the past year have been for the self-employed, with a strong suspicion that many of those running their own business are doing so involuntarily.
Many more are on zero hour contracts, so effectively they are to the most part unemployed but not counted as such.

This continues to fall on the deaf ears of the coalition government that nobody voted for!
They prefer to push on with counter productive cuts that are damaging the fabric of our society, they choose to do this not out of necessity, its an an act of ideology not of necessity and is aimed at reducing Union funding and work place representation.

True unemployment is not being calculated correctly its all insidiously manipulated and the new unemployed are the working poor. There are many who would have you believe that wages wont rise because of the influx of immigrants however statistics don’t back up any of their claims, obviously right wing parties have played up to this and many have fallen under the Ukip spell however they are just disgruntled Tories (their Leader is being favoured heavily by the Tory press,no surprise there) It would not be a surprise if the conservatives get in to power once again with the help of an offspring party of their own kind, Con/Kip Beware!
It may nave escap3ed you attention but there is a little organisation down at the bay called the Welsh Assembly. They have sole responsibility for funding LA's. It has nothing at all to do with the assembly.

The assembly will shortly be given tax raining powers so if it wishes to increase taxes in Wales to fund local services it will be free to do so , Maybe another £0.05 on income tax in Wales perhaps
What happens though when those who'd prefer not to pay yet more tax go and live and work in England? I already pay the top rate of 45%. Do you seriously think I won't take an address in Bristol? So instead of getting nearly half of what I earn now Wales will get nothing. How big an own goal do you want?
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PrivateTom10000001[/bold] wrote: The cuts are very much driven from Tory HQ Westminster and are an act of ideology not of necessity. On a Local level Labour are failing in their own backyard,they would rather spend money on senior officers pay and twinning activities rather tan on people that actually get their hands dirty and do some good in the community and if they don’t realise this they will also be punished at the elections but lets hope it wont be gifted to the pathetic Ukip lot, there are better alternatives if you wish to make a protest vote. The flexible labour market in action. It is what has distinguished the UK economy from some of the more heavily regulated economies in the rest of Europe. Tory implementers of the reforms of the past few years say the flexible labour market is why the jobless rate is around half the average for the eurozone. However Millions of people in poverty live in UK households where at least one person works, the Living Wage Commission has said. It recommended that the government should pay its own workers a "living wage". The commission is an independent body that brings together business, trade unions and civil society. It said that "the majority of people in poverty in the UK are working". Around half of the jobs created in the past year have been for the self-employed, with a strong suspicion that many of those running their own business are doing so involuntarily. Many more are on zero hour contracts, so effectively they are to the most part unemployed but not counted as such. This continues to fall on the deaf ears of the coalition government that nobody voted for! They prefer to push on with counter productive cuts that are damaging the fabric of our society, they choose to do this not out of necessity, its an an act of ideology not of necessity and is aimed at reducing Union funding and work place representation. True unemployment is not being calculated correctly its all insidiously manipulated and the new unemployed are the working poor. There are many who would have you believe that wages wont rise because of the influx of immigrants however statistics don’t back up any of their claims, obviously right wing parties have played up to this and many have fallen under the Ukip spell however they are just disgruntled Tories (their Leader is being favoured heavily by the Tory press,no surprise there) It would not be a surprise if the conservatives get in to power once again with the help of an offspring party of their own kind, Con/Kip Beware![/p][/quote]It may nave escap3ed you attention but there is a little organisation down at the bay called the Welsh Assembly. They have sole responsibility for funding LA's. It has nothing at all to do with the assembly. The assembly will shortly be given tax raining powers so if it wishes to increase taxes in Wales to fund local services it will be free to do so , Maybe another £0.05 on income tax in Wales perhaps[/p][/quote]What happens though when those who'd prefer not to pay yet more tax go and live and work in England? I already pay the top rate of 45%. Do you seriously think I won't take an address in Bristol? So instead of getting nearly half of what I earn now Wales will get nothing. How big an own goal do you want? Stevenboy
  • Score: 1

5:52pm Sun 3 Aug 14

rockygr81 says...

It's just been announced that Blaenau Gwent has the 2nd highest redundancy payout total in the whole of Wales, how many of these redundancies have been top ranking officials within the organisation, very few I bet. All these top council employees who earn a **** site more than your average worker, how many of these have fallen on their swords and done the authority a favour and save money. No what do the Council do, they offer the Councillors a pay rise, they get in an outside organisation in to make the decisions for them at a huge cost to the council budget, obviously a wise move so all these well paid fat cats keep their wages and jobs and the answer is to cut services. Instead of cutting important services the borough relies on, how about getting rid of these free loading council bosses instead. Just take the Cctv system that was transferred to Newport, the council are paying Newport Council to run the cameras but there are no cameras to run, due to the inept bosses they cannot get them to work, a valuable crime and prevention tool that no longer works and how much have the council wasted in moving the system to Newport, a **** site more than the savings they wanted to make, surely it's about time the lid is lifted on the complete inept bosses of these councils who are too busy feathering their own nests to care about the public they are suppose to represent.
It's just been announced that Blaenau Gwent has the 2nd highest redundancy payout total in the whole of Wales, how many of these redundancies have been top ranking officials within the organisation, very few I bet. All these top council employees who earn a **** site more than your average worker, how many of these have fallen on their swords and done the authority a favour and save money. No what do the Council do, they offer the Councillors a pay rise, they get in an outside organisation in to make the decisions for them at a huge cost to the council budget, obviously a wise move so all these well paid fat cats keep their wages and jobs and the answer is to cut services. Instead of cutting important services the borough relies on, how about getting rid of these free loading council bosses instead. Just take the Cctv system that was transferred to Newport, the council are paying Newport Council to run the cameras but there are no cameras to run, due to the inept bosses they cannot get them to work, a valuable crime and prevention tool that no longer works and how much have the council wasted in moving the system to Newport, a **** site more than the savings they wanted to make, surely it's about time the lid is lifted on the complete inept bosses of these councils who are too busy feathering their own nests to care about the public they are suppose to represent. rockygr81
  • Score: 0

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